
You know Karl Rove is getting serious about using Joe Lieberman’s swollen ego to destroy the Democratic party from within when he trots out his good friend Rush Limbaugh to attack Ned Lamont’s campaign manager Tom Swan over a local politics crack that could not possibly be of any comprehensible interest to his knuckledragger faithful.
Paul Bass wrote about the topic that Rush now finds so abjectly fascinating he had to devote a chunk of his daily bloviating to it today:
The mayor of Connecticut’s corruption capital, Waterbury, endorsed U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman’s independent bid for reelection. He also attacked Democratic candidate Ned Lamont’s campaign manager (Tom Swan, pictured) for his quote in an election-night Independent story suggesting that Waterbury — which keeps producing felonious, imprisoned elected politicians (Rowland, Giordano, Santopietro, etc.) — has, uh, a corruption problem. (Guess which candidate Waterbury voted for in the primary?)
If you were scratching your head wondering how this made it onto Rush’s radar, scratch no longer. It also climbed onto the front page of the San Francisco Chronicle, most of whose readers would probably be hard pressed to tell you where exactly Waterbury was, courtesy of the curiously Lieberman-loving AP. All the stops are being pulled out within the Mighty Wurlitzer to blast Lieberman PR far and wide — the wrecking ball that is Joe’s "Kiss My Ring" party is of tremendous use to the GOP.
As Arianna says:
Here’s the bottom line: Ned Lamont ran against the war in Iraq, a war that Joe Lieberman vehemently supported — and still supports. A war that 60 percent of Americans are against. A war that is the defining foreign policy initiative of the Bush administration — an initiative that has been an abject failure on every level. A war that has put the GOP’s back against the electoral wall. So it’s firing back with it’s favorite weapon — fear — trying to make the case that being against the war somehow makes Lamont soft on national security or, as RNC chair Ken Mehlman put it, "a leading proponent of the isolationist, defeatist, blame-America-first philosophy."
Talk about desperate. So do Cheney/Rove/Mehlman really believe that 60 percent of the public are blame-America-firsters? Or that because 60 percent of us agree that Iraq is a disaster, we somehow don’t have "the will" to, in Cheney’s words, "stay in the fight and complete the task" of taking on the terrorists — and thus are encouraging al Qaeda types?
Of course not. They know being against the war in Iraq doesn’t mean you are against fighting the war on terror. It means you are against a failed policy that has created more terrorists than it has killed, that has cost America 2,591 lives and $305 billion dollars, that has thrown Iraq into a bloody sectarian civil war, and that has so lessened our standing abroad that we are unable to be a real power broker in an exploding Middle East.
Are leading Democrats so afraid of being branded "soft on terror" that they don’t want to step into the fray? Is it that hard to admit that the war they got conned into is a cocked-up mess without allowing the vastly unpopular GOP codpiece crap to dominate the narrative? Do they fear that Lieberman will win and caucus with the GOP? Or are they just happy at the idea that the blogger irritant will be successfully diverted by this race well into the fall and stay off their collective cases? All of the above?
It doesn’t really matter, because the only real question is, how much damage is Joe going to be allowed to do to Lamont, and to the Democratic Party, before the party bigwigs step in and shut him down? I’m not even sure they can, but every day they stand by and let Joe run his mouth about soft-on-terror Democrats, more and more damage is done that can never be undone. Salazar needs to have his chain yanked, the DSCC needs to come in clearly on Lamont’s side, and if Bill and Hillary are truly the party leaders they ought to show up in Connecticut and spare no effort to assure people that Joe’s willingness to sacrifice the party for his own petty, selfish and whiny purposes will not be tolerated.
It would be nice to see a little whip cracking as we cruise into November, some kind of reassuring gesture to let people know Karl Rove is not going to be allowed to dictate the terms of the next election with a 36% mandate. I know it’s a radical thought, but let’s entertain it just for a moment anyway, shall we?
Related posts:
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- Lieberman’s Filibuster Threats Run Counter to 2006 Campaign Rhetoric
- Early Morning Swim: Glenn Greenwald and Rachel Maddow Take Down Joe Lieberman
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JANE!
Scarecrow!
Roots! Ned! Firepups and Ladies of the Lake!
[am I really Frist?]
Scarecrow!
What ever happened to Fitz?
Jane, it just may be that hillary’s worried about ned — last thing she wants is a fellow democrat serving in the senate who’s smarter than she is & who knows how to meet a payroll
Sheesh, of course I wasn’t first.
Looking at that photo has made me so melancholy, longing for the time when politicos in high places spoke in complete sentences and employed polysyllabic words.
What’s the Dem strategy for defusing this PR attack: just wait and see? I can’t see how Joe and Karl can sustain this media momentum throughout the month, let alone until November.
I made the case in thread below that on social security and Iraq, attacking Lieberman and BushCo is the same thing. So, go for it, I say. Attack attack attack the LieberBush.
It is spooky, but Lieberman, right today, is playing the exact same role as he did several years ago in two areas:
–giving nearly dead bushCo plan to destroy social security centrist political cover
–blocking political momentum to stall BushCo Middle East-Iraq-war on terror madness and/or fraud.
It’s like a political groundhog day. Democratic party needs to place Lieberman right along side Bush. It’s a bit more than a kiss now, ain’t it. Need to shove a morning after pill down somebody’s throat. The kid is going to make Rosemary’s Baby look like Shirley Temple.
Drive the LieberBush out of the realm of politically decent conversation.
roger the lodger @
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rodger, Hillary endorsed the winner of the CT primary. After Ned won it, she endorsed him by name. Then she sent him a check from HILLPAC for $5,000. The issue is forcing Joe out. That means persuading donors who have been giving to him for the last 18 years, to hang up when he calls.
If the Dem leaders don’t come together and pound this BS into the ground, it won’t matter very much what we do. The people got this ball rolling and now it’s the bigwigs turn to start hitting back.
Fighting back feels good. It is good. And sometimes, you win. Punching back at Tom DeLay by suing him brought his criminal actions to light. That helped get him out of office. Fighting back when he weaseled off to VA forced him to withdraw from the race, leaving the Repug slot blank.
Fight, damn it, fight! Every time, in every district.
All this time, when Bush was talking about the “they” that hates us for our freedom, I coulda SWORN he meant al-Qaeda.
Who knew he meant the British?
Apparently, they took that Revolutionary War thing harder than we thought.
Frankly I think the Dem Party grownups should respond with some fearmongering of their own. Threaten to seize Halliburton’s assets to help pay for the cost of the Iraq quagmire. Threaten to drag every fucking Republican to the Hague in irons. Threaten to litigate the hell out of every corporation supporting the fascist Bush regime.
Oh and KKKarl, we bloggers can multi-task, unlike your cocksucking administration. You wanna play rough buddy? Unlike the Dems in Congress, we have spines baby!
Hillary late yesterday…
“I understand his feeling, it’s a difficult time for him and his family,” Clinton said at a campaign event in Harlem. “But I said more than a month ago that I would support the winner of the Democratic primary and that’s what I intend to do in every way that I’m requested.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ieberman_3
It seems that we need more than just Democrats. We need fighting Democrats. We could find that other Dems have been lieberized hence unfit for the job at hand.
http://www.LieberDem.com
http://www.LieberLoser.com
Great post Jane.
If someone else has linked to this I apologize. But Steve Clemons has a great post up titled: “Cheney, Hannity & Lieberman: When Fear is All You Have”
That about sums it up, doesn’t it?
Read Steve: http://thewashingtonnote.com/
That’s $305 billion plus interest…
Didn’t Stieglitz calculate that it would end up being about $2 trillion?
Funny line from Al Franken’s producer this morning: “the Connecticut for Lieberman Party has announced their canditate for Senator.”
Joe, using Rove’s proven sleaze tactics, is intent on destroying the Democrats in order to appease his giant ego, and what paltry leadership there is needs to stand up to this crap. Paging Mr Dean…
When is the Lamont team going to fight back? Hour after hour the T.V. is full of ranting republicans and their paid for shill T.V. talking heads — if there is not some counter balance Ned will be buried before he even gets started.
Sitting back and giving the D.C. dems time to talk to Joe is only giving Joe time to cement the general perception of Ned.
Talk about fear, after the Bolten Big Push to show Andy Card how it’s done, Chimpy’s JAR is right back down to 33%. Some folks at 1600 Pa. Ave. are grunting out entire brickyards these days.
Now here is a photo of some grownups: http://www.vcsc.k12.in.us/staf…..drwife.gif
The thing that drives this Democrat to distraction, if not bananas, is what drives Senator Clinton in not being able to say she made a mistake in voting for the Bush War in Iraq? Americans like someone who recognizes their mistakes and most importantly decidedly does the things which are necessary to correct those errors in judgment. Come on Senator, it’s not a big deal. I’d like to vote for you in ‘08. Give me a good excuse to do that.
Jeez, have you got this one nailed, lady. The election is being defined right now, and if the Dem’s leaders/grownups can’t see that, they’re clueless.
So far, a few Dems are picking up on Lamont’s argument that Iraq is a diversion, we took our eye off the ball (OBL) and now we’re in greater danger than before. That argument was fine Tuesday nite, but not enough by Wednesday.
But that’s only half the argument. The other half is needed to deal with the latest argument wrt to the recent arrests of airline plotters. JL and others are claiming “lamontism” hurts our efforts to thwart such plots. They’re linking Lamont with terrorists, for Chris sakes! Dems need to call that out and condemn it.
But noone is making the argument that the primary motivation for such plots is Bush’s reckless policies around the globe. The Dems should be painting Bush as reckless, putting us in danger, hurting our ability to act as a credible peacemaker in the ME, rather than the cheering section for the most agressive policies of the neocons here and in Israel.
none of the Democrats lining up sniffing at the Presidential nomination have backed Joey Two Times. Mrs. Clinton, Bayh, Edwards, Richardson have all endorsed Ned promptly…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
She hasn’t said much, granted. But she did say if we knew then what we know now there wouldn’t have been a vote. That’s certainly not Lieberman’s position.
*ilson46201 -
Any luck on procuring http://www.CT4Liebermansheadonastick.com?
Too long?
Too cruel?
A shout out to lhp if she shows later.
Is this weekend when Howie was going to have the NY candidate she mentioned, though? Who is Howie teeing up for this weekend?
[My laptop is still very weird - about 1 in 10/12 efforts posts - so if I’m posting - it probably means I’m at work. ]
I’m re-reading and bumming over the AICPAC case. Hard cases, bad law. I want the twits to get hit hard, but not enough to want to see what is evolving with the Espionage Act. Nothing for Rove or Libby, but a Judge saying that this approach could have sent the Pentagon Papers publishers to jail. And now he’s put it out there.
I’ve felt that bad, gnawing feeling since Miller went to jail. This is a completely amoral administration that has appointed and promoted one person after another within DOJ, all willing to forever change the landscape of this country; either through political expediency or cowardice. We have such a frightening set of options being placed on the table, and not really one person that can be reliably looked to in DOJ to act responsibly and ethically.
I think a lot about the cartoon of “child Bush” taking a match to the Constitution, while the doting parents, dubbed “Congress” watch complacently.
Where are the grown ups? Pretty good question. I need a drink.
Jane – Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Kurt @12 – Spot on. If only big blue dogs would stand up now and put Joe out to pasture while embracing the Ned message. They are throwing this opportunity away.
