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Bill Richardson just earned the FDL Seal of Approval for having the guts to be the first prominent national Democrat to call on Holy Joe to stop mucking up the party and get out of the race. Okay those are my words not his. But the point remains.
Tell him thanks by giving him your email.
Meanwhile, Josh Marshall becomes the latest convert to the "enough already" camp. I'll respect the private observations of journalists whose opinion of Joe I saw radically change over the course of covering the campaign, but suffice to say that Josh's response is in no way unique. He writes:
Here at TPM Media, as many techish companies do, we have a little internal chat system where we discuss editorial business and other topics through the course of the day. And yesterday, after I saw Greg Sargent's update that Lieberman was going down the 'A win for Lamont will be a victory for the terrorists' track, I openned up our chat and wrote something to the effect of, "I've always liked Joe, but with this 'victory for the terrorists', it's enough. F--k him."
Justin Rood shot back, you should write that. And he's right. So here I am.
Readers of this site know I've always had a soft spot for Lieberman. I was ambivalent about the primary race, didn't have a horse in it, I think I said. And it only became a simple matter for me after Lamont won. He's the Democratic candidate. End of story. Not because I felt differently about Lieberman necessarily. But I think all Democrats, all progressives, liberals, whatever, should support the Democratic candidate. And that's Ned Lamont. That and tell Lieberman to get out of the race.
But now Lieberman is not only running as the de facto Republican in the race, he's running as the worst sort of Republican, going on the trail claiming that any serious questioning of our policy in Iraq is a victory for the terrorists, even pulling in yesterday's terror plot take-down into his angle against Lamont. With Lamont, those guys might have blown up the plane. Leaving Iraq is a win for the terrorists. A Lamont win is a win for the terrorists. That was after Wednesday when Joe pledged to save the Democratic party from the extremists he seems to think make up the entire Democratic party. Except for Joe.
So questioning the president's policy on Iraq is a win for the terrorists. The Democratic party is outside the mainstream of American politics. I can go to Republicans for that, right?
So it's not just about the independent candidacy any more. It's about him. Enough. Just leave.
Meanwhile, Bob Kerrey follows up his fabulous declaration of 1992 (when he proclaimed Bill Clinton unelectable) by promising to stump for HoJo.
If his prognostication skills remain as sharp as ever, I think we're good.
Update: Gilliard waxes quite eloquent on the subject tonight.
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Ned!
Jane!
Christy!
Fitz!
Rootz!
Did I get everybody?
First!
Maybe second.
Sorry, I got giddy. First time being first.
Why would Kerrey even bother to get involved with this? What’s the motivation? It can’t possibly help him for 2008, if that is what he is thinking.
Bill!
Droopy Joe Lieberman is a totally self-absorbed selfish person. His wife Hadassah, contrary to news reports, is part and parcel of his decision and his plans to wage the general election campaign as an Independent. They are both totally disregarding the voting of the citizens of Connecticut. Running as an Independent definitively means he’s no longer a Democrat, as he is so openly and blatantly declaring. The party leaders need to command the nerve to strip him of all perks such as committee leadership. He needs to be told to give up this stupidity of a campaign. Reid isn’t doing it. Fellow CT Senator Chris Dodd isn’t telling him that. Only Gov. Richardson some 2,000 miles away has the huevos to say so.
just got a fund-raising letter from the DSCC and Harry Reid - told ‘em “not one nickel” until Lieberman was included in the list with Chaney for playing politics with terror… and until Liarman is publically repudiated….
of course, the DSCC hasn’t gotten a nickel from me for a long, LONG time…
When the hell was the last time we even heard a peep from Bob Kerrey…or cared?
Kerrey and Liarman worked together in the PNAC offshoot CLI (Committee to Liberate Iraq). Liarman was honorary co-chairman with McCain.
The CLI group are all the usual neocon suspects.
The viseral reaction to the loss of Liarman is because Liarman was a mole in the Democratic Party. He needs to be cut out like any other cancer. Now.
I’m so embarrassed that Kerrey was the candidate I originally supported before the primaries started in ‘92. He’s been nothing but a coward and a narcissist ever since.
Well, except maybe when he said Santorum was “Latin for asshole.”
