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Ned Lamont speaks:
"My God, here we have a terrorist threat against hearth and home and the very first thing that comes out of their mind is how can we turn this to partisan advantage. I find that offensive," Lamont said in an interview Sunday with The Associated Press.
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NED!
Ned!
CT is dull w/out Jane. :)
Spazeboy @
3
We’re just gonna have to count on you and Bob and Keith and Al to keep up the high flying spirits. You can do it!
oops and Maura too!
http://www.ConnecticutForLamont.com
Hey Spazeboy…THX for the link to NED on TeeVee: http://www.spazeboy.net/2006/08/ned-on-tee-vee/
Lamont rules!
Jane — yes! We liked a lot of what Ned said today, how he said it and who he said it to. It was a very good day for Lamont.
I think what more and more people are going to like about Ned is how so many of his responses to these kinds of things are exactly what you or I or the guy down the street or the folks next door would say if they were asked.
That ability to speak what is on the minds of the voters is the very thing that bonds people to a candidate and gives them hope that, at last, someone “gets it.”
Unlike Joe, who, in the words of Russ Feingold, “doesn’t get it.”
Ned: “I find that offensive.”
Strong start for the pushback. But we need more, loud, articulate, non-stop, coordinated, pithy outrage. Our own Wurlitzer, but stocked with the truth. And the tunes must be catchy.
Ned’s the new Barak.
Dean took it to ‘em as well. And Feingold. That’s three spines.
Barack is the new Joe, no?
tommy yum @ 11
Yep. You can rebuild the party from those pillars.
OT-I’m still staring at that picture of Feingold.
Let’s hope this catches on in the media more than it did today. It was a pretty good day today for the democrats (especially Lamont), finally getting a little bit of air time. I hope it’s infectious. Cheney and the GOP need to get hammered for their irresponsible comments — and I don’t mean ‘get hammered’ as in what Cheney does when he goes on a hunting trip.
From the summer of ‘03 to the summer of ‘06, we moved from the First Wave of Howard Dean and the people-powered movement, to the Second Wave of Ned Lamont – with netroots, grassroots, and the people-powered movement. What a great candidate; he gets better with each interview including those two on cable with Chris Wallace and Scott Pelle (in for Bob Schiefer). I would love for Ned to have this rapped up by the end of September with Joe dropping out around Labor Day – so that he can help some of our other candidates around the country. Sort of like what happened to Barack Obama. Although that thought is a vision, the strength of his candidacy is beginning to wash over many dems running for congress, like Darcy Burner. Hot doggies, Ned; you keep up the good work. Thanks Jane
Think Progress
I’m thinking they’re furiously scrambling for a way to lift the flying with liquids restrictions asap without looking weak on terror or somethin’. It’s made people more angry than fearful and gosh that was not the intent!
I love you Ned.
However, stronger language please.
have to repeat this for ned, I hope he reads this blog, I went over to his but for some reason I don’t think it posted;
one of Lamont’s staffers was doing a radio interview on “state of belief”, an air America program with a progressive host who is also a member of the clergy
what happened was INCREDIBLE!
(can someone find out this Lamont staffer’s name please, and unbeleiveably well spoken gentleman who sounds like he’s been in politics all his life)
anyway, the conversation came around to cheney’s statement assiciating the lieberman loss to terrorism
the staffer, in an even temper, not sounding angry or anything went OFF on the vice president
he started with;
now, that’s not verbatum, I did it from memory, but believe me, I didn’t embelish…this guy just EMBARRASSED the vice president, IT WAS INCREDIBLE
maybe somehow the lamont team can get a copy of that interview and post that protion for us to download and cherish
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scarecrow,
do you really want the kids to see #16? ouch.
tommy yum @ 11
Ain’t it the truth. It’s like the damn party is finally finding its voice.
Aurona — I missed the CBS interview and haven’t seen any story/links. Anyone?
*ilson46201 @ 18
I saw that earlier –Tom Ridge showing spine and independence. Has he rebelled before this? I can’t recall. I’m stunned, frankly, and have to say I respect him more than Colin Powell at the moment. I always thought he was a big dummy but maybe I was wrong.
Jenny from the Blog @ 19
You can’t even wear gel insoles:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/…..index.html
–someone’s not ‘gellin’
Rev — my kids are grown up, but deletion is fine.
From the talking head thread this morning…
‘85 masaccio says:
August 13th, 2006 at 6:43 am *
I went to a fundraiser headlined by Congressman Murtha, and attended by Albert Gore, Jim Cooper (my Congressman) among others. Murtha is delightful. When we talked to him at the reception, he focused on us, paid attention to the questions, and answered directly. I asked him if he would be campaigning for Ned Lamont, and he said yes, that he had already been in Connecticut, but apparently Lamont took a short vacation, which the Congressman thought was odd. Everyone was thanking him for standing up for us, against the idiotic policies of the administration, and he talked about the need to elect Democrats to hold the President accountable. In his speech, he pounded on the accountability theme. He finished with this: the nation has a Republican House, a Republican Senate, a Republican Supreme Court, and a Republican President, and they want to blame Jack Murtha for their failures.’
“He said yes, that he had already been in CT”
Interesting to think that Sen. Murtha possibly traveled to CT… perhaps to visit an old senator?
It’s not just what he said, but how he said it: the man has a Lincolnesque gift for saying a whole bunch with a few words.
Shame on the Bush administration. Shame.
But again, they are without shame.
Re: Tom Ridge
What if almost every time Bush/Cheney took a stand, Ridge came out and said they are wrong?
The Dems would think he’s a pretty useful Republican, right?
Now, flip that, and see why GOP loves Lieberman.
twolf1 -
But how long can it last, I wonder? Is this supposed to be a permanent situation? Everyone who flies is furious and I don’t think they can make it stick. (wishful thinking, I’m going to NYC next month and I never check bags… this is my problem, more than the liquids. grrr).
Testify, NED!
I think you will begin to see a surge of Dems finally speaking out, finally standing up and fighting for what we believe in.
All that pontificating by Holy Joe is wiped out in a simple “that’s offensive.”
This may be the kind of straight-shooting that makes it look like all the arrows in McCain’s quiver are bent.
scarecrow — your comment was so abstruse it flew right over my head …
This is a total fucking rumble gunfight Ned. Please do not be nice with these america-destroying bastards, for godsake please do not be John Kerry. Please please be TeddySF and attack attack attack!
