Webb!

Uh, guess we’re here alone, Mary. How ya doin’?

Me first?

Webb!

I kind of wish I could head back to Richmond for a weekend and knock on doors for Webb.

GINTER PARK FOR WEBB!!

Oh, didn’t see you two. Hello.

Wow! It just gets worse and worse.

I wasn’t sure how big an issue this was, but if his mother is Tunisian then he knew.

I hope the Left will jump on this and pump it ad finitum like the right does for any little error.

But I don’t think it is little, given this new piece of info. How offensive!

Looks like these fellas that make a living with their lips would be able to use them better than this. It’s not like he didn’t know he was being filmed, since the guy he was calling names was holding the camera. Is stupid racist a redundancy?

Head to the Frameshop, gang, Feldman has this covered.

Francophones, please confirm for the rest of the FirePups that le mot macaque sounds phonetically like macaca when articulated en francaise.

I’d certainly pronounce it that way.

It should be noted that S.R. Sidarth’s haircut looks a lot like George Felix Allen Junior’s.

Heyya Scarecrow.

Here’s a theme song for Webb.

Stevie Wonder – You Haven’t Done Nothing. Play it with clips of Delay, Abramoff, Bin Laden at Large, headlines showing attempts to cut explosive detection equipment funding, the loss of VA data, pictures of the national debt tote board, etc.

“Stevie Wonder You Haven’t Done Nothin’ lyrics“

We are amazed but not amused
By all the things you say that you’ll do
Though much concerned but not involved
With decisions that are made by you

But we are sick and tired of hearing your song
Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong
‘Cause if you really want to hear our views
“You haven’t done nothing”!

It’s not too cool to be ridiculed
But you brought this upon yourself
The world is tired of pacifiers
We want the truth and nothing else

And we are sick and tired of hearing your song
Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong
‘Cause if you really want to hear our views
“You haven’t done nothing”!

[chorus stuff]

We would not care to wake up to the nightmare
That’s becoming real life
But when mislead who knows a person’s mind
Can turn as cold as ice un hum

Why do you keep on making us hear your song
Telling us how you are changing right from wrong
‘Cause if you really want to hear our views
“You haven’t done nothing”!
Yeah

Jane: Thanks for the attribution! I am flattered.

Well Jane, EVENTUALLY they ALL get caught…..Anyone who didn’t know Allen wasn’t a bigot and troll is blind. He is disgusting and can’t string 2 words together to make a coherant sentence.

Being a northerner, I don’t know how this is going to play in VA. From where I sit it is dispicable. Will the bigot party in VA be enough to get him elected?

Anyone out there who knows?

EPU’ed — I bet “macaca” is a nasty conflation of “macaque” (a type of monkey) and “caca” (a word for shit) — a thoroughly racist neologism …

OT: but wow! Daily Show Segment Apologies if it’s been discussed.

SENATOR WEBB!

SENATOR LAMONT!

SENATOR TESTER!

Sounds like George Allen’s “Dean Scream” moment is about to erupt onto the world stage.

/em opens a bag of chips

The netroots have to hit this thing hard. Very, very rarely will a United States Senator make a recorded statement like this (”macaca”) that so very strongly implies his racist thoughts while saying it. There really is no explanation other than bigotry. What else could he have been thinking other than: “monkey,” North African French Colonialist for “N****r,” or “poo skinned”? Simply put, Not fit to be Senator. Our job is to let Virginia voters know about it; their duty is to vote.

He’s not wearing a mohawk, but he sure is handsome. But 20? Ye gods. Too young.

Franco @ 13

Well Jane, EVENTUALLY they ALL get caught…..Anyone who didn’t know Allen wasn’t a bigot and troll is blind. He is disgusting and can’t string 2 words together to make a coherant sentence.

That’s disgusting. You used a double negative. Word!

Rayne @
9

Francophones, please confirm for the rest of the FirePups that le mot macaque sounds phonetically like macaca when articulated en francaise.

I’d certainly pronounce it that way.

en francais macaque = “mah – kawk” as spelled (my phonetics)

hi ya OFG — heard you were on the road again, but there was some mixup?

Jane — as someone else noted, things like this are planned. This kid had been following the campaign and they knew him.

They may even want the publicity, which shows how sick it is.

What Virginia needs is what Ronald Reagan used to call “a bunch of outside agitators.” That’s who he blamed for the Berkeley Free Speech Movement, and when he cracked down on the UC President later, every Republican (and a few Dems too) in California cheered. I’d say Va is about where California was back then.

Jane, thanks for linking to this.

My guess is that Charlie Cook will be moving Allen from “likely Republican” to “toss up” pretty soon….

I wonder if George Felix Allen’s rabid followers know his mother was not only Jewish but French !

EPU’d, John Casper says:
August 14th, 2006 at 6:01 pm *

OfT: Some background on “monkey” as it may relate to George Allen’s “macaca” remark.
Billy Packer
“In 1996, during an on-air broadcast of a game between Georgetown and Villanova, Packer described the Hoyas star guard Allen Iverson as a “tough monkey.” Packer later apologized, insisting he was actually trying to praise Iverson’s relentless play….
More on Billy Packer:
“Packer was once again the center of controversy in 2000, when he publicly apologized to two Duke University students for allegedly sexist comments he made before a men’s basketball game in Cameron Indoor Stadium. According to published reports, when the students asked Packer to show his press pass, he responded, “Since when do we let women control who gets into a men’s basketball game? Why don’t you go find a women’s game to let people into?” Packer apologized after the comments were published in Duke University’s student-run newspaper.”
Basketball afficiandos will be familiar with Packer’s frequent references to Adolph “The Baron” Rupp, Pat Riley’s (Yes, former Laker, now Miami Heat coach) legendary college coach at Kentucky. Packer, however, continuously refuses to mention that Rupp was a die hard advocate of segregation, who refused to recruit non-white players to the University of Kentucky, because in his opinion, they weren’t smart enough.

This Felix Allen incident reminds me in a way of when Richard Nixon’s Secretary of Agriculture, Earl Butz, told a racist joke to a reporter he was sitting next to on a plane, not realizing how he would look when the reporter printed it. That’s the way they think, that’s the way they talk among themselves, and sometimes they just forget that not everyone will think it’s funny.

Long have the rumors of Allen’s racism (and drinking issues) been floating around. Sometimes, it takes an event like this to get people to see that trashing him is not disloyal, rather it is the only way to stop a nut. Certainly, as home-town quarterback, he must have bullied some folks who would like a crack at him now? Are there any firepups in ol’ Virginie up to the challenge?

He had to know what it meant. It appears to be an obscure word, and you just don’t randomly spit a obscure word out in conversation.

Also, in the context of what he was doing, it’s clear to me he meant it an insult.

For a change of pace, LJ has some nice snark up about the Israel-Lebanon war:

http://noquarter.typepad.com/m….._degr.html

Junior and 0-lmert don’t come off so well.

Unfortunately, “our” “leaders” prolly won’t learn anything from it. Again.

Mary for now — Back when I lived in Richmond, Ginter Park folks were fairly liberal, and it was a lovely place. Twenty-five years later, I am wondering how Allen’s hideous remarks will fly there (the rest of the area, with the exception of VCU, was pretty much in line with Allen, unfortunately). We used to joke (?) that Richmond would be a lovely place (it really is) if 90% of the white population could just be deposited in the North Atlantic and then you could start over.

I was naive then, though — and not fully aware of just how racist the “integrated” North really was.

God, I hope things are different down there now.

Moo-caca is an old indian word for “don’t step in it”.

John Casper @ 27

EPU’d, John Casper says:
August 14th, 2006 at 6:01 pm *

OfT: Some background on “monkey” as it may relate to George Allen’s “macaca” remark.
Billy Packer
“In 1996, during an on-air broadcast of a game between Georgetown and Villanova, Packer described the Hoyas star guard Allen Iverson as a “tough monkey.” Packer later apologized, insisting he was actually trying to praise Iverson’s relentless play….
More on Billy Packer:
“Packer was once again the center of controversy in 2000, when he publicly apologized to two Duke University students for allegedly sexist comments he made before a men’s basketball game in Cameron Indoor Stadium. According to published reports, when the students asked Packer to show his press pass, he responded, “Since when do we let women control who gets into a men’s basketball game? Why don’t you go find a women’s game to let people into?” Packer apologized after the comments were published in Duke University’s student-run newspaper.”
Basketball afficiandos will be familiar with Packer’s frequent references to Adolph “The Baron” Rupp, Pat Riley’s (Yes, former Laker, now Miami Heat coach) legendary college coach at Kentucky. Packer, however, continuously refuses to mention that Rupp was a die hard advocate of segregation, who refused to recruit non-white players to the University of Kentucky, because in his opinion, they weren’t smart enough.

Also EPU’d ; )

And this from Howard Cosell…

“Look at that little monkey run.”
– On Washington Redskins wide receiver Alvin Garrett.

I saw that game on Monday Night Football and knew his career was over as soon as he said it.

TRex- Too young? Oh, I may know what you mean, but maybe I don’t. But, in my various touchdowns at 3 Lamont HQs, THEY WERE ALL YOUNG! The kids were driving the Lamont machine, and I love them for it. And, same to those engaged in other campaigns. I celebrate this. I’ve seen too many rich college brats who don’t know up from down in my venue. To see those who aren’t, who really know what’s up is such a breath of fresh air.