Nobody gives a rat’s ass about Bob Kerrey or what he thinks. Let’s see, first Republican Mayor Bloomberg and now Bob Kerrey supporting Droopy Joe. Any other New Yorkers want to tell the Connecticut voters how they should vote?
Swopa 11 — I’ll give him that one.
This trend needs to be helped along. The politicos need a push sticking it to Joe harder, to feel the urgency of it. I’m liking Chris Dodd as due for a little attention, prominent Joe enabler and presidential hopeful that he is — I faxed him a two page letter yesterday.
Joe is doing serious damage every day with his little game, is quickly becoming an integral part of the Republican noise machine. There is no practical reason for any Democratic politician to put up with it for another minute.
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Perhaps next the Rev. Sun Myung Moon and Little Orphan Annie will weigh in with their support of Lieberman. Then Lil Debbie Snackcakes will give her endorsement. What a joke.
I’m willing to give Reid a few days to go from pressure to threatening to revoke Lieberman’s committee assignments (I expect this to happen behind closed doors; doing it in public first would just make Joe more stubborn.) But after a few days, if Joe doesn’t stop running against the Democratic candidate he can’t be a Democrat any more.
Good on the Governor of New Mexico.
don’t want to poop in the pool but . . .
IMHO - richardson is little better than RGJoe.
i recently heard Greg Palalst on laura flander’s radio show talking about our man richardson . . . he is no poor boy done good. his father was a exec for shitty, i mean, citibank in south america. palast said that he is only a DEM cause that is the only to get elected in NM.
and:
worked for / with kissinger!!
assenting to gop dirty election tricks in NM in 00 and 04!!!
scuttled of the recount in NM in o4 ( NM went red in 04 ;-[ )!!!
works for / with carlyle group!!!!
allowing nuke testing in NM etc!!!!!
glad he is slamming holy joe but . . .
Woo-hoo Josh Marshall!
You know, I feel for Ned. Here’s a guy who is a political novice, pretty much, and as of today, he’s the al-Qaeda candidate on CNN for God’s sake. A couple of days ago he was supposedly the silver-spoon millionaire candidate. WTF? Do they get that the screeching and flailing around they’re doing, how insincere it all sounds?
I saw a diary over at dKos making the point that Ned should be hitting back on all this crap right now rather than letting it go, and I have to say I agree. I mean, the Republican crank machine is in full swing and we’re going to have to fight like hell.
the Warbucks Daddies are definitely supporting Cut’n Run Joe …
Swopa @ 11
That’s a gooood one. :)
Guess Kerrey is just a Lieberman in sheeps clothing.
Technically, General Clark was a little quicker on the draw…
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/blog/32
but I’m glad Gov. Richardson has also come down unequivocally and I’m looking forward to more prominant Democrats.
kobe!
Osama bin Laden didnt exactly grow up in a camel stable in downtown Riyadh his own bad self …
EvilDrPuma @
9
When he brought John mcCain to the New School and then chastised his students for standing up to McCain and telling him that their graduation was not the place for him to make his stripes for a Presidential run.
Jane, you are a clever girl.
Redshift @ 16
i doubt reid will do this: there is virtually no more in session time in congress this year till after the election . . . so it would be functionally meaningless . . .
I really hope folks don’t start criticizing Ned for not defending every slimy smear the rightwing comes after him with. Cripes, he’s done plenty. Time for the dem leaders to stand up for him and their party honor!
Oilfieldguy @
27
… and never misunderestimate her
but symbolically powerful.
Oilfieldguy @ 31
agreed: my email saying so went out wednesday!!!
No more fig leaves for BushCo.
The filth and venom and lies coming from the reactionary warmongers is astounding. And Lieberman spews slanderous lies against perfectly mainstream candidates like Lamont (and by implication, crazy radicals like Tester Busby and Webb too, I guess) that THEY are the polarizing and partisan forces.
LieberBush is an empty opportunistic slandering liar. A thug. He decided to go that route in the last weeks of his primary campaign. It didn’t work. Apparently he forgot any decency he had when he actually stood for anything at all decades ago, so he’ll stick with the being a slimeball, even if it means becoming another lying head sprouting out of the BushCo monster. He has no new act, he forgot the one fit for family viewing. He can get no new audience. So he changes theatres and hopes to gull some ususpecting folks in to see his show. The show is billed as independent, but is really a subsidiary owned 100% by BushCo.