Yes we need to attack attack attack – but I also think this Rove terror mindfuck shit is really growing shopworn and threadbare. Not being able to take Chapstick on a plane might just be the tipping point of this whole terror con game.
And just on an added note, the republican financial channel is starting its ‘if dems win in Nov.’ chant that the dems will start passing laws against businesses. What, they did not do well under Clinton?
EPU’d-I think that the only way to counter them is to mock the living shit out of them, pour on the sarcasm and snark until they are drowning in it. This will only drive them so say more and more repulsive things and further expose them as the morally and intellectually bankrupt cowards they are. Make the projection so obvious that a blind man can see it.
“Khan, I’m laughing at the ’superior’ intellect…”
Cutting and running, but *ilson –
Did you snarf up LabradoodlesforLieberman.com ?
I understand why my 23 is in mod. You can delete it.
All the Dems filter all their public comments based on how they will sound after another 9/11.
When Feingold called for the Censure of Bush for breaking the law, he specifically said, “of course we should tape record terrorists.”
That statement, however, never made it into press reports. The TM said Feingold was against the War
in Erroron Terror.shooogarp @
25
for $9.20, anybody can buy an unused domain name and then “aim” it to whatever other web address one wishes. It was Rayne from here that got me started on my mini-empire of Joe-mockery…
*ilson46201 @ 34
Rupert watch out! Here comes *ilson!
in Congress, the conservative Democrats in the House have a “Blue Dog Democrat Caucus” which is in opposition to the non-existent “Yellow Dog Democrat Caucus”.
Kurt @ 5:38 pm – “Threaten to seize Halliburton’s assets to help pay for the cost of the Iraq quagmire.”
Halliburton’s assets (including the assets and liabilities of its Kellogg, Brown, and Root subsidiary) amount to about 20 billion dollars, and its liabilities amount to about 15 billion dollars. A forced sale of Hallliburton’s assets might yield nothing after its existing creditors are paid.
The final two paragraphs of this article are precisely the thoughts I intended to convey in my comment from yesterday. I couldn’t agree more with this article. Lieberman is more than an “independent”, an irritant. He is a traitor. A modern-day benedict Arnold. He betrays his party as he adopts R team talking points and slanders the proper nominee and all Democrats as well. You don’t play cozy with a traitor. You don’t show sensitivity.
Which is why I question Hillary et al in their rather tepid response to this outrage. Oh sure, they all mouthed the words “I’ll support the nominee”…big deal. And sure, Hillary cuts a check for 5 grand….how many millions does she have in her war chest? The failure of so-called Democrat leaders to get off their ass, on their own initiative, and whack Lieberman appalls me.
You do not ever play footsie with a traitor. For he is the most vile, and must be treated so. And I don’t care how good a man he is, or was. Nor do I care about his past accomplishments. Joe Benedict Arnold Lieberman must be called for what he is. A traitor is a traitor is a traitor. All Democrat leaders need to converge on Ct. and rapidly.
And they must give, in symbolic fashion, that which Joe Benedict Arnold Lieberman deserves: the hangman’s noose.
Ghostman
When will there be a new poll out of CT for the 3-way Senate race?
It’s the DINO factor. Lamont won. Other DINOs acknowledge that but they still don’t have to like it. They figure best case although unlikely Lieberman pulls it out. Worse case Lamont wins. So either they keep their DINO or they cut the new boy down to size. Win/win as far as they are concerned and what makes this truly attractive to all self respecting DINOs is that they don’t have to do anything which is precisely what DINOs are best at.
What Ghostman said. Lieberman is no different from Dick Satan Cheney Himself in my book.
WHERE’S NED AT?
On this insanity that a vote for Ned is a vote for the London bombers, I’ve heard no rejoinder from Lamont, though the media such as NPR/Air Amer. are connecting the Joe-Cheney dots.
Ned needs to define himself. Local and national outlets are pegging him the anti-war candidate, but as far as I know, he’s only anti-THIS-war.
Anybody got links to Lamont or Swan statements since Election Day?
Susan @ 5:53
Blah blah blah blah blah. I notice your blog doesn’t have comments enabled. You’re sure able to vent some spleen on others, but are apparently can’t take it when people do the same to you?
Coward. Don’t let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya.
no LieberChow for the trolls !
Susan, please educate us all. On what issue is Joe a Democrat?
Susan do you have any idea how “blue” CT is?
It’s not like Nevada, where your website says you’re from. CT isn’t like NE or CO which also have Democratic Senators.
Susan, when someone from a really blue, really safe Democratic state, such as Joe Lieberman from CT, begins taking neocon positions, it pulls all Dems further to the right.
Now if you have any issue analysis to back up your claims, by all means… bring it.
Perhaps the basic reason I’d like to see Senator Clinton say an error was made in voting to support the Bush cowboyism in Iraq, is that I would feel a bit more comfortable knowing that President H.R. Clinton, upon seeing something wrong with a policy wouldn’t be too stubborn to change direction. Frankly, I’ve had enough of this during the Bush reign. The results of this man’s stubbornness is on display the world over. I just don’t want another ego’d-out mule in the White House. I guess.
Well, somebody just gave me such a turn that I’m gonna sign off now and start reading John Dean’s book to try to fibure out where somebody is coming from.
Have fun and I’ll see yawl B&E . . .
The Fear Strategy is being ramped up:
GOP ups ante with London, Lamont
Republicans using week’s events to charge Democrats’ defense weakness
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14307219/
Susan Nunes >”What nonsense…You aren’t a Democrat, just a rabblerouser.”
You have self identified yourself quite well I think
How is that check you get from Rove Central ?
“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact….Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.” – newshog@gmail.com
Oh…and I think Senator Clinton would do well to call for a pull out from Iraq as has Lamont, Murtha and others.
“fibure” out? A typo (but you know, it’s growing on me).
They had better get this one right, especially if other people react the way I am. If Lieberman stays in the race and is allowed by the Democratic Party to win (and he can only win if they stay semi-neutral) and if he wins he is permitted to caucus with the Democrats, then that is not a party I could support thereafter. What would be the point of throwing hard-earned money into a party that will not even defend itself let alone the principles I might hope to see it embrace?
I am no where near that point yet, but I am so far unimpressed by what I have seen by way of reaction to Lieberman’s betrayal. I like to think that the mild-mannered public statements from the Democratic leadership are accompanied by hard-hitting private pleas to Lieberman to show some integrity and decency.
This is especially true since Lieberman has elected to sound like Dick Cheney’s long lost twin brother in defeat.
If come Labor Day he is still there and what I hope is being said in private is not said in public often and loudly I for one am going to have to think about whether I can still help to fund the party as a whole or should just work for the individual candidates I still respect. If he drops out, and I am convinced that he could be pushed to do so if pushed hard enough, I am prepared to break the bank this time around. What else can one do? I don’t think I have been this distressed about a political situation in decades, except maybe that November night in 2004.
drowsy @ 43
Democratic Senate nominee Ned Lamont responded yesterday to Dick Cheney’s suggestion that his primary upset heartened terrorists, saying the vice president was mixing up the war on terror with the invasion of Iraq.
“I just think that this Bush administration confuses a comprehensive attack on the terrorists with the invasion of Iraq,” Lamont said in a telephone interview yesterday. “I think the invasion of Iraq was a terrible distraction.”
http://www.greenwichtime.com/n…..-headlines
Lamont responds http://blogs.courant.com/colin…..ive_b.html
Susan, I’m interested who told you about firedoglake and how you found out that we’re “Republican enablers.“
raw story has a very nice lead for anyone that even attempts to claim ned isn’t better for securit then joe
By JOHN SOLOMON
WASHINGTON (AP) – While the British terror suspects were hatching their plot, the Bush administration was quietly seeking permission to divert $6 million that was supposed to be spent this year developing new homeland explosives detection technology.
it would go something like;
“when the party that has brought ruin to the military forces of the united states of america has the NERVE TO claim democrats wouldn’t be FAR BETTER ABLE and do FAR BETTER and FAR MORE then the civilians that have been overuling the finest military minds on the planet”
we can pepper that statement with our combat readiness as reported by the preidents own generals who tell us the brigades ready to defend America are down to ZERO due to the inept, irresponsible decisions of these idiots in office
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
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It’s not about paying for the war. It’s about going on the attack. Scare the shit out of Rove. Let it be known to him that there are consequences for ratcheting up the fear. Make it clear that no one on his side is safe from attack, and that the repercussions could end up being not merely losing control of the Legislature, but losing the ability to continue his cute little wars of choice…or indeed even remaining out of jail.
In other words, their side is not the only side that can play mind games.
(and sorry *ilson about my other post, sometimes that urge to swat at the the trolls is just soooo strong hehe)
I just found this must read via Huffpo…
Planet Waves
“…These articles are filling, with Scope and Gatorade, the ONE BIGGEST AND MOST OBVIOUS BLANK in this whole freaking story — the chemical. The weapon. The facility where it was going to be done. The kitchen with a few boxes stacked up. This was all, we are being told, a carefully made plot in the “final stages.” Great — name a chemical. They all have names. Show me where they were kept. Tell me who got them and how. They are all in the Merck Index. Tell me, I want to look the stuff up and see what it is…
Susan could help us most by telling us what drugs she’s on so we could avoid them.
Jane: there is one adult in the picture. Bill is in his own category. I had the pleasure of interacting with both of them in early 1982. Hillary is smart, educated, and very organized. Bill is unique in his interaction with other human beings and talking to him was an experience that I will never forget. In 1982, when I told my future wife that I had talked to a future president of the US; her reaction was,”from Arkansas? yea right!”
If Democratic leaders won’t stand up to the Rove/Mehlman narrative, it’s more evidence that BushCo’s illegal surveillance is being used against its domestic opponents — and that the subjects of this surveillance know it. We who support NED know that the American people are on our side; why can’t Democratic leaders just lead?
The parade starts right here, folks, step smartly and you can still get in front of it. But your place — in the parade and in history — will be lost if you knuckle under to these slime merchants of death. We haven’t been cowed. NED won’t be cowed. Anybody who’s cowed by this “svengali Rove” nonsense is afraid. And it shows.
Has it occurrred to anybody, this whole “new terra plot” is nothing more than a hoax perpetrated by two governments (Poodle and Chimp) who are in deep shit?
I don’t believe there was any plot. It’s all a lie. Another Karl Rove fantasy, perpetrated on two nations of sheep.
I say again, if you are in any way afraid of terror, you are a fool. if you believe government color-coding, you are a bigger fool. If you think Chimp or poodle have accomplished anything of merit, you deserve to die.
*ilson46201 @ 23
I’ve gotten two emails from Wes Clark’s WESPac, too, endorsing Ned and slashing HoJo into little pieces. Anybody heard from Mark Warner?
Harry Reid needs to make it clear to Joe–very publically, not privately–that he’s going to be shut out of everything from committee appointments to opportunities for federal $ to CT to free mini-danish at Senate breakfasts if he’s re-elected. This will make it clear to the residents of CT that Joe’s choices will be to caucus with the Republicans or to spend the next six years as a powerless pariah. If Joe wants to act like a Republican, force him to run as one, or force him to get the hell out of the race.
GrandmaJ@19
I have faith in Ned’s campaign management. I really do. I think we have a fabulous team and in the crunch it will come down to CT voters. Mwahaha. These people do not know CT as a state at all with its idiosyncratic manners etc. All I can say, is that perhaps Ned’s team is letting the Roverman spin itself into a corner. And meanwhile New England suspicion of DC continues to build. People in this state don’t need a whole lot of convincing to know that DC establishment is not looking out for either local or national interests.
