
The August 8 primary day news cycle was absolutely dominated by a story that no one, so far, has offered any substantiation for — the suggestion that the Lamont campaign hacked HoJo’s lame campaign site. Yet everyone from Chris Matthews to Wolf Blitzer and beyond went lurching around like Blanche DuBois on benzos at the very suggestion of such a thing. There is no way to know what effect this kind of wild rumor actually had on election day, or how many votes it might have finally thrown to Lieberman, but he unquestionably won the battle of the primary day spin as a result.
As Jamison Foser notes this morning:
The Lieberman campaign’s complaints have prompted federal and state investigations. And it’s certainly possible that the extensive coverage the Lieberman campaign’s allegations of Lamont "dirty tricks" were given by the media may have given a boost to Lieberman in the first post-primary poll, which shows him with a slim lead over Lamont in a three-way general election campaign.
But while the cause of the website’s unavailability is not yet known, there are increasing indications that it was something other than a hack by Lamont supporters — and that if a "hack" of any kind or source was the original cause, it was not to blame for the extended downtime….
[T]he news organizations that breathlessly reported the Lieberman campaign’s allegations have dropped the ball in following up. Was this really a Lamont campaign "dirty trick"? Did the Lieberman campaign itself play such a trick by taking their own site down, then blaming the opponents? Is it all an innocent mistake? The result of negligence by the Lieberman campaign’s hosting service? These are questions the media should be exploring — but isn’t. (my emphasis)
Foser goes on to note the baseless allegations that Dan Gerstein has been able to toss like a grenade into the middle of major media coverage of Lamont and the blogosphere; they are accepted without question and he never pays any price for them. That needs to end.
On Tuesday we’ll be debuting a new tool for contacting media outlets within our FDL site. Your job, should you chose to accept it, is to search out every media outlet and every journalist that wrote about this story on election day — and see if they have followed up with it since, or if their only interest in it was simply to tweak Ned Lamont when it could hurt him. Please leave any links to these, as well as contact info for the journalists in question, in the comments section.
Gerstein’s been allowed to spread his specious nonsense unchallenged in the media for far too long — if he wants to continue speaking for Lieberman that’s great, but journalists should be making note of the fact that he consistently operates in bad faith and treat his allegations with appropriate skepticism.
He needs to wear this one around his neck until he proves it’s true, or apologizes.
(photo Lindsey Beyerstein)



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specifically, if anybody knows who Sue Haigh’s editors at AP are — or could find out — it would be very helpful.
Kung Fu!
JANE!
Grr, I’d have gotten the first one, except Jane cheatsd and posted a comment before publishing the post!
It’s almost as if the media has such a pathological need for approval from people like Gerstein that they will do anything to win his favor. Kinda creepy, really.
It didn’t help that something went wonky and my rootz! Jane! shout got held up in traffic, of course..
Ned makes bad coffee “plus” computer geeks need coffee to function=Ned hacked short bus Joe’s site
http://chasemeladies.blogspot.com/
I just wanted to lighten up the mood a bit…
Special hacker monkeys flew out of my ass…
The media has a pathological need for Holy Joe.
The Leiberman camp sent the FBI and Connecticut Attorney General on a wild goose chase, knowing they were lying to the law enforcement agencies. But let’s pretend Gerstein is a clueless idiot who didn’t understand what was going on during primary day. What’s the excuse now, many days later? The forensics have been done and it is clear there was no denial of service attack. It seems likely there was no hacking at all, but simply ineptness and bad software that deleted site content.
I’d like to see criminal prosecution of Gerstein out of this. He continues to waste law enforcement time when all he has to do is say he was wrong, and it was the Leiberman camp’s screw-up.
Joe Lieberman Thinks Your Support Aids Terrorists:
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1040…..terrorists
GO Ned…THX FDL!
ooooohh, I love new tools!
Thanks Jane. We need to find ways to get direct contact with these people. Does Pach have our blast fax/email list that we had on hand for the CtG event? Drop me an email (jay@ackroyd.org) if you don’t and I’ll pass it along.
We also have to push back in small ways–we need to kill this “independent democrat” label that Joey is adopting. He’s gotta run on his CT for Lieberman mantle, and no other.
NO NO NO NO NO NO! It’s absolutely ridiculous to suggest that this dumb website story had a significant affect on the election result. It’s an “inside the blogosphere” issue that average people don’t give a damn about. Lieberman probably got close by pretending to distance himself from Bush in the last few days.
Let the damn website story go. Focus on the issues people care about and leave the investigation to the FBI. We cannot solve the website case ourselves since we don’t have access to the web logs.
It would be helpful if someone knew which bureau she works out of. She’s not on the National Team, which AP lists on their web site. My guess (I was in newspapers for 25 years so it’s sorta educated) is she works out of one of the local bureaus in CT or out of the Washington Bureau, though AP doesn’t list the names of the people working out of DC. A Google search of “By Susan Haigh” lists her as AP Political Writer. So my guess is she’s out of NYC or Washington DC.
My suggestion would be to inquire to the bureaus and if that fails, call the national office in NYC
Headquarters
450 W. 33rd St.
New York, NY 10001
Main Number
1-212-621-1500
AP Bureaus in CT
HARTFORD
10 Columbus Blvd., 9th Floor
Hartford CT 06106-1976
(860) 246-6876
727-4003 Fax /News
New Haven
40 Sargent Dr.
New Haven CT 06511-5939
(203) 624-9825
787-5993 Fax
Stamford
Stamford Mail: P.O. Box 6728
Stamford CT 06904-6728
(203) 964-9270
357-9707 Fax
For general questions and comments;or to contact a specific employee: info@ap.org
I choose to accept it. Gladly. And I really want to go after NPR.
the Democratic State Attorney General Blumenthal was a Lieberman supporter and was hanging at Whiny Joe’s campaign headquarters Election Day. He’s the unbiased referee to do the investigation?
Rob Zuber @ 15
I’m kinda with Rob on this one. I think the meme that is killing us is the “anti-war candidate Ned Lamont” thing. Joe lost because he undermines the Democratic Party. Period.
Jane 1:
I’m pretty sure another blogger posted her contact info yesterday, I’ll try and find it, and send it on to you.
Did anyone see Patrick Healy’s “analysis” of Lieberman’s new “Unity” ad? It’s a real piece of work. Even after bitch-slapping the concept of American democracy in the face, Lieberman is still a darling of the press.
Shorter Patrick Healy: My articles are part of a new politics of unity and purpose with the Lieberman campaign.
Its all killing us, shoogarp an rob zuber, not fighting back on everything is killing us. I think the lamont campaign should have come out even more strongly and said “if this is DOS it isn’t us, and accusing us is a fraudulent and crapulent attempt to smear our candidate…do so at your peril as we will be insisting that the FBI and the justice department enforce their own rules against false accusations…”
aimai
Sorry Jane, this will not answer your question at 9:36, but maybe it will help someone else who can.
From their Web site
http://www.ap.org/pages/about/faq.html
2. Who owns The Associated Press?
The Associated Press is a not-for-profit cooperative, which means it is owned by its 1,500 U.S. daily newspaper members. They elect a board of directors that directs the cooperative.
AP Board of Directors
Burl Osborne – Chairman
Publisher Emeritus
The Dallas Morning News
Dallas, Texas
R. Jack Fishman
Publisher and Editor
Citizen Tribune
Morristown, Tennessee
Dennis J. FitzSimons
Chairman, President and CEO
Tribune, Co.
Chicago, Illinois
Joe Hladky
President and Publisher
The Gazette Co.
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Walter E. Hussman Jr.
Publisher
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
Little Rock, Arkansas
Julie Inskeep
Publisher
The Journal Gazette
Fort Wayne, Indiana
George B. Irish
President
Hearst Newspapers
New York, New York
Boisfeuillet (Bo) Jones
Publisher and CEO
The Washington Post
Washington, D.C.
Mary Junck
President and CEO
Lee Enterprises, Inc.