Spazeboy @ 3
Hope that you keep us posted. I am going to try to come up for a weekend to help out any way I can.
Part of the success was even having MSM put a line up like Lamont, Feingold and Dean for the day.
After CHeney and Mehlman trying to say that everyone against the war is helping al-Qaeda, I expected the Lieberman, Biden, Schumer, Obama, etc. crew.
Almost makes you want to start watching the talking heads again.
Almost.
Jenny from the Blog – as I understand it, all the restrictions aren’t permanent, but some are. The restrictions are also tighter in London. The day it happened, someone on one of the M$M channels said that the strict restrictions would last 72 hours. If you can believe them, who knows.
Meanwhile,
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=122076
*ilson — good, that’s my normal level of clarity, but you guys can nuke it anyway.
Is there a strong Roots group in Illinois? Maybe they could start hammering Obama to endorse Ned to make up for endorsing Lieberman in the primary.
Workng for reconciliation not only w the former Soviet Union but here at home, including in my family over some truly egregious situations:
egregious @ 94
ember @ 36
I shall do my best to keep everyone at FDL up to speed. Maybe I’ll even write something worthy of a time-slot here.
Ned Lamont’s “hero” Teddy Roosevelt famously opined that one should walk softly but carry a big stick !
Aurona @ 17 -
Darcy Burner is a fantastic candidate. And she’ll make a wonderful representative. I’m hoping Howie will feature her on a Saturday afternoon sometime really soon.
I got EPU’d on last thread. Oh well.
Ned was excellent this morning, but as already noted, it was the triumverate of Ned, Feingold and Dean (he was 100% “on” this morning) that did the trick. It should be considered a warning shot to the GOP: We’re not gonna take it!
Jenny from the Blog @
19
(EPUed)Homeland Security jumped the shark on this one.
I really really want to see Lieberman destroyed. Truly he is as bad as Cheney. No, worse.
As long as Ned does not emulate Barak, I’m happy.
Don’t you just hate it when the candidates you thought would be great wind up crapping out and joining the jerk squad?
It looks like progressive Dems are finally seeing for a fact that they don’t need the DINOs’ permission to break rank. They’re standing up and speaking out and as Chimpy’s numbers tank, they’ve figured out that we are actually all dying to hear their intelligent and practical solutions to these horrendous problems the Republicans have created. Not a moment too soon.
twolf1:
Thanks for the info. OMG that’s a crazy story about the cell phone!
twolf1 — wow, does that say a lot. they clamp down and then stuff gets through anyway. Wonder how long people will be patient with this stuff.
Sharkbabe @ 47
Lieberman is Cheney without the power
scarecrow @ 23
Here you go. The video seems to be acting up (a YouTube problem no doubt)
I also think a modification of a former Hilary line might be a handy one for the pols to keep, something like:
If Dick Cheney spent half as much time trying to find Bin Laden as he does campaigning for Joe Lieberman, we never would have been in Iraq to start with.
I hope having some REAL Democrats on this morning improved the ratings for some of those shows. Maybe they will do it more often.
This is just sickening: Chertoff – “It’s not like the 20th century, where you had time to get warrents”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..MlJVRPUCUl
scarecrow @ 51
An MSNBC reporter, I think on Friday, had quoted a woman he had talked to who had successfully smuggled chapstick hidden in a candy wrapper on a flight.
I said before, I’ll say it again, I’m pretty sure obamaa is drinking the kool aid
don’t forget, corporate America at one time contributed mostly to democrats and we were a corrupt party just like the republicans are now
I think they are hedging their bet and starting to nurture some democrats now before teh pendulum swings
obama HAS to endorse lamont, he has NO choice and this HAS to be made CLEAR to him
not only does he have to endorse lamont, he has to RENOUNCE LIEBERMAM IMMEDIATLEY
now, someone get that message to him and I bet he does not, I am telling you he has some pitchers of kool aid and he’s drinking it
Chertoff should know the Brits broke this case while using warrants and other fuddy-duddy quaint legalisms
A few nights ago I had dinner with someone who is as “inside the beltway” as you can get. He had some stories to tell, about Schumer and Rahm Emmanuel. Shorter version:
Schumer is a cheap, lying, skank.
Emmanuel is a killer. NOT to be trusted.
“My God…”. Surly George Bush is the not so learned gentleman, Faust. But which is Mephistopheles? Rove or Cheney?
shoephone @ 60
sounds more flattering that I would be.
Spazeboy at 53: thanks much for the Lamont video on CBS.
Yowser! Chris Matthews just delivered
a pro Lamont, THROW.THE.BUMS.OUT speech at the end of his show.
shoephone
Did your friend tell you who any of the good guys are?
Spazeboy @ 12
Speaking as a constituent. Yes.
Spazeboy @ 30
That sums up most speeches I’ve heard the Senator give since then. Instead of verbal clarity, he talks triangulation. I’ve been paying attention to the news, and AFAIK he hasn’t come out to support Ned yet.
Schumer is a cheap, lying, skank.
But he’s our cheap, lying skank unlike Sen. Gus d’Amato who was their cheap, lying skank !
/me wants to see…hope crooks and liars gets it to host
Chertoff’s Century of the Big Secret. Big Quiet. Big Boys only.
God, he gives me the creeps.
There is breaking news on CNN about 890 dead, 3300 wounded in Lebanon? WTF is going on? Are they just reporting the total statistics for the war so far?
me to me @ 68
It was implied (big time) without actually saying it ; )
me to me @ 67
I’m hours behind in politics today (mmm…beach!), so thanks for telling me about this. I’m transferring the video over right now and will hopefully have a clip up at YouTube w/in an hour or so.
Does CNN always say BREAKING NEWS on the bottom of the screen these days? I can’t tell what specific event happened recently.
Just got back from vacation in the hills of Western Connecticut, where Lamont took the village of Cornwall by a margin of 10 to 1. Go Ned!
while comparing Middle East death statistics, recall that Baghdad and Israel have the same population (6,000,000) , Lebanon is 2/3rds of that.
47 people killed in Baghdad just today!
neurophius @ 73
Yes. Everything is ‘BREAKING’ or ‘DEVELOPING’. They are quickly losing me as a viewer.