I got reamed out a couple of days ago on “The Last Hurrah” for suggesting that the dems were being less that brave in staking out some strong positions against the war and against the thugs. In rejoinder, I suggested that perhaps a Cong. resolution (at least putting it forward) that they and the country were misled into the war under false pretenses would be a place to start to build.
Somewhere along the line, dems are going to have to stand for something.
Has it occurrred to anybody, this whole “new terra plot” is nothing more than a hoax perpetrated by two governments (Poodle and Chimp) who are in deep shit?
I don’t believe there was any plot. It’s all a lie. Another Karl Rove fantasy, perpetrated on two nations of sheep.
I say again, if you are in any way afraid of terror, you are a fool. if you believe government color-coding, you are a bigger fool. If you think Chimp or poodle have accomplished anything of merit, you deserve to die.
Worth repeating. Thanks, Mr. Bastard.
I agree. Reid should call J-Lie out publicly. And now.
GPB @ 6:16
No I actually think there really was a plot. There really ARE terrorists out there, and they really ARE out to cause us harm. This is why we need a SMART anti-terror plan, and not Chimpy McClusterfuck’s “let’s just bomb everybody” plan.
The “fear fear terra terra” 24 hour media coverage of this plot however, is pure Rovian bullshit. And ordinary folk are not falling for it anymore. It’s a joy to behold. To put it in WW2 terms…they’ve lost the hausfraus. They are doomed.
Damn, go check out Henry Rollins, http://henryrollins.ifc.com, and click the teed off link. That dude is amped UP! Makes me want to jump into a moshpit with a bunch of Republican chickenhawks, who’s with me?
And, keep in mind this is not a national election, those dicks can demagogue all they want, but nationalizing the election is really bad for them.
BarbaraB @
64
thanks for that update … I knew I was forgetting somebody!
Robert Paehlke @ 6:03
Amen.
Good Kos Diary:
A few recommends wouldn’t hurt.
I can’t say I disagree with you, but there is another view to consider. Most folks don’t buy the BS any more. I watch the news on this matter and Joe just seems kinda pathetic.
Ned lamont has been spot on in this regard, and he says repeatedly that the war on Terror has never had anything to do with Iraq. Where’s Ossama and his gang. How much of the real plice work goes undone because of a made up war?
That Lamont’s responses are being burried in mountains of neocon spin this far out of November shows how scared they are. Frankly, I’m sure 60% of the people resent being called traitors.
Trouble is, about a month from now the Gopers will see it’s not working. Then what?
Lamont campaign statement today:
Release Date: August 11, 2006
For more information: Liz Dupont-Diehl, Communications Director, 960 989 7893
Lamont Campaign Chastises Opponent: America is Less Safe Due to Lieberman
STATEWIDE – Challenger Ned Lamont’s US Senate Campaign today takes its opponent to task for equating a change of course in Iraq with giving a victory to the terrorists who wanted to blow up planes en route to London.
“Senator Lieberman accuses people who challenge the Bush administration of being weak on security, when his own strong backing of President Bush’s failed foreign policies has made America and the Middle East both less safe,” said Lamont spokesman Liz Dupont-Diehl. “This is an affront to the people of Connecticut.”
Yesterday, Lieberman used the arrests of terror suspects in London to attack Lamont and other Democrats, saying a change of course in Iraq represents a “victory” for extremists.
“Senator Lieberman sounds and awful lot like Dick Cheney,” Lamont told the New York Times. “Both of them believe our invasion of Iraq has a lot to do with 9/11. That’s a false premise.”
Senator Harry Reid of Nevada told the Associated Press, “This latest plot demonstrates the need for the Bush administration and the Congress to change course in Iraq and ensure that we are taking all the steps necessary to protect Americans at home and across the world.”
“The coordination of Senator Lieberman’s statements with Dick Cheney’s show once again how Karl Rove will do anything to protect his favorite Senator,” Dupont-Diehl said. “His party name says it all: Connecticut for Lieberman – not Lieberman for Connecticut.”
Guitar Playing Bastard…6:16pm
Generally I’m a hard sell on conspiracies. But there’s not anything, ANYTHING, I would put past Bush, Blair, Rove and Cheney. These guys’ specialty is dealing from the bottom of the deck, subterfuge and chicanery.
BarbaraB @ 64
Sounds like Warner’s on the Lamont BANDWAGON. C’mon people, get on it!
http://www.forwardtogetherpac.com/
I can’t believe Bob Kerrey is going to campaign for Lieberman. He’s spitting in the face of the voters.
A key issue will be how forcefully the Dems support Ned … today on CNN Democratic Whip Anthony Weiner of NY said, after beating up the Dems on terrorism, said that he would support Ned but would not cry if Lieberman was the eventual winner. This sort of disloyalty needs to be punished … right now … by leadership to prove their support.
Twisted Martini @ 71
kinda makes me wanna jump in a moshpit with henry rollins, but to each his own….
mui @
66
I’m inclined to agree with this. At least from this distance, the Lamont campaign appeared to be very well managed.
Barbara Boxer and Bill Clinton each campaigned for Lieberman, knowing full well that he was prepared to turn his back on the democratic party if defeated.
What else does a person need know about that organization before facing up to certain facts? And simple facts, at that.
The “bigwigs” you refer to are no such thing, Hamsher. Leastwise, not if your definition of “bigwig” incorporates the word integrity.
If proved wrong, which is unlikely, I’ll be the first to admit it. Are you prepared to do the same, if those in whom you’ve placed righteous faith betray you?
Finally, my hat’s off to your wonderful efforts in the Nutmeg state- of course, I include everyone at FDL. My perception and feelings about the democratic party aside, I was doggoned heartened when that sanctimonious little prick got knocked last Tuesday. Kudos to all.
Kurt @ 70
Exactly. Look no further than the always skittish stock market that overreacts to everything. It didn’t even flinch, yawn.
Cozumel @
84
It hiccuped briefly in London …
Sonoma – you’re playing with fire.
My guess is Weiner and a lot of other NE Dems target the same donors that Joe does. If Ned’s campaign would alert us when someone donates to Joe, we can snail mail them polite requests to stop.
OT, the Hartford Courant endorsed Joe and then after he lost asked him not to continue as an independent. If Ned’s campaign could get that into every story about Joe, I think it would help.
Thanks for all your work siun.
I’m still guessing about this stuff, learning from jane/christy et al, but it seems to me that Lamont represents the most serious threat to the Bush/Repub regime that they’ve faced, not only because he beat Bush enabler Lieberman (and showed how you do that), but because Lamont is an attractive, articulate candidate who can explain why the Bush regime and its enablers should be removed from office. The public is ready to toss these bums out, and they just need a good reason to vote for someone else, something Kerry never quite satisfied. Lamont represents that. I think most of us agree that far.
The airline plotters provide a major distraction from this theme, so the Bushies have seized on it, and the Dems haven’t found the voice/theme to divert this back against Bush.
But think about what these plots revealed. Bombs come in all shapes, sizes, types and we don’t even know how to discover them on airlines, let alone cars/buses/trucks/trains and even tricyles. The true meaning of the last 48 hours is that it is not possible to defend the US from determined attacks. Intelligence/surveillance are okay, but even that is not enough. We can’t protect ourselves from determined people. In the final analysis the only way to substantially reduce the likelihood of such attacks is to reduce the motivation to do them.
The Bush Admininstration’s reckless policies have created anger, hatred and determination to oppose it everywhere in the ME. They are spilling gasoline on the ME, handing out matches, and taunting the residents to fight each other. We are bombing or supplying the bombs for attacking Islamists in four ME countries (Afghan, Pakis, Iraq, Lebanon)(that we know of). What would we expect from angry extremists in that part of the world? What would we do if we were them?
I think this is the argument that Dems need to make. Bush is reckless, and he’s made us and the world a very unsafe place. That argument has the benefit of being (a) true (b) a huge threat to RoveBush (c) the answer to Lieberman/Cheney (d) leading to the right policy. (By coincidence, Christine Amanpour is making this argument on CNN at this moment.)
*ilson46201 @ 85
Heh. Yesterday it closed UP here, IIRC ; )
CNN mentioned that one of the arrestees in the UK had been released earlier today and has now run a piece interviewing family and friends demanding proof of the plot. This story is not over yet methinks.
Real Susans, e.g. me, disdain never-elected fascisti and their militaristic agendas and their endless death and destruction and their greed and their media psy-ops and their unamerican enablers such as Mr. Bush Kiss Rape Gurney Rove Suckup.
Guitar Playing Bastard @ 63
Well “reserved” admiration for Lamont aside (I think it should be unreserved by now)– I think Colin MacEnroe has a point. Lieberman/Cheney et al seem to think we should all make the same connections that they do about the London terrorist plot without really knowing the motives, etc. of the alleged plotters. They are expecting some sort of pre-Joe Wilson credulousness from us, which is pretty insulting.
http://blogs.courant.com/colin…..ing_ive_b. html
Please tell Minority Leader Reid you want RGJoe OUT at my blog on his site:
http://www.giveemhellharry.com…..anfran/Bh2
/ blogwhore off.
I always thought that if Dukakis, back when Poppy Bush made up that shit about Kitty Dukakis burning a flag, had hopped on a plane and shown up at Poppy’s next campaign stop, demanding an apology and a debate on the spot, he’d a won that election.
But there were no blogs then, so I couldn’t share my brilliance.
The only way to deal with this crap is to stand up to it, and fast. Ned should do this: show up at a Lieberman event and ask Joe — in front of the press — to defend or disavow his outrageous statements.
Sonoma: first rule of FDL etiquette: we never insult the hostesses of this blog, who have been gracious enough to provide a forum for this wonderful community. Debate is allowed/encouraged; affronts are not.
That’s very disappointing about Bob Kerrey. Marshal Wittman will swoon.
Poor Ned Lamont, whose Senate race in teeny weeny CT has become “the war to end all wars.” Geez. Talk about your pressure.
I’d like to see John Edwards (for the domestic argument) and Wesley Clark (on the foreign policy side) spend the next 80 days in CT helping Ned win that seat.
Other than that, Ned can’t control the screaming right wing propaganda machine. John Kerry couldn’t control it in 2004, and he was running for president.
The positive news is it appears Ned is a genuinely good man who is in this race because he believes it is the right thing to do. If there are any angels, they’re on his side.
#74: LieberBush’s gotten Kerrey not only to stump for him, but also to sign on to some bogus unity party figleaf for another Bushco attempt to wreck social security. And just a day or so after Norquist pronounced the social security scam dead because Democrat’s wouldn’t play ball.
LiebeBush is trying a reprise of his very nasty work on both social security and Iraq over the last few years.
I said in the last thread that LieberBush was a politically dead zombie walking the earth sucking the brains of the politically weak. I do apologize. I can be slow on the uptake. That image gives Lieberman far to much credit for autonomy.
Lieberman and Bush are a kind of two headed political monster. I think it would be misleading to picture LieberBush any other way.
LieberBush needs to be nailed hard on his flipflops over the last month. Look how this contemptable sanctimonious hypocrite flipped on Iraq in the last days of the compaign. It didn’t save his ass. So what does this very principled man do? Why, flop right back into BushCo land as soon as he needs to change the tune to save is sorry political backside.
Destroying this unity party fraud is same as attacking bush on both foriegn and domestic policy, so fo for it.