Look at the actual substance of what he has said and done over the last two years. Substance, content, matter, what you actually recommend doing, actual deeds. The truth of what he had done. On bankruptcy bill, reproductive rights, judicial appointments, social security, war on terror, Iraq… anything. Only difference is that Lieberman has done it in a slimy creepy way, trying to cover his tracks with deceptive strategic voting in the Senate, and by obstructing sensible Democratic alternatives by giving reactionaries cover. The CT Democrats got tired of all the BS, so threw him over. He has lied not only in word, but in deed.
This scum is lying and smearing his ass off to keep his dying political career alve a few more days on life support.
Forget attack. That is too kind. Time for ruthless and nonstop ridicule. Liberman = Bush, on domestic as well as foreign policy. Both complete failures in every way.
If DLC, Schumer and Emanuel cannot wake up and respond to this, then time to simply ignore them and shout out the truth as loudly as possible.
The neocons have gone so nuts, the best offense may be giving some of their advice as much publicity as possible and ridiculing. Let the public know that this crowd now believes
–the age of diplomacy is over
–violence as first resort is not only moral but wise
–if genocidal tactical nukes might do the trick, go for it dude
–it would be a good thing to start a WWIII on FOUR freaking fronts at the same time.
Deterrence, diplomacy, multilateral action, international cooperation is out. You know, it worked to give us victory in WWII and the Cold War. It was a successful policy, so it is something the neocons obviously have no interest in at all.
I think this sums up the reason for the hysterical smears nicely:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....214129/090
OFG — just trying to keep up with you ;)
Jumpin’ Joe and Bobby Kerrey are classic examples of “small man syndrome.” We all know that means they’re compensating for their small…..well, you know…I bet they both own a Porsche. Just a hunch…
I’m getting carried away. Allied victory WWII was about multilateral action and international cooperations with allies. I have to admit, it was a little short on diplomacy.
wesgpc — That DailyKos diary was good, but I think there’s at least two more solid reasons why the rash of toxic waste from the Repugs.
Posted my rationale in the EPU zone, last thread.
Charts, too.
BTW, Jane, here’s a post that may relate to your “Bored Now” post from early July…
Lieberman let himself be seduced. By the VP nod, by holding hands across the aisle with Repugs, by smiling as Bush smooched him. He thought it all put him dead center of power and prestige.
But when the Republican Borg absorbs you, the first thing to go is perspective. Then humility. Devotion to principles beyond self-interest. Service to the community.
Logic. Ethics. Honor.
And finally, your soul.
Only hubris survives. And it will outlast Joe Lieberman’s career.
We could use a few symbols on our side. The world is boiling, both with wars and temperature, meth labs are everywhere, health insurance is not. Jobs are being exported and labor is being imported. Unions and the middle class are rpidly becoming extinct. But our local politicians in Oklahoma say in every commercial that they oppose burning the flag.
Josh was wanking pretty hard for Joe up until the Primary, glad to see that he’s seen the light of reason.
I’m really afraid Lieberman might pull a Zell, anyone else think that way?
wesgpc’s votinglinks @
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HAH! during the war, it took the utmost of diplomacy to maintain the functioning of the Alliance.
Zogby poll and post on Huffpo, re huge national Dem support for Lamont:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....27064.html
Why democrats are cowardly and do not answer in a bold and truthful way. Every single issue of war on terrorism, or threat is used by Republicans to BEAT the democrats and demonize the so called liberals. Listen to Fox or any radio show, the entire debate is framed against Democrats. They are called weak, cowardly, friends of Jihadis and linked to Osama Bin.
This latest terror plot in UK should be used as an opportunity by the democrats to blast the total incompetence of Bush-Cheney leadership and call for their resignation.. They have wasted hundreds of billons of dollars, attacked the wrong country, killed innocent civilians and American serviceman, and created more hatered for west. Instead of containing terrorism by all means including diplomatic, shrewd and pragmatic policies, Republicans adminstration has stoked the fires of terrorism and extremism. How come such gang is supposed to be “strong” on terrorism and national security??
Very glad to see Richardson has cleared his nostrils.