I guess George Felix slips back into his mother tongue when he’s plastered. His audience would not have understood the word — it would be unAmerican to speak French — but they would certainly have understood “Welcome to America.” Do white Virginia Republicans really think all brown people are recent immigrants? And do they know about George Felix’s Tunisian connection?

This thought just occured to me: If Mr. Sidarth has been trailing Allen with a camera for some time, then I will bet dollars to doughnuts that Allen has backgrounded the young man and actually knew his name, even though he said, “whatever his name is.”

Just speculating.

OT — Give’em Hell Harry’s site has a letter to send to Cheney complaining about his Ned comments and politicizing terror. Not sure this link will work:

http://www.giveemhellharry.com…..liticizing

republicans appeal to frightened white folks

in saying that word, allen is trying to identify with frightened white folks despite his own cosmopolitan heritage

frightened white folks of mixed heritage [we all come out of africa] are always trying to make themselves seem lily white by insulting those whose skin is just dark enough to make frightened white folks nervous lest their own appearance attract notice

americans’ obsession with skin color & with other signs of difference is extreme & is actually most vicious where the signs of difference seem slightest

it has something to do with our highly visual culture, with our being [i think] the first country founded on the written word

Valley Girl, our TRex is an elitist insurgent raptor. He has very discerning tastes :)

Ilson@26 good point a North African Jew
With a Jewish mother; Allen is Jewish and he got that African bit going also. That is really going to be a big hit with the South Virginia Jesus Crackers.( If this post is out of bounds, mod please remove)

Jane, for me there’s a blank where the video should be.

John Casper – they are still proud of Rupp in KY (Rupp Arena), although they are just as obsessed by basketball (it’s not just a Hoosier thing) and would never let a little thing like racial prejudice stand in the way of a winning team.

I was in Lexington when the Louisville reporter broke stories on the bribes and sent the UK team into a trouble tailspin. You couldn’t drive anywhere without seeing a bumpersticker wanting the death penalty for the reporter.

On a brighter note – we are making Executive Immunity law here in KY. Apparently, Fletcher can’t be tried while he’s in office. OTOH, the indictments don’t have to be dismissed and he CAN be tried once he’s out of office.

Using the top Exec Office to break the law and pardon you pals – it must be the newest Republican Fraternity version of hazing.

I could dismiss the “Welcome to America” remark as a proximation to our rying to welcome wingnuts to the “reality based community.”

I could dismiss it if I were feeling charitable. I am not. The charges stand. Two counts of racism for the wingnut.

Even if he did say “mohawk” instead of “macaque,” it’s just as bad. You know: “Mohawk” and “Indian?”

I grew up in Richmond and live in the Northern Virginia area. Virginia is much, much more progressive today than its 1970’s reputation, even in the rural areas (albeit certainly not “liberal”). We may pride ourselves on our southern heritage, but most despise bigots as much as the next person. Don’t for a second think that informed Virginians won’t vote Allen out based on this.

Har har har. Jess’ an ol’ boy havin’ fun. The sound quality was excelllent, Allen said it twice very clearly. The word he said was MACACA (twice, or maybe three times), it wasn’t Mohawk (it warn’t that word twice, or maybe three times). I think they knew what it meant, and think they arrogantly or stupidly think they can weasle out of it with total bogus loser assiine, truly moronic and transparently 1000% obvious from-the-word-go false story. Allen sure didn’t say Mohwak (twice or maybe three times). Maybe the next bogus lie… er, line will be that the Webb guy was being provocative -you know, the only guy there who didn’t look like a native Virginian. Fact that he was… well, a native Virginian, it’s done now and we should all just get over it. Any way, the Webb guy’s a Democrat, so not a real US type person, let alone real Virginian. Want to bet that is the next line if the ‘all in fun, oopsie boogoo, Allen sure is a card so get over it’ approach don’t work?

I am looking forward to Webb’s response. I imagine it will become clear that Webb is no effete Hollywood milquetoast who doesn’t know Virginian.

phonetically, it is makaka ma ka ka however you spell it, he seems to have learned the slur early on as he does say it identically both times

“Macaca”. A thoroughly dislikable term of degradation in the vein of Goy and Kike. Used by those possessed of narrow intelligence.

Sorry Oilfieldguy…I will NOT never ever do it never ever not again!

But, in my various touchdowns at 3 Lamont HQs, THEY WERE ALL YOUNG!

Hmmmmmm.

Hello Valley Girl!! :~)

I saw the clip on C&L. I agree that it is obvious from the clip that he was insulting this young man.

I agree he either planned it or was drunk.

Or 3rd option…this word from his childhood just came out as it always did in conversation. Didn’t give it another thought because he was socialized to believe that this is ok. Really horrid in any scenario. Down with Allen!

BTW there are some really cool people out there from India FWIW. Also the spicy food is the bomb. My favorite Indian restaurant in NO is gone after the storm. That is one thing I really miss. Boo hoo.

to some crackers in Virginia, the fact that George Felix Allen’s mother was from Tunisia meant she piloted planes into the Trade Center … (assuming crackers knew where the hell Tunisia was)

if not posted yet, here is link to youtube version via Dailykos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..192310/391

orangejumpsuit @ 38

This thought just occured to me: If Mr. Sidarth has been trailing Allen with a camera for some time, then I will bet dollars to doughnuts that Allen has backgrounded the young man and actually knew his name, even though he said, “whatever his name is.”

Just speculating.

Maybe. I’m sure his staff knows, but Allen has a reputation for being dumb as a post, so he may well have never listened when they told him.

*ilson — that Bernie linky has closed access.

LindyH @ 42

Jane, for me there’s a blank where the video should be.

Me too.

Mary4N

I still don’t get the executive pardon thing in Kentucky — can the previously indicted be re-indicted? Or are they just immune while the Gov. remains?

Also, I am glad a Governor cannot pardon him/herself. That is simply too Soviet.

actually George Felix Allen thought he was being clever and using an obscure childhood racist phrase that nobody would ever pick up on in that crowd …

BarbaraB @ 58

LindyH @ 42

Jane, for me there’s a blank where the video should be.

Me too.

for George Allen there’s a blank spot between his ears.

DC — I hoppe so! It was the only part of my Southern experience that I disliked and, actually, I miss the rest of it, a lot. Still have some very good friends, still do a LOT of Southern cooking, and still miss the rhododendrons, azaleas, Burford hollies, camellias, etc. that just WILL not grow here — and just the feel of the countryside. Oh, and did I mention manners? I am glad you are telling me this, because there was some pretty overt racism back then, right down to the newspaper editorials.

*ilson46201 @ 60

actually George Felix Allen thought he was being clever and using an obscure childhood racist phrase that nobody would ever pick up on in that crowd …

yeah, why didn’t he just throw in a gratuitous “Dred Scott” reference?

dannyboy- we may have been there at about the same time. Mid eighties for me. I loved Ginter Park. I have to say, even as redneck as my background in IN and KY has been, I never heard the “N” word used by people who seemed like they were going to be sweet little old folks until I moved to Richmond.

Lieberman attacks Bernie Sanders

Franco @ 52

Sorry Oilfieldguy…I will NOT never ever do it never ever not again!

An actual comment directed at me after delivering a 16′ wide 125,000 lb gas compressor into the hills of W. Virginia.

“Ain’t nobody never hauled nuthin’ up here ‘at big afore.”

That, my friends, is a QUADRUPLE negative. He was happy cause he made twenny dollars off’n my fittin’ that compressor up there.

God I love them people.

DC — hope you’re right. The Bushies have spent the last five years training their supporters to think badly of all kinds of folks, and lumping them together under one convenient image. It’s not about Virginia; it’s everywhere.

If Allen wanted to be friendly-like, he could have asked the young man’s name, and used that. He was trying to intimidate the Webb guy, and trying to either ridicule him, paint Webb as somehow or unAmerican or unVirginian, or making a racist appeal to audience. Or all three. Allen may be too thoughtless or dense to understand or explain what he was really doing. Or maybe not.

Suppose the Webb campaing worker was a native white Virginian and Allen had called him ‘hill-billy’, ‘red-neck’ or ‘grit’… or ‘white trach’? I think macaca is at least as offensive as any of those terms. I just wonder… or I just wonder of Allen might be somehow smart enough not to do that.

OT for those cheering George Galloway last thread.

Yes!

But.

See my EPU’d 184 before you get too excited about him.

well, Senator Allen did say we needed more Supreme Court Justices like Roger Taney …

(not really)

OT…did you see this at myleftnutmeg….Rove sent the Dan Senor trolls as ground troops for RG Joe….PATHETIC

http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/sh…..aryId=2815

I watched the video at Kos. George Felix “Frenchie” Allen called the guy from Webb’s campaign “makaka.” However you want to spell it. No question about it. I don’t know what was in his mind, but he said “makaka.” More than once. It is particularly clear the second time. Not “Mohawk.” The guy doesn’t even have a Mohawk. It could not be more clear. I think his campaign came up with the “Mohawk” story to ridicule anyone foolish enough to believe it.

*ilson46201 @
59

actually George Felix Allen thought he was being clever and using an obscure childhood racist phrase that nobody would ever pick up on in that crowd …

No, he knew he was being taped. That is what confused me, i.e., he could not deny the comment or claim it was misheard as it was taped.
I am thinking he did not consider the offense, i.e., raised that way. I have known people like that, but they don’t get very far in politics.