Quoting from what wesgpc said last thread:
Exactly. Whenever it’s been critical, you could count on HoHo to be on the other side. The list is long, and I still haven’t come up with anything, you know, since 1970 or so, big enough to counter the sellouts. Some CT State senator earlier this week mumbled something about the opposition to Joe being motivated by “a few symbolic votes.” Yeah, right. The truly historically-minded have recalled this week how Lieberman’s national career got its jumpstart:
Has there always been a debt owed from that early help? Because it seems that now that he’s about cut off from his source of capital in the form of distorting the Democratic caucus message, Lieberman’s been reduced to common labor as a GOP hodcarrier. Ned Lamont needs to go on to other messages now that he is the Democratic nominee, but some stay-behinds need to make sure it’s clear that Lieberman and his backers are the fringe-dwellers.
siun #76: glad to hear that Lamont is responding.
We oughtta build a Statue of Liberty Float and follow Rove around everywhere with it hehe. “Liberty’s coming for you, you s.o.b.!” :)
Sonoma, Ned only won by 4%.
More than 100,000 Democrats voted for Joe.
Hillary not only endorsed Ned, she sent him a check for $5,000. Boxer endorsed Ned on Wednesday morning.
Bill’s not perfect, but the only other living Democratic President is the less vigorous and much older Jimmy Carter. Who else would you appeal to to reign Joe in?
Finally, I would invite you to address Jane as, something other than “Hamsher.” Judging from the rest of your comment, it was not your intention to imply any lack of respect.
Sorry to be tiresome, but anybody here who hasn’t seen freakin V for Vendetta, see it! Immediately! You need it!
Let’s be clear about something. The reason for this rhetoric from the Republicans is that they are trying to move that 60% number. They were successful in moving the 36% believed that Saddam had WMD to 50%. If they are going to win, they have to move that 60% number down. And they’re going all out to do so.
We have to stop thinking that the poll results we see are not malleable. They are. We need to get the Democratic leadership out front aggressively rebutting the claim that the war in Iraq helps stop terror attacks directed at the US, in any way. That’s an absurd assertion, and needs to be directly confronted. The 60% number says that Americans are willing to hear that message, but if they don’t, the Republican drumbeat of fear will shift that number down.
Some of this is beyond our control, of course. Feingold has been delivering this message for two years now. But it hasn’t been part of the narrative. Ned’s win is a possible catalyst to shift the narrative. But we all need to stop talking about polls and what’s loonie left and what’s wingnut right and focus on what’s true. Encourage your elected officials to speak out. Reassure them that the majority is currently with opposition to the war and the disconnect between it and the terrorist threat. But they need to speak out loud and strong. The media is resistant to this message right now, and if elected officials continue to be timid, it will be lost.
The author of Fiasco, Thomas Ricks, has defended his failure to report in the WaPo on the events he describes in his book as the result of his editors not letting him run with stories doubting the accuracy and quality of the administration’s intelligence or planning. He said that the absence of political opposition to the war made it impossible for him to justify to his editors the need for what I would call balanced coverage. Myself, I think more highly of guys like Scott Ritter who took the hit, got labeled a traitor and pariah, but told the truth. But in the real world, our elected officials have a responsibility to give journalists cover to tell these stories. While I don’t defend the Post here, I do think that the unwillingness of dem senators to stick their necks out has damaged the country. Encourage your elected representatives to speak out. They no longer need to hide in their foxholes.
There is no excuse for bad manners.
Per scarecrow, second rule of FDL etiquette,
when in doubt, refer to rule one.
mauricehall @ 7
I reiterate:
“You ain’t gittin’ no more missles O-murt til you cut out the shit with them Lesbians”
-Dubya, on the ceasefire agreement
Just one question and I apologize if it has already been asked.
Prior to the war on terror how many times has Britain been the target of Islamic terrorists?
freakdaddy at 106…exactly
GBP@63
Awww, can’t we just humiliate them for a very long time. I hear Gitmo’s hot this time of year, perhaps a nice, long… vacation…
siun — thanks for the link to Lamont statement. It’s clear that he and his team now what to say. I never doubted that.
We hope the rest of the party leadership watches and follows. He’s a leader.
btw, you still in Meriden, or back home?
The only person who can convince Joe is probably Hadassah. So, who can convince Hadassah? Perhaps after services this evening — the sun’s down EDT, right? — maybe a spiritual leader will take Mrs. Lieberman aside and say….
Alternatively, maybe Hadassah needs a lesson in graceful spouse-losery from Tipper Gore. Surely no one else on the planet understands better than Tipper how it feels to help a husband handle electoral loss. Plus, Tipper’s got bonus “lyrics” cred with the Liebermans.
Finally, RGJoe has children, right? I can’t imagine allowing my dad to put himself through what RGJoe’s doing! Where are the real LieberYouth? Talk to pops, please….
I’m from Ct. I grew up there, my whole family is there. I ran a business there for a long time.
In my estimation, Joe doesn’t have a chance in hell.
I worked the phones for weeks leading up to the primary. I worked the polls on Tuesday. I have been listening to local talk radio since Tuesday.
Joe Lieberman doesn’t have a chance.
The current poll shows a ceiling for Joe, and a bottom for the other two (Lamont and Shlessinger). To think that Joe will pull a majority of either Independent or Republcan voters is folly. Not gonna happen.
My guess? He will drop out, but not until he’s made a big enough stink to make a 2008 run a possibility.
In the meantime, Jane is right, he’s stirring up a lot of nonsense that the Dems shouldnt have to deal with. The pressure being put on him should increase dramatically, lest he actually think this boondoggle actually has wings.
On the flip side – IRAQ IS ON THE FRONT PAGE AGAIN – That hurts the Pugs, each and every day. We are having the debate each and every day, and the truth and the public are on our side. Let’s keep talking. Ned is a giant killer cause his message is what everyone else has been thinking, but has been afraid to say.
I’m pissed, yes. And committed to ruining Joe, but I think this works to our benefit. Let them run around and cry traitor all they want. It’s only to fire up their crazy base, which at last count is about 33%.
THen again, what the hell do I know? :)
Oooh, the republicans are trying to nationalize the elections! Don’t throw us in that briar patch!
Fucktards. Their implosion would be more entertaining if it wasn’t so potentially violent.
Sharkbabe @ 101
I finally get to watch it tonight !!
prostratedragon at 96
That’s very interesting. Hmm.
I’m picturing a “Manchurian Candidate” scene.
With every passing minute I am more filled with inexpressible contempt and disgust for this fucking whore tool Lieberman. He is the worst of the worst.
My god, what must Al Gore be thinking at this spectacle.
Urban Pirate — thanks for that perspective. What were you hearing on the local talk shows?
London used to get bombed by Irish terrorists with pasty white skin and red hair … kinda cute, really, them Irish!
John Casper @ 100
I think that “only 4%” though was reflective of the short time Lamont had to gain recognition. People here are wary of change. They don’t call CT the land of steady habits for nothing. Also people who voted for Ned were often doing so behind that backs of certain unnamed endorsements, etc. Then you have to factor in, Joe’s name recognition and the type of voters who dance to a steady drumbeat unless you light a fire under their collective asses. I think the primary victory did that. But its not over. I sense a raging disgust at Joe’s indie bid . . .
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 105
Jeez Hope! L M A O!
Yeah, where’s Al?
Tommy Yum 113-Exactly. Kind of like Monsters Inc, where the monsters no longer scare anybody. People have figured that out on their own, despite the Mighty Wurlitzer.
freakdaddy!
all four of the LieberChildren are safely in the USA and could speak to Daddy … of course, none of them seem to share his enthusiasm about the War on Iraq — none have any military service — http://goarmy.com
I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt that perhaps somewhere there was a stratgey meeting going on about how to handle Joe and how to shut him down.
I also wanted to do Val Kilmer, so wanting is not enough to make it happen.
scarecrow @ 88
Ned’s win is a catalyst. A huge upset was driven by a candidate’s willingness to directly confront the issue of the failed war in Iraq. It’s not Lamont himself who is a threat. The threat is that the democrats could realize that they have the advantage on national security. And since they have the advantage on everything else, tidal waves are possible in 06. That’s why they’re screaming “Commie” “Leftie Loon” “Nutjob” “Friend of Terrorism.”
Their only chance is to define the mainstream as support for the war. A feeble reed it is, but if the democrats remain in their foxholes, they may pull it off.
drowsy @ 42
Ned is on vacation with his family in Maine. He connected the dots just fine, however, and was quoted in an article in the NYT saying Lieberman sounded just like Cheney and both of them were wrong. That response was also quoted today, I think by Bill Schneider on CNN. The NYT link was posted several times yesterday; sorry I don’t have it now. As for Tom Swan, I assume I’m not the only one who got an email from him today. Titled “Joe Lieberman Thinks Your Support Aids Terrorists,” the first paragraphs read:
“It will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England. It will strengthen them and they will strike again,” Joe Lieberman said specifically of Ned’s, and your, desire to start bringing our troops home.
He even went as far as calling you “anti-security” before the election.
Sound familiar? Of course it does. The politicizing of terror and fear-mongering peddled by Senator Lieberman and his favorite president for the past five years is part of the problem in Washington, D.C., and it’s why the people of Connecticut voted for change on Tuesday.
There’s a difference between not fighting back and not getting sufficient attention paid to that fight from the MSM. If we assume Ned is being passive in all this just because we haven’t heard his counterattack, we’ve bought into — and continue to feed — the Republican meme about Mommy-party Democrats, too wimpy to counterpunch, too cowed to lead. I think we should assume that the problem isn’t the message, it’s the media.
OT- not really. The next election will be shaped significantly by lipstick wearers (women) who are appalled by the stupidity of our current air security system, and see it (like Catrina) as a symbol of the blank brains who now head our government. Think the “kiss” yes, but also think “lipstick.” Maybe build a big Oldenberg-like lipstick (nice phallic symbol too) and put it on a float and drive it around with a sign – this is what your security dollars are buying you! Smart….and disgusting. Big business men can take corporate jets, but the rest of us…we get our lipstick taken away.
UP:
well, here’s an in I hadn’t thought of. Maybe McCain needs to talk RGJoe outta the Indy run, so he can devote his time to UNITY08 crapola.
Hi freakdaddy! thanks for feeding our TRex in CT!
And daddy Joe got an educational deferment during ‘Nam.
John Casper #101: I agree completely. And we have to stop that from happening. My own opinion is that the namby-pamby DLC goobledygood wonkspeak has to stop. Here is the DLC internet site
http://www.dlc.org/
It is so pathetic. Take some time to look through it. If you have a couple of hours to read through the wonktonk, sure, there are some good ideas in there. Even on the current Israeli-Lebanon.
But look at the front page any links. Can you figure out where they stand on social security. I can’t. Notice anything missing -like Iraq? -like plan statement on the war on terror? Can you read one direct response to LieberBush lies, intimidation and smears? If you can, let me know because I can’t see it.
Look at the webi sites of candidates who have made some waves -Lamong, Charles Brown in California, Francine Busby, Patricia Madrid, Tester. Look at Webb’s site. You can see in 30 seconds exactly where they stand on social security, on iraq, on the war on terror. You can see real direct responses to BushCo. Takes about 30 seconds to see exactly where they stand and why
Some one has got to shout out the choices the public has to make in the next two and one half months. If Schumer and Emanuel don’t have the guts to do it, I guess that leaves… I dunno.. those crazy blogs?