Davenport, Iowa
David Lord
President
Pioneer Newspapers, Inc.
Seattle, Washington
Kenneth W. Lowe
President and CEO
E.W. Scripps Company
Douglas H. McCorkindale
Chairman
Gannett, Co. Inc.
McLean, Virginia
R. John Mitchell
Publisher
Rutland Herald
Rutland, Vermont
Steven O. Newhouse
Chairman,
Advance.Net
New York, New York
Gary Pruitt
Chairman, President and CEO
The McClatchy Company
Sacramento, California
Michael E. Reed
CEO
Liberty Group Publishing, Inc.
Downers Grove, Illinois
Bruce T. Reese
President and CEO
Bonneville International Corp.
Salt Lake City, Utah
Jon Rust
Publisher
Southeast Missourian
Co-president, Rust Communications
Cape Girardeau, Missouri
William Dean Singleton
Vice Chairman and CEO
MediaNews Group Inc.
Denver, Colorado
Jay R. Smith
President
Cox Newspapers, Inc.
Atlanta, Georgia
David Westin
President
ABC News
New York, New York
H. Graham Woodlief
President, Publishing Division
Vice President,
Media General Inc.
Richmond, Virginia
Whiny Joe has a new website skeleton up at http://www.joe2006.com , complete with an obvious typo on the front page opening statement. SLOPPY !
I prefer http://www.CT4Joe2006.com or
http://www.Sore-Loserman.com
*ilson, 18:
I brought this up in several comments the day it happened and after, but they went over like lead balloons. I have the same question still: How can Lieberbuddy Blumenthal conduct an impartial investigation? He even went spouting off I believe on MSNBC about the “seriousness” of it before any facts were known, other than the hysterical claims of Gerstein and Sean Smith. I would not trust Blumenthal on this any further than I can throw Karl Rove.
Recuse, recuse.
Is this an issue worth pursuing or should be move on, as someone suggests. Well, you can bet Lieberman will try to use it, so Ned ought to be prepared to push back.
Pat Eaton-Robb, Associated Press reporter, had an article on SFGate.com (SF Chronicle site) on Thursday, August 10, dateline Hartford 8/10/06 18:06PDT, and it seems particularly fact-free.
This article is an outrage. The few “facts” presented are never researched.
I can’t post the link because it has a nasty “PLUS” sign in it. Go to http://www.sfgate.com, and search the site for “lamont hack”.
There’s this bit of follow-up to AP’s Susan Haigh, but no resolution of the story.
PAT EATON-ROBB, Associated Press, 08/10/06
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..amp;hw=ned lamont primary lieberman web site&sn=005&sc=237
“It’s an “inside the blogosphere” issue that average people don’t give a damn about.”
Easy there, Rob, I love the passion, but I would invite you to go back and read Jane’s post
“Foser goes on to note the baseless allegations that Dan Gerstein has been able to toss like a grenade into the middle of major media coverage of Lamont and the blogosphere; they are accepted without question and he never pays any price for them. That needs to end.”
This post is about the Traditional Media’s coverage of Ned in particular and non-neocon candidates in general.
Jane’s post doesn’t “focus on issues people don’t care about.”
Jane’s post focuses on the TM absolutely blanketing election day news coverage with an absolutely false story. We have to hole them accountable or it will happen again on November 7.
NPR has been useless for MANY, MANY years. I won’t go into every reason, lest I start an internecine flame war between a pair of factions we could have in our OWN ranks, but NPR is now nothing but a tool of the Chimp bastard. Anybody who believes what they hear on NPR is a fool.
Listen up folks: I was *IN* MSM for many years, at a Bay Area suburban daily. They don’t give much of a rip about being “fair” or “unbiased” (notice I didn’t say “fair and balanced”). They care about keeping hte major advertisersw happy. Period. It was a major reason I got out. the truth didn’t matter any more.
I believe it is worth pursuing the web site story writer, just to let her know folks are watching and if they fuck up and don’t do adequate follow-up, they will be held accountable. It’s not the story, it’s the principle. If you let them get away with it, they will keep doing it, believe me.
Up to you, but think about the principle, not just the story.
Whiny Joe’s position vis-a-vis Middle Eastern affairs is widely known worldwide — it wouldn’t surprise me if some “radical hackers” overseas wouldn’t take it on themselves to take down Lieberman’s crap …
OT: Small signs of intelligent life at the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08…..ekinreview
SteveAudio, we do have what we this is a working email for Haigh (it didn’t bounce back “failed”). I think what Jane is looking for is the identity of her editors. *ilson and I along with other FDLers sent Haigh emails prior to the primary, in response to more coverage like this. It obviously didn’t do much good.
*ilson46201 @
24
the typo: “about building”
huh? what appears as a question mark here is a captital N witha tilde (~)at the site.
I’m with Jane on this one.
Whether or not it had an effect on the election is irrelevant. The MSM has been our enemy forever. Time to take the war to them.
Punaise — with the Enye, Joe is courting the Hispanic vote but doesnt want to be seen helping illegal aliens sapping the vital fluids of our country …
There are 2 main local news sources in CT. One is WTNH in New Haven and the other is NBC30.com
Links for contact are:
http://www.wtnh.com/Global/cat…..=menu29_14
http://www.nbc30.com/contactus/index.html
Also, an excellent source for contacting the media can be found at FAIR http://www.fair.org If you click on the “activism” link there is an extensive media contact list.
I also think contacting Richard Blumenthal’s office is exactly the right thing to do.
http://www.ct.gov/ag/site/default.asp
Jane is right. We must be vigilant. I contacted WTNH and was told in a very impertinent response that they had done their homework and learned that Joe’s site had been hacked 4 previous times. Hmmmmm???
In Newsweek, yesterday, Rabbi Marc Gellman falls short, but not by much, of calling Jews who voted for Lamont anti-Semitic.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14308339/page/2/
This issue is fine to go on, notwithstanding there are more important ones. In fact, the “bite-size” aspect recommends it. Winning a small one instills a kind of discipline on other potential targets, making it more likely to succeed as you move up the food chain, from victory to victory:
1) You need to pick issues you can win and push them hard by concentrated attention, just blow the poor transgressor away till they are sorry they ever looked in your direction. This is one where that is possible.
2) The facts on the ground here are truly black and white. Our guys tend to be more in touch with Internet standards and this leverages that distinction, tends to highlight the laughable cluelessness of the other side. There was something in the Courant the other day about how Tim Tagaris offered to go help poor Joe and his hapless minions, much like you would offer to help an elderly neighbor change a light bulb, that’s the metaphor the journalist gave.
.
Make this about defense.
“Strong” on defense, but can’t even manage your own website? Know how to hire smart people to work for you, eh? Not so much, Joe. Shmuck.
And then to turn around and blame someone else for your own failings is really weak. Who wants that in a senator?
Pach – The Barry Goldwater masks at the ‘64 Republican Women’s Convention were great! I was, at the time, a Goldwater supporter – our Youth Band played at a rally for him in So Cal. Of course, I’ve gone over to the bright side now (about a year after that, to be exact).
Getting back to biz, we HAVE to respond to everything or else we get swiftboated. The traditional media with corporate sponsorship is not our friend. They must spin stories for Lieberman & the Bush Administration, and we must change that. Its obviously going to be hard, but Jane’s new tools will help us get the facts out and quickly.
Don’t you think that more of this will happen in November if we don’t? Frankly, I’m surprised they didn’t make the arrests overseas for the terrorist plot on our election day.
We need to think long term – because that is the fight we’re in; we must get the air time on election day to ward off the Gerstein’s and the Lieberman’s in the future – for our future.
I’m with Jane too. The mud sticks. Especially in the minds of watchers and readers who only want the sound bites. I had a lot of political conversations in CT, mostly while I was driving around delivering stuff for the Lamont campaign, and on the Tuesday when I was outside a polling place most of the day with Lamont handouts. I’d love to see a list of all of the lies put out by Leiberman and Lieberman campaign. Maybe there’s been on- I am just getting back to reading on line.