*ilson46201 @ 65

Lieberman attacks Bernie Sanders

Funny part of that is gerstein saying that Joe is a Democrat, so his sliming of Lamont isn’t partisan. Hmmmm. didn’t get the memo that the Democratic voters of Ct. voted your boy’s butt out!?!?!!?

This is blatant bigotry. He pointed right at Sidarth and insulted him twice. It came easily to Allen, who was laughing as he said it. And he had that typical GOP condescension that brown-skinned people are stupid like children. One gets the impression Allen assumed Sidarth didn’t know he was being insulted. That was a bad assumption.

I am reminded of Biden’s recent bigotry. Is the white male ruling class feeling threatened?

Mary4N — We left in ‘84 but, oh, it was nice,(do you remember Shockhoe Slip, The Tobacco Company, and Cary Street, and Libbie Ave …) EXCEPT… The first time I opened the Richmond News Leader (which, btw, censored the AP and UPI reports about Nixon and Watergate…), the lead editorial called a candidate for City Manager (choke) a “booger-lover”. I lost it, on the spot — especially since we had just come from Chapel Hill (known at the time as “Little Moscow”). Most of North Carolina, btw, at least then, seemed to be trying to come to grips with its racist heritage. Of course, now we live in the part of Pennsylvania between Pittsburgh and Philiadelphia affectionately known as Mississippi… sigh

*ilson46201 @ 15

EPU’ed — I bet “macaca” is a nasty conflation of “macaque” (a type of monkey) and “caca” (a word for shit) — a thoroughly racist neologism …

Probably not. Macaco is the Portuguese word from which the French and English macaque derives–close enough that I doubt a roundabout through the Spanish word for “shit” is required. I can’t determine whether there is an Arabic or Berber word macaca that might come from the same root, but it’s possible.

What happened here is that Allen called a dark-skinned guy a monkey. Even without the Tunisian connection, that’s a racial slur, and he can’t whinge his way around it.

imman @57

Or are they just immune while the Gov. remains?

That one. It’s probably going to really light a fire under him on his re-election bid. *g* Even McConnell, who has no problem with the PResident of the United States directing a little lawbreaking, is looking to maybe endorse someone other than Fletcher.

Also, I am glad a Governor cannot pardon him/herself.

I’ll have to look at the case (and ScottyC may appeal for that matter) but I think that we don’t actually “know” that – he just hasn’t tried it. If the re-election thing goes badly and an AG is still doing that sharkgrin over the indictments, then he may give it a whirl. Since we’re speaking of oldline KY families, Ben Chandler is getting the last laugh on this one.

Fletcher is sweating. He may hatch a plot to invade Indiana if the IRan thing goes well for W.

There’s always some border dispute going on between IN and KY.

Fletcher v. Daniels — hard to pick which side to root against.

do the macacarena

Liz Dupont-Diehl, Gerstein’s counterpart in the Lamont campaign, reacted today by saying that, “the 140,000 people who voted for Ned Lamont would be very surprised to hear they are communists.”

http://www.journalinquirer.com…..&rfi=6

Good answer. LOL

Mary — there will be lots of conflicting loyalties — a Hoosier is just a Kentuckian whose car ran out of gas on the way to Chicago …

neurophius @ 72

The guy doesn’t even have a Mohawk. It could not be more clear. I think his campaign came up with the “Mohawk” story to ridicule anyone foolish enough to believe it.

Probably the same people who thought the name Barney Frank sounded just like Barney Fag.

But you know, focusing on the word and its meaning just gives Allen a chance to weasel out of this thing. He showed who he was when he said “Welcome to America”. That’s uncontrovertible ignorance and racism.

dannyboy- I got there right before you were leaving. I worked in the James Center and TobCo had the best happy hours (except I don’t do oysters). That winter, the James Center did a herd of metal deer, with lights, for xmas, and they all kept falling over. That, or the people coming back from happy hour at the Tob Co were enticed by the shiney lights to frolic with the deer. ;)

Oh yeah, it was f**king Dick Armey with that Barney Frank thing.

Called openly-gay Congressman Barney Frank “Barney Fag” during a 1995 radio show interview, but later denied it was intentional. However, on 2 August 2000, columnist Dave Barry asked, “Are you really Dick Armey?” Armey replies: “Yes, I am Dick Armey. And if there is a dick army, Barney Frank would want to join up.” …

http://www.nndb.com/people/211/000024139/ – 6k

Is there anyone here now from VA who could tell us whether the VA media has picked this story up, and if so, how it is playing?

*ilson46201 @ 79

—a Hoosier is just a Kentuckian whose car ran out of gas on the way to Chicago …

Snort.

So, Hagel is saying the same thing as Lamont, and Mark Warner wants a new Iraq resolution. Are they al-Qaeda Republicans? I want some one to ask the GOP slander brigade that question.

Those two al-Qaeda Republicans have said, asserted, even impertinently given arguments, reasons, have had the nerve to cite facts to the effect that we should not ’stay the course’, er ‘adjust and adapt’, er, do whatever the War Leader in A Time of War says we should do no questions asked.

GW is just a slightly smarter George Allen with a little more political demagogue finishing school.

Jenny from the Blog @ 83

Oh yeah, it was f**king Dick Armey with that Barney Frank thing.

Called openly-gay Congressman Barney Frank “Barney Fag” during a 1995 radio show interview, but later denied it was intentional. However, on 2 August 2000, columnist Dave Barry asked, “Are you really Dick Armey?” Armey replies: “Yes, I am Dick Armey. And if there is a dick army, Barney Frank would want to join up.” …

http://www.nndb.com/people/211/000024139/ – 6k

Armey was such a dick !

dana posts sometimes and is from VA. I bet Kos has something up – several Webb supporters have had diaries there.

http://GoDickArmy.com

LisaDawn lives in MD. When she checks in, be sure to ask her if she gets any of the the local No. VA media and ask if they are picking up on it.

*ilson46201 @ 91

http://GoDickArmy.com

hee hee!

Mary4N at 77 — Thanks. My extensive experience with executive clemency pardon was in Texas where there was a very complicated procedure — only the Board of Pardons and Paroles had the statutory authority to pardon any one or commute their sentence. The Gov.’s only authority was to grant 30 day repreives. Of course, the Board was appointed by the Governor….

This process came out of the infamous “pardons for cash” scandal of the Pa and Ma Ferguson era (19-teens). There were term limits and at different points Pa’s (James) wife (Ma Ferguson) was elected as a place keeper for a term or two. She famously said (apocryphyl-ly), “If the King’s English was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for me!”

Cozumel @ 80

Liz Dupont-Diehl, Gerstein’s counterpart in the Lamont campaign, reacted today by saying that, “the 140,000 people who voted for Ned Lamont would be very surprised to hear they are communists.”

http://www.journalinquirer.com…..&rfi=6

Good answer. LOL

Looks like the JL folks are trying to bait Lamont, to get him into a mud fight. That’s pretty nasty stuff, all of it dishonest, coming from Gerstein. And the Waterford paper is just plain red baiting. Which century are they in?

The nutroots are going wild over Senator Allen’s remarks about a “spy” from his opponent Jim Webb (D), playing their convenient “race card” which they incidently care nothing about. “Democrat James Webb’s Senate campaign accused Sen. George Allen (R) of making demeaning comments Friday to a 20-year-old Webb volunteer of Indian descent.

See this is why it’s more important to slam him for the “America” crack.

Okay, I guess I’ve said it about five times in the last couple of threads so I’ll just shut my mouf. :) But I really don’t want him to get away with this!

Oh fun, we get to see wingnut trackback comments. It’s a free window into the vapid minds of the republican zombie brigades.

I am such a doofus !

Bah!…A tempest in a teakettle, a piffle in a portmanteau, a cheroot in a chamberpot…When we all know some people say that the real issue is the ‘fascinating Ned Lamont blackface scandal’, as scurrilious an example of racist injustice as was ever was! Why it’s just…just…just…slanderific!…And I’m not given to hyperbole, or nothin’.

…Gee willikers kids, stay on message

;>)

WEBB!! We are gonna kick Allen’s butt from here to next November. What a loser.

Webb for ALL Virginians, not just the white ones.

off to watch Weed with daughter but …

on the topic of racism:

http://www.oliverwillis.com/20….._stan.html

Weekly Standard has Al Sharpton as a chauffeur … seems like racism is breaking out all over

I am repeating from a previous thead:

And, BTW, I hope FDL will go after Gerstein- comment that is older, but couldn’t ref. before what with the previous slowness…

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-240841

Gentleman Jim says: August 12th, 2006 at 5:44 pm *

Dan Gerstein needs a dose of his own medicine.

From Howie Klein’s blog at HuffPo:

“I want to point out that we’re not talking about someone who volunteered to hand out flyers at a Lieberman rally in Stamford once. Dan Gerstein was a senior Democratic strategist who worked with Lieberman for 10 years and collaborated with him on the infamous stab in the back he administered to Bill Clinton at a time when only partisan Republicans were calling for Clinton’s impeachment over the Monica Lewinsky brouhaha.”

Lierberman and by extension Dan Gerstein need their faces rubbed in their own piddle. Dan Gerstein probably is a major factor in HoJo’s Rethuglican-Lite “Indie” run decision. Find out who he gets his checks from and his “senior Democratic strategist” meal ticket will disappear out from under him.