My post on Give ‘em hell Harry in response to TeddySF’s post
______________________________________________
Dear Leader Reid,
Teddy is right. We need your leadership NOW. You emboldened our party when you had the courage, insight and fortitude to shut down the Senate to alert the American people to the Republican shenanigans that were thwarting our democracy. We need you NOW ,again, to have that courage, insight and fortitude to shut down Joe Lieberman. He is abusing our party. He is demeaning our party with Karl Rove’s talking points, and frankly, by you being silent,are allowing this terrible act by Lieberman to continue unchallenged. Lieberman, has made it obvious to our party that he has no intentions of representing the will of his constituents in Connecticut, and has decided to run against our party for a purely selfish and despicable rationale.
He has called our party and the honest and courageous voters of Connecticut, “cut and run,” enablers of terrorists. HOW CAN YOU ALLOW HIM TO GET AWAY WITH THIS HORRENDOUS RHETORIC?
YOU are our leader, do what you do best. LEAD…..SHUT DOWN JOE LIEBERMAN, for the good our great Democracy. We DON’T want to hear you are doing it in private. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO SEE OUR LEADERSHIP ON DISPLAY!
Give ‘em hell Harry!
If Joe thinks BushCo has got his back, he’s in for the rudest of awakenings. They’ve got a shiv with his name on it; always have. Them backing his indy run in lieu of a real republican is about as likely as the farmer kicking his wife out of bed to make room for the mule.
They’ve done oppo research on his presidential run, know he’ll get annihilated, and want to make sure he throws his hat in the ring. Then it’s under the bus time.
Sharkbabe @ 101
You’ve convinced me.
Urban Pirate, so what was your spiel? Mwahaha. Fun stuff eh?
Millineryman @ 124
ya may wanna reconsider your Val plans — I know I did:
http://www.pen15club.net/archi…..con_1.html
Having dealt with the IRA for all those years, I was very surprised the Brits ever went along with the whole Madison Avenue War on Terror product.
I thought they had more sense.
I think things will work out. Be patient. Ned Lamont and his staff have to be exhausted after the campaign, as I’m sure Jane is (thank you so much, Jane, for all your work). We are three days after the primary. Many days to go to the general. Joe will regain his normal joementum. He can’t help soiling himself. Behind the scenes, people are giving him the shiv. His donors have to to know that they are taking big risks by backing him. Unless I were ideologically highly motivated, I wouldn’t take that risk. The Clintons are no doubt passing that message as we speak.
in the primary, Al Gore deliberately would not endorse Lieberman by feigning neutrality. He’ll be with Lamont for sure !
Sharkbabe @
116
Wow, Sharkbabe, you’re on to something. Gore makes the call for Lieberman to step aside.
They’re not the Gambino Republicans for nothng. “Hey Joe, I’m gonna send Silvio to pick you up…”
B-B:
we certainly learned that lesson on election day 8/8 and from Tweety himself!
TYum:
The rollup on Thursday, not Monday, of TERROR IN THE SKIES: TARGET AMERICA was RGjoe’s first sight of the shiv. He can ask Alligator Bag how they repay loyalty.
scarecrow @ 117
I’m NOT hearing anyone saying they’re voting for Joe.
I hear a lot of sky is falling rhetoric and ad hominem, but at the end of the day, the dems and indys are completely fed up with Bush, and the pugs won’t vote for a liberal whose only “redeeming” feature is that he backs a failed war/president. The local yokel “conservative” is not pro “Unity”. Joe won’t be on the Pug line, and IMO, the Pug line will get 20-25% no matter what.
omg i just checked back on “old” posts – JOHN DEAN!
tommy yum @ 132
I don’t know about that. Poor Schlessinger. Its fun to make jokes at his expense, but I saw Chris Matthews trying to get some statement of support for ol Schless from some Republikan party drone and it wasn’t happening. I think the average CT voter must be feeling there’s something slimey afoot even though Schlessinger does have those gambling problems.
TeddySanFran @
135
YIKES! Thanks Teddy.
with the largest ethnic minority in Connecticut being Italian-Americans (20%) ixnay on the obMay references with Italian names … probably Japanese Yakusa snark would be P.C. in the Nutmeg State…
re #131: sorry for typos, back after being away awhile. Getting a sudden dose of the full-on BS of the last couple of weeks, and my typing is going bad as I fume. There is absolutely no excuse for the Democrats not to stage a full on political attack. The neocons are certainly in disarray. Newt and his buddies calling for a four front WWIII -they want us to fricking START IT! Newt says trying diplomacy first is old-fashioned thinking not fit for this age. Another neocon is saying that anyone who questions the wisdom of Cheney’s bunch and the most militaristic likudniks, is saying any criticism of that bunch is anti-Semetic.
And lo and behold, another bunch, lead by Charles Krauthammer is darkly musing that Israel is somehow no longer a worthy ally. Becuase when Bushco suggested it would be a nice time for Isreal to devastate Lebanon, and strike Syria, Israel showed some common sense and decency. So Krauthammer wonders about the ‘value’ of Israel as an ally. That is not anti-Semetic?
And the Rove bunch is reduced to running endless loops of old attacks. Not one new anything at all to say other that the same tired slanders and smears.
These guys are losers because their every single thought, word, and deed, beginning with the invasion of Iraq, has been dead dead dead wrong, and everyone can see it.
ATTENTION FIREPUPS: BATTLE STATIONS!!!
1) As BarbaraB noted above, Wesley Clark is clearly supporting Lamont; WesPAC has sent out a petition that asks Joe Lieberman to drop his bid and step aside. Your mission, if you choose to accept supporting democracy, is to sign the petition at this link:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com…../272804277
2) You can do something at local level, by asking your local county/parish Democratic party or club, or other progressive organization to support democracy in Connecticut as in all 50 states. I’ve posted text of a resolution you can use at the State Roots Project:
http://www.staterootsproject.o…..onnecticut
And that’s for starters.
BATTLE STATIONS!!!
#133: I think your right. Use the LieberBush to do as much damage as possible, co-opt as many confused independents and conservative Democrats as possible. Then dump him.
Since we’re on the subject, one notable Democrat has been notably silent on Lieberman, none other then his running mate for the 2000 presidential race, Al Gore. Now, no one reading this blog thinks that Al Gore is a shrinking violet. Remember how he got out on a limb with Dean in 2004? He is known to speak his mind. Why his silence now? Does he owe anything to Lieberman that would dictate a handsoff position? What is in Al Gore’s political calculus, if any, that would make him not utter a peep since Lamont won the primary?
Thanks Rayne. Signed.
mui @ 145
That drone was KennyBoi Mehlman, the Chair of the RNC itself who repeatedly and pointedly refused to urge GOP in CT to back Schlesinger…
I found this here on FDL on last night’s thread and I’ve been posting it everywhere I go since. Now I’m seeing it come around again. So in the spirit of sharing, sorta like a ‘blogospherical EPU’d’…Watch “The Weeks Teeing Off” http://henryrollins.ifc.com/
Urban Pirate @ 112
I think this is on the button. He’ll pull out sometime in September, at a time of his choosing, in such a way that his post-election role keeps him (at least from his perspective) in the national limelight.
The argument against this view is that he may think he can win. His campaign was so poorly run that it makes me think he may have lost the ability to listen to (or perhaps to hire) advisers who give him bad news.
I think the Democratic leadership tip-toeing around him right now makes sense. Once the shock of losing to this piddling pipsqueak has worn off, he may be more amenable to looking at the situation more objectively. If it’s true that Dodd helped him fix his campaign, albeit for about two days AFAICT, Joe may be willing to listen to Dodd after a weekend’s decompression.
He certainly can’t hire staff at this point. Republican staffers have bigger fish to fry. He’s poison to Dem staffers. There may be some DLC consultants still drinking the KoolAid, but they’re not gonna put together a winning campaign.
46 is the ceiling. 41 is Lamont’s floor. If there is nobody Lieberman trusts to explain that to him, then he deserves the derision and humiliation that he’s set himself up for.
Sharkbabe >”…V for Vendetta, see it! Immediately! You need it!”
Saw the theatre version
Got the DVDs
What a classic for these times !
Rootz shall overcome
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” – H. L. Mencken
BarbaraB 127: I agree; the Lamont people know what to say. But unless it’s amplified by the national Dems, it may not be heard.
Speaking as a nutmegger, Joe has become an insult to the voters here. He has, in essence, told us we’re a bunch of freaks that don’t understand the big picture.
I cannot believe how quickly he turned and I certainly expect some of the NY Times editorials to have an impact. This from the day after the election, “Revenge of the Irate Moderates”:
And then from Krugman today in “Nonsense and Sensibilities”:
I can’t imagine Joe’s current line of talking as winning over ANYONE other than some far-right extremists here. Frankly, I think Joe will be his own down-fall, little help required.
BTW, did you all see Colbert last night? Holy crap was he on fire!
Colbert Dedicates His Word to Lieberman
I finally found the comments by Harry Reid I remembered seeing a day or two after the election. They seemed to have vanished into thin air, and I’d started to wonder if I’d made them up, when I saw no further mention of them. I didn’t, unfortunately – they were printed in Newsday. In addition to the prepared PR statement Reid and Schumer jointly issued on August 9th, here are Reid’s words to a Newsday reporter in an 8/10 article:
That’s the “leader” of the Senate Democrats talking. I’m surprised these comments haven’t been more widely disseminated. They confirmed what I had come to understand about where Reid and Schumer stand (that is, very much with Lieberman), but I think a lot of people are only now starting to see through their disguises, following their basically meaningless words of support for Lamont.
http://www.newsday.com/news/lo…..9945.story
Sharkbabe @ 100
Read the
comic bookgraphic novel. It’s better. Alan Moore is very good.*ilson46201 @ 152
Ahh oui, oui, le mehlman. That was excruciating and embarrassing for any person from CT to watch. The person I was with was a Dem, and shouted out “what a jerk”, referring to Mehlman.
pow wow @ 157
Pardon me, but that is an asinine interpretation of their statements. Sorry.
scarecrow @ 156
It may be all the crack I’m smoking, but it sure seems to me that the Cable News outfits have stepped back from the kool-aid.
Over the past few days, Ive seen Tweety, Noron, Wolfie, Roberts and even that Kyra twit push back on Bushco.
True, the megaphone still belongs to this corrupt admin, but I was amazed at what I heard being offered for commentary over the past three days.
I’m not resting, but I’m seeing progress!
So what next Firehounds…wanna help defeat Lincoln Chafee? :)
I think it would be most effective if Al Gore came out and said he regrets tapping Lieberman for VP and giving him that extraordinary and UNDESERVED prestige. And then he lists all the ways Lieberman has sabotaged the party, starting with his own presidential campaign.
Al can take the heat – he’s shown so much character in the past few years. Very few could or would impugn his integrity. Even if they did, the dem voters love him.
C’mon Al. SAY YOU MADE A HIDEOUS MISTAKE and SAY WHY and say that now you’re coming to STAND UP FOR LAMONT, to atone for your part in the creation of the monster that is JOE LOSERMAN.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 6:27 pm – “Generally I’m a hard sell on conspiracies.”
Larisa’s HuffPo commentary, which I found via Raw Story, might be of interest: http://www.rawstory.com/showou…..27085.html
edited
SharonW @ 157
Its like a freakshow isn’t it? We’re a state where people value privacy etc. and bang boom Lieberman drags us into this national theater. He’s in for a Yankee tar and feathering. BTW. Why did Joe and Haddassah leave New Haven. Anybody got the scoop on that?