Russ Feingold is handsome as hell. Next president. I would not only have a beer with him, I’d sleep with him in a second and I’m not even into guys. Let’s use this shallow MSM people. Who’d you rather be kissed by idiot America? Drunk retard chimp or adult Mr. Feingold?
For that matter, cynical liar Cheney or fucking-honestly-cares-about-our-troops-and-this-country Jack Murtha?
Chertoff – is he pretty much admitting that they were breaking the law all these YEARS?
In any event, he’s just flat lying.
What helped the British is that they had a tip. Not random streams of undifferentiated, illegally obtained, information. They then took that tip and obtained warrants. They do have a different warrant process, but they didn’t dispense with it – they stayed within the law.
What did NOT help the Brits was that, when they finally told us what was going on, we threatened to “render” the Pakistani suspect.
Those kinds of things will make it harder and harder for them to work with us in the future. What also helped the Brits is that they have and continue to approach the mess as criminal matter – notice that they haven’t invaded Pakistan. Nor have we, apparently, invaded Britain.
What hasn’t helped the Brits is that our ME policy, which Blair has supported, have resulting in taking Brits born into a democratic government and turning them into terrorists.
I also hate the MSM going along with the lies:
They didn’t “push for” the authority – they took it illegally. Suspects are deemed to be enemy combatants – they are SUSPECTED enemy combatants. Uighars? They didn’t establish a tribuanl system with “fewer rights” they established a system that does not require proof or evidence and that violates the Uniform Code of Military Justice AND the Geneva Conventions.
WHile they were at it – they also suspended the Fourth, Fifth and Sixth amendments and a few other sections of the Constituion and claimed the ongoing and continuing right to violate the Consitution, as well as the laws of this country, based on suspicions without requiring proof, and based even on being “wrong” (el-Masri) without reprucussions.
BUll – he has no support for any kind of increased efficiency and quite a few things make it seem very likely that all the deadending from undifferentiated sourcing has stretched resources thin and left gapes. We weren’t the one, despite how high Pakistan should be on our radar and the fact that the foreign/foreign calls don’t require any warrant, to sniff this puppy out.
They also let him walk on the fact that a) they can already have 3 days eavesdropping without warrant, and b) they NEVER went to COngress for changes to the law – they just began breaking it. The Patriot Act has been through TWO evolutions, over FIVE FREAKIN YEARS and they never so much as said “hey”
Yellow ties.
twolf1 @ 76
They’ve got a new one (with graphics) called JUST IN that they’ve been beating like a dead horse too.
My senator, Ted Kennedy, had a great op ed piece in one of the Connecticut newspapers this morning. (Sorry, I don’t have the link but it was in the “Curant.” The “real” Democrats are getting behind Ned.
I appreciate the role that FDL is playing in mobilizing support behind Ned Lamont. Everyone involved should think of this as a patriotic contribution to America.
Sharkbabe @
77
Haaahaaa, you are cracking me up. Russ is a freakin’ dreamboat. And he’s so fucking smart. I’m telling you, I would kiss the hem of his pants just to sharpen his pencils. Heee.
I disagree with some of the comments that suggest Ned should show more outrage and bluster. I think showing a calm, cool head is exactly what he needs right now. As somebody else said upthread, speak softly and carry a big stick. Let Lieberman rant and rage. Ned just needs to keep on the right side of the truth.
Ed Deevy @ 79
Ted Kennedy’s Piece in the Courant.
Spazeboy’s Pic in the Courant.
Sen. Kennedy in the Hartford Courant
Cozumel @ 79
YES! Blitzer is the worst offender with that one. They play the graphic and then the s#@t they report isn’t new! the same crap they’ve been playing all day. Just because it’s the first time Blitzer’s Beard spews forth the info doesn’t mean it’s developing, breaking or just in.
*ilson 67 – we don’t really need extra cheap lying skanks.
However, there is something to be said for having a killer, as long as they don’t bite the family.
Mary for now at 6:13 pm
AMEN.
Here’s the link to Teddy’s (MY senator too) op ed.
It is really really well done.
Barak, time to take notes and worship at the feet of the king. This is how it is done.
Mary at 78 – DFR. DNO. Damn fine rant. Dead nuts on.
neurophius @ 65 -
He mentioned Barney Frank, for one. I know from previous conversations he also likes Jerry Nadler. He seemed surprised ( and a little hurt?) that I said I don’t like Dodd. Interesting note about Leiberman: He said “you can’t imagine how hard it is for someone like that to lose his Senate seat.” Said Hojo is probably reeling.
The bottom line of the conversation was that money really is the great equivocator. Everybody takes special interest money because they can’t get (re) elected without it. He thinks the system stinks to high heaven, but when I asked “if we work diligently, and really focus on making public financing of elections a reality, how many years do you think it will take to get there?”
He wasn’t confident we’d get there any time soon. I came home a little depressed.
what is the ref to yellow ties? I see it all the time but for some dense reason, don’t get it……
Spazeboy looks like the very model of the “concerned citizen” in that Courant photo !
Michael Chertoff speaks of the lack of importance of following the law, vis a vis warrants. And he was a Federal judge! For shame!
Spazeboy at 30 — you should take that camera and walk right in. See for us.
Hoooray for the Hartford Courant.
They endorsed Joe before the primary.
When he lost, the Courant called on him to halt his independent run.
Sounds as though they are keeping the pressure on.
FWIW – Obama has officially supported Lamont now … as have many. The question is really what that support will look like on the ground.
Mary – the problem is, Rahm telegraphs that he’d eat his own if it would help him but an ounce.
The Middle East. Human beings being snuffed like cigarette butts on the sidewalk. This thing has gone on long enough, George Bush. You are responsible for this.
twolf1 @ 57
Fresh from the beauty salon: you cannot imagine the anger from ordinary women about having to throw away their lip balm and other cosmetics because of the incompetence of this administration. The revolution might not be televised, but it might very well be FEMALE.
WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH.
Mary for now at 6:13:
{{{{{APPLAUSE}}}}}
Ed Deevy @ 80
I emialed a thank you to your Senator Ted for his op-ed in the Courant. I thought it was just the ticket. He’s already written back to thank me — a much better, warmer, and more timely auto-response than I get from either of my Senators!
yahoo!
take their fucking war, and the manipulative arguments they have gotten away with using to justify it, to them, ned.
throw it back in their faces.
war! war! war!
in american politics.
that’s the key to defeating rove and his gang of intellectual thugs.
sure they are playing politics.
but they are bullies; face them down.
changing subjects:
to say something like the quote above
ned must have a different set of advisers than kerry, gore, et al,
or else he has a mind of his own – god forbid -
something john kerry never displayed.
what is the democratic world coming to?
fighting back?
god forbid.
such bad manners.
what will the women voters say?
