Comments on: Late Nite FDL: What the Hell is Wrong With These People? http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:41:52 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: politicalpartypoop.com - Politics and other stuff in life that stinks » Idiot Liberals and the Classic Race Card Rant http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-246554 politicalpartypoop.com - Politics and other stuff in life that stinks » Idiot Liberals and the Classic Race Card Rant Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:40:33 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-246554 <p>[…] As we were discussing last night, since Ned Lamont won the Connecticut Senate primary, the intervening six days have seen the Republican party going out of its way to show its true colors with regards to its (very) thinly veiled racist agenda and its intolerance toward people of color and white people who support them.  Of course, it goes way beyond that, but that’s as good a place to start as any. […]</p> […] As we were discussing last night, since Ned Lamont won the Connecticut Senate primary, the intervening six days have seen the Republican party going out of its way to show its true colors with regards to its (very) thinly veiled racist agenda and its intolerance toward people of color and white people who support them.  Of course, it goes way beyond that, but that’s as good a place to start as any. […]

]]> By: Rob http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-246360 Rob Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:43:14 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-246360 <p>I am such a doofus … please dont feed me!</p> I am such a doofus … please dont feed me!

]]> By: Brian Boru http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-245938 Brian Boru Wed, 16 Aug 2006 03:38:38 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-245938 <p>The bottom line is that everyone in the administration and their enablers in the media is scared shitless that the dems will take over congress and start holding hearings with subpoena power.</p> The bottom line is that everyone in the administration and their enablers in the media is scared shitless that the dems will take over congress and start holding hearings with subpoena power.

]]> By: d http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-245613 d Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:09:30 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-245613 <p>I think from the beginning the folks running things wanted to make sure the masses had as little to do with electing people as possible. I suggest reading the book 55 men by Fred Rodell if you want to find out exactly what the framers thought about the average citizen electing their leaders. I think what has happened is that the usual filtering of candidates by both sides (think Howard Dean) has been seriously threatened by people power politics. The swiftness in which we can communicate now is something that can’t be controlled. We all talk now. There are so many watchdogs now that nonsense gets debunked in a matter of minutes. I think this is why the establishment is becoming unhinged.They can’t funnel someone into office anymore. Now if we can only get to the point where you don’t have to be a millionaire to run for office we’ll be cooking. I think we’re right in the middle of something big as far as a shift in how politics work. Dinosaurs like Lieberman do not understand what is taking place. The new generation of politicians will or they will be cast out the same exact way. Just my take.</p> I think from the beginning the folks running things wanted to make sure the masses had as little to do with electing people as possible. I suggest reading the book 55 men by Fred Rodell if you want to find out exactly what the framers thought about the average citizen electing their leaders. I think what has happened is that the usual filtering of candidates by both sides (think Howard Dean) has been seriously threatened by people power politics. The swiftness in which we can communicate now is something that can’t be controlled. We all talk now. There are so many watchdogs now that nonsense gets debunked in a matter of minutes. I think this is why the establishment is becoming unhinged.They can’t funnel someone into office anymore. Now if we can only get to the point where you don’t have to be a millionaire to run for office we’ll be cooking. I think we’re right in the middle of something big as far as a shift in how politics work. Dinosaurs like Lieberman do not understand what is taking place. The new generation of politicians will or they will be cast out the same exact way. Just my take.

]]> By: rael http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-245230 rael Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:20:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-245230 <p>I grew up in Fairfield County, CT, and much of my family still lives there. While I claim no authority, I can maybe provide a tad’s worth of insight to why the full-throated wingnut panic attack at Lamont’s victory. The “brie-eating Volvo-driving latte-sipping liberal elites” of Connecticut’s Gold Coast who backed Lamont are traditionally reliable fiscal conservatives who vote to keep as much of their wealth in their pockets as possible. Most days that means the GOP. What’s got the GOP’s panties in a twist is their defection over Iraq. My father and mother, for example, actually switched their party affiliation registration from Republican to Independent for the express purpose of voting for Lamont. To the Ken Melmans of the world, that’s some deeply scary shit.</p> I grew up in Fairfield County, CT, and much of my family still lives there. While I claim no authority, I can maybe provide a tad’s worth of insight to why the full-throated wingnut panic attack at Lamont’s victory. The “brie-eating Volvo-driving latte-sipping liberal elites” of Connecticut’s Gold Coast who backed Lamont are traditionally reliable fiscal conservatives who vote to keep as much of their wealth in their pockets as possible. Most days that means the GOP. What’s got the GOP’s panties in a twist is their defection over Iraq. My father and mother, for example, actually switched their party affiliation registration from Republican to Independent for the express purpose of voting for Lamont. To the Ken Melmans of the world, that’s some deeply scary shit.

