FDL YES

Spock!

I thought I smelled fresh thread, and lo, here it is!

great posters – saw that on slashdot this weekend.

i posted this at gilliard, but the time for writing editorials about lieberman dropping out is OVER.

there MUST be democratic leadership action on his departure from the race – OR, force him to become a public republican and stop with the “independent democrat” bullshit.

it really is time for baseball bats and blow torches of the political persuasion variety.

lamont is already losing ground through a combination of lack-of-response and lack-of-attack. his endearing aw-shucks-isms will not cut it in the next two months. knife to a gunfight and all that.

someone’s got to start swinging that bat.

Well, I guess NARAL doesn’t need my good cash money, either.

There are lots of local, real pro-choice groups out there.

OT and EPU’d

Two Fox News journalists kidnapped in Gaza:

http://today.reuters.com/news/…..newsOne-11

Reuters and Raw story covering it so far.

ReddHedd front-page loooooooooove!

(Oh, and according to Matt, the Beltway Bubble folks think that progressive bloggers are scary. News flash: serial killers are scary. Progressive bloggers are your constituents. Learn the difference.)

Christy, if you would like to ask *ilson to put that in the biggest font we got, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings one little bit!

Don’t you know all the time and money that went into grooming Lieberman? They don’t want to just throw it all away and start over. At least not until they have to.

What’s the chance that calls will influence the NARAL leadership?

What other organizations which typically back a Democratic Party candidate still backing Lieberman.

OT – re the references to the current Israeli politician named Lieberman (or Liberman). He isn’t related to Joe. Avigdor Liberman is an emigre to Israel from Moldova. He’s perhaps the most powerful spokesperson in Israeli politics for emigres there from the former USSR. Olmert’s eclipse will be Liberman’s gain. You’ll be seeing his name a lot, as he’s a prime candidate for a cabinet post based on many coalition scenarios after the fall of the Olmert government, which will probably happen by the end of the month.

Digby agrees with Joe Klein. (No, I’m not kidding.)

I believe quantum mechanics implies that this would happen sooner or later. I just expected the universe to be little older when it happened.

Bustednuckles. @
6

OT and EPU’d

Two Fox News journalists kidnapped in Gaza:These are not kids. CAPTURED seems more appropriate for faux news staff.

http://today.reuters.com/news/…..newsOne-11

Reuters and Raw story covering it so far.

Let’s remember how much a bunch of dickweeds the rightwing blogoshpere was to Jill Carroll when she was captured and let’s not let any of their horrible tactics bleed in to this Fox story.

To be sure it is probably some local cameramen and not John Gibson or Charles Krauthammer who are in trouble.

-GSD

For a little comedy relief, let’s go back in time and revist the Bush/Coulter Republican poster girl for the ”stay the course” movement in Iraq.

I give you Congresswoman Jean Schmidt(R-Broom Over PA)

http://www.thinkprogress.org/2…..idt-shame/

the fall of the Olmert government, which will probably happen by the end of the month

Only ONE more-deservingly-of-that-fate head of government I can think of.

No. Wait. Mugabe also.

it sounds like NARAL has been “purchased” by one of the pro life groups.
like the FDA, the FCC, the CIA, the FBI, the DEA have been bought by outside influences.

what a country. what’s left of it

OT – Salon has an interview with Mike Tidwell, head of the non-partisan U.S. Climate Emergency Council. He wrote a book in 2003 predicting Katrina, and has a new one out warning, a la An Inconvenient Truth, that Miami, New York, etc. are next. Good interview, worth the day pass if you’re not a member.

The U.S. needs to encourage Israel to the negotiating table with the Palestinians and to stop bringing the world to the brink of world war. America does this with a meaningful threat to cut Israel off the U.S. taxpayer money trough. And… no more American made weapons either.

GSD @ # 13,

I’ll second that motion.

OT, but important to note: MSNBC Imus show this morning was 3 hours of support for Leiberman and puzzlement over why he should not be allowed to participate in November election, to give Conn voters a “real coice”. Keeping Lamont in the lead is going to take everything we’ve all got from here on out – Repubs not going to back down, nor are those who’ve donated big to Leiberman in the past going to let their money go down the drain.

Let’s not get tired – the fight is just entering a new phase.

I was reading the link to the article on Joe Lieberman’s most trusted advisor (Hadassah). I found this quote from her especially interesting:

“I just tell him: the best thing you have going for you is you,” Mrs. Lieberman said in a telephone interview on Friday. “What you see with Joe is what you get. And if some people don’t like it, that’s their problem. Being a leader doesn’t mean you take polls every time to tell you what to believe.”

Last I checked, he represented me. I don’t need someone representing himself. And I don’t need him taking polls. And I don’t need a father figure doing “what’s best” for me; I have one and he was a much stronger person than Holy Roman Joe.

I need a Senator to listen to his constituents and to reflect their interests. Clearly Hadassah and Joe don’t get it. I wasn’t aware I voted for Hadassah 6 years ago. Now I’m smarter.

I guess it’s “arrogance by injection”.

Marc

I am dumbfounded by the intransigence of NARAL. It’s unbelievable that they’d continue to support Lieberman. They believe undermining the Democratic Party in the federal government is the best course of action for preserving rights?

It’s clear NARAL is no longer acting as anything more than a lobbyist organization for protecting incumbents. Reproductive rights are just words on their sign to provide a unique name amongst the other lobbyists.

ET,

I didn’t mean to sound scoldy but yesterday there was a poster that was pushing the “kill ‘em all” memes against the rightwing and I ain’t having none of that fascist stuff.

This will also set us apart from the rightwing blogo-homicidal advocates, not that the media will credit us for that.

-GSD

can’t find any endorsement for Liebushman at Human Rights Campaign

https://www.hrc.org/candidateFundraising/index.cfm?fuseaction=candidateList&cfid=17234458&cftoken=74424891

can’t find any specific endorsements at the Planned Parenthood Pac site – anyone else looked in to it?

same with Natural Resources Defense Council

Shez, Kurt, *ilson — did you make it upstairs here?

Just found info that cinches for me a one-to-one relationship between VFF and Repugs, but I can’t share it due to terms of use. I’ve sent a note to a fellow researcher to see if there is anything we can do short-term about this.

In the meantime, may I suggest joining ePluribus Media?

Lamont=wheat
NARAL=chaff

Christie/Redd,

Do you have any idea what PPFA (national Planned Parenthood) has done/is doing?

I increased my donation to my local PP, and wrote a letter to Cecile Richardson at PPFA expressing my anger and disappointment with them earlier.

Keep up the good work!

“Joey, drink your water.”

“Joey, eat your sandwich.”

First, the “Joey” thing is killing me…

Second, NARAL is only hurting the cause it claims to have at heart, and why? There is no reason to think that Ned would not be a better advocate for reproductive rights, and failing to see that makes them look lazy.

Third, this GOP strategery that has Schlesinger twist in the wind is not, I don’t think, going to send droves of Republicans to vote for Joey. It also isn’t going to bring them out to vote for their own House candidates.

Last, it is important the CT voters know who is really behind a Lieberman win, and ask themselves if – with so little support from constituents – a Lieberman win will have him paying any more attention to the voters than he has over the last 6 years, and if his gratitude will benefit corporations instead of constituents.

Let’s remember how much a bunch of dickweeds the rightwing blogoshpere was to Jill Carroll when she was captured and let’s not let any of their horrible tactics bleed in to this Fox story.

To be sure it is probably some local cameramen and not John Gibson or Charles Krauthammer who are in trouble.

You know what, even if it was Hannity or Bill O’ himself, it would not matter.

I do not wish kidnapping, torture, beheading, or any of it on anyone. So, could we please all direct some prayers and good thoughts for their families and for the swift and safe return of the FOX personnel?

Please. This is humanity 101.

As the Iraqis stand up and then fall down and then stand up and then fall down and then stand up we will stand down.

Reports of massive Iraq police defection/abandonment in Fallujah. 2,000 police dissappear leaving around 100.

We’ll be standing them up until 2050.

(Snip)

Fallujah Police Lt. Mohammed Alwan said that the force, which he estimated had increased to more than 2,000, has now shrunk to only 100. Alwan said that insurgents have killed dozens of policemen in their homes and also attacked family members in a weekslong intimidation campaign.

http://www.registerguard.com/n…..tion_world

-GSD

I would like to hear what criteria NARAL uses to decide a candidate is “pro-choice”.

The right to contraception (and Plan B) is just as important to the fundamental rights of women as the right to an abortion. If NARAL doesn’t understand that, than they don’t deserve to be the front line organization for these issues.

Just looking at today’s CBS poll and the
issues that concern most Americans,or at least those polled are as follows,
War in Iraq 28%
terrorism 17%
economy&jobs 11%
price of gas 7%
immigration 4%
So if Democrats,and I include myself, should
pick our fight and stick with it!
You can bet the Bush/Cheney team already
have a plan in operation.

LHP,

Amen, again this is why I’m liberal.

-GSD

*ilbo @ 12

Bustednuckles. @
6

OT and EPU’d

Two Fox News journalists kidnapped in Gaza:These are not kids. CAPTURED seems more appropriate for faux news staff.

Reuters and Raw story covering it so far.

The comments here are not mine. I just put up the link and said who is covering the story. The comments were added after the original post on the last thread.

what lhp said.

GSD @ 32

LHP,

Amen, again this is why I’m liberal.