(other than jane and others in the left-wing fdl crowd.)
Spazeboy — even with that hair color, the Courant recognized you !
Naharnet – a pretty reliable Lebanese source keeps a running toll of dead, wounded, and displaced … in the 33 days since the Israeli attack, 1,071 dead (it was 1056 yesterday night), 3,628 wounded and 973,334 displaced.
http://web.naharnet.com/default.htm
WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH… 5 years ago
1,238 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOES ON AND ON AND…
Spazeboy:
“Barak is the new Joe, no?”
YES!!! Now yer gettin’ it…I remember takin’ it on the chin from some of the more socially acceptable FDLers months ago when I said Barak was a “black Lieberman”. Ya ken cut thru all the pseudosophisticated, condescendin’ bullshit rationalizations about Barak with the simple phrase…”black Lieberman”.
And is there an FDLer out there from Chcago that knows the political history of Barak…I remember readin’ about a former Panther that Barak bloodied up pretty good on his way up and the guy wouldn’t dis ‘im other than ta say that Barak might require some watchin’ before ya give ‘im the kets ta the car.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BELIEVE A WORD THEY SAY!!!
Ned’s not going to back down. One of the the things he built his campaign around was about Loserboy not standing up to George Bush.
I like his choice of words too. Hearth and home seem more American than homeland, which always made think of communist dictatorships.
orangejumpsuit @ 82
Outrage and a cool, calm tone can fit together hand in glove. Good example, Murtha quote from above, “The nation has a Republican House, a Republican Senate, a Republican Supreme Court, and a Republican President, and they want to blame Jack Murtha for their failures.’
orangejumpsuit @ 82
Yup, you know TradMed’s just waiting for Ned’s “scream.” He’s playing it exactly right: grown-up, offended, businesslike, but HAD ENOUGH!
Spazeboy @
72
Spazeboy — I think the same show was up late Saturday nite — that’s when I saw that end of show statement. It was nice.
karen allen – that is the new dual qualification: You don’t get to be a Federal Judge if you believe in following the law, and if you were a judge and are going to work in the adminstration, you have to show up and confess that all that judging never really meant you take the rule of law very seriously.
Prior expertise in breaking the law or writing memos on how to cover up war crimes – those things are moving to the head of the resume.
meta – I’m the drone on yellow ties, although Imman teases me now and then, bc right after a spiel from me on yellow ties, his son bought him one! *g*
Go to the end of the snark thread and I link three guys fibbing, spinning and being basically unreliable – Chertoff one of them – all wearing yellow ties.
I’ve had a lot of bad experiences with men in yellow ties. It tops excessive blinking for making my think twice.
I’m glad folks are fed up with the faux terrorist crisis but it is beyond disheartening that the confiscation of chapstick has more impact on american women than the death of countless iraqi and now lebanese children.
scarecrow @ 109
So we’re not talking about the “Chris Matthews Show” from this morning?
:p
You just saved me some time! :)
orangejumpsuit @
82
I agree. He needs to keep his cool – calm but forceful, pull no punches. Let those that aren’t running do the down-and-dirty attacking and scream the outrage.
After 5 years, where is OUR Wurlitzer? They should have plugged that in years ago.
Sometimes seems more like a harmonica and accordian. sigh
shoe @ 97 – gotcha.
percy, 108: “Outrage and a cool, calm tone can fit together hand in glove.”
I agree and amend my remarks accordingly. Outrage, yes, but cool and collected as he has been up to now. He is not the type who can come across well with ranting and raving.
OT – don’t hit ‘quote this comment’ on #113. Any more nested blockquotes may kill the margins for those w/ smaller monitors.
Norske – Obama was first beat by a former panther who ran against Obama as “not black enough” … which seems to be the tone in my neighborhood about him.
IL roots folks have tried to make some headway there but his office is astonishingly unfriendly to constituents … and says “we don’t do issues here, you need to go to DC for that”
Spazeboy @ 113
scarecrow @ 109
So we’re not talking about the ”Chris Matthews Show” from this morning?
:p
You just saved me some time! :)
I guess they show it three times over the weekend. It should be the same one.
twolf1 @ 118
Four vertical bars = maximum quoting
I guess CNN is just filibustering until the ceasefire in Lebanon is supposed to take place at 1 a.m. Eastern. (2 1/2 hours to go). When I first turned on CNN a few minutes ago, they convinced me that some horrific attack had just taken place, breaking news, death statistics, and all that. Now it looks like they are just trying to take up air time. Maybe they should read us some recipes or something.
neurophius @ 121
“Pull Up A Chair With Leslie’s Beard”
If this is what peace looks like two-and-a-half hours before it breaks out, with today’s record number of Katooshas into Israel and 20 bombing sorties over Beirut, I’ll be amazed if Condi gets her cease-fire.
I desperately want this to succeed so the guns of war can quiet — but the track record of this crowd dismays me so.
Spazeboy — the Chris Matthews show sounds right, but I thought I saw it last nite. But then, I get on FDL and miss entire weeks. What time is it?
scarecrow @ 124
Two hours and twenty minutes until peace in the middle east, that’s what time!
Does Tweety do a weekend show, or are they just replaying his Friday evening program?
siun — my Congresslady is a fiend about constituent service — she was a staffer herself — she’ll answer the phones herself if she hears them ring more than twice !
Hey Spazeboy – we ALL must turn things inside out – whether comfortable or not! Thanks for all you have done – keep on keeping on!!! We need you – and we need each other!!!
scarecrow @ 124
Time to make the doughnuts.
Yes, we did see it last night scarecrow. We were commenting on it then, remember, late into last night? How was it for you?
Lotus, if you’re out there – I just got your email and am blown away by your idea. We have to do it. BRAVO!! xoxo
the ceasefire goes into effect at 5am GMT or midnight ET
TeddySanFran @ 126
WORD!
Mary, excellent comments!