]]> By: Delurker http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-245135 Delurker Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:29:36 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-245135 <p>Using Skippy’s list, I called the 800 Lexus phone number (one of HNN anchor Chuck Roberts’s sponsors)and calmly made the case that Lamont was democratically elected, a self-made businessman, not an inflammatory enemy of the people. The person I called seemed impressed with my argument and said she would flag my response for senior management. Bottom line, she discovered I owned a Lexus and didn’t want to offend the base. Thanks for the call to action.</p> Using Skippy’s list, I called the 800 Lexus phone number (one of HNN anchor Chuck Roberts’s sponsors)and calmly made the case that Lamont was democratically elected, a self-made businessman, not an inflammatory enemy of the people. The person I called seemed impressed with my argument and said she would flag my response for senior management. Bottom line, she discovered I owned a Lexus and didn’t want to offend the base. Thanks for the call to action.

]]> By: “Fair and Balanced” Dave http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-244992 “Fair and Balanced” Dave Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:36:36 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-244992 <blockquote><p>And by the way — just who is Sharpton supposed to “apologize” to for being misled by a client?</p></blockquote> <p>Sharpton, along with lawyers Alton Maddox Jr and C. Vernon Mason, made groundless accusations against a local prosecuter named Steven Pagones alleging that he participated in the kidnapping and rape of Tawana Brawley. When Brawley’s whole fabricated story broke down, Pagones <a href="http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/13/brawley.verdict.02/">successfully sued Sharpton</a>. Mason and Maddox were both disbarred.</p> <blockquote><p>That is the real kicker — that somehow black people always owe white folk “apologies” for mistakes.</p></blockquote> <p>Accusing someone of being a rapist without a shred of evidence is much more than just a “mistake”–it’s slander. </p> <p>Nowhere in my statement did I state or even imply that “somehow black people always owe white folk ‘apologies’ for mistakes”. One of the things that angers me the most about the Bushites is their refusal to admit their mistakes–even when those mistakes have resulted in more than 2,600 service men and women being needlessly killed in Iraq or thousands left stranded in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Should Al Sharpton be held to a lower moral standard than George W. Bush or Dick Cheney?</p> <blockquote><p>I don’t see the same concern about ponying up apologies from white people who make mistakes — like where is the big outcry for a Ken Star “apology?” Or the Espy prosecutor or the Cicneros prosecutor to name a few. Or Yoo? or Olsen</p></blockquote> <p>Here I agree with you 100 percent. Ken Starr is nothing but a self-righteous, hypocritical political hatchetman. Like the whole Whitewater/Monicagate investigation, the investigations against Mike Espy and Henry Cisneros were nothing but political witchhunts.</p>

And by the way — just who is Sharpton supposed to “apologize” to for being misled by a client?

Sharpton, along with lawyers Alton Maddox Jr and C. Vernon Mason, made groundless accusations against a local prosecuter named Steven Pagones alleging that he participated in the kidnapping and rape of Tawana Brawley. When Brawley’s whole fabricated story broke down, Pagones successfully sued Sharpton. Mason and Maddox were both disbarred.

That is the real kicker — that somehow black people always owe white folk “apologies” for mistakes.

Accusing someone of being a rapist without a shred of evidence is much more than just a “mistake”–it’s slander.

Nowhere in my statement did I state or even imply that “somehow black people always owe white folk ‘apologies’ for mistakes”. One of the things that angers me the most about the Bushites is their refusal to admit their mistakes–even when those mistakes have resulted in more than 2,600 service men and women being needlessly killed in Iraq or thousands left stranded in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Should Al Sharpton be held to a lower moral standard than George W. Bush or Dick Cheney?