I haven’t seen a full text of the UN Resolution passed today. Resolutions are usually in two parts, a series of preliminary paragraphs followed by the operative paragraphs stating what the UN is willing to do or wishes done. The operative paragraphs are out on the Web.
The Resolution orders:
1) Immediate ceasefire
2) Deployment of Lebanese Army and up to 15,000 UNIFL troops under a more robust mandate into the South with Israel to withdraw parallel to this deployment. In particular, the UNIFL force can “resist attempts by forceful means to prevent it from discharging its duties.”
And calls for:
1) Lebanon to exercise full sovereignty over its territory, i.e. no Hezbollah state within a state
2) Respect for the Blue Line (the border between Lebanon and Israel from the Mediterranean to the Golan Heights. This does not include the Shaba farms area)
3) Arms embargo on Hezbollah, including technical assistance
4) Humanitarian aid/safe passage/return of displaced persons
5) Maps of minefields left by Israel
6) Kofi Annan to come up with a proposal for Shaba Farms within 30 days
Not mentioned overtly in the text of the operative paragraphs is the issue of prisoner exchange although there may be indirect reference to them in the other Resolutions cited and direct reference to them in the preliminary paragraphs that I have not seen yet. There are several weak points in this document but overall it is workable if and it’s a big if Israel and Hezbollah act sensibly, something which up to now they have shown no great talent in doing.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenew…..173073.htm
Jenny from the Blog @ 164
great point – Where’s Al-do?
pow wow — the Lamont statement to Reid that he had not run a negative campaign against Joe was essentially true. It was clean on Ned’s side. On Joe’s side, not so much, and even less now. This difference helped and will continue to do so. And Ned never ran against his party, and Joe did and is doing.
Jane, you are so right. I hope they hear you. Looks, at least, based on today’s conference call with reporters, that the Dems may at least be trying to speak out and that Ned, Dean, and Feingold will be on the Sunday morning shows. This is Poolboy’s take on the matter, with his usual spin, in tomorrow’s WaPo. Reading the Schumer quote, I just wish we could send them all to a course in Soundbite 101.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01606.html
Kurt @ 163
How about a Ciro redux?
Rodriguez to Mount Comeback Bid in Texas’ Redrawn 23rd
The new congressional map for Texas’ 23rd District, invoked Aug. 4 by a federal court panel in response to a June 28 Supreme Court ruling, added thousands of members of south Texas’ Democratic-leaning Hispanic population to the voting constituency of Republican Rep. Henry Bonilla (news, bio, voting record) — making him potentially more vulnerable to a serious Democratic challenge.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/200…..rawn23rd_1
*ilson — you learn well, Grasshopper!! Nice job with the domains! Had a chance to mess with the meta-tags yet? (I haven’t looked, oops…)
Let’s think about organizing a Google-bombing over the weekend, whenever you’re ready and the meta-tags are done. I’d use the basics, like Lieberman and Joe, as well as Loserman, SoreLoserman, Joementum, Joe-nertia, and so on.
Any of you FirePups have suggestions for tags? C’mon, the grownups in the party aren’t around (obviously) — let’s raise hell!
Off to watch V or something. g’night all.
mui @ 144
I saw that, too! It was Ken Melhman and he refused to endorse Schlesinger. It was amazing!
I’m wondering – at what point do the Dem party leaders bail on the idea that Joe will be convinced to drop out?
At some point they’ll have to stop coddling him and go after him with both barrels.
Is there a cutoff day, say, Labor Day? How much damage can he do by then?
Just like Gephardt calling Bush a “miserable failure”, we have to give credit to poor Schlesinger for tagging Lieberman “joey two times”. he he. They’re both spot on and deserve a little applause.
Sharkbabe – I saw V on my flight back from the UK – knowing it was on the schedule made me willing to survive Heathrow’s madness and that was before the latest nonsense.
Interesting that CNN has suddenly switched to John Roberts (do I have his name right)reports on katushyas hitting Israel instead of Michael Ware’s terrifying reports of the Israeli strike on the humanitarian convoy.
Scarecrow – back in Chicago … very very tired. Have to get back into work groove by Monday so it’s a sleep weekend. It was awesome to have at least a little time with you in Meriden!
Urban Pirate — yes there has been more pushback than before. (Although tonight on Hardball, Matthews struggled to ask the right question and couldn’t quite formulate it.) He did, however, do a good job challenging the California Repub Congresscritter, who was on against Charlie Rankel, and who kept trying to link 9/11/Saddam/Hizbolla. Rankel did a number on him. Then Chris asked some talk show rw nutjob to repeat her statement suggesting that all Islamists were violent. Amy Goodman had a field day with that. At least on Iraq, and the general terror issue, Matthews is clearly balking at the Bush line and asking better questions.
punaise 162:
Well he’s probably in Timbuktu giving his Inconvenient Truth slide presentation but he’ll be back. :)
joementum.com is already taken … oh well … that would have been delicious to own !
but a good guy already owns http://www.joementum.com — enjoy!
siun — same here, m’lady. Get some well-deserved rest.
Seen this yet?
Yeah, must’ve been a coincidence.
By the way, FYI, Ned Lamont is scheduled to be on one of the Sunday morning TV talkshows (CBS?), as are Russ Feingold (ABC?) and Howard Dean (on MTP with others).
A correction to my #159: that whole article that I linked to is an Associated Press article by Scott Sonner — Newsday ran it, but didn’t originate it.
Rob Zuber #162: I’m not simply interpreting their press release rhetoric, I’m trying to understand their true feelings as pretty well revealed in these comments by Reid, and the actions that will flow (or not flow) from them. As I’ve said before, I will be happy to be proved wrong by Harry Reid, but can you say that his actions (before and) since Tuesday night truly belie my interpretation? An attempt to enlighten my “asinine” reasoning might be one place to start.
Yes, scarecrow #171, I agree (I also concur strongly with your very insightful recent comments on this race) – Ned did a masterful (and difficult) job of running cleanly against Lieberman.
http://politicalwire.com/archi…..erman.html
Hope Springs:
Thanks, but no cigar to Al yet. :)
al-Gore terrorized the USA with Whiny Joe in 2000 …
From pow wow:
That’s really good news. That’s how we can get some amplification.
ojs, 151 and jenny, 164: “I think it would be most effective if Al Gore came out and said he regrets tapping Lieberman for VP…”
In his heart of hearts, I am sure Al Gore regrets picking Joe as his VP but he would never say it publicly because it would say too much about himself. The best we can hope for is for Al to come out for Lamont and to ask Lieberman to step aside for the good of the party and the country. There is no payoff in raking up the past as far as helping Lamont get elected. Historically, maybe, but not in helping Ned get elected. The message from Gore needs to be positive.
My post posed the question of why he is not coming out to help Lamont, at least so far. As to that, I have no answers.
Caspar wrote: “I would invite you to address Jane as, something other than “Hamsher.” Judging from the rest of your comment, it was not your intention to imply any lack of respect”.
Scarecrow wrote: “first rule of FDL etiquette: we never insult the hostesses of this blog, who have been gracious enough to provide a forum for this wonderful community. Debate is allowed/encouraged; affronts are not”.
I know you two aren’t kidding, and more is the pity.
Who do think you are? White knights on horseback, defending the lady fair? For chrissake, it’s her name. I’ve been respectfully addressing her in that fashion for many, many moons. I respectfully call Gilliard.. well, Gilliard (”Steverino” just doesn’t fit, you know what I mean?). She’s responded to a few of my posts, too, never once betraying annoyance with my salutation. Had she done so, or even implied as much (I’m pretty quick on the uptake), I’d have snapped to. My regard for both her, and the FDL crew, is genuine. It always has been, is now, and doubtless will be in the future. I will not permit any insinuation that it is otherwise go unchallenged.
No, you two have a problem over the content of my challenge to J.H. (How’s that? In fact, from here on out, J.H. it’ll be. Come to think of it, I more often than not call Gilliard, S.G.). That’s where it’s at. I contradicted a essential element of her political worldview, and you two don’t like it.
I think my point well taken (Post #83), and stand by it. Being at odds with J.H’s point of view is OK, you know. It really is. If it wasn’t, she’d be writing for Little Green Footballs, or working for Fox “News”. You two should get off your respective high horse. Tangle with me all you want over the content of what I write, i.e., “Bring it on”. Hell, that’s a big reason why I post comments to begin with. But don’t insult me with a lame, strawman point of foolish etiquette. Not for my own sake, mind you, but because you look so damn silly doing it.
Lamont was scheduled for Face the Nation – not sure if that scheduling is still correct.
I have Al Gore’s fax number. I’m going to send him a handwritten letter about this matter.
Been fighting the urge, but after Lieberman’s smear of Lamont, I’ve got to do it.
See Josh Marshall on this; he’s done a big shift for a guy who’s pretty centrist.
‘Bout time, Josh. The rest of us could see this coming.
random observation: The telephone area code for Sonoma County is 707
scarecrow, Jenny from the blog, others re: AlGo…
I like the idea of Gore stepping in, but I wonder how it might play out – publicly? privately? To go so far as to say he regrets having had Lieberman on the ticket in 2000 might be the nice catharctic emotional release we all sort of feel needs expressed, but it might cross a line in terms of old friendships and even old party unities, which back then counted for something. In 2000, we came together for Gore/Lieberman even if we didn’t LOVE it because that was the ticket; that’s precisely the case that needs to be reiterated for ole Joe today. We all backed you then; Gore had the grace and humility to concede the Presidency back then even though he was robbed; now it’s Lieberman’s turn to show a bit of redeeming class and integrity, and who better to show him than Al? But you still have to handle these things delicately, I think. That may be what the Dems have been talking about quietly this week, while all this other major stuff has been going on that wouldn’t have given them much spotlight anyway. But I agree it’s high-time for the Dems to stand up strong and make some of the excellent cases already articulated by the smart people here.
Somewhat related and somewhat OT – anybody post the Sunday talk line-ups yet?
JWR: #184 -I think if you read TPM, Digby, and Left Coaster, you will get links to document that what Cheney said is a goddamn lie. Of course, that is not surprizing. I read that Cheney’s dramaitic story of how he helped manage the immediate post 9/11 confusion is alos a goddamn lie. Apparently he didn’t know anything about the airliner that crashed in Pennsylvania until a minute before it crashed. The expendable workers bees had to make all the tough decisions.
I propose that new titles be given to these slime. Liar Bush, the liar Cheney, the liar RumDum. And of course, the Contemptable Sanctimonious Hypocritical Liar LieberBush. They are beyond contempt.
orangejumpsuitt 188:
Well yeah, that’s why it would take courage. After seeing Inconvenient Truth I don’t think Gore gives a flip about being politic anymore. People would be really moved if he said he was trying to get elected and took the gamble that distancing himself from the Clinton sex scandal would pay off. The American people would love him for it.
Besides, desperate times call for desperate measures.
Not that I think Al would do this, really, but I don’t think it’s an impossible dream.
folk — play nicely , please !
Sonoma,
Yes, sometime defending etiquette appears foolish. But it still makes for a better conversation, IMO, so that folks can focus on the merits of what you have to say, which I think is what your asking for. You can take the suggestion or not.
As for looking “silly,” you don’t know the half of it. I’ve done much sillier things than this.