-GSD

And why you are a sweetheart

lhp @ 28,

I’m with you. Let’s hear it, gang.

Just left a voice message on Ms.Shipp’s line. Obviously the box isn’t full yet, so come on friends, make the call.

Told her (the machine) I was an activist with RCRC and was disturbed to hear . . . . . . and I expect a call back. Left home and cell numbers.

We’ll see if she ever calls back.

looseheadprop @ 28

Let’s remember how much a bunch of dickweeds the rightwing blogoshpere was to Jill Carroll when she was captured and let’s not let any of their horrible tactics bleed in to this Fox story.

To be sure it is probably some local cameramen and not John Gibson or Charles Krauthammer who are in trouble.

You know what, even if it was Hannity or Bill O’ himself, it would not matter.

I do not wish kidnapping, torture, beheading, or any of it on anyone. So, could we please all direct some prayers and good thoughts for their families and for the swift and safe return of the FOX personnel?

Please. This is humanity 101.

Worth repeating.

Rayne @ 24

Shez, Kurt, *ilson — did you make it upstairs here?

Just found info that cinches for me a one-to-one relationship between VFF and Repugs, but I can’t share it due to terms of use. I’ve sent a note to a fellow researcher to see if there is anything we can do short-term about this.

In the meantime, may I suggest joining ePluribus Media?

Here and done. Never visited ePluribus before, so holler if I have to do anything hehe. Userid there is “Kurt”. Yes, I’m that original! :)

Bustednuckles. @ 33

*ilbo @ 12

Bustednuckles. @
6

OT and EPU’d

Two Fox News journalists kidnapped in Gaza:These are not kids. CAPTURED seems more appropriate for faux news staff.

Reuters and Raw story covering it so far.

The comments here are not mine. I just put up the link and said who is covering the story. The comments were added after the original post on the last thread.

I wasn’t slamming you. There was some guy over the weekend saying all sorts of stuff about needing to kill conservatives or we would never win another election. I wanted to get out in front and try to head off any crap like that.

There is a world of differnce between TRex not taking any poop from trolls or Norske using his colorful metaphor or the famous Atttack, attck, attack exhortation to Dems to show some spine and call em’ as we see em’ vs. degenrating into spewing bile.

I don’t think you were doing that. I was just really hoping that for the duration of any discussion of any kidnap victim, no matter who it is, that we focus on the pain of the family waiting at home and the humanity of the person in captivity.

Always. No matter who it is.

Lhp,
And I agree with you.

I was just pointing out that my post got hijacked
By *ilbo@12.

Anne @ 11:29

Second, NARAL is only hurting the cause it claims to have at heart, and why? There is no reason to think that Ned would not be a better advocate for reproductive rights, and failing to see that makes them look lazy.

BushCo is fighting a “war on terror”…but the methods they use and they way they are running it, they are actually generating more terrorists.

NARAL is fighting a “war for reproductive rights”…but the candidates they are endorsing and the way they are running it are actually keeping reproductive rights from being protected.

Notice a pattern here? I sure do.

Innocent people don’t deserve to be in the crossfire of any conflict. Period.

Let us all hope and pray that the news people are released unharmed.

Let us all hope and pray that the cease-fire takes hold.

Let us hope and pray for peace. Period.

———
———

We are the liberals. We do not wish personal ill on others. We will win our political fights on the merits. We are the good guys.

After we squish J-Lie politically, he can crawl up into a fetal position on his own.

Another tack is to contact your local NARAL. I heard back from the local Executive Director and she didn’t seem too happy with HQ, in fact emphasized that the Washington political office has nothing to do with the local NARAL effort, promised to forward my concern to Washington.
.

I called Naral and started to talk about Joe. Very calmly.The lady who answered the phone had a sharp intake of breath and then said she had to put me through to the political line.

Transferred me to Shiply’s voicemail where I left a detailed message (including callback #) about how much better it would be to back a full pro choice candidate that has the nomination of a major party over a partial choice-no rights for rape victims-cathlic hospitals need not comply-sorta pro choice candidate without any party backing.

heh heh

Take a gander at what our strong ally Tony Blair is doing today, as the world melts down.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pag…..=&ct=5

Here is another shocking news item that I have not really seen focused on.

It is realtionship to the “stay the course” numbskullery that old Ken Mehlman was trying to distance himself from. See Thinkprogress for a great takedown of the Bush/Coulter Republican repetition of that meme.

Anyhow, in Fallujah, the police force has evaporated and there are 100 left out of the 2,000 trained after a campaign of intimidation launched by insurgent groups.

http://www.registerguard.com/n…..tion_world

At this rate, how many years will it take to “stand them up” so we can “stand down”?

This comment by e-five at TP uses stellar logic to decimate the “cut and run” meme.

(Snip)

This war has already lasted longer than the Spanish-American War, the Mexican-American War, the Korean War, and US participation in World War I. How in the world is beginning a year-long process of troop removal “cutting and running?” Anything short of permanent war and occupation of Iraq is “cutting and running” to these bloodthirty imbiciles.

Comment by e_five — August 14, 2006 @ 2:02 pm

-GSD

Yes I’m here Rayne, the grandson was dropped off unexpectedly until around 6 pm so my attention is divided at the moment. ;)

But very interesting, I can only imagine what else you have dug up and I hope some of the info we’ve uncovered today over that full page ad in the Courant butt kissing LieberLiar and related to the swiftboaters makes it to Lamont HQ.

When it comes to this thread I’m sure you know I’m mulling over a special certain graphic I’ve been saving. These people are pissing me off.

Good job, Kurt. If you get asked for any references, use me. Be sure to read the Terms of Use/User Policy carefully; by joining ePM you are a citizen journalist working with folks who are trying to ensure high(er) standards of reporting.

I think there’s a story here that you and ePM user luaptifer could work on together. Would get published on front page at ePM as well as at DailyKos. Once you see luaptifer’s work you’ll understand how all the pieces fit.

GSD — the Iraq Kerfuffle has gone on longer than the War of 1812 and has more casualties too !

20 things you can do to safeguard an election:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/toolkit.pdf

OK,

Lookit Tony Blair. I expected to see him rearranging the deck chairs.

-GSD

Oklahoma Kiddo #47 – he has learned well from the chimp

I think a lot of liberal interest groups have a habit of selling off their endorsements at a flat rate to incumbents — vote with us on this many issues, and we’ll endorse you no matter what. They offer incumbents these deals because incumbents tend to stay in power, and they want to stay in good with powerful people.

This may have worked out okay in the past (I don’t know the history very well.) But this is one of the cases where the strategy is totally counterproductive.

looseprophead said:

“over a partial choice-no rights for rape victims-cathlic hospitals need not comply-sorta pro choice candidate without any party backing.”

Have you checked in with Ken Mehlman and Tony Snow on that within the past few hours?

Mail to HRC – the Human Rights Campaign

From: Tim Wayne
Date: August 14, 2006 11:47:42 AM PDT
To: hrc@hrc.org
Subject: Endorsements

Greetings,

Is HRC officially supporting Democrat Ned Lamont or Independent Joe Lieberman for the general election this November?

Thanks,

Tim Wayne

——
http://timmy.vox.com/
——

Marc at 20: Well said.

lhp at 28: A-men.

Ahhh…a big pot of Typhoo tea has just finished brewing. Life is good.

Journalists kidnapped? After poor Dan Pearl you can’t be human and hear that without it making your stomach knot. Prayers for them and their families.

After reading Suskind’s claims that the US did bomb the al-Jazeera office in Iraq deliberately; and following all the journalists that the Iraq war has left dead or wounded, including many shot when cameras were claimed to have been ; then seeing the assaults lined up here at home against freedom of the press our Justice dept being maneuvered to take criminal action against journalists who exposed illegal govt programs; it is all a very sobering picture.

Some days it seems like there are no good guys left, anywhere. Here’s hoping that the people who took the journalists have some soul left and turn them loose soon.

Ed Teller

You too bro? I am waiting with baited breath for the announcement that Joe has switched parties and somehow gotten the Rep ballot line.

I haven’t had time to research any COnn election law, but in NYS you have to get the party chair to sign a “Wilson-Pikula” petition to give the ballot line to someone of another party.

Cross endorsements, except in a very few and fairly obvious cases, are usually the ULTIMATE in smoke filled backroom deals.

Al D’ Amato tries to broker at least one every cycle here in the empire state

RevDeb@44 Sorry to disagree but I wish personal ill on lot of people involved in this mess. The people who have committed mass murder, war crimes, subversion of the Constitution and other felonies should be brought to justice.

Oh Jesus.

Tucker Carlson to be on “dancing with the Stars”.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/dancing/

-GSD

if you hit F5, you’ll see some comments have been deleted.

“Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord.” The rest of us will have to wait.

*ilson46201 @ 51

GSD — the Iraq Kerfuffle has gone on longer than the War of 1812 and has more casualties too !

Small quibble:

Isn’t kerfuffle a word the RW uses to minimize serioius matters, because it equates to dust-up?

NARAL seems also not to have calculated what the fallout will be by backing Lieberman if (when) he drops from the race. He is not going to stay in it unless the GOP shove tons of money at him, in which case NARAL won’t look too good. They are backing a rogue candidate who probably won’t go the distance, and certainly is drawing a lot of support from the party most opposed to NARAL’s purported mission. Talk about squandering your capital (both money and political).