Joe the whining short ride draft dodger has a ways to go before he’s going to be able to see the depth of his excruciating public display of self-inflicted humiliation. I swear if one more person has to tell Joe he’s got a flat tire, it will be fatal.
I don’t think there’s any point in Gore soiling his dialing finger to give the sap a call. The guy is radioactive, engulfed in a pointless hell normally reserved for guys like DeLay. Maybe the best thing for Joe is to just keep haaaaanging on so that he becomes the perfect specimen of abhorrent DINO incumbant behavior. So there’s absolutely no one left in America who doesn’t see the abject horror that is his irredeemable lot in life.
I would not be so quick to write off Gov. Richardson as I Heart Jane was above. He has broad experience as a Democrat in government. Congressman, U.N. Ambassador, Secretary of Energy, Governor of a battleground state. I applaud him for putting the Liebertantrum in proper perspective. Lieberman is Toast. Good riddance. Now, where the hell is Bill Clinton?
Jane Hamsher @ 34
Coming from such a brilliant and lovely lady as yourself, that is high praise indeed. Thank you for the encouraging words.
It has been interesting watching Josh Marshall’s evolution as the campaign has unfolded. He is an honest centrist and there are a lot of people like him in the general electorate. This recent statement of his is telling of Lieberman’s failure post-primary.
Mark Schmitt is another one who took a little time to warm up, but now rails against Joe.
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CNN:
“Lieberman lost Tuesday’s primary to Lamont, a millionaire cable executive, 52 percent to 48 percent.”
Lieberman is a millionaire as well. Why don’t the fucking media EVER mention that?
what wesqpc said at 8:52 p.m.
cranky yankee–That’s why we so need bloggers. They report facts. They are beholden to no large interests.
Jane your role as a selfless passionate justice seeking soul should never be forgotten.
After reading some of the comments coming from our boy Joe, I think it is going to take a full fledged intervention to get him to drop his independent run.
That man is either fully duped by Bush Inc or he is a party to the lies and crimes. Either choice is a pretty horrible consideration.
…..and now, I have this image of an intervention from the Sopranos when it was decided that Chris needed treatment. After a couple of statements regarding how Chris’ behavior hurt others, Chris responded with insults. The intervention ended with the group pounding their point home, with their fists.
Funny that that intervention comes to mind now.
When Sen. Jeffords of VT abandoned the Republicans in 2001 (?) after many years as a senator, I believe he lost all his committee assignments and caucused as a Democrat. Can we make a case to Reid & Co. to follow the same principle with Lieberman, using precedent as the argument. Then, it makes it less a personal thing.
I used to work for a senator and was in a meeting as the only staffer among a number of different senators. At the end of the meeting the senators started making a making a game plan as to how to contact different groups within the senate to accomplish what they had been talking about. One senator said that he would take the lead in talking to the democratic caucus, another said that he would speak to the republican caucus. and then the senator i worked for chimed up and jokingly asked “who is going to contact leiberman”? everyone, both republicans and democrats busted up laughing. the understanding was obvious — leiberman was in his own class, and it certainly wasn’t the heroic bipartisan maverick that he sees himself as. they basically all indicated that he was full of shit and was willing to do whatever he thought would be best for his own career. the guy is a grandstanding blowhard - he just misjudged where the public is right now. serves him right…
*ilson46201 @ 42
Heck it was a full time job for them just keeping up with de Gaulle hehe.
PKC 9:04 p.m.
Yes, I think that is exactly what Joey Short Ride needs. Now, again I ask, Bill Clinton, where are you?
BlueUU @ 19
I am getting a little frustrated with people saying this. Lamont has responded. Others have responded, too, but the terror story drowned everything out and even kicked Howard Dean off of a number of scheduled TV appearances. Lamont and Feingold are on the Sunday shows. There is a response and there will continue to be one.
#40: I don’t think symbols are most important thing right now. Though I am tempted to try out my non-existent photoshop skills to cook up too headed LieberBush GOP zombie sucking brains out of DLC fools.
I think simple easily understandable position statements. Assertions of fact. Talking points related to reality. Pointed questions that Bushco should answer. those are what are needed. I took a tour of some of the Democrat candidates who have been making progress: Lamont of course, McNerney, Brown, Busby, Tester, Madrid. Webb (Well, OK, Webb… not so much progress as we’d hoped).