Still trying to catch up on comments of the weekend. I asked in an earlier thread if the CNN reporter was correct that American officials pressured the Brits for early arrests? Add in the flurry of liquid-seizing and the vital WH need to pontificate about it and we have not an antiterror strategy, but a p.r. stunt to coverup the tsunami building toward the Rethuglicans.
Despite the orchestrated sequence of p.r. events leading up to the Sun a.m. gasbag shows to try to bury the Lamont win story with all Chertoff all the time, this time the p.r. is falling short. Rove and Bushco must’ve been gnashing their teeth that the MSM actually didn’t spend the whole hour of their gasbag shows spewing out the WH spin.
The American people’s eyes are open now and they’re showing they will rally behind strong, common sense, honest leadership like Ned. And we’ve had enough of the outrages that are Cheney and Lieberman and Bush.
neurophius — it’s not Hardball; it’s a different show he does on the weekend. He had four panelist/guests, IIRC e.g., Bumiller of NYT, Howard Fineman, two others. His comment was at the very end.
neurophius @ 127
“The Chris Matthews Show” is pre recorded prior to the weekend and shown three times over the weekend apparently.
*ilson46201 @
131
CNN’s countdown-to-peace clock now shows about three hours fifteen minutes until peace.
*ilson
CNN has a “Countdown to Cease-Fire” ticker posted, showing 3:14:40 to go as of now.
Good. A cease-fire. Then what? Is there a plan?
Do you suppose they’ll drop a giant illuminated dove in Times Square?
*ilson46201 @ 131
Mary, at last, the Mystery of the Yellow Tie is solved! I’m sure I’ll start noticing all of them now. Thanks.
TeddySanFran @ 136
three hours fifteen minutes until peeance freeance
Oklahoma kiddo @ 139
Yes. Send Halliburton and start pouring in the money for fix-up.
meta
I missed the answer to the Mystery of the Yellow Tie! Where is it?
Hopefully Lamont doesn’t forget who and how he won this election if he gets the Senate seat. Anyone taking bets that he does?
It’s very strange right now at home. I’m hearing shots and booms outside, kind of like thunder but not. Must be someone setting off fireworks.
But it makes me think of all of the places in the ME where the noises are real and the bombs and rockets are real, and people are dying and losing limbs and families are torn to pieces.
It is very surreal for me and very real for all of those unknown souls so far away.
It is beyond sad and tragic. It is criminal.
We have so much work to do.
WaPoO Chatz tomorrow; questions accepted now.
Howard Kurtz, Media ”Critic” at 11 eastern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00671.html
Congressional Reporter Charles Babington at 11 eastern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00501.html
Airline security consultant Mike Brooks, former member FBI joint terrorism task force at Noon eastern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01245.html
Questions may be submitted now, of course, to beat the DeeCee consultant rush in the a.m.!
Rockclimber02 @ 144
He’ll rue the day that he forgets about Spazeboy–I’m here in CT to help remind him where his bread is buttered.
Rockclimber02 at 6:50 p.m.
Your answer is right here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYM3Hg4vMsQ
Actually, I have faith in Ned. Don’t know if it’s prudent, but he strikes me as genuine. Let’s hope he stays away from the cocktail weenies.
neuro,
Are they putting koolaid in the cocktail weenies now?
neurophius @ 149
He can afford them by the train load, doesn’t need them ; )
neurophius @
144
Neo, from Mary:
meta – I’m the drone on yellow ties, although Imman teases me now and then, bc right after a spiel from me on yellow ties, his son bought him one! *g*
Go to the end of the snark thread and I link three guys fibbing, spinning and being basically unreliable – Chertoff one of them – all wearing yellow ties.
I’ve had a lot of bad experiences with men in yellow ties. It tops excessive blinking for making my think twice.
concerning Ned — as the sainted Ronald Reagan so wisely said : Trust but verify.
RevDeb
Yeah,the Kool-Aid. That’s what really gets to them. I hope Ned is a bottled water guy.
Rockclimber02 @ 146
You really think Ned wants this crew breathing down his neck? We make better friends than enemies. Hopefully they will all learn that lesson.
Nice chatting w/everyone tonight–I should spend more time here.
If anyone sees Jane, tell her I say hello.
Thanks, meta.
I don’t own any yellow ties. Does that mean you can trust me? *s*
“It is criminal”. Yes. And President George W. Bush is accountable to us, and his God.
BBC
Rockclimber02 @ 145
I think it was Sunday last week, when a bunch of us were leaving the Lamont HQ to go canvass some more neighborhoods, and Lamont and his family arrived just as we were leaving. All friendly, they came over to say hello to us and thank us — we kept wanting to thank him! — and I said, “You look just like that guy on TV, only real!” He just laughed, chatted with us until we went out.
I wouldn’t take that bet.
missed some of earlier today FDL …
with all the talk of the ceasefire – have folks noted the Sy Hersh article in tomorrow’s New Yorker in which he explains that the Pentagon saw the Israeli attack on Lebanon as a dry run for Iran
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/…..821fa_fact
guess Condi and Rummy feel like the experiment has gone on long enough and so we’ll get a pause in dead Lebanese …
siun — Sy Hersh was also on CNN or MSNBC earlier today, talking about the same story. The WH has vehemently denied it, (so it must be true?).
Eastern Daylight Time is four hours off GMT, not the usual five. So the ceasefire starts at 1am EDT. But at 0500 GMT. 7am Makkah time!
Ok, this is off topic, but…
I’m still trying to understand how the Americans can tell the Brits how to do their own police and intelligence work. This individual the Americans threatened to render: a resident/citizen of England? How is this not a huge offense to the Brits – who are after all their ally?
New security rules small amounts of some liquids will now be allowed, security threat level lowered from red to orange
Fern
We won the Revolutionary War, remember?
Scarecrow – the article is another important pice from Hersh … we really need to pay attention to what is really going on here and not get taken in by the CNN/WH garbage.
Also, if you have not read Pity the Nation by Robert Fisk … do. The Israeli attacks matches their earlier invasions to the letter as does the Israeli use of suction weapons, cluster bombs and white phosphorous.
Just back from a couple of weeks in Vermont and then Manhattan. Boy, it sure was fun flying last night! It was a lesson in why government matters, why Ned Lamont is such a ray of hope, and why he’s the first politician I’ve given (what was for me) a significant donation to.