(By the way, every liberal voice should be getting Lieberman to reaffirm his supposed pro-choice credentials so the rank and file republicans will be turned off.)

OT -

For the third time in the last four days, Keene resident Russell Kanning finds himself in Federal custody. The 36-year-old libertarian activist isn’t in trouble for selling drugs, threatening officials or endangering anyone. Instead, he’s the target of Federal wrath because he attempted to enter the Keene IRS office with…a piece of paper.

http://www.keenefreepress.com/…..;Itemid=36

Steve @ 63

RevDeb@44 Sorry to disagree but I wish personal ill on lot of people involved in this mess. The people who have committed mass murder, war crimes, subversion of the Constitution and other felonies should be brought to justice.

I’m totally with you on the justice.

Do I personally wish for a lot of folks to be creamed one way or another—yes. Do I do it online—no.

Just added an update above and wanted to be certain everyone saw it:

PS — Do you know if your Senator supports Ned Lamont? If you have Democratic Senators and they haven’t taken a public position as yet, isn’t it time they did? Bob Geiger has provided a handy fill-in-the-blank press release for wavering Senators on vacation. Call yours now and tell them to support Ned — publicly! And since it is Congressional recess time, and lots of them are home campaigning at county fairs and senior centers and the like — why not call a local office, get scheduling information and ask them in person. I’m sure they’d love to hear directly from a constituent.

JOOC*?

1) is anybody else having trouble accessing Atrios and
2) the way that the Hezbollah is morphing into the middle-eastern equivalent of the worst of the vc and the nva?

but of course, all comparisons between SE asia and SW asia are specious…

just askin?
.

*JOOC = Just Out Of Curiousity

MyDD may have a lead on getting a video of George Allen and his “mis-statement” (?) They are promising more soon.

Rayne, I’d sign up for the spreadsheet from Matt Stoller but my computer is running on dialup (ouch). I’m sure there’s all kinds of stuff that could be figured out from the financials!

. . . and your little dog, too @ 65

*ilson46201 @ 51

GSD — the Iraq Kerfuffle has gone on longer than the War of 1812 and has more casualties too !

Small quibble:

Isn’t kerfuffle a word the RW uses to minimize serioius matters, because it equates to dust-up?

the ironic use of kerfuffle is a tad more classy than brouhaha. The War on Iraq is a slaughter, a butchery, massive war criminality and war profiteering, a debacle, …

Steve @ 63

RevDeb@44 Sorry to disagree but I wish personal ill on lot of people involved in this mess. The people who have committed mass murder, war crimes, subversion of the Constitution and other felonies should be brought to justice.

Yeah, brought to JUSTICE with all their civil rights intact, convicted by a jury of their peers after a trial with full due process.

Not self help. Not street justice. Not us destroying our own souls with poisonous thoughts.

Upright resistance? yes.

In your face, don’t you try to lie to me motherfucker, accountability? oh yes (hear that Chertoff?).

War crimes trials? Hey, I may volunteer to take a prosecution pro bono.

But don’t waste you time, energy and otherwise good karma by hating them, it only diminishes you. Oppose what they do, don’t sink to their level.

konopelli at 70 — yep, I’m having trouble getting Eschaton to load today as well. Might be a blogspot issue. Finally got the page to load a few minutes ago, but it took a couple of refreshes. HTH!

“but of course, all comparisons between SE asia and SW asia are specious…“

It’s dry heat in the MidEast !

Now the post Israeli/Lebanon spin war begins.

From Hizbollah’s Nasrallah:

Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said Monday that his guerrillas achieved a “strategic, historic victory” against Israel -a declaration that prompted celebratory gunfire across the Lebanese capital.

From the Israeli’s:

“Israel’s prime minister, however, maintained the offensive eliminated the “state within a state” run by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.”

The point goes to Hizbullah. If Olmert had truly “eliminated the state within a state” Nasrallah would not be holding press-conferences to ballyhoo his and Hizbollahs’ continued existence.

-GSD

WaPo has the George Allen story now.

I just called Shipp’s office, left a message.
Called the main number and they transferred me to Shipp again. I called back and asked if there was anyone that would talk to me. Told they had instructions to put all calls regarding Lieberman to that number. She admitted they are getting lots of calls – she was really short with me, sounds like the calls are getting through to them.

Tim Wayne, Joe is NOT the “Independent” in this race — somebody whose name I’ve read but don’t recall is. Joe is the CFL candidate, and it’s a party of two, both named Lieberman.

Marc @
20

I was reading the link to the article on Joe Lieberman’s most trusted advisor (Hadassah). I found this quote from her especially interesting:

“I just tell him: the best thing you have going for you is you,” Mrs. Lieberman said in a telephone interview on Friday. “What you see with Joe is what you get. And if some people don’t like it, that’s their problem. Being a leader doesn’t mean you take polls every time to tell you what to believe.”

Last I checked, he represented me. I don’t need someone representing himself. And I don’t need him taking polls. And I don’t need a father figure doing “what’s best” for me; I have one and he was a much stronger person than Holy Roman Joe.

I need a Senator to listen to his constituents and to reflect their interests. Clearly Hadassah and Joe don’t get it. I wasn’t aware I voted for Hadassah 6 years ago. Now I’m smarter.

Haddassah fancies herself Lady MacBeth.

She should reread that play. This is not going to turn out well for her, or for MacLieberego.

When the ghost of Gore/Lieberman 2000 shows up at your banquet, don’t say I didna warn ya, lassie.

when I read that NYTimes story about Hadassah Lieberman, I kept wondering what Lady MacBeth’s first name was …

(Oh, and according to Matt, the Beltway Bubble folks think that progressive bloggers are scary. News flash: serial killers are scary. Progressive bloggers are your constituents. Learn the difference.)

Holy shit Christy I just snorted iced coffee all over myself reading that one. You gotta give me a warning when dropping snark of that magnitude, it’s just not safe.

And you’re 100% right.

P J Evans — if you think it would be faster by email than by download from MyDD, email me and I’ll send it along.

*ilson — as my stepson reminded me this morning about the heat in the middle east (proximate Tirkuk), it’s a gallon-of-water-every-90-minutes kind of heat.

[sigh]

oh joy, chimpy is about to flap his gums at the state dept. regarding the ME

GSD @ 63

Oh Jesus.

Tucker Carlson to be on “dancing with the Stars”.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/dancing/

-GSD

What a tool! That is so, so wrong. Um, which one is the star in that couple?

Juan Cole drops this one liner today:

People like Cheney and Bush don’t understand people’s movements or how they can win.

FDL does! (Even if the DSCC sheeple are timid and reluctant to commit to change.)

Damn. Got Planned Parenthood mailer today.

I’m only giving directly to candidates from here on out. Period.

*ilson46201 @ 73

. . . and your little dog, too @ 65
The War on Iraq is a slaughter, a butchery, massive war criminality and war profiteering, a debacle, …

Dang it. Didn’t catch the irony. Not operating on all cylinders today. :(

RevDeb @ 68

Steve @ 63

RevDeb@44 Sorry to disagree but I wish personal ill on lot of people involved in this mess. The people who have committed mass murder, war crimes, subversion of the Constitution and other felonies should be brought to justice.

I’m totally with you on the justice.

Do I personally wish for a lot of folks to be creamed one way or another—yes. Do I do it online—no.

I’ve been jerked around by some world class assholes in my time. 25 years ago, I was unfairly forced to resign from a job I thought I loved by a truly despicable guy. I remember telling my wife at the time that I was so pissed I felt I could kill the guy.

I didn’t. Five years later, he bumped into me in a restaurant. After an uncomfortable moment, he apologized for what he’d done earlier. Late last month, I read his obituary – he died of cancer. He’s not the only bastard I’ve outlasted. And I’m determined to outlast a lot more of them, including the idiots we’re so fond of dissing here.

But one thing I learned from this particular butthead and from others is that you can’t let disgust and hatred consume you. Karma and inevitability will take care of the O’Reillys, Coulters, Goldbergs, Hannitys, Boltons and Bushes of our world. Trust me on this.

Meanwhile, AAARRRGGGHHH!

Tim Wayne — try http://www.CT4Joe.com or http://www.ConnecticutForLieberman.com or http://www.WhinyJoe.com

Matt at 83 — hehehehehe Sorry. (Okay, not really. But I do feel for your keyboard…)

Rayne @ 85

*ilson — as my stepson reminded me this morning about the heat in the middle east (proximate Tirkuk), it’s a gallon-of-water-every-90-minutes kind of heat.

[sigh]

Or, as I reminded people when they talked about Arizona’s dry heat, it’s the kind of heat you can bake bricks in.

Rayne @ 89

Damn. Got Planned Parenthood mailer today.

I’m only giving directly to candidates from here on out. Period.

I’ve been telling the dialing for dollars folks that my political giving is all going through the progressive blogs now. End of story.

If you want to give money to those who need clinic access, NNAF is a good one.

Every time I see the “CFL” designation for Lieberman, all I can think of is the Canadian Football League; Joey’s the guy who could never in a million years make the team and is now the one squirting Gator-Ade in the players’ mouths and collecting their sweaty towels.

looseheadprop @ 74

Steve @ 63

RevDeb@44 Sorry to disagree but I wish personal ill on lot of people involved in this mess. The people who have committed mass murder, war crimes, subversion of the Constitution and other felonies should be brought to justice.