Dude, they lay out their positions, the reasons, the accusations against BushCo. And problems with Iraq, War on Terror right out frong. Right on the front page or all in one place in the issues sections. They are very easy to find and read, easy to understand. No hiding like the stupid cowardly half-way bought out DLC.
I think that is what we need. Take a look at those sites. That kind of stuff needs to be on every non-reactinary web site in the country. It ain’t on the DLC, that’s for sure. Emanuel shows signs of maybe getting it. Schumer, I don’t know.
I think “Questions for Bush” or “Fact and Fiction” or “What They Said and What They Done” sections are needed. Look at some of the grassroots Dem sites. I think that is what is needed, in caps, all over.
cranky yankee @
49
more remarkably — Joe became a millionaire while on a government employees salary … Hadassah must have clipped a lot of grocery coupons …
cranky yankee @ 49
I am more upset at the short shriff CNN is giving Lamont. Faux news did the same thing the other day. Future Senator of CT Ned Lamont is NOT a millionaire. He is a MULTI millionaire. Besides, that dog won’t hunt. Folks are tired of elected officials beholden to lobbyists funding. Lamont stands behind himself. This is not a bad thing.
Just as a “by the way” or a “just thinking”
moment maybe THE L-Man really wanted to be
DICK CHENEY all along. He really wanted to be
up there with George the Dumber Bush and lead
the neo-con assault on more saner American
international thinking. What becomes the big
? now is why didn’t THE L-MAN just jump over
to the GOP years ago and be honest and open
about what he thinks or advocates? So this
then becomes the central problem for anyone
who suggests that L-MAN was ever a real Demo
for CT voters. If he is a GOP wannabe then
he should have declared on that a long time
ago. If he lacked the conviction or strenght
of character to do so he deserves all the
ridicule,scorn and mockery the Dems can
hurtle at him. Where is the Democratic Party
leadership on this? If they can not muster
some genuine indignation over how L-MAN is
undermining them they deserve to be run out
of the party too. Enough of this playing
pointless “patty-cake–patty-cake” with the
likes of L-MAN. Or drop the pretense of being
anything other than the GOP LITE PARTY. Some
real honesty,integrity and conviction would
surely be refreshing for a change from this
bunch. Either get out front and lead or get
out of the way.So Dem Party Leadership…
choose or lose…get off the poop-pot…
BDK #56:
Thanks for that story. But still, why do they all play nice with Loserman in front of cameras?
I’m hesitant to admit this for fear of jinxing, but I think reality is catching up. The lies, distortions, accusations can’t out spin the truth. Eventually, the truth just gets too big, you know?
When I think of what Rover and his pack of weasels are facing for this mid-term, I see Leonardo, the plate-spinner on Ed Sullivan show, frantically leaping among the forest of polls from plate (Abramoff) to plate (warrantless wiretapping) to plate (Medicare) to, well, you know the labels of these plates. .. this one now slowing down about to crash… these two are wobbling.. the one on the far left slowing down now too soon … “oh dear, the one in the back row is almost vertical and here I am, in the front row on the other side of the stage!”
They’ve been forced to concentrate their efforts on the big plate in the front. The one that has “total failure in Iraq” printed on it. That’s the one they must keep upright and spinning or all the others come crashing down with it.
Ned Lamont with the people of CT behind him, walked up on stage and placed his thumb on the rim of that big plate, slowing it down to a perilously lazy, wobbly turn.
Now Rover, Deadeye, Snowjob and the wurlitzer are blowing as hard as they can to keep that ugly, cracked dish up on that little stick. AND they have to keep the other plates spinning, at least enough to remain on their respective sticks.
I’m betting that gravity/reality wins, eventually. It always does. With hard work and a take-no-prisoners approach, we will see a victory for reality, sooner than later.
Let’s just spit it out. We are waiting for the Clintons — both of them — to snap out of it and ask Joe to step aside.
They are going to take their sweet time. They are triangulating this and hard.
Where was Rupert Murdoch on Lieberman’s candidacy, for or against?
Check Matt Stoller’s list at MyDD of late donations to Liebermann(sorry, no link); these people really put it on the line, were there when the going got rough. Many of these folks are in New York state; many give on both sides of the aisle.
There’s at least one other trend here, but I’m not going to air it out here. Definitely some triangulation going on.