Rabbi Marc Gellman is a winger who also wrote in Newsweak on the Schiavo kerfuffle — he was on the side of Lieberman and the whackos on that too. My Congresslady called that entire brouhaha as “just meddling in family business”.
Jane, when are you going on Tweety’s show? Would love to see you kick his ass.
Y’know, there’s enough of us to do more than one thing at a time. I fully expect NED to handle this correctly on Face the Nation tomorrow — I’m sure he’ll hit it outta the park. When has he not?
I could be wrong, but I don’t remember being asked to VOTE on what Jane posts or asks us to focus on. If Jane wanted our opinion, I suppose she could ask Kos. Or EPU. I’m always intrigued when Jane posts, because I am a rabid lamb. But my rabidity does not make me respond by telling Jane NOT to focus on any specific issue. I either focus or not, but Jane’s focus, I’ve learned, is her own.
Think about it with this metaphor: the school yard bully hits on you for a dime today. Next three days he hits on you for a quarter, then two quarters, then a buck. If you let them get away with the small battles and say, “never mind, let’s move on,” next time they will bully you even more.
Now, getting to realities, the schoolyard bully is Republican and the goat is a Dem. That is the way it has been going since Reagan.
Jane is right. Time to fight back. Even on “small” issues like blaming their website meltdown on Ned.
I agree that the mud does stick. The only thing that my mom, who lives in Stamford, knew about Ned is that he was rich and from Greenwich. I had to debunk it with, “and you think Lieberman lives in Bridgeport?”
Correction: The bullying has been going on since Nixon.
I think the ‘roots need to move toward active instead of re-active; by that I mean we need to have a “kitchen meeting” of the possibilities of what types of problems and issues could happen as we get near election – for all of our candidates. Who is going to pull this stunt again? If not that one, which one? We need to have our own press people right there, in the face of the Sue’s and Tweety’s and Blitzer’s – before they are allowed to start their new meme on tee vee. Progressives are flexible and can pop up with new ideas to counter attack this behavior, but our boots on the ground needs to include not only the grass roots/net roots getting people to the polls on election day, but boots on the ground to keep the press honest. Tim Tagaris can’t do it alone – we may need to send out our A Team that is now getting the hang of “care and feeding of the media”.
I have a more paranoid theory about what happened on Election Day. Most of the Beltway Pundits are NeoCon sympathisers who rallied the American people in support of a pre-emptive war during the months leading up to the invasion. They saw Lieberman as a key player in the well orchestrated effort to “sell” the war to the American people. Now they are going to do everything in their power to save Joe’s ass.
I’m counting on people like Jane to call them out at every opportunity.
overstatingtheobvious @
27
I do not agree. Malicious nonsense is for Republicans. We win on issue and principle – so we fight on issue and principle.
Ed Deevy @ 50
Ed, I believe you are correct.
TeddySanFran @
26
Yes, any honest story should have said “Geary acknowledged that he has no idea whether or not anyone hacked into the site.”
And if the second sentence is true about a previous hacker attack, then L-for-L’s site was so poorly maintained that it fell to some script kiddie cookbook attack.
TeddySanFran @ 45
Teddy, Jane can always start her own blog. oh, wait…..
I agree with astralplame at 2:31 p.m.
Comments like she quotes have no place here. In fact, given the high profile this blog has attained as one that is supportive of Lamont, I would suggest this may be something the moderators would want to address.
Troll-la-la-la-al…
Let’s back up here a minute; Thursday a republican home page had a picture of Lamont, Michael Moore, Kos and Howard Dean – with a hitler mustache for grape’s sake! Can we let this stuff go? NO. It goes on and on – we must attack this crap every single inch. The Cal Thomas letter yesterday. I mean, let nothing go. It must all be fought and fought hard. Looking forward to the new tools, Jane.
Ring of Fire on AirAmerica is having a blast with the NoJoeMentum campaign.
RIGHT NOW. listen in.
Jane: Thanks for pursuing this one. I’m sick and tired of these innuendo/backoff tactics that pollute public discourse.
kewl new tools, woo hoo!
I agree with MikeB above.
Also wrt this: “….or whether it didn’t actually occur at all (to my mind, the most likely option) – we’ll never know.”
There’s a lot of very good technical information about the DOS message from FDL’ers on election day in the threads. I think a good forensic technician will confirm that spending $15/month was not a good idea.
John Casper @
23
Don’t know ’bout any others but check this out
http://www.mcclatchy.com/100/story/380.html
Notice how they take the first intial of the first name then the entire last name so … Sherlock Holmes might deduce that Pruitt’s email is gpruitt (at) mcclatchy (dot) com
Bingo Jane!
This is the one of the primary functions of the blogosphere as I see it. We cannot continue to “let it slide” or reporters will continue with sensational and baseless accusations that wingnuts are so famous for lobbing. Before I came on to these blogs, it would not have been possible for me to write a letter in longhand, address an envelope, affix a stamp and send off a missive to a reporter about an article I had no idea even existed. This is a fantastic use of this tool, and we need to use it to full advantage.
Even with the most outrageous examples of advocacy journalism I recommend my “sandwich” technique we discussed in offering criticism. This entails “sandwiching” the criticism between two positive comments. This gives lie to the “unhinged moonbats of the rabid Lamsters of the Left”, or whatever we are being called this week.
Many people I spoke with at the polls on Tues had heard about the “hack”. How it affected their vote, I cannot say. Mis-leading the press and making false accusations shouldn’t be condoned or encouraged. By not calling out Gerstein, the old media is doing just that.
As for the generic swift-boating, I’ll help in any way you think I can, Jane. We know it’s coming, it’s the only thing they know how to do.
That being said, in my opinion, having Ned labeled “anti-war” isnt a bad thing. If its a referendum on the war, Ned wins, IMO.
What I think is important is to just make sure Ned gets lots of face time with John Q. Public. He’s extremely charismatic, and attracts voters very well. Whiney Joe? Well, not so much.
THE ONLY LEGACY THEY HAVE IS IRAQ. IF THEY “CHANGE COURSE”, THEY HAVE CEMENTED THEIR LONG TERM LEGACY AS WORST EVER. THIS “THEY” INCLUDED HOLY JOE. We watched them lie and cheat their way into the war, why should they stop now??
bookwoman @ 37
4 times? I would think there would be a red flag in there somewhere. Like after the first time, to address and fix the problem.
I am having trouble getting Air America online. The Web site says it’s playing, but I am not getting any sound. It has worked for me before.
I have a Dell PC with Windows 2000 and Internet Explorer via MSN. Any suggestions?
Well said neurophius at 2:35 pm.
MikeB was on it with astralplame. Thanks to both for catching it. I missed it originally.
Thanks Jane, for everything you do for all of us –
Don’t forget, Dan Balz (of the benign and mildly constipated countenance) joined in the attempted Swiftboating of Ned Lamont over the HuffPo graphic.
Such partisan behavior by the Media Lapdogs for Bush is why we are in this mess.
Dan Balz linkies.
What was great about the Lamont campaign is that it was unrelentingly positive. They weren’t falling for HoJo’s crap. He showed over and over again that he is a WATB and Ned showed he was a boy scout.
The more people see this, the better chance to cream HoJo. He is nothing more than a WATB.
We win. He whines.
Aurona @ 57
I agree. And while we’re looking forward to the new tools, here’s an old one: a hammer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsngOi0mzNs
P.S. it comes with a bell and a song to sing, too!