Yeah, brought to JUSTICE with all their civil rights intact, convicted by a jury of their peers after a trial with full due process.

Not self help. Not street justice. Not us destroying our own souls with poisonous thoughts.

Upright resistance? yes.

In your face, don’t you try to lie to me motherfucker, accountability? oh yes (hear that Chertoff?).

War crimes trials? Hey, I may volunteer to take a prosecution pro bono.

But don’t waste you time, energy and otherwise good karma by hating them, it only diminishes you. Oppose what they do, don’t sink to their level.

Every. Word. A. Treasure. And. The. Whole. A. Manifesto.

And you know what, GSD? The same goes for you.

I always forget what NARAL stands for. I know it’s something like Not Advocating Really Anything Lately or Never Anti-Republican Anti-Lieberman but I can’t remember for sure.

E*T @ 91

But one thing I learned from this particular butthead and from others is that you can’t let disgust and hatred consume you. Karma and inevitability will take care of the O’Reillys, Coulters, Goldbergs, Hannitys, Boltons and Bushes of our world. Trust me on this.

Meanwhile, AAARRRGGGHHH!

Same for me. In my business, I’ve had all sorts of people project their stuff on to me and it has on occasion done me harm, professionally and personally. Ultimately, they all get it back in their face one way or another, and not by me. It has just worked out that way.

Karma can be a bitch.

Molly Ivins isn’t mincing any words either. Glad she’s on our side.

Rayne: it isn’t e-mail vs download, it’s fast vs very slow. I can borrow a friend’s DSL line, I think, but not today. (e-mail: primary pj dot evans at usa dot net, secondary (more space at the moment) pj dot evans dot gen at usa dot net (it’s my genealogy department).

Karma can be a bitch.
And has very sharp teeth and a long memory.

George Allen’s camp is spinning and spinning. The Webb kid said he was the only non-white there.

Brave George Felix Allen brings on ridicule to a 20 year in front of 100 of his lapdog followers.

Allen’s folks saying that Allen meant to call him “Mohwawk”, not “Moo-caca”. Oops, another racial term.

-GSD

Looseheadprop@74 Hate is an emotion without without reason. It is the emotion that drives the wingnuts to vote against their economic self interest and destroy the future for their children. The damage being done now to our country cannot be undone. The totalitarian legal precedents that are being established can never be undone but they can be blunted by use of the criminal justice system. For me, when we retake the gov’t, the worst thing for the future of our country would be broad pardons given in the name of national unity or “healing”.

the high in Baghdad was 117ºF today … it’s down to 98ºF right now — the Minister of Electricity and associates just got busted for corruption which explains why the airconditioners dont work : no regular electricity!

don’t you think you guys are being a little bit ridiculous? NARAL isn’t a partisan organization… and if they (or any other not for profit) had a policy of not choosing to endorse the incumbent when the incumbent is good on their issue, regardless of the fact that the challenger is good on the same issue too… then what power would any organization have to lobby once election season is over?

It’s not like they are the DSCC… that’s entirely different.

forgot to mention — relative humidity in Baghdad is 18% right now

MSNBC – Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut will be able to raise the funds necessary to mount an campaign to keep his Senate seat, both Democratic and Republican donors say.

meet me half way @ 104

don’t you think you guys are being a little bit ridiculous? NARAL isn’t a partisan organization… and if they (or any other not for profit) had a policy of not choosing to endorse the incumbent when the incumbent is good on their issue, regardless of the fact that the challenger is good on the same issue too… then what power would any organization have to lobby once election season is over?

It’s not like they are the DSCC… that’s entirely different.

Many people (including me) believe that Sen. Leiberman has not been good on this issue, so that it is not simply a question of apples and apples.

RevDeb @ 68

Steve @ 63

RevDeb@44 Sorry to disagree but I wish personal ill on lot of people involved in this mess. The people who have committed mass murder, war crimes, subversion of the Constitution and other felonies should be brought to justice.

I’m totally with you on the justice.

Do I personally wish for a lot of folks to be creamed one way or another—yes. Do I do it online—no.

I don’t understand that. What is wrong with wishing a group of war criminals who are doing all they can to destroy our republic and our liberty ill online. I want them impeached, I want them shamed before our country and the world, I want them tried and convicted, I want them stripped of their possessions and privledged positions and finally to quote my dear old mom; I want to lock them up and throw away the key.

DUH! my 106 – didnt see it was linked in CHS post. remove @ will

GSD–

Looks like Georgie has nice racist slurs for jest about everbody!

he’s just got to make himself a nice white hood to cover up his smarmalade grin and ruddy jowls.

bwahahahahahah– his true nature is eclipsing the facade!

GO WEBB!

OT Rayne – from last thread. There were stories about the Nigeria thing in 2004/05 as well, mostly UK stories though, that all mentioned Cheney but got very little press here.

IMO, that story hanging around (and I think the Serious Fraud Off. there started up their investigation on a referral from DOJ here??) should have made for some journalists asking questions when Cheney jumped on the cover up for Jeffereson bandwagon here. At least maybe a question to the FBI about whether the Jefferson investigation is in any way related to the investigaton of the Hallburton affiliate for Nigerian bribes.

Just the question would have been nice. I also never really heard anything about why the local USAtty recused. I thought someone would say something – I’m thinking it is pretty innocuous, but it’s one of the questions you’d have liked to have seen at least asked.

Steve @ 102

Looseheadprop@74 Hate is an emotion without without reason. It is the emotion that drives the wingnuts to vote against their economic self interest and destroy the future for their children. The damage being done now to our country cannot be undone. The totalitarian legal precedents that are being established can never be undone but they can be blunted by use of the criminal justice system. For me, when we retake the gov’t, the worst thing for the future of our country would be broad pardons given in the name of national unity or “healing”.

Steve, Honey,

Who’s talkin’ bought pardons?? Darlin’ i am a law and order prop. Trial with full due process,conviction on admissable evidence by vote of a jury, sentence imposed by a real article 3 judge.

Pardon’s are not on the table in PropWorld.

Klyde @110:

I don’t understand that. What is wrong with wishing a group of war criminals who are doing all they can to destroy our republic and our liberty ill online. I want them impeached, I want them shamed before our country and the world, I want them tried and convicted, I want them stripped of their possessions and privledged positions and finally to quote my dear old mom; I want to lock them up and throw away the key.

That is what justice is all about! Yep, let them get what is coming to them in a court of law. We will have to work hard to get those courts working again, but that’s why we are here and doing what we are doing.

meet me half way at 104 — you know, that might be an accurate sentiment if Lieberman hadn’t been undermining his pseudo-pro-choice classification pretty much constantly the last two years. How do you justify NARAL supporting a quasi-pro choice candidate over a fully pro-choice candidate? Lieberman doesn’t fully support Plan B contraceptives for rape victims, he voted FOR cloture for Alito, he has taken little bites out of a number of pro-choice stances over the lats few years, and NARAL is looking the other way because they have decided that the little details do not count. Ned Lamont does not do this, and yet NARAL hasn’t bothered to even interview him or consider his candidacy whatsoever.

So, no. I don’t think we are being ridiculous. At a time when choice is being threatened substantially nationwide, I don’t think it is too much to ask that an organization whose sole mission is supporting pro-choice issues would actually support the fully pro-choice candidate — Ned Lamont.

lhp@74 -Amen, and you scared me into finding my old parking ticket and paying it ASAP.

Cujo&Digby/Klein – I’m going with the chaos theory over quantumM on this one. ;)

Hugh @ 97

I always forget what NARAL stands for. I know it’s something like Not Advocating Really Anything Lately or Never Anti-Republican Anti-Lieberman but I can’t remember for sure.

I’m sitting here (slightly damp) thinking that there has got to be a better way. Enough of single-issue groups jerking their supporters around with bullshit endorsements. Enough reducing of important political messaging to the metrics of “scorecards” and “voting records.” This is all wrong.

If people support an issue that support should not be limited to the assessments of a few people at the head of an organization. I’d challenge NARAL to find one donor in Connecticut who believes that despite losing the primary election, Joe Lieberman deserves their continued support. Or, to put it another way, what does NARAL normally do when the candidate they endorse loses a primary election? Do they continue to pump money and support into the candidate while he’s home washing the dishes or playing with her kids? Or do they get behind the winning candidate if they, too, are strongly in favor of reproductive rights? NARAL is giving Lieberman special treatment in just the same way as Lieberman is giving Lieberman special treatment.

I for one would rather give my money to an organization that worked for a broad-base of progressive issues and protected the rights of Americans, reproductive or otherwise, through supporting the right candidates and upholding election results. I’ve never felt strongly towards incorporating the Roots Project before, but this would be one hell of a good reason. Democracy is about giving people a choice and we have to start looking to provide that choice when supporting issue advocacy.

I and countless other people on this site have worked their asses off helping Ned Lamont win the CT primary. Joe Lieberman gave us the finger by ignoring the results. Whatever. I expected that from a selfish careerist like Joe. But from NARAL? It’s simply infuriating. They can never expect a cent from me. Ever. They’ve just made themselves 100% irrelevant to democratic discourse. The scary thing is that I think there may be more groups adding themselves to that list before long.

The problem with this all is that it means that issue advocacy that needs to take place will not be happening in effective ways. We need an alternative.

meet me half way @ 104

don’t you think you guys are being a little bit ridiculous? NARAL isn’t a partisan organization… and if they (or any other not for profit) had a policy of not choosing to endorse the incumbent when the incumbent is good on their issue, regardless of the fact that the challenger is good on the same issue too… then what power would any organization have to lobby once election season is over?