Nail him to the fence post so all the other DLC ‘consultants’ can view their impending fate.

Happy to see that watertiger got her 1,000,000 hits on her birthday. Yay for the good guys!

egregious @ 100

WEBB!! We are gonna kick Allen’s butt from here to next November. What a loser.

Webb for ALL Virginians, not just the white ones.

It is an energizer for sure — may just make some folks angry enough to put some energy into the Webb campaign. Hmmm…

Richmond TimesDispatch has nada, kinda like the contents of the troll’s cranium at #96.

P-U at 96!

Allen is just stirring up his base.

Allen is the kind of mindless drone Republicans love to anoint king president.

That way, they can stand in front of the teleprompter and parrot their handlers’ bullshit, without a trace of reflection creasing their brow.

al-Scooter @ 103

Richmond TimesDispatch has nada, kinda like the contents of the troll’s cranium at #96.

Good of him to sign his post, though

;>)

Allen is just stupid. His [current] wife personally told me he needs a lot of help.

Let’s help him find a nice retirement position when he LOSES in November.

WEBB!!

Whatever happened to the attaboys for not feeding? Do y’all need an enforcer reminder?

Hello Darkblack!

“Cheroot in a chamberpot”

Most excellent!

One of the ugly effects of the right wing take over, is the crypto and overt permission by their politicians to relax the previous restriction of racist speech in public. Allen is the latest example.

I remember when the Dems were the party of the racists; now it’s not all Republicans are racists but most racists are Republicans.

Now if all these Republicans put as much effort into protecting us from terrorists as they do trolling liberal blogs, think how much better off the world would be!

VG: “Sorry.”

{{Blushes as he is caught with troll-feed on his fingertips}}

OT Oh, sorry to be so slow in saying- hugs to imm, despite the feeding. Aug 14 date? Resonates. You doin’ okay?

hit F5 and Fred and puppydebris have changed their tune …

Jenny from the Blog @ 83

Oh yeah, it was f**king Dick Armey with that Barney Frank thing.

Called openly-gay Congressman Barney Frank “Barney Fag” during a 1995 radio show interview, but later denied it was intentional. However, on 2 August 2000, columnist Dave Barry asked, “Are you really Dick Armey?” Armey replies: “Yes, I am Dick Armey. And if there is a dick army, Barney Frank would want to join up.” …

http://www.nndb.com/people/211/000024139/ – 6k

His district is/was just to the north of me. Primarily the Denton, Texas area. He used to make me so mad I thought about moving there and running against him in the mid 90’s. I would have lost then big time but not now maybe ; )

He also delivered Bob Hope’s eulogy on the House Floor but Bob wasn’t dead.

Bob Hope said the news of my death has been greatly exaggerated! LOL Idiot.

Here ya go, Webb campaign–volunteer and donate

A candidate for all Virginians

Valley Girl @ 108

Whatever happened to the attaboys for not feeding? Do y’all need an enforcer reminder?

Aw, we never get to have any fun!

Valley Girl @ 113

OT Oh, sorry to be so slow in saying- hugs to imm, despite the feeding. Aug 14 date? Resonates. You doin’ okay?

Not done — new date — August 21. I am getting worried a bit. Wife in Switzerland on buisness trip, all alone with little Imm and the cat…. I need two solid days of time. Wednesday and ???? Keep all fingers and toes crossed.

Truly yours, Imm

Great catch siun.
Weekly Standard cover, under the title, “Ned Lamont Democrats,” there is Al Sharpton in the back ground. There’s also a woman, can’t tell if it’s supposed to be Hillary or Maxine Waters….

The Webb campaign should make a paper-mache “Macaca Float” with a big brown head on it, and drive it around to all Allen’s events.

Cozumel:

He also delivered Bob Hope’s eulogy on the House Floor but Bob wasn’t dead. Bob Hope said the news of my death has been greatly exaggerated! LOL Idiot.

OMG, I forgot that was Armey! sheesh.

Coz — Dick Armey…and he is one…grew up in Can-do, North Dakota. While in the leadership he came back to ND from time to time and got a mostly chilly welcome, except from the hardcore Rethugs. One of his major issues was getting rid of the minimum wage. Many of his kinfolk were earning minimum wage.

We’ve a saying around here that the bracing North Dakota winters drive the riff-raff out.
Good riddance, Dick.

Women Love Men Who Do Not Feed Tr**ls.

Found this mention of the Allen story, but it was buried down toward the bottom of their main page.

Click Me!

concerning trolls — as somebody once said “mon petit enfant Felix, a laiss ces personnes terribles mourir de faim !”

A Bob Hope float for Dick’s district?

Or as Pammie would say, “Thaks for the..” nah, even I’m not tacky enough to finish that one.

Why is it that trolls never spell correctly? The poor little wingnut has no clue his total ignorance is showing, it always shows.

Bon soir, Imm.

:)

…But VG, sometimes the contrarian wildlife sound so upset within their greater ‘ook-ook-eek-eek’ that one must throw them a peanut simply to perk up their busy little tails.

;>)

Swooch@120 Great idea except, unlike Lieberman folks in Conn.,Allen folks in Va. carry ax handles and baseball bats in their pick-up trucks. I’m not kidding, I live in a red state.

imm- that deadline deferral sounds like my own Grant extension deadline. Do we need to talk? Let’s see- don’t make one part perfect, and go on to the next, because the next part will change what needs be written before. Howsa bout- I’d rather get it done than get it perfect? Warning- I am avoiding email opening. Sure bad stuff awaits along with the good. Do you have a timer handy, and are you estimating time for each section? Can you convince yourself that deadline is Aug. 18? etc. xxoo

Oh, I’m so excited this is the post tonight!! Angie, Dru, and I were at the table for Webb on Sunday during the watermelon festival in Carytown. Three firedogs are not enough. We need help here! So far the HQ for Webb in Richmond doesn’t even have phones. I sure hope the Dem party sends some professional staffers soon.

Don’t worry–the Webb campaign has already send the video and devoted their newsletter to this incident. Everyone knows about Allen’s mother being Tunisian, etc. This will be covered in the papers. However, I don’t know if it will have much staying power.

Dru has a great story about Eric Cantor (Allen’s and his stupid table was across the street from us). She could not escape him. I’ll let her tell the sordid tale. A Webb supporter said that Eric Cantor, George Allen, and Rick Santorum are the “axis of evil” because whenever one is talking the other two are usually standing in the background.

I was thrilled to meet Angie–Sunday was like a teensy FDL Lamont gathering. I hope it grows.

I can hardly breathe that this is on Firedog tonight. Thanks, JANE!

DB, I heart all manimals, even the evil Bush Boys. Howsever, that Laura is just too stepford to qualify?

Our ears don’t deceive us. It’s definitely macaca — twice. Considering the Tunisian connection, it would seem Allen knew exactly what he was saying and probably thought no-one would possibly make the connection. If he apologizes now, he admits that intention. And apologize he must — it was a racial slur after all.

Prairie Sunshine @ 122

Coz — Dick Armey…and he is one…grew up in Can-do, North Dakota. While in the leadership he came back to ND from time to time and got a mostly chilly welcome, except from the hardcore Rethugs. One of his major issues was getting rid of the minimum wage. Many of his kinfolk were earning minimum wage.

We’ve a saying around here that the bracing North Dakota winters drive the riff-raff out.
Good riddance, Dick.

And DeLay is gone now too, sweet!

Cornyn is next, in 2008. He’s got one of the lowest approval levels in the state. I’m talking Conrad Burns low!!! ; )

darkblack- with all due respect, FDL does not do peanuts.

Lotus, left you a comment on little cat feet two threads down.

My suggestion is that Mr. Sidarth concentrate his future efforts on documenting Allen’s boozing. We certainly don’t need another alcoholic in the White House…even a dry alcoholic.

egregious @ 115

Here ya go, Webb campaign–volunteer and donate

A candidate for all Virginians

And all Americans…we need a Democratic majority in the House and in the Senate, in order to bring justice to the evil doers.

Valley Girl @ 135

darkblack- with all due respect, FDL does not do peanuts.

Which is regrettable, so many of us suffering from peanuts envy as we do. :-P

darkblack @ 7:15 pm (#128) – I may have said so before, but I love that poster, especially the picture of Rumsfeld.

fwiw, the GOP is anti-Semitic — they have just one Jewish Representative in the House — which is one more than the number of African-American GOP Congresspeople …

VG, thanks — and yes, I have my trusty Radio shack timer right by my ‘puter.

xxox back atcha. The 18th it is!

Well, let’s see, what do we have here:

On the one hand, we have the actual candidate, Senator Allen, singling out a brown-skinned young man in a public gathering and refering to him repeatedly with what appears to be a racist slur, to the laughter of his audience.

On the other hand, we have a well known blogger, who is not employed or directed by any candidate, who posts an article about JL pretending to be something he is not — a loyal Democrat — and to illustrate the point, uses a photoshop picture that shows two white men, one of whom is pretending to be something he is not (the blackface metaphor) as a symbol for the deception being perpetrated on the voters of Connecticut by JL, and being indulged in this deception by another white man who understood this was a deception but nevertheless lent his name and prestige to the deception.