I don’t see the same concern about ponying up apologies from white people who make mistakes — like where is the big outcry for a Ken Star “apology?” Or the Espy prosecutor or the Cicneros prosecutor to name a few. Or Yoo? or Olsen

Here I agree with you 100 percent. Ken Starr is nothing but a self-righteous, hypocritical political hatchetman. Like the whole Whitewater/Monicagate investigation, the investigations against Mike Espy and Henry Cisneros were nothing but political witchhunts.

]]> By: 4jkb4ia http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-244968 4jkb4ia Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:13:13 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-244968 <p>I did not read all the comments. But any conservative publication can discredit Al Sharpton by saying that he is only out for Al Sharpton. They have done it with Jesse Jackson and the leaders of the NAACP. Al Sharpton <i>ran for president</i> in order not to be a chauffeur. The image of Al Sharpton was probably too inflammatory to their audience not to use it in some form to discredit Lamont, although I was not worried about it because it was unquestionable evidence that the Lieberman campaign blabbing about Lamont being a racist was unfounded.</p> I did not read all the comments. But any conservative publication can discredit Al Sharpton by saying that he is only out for Al Sharpton. They have done it with Jesse Jackson and the leaders of the NAACP. Al Sharpton ran for president in order not to be a chauffeur. The image of Al Sharpton was probably too inflammatory to their audience not to use it in some form to discredit Lamont, although I was not worried about it because it was unquestionable evidence that the Lieberman campaign blabbing about Lamont being a racist was unfounded.

]]> By: Sadly, No! » Kibbles & Bits http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-244943 Sadly, No! » Kibbles & Bits Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:55:31 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-244943 <p>[…] Oh, I kid, I kid. Of course the media isn’t going to do anything. But about that link, and TRex’s aha at the Weekly Standard cover within, I wonder what The Marble Douchebag will think? Just a couple of weeks ago, bitterly mourned that Jane had gotten away with it! It being, not being a racist by putting Lieberman in blackface! Bosh, egads, flimshaw! argues Tacky, there is a bias at work here forsooth when Gilliard and Jane can do what they did and get away with not being racists but my dear friend Box Turtle Ben is destroyed for taking the J. Edgar Hoover/WFB line on Dr. King! […]</p> […] Oh, I kid, I kid. Of course the media isn’t going to do anything. But about that link, and TRex’s aha at the Weekly Standard cover within, I wonder what The Marble Douchebag will think? Just a couple of weeks ago, bitterly mourned that Jane had gotten away with it! It being, not being a racist by putting Lieberman in blackface! Bosh, egads, flimshaw! argues Tacky, there is a bias at work here forsooth when Gilliard and Jane can do what they did and get away with not being racists but my dear friend Box Turtle Ben is destroyed for taking the J. Edgar Hoover/WFB line on Dr. King! […]

]]> By: Emboldened » Blog Archive » The New Moral Center http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-244917 Emboldened » Blog Archive » The New Moral Center Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:36:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/08/14/late-nite-fdl-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-these-people/#comment-244917 <p>[…] TRex captures the illusory fear that the “Lieberman is the moral center” crowd is pushing. From last night’s Late Nite FDL: Oh, but of course, if you watch the news, you know it’s just not that simple. The Democratic party has “taken A HARD LEFT TURN in Connecticut” by daring to assert that perhaps a Democratic senator who spends his legislative life making it easier for a corrupt administration to illegally invade other sovereign nations is maybe not what they had in mind when they voted Democrat. GOD FORBID! KATIE BAR THE DOOR! THOSE WILD EYED LIBERALS ACTUALLY VOTED FOR THE CANDIDATE WHO REPRESENTS THEIR INTERESTS!! IT’S TIME TO DECLARE A NATIONAL FUCKING EMERGENCY!! […]</p> […] TRex captures the illusory fear that the “Lieberman is the moral center” crowd is pushing. From last night’s Late Nite FDL: Oh, but of course, if you watch the news, you know it’s just not that simple. The Democratic party has “taken A HARD LEFT TURN in Connecticut” by daring to assert that perhaps a Democratic senator who spends his legislative life making it easier for a corrupt administration to illegally invade other sovereign nations is maybe not what they had in mind when they voted Democrat. GOD FORBID! KATIE BAR THE DOOR! THOSE WILD EYED LIBERALS ACTUALLY VOTED FOR THE CANDIDATE WHO REPRESENTS THEIR INTERESTS!! IT’S TIME TO DECLARE A NATIONAL FUCKING EMERGENCY!! […]

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