It’s not like they are the DSCC… that’s entirely different.

Half-way, you miss these points: that RGJoe voted for cloture on Alito, RGJoe is a charter member of the Gang of 14 that allowed anti-choice GOP judges onto the Federal bench, and RGJoe made the “short-ride” comment during an instate debate about state funding for hospitals that won’t offer Plan B, an arena where his comment wasn’t even solicited.

These are not the actions of someone 100% pro-choice, as any objective non-scorecarding voter can see.

Ned is BETTER than RGJoe on NARAL’s single issue. There’s simply no excuse for NARAL to continue to support RGJoe — except that they are a jockstrap for the Incumbency Festival.

Oliver Willis @ 106

No Clues, They’re NARAL

NARAL continues to endorse Independent candidate Joe Lieberman. Previously, they at least had some idea that should he win, Joe Lieberman would vote for Democratic pro-choice leadership in the Senate. Now that he has rid himself of his party affiliation,

He is NOT an Independent candidate—there is an Independent party in CT and he is not a member.

He is one of 2 members of the CT for Lieberman party (note over and over again that it is not the Lieberman for CT party).

This Independent Democrat stuff is just crap. He’s a member of the Joe for Joe party of 2 (him and his wife).

NARAL PAC owes the Democratic nominee for senate in CT , Ned Lamont at least an interview and then an endorsement. Period.

Well. Thanks for that WaPo Allen link, RevDeb.

What shall we spread him with — butter? oleo? perhaps some nice ghee?

Darlin’ I am a law and order prop.

Among the best lines ever.

George Felix Allen, Junior: Bully

Yep, let them get what is coming to them in a court of law.

I remember those. From back in the goodoldays.

Wonder how many of the suspects the UK is releasing that Bush has authorized for kidnap and rendition?

GSD -

Oh Jesus.

Tucker Carlson to be on “dancing with the Stars”.

I saw that this morning and thought, “oh how the mighty have fallen”… but then thought, “mighty? nah….”

Imman – go look at the end of the weekend Snark thread and you will find evidence of the yellow tie smoking gun.

looseheadprop@112 “Steve-honey” you just made a 63yr old guy’s day. Re-pardons, they were not on the table with Nixon,but we had to get Watergate behind us and now they are back, even worse.

OK, I was just at the Whiskey Bar drinking Billmon’s expectations that we will be nuking Iran soon. How is everyone else?

lotus @ 120

Well. Thanks for that WaPo Allen link, RevDeb.

What shall we spread him with — butter? oleo? perhaps some nice ghee?

Ghee-Wiz ?

chimpster currently yapping on cspan2, msnbc, cnn, cnnhn, cnbc, and yes, fox

I just thank the lord that Mr Truett is looking out for our interests:

A protester staked out the home of a Muslim candidate for the Maryland House of Delegates, holding a sign and wearing a T-shirt that mocked Islam.

Timothy Truett sat in a folding chair Saturday on the cul-de-sac outside Saqib Ali’s home in Gaithersburg with a sign reading “Islam sucks,” and a shirt with the slogan, “This mind is an Allah-free zone.”

Montgomery County police sent a trespass notification form to Truett warning that he would be subject to arrest on trespassing charges if he steps onto Ali’s property within the next year.

Truett called his protest “an experiment,” explaining: “I had heard that Muslims were generally intolerant of views other than their own, and so I thought I would put it to the test.”

OfT
This is not by emptywheel, but I still think it is relevant
Will the AFL-CIO back Lieberman?
by emptypockets
“Senator Joe Lieberman (Lieberman-CT) has gotten his beleaguered website back on-line, and there is something fishy on it. Or rather, in it. Many websites contain “metadata” which is not shown in your web browser but is used by search engines to help categorize and prioritize the page. Here is the metadata “description” tag for joe2006.com:

Joe Lieberman is known as a Democrat who works across party lines to find common ground, who speaks his conscience, and who gets things done for his constituents and his country, AFL-CIO endorses Sen. Joseph Lieberman

and here are the metadata “keywords,” also used by search engines to categorize the site:

Joe Lieberman, Lieberman, Senator, Union, AFL-CIO, endorse

What’s fishy is that this version of joe2006.com is clearly rewritten for the general election — and, to the best of my knowledge, AFL-CIO hasn’t endorsed anyone for the general….”

OldCoastie @
123

GSD -

Oh Jesus.

Tucker Carlson to be on “dancing with the Stars”.

I saw that this morning and thought, “oh how the mighty have fallen”… but then thought, “mighty? nah….”

I wonder what star he will dance with?

Lamont’s victory in the primary has given us a treasure trove of information regarding who is with the Democratic party and who is against it. This is as important as the victory itself.

OT

Baby Mittens update for Lotus:

Baby M has gotten to what we call the “wind up toy” stage of puppyhood. She is up on all 4’s and runs by throwing both front legs forward then both back legs, just like a wind up toy.

She now has 3 tiny little puppy sized tennis balls, a hard rubber ball witha jingle bell inside and a teeny weeny Booda Bone (which is basically a lenth of heavy ropw with knots at either end that dogs chew on)

She has started carrying her toys around in her mouth. Because her mother kept opening up the wound on her back she is already weaned and eating stage one gerber babay meat and puppy formula. She loves big puppy food.

Her father, grandma and aunts have really taken over her care since mommy dog it still nuts. Mommy dog hovers nearby looking worried, but the older bitches keep the puppy clean and her daddy, who barely done being a puppy himself spends all his time playing with her.

Her great grandpa is terrified of the pupppy, so of course, he is the total object of her affection and she waits till the poor old guy falls asleeep and then pounces on his tail or ears.

It’s very funny and sweet. Although she is only 4 weeks old, she seems to have the idea about being housebroken b/c she keeps sneeking out any open door and immediatley piddling when she gets outside and then marches back to the doorway to re enter. Of course all our doors are one or more steps up, so although she can fall down the step to get out, she has not yet figured out how to get back in.

She is very good at sneaking out by walking completely under another dog b/c she knows we don’t want her outside. my great fear is that she will pull this stunt in the evening.

Whe have great horned owls in our woods and she is still small enough to get scooped up.

I will see if I can get some help from not yet Ex h taking and posting another picture this week. other than the wound on her back, she is stunningly beautiful

PJE – that Ivins piece is a keeper. I think, though, that it came out before the recent AIPAC decision.

If so, Molly has to be even more concerned now.

M4N — I never doubted you about the tie thing.

Jerry/Tony? Did Jerry have issues “down there” as well?

TeddySanFran @ 121

George Felix Allen, Junior: Bully

and Moron. So did notorious racist George Felix Allen pick up this nasty slur at the knee of his French speaking mother?

Macaque – Belgium (French) – an Arab or a Negro; derived from macaque monkeys
http://dictionary.laborlawtalk.com/ethnic_slur#M

You have to love the unintentional irony behind NARAL’s announcement. They are continuing to support Joe because they are a non partisan organization. This is patently untrue. They are showing themselves to be fierce partisans of the Incumbency Party of which Joe is an esteemed member.

By the way — snaps for Christy. I forwarded your post to three of my colleagues and all — long time NARAL donors — have agreed to quit sending them money and one has promised a “Fuck you for supporting Leiberman” letter explaining her an dher family’s change of heart.

Considering Allen knew he was being filmed, I would add : “Drunk Bully.”

shorter Bush – Hezzbolah! Iran! Hezzbolah! Iran! Scary! Really, really scary!

LindaR 131 – he he…

How long after a chimp speech do the transcripts go up on the WH site? anyone know?

immanentize,

If Lebanon was supposed to be a dry run for Iran (which I doubt), Israel’s lack of success there can not a positive sign for them.

Did Cheney Go Too Far? http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00528.html
*By Dan Froomkin

Steve @ 125

looseheadprop@112 “Steve-honey” you just made a 63yr old guy’s day. Re-pardons, they were not on the table with Nixon,but we had to get Watergate behind us and now they are back, even worse.

Sugar,

Here’s our job for the next couple years:
1) take back one or more houses of Congress
2)infuse our congresscrtters with calcium so they cangrow a freakinn backbone or two and start some menainful hearings and investigations
3) make sure the results of those hearings and investigations are truthfully reported in the MSM
4) make sure that where appropriate genuine criminal investigations and prosecutions are conducted. If Abu can’t/won’t do it, there are alwys Special Counsels/Special Prosecutors/IPSIGS to do the job (poor Fitz he will be worked to death)
5) protect our voting systems from fraud and Hijacking
6) “Help” the democratic party not to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by nomitating yet another consultant ridden tube of toothpaste as our presidential candidate

Actually electing a presidential candidate of our choice should be a piece of cake if we can accomplish these other tasks.

twolf1 @ 143

How long after a chimp speech do the transcripts go up on the WH site? anyone know?

As soon as they translate it back to english.

boy, I tell ya’ – all this war business sure makes w’s testicles grow… (either that or he’s putting a little extra cocaine up his nose)

chimpy just claimed hezbollah suffered a defeat in the war. However, hours ago, the hezbollah leader claimed victory and there were fireworks in the streets.

Bustednuckles. @ 147

twolf1 @ 143

How long after a chimp speech do the transcripts go up on the WH site? anyone know?