My toddler was asleep in his stroller leading up to the security gadgets at JFK. I had to get him out of said stroller and then attempt to fold it up with one hand and a shoeless foot. A forlorn hope. My son started screaming and I had to put him down in order to kick my shoes over towards a chair, collect my unpacked laptop, re-deploy the stroller, and then submit to a full unpack search because they thought they saw a container in my carry-on on its trip thru the X-Ray machine. It was a package of Tic-Tacs, which they confiscated. My two-year old put his head variously down on a chair or the floor and wailed during much of our vaudeville routine. I didn’t have my wife’s help because she was off undergoing an “SSSS” (which I take to mean ultra-serious) search in one of those closed rooms.
She went there for the search because she had to if she wanted to keep her asthma inhaler, which although obtained by prescription had the audacity to not have her personal name stamped on it. During the search they discovered a long-lost lipstick my beautiful wife had packed into her luggage on a previous trip. Which, fearing it was a cylinder of some unknown lethal substance, they confiscated.
As it turned out, my wife misplaced her ticket at the SSSS search station, and although security knew she’d left it, they didn’t bother to page her. So she had to run back from the entry gate when we couldn’t find it, hoping she had left it there and hoping to make the flight; somehow, she did. But my son cried when she ran away, and did so for much of that flight, possibly because he doesn’t yet love being confined under a seatbelt for six and a half hours in a 15-inch by 15-inch square. Or maybe he was picking up on the crappy feeling we and everyone else on the flight seemed to have in common Saturday night.
I remember flying twenty years ago from New York to Tokyo and seeing a little boy playing with his fire trucks in the aisle. The boy wandered into first class where, instead of kicking him out, the flight attendant gave him a little present they apparently kept handy for kids on planes. I remember savoring the delicious feelings of freedom and limitless possibility then, flying to a country which would welcome me, and as I would often experience, sometimes unabashedly honor me just for being an American. Now we live in a country that is so guiltily insane with fear it takes Tic-Tacs away from children and lipstick away from their women. Think about the symbolism packed into those acts for a moment.
I want a country where it’s ok for a toddler to play in the aisle of a cross-continent flight, one where everyone isn’t paralyzed in a national straightjacket of overblown fear. A country that acts with common sense and decency. I want to see the purveyors of fear fade back into the crevices they came from, back into the redoubts of their ridiculously filthy stink-tanks so they can stew like morphing bacteria in the juices of their own stale virulence. They are the reason I felt like killing someone more than once during my family’s trip last night. Like all of you here I want my country back, and open season is coming. Go, Ned, go!!
meta @ 81
Okay, that’s funny!
neurophius @
166
I can be persuaded to fly without liquids, though I won’t like it, but no BOOKS!!! I’d rather walk.
All Bush has to do is say “Yo Blair” while chewing with his mouth open, and they will do whatever he commands.
neurophius — Security threat lowered from lip balm to lip stick. Hand lotion out; baby formula in. We’ll need a program.
Fern — was it a British citizen in England, or was it a British/Pakistani citizen in Pakistan that was the potential target for rendition? Can’t remember.
siun, I agree about the airport security. You can take my cosmetics, my shoes, my books, water, you can take whatever it is you think you want this week, if it would actually make anyone safer. But, that’s not what’s it’s about, is it?
I’m watching Mike Wallace try to box it out with Iran.
neurophius @ 172
LOL
Scarecrow, I can’t remember either.
Ned was FABU. He just blows me away and I love that he’s not a slick politico. His integrity and passion really come through in an articulate, intelligent and spirited way that’s all his own. He was terrific on Fox News (dished it right back to Chris Wallace) and terrific on CBS.
Go Ned!
ChurchLadyLa @ 176
You should have seen him talking with the “Riders for Righteousness” bikers at the GospelFest Sat. night. He was easy going and having a good time and they were cool with him too.
meta – I’m irritated with the fearmongering but I’m also stunned by how fussy we get over the little disturbances in our lives enforced by the police state – these are nothing compared to what is being done by the same masters in Lebanon and Iraq and Afghanistan … go on, bomb a humanitarian aid convoy but by god, don’t take my bottled water!
Folks should read the recent Fisk article from Beirut in response to the UK Terrorist announcements – of course, Fisk has been fighting this mentality for years … his take is one we should be listening to – and repeating:
http://www.informationclearing…..e14516.htm
I made note of another article where it mentions that once again Israeli jets are flying low over Lebanon breaking the sound barrier. It reminded me of an old report which was causing miscarriages when they do that, doing a google search comes up with almost 20,000 hits just on that subject alone.
Since Ned Lamont is some sort of Doomsday Device, why haven’t Republicans advocated launching him at the Chinese?
Israel’s last minute offensive has immeasurably complicated the situation on the ground and decreased the chances that the ceasefire will stick. It could happen, just less likely. With a UN Resolution in sight, Israel could have tried to lessen the violence leading up to the ceasefire. This would have eased the transition to it and left Israeli forces on the ground in a better defensive position. It would also have facilitated their withdrawal and limited their contact with Hezbollah fighters.
The Israeli offensive occurring when it did was a major provocation. In addition, by occupying a larger area of South Lebanon before the ceasefire, they have put a large number of Hezbollah in their midst. The Israelis were having plenty of problems as it was in their limited incursions. Weeks after towns and villages near the border had been “cleared”, resistance remained stiff in many of them. Although the distances are not great, in terms of Lebanon and the nature of the conflict, Israel now has extended and exposed supply lines. This was the very scenario that kept Israel from plunging into a ground war in Lebanon at the beginning. The need of Israeli political leaders to declare victory over something is likely to cost Israel the ceasefire as well as the peace.
Meanwhile in Lebanon negotiations have stalled over disarming Hezbollah. Well, there’s a surprise. No one really expects Hezbollah to be disarmed. Limit its resupply sure but Hezbollah will not be disarmed until it is willing to do so. Even before this conflict began, there was talk of integrating Hezbollah fighters into the Lebanese Army where many Shia already serve. This still seems the most promising way to go although the sectarian angles always present in Lebanon would have to be addressed and finessed.
The target for rendition is Rashid Rauf. This VOA story states he is a British national.
Also, Billmon wrote about the Sy Hersh article earlier today. He’s also got a newer piece on the pending cease-fire. (Front-page link to Billmon.)