Jane, it’s not only that our news media bend over backwards in boosting bush’s direct supporters in washington, like joe, but they also boost wall street & the federal reserve system, which together rob us blind & help bush finance his military spending spree
while pretending to fight price inflation, the fed, aided by wall street, fosters the excessive growth in the supply of money & credit that has enabled bush to spend trillions on misguided military ventures & to equip his government with elaborate tools for spying on us all — if americans only could foresee what’s going to happen to their so-called wealth when the financial house of cards collapses they’d throw everybody out of washington & start afresh
Aurona @ 41
I theorize that Rove had them scrambling to make the arrests on election day and they just couldn’t pull it off. As it stands, it appears to me that the arrests were rather premature, given that they didn’t have much hard evidence (ie: posession of the chemicals). The case could fall apart, but no matter, they can hold them for thirty days without charging them….enemy combatants, 24/7 gwot, railroad their a**es, etc.
neurophius @ 66
I can’t get the LA affiliate to play on my computer (vaio laptop, windows, firefox) – have only succeeded in getting the NYC station to play. Seems like some stations have a cranky player.
Nice Oilfieldguy – the sandwich effect. Now, can we have our own “minders” of this idea at or near election headquarters for the opposition candidate on election day? It might help to not only have campaign press people at their candidate’s HQ, but at the oppos, too. Perhaps that’s where we need to be; imagine all the camcorders from the local bloggers at that location; they did pile on Matthews at one point and it was quite effective.
-ck- rocks.
Thanks for your bullseye at 2:44 wrt their willingness to go back again and again and again to a graphic that was taken down.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00575.html
Lieberman Looking Outside Conn. for Help
By SUSAN HAIGH
Haigh strikes again.
the Election Day story about evil Lamont people wrecking Joe’s campaign was a brilliant political masterstroke. It was no accident. Election days are boring for the news to cover … so Joe manufactured a story to keep the media well-fed. It was topical and easy to understand. It ran all day long and anybody with a PC could verify the site was down – complete with a short, simple message blaming Lamont!
*ilson46201 @ 76
And no one is interested that it is a lie. Now, who does that sound like?
Yes, the story needs to be followed through. While we need to hold the media accountable, we also need to keep our eyes on the ball. It seems that Joe is trying to change his stripes. We need to call him on it.
Take a look at MyDD. Good stuff rom Matt Stoller who was a champ doing phone banking. I heard him talking with voters and he was A-One.
omg, M, that WaPo article is so fellationistic. How can that woman write like that with her mouth full?
*ilson- I am just getting back in touch with events- no time to read the blogs during my CT whirlwind. I assume that there are screen shots of the site, blaming Lamont- libel? slander?
Sue Haigh – the new Nedra Pickler.
Once more, I would like to give a mad shout-out to Media Matters. How they get up every morning and DO IT AGAIN is beyond me. Strength beyond measuring.
HUZZAH
astralplame – could you provide a link to the ny station?
the libelous page was up for at least two days but courts are loathe to get involved in heated electoral discourse …
M,
I’m sure Tim et al have some good screen shots, including the one with the message that the site had been hacked—which, if the site had been hacked couldn’t have been posted.
Sorry I didn’t get a chance to meet you.
Well, I guess this week’s AP contest for “best reporter” won’t be a squeaker. How could anyone but Haigh win? Isn’t the prize $500?
TeddySanFran @ 78
if Teddy doesn’t know, who would?
*!
Lieberman is an incendiary douche-monger.
(Snip)
“If you’re disappointed with the ugly tone of our politics, if you’re fed up with the nasty partisanship in Washington, then I ask your help, too,” said Lieberman.
(End)
I’m Joe Lieberman, join hands with me, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, George W. Bush, Karl Rove and the rest of the Bush/Coulter Republican Party and just say no to partisan politics as usual.
-GSD
Hmm, I think I’m in the kick-these-lying-fucks-in-the-balls-twice-on-Sundays camp.
Oh, and I’m with Guitar Bastard – I’d rather have a sharp stick in my eye than listen to NPR.
I thought this was really interesting:
Was Lieberman’s E-mail Really Down?
*ilson46201 @ 77
I believe that you are absolutely correct. What a turn of the tables it would be IF the truth of this matter were exposed (and exploited for our benefit for a change). A bought and paid for media makes it difficult, but if the truth were revealed through the internet tubes, that might be good enough to squash der Lieberslug.
xyz,
(I assume you dropped the *) Hi there!
go to AAR and that is the link to the NY station. It is the master feed.
If it isn’t working on *indo*s media player, try realplayer.
I’m operating in a microsoft free zone, so I probably can’t help any more than that.
Tabloid POTUS Tablod White House
Ignaramoose’s all around
RevDeb- likewise sorry I didn’t get to meet you. I was at the Meriden HQ only for half a day- NH HQ ran out of things for volunteers to do bec. they were so far ahead of schedule so I got sent to Meriden- and also out on road trips delivering signs and also driving to Willimantic and back to deliver election day stuff. Tuesday at the polls, standing outside with my Lamont literature, and talking to voters (they got chatty only after they’d voted)!
What a super idea, Jane! Taking action is the only way I can deal with the onslaught of bad news.
Here’s a link to all the email addresses for just about everybody if you need another resource.
http://www.democraticundergrou…..;forum=358
Scroll down a bit for the Media Contacts. They have some state and local ones, too.
Bullseye, GSD, as he puts on a clinic about the use of dirty, foul, gutter tactics, Joe says, “If you’re disappointed with the ugly tone of our politics,….”
This appeared online last Tuesday AM:
Anti-war, Anti-Israel, Anti-Joe
by William Kristol.
Want to know how Joe closed the gap in the last remaining days?
AIPAC mobilized. Kristol is their mouthpiece.
TeddySanFran @
87
Brevity is the soul of wit …
hackworth @ 72
I think it was timed to coincide with the release of the Oliver Stone 911 movie myself. So people going to see it would have that nice little Code Red going on to make them think.
I don’t think it worked. People aren’t buying the Rove Terror War on Americans anymore.
“Correction: The bullying has been going on since Nixon.”
Try McCarthy.
John Casper @ 96
Rovian projection of one’s own weaknesses onto a scrim of the opposition’s strengths. Either RGJoe’s paid close attention to how Rove operates, and has learned from him well, or Rove’s pulling the strings. I vote B.
*ilson:
~ cows come home
LIEberman is such a complete sleezy, duplicitous, disengenuous, douchebag opportunist; he makes my head spin.
He’s as bad as this guy http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-231499
I’m shocked, shocked I say that his website was “hacked”
Joe feels the country wants bipartisanship, which he can deliver. Can anyone cite a single example where Joe got the Republicans to compromise on anything for the last five years?
Anyone?
Hello?
*crickets chirping*
So, Joe’s idea of Democratic bipartisanship is “bend over” this won’t hurt much. Besides, big Pharma is paying for the date, ultimately paid for by sick old people.
By the way, this Lieber-shit is also a part of the classic Republican strategy. Play dirty pool, call names, throw mud and shit to get onto the top of the pigpile.
Then, when people are tired of the incompetence and corruption of one party rule and when the opposition party is coming to life and fighting back………
That is when you call TIME OUT! and scream and whine loudly that this meaness, this bickering, this partisanship must end.
It is a plan and a strategy and they are going to be doing this all while calling Democrats Al Qaeda and Pol Pots’ and Taliban.
-GSD
Guitar Playing Bastard @ 99
TRoosevelt
(sorry, NED, but I wish you’d stop with the “hero=TR”!!)
Well, I tell you, I would almost welcome an all-out civil war at this point. Just get guns and ammo and have at it. There are days when I think that’s the only thing that will sort this thing out. And the truth is, I think I’d rather be dead as Buddy Holly than live in Red America much longer.
Red America. and they’re AGAINST Communism. What Irony.
From the Official Lamont Website, very timely:
The campaign just sent out a press release regarding “the hack.”
STATEWIDE -Democratic Nominee Ned Lamont’s campaign today demanded an apology for false accusations that it attacked its opponent’s web site.
On Tuesday, the day Lamont beat incumbent Joseph Lieberman in an election with record turnout for the Democratic nomination, Lieberman’s campaign began accusing Lamont of hacking into his web site, issuing a press release and trumpeting the charge to numerous reporters and accusing its opponent of interfering with an election.