As soon as they translate it back to english.

lol, does koko do that for them?

I wonder what star he will dance with?

http://myspace-165.vo.llnwd.ne…..0165_m.jpg

Mary for now @ 116

lhp@74 -Amen, and you scared me into finding my old parking ticket and paying it ASAP.

Cujo&Digby/Klein – I’m going with the chaos theory over quantumM on this one. ;)

OMG. (but then again, I moughta knowed it’d be Mary’s doin’)

First time ever, ladies & gents:

DOUBLE 707!!!

Wow. That’s some article on Mrs. Lieberman. That sort of Mommy/Daddy public display between couples has always made me uncomfortable. So I guess we now have Mr. MeMe and Mrs. YouYou. Nice. What is there left to say?

The term “avid party activists” is their code word for left wing zealot. They are marginalizing people who support Lamont.

by the way Israel, how are those high walls built on conquered land working out against rockets?

LHP @148

I’m with you all the way.

I’d just move #5 up to the top and then all else will follow. . . .

with a lot of work on our part, of course.

Dru,

Ow. When I heard that angle of the slur I thought it was a stretch. But that little bit of history is damning. Georgie thought he was being too sly by one.

Oh, this ones going to hurt.

My advice to the Allen camp, start filling sand-bags, there’s going to be lots of incoming fire.

-GSD

*Applauding* Christy and Matt, two beautiful smack downs. I don’t trust a word that comes out of LieberLiar’s mouth, his actions have certainly betrayed him. Putting Strip Search Sammy on the bench for the next 20-30 years is a 19th century blow to women everywhere.

I strongly suspect ‘meet me half way’ has no clue who Geri Santoro is, nor owns a uterus. Take a peek mmhw:
http://www.womenonwaves.org/po…..abel=FIG01

Please pay attention to the fact she died in Connecticut. That’s not irony, it’s a crying shame, that any woman has to die like that or that NARAL is insisting on backing someone who deep down doesn’t care that she did. LieberLiar has betrayed our Democratic Party, America, and now NARAL is betraying us. How dare you call us or our concern and insight on this issue as being ‘ridiculous’.

OldCoastie @ 149

boy, I tell ya’ – all this war business sure makes w’s testicles grow… (either that or he’s putting a little extra cocaine up his nose)

We used to have a saying in the Navy… after about four months in to a six month deployment:

“lakanookie” make you brave!

:-)

Mary 4 now

A) why the name change?

B) I can’t believe you got a parking ticket! Not you *g*

doesn’t Bush seem a little extra hyper this morning?

OldCoastie @ 161

doesn’t Bush seem a little extra hyper this morning?

He’s having trouble finding words — a little more than normal. It’s hard work talkin’… hard work i tell ya.

What a thread!

After reading this, I’d just love to see CHS and looseheadprop teamed up in court against Abu, Yoo, and Associates.

If Mary is scared into paying her old parking tickets . . . wow!

Oh and Mary

the yellow tie thing? Priceless. You realize you have almost singlehandedly taken yellow ties out of male fashion?

Who wants to wear an item that signals “I am a liar”? it’s kinda like to black and read bracelets the kids wear to “signal”

looseheadprop@146 I agree with your outline,however, we do need to stop Alberto from getting the immunity card from Congress. He is a shill, but in his dim brain he knows that under US law, he and others have committed capital crimes.

I find myself thinking that spending so much time on the guy who lost the primary is sucking a lot of energy out of the fight to get Ned elected as the next Senator from Connecticut. I realize that it’s happening because the guy won’t accept the results of the election, and we are being forced to deal with his presence, but I still think we need to re-focus on Ned, and the force for change that Ned can be.

We don’t like Joe – but we already knew that, and the reasons we had before the primary are still there, and we’ve added a few more since his selfish and damaging decision to pretend this is a football game with two halves, instead of a tournament where losing means you’re supposed to go home.

We need this to be about Ned, and Ned needs to establish himself as more than just “not Joe.” Talk about what Ned is for, talk about what Ned would do differently from what has been done, talk about what we should be doing as we move forward – how to be safer, how better to spend the money, how to restore some luster to our reputation around the world, how to bring some stability to the Middle East. Talk about the kids and the schools. The more he establishes who he is, the more Joe will fade into the background.

As for those endorsements…I still think an ad that has local members of these groups all talking about how the national office does not speak for them would go a long way to neutralizing, for one, the NARAL endorsement, and any others that continue to stand with Joey.

shorter Bush – “Hezzbollah defeated! We solved the terror plot in Britain!”

all while acting like he drank 5 pots of coffee…

ps We all need to pray every night to any and all Gods for the continued good health of Justice Stevens.

lhp — THANK YOU for my long-overdue Baby M fix! So happy wif it, I’m emailing it to medaka RAT NOW.

Gotta real conflict about those owls, though. I’ve always loved ‘em — BUT — if one of those jokers so much as touches a hair of our champ’s head, I’m stomping up there to pluck its very last feather mine own self!

You better warn ‘em what they’re risking.

did anyone catch this crazy editorial or op-ed carried yesterday in a rag called the Republican-American, out of Waterbury CN?

The article concludes:

“Corliss Lamont was the only Lamont unashamed to declare his communist sympathies and beliefs publicly, but that doesn’t make Thomas, Ted and Ned any less Marxist. Red Ned may label himself a progressive, but when he espouses goals shared by Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, et al., he gives away his true color.”

Here’s the link to an example of the kind of dirt the freepers are going to slinging about Lamont:

http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=11082

Lou @146 – Wow! Froomkin is coming out swinging more than I have ever seen from him. He usually is that nice, good logical read – kinda like a nice time spent at the pond fishing. Today – I’d say idiots would opt for hunting with Cheney over getting a mention in Froomkin’s column!

This part made my head hurt:

“Bush now ‘trusts his team’ to weed out such ’speculative’ intelligence, said a senior Bush aide.”

oh.
my.

lhp – parking tickets, late CLE, cut classes in gradeschool and smoked under the bleachers . . . *g* I could never be a prosecutor.

Name – When “Mary-s” drop by, they do what I did and sign as Mary. It’s happened enough times I thought I should try to be different (I’m sure you run into the same thing with all the looseheadprop-s who show up *g*)

Steve @ 165

looseheadprop@146 I agree with your outline,however, we do need to stop Alberto from getting the immunity card from Congress. He is a shill, but in his dim brain he knows that under US law, he and others have committed capital crimes.

Amen brother.

This rewriting the war crimes act to exempt political appointees makes my head explode.

Geeze! Wolfie just used the word terror about 37 times in 60 seconds and ended with…”Will the war on terror help Karl Rove” blah, blah, blah.

ftucker just mentioned he was training for that dancing show

Bush on Israel’s war in Lebanon:

“Mission accomplished”

Bush seemed a tad shrill.

His credibility won’t get any better claiming Israel beat Hezbollah while there a reports of Nasrallah claiming victory and pics of Lebanese firing off weapons in support.

-GSD

Anne at 165 — good points!

Ed*ard Teller @ 171

did anyone catch this crazy editorial or op-ed carried yesterday in a rag called the Republican-American, out of Waterbury CN?

The article concludes:

“Corliss Lamont was the only Lamont unashamed to declare his communist sympathies and beliefs publicly, but that doesn’t make Thomas, Ted and Ned any less Marxist. Red Ned may label himself a progressive, but when he espouses goals shared by Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, et al., he gives away his true color.”

Here’s the link to an example of the kind of dirt the freepers are going to slinging about Lamont:

http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=11082

What? no mandatory smackdown of that entire Bolshevik Roosevelt family including Teddy and Franklin and that bulldyke Eleanor and the slut Alice?

Anne @ 167

I don’t view this as spending time on Joe as much as it is dealing with NARAL’s nonsensical decisionmaking process. It’s about holding national allegedly progressive organizations accountable, much the same way as Ned wants to hold BushCo accountable – and why he gets so much love around here.

Looseheadprop’s message on NARAL’s voicemail gets to the heart of it all:

looseheadprop @
45

I called Naral and started to talk about Joe. Very calmly.The lady who answered the phone had a sharp intake of breath and then said she had to put me through to the political line.

Transferred me to Shiply’s voicemail where I left a detailed message (including callback #) about how much better it would be to back a full pro choice candidate that has the nomination of a major party over a partial choice-no rights for rape victims-cathlic hospitals need not comply-sorta pro choice candidate without any party backing.

Joe may be the “presenting symptom” but the disease goes much deeper, I’m afraid. When we’ve got things like the new SD laws to deal with, the last thing we need is the national NARAL folks forgetting what it means to fully support women’s reproductive rights and choices.

Mary for now @ 171

Lou @146 –

Name – When “Mary-s” drop by, they do what I did and sign as Mary. It’s happened enough times I thought I should try to be different (I’m sure you run into the same thing with all the looseheadprop-s who show up *g*)

There has been, is , and always will be only one true Mary at this Lake.

GSD @174 – I swear! they are all suffering dementia and living in some strange reality (which, unfortunately, they believe to be absolutely correct)…

hopefully, they won’t extrapolate that the IDF “won” because of the air war…

cbl @ 152

I wonder what star he will dance with?

http://myspace-165.vo.llnwd.ne…..0165_m.jpg

I was thinking Clay Aiken :)

Anne at 167

You are SO VERY RIGHT.