I should perhaps clarify … for those of you who do not know, one of the moderators at MFIs blogs went to Lebanon to try and rescue his in-laws (he married a Lebanese woman when they were stationed there as UN Peacekeepers last time around) but instead he had to bury most of the family there including 2 young children. This “ceasefire” comes too late for him and for so many.
This is not abstract policy.
Anyone know what’s going on with bopnews? It’s been down for a few days now.
This Lebanon thing isn’t over by a long shot. The Arab street and the Lebanon Christian world are not going to forget what Bush, Blair and Olmert have wrought. This is but a brief lull in the carnage. It’s all down hill from here. The only chance to turn this horror around may be the fall elections, and 2008. Another bothersome thing is how do Russia, China, India and Pakistan fit into all this? These guys are all nuclear armed to the teeth.
btw — recall that Jane asked us to keep track of news reports about the unsubstantiated JL allegation about his website being attacked.
On CNN this afternoon, David Sieberg (sp?) repeated a story I’d seen before repeating the allegation, but not noting that no one has shown there was any proof/truth to the claims.
He noted that JL campaign had “turned over evidence to the AG” (implying there was some, but we don’t know what, if anything, it was) and showed the JL web guy saying “we were attacked.”
The report showed nothing from the Lamont campaign (1) denying they had anything to do with it (2) offering to send their IT guys over to help get the site back up (3) noting that new sites often have problems when dealing with surges.
It was all allegation, no proof and no response. Just steno.
meta @
81
And he is Pisces too. :)))))
OK Kiddo — lest it be forgot: Israel has about 200 nuclear weapons. Nobody in the Middle East forgets this !
RevDeb @ 22
scarecrow @ 16
shoephone @ 60
Interesting! Do Tell. Not a surprise about Rahm, but he is a ”killer” against the opposition. Well, maybe sometimes against fellow dems, too.
Sharkbabe @
77
I would have no hesitation laying some shicksappeal on that fine gentleman.
Siun and Shez 181: wow, that Hersh story means that we can’t make enough rules about lipstick and lip balms. Look out.
The Israeli action, current and former government officials told Hersh, chimed with the Bush administration’s desire to reduce the threat of possible Hizbullah retaliation against Israel should the US launch a military strike against Iran.
Okay — what this says is, we should have a nasty little war in Lebanon, so that when the US attacks Iran, they’re won’t be a nastly little war in Lebanon.
Madness. Just madness.
“…but no BOOKS!!! I’d rather walk.”
You got that right. I can’t imagine enduring the pre- and post- as well as the flight itself. Hell, I’ll drive to Texas or whatever place I have to get to. There’s the radio and all the liquids you want.
OMG siun. My condolences to MFI’s moderator. I’m just sick over all this horror. And we don’t even really know what real horror is. Many of these children in the ME don’t know what it’s like to not hear and see bombs, killing, death, to be in mortal danger every waking moment, for every day of their young lives. If they live.
(For some of our newer FDL friends, MFI is Markfromireland, an old poster from here that has a couple of excellent blogs, one being Gorilla’s Guides)
nodding to Scarecrow … and that we encouraged and approved the decimation of the Lebanese infrastructure as a test to see whether we’ll be able to destroy the Iranian infrastructure … nice, ain’t it?
Shez – thanks for the Fisk … and I owe you an email! been catching up sleep since CT and still way behind.
*ilson46201 @ 191
You know this? I’ve never seen any proof
Shez – MFI was just in Iraq (or as he wrote – the #1 bloody hell hole) and he is very very upset about what is going on there and in Lebanon … says it is worse than he has ever seen (and he saw a lot in Lebanon last time around) – follow that with the experience of his friend and moderator … this is a nightmare time for those who actually live it.
powwow et al … I flew on Thurs – on domestic flights there is no problem with anything but liquids. The strict limits are on international flights only. I carried book, laptop and cell phone (but not my beloved ipod which I somehow fried on last trip)
Cozumel @ 196
Israel WMDs
*ilson — RevDeb was right. Can you nuke it and progeny?
I though Ned responded to each question very well, Last time I saw him it was the debate and at the time I was not impressed. Perhaps I was more interested with Lieberman’s remarks. I think he’s for real, I loved each answer and he got better, more passionate as the interview progressed. Nice job, I am beginning to feel a glimmer of hope. Is it feel or see a glimmer of hope? Doesn’t matter, I hope Ned can take the heat, because the Repugs/White House will be coming for his keester.
Meta & Sharkbabe, (on edit, I’ll add veruca too)
I’ll try to get a picture for you of Russ tomorrow morning. :)
Thanks again to everyone that has emailed questions to me for Russ, I’ll pass them along and let you know what his answers were.
WaPo on Israeli Nukes
siun, just to hear about this makes me physically nauseous. I did notice a post you made a couple weeks ago that mfi was back over there again. (No rush on email hon, I know you need to rest up! It was basically to see if Ned’s bio will be updated soon)
*ilson, is it only 200 nuclear weapons? I was always under the impression they have way more than what they claim they do. Reports of complete underground labs and storage.
*ilson46201 @ 189
Make no mistakie. Your comment is not lost on me. I am way, way aware of what you say.
Smokey — after what happened this week, they might prefer to ignore Ned, rather than go after him and force him to reply. Getting him in front of national cameras is not helping the Rovers, and it sure cheered us up! Cheney’s comments have been widely rebuked by several Dems/people, news reporters and editors, and tv talk-heads.
I think the Repubs paid a price for attacking an honest, articulate man saying what a majority of Americans now believe.
Ned news:
Ned Lamont Public Schedule
August 14, 2006
ADDITION to schedule
What: SEIU/1199 Endorsement
When: 12:00 pm
Where: 1199 office, 77 Huyshope Ave, Hartford
scarecrow — Hoosier-nuked!
*ilson — thanks.
”God is not finished with me yet.” — Jesse Jackson
Shez — rational nations have no need for more than about 200 nukes — only the USA and Russia have thousands of them.
Another good article on Israel and the bomb by the Federation of American Scientists can be found at:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/
Just popping in for a sec. Love this site.
Someone mentioned it a few days ago, but it bears repeating: Ned needs to avoid small planes. They’re harmful to Democrats.
tommy yum @ 213
…as are blue dresses
*ilson46201 @ 199
From your Wiki link…”is widely believed” ; )
Happily Ned travels by car and has an awesome driver who keeps the whole show rolling along.