“These are very serious charges, absolutely untrue, and a desperate attempt to divert attention from the Senator’s own record—and from the fact that he is ignoring the will of the voters and running under his own ‘Just for Lieberman’ banner,” said Lamont spokeswoman Liz Dupont-Diehl. “The Lieberman campaign has spread deliberately false and slanderous lies about our campaign. There are no facts to back their claims and they should apologize – and they should be held accountable for pressing false charges.”
Despite Lamont’s victory, in a primary that drew record numbers of registered Democrats to the polls, Lieberman is following through in his bid to retain his Senate seat for a fourth term.
“We welcome investigations by the FBI and the Attorney General, as they will prove our campaign had nothing whatsoever to do with this,” she added. “And we hope that anyone in the Lieberman campaign found guilty of making false charges is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
“It is sad that a former Presidential and vice-Presidential candidate is resorting to such tactics in his last-ditch bid to keep his seat in Washington,” she added. “His party name says it all – it’s not Lieberman for Connecticut – for him, it’s Connecticut for Lieberman.”
One human interest story- one woman I talked after she had voted related that when her son was dying in hospice she was having trouble getting his bills paid. Contacted DeLauro, Dodd, and Lieberman. DeLauro (sp?) send a letter with contacts in the system she could make. Dodd phoned her, and actually got the whole mess sorted out. Lieberman sent a letter suggesting names of lawyers she could contact. !!!
Lebanon, Hezbollah Agree on U.N. Resolution
Council Calls for Israeli Withdrawal, International Force
by Edward Cody and Molly Moore
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, August 12, 2006; 5:54 PM
“BEIRUT, Aug. 12 — Hezbollah and the Lebanese government accepted a U.N.-declared cease-fire with reservations Saturday night, but the war wore on with Israeli airstrikes, Hezbollah rocket attacks and expanded fighting on the ground.
The continued warfare, in which 14 Israeli soldiers and 19 Lebanese were killed, indicated that the month-old conflict was unlikely to stop immediately despite Friday’s U.N. Security Council resolution calling for an end to Hezbollah attacks on Israel and Israel’s offensive military operations in Lebanon. Wire services also reported that an Israeli military helicopter had been shot down by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.
The Israeli cabinet was scheduled to make its decision Sunday, with Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres predicting the U.N. cease-fire would be accepted in Jerusalem as well. But at the same time, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, the Israeli chief of staff, said he had dispatched more troops and armor into Lebanon assigned to pursue Israel’s goal of driving Hezbollah fighters from a strip of border territory and holding it until an international peacekeeping force can be organized and deployed along the frontier…..”
Bold is mine.
DeadEye, Rummy, and Joe will be so disappointed.
RevDeb –
Yes, it is me. I’ve now restored the asterisk so there is no confusion. Thanks for the link.
Joe Blow screaming voter supression all the while practicing the true Old Media subsidized version of it as a reality, must be squashed and squashed hard.
Let’s name them all, tag ‘em, gut ‘em, stuff ‘em, and mount their stupid fucking heads on a Wall of Shame.
TeddySanFran @
106
Teddy is remembered for his halfway decent domestic policies as a reformer but his international policies were openly and unashamedly imperialistic — I just saw a film on TV this afternoon about how he grabbed a province of Colombia for his canal…
Wow, I am liking that Liz more and more. She was great with Tweety, too, on the phone on Tuesday about the “hack.” I must admit, I had a prejudice against Liz from the get-go based on her name. I didn’t think it wise for a Dupont to be the spokesperson for the Lamont campaign. Sounded like $. Isn’t that silly of me?
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1062…..of-the-law
link to press release
On Press the Meat 03/13, Howard Dean & ken mehlman on Decision 2006 & Lieberman’s primary loss.
Bonus, ABC will have the next President of the United States, Russ Feingold on.
way to multi-task, *!
Jane is entirely correct, along with others who feel that the mud sticks…AND, love the analogy of the bully…which describes Loserman completely! Ned and anyone who supports him must fight every single speck of shite that Holy Joe flings. The race is far too close, and the more desperate the Lizardman gets, the more blatant the bullying. Ned will SHINE as the statesman he is. (Joe REALLY does look like a lizard…reptilian DNA…look at Bush, Rove, Cheney…they ALL look like reptiles..that’s why he can’t stop himself…he’s truly ONE OF THEM).
TeddySanFran @
114
explosive charges there, Teddy
Ooh baby! YES!
Do NOT let this go away and DO NOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS.
*?
So who is that spokeschick for Lamont? She seems like a mighty fierce warrior, clean down to her hyphenated hubby. (waving at M cause she really digs it when I write stuff like this)
The minute I heard the “report” that Lieberman’s website had been hacked, I smelled Karl Rove. {ewww} I think I was going crazy posting here! It drove me crazy that the “hack” was being reported as a given, and it really felt to me that the way it was being reported — as a dirty trick — was definitely going to have a negative effect on Ned.
The point is, the media needs to be slapped down for this kind of sloppy and damaging crap! They need to be bitch-slapped out of the habit of accepting accusations and passing them on. They need to suffer consequences when they don’t do their fkn jobs.
So yeah, call the editors of the people who write and pass on this garbage. Make the editors late for their lunch dates, give them headaches, tell them they are lousy at their jobs. Nobody likes to hear that stuff. We’ve been nice and polite for so long, and the people who shovel the sh*t never have to pay — indeed, they hold us in contempt because we just whimper with out tails between our legs.
Make them uncomfortable. Make them pay when they commit bad journalism. Burst their bubbles.
If we had a no-flirting rule, OFG, you and your waving to the ladies would be so far over the line…. *G*
“Want to know how Joe closed the gap in the last remaining days?”
kemo, I disagree.
The semitic vote in CT was split in the 50’s.
Look at the poll results at Hotline. Joe reversed his slide a week before the primary by starting to criticize Rumsfeld’s conduct and saying that he now supported a “speedy pullout.”
If he hadn’t have done that he would have lost by a lot more than 4%.
http://ludb.clui.org/ex/i/WA3266/
I haven’t been able to keep up lately, so this may have been addressed, but . . .
Chris Dodd campaigned for Lieberman and even lent him his staff to organize his campaign.
Chris Dodd is the senior Senator from JL’s state.
Chris Dodd tried to reach JL by phone on Sunday and in person at his hotel room Tuesday afternoon.
Lieberman refuses even to speak to him.
Now, I ask you, why doesn’t it make Chris Dodd almost homicidal with rage that Lieberman, his fellow CT Senator, won’t even speak to him?
And right after that rage should come public demands that Lieberman get his malignant ass off the stage.
Would Lieberman accept Bill Clinton’s call?
What am I missing that this monumentally rude behavior hasn’t thrown every. single. Senate Democrat onto the highway to rush to CT to campaign loudly for Ned Lamont?
Am I missing something?
xyz @
82
I now can’t figure out what station it was I got to stream. It was 2 or 3 weeks ago. I am still looking. The stream from the main site still doesn’t work for me. Sad.
reL Air America.
I think that Ring of fire repeats on Sundays 3-5 pm EST. If you can listen in, check out the first and second segments. It’s about the blogs’ role in the Lamont campaign. And after the break is a great satire on HoJo.
The Duponts made their family fortune manufacturing explosives, including munitions…
so should we keep our powder dry?
John Amato referred to Odious Joe as Zell Lieberman.
I like it.
Bush/Coulter Republican, Zell Lieberman.
-GSD
punaise @ 130
yes, because otherwise it will get confiscated at the airport.
(I am so bad).
punaise @ 130
so what does wet powder look like?
RevDeb @ 129
And you can download the broadcast for free when they get it uploaded:
http://www.airamerica.com/prem…..?type=free
Click on “Free Podcasts”.
heh explosive.
speaking of stories the day before the election, what happened with the eleven egyptian students heading for montana who never arrived? Here’s the most recent article, currently, from Thursday: http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US……students/
little tucker bowtie was all over this on monday. today, students are still missing, although some are in custody, and
I wonder.