(smacks self on forehead)

Damn it! Joe is the new bright shiny object.

We are wasting time and attention being pissed off at joe that should be spent making Lamont the ONLY STORY.

Damn, damn, damn. They did it to me again!

When am I gonna wise up?

Matt Browner-Hamlin 117:

Exactly so. Joe lost his party’s primary. If he had walked away with grace, as other losers do, what would NARAL have done? They would have endorsed the pro-choice candidate in the general, which sure as heck ain’t Schlesinger (or whoever). It is NED LAMONT.

Instead they stick with Short Ride Joey from the Me for Me party.

This is nuts.

Kurt @ 182

cbl @ 152

I wonder what star he will dance with?

http://myspace-165.vo.llnwd.ne…..0165_m.jpg

I was thinking Clay Aiken :)

You can’t top that !

ya ’spose Tucker is dancing with the stars to prop up his ratings?

So Anne,

Now that I am done bruising myself. How do we get the message back on track? Lead and Iwill follow.

looseheadprop @ 180

Mary for now @ 171

Lou @146 –

Name – When “Mary-s” drop by, they do what I did and sign as Mary. It’s happened enough times I thought I should try to be different (I’m sure you run into the same thing with all the looseheadprop-s who show up *g*)

There has been, is , and always will be only one true Mary at this Lake.

But I’m guessing that our Mary’s not the namesake of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago’s more-than-a-little conservative seminary at the “University of St. Mary of the Lake.”

147 through 149 (lhp, BK, OC) — PLEASE!!!

I’ll be in the ER within the hour if y’all don’t at least gimme a chance to get up off the flo’ between 707s!

OT – Hypocrisy update:

Poll: Christians ‘addicted to pornography’
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0814.html
*It Clinton’s fault…or the tooobz themselves.

immanentize @ 139

Considering Allen knew he was being filmed, I would add : “Drunk Bully.”

I’m hearing that more and more. Word is he especially loves shad plankings and outdoor festivals so he can “pound a few brewskies”. He is usually removed from public before he gets too shitfaced (in his case evidenced by his saliva frothing forth out of control and increasingly idiotic remarks). I also understand that he wears a heavy coating of pancake makeup to hide the splotches.

me@165 I tried to edit and add a post script, however it didn’t work.
ps: pray for the continued good health of Justice Stevens.

Peterr at 187

i think that’s a safe bet

Why all the whining about lieberman? The rules have changed.

From now on, we progressives will no longer be stuck voting for whoever wins the democratic primary. Instead, we can keep our guy on the ballot and split the vote in the general.

And if the democrats don’t kick lieberman good and hard, that’s exactly what we should do in 2008.

looseheadprop @ 164

Oh and Mary

the yellow tie thing? Priceless. You realize you have almost singlehandedly taken yellow ties out of male fashion?

Who wants to wear an item that signals “I am a liar”? it’s kinda like to black and read bracelets the kids wear to “signal”

I had to rush home and check my closet, cause i didn’t want anyone to find something someone might have given me twenty years ago. Fortunately, I didn’t find anyway.

* 184!

ps: pray for the continued good health of Justice Stevens.

AAAmen. AAAmen.

AAmen. Amen. Amen.

We just enjoyed Mozart’s Jupiter Symphony played by the incomparable Cleveland Orchestra last night.

That crazy, incredible last movement with humpty lebben trillion themes all criss-crossing eachother at breakneck speed! But they do it, and all arrive home together. It’s absolutely beautiful, utterly breathtaking and simply amazing.

FDL is the Mozart of blogs.

I offer this thread into evidence as Exhibit A.

FABU FROOMKIN MUST READING TODAY!!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00528.html

Also a Sunday Book Club suggestion: Without Precedent, the 9-11 Commission book.

Point made on MTP yesterday: “The system works, but the lesson is, it takes an awful lot of work to make the system work.”

Bushie’s working hard today, his p.r. photo-op team says so.

Both NARAL and the DSCC have repeatedly contacted me, looking for money. In every instance, I read them the riot act over Lieberman and then hung up on them. As far as NARAL is concerned, this type of garbage puts them on my shit list, for good. Time for comitted activists to leave naral and form a more responsive organization.

Ed*ard Teller @ 172

“Corliss Lamont was the only Lamont unashamed to declare his communist sympathies and beliefs publicly, but that doesn’t make Thomas, Ted and Ned any less Marxist. Red Ned may label himself a progressive, but when he espouses goals shared by Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Castro, et al., he gives away his true color.”

http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=11082

I don’t know whether which to be more dismayed by:

- That the rhetorical fallacy of labeling continues to enjoy such favor,

- That there are people out there who might seriously entertain the idea that a guy who created and ran a successful business would be a Marxist.

scarecrow @ 194

looseheadprop @ 164

Oh and Mary

the yellow tie thing? Priceless. You realize you have almost singlehandedly taken yellow ties out of male fashion?

Who wants to wear an item that signals “I am a liar”? it’s kinda like to black and read bracelets the kids wear to “signal”

I had to rush home and check my closet, cause i didn’t want anyone to find something someone might have given me twenty years ago. Fortunately, I didn’t find anyway.

I’m telling you, media consultant will now counsel their clients to avoid yellow ties at all costs UNLESS thay are deliberately trying to signal that that don’t mean what they are saying (like when you go along to get along)

This is gonna be the “Green M&Ms” of men’s fashion!

You gotta know, I am NEVER letting my law partner wear a yellow tie to court again.

someone want a fitz

looseheadprop @ 180

Mary for now @ 171

Lou @146 –

Name – When “Mary-s” drop by, they do what I did and sign as Mary. It’s happened enough times I thought I should try to be different (I’m sure you run into the same thing with all the looseheadprop-s who show up *g*)

There has been, is , and always will be only one true Mary at this Lake.

lotus @ 59

cbl @ 55

oh and Mary,

. . .

I wub you

I move we make that one unanimous. No, I move we unanimously add it to FDL’s by-laws.

Our only chance of defending a woman’s right to choose is by focusing our energies on our real opponents: George Bush and his anti-choice congressional allies.

So, Christy, I hope you told them that as far as a lot of us are concerned, a vote for Lieberman is a vote for George Bush! That’s the whole point!

I barely had time to read the post and haven’t had time yet to read the comments, so I’m sorry if the irony I’m seeing has been exhaustively pointed out previously.

And according to Tom Curry on MSNBC today, the Republican neocon money base is going to make certain that Lieberman is well-funded for all that whining.

It’s like one of those monster thriller movies when the very weak link in the good-guy team gets his body taken over by the monster and the [formerly] okay sorta good-guy starts acting all nutso. Kind of intriguing supporting actor performances and special effects, … so like you have to look, like you have to look at a car accident.

In addition to calling NARAL and leaving a very very long message on the machine w/ call back #, I have also signed the MS Magazine “I have had an abortion” petition.

Time for those of us who can to stand up and be counted.

GSD @ 157

Dru,

Ow. When I heard that angle of the slur I thought it was a stretch. But that little bit of history is damning. Georgie thought he was being too sly by one.

Oh, this ones going to hurt.

My advice to the Allen camp, start filling sand-bags, there’s going to be lots of incoming fire.

-GSD

GSD: I hope it hurts so bad he leaves! Virginians south of NoVa might not get riled up about it enough to throw him out, but it should ruin his chances at a presidential run. I hope.

jello5929 @ 194

From now on, we progressives will no longer be stuck voting for whoever wins the democratic primary. Instead, we can keep our guy on the ballot and split the vote in the general.

And if the democrats don’t kick lieberman good and hard, that’s exactly what we should do in 2008.

I made that pledge quite a while ago, to only cast my vote for someone who represents my interests. It felt damn good to pull the lever for the progressive artist/school teacher who ran against DiFi in our last election. I was proud of my vote.

Miro @ 1:36 pm (#207) – To me, it’s more like one of those movies where the monster, even though it’s been shot multiple times at close range, suddenly revives and gets back to the business of killing promiscuous teenagers.

Maybe it would help get the point across to NARAL if some non-affiliated CT voters made a point to call and let them know they are supporting Ned Lamont not because he’s a Democrat, but because he’s actually pro-choice (unlike “Joey”)

I got a blst email from give’m hell harry winging about what cheny said about the Lamont win being good for al queada.

I sent back an email asking him whether he was going to strip Leiberman of his committee assignements unless he drops the 3rd party run

These days I make special prayers for 6 of the 9 Justices. (Don’t hate me Imman, but even Scalia will say no, sometimes [Hamdi], to the criminals.)

The only St. Mary who might be named for me would probably have 4 legs and a casket of cheap whine around its neck.

BTW quickie legal recap — the AT&T cases all were consolidated with Walton (yeah) but that means all on appeal now to the 9th Cir (notsoyeah); and Libby & Co have a closed door hearing this week (sorting out discovery from the CIA pdb turnovers I guess, but wouldn’t it be nice to be a fly on the wall). I’m also wondering if the AIPAC decision may get a request for interlocutory appeal like the AT&T cases? I hope. And I think that the case in front of Judge Diggs in the 6th is still hanging for decision.

Tack on the mounds of legislation on GITMO trials, the briefs filed last week seeking dismissals of all the habeas cases, the legislation on War Crimes and Torture Act violations, the legislation on legalizing/amnesty for FISA lawbreaking and on legalizing/amnesty for the ATT statutory violations; and tack on some Uniform Code of Military Justice rework to authorize formerly ciminal acts under those statutes —-

The Chinese had it right. Interesting times are a curse.