Nevertheless, despite the absence of any malice, prejudice or any intention to offend Blacks, who are neither pictured or mentioned and who are not the topic, the blogger pulls the photo when it is suggested that a mere blackface photo may be offensive to some, and apoligizes for offending anyone . . . only to be accused of being racist by the same JL who then says about his entirely blameless opponent, “He can have the [two black officials] Democrats, I’ve got Bill Clinton!”

So let’s see. There are very clearly two people, Allen and Lieberman, two desperate politicians, playing the race card in this story. We don’t know what to think of Bill Clinton, so leave him out for the moment. The one person in the story who is clearly not a racist is the blogger.

It’s time we said this.

Allen doing a racist slur will only endear him to his Confederate followers. Only the people already planning to vote for Webb will be offended.

Allen adopting Virginia as his state reminds me of another rich Republican adopting a southern state and pretending to be a cowboy.

*ilson46201 @ 143

fwiw, the GOP is anti-Semitic — they have just one Jewish Representative in the House — which is one more than the number of African-American GOP Congresspeople …

Tell that to Marc Gellman. He seriously doesn’t get it.

EvilDrPuma- well, that response was truly laugh out loud for me. Usually TRex is my regular LOL source, but here you are!

*ilson #141: shame shame shame on you. The GOP is not anti-Semetic. They think the Israelites will get an extra chance to convert to Dispensationalist Fundamentalism one last time before they are thrown into the lake of fire with the firedoglake crowd, Democrats, and muslims and other bad people come Armageddon time.

I was wondering about the Lieberman, Wall Street Journal, Rabbi Gellman (a big Schiavo-for-life guy) Jews must sick together thingy. Why doesn’t Feingold go stump for Ned and throw that line of caca into confusion?

out of 14 Jewish Senators, 12 are Democrats, 2 are GOP (Specter & Coleman)

well…Lieberman is sui generis

Valley Girl @ 146

EvilDrPuma- well, that response was truly laugh out loud for me. Usually TRex is my regular LOL source, but here you are!

Thank you, I’m here all week. Try the prime rib–it’s great!

#143: I wasn’t near the blogosphere for the FDL blackface scandal. But if that is an issue now, it is interesting that I read JH pulled the picture asap, apologized to anyone offended, and didn’t lie about it. Hmm… any differences there?

wesgpc’s votinglinks @ 151

#143: I wasn’t near the blogosphere for the FDL blackface scandal. But if that is an issue now, it is interesting that I read JH pulled the picture asap, apologized to anyone offended, and didn’t lie about it. Hmm… any differences there?

Difference so far is that the MSM plastered the JH episode everywhere without apology. Any bets as to whether or not they pick up on this?

wesgpc’s votinglinks @ 86

So, Hagel is saying the same thing as Lamont, and Mark Warner wants a new Iraq resolution. Are they al-Qaeda Republicans? I want some one to ask the GOP slander brigade that question.

Um, Mark Warner is a Democrat. He’s running for President. :)

“Dog whistle bigotry”

I’d never heard that expression before Patrex (what I call TRex’s twin brother Patrick) posted a comment on my blog about how the Lieberman supporters seemed to make a big thing about how they’d “…be happy to take Bill Clinton’s support, and let Ned Lamont have Al Sharpton’s and Jesse Jackson’s…”

I totally understand what Patrick was referring to. When I heard the statement, I instinctively knew there was something wrong; it wasn’t as obvious as a blantant racial slur, but it was insulting and demeaning none the less.

Hopefully the MSM will screw their “dog-ears” on and make a better attempt to “hear” what’s often being said by these hacks.

RevDeb @ 152, they’ll pick up on it, if we make them. !

This kind of thing is just so despicable, and unfortunately, there are still people who not only find it acceptable, but are probably high-fiving over it to a chorus of “Good One, George!”

I just have a sense that a lot of people get quite jazzed when an event – like the British terror plot – occurs, that looks like a perfect opening for them to let their racism out of the closet.

Joey made two questionable statments in recent days. One was the “Ned Lamont can have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson” comment, and the other was the reference to “Maxine Waters Democrats.”

Don’t think for one minute that he – and others – is not playing to prejudice in this race. That he is that desperate to win that he would stoop that low is just one more reason why Joe needs to go. George Allen? I hope Webb squashes him like the nasty bug he is.

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EvilDrPuma- I love prime rib. I think I’ve finally recovered from the Mad Cow worries- I can’t give blood because I lived in Britain during that time, so that is a reminder. But, you have me salivating for a good prime rib..

#153: thanks. oops, may be got my Warners mixed up. Think Progress says it was John Warner.

Well said scarecrow. Of course we can’t forget LieberLiar’s imported thug screaming: “Are you an Al Sharpton Democrat, or a Bill Clinton Democrat?”

The hosts/moderators will decide whether to leave this or delete it, but I am tired of hearing this misrepresented, even among ourselves, when the so-called “scandal” was really about what Joe Lieberman said, on the record, in dismissing the importance and relevance of prominent black political officials. The man insulted three black people and no one has called him on it.

iftthethunderdontgetya @ 155

RevDeb @ 152, they’ll pick up on it, if we make them. !

And so may it be.

From 9 August 2006, Associated Press.
Feingold gives Lamont $5,000 contribution
I agree imm, I just checked Russ’ site and it doesn’t look as though a visit to CT is in his immediate future.

More x-s and o-s for you Imman.

Dana and Angie and Dru — keep the updates coming. Is Warner campaigning for Webb?

VG, nice to see you out of disguise – may have been for a while, but I just noticed tonight.

CTBob!!!!! You are such a great hugger!! Left you some info on your blog that I would contact my CT friend who is passionate about the 3 House races in CT.

Shez @ 161

Well said scarecrow. Of course we can’t forget LieberLiar’s imported thug screaming: “Are you an Al Sharpton Democrat, or a Bill Clinton Democrat?”

You got it.

correction to #86: JOHN Warner is an al-Qaeda Republican!

egregious, Redshift, Angie, Dru and others -

here’s the Webb liveblog from earlier today over at Kos

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..182633/613

the usual apologies if previously posted

Cozumel @ 134

Prairie Sunshine @ 122

And DeLay is gone now too, sweet!

Cornyn is next, in 2008. He’s got one of the lowest approval levels in the state. I’m talking Conrad Burns low!!! ; )

In his discussion about authoritarian types, John Dean mentions John Cornyn by name. :)

Shez @ 161

Well said scarecrow. Of course we can’t forget LieberLiar’s imported thug screaming: “Are you an Al Sharpton Democrat, or a Bill Clinton Democrat?”

it was J-Lie’s imported lobbyist thug. . . let’s not forget who J-Lie’s BFF’s are.

Fern- only out of disguise when I have time to moderate comments- too difficult to go back and forth as M/VG. I yanked *that* comment (breaks arm patting self on back) and my guy *ilson took care of the rest. xxoo

http://www.CT4Joe.com

http://www.WhinyJoe.com

VG — while in full moderator power, go into your contact info page and change your username — I login under one name but it displays another if you wish…

I am waiting for a FDL post titled “Joe Lieberman- what Lies ahead?” Someone needs to do this. Please?

*ilson46201 @ 156

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Hehe, babelfish translated that thus:

any knob will make in order to beat the horse

RevDeb @ 90 – I got home late and didn’t see the news so I can’t tell you if they’re covering the George Allen incident. But what I can say that after living in Norfolk for three years that it’s much more liberal than people would think it is. There is a large retired gay military community down there plus Old Dominion University, Norfolk State University and Hampton University that results in a fairly educated and decently liberal population. As a pretty dyky looking women I never ran across any discrimination down there either.

During the last presidential election Norfolk went 63% for Kerry with my Congressional District going 67%. The Richmond Catholic Bishop is supposed pretty liberal. An old gay college friend who goes to church up there says that the bishop welcomes lesbians and gays into the congregations.

So from my own personal experience I think that Virginia, at least the more metropolitan areas, is more purple than red.

Catching the other side in this contemptible hypocrisy is enraging. But shouldn’t let it get to us. I think the voters who will be swayed by the hypocritical tricks played by other side and biased media coverage are solidly in Bush/Cheney/Allen camp -the 30% of population that is the base of the base. Digby has an interesting post on an apparent source of disappointing Busby results -she was not aggressive enough in saying she would oppose Bush and Bushite GOP.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..2870184417

TRex and other were right, I think: attack attack attack the bad guys. Don’t get too hung up on this stuff. Just attack, and make it clear what we are attackiong -corrupting, mindless militarism, authoritarianism, bad performance on war on terror. Respectable voting pattern research I’ve read on 2004 election says the same thing.

*ilson- thanks- you have obviously explored the ins and outs of WP more thoroughly than I did, back when. Of course, I should have known you would be more savvy than I, being a hacker and all! xxoo

scarecrow, I heartily endorse your sentiments, but from a campaign standpoint, I’m not so sure. As I know you know, what’s“right” and what’s helpful to getting elected are often not the same.
I think Joe’s strategy confirms that he thinks he can with the three-way without votes from African Americans.
I think Joe is dead wrong, but I don’t see what Ned has to gain in terms of votes from talking about ethnicity. I don’t think Waters, Sharpton, or Jackson, or any other African Americans will be back campaigning with Ned. They did their job, very well, but the campaign has entered a different phase.

“any stick will do to beat a horse” is an old Russian saying — they want to beat up on Jane so they have seized the graphic-kerfuffle as the stick to whop her with.