RevDeb @ 134
and how do you draw lines with wet powder?
That was a great Howie Klein thread I just caught up on. I got a $250 spot bonus at work the other day – half of it’s going to the credit card and the other half is going to Act Blue candidates.
gun powder, people! (DuPont Nemours)
Yes, keep your powder dry.
Oilfieldguy @ 136
what kind of lines are we drawing?
I think the lines they draw on the highway start out wet and dry real fast.
Attack!
ATTACK!
ATTACK!
actually “keeping the powder dry” is the rallying cry of the non-pushback DLC don’t rock the boat namby-pambies, so it was tongue in cheek
punaise @ 139
Serious high velocity blow there dude! Like wiring headphones into the microwave. Oh, the colors!
Jane has another post at HuffPo (no graphic)
I am done flying. Just gonna hafta drive to see my best friend Jane in Madison. Scrutinizing our tampons, for christ’s sake.
Blow me, police state.
TeddySanFran @ 106
I have a different read on this. Seems to be Ned’s way of saying, OKAY, I acknowledge that my ancestor was a **********/whatever, but I look at his actions from a different perspective. A clever way of diffusing the J. P. Morgan stuff, and by extension, how he comes by his multimillions. Yes I admit I’m rich and how this money was made, well, hmm, but I am going to do something positive with it. Works for me!!
When I grow up, I’m gonna be a full-time writer.
OK, xyz – I think THIS SITE is helpful. The main “air america” button loaded realplayer, but no sound came out. However, the KPHX stream came out loud and clear. There are lots of buttons to try, and hopefully there will be a working stream for everybody.
when i grow up i’m gonna be a oilfieldguy
and your little dog too,
I suspect it’s all about deep pocketed donors that all those Democrats routinely appeal to. Hillary, the Big Dawg, Schumer, Dodd, Kennedy, Kerry, Biden….. and Lieberman all probably work off pretty much the same list.
Pre-primary polls showed Lieberman easily winning a three way in the general. My guess is that everyone is waiting for next week’s polls to come out. Lieberman will still be leading in that three-way, but if his lead has narrowed, and I suspect it has, everyone will tell those donors. I doubt the unions are going to help Joe. He doesn’t have the Democratic party infrastructure behind him. IMO, those donors are Lieberman’s “last stand.” Once they stop contributing and stop taking his calls, I think he’ll throw in the towel. If he doesn’t, he’s just going to watch the post primary polls do what the pre-primary polls did, show Ned’s popularity.
Ned has zero legislative experience. Ned had name recognition in the single digits in January. People in CT didn’t care. Once they met him, they liked him and wanted him to be their Senator, not Joe.
When I grow up I want to be the guitar player in Delbert McClinton’s band.
Cozumel @ 63
I agree with you that there should have been a red flag. Plus, the reporter, Mark Davis, used the word “sabotage” to describe this website issue. That’s an incendiary word…he didn’t say there was a “problem”. It was all meant to smear Lamont, plain and simple. No homework was done, that’s for sure!
the flag of the newly independent Republic of Panama was designed in J.P.Morgan’s home — Ned’s great-grandpa was Morgan’s partner — Morgan had bought up all those worthless French Panama Canal bonds but with a functioning canal, they became extremely valuable. I’m sure TR & Lamont Sr collaborated …
TeddySanFran @ 150
We have thirty foot joints, five gallon buckets of dope, we trip all the time and every rig has its own pusher.
TeddySanFran @ 124
OFG’s very existence is flirting. Are you saying he can never post? :)
Down girl.
Astralplame – It works! Thanks for the link.
there is remarkably little flirting in these comment threads (if you dont count predatory homosexuality over SpazeBoy)
hahahahaha
When I grow up I’m going to be a feisty old brilliant dyke that all the kids want to have.
http://severtski.com/2006/08/not-terrorist.html
{clutches pearls}
Ok, I just called AP HQ (hat tip to Guitar Playing Bastard way upstream) and asked what bureau Sue Haigh was attached to. They said Hartford and transferred me and I had a nice chat with the lady who answered, asked to talk to Sue. Not there. She asked my name and business. Said I’m an IT guy and a Lamont supporter and am not happy with the Lieberman hacked website coverage.
She said Sue deserved a break, she’s a political reporter with no portfolio for IT, and that all kinds of stuff was thrown at her election day, she and the rest of them were working their butts off all day trying to put out a respectable product.
I asked for the Bureau Chief. His name is David Marcus, but he won’t be in until Monday either. She said my best bet was to take it up with the Bureau News Editor Patrick Sanders, but he too is out till Monday.
She seemed a bit abashed by the whole thing, indicating they feel they are in the middle of all these crazed politicians throwing shit around and are just doing their best to make sense of it all. She directed me to an updated story by Pat Eaton out yesterday, is going to email me the link, but of course everybody can find that online.
.
Oilfieldguy @ 148
YES…the world is waiting……..
Just say you knew us when. :)
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/
Shows proof that Lieberman’s e-mail was up and working….
There was a Section B story on Lieberman today in the NYT.
The interviewees (about 3 dozen) were a mixed bunch.
A few said that they had thought about supporting Lamont after he won the primary, but changed their minds since the story broke of the terrorist plot in Britian. The bedwetter wing of the Democratic party…
They asked the people they interviewed if they thought it was appropriate for Joe to run as an independent after he lost the primary. Only a minority were angry at him for doing so and the authors postulated that those people had all probably voted for Lamont anyway. Then they followed up with an individual who voted for Lieberman, but would vote for Lamont in November, because
If you decide to go into it, and you lose, you lose.How that squares with the authors comments above is beyond me.Another was a registered Democrat (registered for 40 years) who would stick with Mr. Lieberman enthusiastically. The man did say he voted for Bush in 2004 and commented that he didn’t know what the Democratic party stood for.
Interesting selection of people included in the article.
astralplame-try KLSD in San Diego. It usually works for me when I can’t bring up some others.
I am listening to it now.
M @ 116
So when do we start Netroots Full Court Press Publishing? We should be printing out flyers of this press release, along with a background list with a few known facts of the situation included such as Joe’s slam Ned mirror site that did NOT go down, etc., and blanket America with them. Get it in writing and get those flyers everywhere for all the non bloggers, the young and old, America in general to see and get OUR message.
There’s thousands of pairs of eyes reading this thread as we type that have printers, living in every state. A ream of paper and some ink is pennies compared to our future. They did this to Ned, they will try to repeat it in all 50 states this fall, let’s do what we can to stem it in every way possible, NOW.
Like Sharkbabe said:
“Do NOT let this go away and DO NOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS.”
And everybody’s aswoon over TRex – I personally want to have his glasses’ baby
MikeB Rocks!
See his 3:43.
He answered Jane’s question.
What Shez said – I can’t wait to jump on this crap in newer and bigger ways.
Gah! Just read the first page (couldn’t force myself to the second) of OK kiddo’s linky at 37 ^ to Marc Gellman’s thing in yesterday’s Newsweek. He may call himself “Rabbi,” but if this is his teaching, he befouls the honorable title to the extent that I won’t accord it to him.
Just listen to his bilge:
P.S. When I grow up, I’m gonna be taller’n 5′1-&-3/4″ — yayezz and by damn!
Your making me sound like a cad and a rake. Seriously, I’m not that bad. My deal with M, aka VG is that she has run into some real jerks, and in my own tongue-in-cheek sorta way, I try to show there exist blue collar heteros who are not mysoginistic (sp?) objectifiers of women. With some notable and spectacular failures in that regard on my behalf. I think she about has me figured out, I am rather simple. The reverse is not true. Glad I got to see her pic w/Jane published in the NYT I believe.
CA DFLer @
166
now I’m seeing colors….
Hey I knew TRex when he was just a humble fdl commenter. Now look!! WSJ!!!
OFG, you’re next!
I’m still having fun asking Matt O. how his book is coming along.