“Prescott Bush was the only Bush unashamed to declare his Nazi sympathies and beliefs publicly, but that doesn’t make George W., George H. W., Jeb, or Neil any less of a fascist. “Rub ya” Dubya may label himself a conservative, but when he espouses goals shared by Hitler, Ford, Tojo, Franco et al., he gives away his true color.”

There, much better…

. . . and your little dog, too @
65

*ilson46201 @ 51

GSD — the Iraq Kerfuffle has gone on longer than the War of 1812 and has more casualties too !

Small quibble:

Isn’t kerfuffle a word the RW uses to minimize serioius matters, because it equates to dust-up?

The word “kerfuffle” is Scottish and predates the US, left right and center. You can’t seriously start refusing to use perfectly good words because your opponents use them, or you will be left with nothing but a few made up words that only you understand. Don’t cede the language to them, lest you cede the debate as well.

Instead of taking words off the table, do as the original poster did and introduce facts that clarify the debate. How many other famous wars has the US had that were shorter, less costly, or resulted in fewer casualties (note that this administration has abused the word “casualities” by not counting people who didn’t actually die, even if they lost three limbs and are in a persistent vegetative state, so comparing the numbers will require some care)?

At what point will we be talking about “the third longest war in US history” or “the forth most costly war in US history”? These things are worth tracking, because they may be very useful in framing the debate.

–MarkusQ

Two things I picked up from the Rachel Maddow Show podcast just now:

1. In his Saturday radio address, Bush said that our soldiers are being killed in Iraq by terrorists (not insurgents? – - ed) who are trying to kill us by bringing bombs onto airplanes.

2. There’s a law? bill? order? ready to go to the White House that give Bush the authority to federalize the state National Guards in cases of natural disaster or national emergency. (My emphasis)

Governors are writing Congress, which isn’t in session to protest this usurpation of their sovereign states’ powers, but this sure seems under the radar to me.

Martial Law anyone?

This is how the press pushback moves the stalled and dilapidated GOP rent-a-wreck war-wagon out of the way of progress:

Code Red in the Land of Make Believe
“This is the first time reporters have had to cover the president from outside the compound,”

Those hard question are just too hard ain’t they? Where’s Karl. We’re out of Kool-Aid.

I hope somebody with a press pass brings in two tin cans and a piece of string. That’s all the bandwidth Yellow[tie]Snow needs to spew his drivel. I thought a press boycott might be a good tactic, but the idea of an in-your-face-pukefest with PhoneySnow surrounded with pointy-sharp questions in that teeny little pressroom would be more in keeping with the Sunshine on the Plumbing meme.

The Dancing Men was on last night on A&E.

I watched the excellent episode from the Holmes Series on DVD (Granada’s version)

Lou Costello @ 190

OT – Hypocrisy update:

Poll: Christians ‘addicted to pornography’
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0814.html
*It Clinton’s fault…or the tooobz themselves.

We have an employee who has a megachurch bumpersticker on his car and leaves religious tracts in the breakroom.

Mr. Littledog was trying to update said employee’s operating system and discovered that he has been forwarding to his home email address, every single porn spam we get. Before we switched hosts recently, we got up to 800 of those a day!

He’s the only avowed fundie here, and the only one using our computers to send himself porn.

Dimwit wingnuts like George Allen aren’t bright enough to hide their meanness & stupidty forever. I don’t think it’s my imagination that we’re seeing more of them losing it & revealing their true selves lately. I’m looking forward to the time when they are all totally exposed so even uninformed americans get it. Being ignored & treated as people with zero credibility might be an even worse punishment than jail time for them.
I thought Bolton giving interview to Atlas Pam was a parody..it’s so hard to tell anymore. I need to find the infamous Pam video (which fdl thread had it?)to show my guy before I show him the interview. He’s not going to believe it either.

immanentize @ 126

OK, I was just at the Whiskey Bar drinking Billmon’s expectations that we will be nuking Iran soon. How is everyone else?

Welcome to my world and my bottle as of last December. I asked a military friend of mine how important was it, that several generals with Iraq service had recently come out against our Iraq policy and our Iran dominion plans. Answer: VERY VERY BIG.

The Air Force is still insisting they can make a surgical strike on Iran and then we will be welcomed with flowers and parades. If you guys know anybody high up in the AF please speak to them in the strongest possible terms NOW. This thing is going forward.

Cheney’s determination to start a war of aggression against Iran, based on the same kind of completely manufactured hyped propaganda, will create new fault lines in the military, especially if they go ahead with nuclear weapons. Yes Iran has terrorists but their focus is not us [yet], but an unmentionable country in the Middle East. Do we send our children to die for them?

Keep working, people, small stones add up but we need a lot of them. We owe it to our children to try to prevent The Big One.

MarkusQ @ 214

The word “kerfuffle” is Scottish and predates the US, left right and center. You can’t seriously start refusing to use perfectly good words because your opponents use them, or you will be left with nothing but a few made up words that only you understand. Don’t cede the language to them, lest you cede the debate as well.

All I was suggesting is that kerfuffle (Webster’s: disturbance, fuss) minimizes the brutality of this war.

Wilson was being ironic, but I missed that.

Kindly don’t assume that I would cede anything nor tell me what I will end up with if I fail to follow your instructions.

I won’t be giving any money to any NARAL, national or local or state, from now on. They have always been more interested in being part of the inner beltway, and don’t give a hoot about real change that would ensure reproductive rights.

And the next time I hear a NARAL leader bleating about “choice” I won’t be listening or caring much. Instead I will look for others who will defend basic freedoms, including women’s reproductive rights, who not only care more about that than being in the big boys’ club, but who are effective. NARAL, exit stage left. New groups, enter!

If my Senator is Ken Salazar (sob!), can I still say NARAL’s position is (even more)incomprehensible than, say, Cokie’s. S.O.B.

OldCoastie @ 167

shorter Bush – “…We solved the terror plot in Britain!”

all while acting like he drank 5 pots of coffee…

…And pretending nobody had noticed that the British terror plot was “solved” by the British authorities, using the same diplomatic and criminal investigative approaches he and his administration have derided. Has anybody noticed how much better this works than going into an unconnected country, shooting a bunch of people, and destroying the infrastructure? ‘Cos Der Shrubbenfuhrer hasn’t.

Cujo359 @ 200

I don’t know whether which to be more dismayed by:

- That the rhetorical fallacy of labeling continues to enjoy such favor,

- That there are people out there who might seriously entertain the idea that a guy who created and ran a successful business would be a Marxist.

Irony is indeed dead. Well, for stupid people, anyway.

EvilDrPuma @
225

Cujo359 @ 200

I don’t know whether which to be more dismayed by:

- That the rhetorical fallacy of labeling continues to enjoy such favor,

- That there are people out there who might seriously entertain the idea that a guy who created and ran a successful business would be a Marxist.

Irony is indeed dead. Well, for stupid people, anyway.

Friedrich Engels was a most successful capitalist Marxist …

Here is MY answer back from NARAL when I questioned if they were now going to switch from Lieberman to Lamont:

You’re absolutely right that electing more Democrats is necessary in order to put the House back into pro-choice hands. However, it is also vital for us, as a nonpartisan organization, to support elected officials who have stood firm in their pro-choice convictions, regardless of their party affiliation. We do hope to put the House back into pro-choice hands, and thus you’ll see us supporting plenty of pro-choice Democrats. We also intend to support the few courageous pro-choice Republicans who stand up to their party leadership’s attacks on choice. They have stood by us over the years, and we intend to stand by them. It is important for you to know that, as a nonpartisan organization, we hold all elected officials to exactly the same standard – regardless of party affiliation.

We realize that not everyone will agree with each and every one of our endorsement decisions, but we do hope we can continue to earn your support. I hope this explanation of our electoral goals is helpful, and again, thank you for writing.
Sincerely,

Shwetha Srinivasan
Membership Intern
NARAL Pro-Choice America

THEY DO NOT CARE IF SOMEONE IS DEMOCRAT NOR REPUBLICAN. Nor Independent. I have argued that Joe said women could go somewhere else if they were raped and wanted PlanB contraception, and they said he clarified it with them and they are happy with his answer. No answer to the fact that Alito’s wife is the head of an anti-abortion group.

I have decided that NARAL is a bunch of imbeciles and will not send them another dime.

btw, this bimbo’s email is:

ssrinivasan@prochoiceamerica.org

So here’s the real bottom line. There are a lot of pro-choice organization to whom I can donate. Since I have limited funds, I will give some Mr. Lamont (I’m in Connecticut) and not give some to NARAL.

As they’d say on ebay: NARAL IS NARU’d.

…so the White House press room is under renovation. How long have they known about the asbestos? Remember what happened to the Pentagon after IT was renovated…

Sorry, off the subject: I could understand NARAL trying to take an easy way out…”we always support the pro-choice incumbent”…They are obviously a single-issue group and their objective is limited and they aren’t named NWRAL, after all. But then I remember Joe is the “short-ride” guy and…yeah, feck ‘em.

I contacted NARAL and mentioned that Connecticut Choice Voice supports Ned Lamont. I hope we can get NOW and PP to do the same.
I’m not from CT but NARAL needs to know that their decision has national consequences.
http://www.connecticutchoicevoice.com/

Ned is dead.