Fiyero — Al Gore should handle it the same way he handled his endorsement of Howard Dean over Joe Lieberman.
Joe was pretty sore about that, but how could he argue with it? It’s not like he wouldn’t expect it, either.
Well I just perused that Unity08 website. Um wow lol, what can I say. I have thought for quite a while that a viable third party could emerge from the implosion of either the Dem or Republican parties (or both). But that Unity thing isn’t it. It’s not even a party. That has to be one of the most ridiculous political adventures I’ve ever seen.
There ARE three basic constituencies in the country…Progressives, “Moderates”, and Conservatives…and they could theoretically organize into three separate parties. But Unity08 is just wacky hehe.
Rob Zuber @ 159
I suspect the only reason this man supports Ned is because blogs hit him hard with e-mail. What kind of pathetic support is this? Reid may like boxing but just wont take off his gloves.
Fiyero 193:
I agree with your comment and mine was really pretty wishful. Have you noticed every damn endorsement of Lamont starts with “my good friend Joe Lieberman”. I wish they’d cut the crap already. Because friendship is a two-way street and JoeHo ain’t no good friend to anyone in the democratic party any longer.
The sooner they readjust their definition of friendship, the better!
punaise @ 194
Goddam, punaise. A sharper, quicker wit I have never seen!!
slightly OT..
I may be all wet but why do the Repubs think the plot was directed at the U.S.?
The plotters were British, they were allegedly planning on being on British planes going from London to the U.S..
Were they going to wait till they got here before setting off their bombs? Seems a bit foolish to me. A lot of time to be on a plane waiting to get here to do the deed.
What if the whole thing was all about Blair and all the problems he’s having? There are a lot of unhappy people in the UK.
As far as Ned goes, I think he may just be regouping and “collecting his thoughts”. As others have said, he has a good staff and I think they will hit back when they think the time is right.
just my thoughts
Caspar & Scarecrow — thanks for coming to my defense. I actually didn’t take offense at Sonoma’s comments.
*ilson46201 @ 196
Hmm. orangejumpsuit, I hope I didn’t sound rude… definitely not intended!
Blast from the Past: Al Gore endorses Howard Dean
Tell me that Al couldn’t do EXACTLY the same thing and endorse Ned in the same way.
Deja vu.
Don’t make *ilson go Henry Rollins on your asses!
Rayne – Thanks for the links. Petition signed.
*ilson, 188: “al-Gore terrorized the USA with Whiny Joe in 2000″
Yeah, enough to win a plurality of some 2 million votes despite the deranged interference of one Ralph Nader. In fact, though, I don’t think Gore’s plurality was an endorsement of Gore as much as an endorsemenet of Clinton-era prosperity, the likes of which we will not see again in our lifetimes, thanks to Bush’s $megabillion deficits and war hysteria.
that studied vocabulary of comity is so necessary for the very existence of Congress — there are 535 strong-willed individuals forced to function together daily — some would just as soon shoot each other as spit but “comity” helps prevent complete collapse …
Jenny from the blog at 203 – too true. Politics and friendships make for complex and difficult intersections, I’m sure.
Rayne at 200 – makes sense. Also, thanks for the WESPAC link. Signed.
Now you tell us!
My apologies to sonoma, which is hard to do from a high horse without falling off.
Sonoma,
Addressing someone by their last name is kind of dated, unusual.
I’ve been meaning to ask you, did you ever have the ‘Sonoma’ handle on the Yahoo stock boards? If so, we know each other ; )
Thanks to all who provided us with Lamont campaign responses. I can’t believe CNN covered this and NPR didn’t trumpet it ( In New Haven we get multiple stations too ).
Cheers.
Kurt @ 201
I have have their theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hb3dJp3_ow
please just watch the first 30 seconds…
wesgpc at 7:42 pm:
You can say that again. For Tony Snow to state flat out that Cheney was, in effect, out of the loop on this, reminds me of McClellan lying about Rove and Libby not being involved in outing Plame. Except that McClellan may truly have believed they’d told him the truth, whereas Snow is a FReeper to the core, and will lie his a** of for the cause.
Billmon certainly is dark but accurate tonight http://billmon.org/archives/002674.html
Just for a laugh about airline security
I’m getting the feeling that the big names in the Democratic Party are reacting to Lieberboy about the way that most of us would when we discover that a good friend is a spouse-abuser: they’re having trouble believing that a nice guy isn’t really nice. (Just because we’ve gotten the picture already doesn’t mean that they have.) I say they should kick him out now, tell him don’t ever come back, and apologize for nominating him for VP.
‘Vote for Sanity – Vote Democratic’
Bob Kerry stumps for Joe? He climbs out on a Bush limb for this jerk? Someone might saw that limb off.
PJ Evans at 220…
I just noticed Kung-Fu Monkey is blogging for Fisher House. Nice. It’s the Ronald McDonald house for the Military.
Gilliard is on fire as well…
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/
Whoa, from *ilson’s Billmon link:
Oh yeah: Sharkbabe @ 101
I haven’t seen the film version of V for Vendetta yet – I might invest in the DVD version, but it would end up with friends, since I have neither TV nor DVD player – but I do have both the graphic novel and the novelization ov the movie. It hits hard.
P.J. Evans:
Hit the road Jack
and don’t you come back
no mo
no mo
no mo
no mo!
NYTimes
Banging the drums of war loudly …
mui @ 167
Total freakshow. This stuff is just not going to fly here. This ain’t no backwoods deep red state. As for them leaving New Haven, I wonder if it has anything to do with the death of his mom. They lived in the same neighborhood. I heard his district didn’t even carry him in the vote.
Hope @ 7:55
Queen Latifah is awesome hehe. But have you seen their website? Holy crap. They are actually suggesting Dr. Phil, Oprah, and Arnold the Governator as potential Presidential candidates. (and I actually checked their wiki to see if someone had edited them in as a joke…nope all added by the site owner).
Not to even mention the mechanics of trying to force 2 random people to ignore their parties and run on a ticket together…how that could ever work practically.
I love this angle. It’s time to start calling them *insane*. No more mincing words.
Twisted Martini -
From your link, Gillard calls Bush “President Psycho”. LOL and this is how he needs to be framed from now on. Batshit crazy. I think it’ll resonate.
mui @ 167
The for sale sign was up months and months ago. Since he only woke up to the campaign like two weeks before the Day, I figure he just wanted more privacy (ironic, given the quote above), nothing to do with his politics.
Twisted Martini @ 222
I want to see Deadeye, Rover, Rush and Joey run the next one. Preferably in combat boots, with full field packs, 800 rounds of M-60 ammo and carrying an M-14 at port arms for the entire three miles.
You bet your R. Lee Emory I would.
Kurt at 229
I did…I looked and listened to their loser steering commitee guy. And no offense to the Queen, I just thought it worked well, “Who you callin’ a bitch and a ho’?”
mui @
119
mui, I’m not disagreeing with you, just attempting to add additional detail to the very helpful facts you provided. Looking at the polls (Hotline), imo, Joe finally figured out about a week before the vote that Iraq was killing him. That’s when he began criticizing Rummy and Bush. That reversed the trend. Instead of losing ground to Ned, he began narrowing the gap.
OFG, 21: “Bob Kerry stumps for Joe? He climbs out on a Bush limb for this jerk? Someone might saw that limb off.”
Bob Kerrey is president of the New School in NYC. He invited John McCain to give the commencement address back in May-June, created quite a ruckus, with heckling of McCain in the middle of his speech. Somebody, I forget, remarked that Kerrey has joined the “McCain-Lieberman Party” (as christened and anointed by his holiness David Brooks). Not having read Brooks’ article (behind that infamous paywall) I am not sure what the “party’s” platform is, but it doesn’t sound like my cup of tea with members like McCain, Lieberman, Kerry (confessed slaughterer of innocents), and Brooks as its eminence grise.
My guess is that they would thumb their collective noses at low-lifes like Coulter and Limbaugh, while espousing the same principles in a more dignified manner, assuming that is possible.
al-Scooter @ 233
Now there’s a nice image. Can we put Condi on point?
You have no idea where I want to see them all. But it has something to do with Dante.
From the NextHurrah, a CT commenter says:”BTW-many of us CtDems believe that the tipping point for Lamont was due to the high re-registration of 30,000 unaffiliates who switched to the Democratic ticket for this primary. If so, this trend would not bode well for Lieberman in November – they are a large voting bloc here.”
From DemFront in the piece that evoked the comment above:
“But with antiwar views now as ubiquitous as cellphones on Main Street U.S.A., where can you go if you just want a little solitude?
For those of you who just can’t stand being mainstream, here’s a thought: Maybe it’s time to go visit the neocons. It looks like they’re getting a little bit lonely out there.
Neoconservatism: It’s the new fringe.”
Rayne @
208
Great link to the past Rayne. And in that article, notice this quote from Joe: “Ultimately, the voters will make the determination and I will continue to make my case about taking our party and nation forward.”
In exactly which direction does Joe think he’s taking the party now?
There’s also his line about him respecting Gore enough to “not run” if Gore did. Maybe he’d listen to him, then.
TeddySanFran @ 140
we certainly learned that lesson on election day 8/8 and from Tweety himself!
Yup. Anyone heard any MSM apologies for the “Lamont hacked my website” bullshit? Didn’t think so.
watching BBC World News … the UK is on “critical” alert which means “an attack is imminent” but at the same time officials are telling people “not to worry” … this is Rovian doublespeak for sure.
Scarecrow #237: She can whistle cadence thru the gap in her orthodontia.
HSaT #238: I bet it’d be well over 100F there.
oj@#236
My comment was a lame attempt to pull a timmeh with metaphorical references to Kerry’s prosthesis.
John Caspar 8:12 pm — Ah, but Lieberman has a very narrow range in which to work. His base support comes from folks who tend to be pro-war, not anti-war; the few folks he picked up after he changed his tune may have been the limit of his potential because most anti-war folks already know his position and were willing to take the chance and go with a newbie rather than go with the devil they know.
And now any pro-war folks who are die-hard Democratic Party supporters but not necessarily Joe supporters are at risk because of his rejection of Democratic/democratic primary election outcome.
“…the only real question is, how much damage is Joe going to be allowed to do to Lamont….”
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I feel:
1) Any person, be it Loserman, or any other politician, tv and newspaper “pundits,” whatever, anyone who supports the bush positions on domestic and foreign policy should immediately be considered a REPUBLICAN, and steps be immediately established to vigorously challenge that world view
2) When it comes to being weak and ineffective regarding homeland security, Katrina should be used in campaign ads as an example of repug inertia, even to counterpoint their lame response with the response of Clinton during the male-named hurricane with which he dealt proactively
3) The failure of the Iraq war should be stressed as further proof of the repugs’ inability to deal with issues which impact on America’s prestige around the planet
4) If (when) the dems control both houses after Nov, they should immediately pass legislation regarding investigations into all of the illegal activities of the bushies throughout the length of their administration. Put a rush on it in order to bring pressure and stress on the rethugs. Put a rush on trials, grand juries etc…to make the pigs more and more TERRIFIED of the consequences
5) Proceed to apply punishment as soon as possible, in as many areas, to as many people as they can in order to exert quick justice on those who have been responsible for so much death and destruction on this planet and corruption in this country in the name of “freedom,” whatever the hell that means anymore
6) Immediately initiate impeachment proceedings against bush and cheney.
In other words, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!
These creatures deserve to be destroyed moreso than any movie creature. They’re REAL!