If he everWhen he writes his book I insist on full credit fornagging incessantlygently encouraging him to put his words into print. :DOkay, I’m going to call the Hartford AP office now.
guitar playing bastard hits the bull’s eye when he talks about advertising dollars — the advertising dollars being spent under bush’s regime are largely pro-war — the white house provides the events & the mainstream media create the pro-war frame that supports the canvas of war reporting & pro-war advertising — but for americans, front runners that they are, each war must bring victory, which is why all of a sudden israel’s fiasco in lebanon is dropping out of sight just as ours in iraq & earlier in afghanistan have already done
[Reality]… All wars (any kind of war) is never ending. Human beings are just that way.
If you want to win a battle, you have to be willing to fight the battle at all costs to the chosen enemy so as to win… Else, escape. But even retreat is but only a postponement to another inevitable battle. If you are going to fight, fight to win and take all, else all will be taken back from You.
OFG — i was pulling your cute leg. i’m just snarky because you’re so firmly committed to your team, and so cute!
John Casper @ 151
I know, I know.
But on a personal level. Who would shrug off a snub like the one Lieberman laid on Dodd?
Surely Dodd has a big ol’ ego, too.
Shez @ 166
I read that too and IIRC, the interviews were in Waterberry (sp) which I understand is Lieberman country. Hardly representative.
“She said Sue deserved a break, she’s a political reporter with no portfolio for IT, and that all kinds of stuff was thrown at her election day, she and the rest of them were working their butts off all day trying to put out a respectable product.”
That is complete and utter bullshit. Either you get the truth or you don’t RUN IT! That kind of lily-livered excuse making is another reason I got out of the business. You get a source you can count on, call the hosting company, at least make a good-faith effort to get the truth. Sounds to me like Haigh was stenoing for Lieberfuck.
I may call them myself and rake ‘em. Because that excuse doesn’t hold a drop of spit.
lotus,
Shorter Gellman: Reasonable people agree with him and support Joe, everyone else is crazy.
lotus 171 – god, what a mix of cluelessness and WATBhood.
Hey Gellman – BECAUSE HE’S THE FLUFFER OF THE WORST FUCKING PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
Sheez, who are they letting out of Rabbi school these days?
Sharkbabe @ 183
never tells us what she really feels….
OT, Story at msnbc.com.
Seems Bush Admin. and the Brits disagreed on timing of arrests
“NBC: U.S., U.K. disagreed on timing”
Bush, You are SOOOOOOOO BUSTED!!!!
CA DFLer @ 165
Thank you! I have bookmarked it for later, because Saturday is my listen-to-music-all-day day. And, in theory, clean-the-kitchen-but-good day. 1 out of 2 ain’t bad.
deviantdevil,
And if winning means firing up the ovens, you think that’s OK too? Or should we just slag anyone with nukes if they disagree with us? I don’t accept the idea, the mindset, or the attitude.
Someone high-ranking in the Democratic Party needs to stand up and do to Joe Lieberman what Lieberman did to Bill Clinton in 1998.
Heck, maybe Bill Clinton himself. Oh. Would. That. Be. Sweet.
Seriously, I wonder what a lot of the Dems who did sincerely support Lieberman in the primary are thinking now as the man unravels further every day. They probably did support Joe with the best intentions — to help a well-liked colleague in need. What is going through Barbara Boxer’s mind now as she sees this bitter meltdown from the fellow senator she respected and campaigned for?
Y’know, in the 21st century, being a reporter with a brief for politics pretty much has to mean being able to “get” the internets. Unless you’re covering Ted Stevens, it really helps to know something about the toobz. Not to be an IT expert, necessarily, but there are simple things one should know.
Like calling someone who knows.
I love those majestic old terms like cad and rake. But bounder is my total fave.
A reporter reports. They quote others. There is no search for truth, that is why they are called stories.
Write a letter to the editor of the Hartford Courant mocking Richard Blumenthal’s reluctance to comment on the outcome of the investigation of the ‘hacked site’. First write and ask them to investigate why nothing has been done by the AG to satisfy the demand for an investigation. Remember tho, Dick Blumenthal was one of a dozen of the main Democratic polititians who came out to the Unity Breakfast that the CT Dems held for Ned Lamont the morning of August 9th. The CT Dems have withdrawn their support for Joe Lieberman. I don’t believe he can get it back and Dick, despite his past affiliation with Joe, is first and foremost – a good Democrat!
Sharkbabe @ 184
You might want to use “sheesh”, I always think you’re talkin’ to me at first! Heh
*grinz*
and your little dog too,
sorry, I didn’t finish my thought, it’s all about the deep pocketed donors. IMHO, Dodd doesn’t
give a shitcare about Lieberman. The only reason he’s holding back, is because of Joe’s “national image,” that Bush/Rove gave him, and the sway that might give Joe with some of those donors. Dodd and the rest of the Dems don’t want to take any risks wrt pissing off any of those donors.Gellman: …He is modest and self effacing. He is moral and faithful. He is principled and intelligent …
Modest and self-effacing: he named a political party for himself.
Moral and faithful: he backs up his political opponents and attacks members of his own party.
Principled and intelligent: he blames the overload of his own website on his opponent.
Sharkbabe @
146
Homeland Security jumped the shark on this one.
*ilson46201 @ 159
If Spazeboy didn’t want to be stalked…erm I mean flirted with…he wouldn’t dress like such a skank!
(I keed, I keed)
Shez @ 167
Shez’s suggestion sounds practical and effective. I heard FDL has about 70,000 readers a day (or many more, I hope), and don’t we all have printers? Even a daily one-page leaflet on the several bulletin boards I pass every day would expand the reach of this site.
Gotta Remember- back in the 60’s leaflets worked. Now it’s leaflets with URL’s
Homeland Security jumped the shark on this one.
I do believe/hope you’re right. My repuke (but otherwise beloved) brother has to fly all the time, and I doubt he is amused right now. Multiply him by millions.
it’s considered very unprofessional to write last-minute ‘bombshell’ stories. Traditional media try to portray themselves as ‘objective’ and carrying obviously election-influencing stories is beyond the pale. Sue’s election-day reporting was one-sided stenography — her colleagues are probably giggling at her and the story. Her editor never should have approved the publication …
You know, we can’t NOT fight back on this. Because when state and federal investigations are blared all over the MSM that gets people’s attention. People take this as a serious matter and don’t think the authorities would ever get involved if there wasn’t some truth in the accusations. And the stench of the false rumor sticks.
It’s outrageous the way these lies were trumpeted. We’ll never get a headline retraction but we’ve gotta try.
How women carrying lipbalm became terrorist supporters: thank you britair,
Disruption – hand baggage restrictions
Summary With immediate effect, the following arrangements apply to all passengers starting their journey, at a UK or United States of America airport and to those transferring between flights at a UK airport. All cabin baggage must be processed as hold baggage and carried in the hold of passenger aircraft departing UK airports. Note: Passengers are advised that ALL electrical or battery powered items including laptops, mobile phones, portable music players, remote controls etc cannot be carried in the cabin and must be checked in as hold baggage,.
Passengers may take through the airport security search point, in a single (ideally transparent) plastic carrier bag, only the following items. Nothing may be carried in pockets:- pocket size wallets and pocket size purses plus contents (for example money, credit cards, identity cards etc (not handbags)); travel documents essential for the journey (for example passports and travel tickets); prescription medicines and medical items sufficient and essential for the flight (eg diabetic kit), except in liquid form unless verified as authentic. spectacles and sunglasses, without cases. contact lens holders, without bottles of solution. for those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger) and sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags). female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes).
tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs keys (but no electrical key fobs) Every other item must be carried in customer’s hold luggage. All passengers must be hand searched, and their footwear and all the items they are carrying must be x-ray screened.
Pushchairs and walking aids must be x-ray screened, and only airport-provided wheelchairs may pass through the screening point. In addition to the above, all passengers boarding flights to the USA and all the items they are carrying, including those acquired after the central screening point, must be subjected to secondary search at the boarding gate. Any liquids discovered must be removed from the passenger. Customers travelling to the UK from overseas airports may be subject to local airport restrictions and therefore customers should plan to travel with the very minimum of hand luggage.