The point is that they want to whop Jane and us, and will seize whatever to do it, justified or not …

RevDeb, ROFL, indeed! How remiss of me to leave out imported lobbyist thug. My apologies! *G* Sheesh, does he have any other kind? What a gutter campaign Joe foisted on us all, not just the good citizens of CT.

Valley Girl #166 – I saw your reply, and definitely go ahead and have your friend contact me. Email would be fine also, as I’m often unavailable by cell, but have her leave a message. The three Republican House seats at risk are available if we Dems can stand together and avoid a costly and distracting battle with RG Joe.

I wanted to give Joe the opportunity to quit before I stepped up my actions. I gave it nearly a week, but I got too angry tonight when our state House Speaker came out and defiantely supported Lieberman. He’s MY state rep; I live about a mile from him; and now that I’ve trashed him thoroughly on my blog, I will make it my mission in life to annoy him to the point he’ll BEG me to LET him support Ned Lamont.

I’m charging my video camera batteries as I type this…I wonder what time he leaves for work in the morning?

Valley Girl @ 177

I am waiting for a FDL post titled “Joe Lieberman- what Lies ahead?” Someone needs to do this. Please?

I have one waiting in Jane’s and CHS mailbox.

Oilfieldguy @ 186

Valley Girl @ 177

I am waiting for a FDL post titled “Joe Lieberman- what Lies ahead?” Someone needs to do this. Please?

I have one waiting in Jane’s and CHS mailbox.

Slightly different title, but it is addressed. If the ladies of the house feel it is worthy.

CTBob- Obviously I saw your post, but I am providing a link for those who haven’t. And, if you post links here to your blog, I think you have earned cred so that you need not apologize for BWing (in case that thought entered your mind).

http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..ds-by.html

xxoo

John Casper — I agree with your points, but the story is still out there, and keeps being repeated, and even our own (Greenwald today)keep misdescribing the so-called “scandal.”

I don’t speak for anyone’s campaign, and others here can decide what can be posted here or not. But I think it’s time to explain this. I did this because I understand why others couldn’t.

OFG- hope you got it as to the “Lies” part- as in untruthiness….

Story should be in the Times-Dispatch tomorrow. Heard about the live blog. Going to read it soon. Warner is campaigning for Webb. Obama has been here, but he and Clinton may show up again much later.

Love the Maccaca Float idea!

CTBob,
As some around these parts were bemoaning J-Lie’s obstinacy, I assured them the other night that you and Keith and Al were making nice on him before the primary and only attacking with humor. But now that J-Lie continues to be a pest, I remarked that you all would make it your mission in life to take him down. At least that is what Keith said to me Tues. night.

Did I misspeak?

lisadawn — Helpful summary of your area’s politics. Thanks.

O/T
an overlooked after dinner mint for the N. Cal kids -

I was working BUNCO over at KOS . . .
http://www.eventsounds.com/wav/dum.wav

Congressman Pombo, gotta minute ?, my partner and I would like to speak with you . . .

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..152218/141

Thanks scarecrow.
I should have added to my comment that I was restricting it solely to words that come out of Ned’s mouth.
I think it’s important for those of us who support Ned to call this thinly disguised “white supremacy,” for what it is.
African Americans can’t. Short of someone using the “n”-word, if they mention anything remotely approaching the topic of ethnicity, the entire neocon population jumps and accuses them of “playing the race card.”

*ilson46201 @ 180

“any stick will do to beat a horse” is an old Russian saying — they want to beat up on Jane so they have seized the graphic-kerfuffle as the stick to whop her with.

The point is that they want to whop Jane and us, and will seize whatever to do it, justified or not …

I like this old Russian saying better…”You cannot ride two horses with one ass.” :)

But I hear ya wrt Jane and the blackface. Every time it’s brought up, we should ask them about that Hitler moustache photoshopped onto Howard Dean.

OT- If the weather is good in the AM, I am hitting the road east to DC,1.1k miles, then north to New England, then?. I am planning to stop in the Holy City of Meriden CT. Is this the best Lamont office to visit for an out of state supporter? Thanks for any advice.

Dana @
189

Love the Maccaca Float idea!

I dunno – could be tricky to make sure that the message that is intended is the message that’s heard.

This is all just a big misunderstanding – I’m sure *ilson will back me up on this:

Allen was referring to the young man by his Scottish name “MacAucaugh”

Mentioned this earlier today, but I don’t know why we are wasting all this energy on Joe Lieberman. He lost the Democratic primary.

The energy – and the focus – needs to be on Ned Lamont. Ned ran a good, clean and fair campaign, which is more than we can say about his opponent.

But where does Ned’s campaign go from here? Does it get mired down in Lieberland, constantly on the defensive in response to Joe’s latest potshots? Or does Ned do what he knows how to do so well – speak to the people, hear their concerns, talk about what he is for, what he wants to change, how he will be a better Senator for the people of Connecticut?

When you run a campaign this way, you do two things: (1) you let people know who you are, you forge an identity and you pull away from the other guy on your own merits, and (2) you make the other guy look like the whiny loser he is.

Do people deserve to know the truth about Joe? Of course they do, but one truth a lot of them already know is that winning is more important to him than the voters. They know that for all his protestations that he wasn’t a “friend of Bush,” he pivoted so quickly after he lost, right into standard GOP talking points, that a lot of people were able to see exactly why Joe had been branded as a pseudo-Democrat. They know that all his high-minded talk about being against partisan politics was just that – talk – when he took cheap shot after cheap shot that were right out of Dick Cheney’s playbook.

We need to channel energy toward Ned, and not waste it on the distraction of the guy who can’t handle losing.

us Scots-Irish dont know nothing about no Scottish shit …

Valley Girl @ 190

OFG- hope you got it as to the “Lies” part- as in untruthiness….

Actually, no. The ladies of the house have much sharper claws than mine. As he is overmatched, I see him for what he is, a biological speedbump in the path of a people-powered movement. Joe does not realize it, but he is the wind beneath our wings.

Call me a starry eyed idealist or an omniscient sage, I accept all superlatives. The only thing in the middle of the road is a yellow stripe.

*ilson – skittish about Scottish?

LisaDawn,
Thanks for the info. How do you think this will play?

i remember reading a post a regarding George Allen’s drinking problems. i’m not sure how much notice it got so if this is old news… apologies. i just thought it was sick and hilarious. both. but then i have a pretty twisted sense of humor.

i was able to google it. never thought in a million years i’d be putting “george allen” plus meatballs into a search bar.

you can read more here if you’re interested. scroll down to the last story on the page. but here the highlights and i do mean high:

“In the August of 1985 my family traveled to Charlottesville to attend a wedding. A family friend was marrying a CPA and the accounting firm he worked for had done some work for the law firm that George Felix Allen belonged to: George Allen was a guest at the wedding.”

“The wedding went off without a hitch and the wedding party proceeded to the reception, where things began to get out of hand. George Felix Allen was drinking heavily and he wasn’t handling his booze well. Towards the end of the reception the time came for the bride and groom to leave under a shower of bird seed. Standing with the other guests, George Felix Allen had a plate of meatballs covered in barbecue sauce, a staple of wedding buffets.”

“Perhaps one of his cronies had handed him the plate of meatballs hoping to get some food on his stomach and prevent his alcoholic binge from getting even further out of hand. If that was the case, it couldn’t have gone more wrong.”

“As the bride and groom made their way towards their limo, the assembled guests began throwing handfuls of birdseed at the happy couple, still dressed in their wedding clothes. As they moved along the line, they came to where George Felix Allen stood. Allen, suddenly realizing that he didn’t have any birdseed, did what came naturally: he began pelting the bride with barbecued meatballs.”

kinda sez it all, doesn’t it? sorry for the length. hope it doesn’t drive the software crazy.

Our boy Allen is a real piece of work.

As governor Allen had a stormy relationship with African-American voters in Virginia, many of whom criticized his policies and his embrace of the Confederate flag, which the NAACP condemned as a symbol of racism and hate. As a lawyer, Allen also had a noose hanging from a ficus tree in his office, a decoration critics have charged was racially insensitive, but which Allen has explained as a symbol of his tough stance on law-and-order issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Felix_Allen

in Indiana a formal wedding is when they paint the shotgun white and throw puffed rice at the bride …

Well said, Anne. And to all appearances that is exactly the kind of campaign Ned is running – working from his own strengths.

Fern @ 7:57 pm (#196) – I wondered about that as well. The idea certainly appeals to my sense of humor (I laughed out loud when I first read it), but my sense of humor isn’t widely shared, and probably not the one this would need to appeal to.

wesgpc,

aah! – I’m so seldom on the threads at night had been wondering where you had been –

thought of you this morning in the first morning thread when the commenters were talking about analyzing Lieberman’s donor database – just sounded like something right up your alley (see Rayne and others in the comments section)
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..the-money/

oooh, your cool posts kinda confirm my hunch

GO WEBB and down and out with the racist George Felix Allen!

Here’s a linky to the sordid little run-amok Eric Cantor and the steadfast Dru:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/4…..214523919/

p.s.– can someone please help me decipher his body language? I think he was wetting his pants.

Steve @ 195

OT- If the weather is good in the AM, I am hitting the road east to DC,1.1k miles, then north to New England, then?. I am planning to stop in the Holy City of Meriden CT. Is this the best Lamont office to visit for an out of state supporter? Thanks for any advice.