The republican mentality is the enemy and should be dealt with by stealth and speed, especially since at least 60% of Americans are sick and tired of the repug agenda.
And then try to convince Gore to run for prez in order to help turn the country and the planet in a new, positive direction.
That’s my dream. Do dreams come true? Sometimes.
Fiyero — yeah, re-read that CNN article, swap out every reference “Dean” with “Lamont” and “Presidential Candidate” with “Senatorial Candidate” and it’s EXACTLY what Gore should do.
Unfortunately, that’s EXACTLY the response Lieberman will have, the same one he’s already had with not only Gore’s endorsement of Dean but Connecticut Democratic voters’ endorsement of Lamont.
You do recall the definition of insanity, yes?
Defined once again.
Dear Jane,
I am compelled to point out that that word, abjectly, does not mean what you think it does. Thank you, that is all.
The politicos (Reid, Dodd, et al.) need a little push sticking it to Joe harder, to feel the urgency of it. You’d think they see the danger of Joe playing this game much longer, being an increasingly integral part of the Republican noise machine but continuing to have some Dem bona fides.
.
LieberDwieberman.com
Joeker.com
NotaBelieber.com
LieberonaJetPlane.com (please)
ItsOverJoe.com
Roversjoe.com
“The republican mentality is the enemy and should be dealt with by stealth and speed”
SING OUT LOUISE!!!!
ofg,244: Ah, so! Didn’t get it the first time. Hope punaise caught that one.
Ned done good, debunking the GWOT 9/11 Iraq linkage. When exactly was Iraq going to invade Nebraska? I didn’t get that memo. Invading a country that did not attack us, had no weapons of mass destruction, had no connection to 9/11 is not a sign of strength, it is a sign of ignorance and blatant war profiteering opportunity. Where is Osama and how goes the Phase II investigation?
Rayne @ 245
This whole Antiwar Lamont tag bugs the crap out of me. That Antiwar tag has broad implications that for a lot of people extend well beyond Iraq. Peaceniks, what have you. It’s propaganda, IMO. Lamont was FOR going into Afghanistan to get bin Laden, as was I, Kos, Wesley Clark, yada yada…
Bobby St. Chomsky 245:
… and everything else you said.
Immediate investigations and charges are critical to this country getting back on its feet and making amends to the world – Reparations and reconstruction are in order too.
I wonder, though, looking at the Dems in power currently, if they will pursue it. They’ve become so conciliatory, so tentative… I don’t know if they have the stomach for honest-to-god investigation. They’ll get all tied up in the thought that it’s a time waster… you already hear some of them saying “what’s done is done, it’s in the past, let’s not waste time with recrimination – it’ll make us all look bad, blah blah blah.”
I hope I’m wrong. This country needs to examine what’s gone wrong and hold the culprits responsible… we need to purge. I don’t know if we’ll ever see that day, even if the dems do regain power. And that would be a tragedy of enormous proportion.
New thread up.
Ned could come out swinging and knock this race out of the park in two weeks time. Flies with honey over a couple of months may be the appropriate method for him.
I mentioned last thread how I wish media would ask Joe if he believes the whole WMD theory. He sure acts like it.
You’ve got that right. The line he has to walk is his commitment to bipartisanship in an environment where there is no opportunity for bipartisanship. Capitulation, yes. Bipartisanship, no.
He’ll be hard-pressed to show compromises that have served the voters of CT or the country. The “centrist” positions he’s taken have been anti-choice, and in support of a failed war effort in Iraq. He’s not gonna be able to defend the positions he’s taken on their merits (hence his unwillingness to have open fora in the primary). That inability to coherently defend his positions will play out in spades in the general. Bush or Cheney can retreat behind Big Lie bromides. Lieberman will have a very hard time doing so while also running a campaign. He has to take questions from all comers, and Maura and Spazeboy will be ready.
Thanks Rayne for your 8:19.
I was remiss in not mentioning that I think Ned’s primary win changed everything. Ned is now the Democratic candidate, not Joe. I think the more CT sees of Ned, as compared to Joe, the more they will gravitate to him.
Also imo, Joe’s support was not so much “pro-war,” as his supporters were willing to accept what they thought was his “11th hour conversion” (before the primary vote) to “anti-war” (criticizing Bush and Rumsfeld). I think they are now finding out that Ned is a lot more aggressive about getting us out of Iraq than Joe. I think/hope that that will show up in the polls next week; Ned will have narrowed the pre-primary lead that Joe had in the three-way.
Cozumel @ 8:29 says:
“IMO. Lamont was FOR going into Afghanistan to get bin Laden, as was I, Kos, Wesley Clark, yada yada…”
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Y’know, Cozumel, you and those other guys you mentioned could have been wrong. Think that’s a possibility?
Bumper sticker I recently saw in beautiful B.C.:
Don’t Believe Everything You Think
mui @
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Wow, even sharkbabe got the “Jane sez don’t swear” memo. Fuck yeah!
At the risk of ending up in moderation for awhile (and buried in EPU zone), I’m going to post some links. You need to open them soon because the graphs they contain will age and change over time. I shared these with Shez last night, told her this is what I think those fascist d*ckheaded Repugs are manipulating:
Search term: Katrina
http://www.technorati.com/chart/tag:katrina
Note the fairly constant but slight downturn in volume of activity; they’d like to see this continue, but they know it won’t. Those periodic spikes tell them it’s very volatile and likely to blow up on them.
Search term: Lamont
http://www.technorati.com/chart/tag:lamont
See that wickedly tasty spike in early August? Notice the sudden drop-off? Yeah. That’s what THEY did to this chart; they didn’t want a sustained level of chatter.
Search term: Israel
http://www.technorati.com/chart/tag:israel
Another chart with a sharp uptick, along with other highly noticeable spikes. June 27, for example, reflects Israel’s alleged bombing of a Palestinian family on the beach in Gaza, marking the beginning of escalated violence. They want to change this chart dramatically, and they have within the last 48 hours as you can see.
Search term: terrorism
http://www.technorati.com/chart/tag:terrorism
A majority of American citizens won’t like this chart, but it tells THEM they done good. The traffic in the previous two charts moved here.
So…what are you going to do to help change this dynamic?
DailyKos Kossacks have started a Katrina Project, blogging about the impact of Katrina; that’s a good start. But we can do better. And we do need to get Ned’s back because his chart is a bellweather of the fortunes of the grassroots and the rising of the people-powered Democratic Party.
Well?
I’m a huge proponent of impeaching Bush but a lot of people think that would be counter-productive. I don’t agree but there are legitimate arguments for each side of the issue.
I think impeachment (or at least a serious impeachment drive) is symbolically important on the world stage. But that’s just me.
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What can I do to get moderated? I’d like to be a bad girl for once. :)
Coz, I complpletely agree with you about the very severe limitations of the “anti-war” tag. “Anti-Occupation” is a lot less bad imo.
Jenny from the Blog @ 266
Talking about that drug Limbaugh was found with that starts with a V should do it :)
Vi**ra.
Guess I’m a moderation repellent. heh.
Sorry to be tiresome, but anybody here who hasn’t seen freakin V for Vendetta, see it! Immediately! You need it!
Sharkbabe @ 101
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I second that emotion! Given that I haven’t seen that many flicks, it’s still the best one I’ve seen this year–BY FAR!
Aaaahhh…moderated.
Was it good for you, too, *ilson?
Heh.
Now I feel like a smoke…(kidding)
Bobby St. Chomsky @ 261
Looks like Rove’s antiwar crap is working. Divide and conquer, sigh.
Rayne, you devil!
Cozumel — I understand where you’re coming from; you feel that being anti-war is a bad frame.
But when 60% of Americans are now in the same frame, it’s not a bad frame unless we let them control the frame.
Connecticut voters that I saw being interviewed understood that the war sucked resources away from Americans and plowed it back into the sands of Iraq. They understood that military action and policing are good things, but not when they effectively p*ss away resources.
The voters get it; the Repugs don’t. The very fact that Joey tried to smear Lamont on al-Qaeda tells me that Joey’s fully bought into the Repug frames and he’s still out of touch with the voters.
Looks like Rove’s antiwar crap is working. Divide and conquer, sigh.
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No! taking friggin’ sides, for Goodness sake. How much terror and despair can these mofo’s and their enablers inflict and still get away with? I consider my religion to be Pacifism and I am a hard core anti war proponent. How anyone who’s sane in this world is not anti war is bewildering to me. The anti war message should be screamed from the rooftops at this point in time, not only because over 60% of Americans are against staying the course but more importantly, because justice screams out to be heard and to prevail after the assault on life committed by busco. They should be attacked with the TRUTH, not placated via political reasons.
He almost seems that hypnotized at times, no?
I only know the original version, which I think is a terrific movie. Unfortunately, that Raymond was destroyed a few times over … Save yourself, Joe!
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Jenny from the Blog @
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Obviously dead thread here, but for the record, either that or an enormous landslide victory for a liberal Democrat in 2008 are the only things that might turn us around with the rest of the world. A big showing this November would help, too, or at least let everybody get a breath.
prostratedragon — definitely. The world needs to see us cleaning our own house for once. They need the reassurance that we’ve returned to our senses (even if some of us never lost them), the reassurance that balance is restored and that democracy really does exist and that it works.
You know, if Connecticut voters and the US voters at large really do believe this crap about Lamont and the Dems weakening our national security, then they freakin’ deserve Lie-berman and the Repugs. The polls sink, but the populace seems to keep backing these clueless, vicious bullies.
I bet every 6 mos we are in Iraq we set back the war on terror by a year, and our reputation by 5. Each day in Iraq undoes our progress in Afghanistan. Within a year, we gonna have 40 dead a day. 40 dead. A platoon a day. And that’s just us. The Brits and the Euros are gonna have their hands full in Afghanistan too. Pakistan is a dang haven for the Taliban, just like it was when Russia was involved, and those mountain passes in the south are gonna be worn smooth by feet headed north to attack, and feet headed south for protection. And the best ally we have in the region literally boils his political opponents.
If George is so gung-freakin’-ho to start a war, why not go after Osama and his dialysis machine in Pakistan?
Oh yeah. They have nukes. And we only push around and get belligerant with countries that are easy to attack.
So be careful how you vote in the next 2 years America. If you cheer a huge military prescence in Iraq, listen to these lying manipulators on the radio and praise that studly repuglican resolve, don’t be suprised when you have to take boats and trains instead of planes to anywhere, your taxes rise to pay yet another 5 billion a month for a war, and that underpaid security guard at your local port who replaced a real police officer fails to stop the next terrorist attack on US soil.
Remind them of this:
“Yes, 62 percent of self-identified liberals chose Lamont, according to a CBS News/New York Times exit poll. But Lamont was also the choice of 39 percent of moderates and 35 percent of conservatives.”
http://www.boston.com/…
So, Dick Cheney, Cal Thomas, and Chuck Roberts of CNN are “arguing” (as in “some people might argue..”) that 39% of moderates and 35% of conservatives are “al-qaeda voters” and “taliban party” voters. Cal Thomas is calling 39% of moderates and 35% of conservative voters “anti-semitic” because they voted for Ned Lamont over Lieberman.
The numbers show that Joe Lieberman lost this election because he aligned himself too closely and too often with George W. Bush and the Republican majority in this government. Bush and the GOP have alienated 39% of moderates and 35% of conservatives.
“Kiss my cock ring” is more like it.