Sheesh it is, Shez…
New post up.
roger the lodger @ 176
Those are YOUR tax dollars, thanks to Rendon/Lincoln Propaganda R Us.
astralplame — if you want to stream Air America, I’ve found using the radio folder on iTunes works great. Just open iTunes, click on the radio folder, then the Talk/Spoken word subfolder and double click on Air America. If I stream from the Air America web page, it cuts out a lot, but with iTunes that doesn’t happen for me. (I’m usually using my “beach computer,” a cheap, light little compaq laptop I bought for traveling.)
DO we have to run a campaign to buy copies of Internet for Dummies for reporters as well as Congress? Because by now reporters at least should have gotten a clue.
Media only report things they think have interest for the viewers, or things they think they can use to drum up interest. The LA Times might report a process story, like they did today on “Democrats Go on Offense in Latest Terror Case”, but TV never does. They report something breathlessly, then move on to the next shiny object.
Introspection and process doesn’t sell advertising, at least according to current theory and practice.
I think putting AP and other media centers on notice that we will be watching and on them like, well, flies and all that, might give them pause. A little tiny pause to think about responsibility.
Or not.
I can’t imagine CNN giving one thought to us and other people who practice critical thinking. They are completely focused on ratings and eyeballs, and lurid baseless breathless claims of controversy are the coin of the realm.
And the worst of all of this, is that these criminals are getting paid, on a payroll for all of this BS
I’m flying to *ilson’s neck of the woods (ok, corn fields) Wednesday. From LAX. Gosh it sounds like fun.
Too bad about Marc Gellman. I like his books a lot, but because he turns out to be an ass, I won’t recommend them or use them any more.
Nor will I say what they are. Why give him business?
On Yahoo, scroll down to number 9. Misleading or what?
http://news.search.yahoo.com/n…..ont&c=
Ned Lamont to Apologize to Waterbury Mayor for Slimy Slight
Fox News – Aug 11 10:13 AM
Lamont told a reporter Tuesday that Waterbury, Conn., was a place where “slime” and “evil” meet; his campaign later said the candidate would apologize
So as not to step on Matt’s post, I’ll leave this here. Robert Fisk: “If you want the roots of terror, try here.” (Once again, Fisk’s article is doubled, appearing twice on the same page. Happens a lot at ICH.)
JWR, The Indy’s stories appear in two-column format, and I found that, when copying stuff from there to email to friends, if I just copied the whole story, I got that doubling. Once I tried copying one-column-at-a-time, the doubling disappeared. Probably ICH hasn’t learned that trick . . .
Thanks, Lotus, that explains it. That Fisk piece is one of those I’ve grown to love him for. No fooling around when he calls ‘em like he sees ‘em.
Late to the party, again…
My take on Jane’s post is really quite simple. Information is going out via the major media outlets and wire services that we know to be incorrect, or at best, leave much of the rest of the story unsaid. Since none of us has the ability to put our facts and information directly onto the cue cards of TV reporters, and none of us has the ability to edit the written stories of the print media, that leaves letting them know that we know that what they are putting out there is severely lacking in facts and in balance.
Will that make a difference? With some, it will. With others, it won’t. And timing is everything. In some cases, it’s too late to start making the calls in the hours and days after a badly researched and unbalanced story. There has to be a way to encourage and inspire these hacks to get it right the first time.
We are fighting the corporate ownership, which may have the editorial staff in its back pocket, subtly cutting and editing stories until they are little more than puff pieces or advertisements.
The choices the media make about what to report is another area where we have no control. Tonight, NBC is broadcasting the “news” that a Newsweek poll shows that Americans trust Republicans over Democrats on handling the war on terror, by 55% to 45%. Don’t recall their being so vocal about the AP poll last week, reported in the WaPo, that said just the opposite.
It’s important to note that no one is asking for the same kind of special treatment that the media gave Lieberman – what we do want is the truth, or an opportunity to present more than one side of the story.
It seems to me that when we can show the media that they’ve been had, been used, it helps make them more discriminating in the information they are willing to use without checking.
What we can’t do is nothing.
Anne @ 220
And the reporters who were graced with the conference call from Cheney to dump on Lamont?
Why don’t they feel used enough to write something tough?
what John Casper sez at approx. 215:
I so agree. Progressives do not encourage harassment. Period.
Dan Gerstein needs a dose of his own medicine.
From Howie Klein’s blog at HuffPo:
“I want to point out that we’re not talking about someone who volunteered to hand out flyers at a Lieberman rally in Stamford once. Dan Gerstein was a senior Democratic strategist who worked with Lieberman for 10 years and collaborated with him on the infamous stab in the back he administered to Bill Clinton at a time when only partisan Republicans were calling for Clinton’s impeachment over the Monica Lewinsky brouhaha.”
Lierberman and by extension Dan Gerstein need their faces rubbed in their own piddle. Dan Gerstein probably is a major factor in HoJo’s Rethuglican-Lite “Indie” run decision. Find out who he gets his checks from and his “senior Democratic strategist” meal ticket will disappear out from under him.
Nail him to the fence post so all the other DLC ‘consultants’ can view their impending fate.
little dog – you point is well taken, in that I think the media is way too willing to just lap up whatever they are given – they are fine with being little more than stenographers.
Why is that? You’d think they would have learned somethig after being completely bamboozled on the run-up to the Iraq war, but so much time went by before the truth came out that it was like they felt no need to own up to their own lapses.
That’s why timing is so important. If too much time goes by without the media being called on their shoddy reporting, they really don’t care, and too many of the public have moved on. I will be shocked if anyone in the media ever backtracks on this phony hacking story, and if they do, it will be little more than a footnote on page 22.
Maybe the key is with the local people – not the national media reps. If you can get the locals to speak up, that may bring the bigger fish in.
On the Lieberman thing, it was the national media that set the story line – high-profile, long-term Democrat, chosen to run as VP only 6 years ago gets blindsided by “anti-war millionaire unknown.” They made the same mistake Joe did in his campaign: believing that he was entitled to some special level of credibility, so much so that they completely ignored the real story: that he was out-of-touch with his constituents, on the wrong side of too many issues, that he was so enamored of being the guy everybody in DC liked that he forgot how to fight for Democratic values and positions.
Somewhere along the line, the media forgot that it was not supposed to set the story line, but report the who, what, when, where and why – now, breaking through this wall that the media constructs is one tough task.
I think we need a cable channel called “BlogTV;” can you imagine what a difference it might make if FDL and Glenn Greenwald and Digby and Taylor Marsh and others were to come at people through their televisions? “Bloggles” the mind! *g*
GPB at 181
AMEN! There’s absolutely NO excuse that reporter Susan whatsis can hide behind. Yes, errors appear in stories. It’s inevitable. But all news outlets have Corrections sections. And once challenges start being filed, any editor worth his/her salt should see to it the reporter involved finds out what the truth is, and publishes a retraction ASAP.
Whenever the mistakes involve an election, all the above should be written in CAPS!
Saying the reporter isn’t familiar with a topic she covers will NOT stand. Whoever published the misinformation should be hammered till they publish correct information.
I was delighted to see Ned’s site is going after this aggressively. I hope CT-resident FDLers will also complain – that would be much stronger than out-of-staters getting involved at this point, turf wars being what they are…
Jane, Christy, Pach
Thanks for your leadership, spunk, and careful methods of going forth on activism topics.
The careful research, lively forum, self-correcting methods within the blog make FDL unimpeachable!
Kinda wish Ned was showing the three fingered peace sign instead of the two finger Nixon victory sign in your photo, but you have to take these things step by step. Question for you all. Once this is over and Mr. Lamont is a Senator who is going to keep him accountable.
I think there is another phase about to unfold.
Peter Overby also reported the hacking allegations on NPR, along with the allegation that it was Ned’s money that made the difference!
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