Steve- yes, I would say. Not to diss any other office by saying that. The 3 I worked with were awesome- New Haven, Willimantic and Meriden. But, as far as I could tell, Meriden seemed to be “command central”- got sent there from NH on the Monday before the Tuesday. I hope you are thinking about how you might “serve” upon arrival- always a good thing to do. Do a food run to The Deli, or… whatever might help.

Allen is another overprivileged, smirking, cowboybootwearing asshole, only slightly less of a fool than the reigning idiot George.

He’s also an alumnus of UVA, where the student he attempted to denigrate is currently a fourth-year. Since the University has a bit of a history (past and recent) with racist hatespeak, and since Univ Pres John Casteen has been highly vocal in denouncing such speech in the past several years, the situation could get more interesting when fall term begins and the student newspaper, The Cavalier Daily, picks up the story. Generally, the WaPo follows major stories involving UVa students. So it’s possible that the story of a current senator, former governor, and future presidential candidate maliigning a native Virginian and current UVa undergrad is one that will have legs.

Off Topic Jason Leopold revealed
For anyone who wants to see what FDL moderators have to deal with, I strongly suggest you read the comments from emptywheel’s latest. Jason Leopold, pretending to be someone else, let’s loose in the tnh comments with F bombs and from there it gets worse.

Eric Cantor is the one Jewish GOP House member…

*ilson46201 @ 204

in Indiana a formal wedding is when they paint the shotgun white and throw puffed rice at the bride …

lol!! great visual. funny and subtle.

punaise @ 203

*ilson – skittish about Scottish?

Well, the young man certainly looks Scottish.

ROFL Jon Stewart just played several clips of George W. Bush saying our strategy in Iraq is to “stay the course.” Then he played a clip of Ken Mehlman saying, our strategy isn’t to stay the course, it’s to “adapt and win.” Made both Bush and Mehlman look like the idiots they are.

By the way, if we have been “adapting” for the past three years, why aren’t we “winning” now?

Having gone back and read the comments that posted while I was typing, I just wanted to add a few things.

I don’t think Joe Lieberman should “get away with” anything he says that isn’t true, but if we start playing defense, he is just going to relentlessly put crap out there and wait for Ned to react. I guess the question is, why should Ned get sucked into playing Lieberman’s game? Why can’t Ned set the rules of the game and force Joe to play it his way?

When Joe lobs the “Maxine Waters Dem v. Bill Clinton Dem” at Ned, the best response Ned could have is, I’m a Connecticut Democrat. I’m for the people of Connecticut, and they’re the people I want to go to the Senate to fight for. When the voters go to the polls in November, my name will be the one with the “D” after it.”

Ned’s approach should do whatever it has to to take the wind out of Joe’s sails, make everything he says look petty and mean, and advance true Democratic positions and ideology – and he can do that while staying out of the mud.

RevDeb @ 202 – It’s hard to say. I just looked at the Virginian-Pilot online and didn’t see anything about Senator Allen. Of course after explaining how cool Norfolk was the Virginian-Pilot has this article Naval Station Norfolk:

Navy Base ranks third in U.S. for discharging gays
Update: Norfolk Naval Station used the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy 35 times last year to kick out a service member – ranking behind Army bases in Missouri and Kentucky, according to Defense Department documents.

lisadawn82 – 218, while the discharges aren’t cool, I’d guess (don’t know for sure) that Norfolk is probably about the largest Navy base there is…

Anne- another one of your wonderful comments! Yes, you are correct. I think that CTians on the ground get this. At the party I was standing next to a guy who seemed oddly disengaged (so I thought). I said to him (not exactly, just the sense of it), you seem to be rather stoic about this… yes… okay, it was like pulling teeth to get a response from the guy… but the essence of what he said was- “I love this guy (Lamont), I’ve been waiting for this for a long time, I’ve known him since forever when we were this tall (3 ft. he indicated) and we played ice hockey together, Lamont is the real deal, sorry I haven’t slept for the last two nights…” Ned does have serious support.

LisaDawn 218

A sad commentary indeed. Some day we will look back on these times and say “WFT were they thinking?”

John Casper @ 212

Off Topic Jason Leopold revealed
For anyone who wants to see what FDL moderators have to deal with, I strongly suggest you read the comments from emptywheel’s latest. Jason Leopold, pretending to be someone else, let’s loose in the tnh comments with F bombs and from there it gets worse.

I was part of the Mod Squad (sorry punaise, we used that over three years ago) on a trure crime forum. It’s a bitch, hat’s off to the mods ; )

cbl #208: thanks, I’ve been gone awhile and still catching up. I haven’t been paying much attention to campaign money recently though -so thanks for pointing out that post. Been going through reliable research I can find on whether any important swing ‘moral values’ voting block exists that the Democrats have been losing. Answer: not a trace of it. May have been signficant number of independent and Democratic votes lost in 2004 because they were not sold on Bushco Iraq, GWOT, economy madness but couldn’t figure out what Democrats positions were.

So dang gum it, TRex, though I often shrink at his snark, was right: Dems need to state their case loudly and clearly on Iraq, GWOT, Iraq corruption, economy, and attack attack attack. Dont complain, attack.

John Casper @ 212

Off Topic Jason Leopold revealed
For anyone who wants to see what FDL moderators have to deal with, I strongly suggest you read the comments from emptywheel’s latest. Jason Leopold, pretending to be someone else, let’s loose in the tnh comments with F bombs and from there it gets worse.

That was ugly. Wonder if he’s on the sauce?

Maybe I’ll (ugh!) wander over to toothout and see if Karl Rove’s been indicted yet.

pwned

“Maybe I’ll (ugh!) wander over to toothout and see if Karl Rove’s been indicted yet.”
LMAO.

JC- I think I’ll just skip the Jason link.

OldCoastie at 219 – Yes Naval Station Norfolk is actually the worlds largest Naval Station, or at least it was four years ago. But after reading the comments after the article I have to agree with one of the commenters. I’m betting that a bunch of people didn’t want to go to war and falsely came out as gay. Quite a few people join the military then never want to go overseas or on a ship. Go figure.

OldCoastie @ 219

lisadawn82 – 218, while the discharges aren’t cool, I’d guess (don’t know for sure) that Norfolk is probably about the largest Navy base there is…

wikipedia – It is the world’s largest Naval Station; in fact, based on supported military population, it is the largest naval installation in the world.

Wow John Casper, is Leopold posing as Harry Shep again? I remember well when he showed up here and at emptywheel’s by that alias a few months ago. I’m researching some Allen stuff and will visit your link in a bit.

Here’s a taste of a few things about Allen:

…had his sister later write a memoir, Fifth Quarter, in which she said that “George hoped someday to become a dentist…George said he saw dentistry as a perfect profession–getting paid to make people suffer.

…and spray-painted “die whitey” and other “racially tinged” graffiti on the walls of Palos Verde High School.

…and “drove around with a Confederate flag on his Mustang”

…and “plastered the school with Confederate flags”

…and was one of only 27 Virginia House of Delegates members in 1984 who voted against a state holiday commemorating Martin Luther King Jr.

…and “co-sponsored a resolution expressing ‘regret and sorrow upon the loss’ of William Munford Tuck, a politician who opposed every piece of civil rights legislation while in Congress during the 1950s and 1960s and promised ‘massive resistance’ to the Supreme Court’s 1954 decision banning segregation.”

“Wow John Casper, is Leopold posing as Harry Shep again?”
He’s using different names, but the same IP, that’s how emptywheel nailed him. She put it all in the comments.

re: Navy discharges for gays at Norfolk – just checked wikipedia (sorry forgot to grab the link) – Norfolk is the largest navy base in the world… (and it is impressively HUGE)… 35 discharges in a year for DADT? I’d say the Navy is pretty relaxed (and it’s my understanding from my Navy buddies that they don’t really give a sh*t if anyones gay)… comparative size of the Army bases doing all the discharging? -comparing elephants to puppy dogs…

late nite thread

Valley Girl #186 – Thanks, but I really feel awkward about posting too many links to my own blog here, because I do worry about blogwhoring. If Jane or Christy gives me the OK to link at will (with some restraint), I’ll feel better about doing so; but until that happens, I’ll only post the very rare and what I think is important link to a post in my blog.

I’m not into blogging for hits or personal fame; I’m looking forward to the election being over so I can get reaquainted with my wife and do some web surfing that doesn’t involve reading endless political tracts.

Basically, I’m not that happy that Joe Lieberman MADE me have to do this.

RevDeb #190 – you didn’t misspeak; we’re going after Joe to put the pressure on. Personally, I’d prefer to see him retire with dignity than be hounded out of politics.

Good call VG. If you pull moderator duties and that is the type of stuff you keep out, my hat’s off to you. ALL of our moderators.

On a personal note–I’ve been told that the librul party was full of homos, lizbeeyuns, cullards, and welfare cheats.

As a white, hetero, blue collar, working male, I appreciate everyone here not pointing out how weird I am.

Angie, thanks for posting the flick here with Cantor and Dru. I had seen it earlier. Cantor looks like he’s pissing in a ditch.

OFG – 235 – hey! I like you! I don’t care what the rest of ‘em say…

;-)

OT, but not really )in the grand scheme of things):
The Less You Know

CT Bob — I think any of your posts on what’s happening in the Senate and house races are always welcome. Or just stop by to say hello.