Has Joe conceded yet?
MarLord @167 – that sounds like a nightmare. There is, in part, that “secret” element, where it seems such a “good idea” to keep everyone in the dark as to the nature of the threats – so the terrorists don’t know we know that they know that we knew that…. – that they wrap in all kinds of things that don’t make sense. Traveling with a child in all this is going to be a nightmare – ditto someone elderly or sick. I hadn’t thought about inhalers when I heard them talk about meds – ARGH.
1,238 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Cozumel:
Isreal’s WMD (nuke) program is the worst kept secret in world politics. It is in fact THE fact that can explain Israel’s neighbors great fear and not to say distrust of her. If you put the existence of Israel’s atomic arsenal into the picture, then the Israeli protestations about proliferation in Iran start reekin’ of something akin to horseshit.
In addition, do a little research into where Israel got her nukes (hint: South Africa)…it seems that Israel’s flirtation with real fascists isn’t recent.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE TRUTH MAKE YOU STUPID!!
twolf1 @ 213
Yeah. He’d look like shit in a blue dress.
Just a little lefty gallows humor. Like the old WWI joke, in which “RIP” on the tombstones meant “rise if possible.” Yeah. WWI was a scream.
BTW, Joe has his web site back up (a week later).
Too bad you can’t post comments or send him email from the site.
Oilfieldguy @ 216
LOL! Genius!
A true daily comment.
Norske – similar to Israel’s affection for Phalangists and their brown shirts.
someone else can have the FITZ!
Ned could afford a C-5 Galaxy
OT:
Just checking in. Arrived Gemany, safe and sound. awful flight. Oh well. battery on the ‘Dr Turtle laptop’ at 20%.Is 11.0
bps connection really low or is it me? Dr. and I are on ur way to Paris this morning after breakfast (5 AM frankfurt time right now)
Ok..Happy to see the lake from this side of the world.
Love,
HopeSAT
Noonan, yikes.
OT:
Just checking in. Arrived Gemany, safe and sound. awful flight. Oh well. battery on the ‘Dr Turtle laptop’ at 20%.Is 11.0
bps connection really low or is it me? Dr. and I are on ur way to Paris this morning after breakfast (5 AM frankfurt time right now)
Ok..Happy to see the lake from this side of the world.
Love,
HopeSAT
new ball of yarn from TRex, LATE NITE: “Annie, hold the pickle”
HopeSat!!
Is this where all the
al QaidaNed Lamont supporters hang out?Hey Hope, glad to see ya here
OT:
Just checking in. Arrived Gemany, safe and sound. awful flight. Oh well. battery on the ‘Dr Turtle laptop’ at 20%.Is 11.0
Mbps connection really slow or is it me? Dr. and I are on ur way to Paris this morning after breakfast (5 AM frankfurt time right now)
Ok..Happy to see the lake from this side of the world.
Love,
HopeSAT
One last thing from the weekend, check out the Sept issue of Vanity Fair. Noteworthy, the editor’s letter. And the ad [p 120-121]:
G’night, pups. MarcLord, despite your ordeal, the sharing of it adds to the pushback. Thanks for sharing…moving another small stone.
tommy yum @ 222
Sounds like another bumpersticker to me!
Hi HopeSAT, so glad to hear you arrived safely. Please keep us updated when you can.
OT, Okay, those concerned about taking their lipstick on board a plane can relax now. I’m sure we all feel safer now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00391.html
Hi Hope! Glad you got there safe.
NorskeFlamethrower,
I’m not saying the don’t have them. Then again, didn’t Saddam play that game with Iran? Just sayin’
1,238 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Suin:
Yes indeed, right wing Israel is historical irony comin’ back at us…another of God’s little jokes.
And a warnin’ ta anyone out there who wants ta play the “anti-semetic” card – don’t, if ya fuck with the bull you’ll get the horns!
KEEP THE FAITH AND THE TRUTH WON’T HURTCHA!!
Hi Hope! Love to you and Dr. Turtle.
HSAT – wonderfull to hear you made it without problems. Enjoy your time with Dr. T.
Siun – thank you for sharing the story about the moderator’s inlaws. It was already sad and frustrating and evil, but those stories make it more real.
YOu have to wonder how we think tolerating or participating in the murder of hundreds of civilians here, thousands there, will ever reduce the threats from terrorists.
According to the FAS article I cited earlier, Israel’s nuclear began as early as 1949 with its civilian components quickly being subsumed by the military ones. Most of the aid for this program came from France in the 1950s and 1960s.
In 1986, a dismissed Israeli nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu later abducted and tried by the Israelis published details of Israeli nuclear warheads in a British paper.
Estimates range from 100-200 warheads based on varying the parameters of the power output and hence plutonium production of Israel’s nuclear plant at Dimona.
#151 Neo, from Mary:
Got cookies?
HSaT
Forget the lake for a while. Concentrate on one thing only, ’cause it’ll be back-to-the-states soon enough.
Great trip!
Love, dogs.
orangejumpsuit @
80
An aggressive stance can be done in a calm, cool-headed manner. Ned has shown he’s up for that job, too.
And it can be very effective. We remember Gandhi for being a peaceful sort, who somehow got what he wanted. He was certainly calm and collected in public. But he was *not* afraid of confrontation – he saw nothing wrong with engaging in calm, collected head-on confrontation. He could also (calmly) dish out mind-bending levels of snark, if that’s what was needed. Example:
shoephone @ 90
I don’t think we could imagine it until he started showing his bitterness every time he opened his mouth.
‘Offensive’ is good. ‘Unserious’ is better. The rhetoric shows a lack of seriousness in addressing terrorism. Highlight it.
Not everyone buys into the Coulter bullshit — or even the Bush bullshit (today’s pensee).
I am sure Tom Swan knows what to do with the ammunition Joe and Cheney are handing him. But the sad fact is that Lamont v. Lieberman, which should be over, will now continue sucking all the oxygen out of the other CT races.
tommy yum @
11
Just a word about Obama. He’s my senator – and we do love us our Barak – but he was built up as some sort of “Democratic God”. Well, he’s not perfect and has made a few stumbles along the way, and has “disappointed” some of those people who have built him up.
Just make sure you don’t put supernatural expectations on Lamont. He WILL sometimes say the wrong thing, support something you don’t agree with, BUT he’s a good man (like Obama).