Valley Girl@210 thanks for the advice. I had planned on driving to CT four days prior to the primary, but on the day I was going to leave, the GF blew the engine in the car that I was going to drive.(Not her fault but it makes a good story)

Thanks for the encouragement to help, I have been sending money since March, but otherwise I am clueless about the nuts and bolts of getting elected.

scarecrow @ 239

CT Bob — I think any of your posts on what’s happening in the Senate and house races are always welcome. Or just stop by to say hello.

I second that. I’m very concerned at what’s happening in Connecticut.

It was a distinct pleasure to meet you, Dana! It was great to campaign with all y’all and feel the winds of change blowing thru Cary Street…

CT Bob @
154

“Dog whistle bigotry”

I’d never heard that expression before Patrex (what I call TRex’s twin brother Patrick) posted a comment on my blog about how the Lieberman supporters seemed to make a big thing about how they’d “…be happy to take Bill Clinton’s support, and let Ned Lamont have Al Sharpton’s and Jesse Jackson’s…”

I totally understand what Patrick was referring to. When I heard the statement, I instinctively knew there was something wrong; it wasn’t as obvious as a blantant racial slur, but it was insulting and demeaning none the less.

Hopefully the MSM will screw their “dog-ears” on and make a better attempt to “hear” what’s often being said by these hacks.

Dog Whistle Politics was coined to describe the way Bush salts his conversations with phrases that have currency with the wing nut Xtians, but go right by anyone who isn’t a Rapturista.

Sometimes it’s a bible passage, sometimes is a phrase that is in common usage in the mega church communities. It’s language that pushes the Vote GOP button in the wing nut droids.

Cozumel @ 222

John Casper @ 212

Off Topic Jason Leopold revealed
For anyone who wants to see what FDL moderators have to deal with, I strongly suggest you read the comments from emptywheel’s latest. Jason Leopold, pretending to be someone else, let’s loose in the tnh comments with F bombs and from there it gets worse.

I was part of the Mod Squad (sorry punaise, we used that over three years ago) on a trure crime forum. It’s a bitch, hat’s off to the mods ; )

For anyone still reading this thread, our major attack was from a disguised Kevin Cantera and we nailed his ass BUT GOOD! LOL

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..1425.shtml

-ck-

“Dog Whistle Politics was coined to describe the way Bush salts his conversations with phrases that have currency with the wing nut Xtians, but go right by anyone who isn’t a Rapturista.”

Like “culture of life”?

Never mind the death penalty, never mind Iraq, never mind Lebanon, never mind screwing up old peoples’ prescriptions, never mind taking care of unwanted babies once they are born…

LindyH @ 241

scarecrow @ 239

CT Bob — I think any of your posts on what’s happening in the Senate and house races are always welcome. Or just stop by to say hello.

I second that. I’m very concerned at what’s happening in Connecticut.

Thanks scarecrow and LindyH, I appreciate it. I’m not shy about posting here, just about putting up too many links to my own blog. I post here as often as possible, which these days, with my own blog isn’t often enough.

And, at the risk of blogwhoring again, I want to let you know that I’ve finally bought my domain name, so from here on in the blog is simply “connecticutbob.com”

I guess I was lucky, whereas “ConnecticutForLieberman.Com” was left up for grabs way too long for Joe’s idiot webmaster to reserve, and it was snagged by one of those pesky lefty bloggers.

Good thing you were there, Angie, to revive Dru after the Cantor unpleasantness.

neurophius –

‘Culture of Life’ is an overt appeal to the sex hating wing nuts — that’s something out of the Frank Luntz playbook.

‘Dog Whistle Politics’ are verbal constructs that sound like normal language to ordinary folk, but have definite and precise meanings to certain wing nut constituencies.

Google search on Bush’s Dog Whistle Politics.

And I finally changed the link on my name to reflect my new domain.

Shit, now I AM a blogwhore!

CT Bob –

It’s always great to have the latest hot NED LAMONT and LieberLoser news from CT — feel free to post links to your blog, the official and unofficial Lamont blogs, and MyLeftNutmeg. I saw that Spazeboy was cross posting at MLN from his own blog, so that’s becoming more of a go to source.

Some months ago, a couple of people on here asked me if George Allen was my former husband. Gak! Choke!

Oh, and here’s a terrific political ad for George Allen’s opponent. It reminds me of the classic Bill Hillsman videos for Jesse Ventura, Paul Wellstone, and of course, our Ned.

Here’s a completely on-topic, non-blogwhoring link that displays a brutal 30-second ad. Enjoy!

http://www.wheresgeorgeallen.com/video.html

CT Bob @ 8:55 pm (#249) – I don’t know what else the “Website” field would be for if not to put one’s website URL in it. Please feel free.

CT Bob – I don’t think you need to be concerned about blogwhoring – you’re not likely to overdo it PLUS you’re doing us a service by keeping us all informed.

Some months ago, a couple of people on here asked me if George Allen was my former husband. Gak! Choke!

Oh my God, can you imagine, karen allen? Better to be walled up as an anchorite!

Shez @ 127

Why is it that trolls never spell correctly? The poor little wingnut has no clue his total ignorance is showing, it always shows.

I know — it almost makes me think a proficiency test in English
would be a good idea. Heh.

CT Bob @ 246

LindyH @ 241

scarecrow @ 239

CT Bob — I think any of your posts on what’s happening in the Senate and house races are always welcome. Or just stop by to say hello.

I second that. I’m very concerned at what’s happening in Connecticut.

Thanks scarecrow and LindyH, I appreciate it. I’m not shy about posting here, just about putting up too many links to my own blog. I post here as often as possible, which these days, with my own blog isn’t often enough.

And, at the risk of blogwhoring again, I want to let you know that I’ve finally bought my domain name, so from here on in the blog is simply “connecticutbob.com”

I guess I was lucky, whereas “ConnecticutForLieberman.Com” was left up for grabs way too long for Joe’s idiot webmaster to reserve, and it was snagged by one of those pesky lefty bloggers.

[snark] So, LiebermanForConnecticut.Com is still available?11!!eleven!!? [/snark]

Come on, people! Where’s your civility?? I saw rude language upthread!

Back to the subject matter of this post, if I may…the transition from ‘macaca’, the Tunisian word for a monkey of N Africa, into the spurious ‘mohawk’ [puh-leese] happened only because Webb’s man, Sidharth, had swarthy skin, possibly like the people Allen’s own Tunisian mum hired as maids in his So. Cal. house when he was young. So Allen nailed his bigotry to the flag by calling Sidhartha ‘macaca’ (that dark, subhuman monkey). Now that Allen’s shit has hit the national fan, his spin maker has to to stretch that racist insult into a limpid, common expression. But how? Think ‘dark skin’, then ‘indian’, then since Sidharth was born in the USA, think ‘native indian’. Oooohhh! Mohawk! a native him “macaca”. Looks like a monkey, except for that haircut.
Jai Sidharthaji. Good on ya, mate. Mike from New Ziland.

OK We’ve got it. I didn’t know his mother was Tunisian, but then the word makes sense. As a Tunisian Jew, his mother certainly would have spoken French, more precisely Continental French:

From: http://www.languefrancaise.net…..p?id=22121

macaque macaque (demi-) ;
insulte (raciste) ; tranger (asiatique?) ; insulte (gnrique) ; qui a une sale tte, laid
Oh ! tu sais, quand on ne connat personne dans un pays, ni la langue des macaques, on ne sort gure de sa tle
frquence : 8 ~ vu : 94 fois.

Translation:

Macaque:
insult (racist): A foreigner (mainly Asian)
insult (generic): Ugly.
“You know, when you don’t know anyone in a country, nor the language of Macaques, you don’t really get out much.”

Drunk Allen at the wedding: Someone has got to have pics of him throwing meatballs at the bride & groom. I would love to see those. Did George forget this or does he think that embarrassing stuff like this won’t come out? Maybe it doesn’t concern him since his base probably has no problem with this kind of behavior.

Of course, George Allen is a bigot. And he is the one man in Washington D.C. who manages to make George W. Bush look smart.

Where in God’s name does the Republican Party find these people?

Oy mein gawt, George Allen iz a yid?

Gevalt. What a shanda.

For more background on George Allen’s ugly neo-Confederate history, see:
“George Allen’s Flag Desecration.”

For more details on how Allen fits into a larger pattern of Republican nostalgia for the Confederacy, see:
“Confederacy of Dunces.”

punaise @ 22

Rayne @
9

Francophones, please confirm for the rest of the FirePups that le mot macaque sounds phonetically like macaca when articulated en francaise.

I’d certainly pronounce it that way.

en francais macaque = “mah – kawk” as spelled (my phonetics)

Actually, it is pronounced “mah-kak”.

As a French speaker who born, and raised in Belgium, I confirm that the term “macaque” is a racial slur used against people of Algerian, Moroccan, or Tunisian origin. It is also used against Sub-Sahara Africans.

Other choice slurs include “bougnoule” or “bicot”, the latter applying exclusively to people from the Maghreb.

All three words are extremely loaded and are even more insulting that the N… word.

Allen knew exactly what he was saying. He picked up that racial slur from his mother, no doubt, since she was a “pied-noir” (French colonists in Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia). No doubt either that he knows what “bougnoule” and “bicot” mean as well. Watch for him using those the next time he sees a darker-than-lily-white person working for his opponent.

this! looks like a mohawk:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.c…..awk_photo/