It’s in his kiss.
Dick and Jane of teenagers get careless one night and a pregnancy results. Jane rules out abortion on religious grounds. The trouble is, they don’t really like each other all that much. But, neither one, especially Jane, is going to admit that fact to the Parents. So they get married, wishing every step of the way they could figure out how to back out,* spend a few unhappy years together doing their immature best for the baby until one of them gets fed up and quits.
I think that maybe that’s where Joe Lover-man is. He accepted Don George’s kiss, realized the next morning that it was a mistake, but he’ll be damned if he’s going to admit it to anyone else. So he digs himself in deeper and deeper. Just like Dick and Jane, his vanity is going to ruin his life.
*In this situation I recommend the method from the first scene of “Mystic Pizza.” Simply pass out on the way down the aisle, and then don’t reschedule.
Rayne @ 37
All the coolest stuff happens in The EPU Zone.
(Just trying out catchphrases for when I open up my caf/bar named “The EPU Zone.”)
All the media, Lieberman and Cheney name-calling (Al Queda candidate, etc.) is meant to keep Democrats on defense instead of offense.
Why is Al Queda strong? Because Bush and his fumbling inept handling *made* it strong. He and his cabal are the best recruiting tool Bin Laden ever had.
So they need not bother me about what the Democrats “might” do. It is all too evident what the Republicans have done. They’re living out their cowboy fantasies without any real planning, comprehension or conscience.
Go Ned. Stand tall. You are the man. We’re with you.
Hilde — good image — except i used to root for the plate guy on Ed Sullivan. We didn’t want any of the plates to fall, because that would be embarrassing. With Bush/Rove, we want them all to come crashing down.
“Meanwhile, Bob Kerrey follows up his fabulous declaration of 1992 (when he proclaimed Bill Clinton unelectable) by promising to stump for HoJo”
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Is that the very same bob kerrey who, as prez of the New School, invited mccain to embarrass the both of them with his presence at the New School graduation in the Spring?
Has Ed Case endorsed Lieberman yet?
Can we get him on the record?
Joe Lieberschmuck is the real terrorist in this picture. He is a political suicide bomber. He wants to blow himself all to hell and take as many other people with him as he can. Go out with a bang. Just what Rove ordered.
Bonkers:
As much as the a**holes from the house come over to the senate (senatorum: is that latin for a**hole?) it is stil the old boys club. it is a fraternity and just not that cutthroat. plus, it is just the nature of the senate - consensus rules, it is the ultimate backscratcthing society, in a good way for the most part. otherwise you get nothing done. no taliban or george bush accepted.
Kerrey also said he’s all for phasing out Social Security, what the hell. Kerrey’s true nature is exposed, he is a disgrace to liberalism. Kerrey is the president of the New School, the place where Jean Rohe tore McCain a new one.
Lieberman, Kerrey and McCain are the Three Stooges of Unity Politics.
Charlie, do you work for Halliburton?
Charlie, do you remember Ronald Reagan?
Do you remember what Reagan said about “nation building?”
Have you heard of the Powell Doctrine?
Please Charlie tell me what military objectives are our troops in Iraq supposed to be securing? Are they supposed to take Falluja? Again?
Tell me Charlie, who is the counterweight to Iran now that Bush destroyed the Sunni armed forces in Iraq?
Are those my tax dollars being used to make Iran the dominant power in the Middle East? Why yes, that’s what President Bush wanted.
Charlie, the Shiites in Iraq are related to the Shiites, who are Hezbollah, who are related to the Shiites in Saudi Arabia, who work in the oil fields to enrich the Sunni Monarchy. Did you follow all that? An awful lot of our oil comes from that Sunni Monarchy in Saudi Arabia.
Charlie, have you made a $50 donation to FDL?
And please, how did you hear about us?
To define the Bush success on the GWOT just ask one question:
Who is recruiting more soldiers, Bush or Osama?
#68: thanks Rayne, that was interesting.
#64: I think the corporate media realizes that their cred will take gigantic hit when the truth about the lies and foolishness of the mainstream corporate political establishment comes out. They have an interest in keeping the rotting corpse look lively for as long as possible. Otherwise, lotta squalid mansions of the media divas in the Hamptons will be up for sale in five years or so. Lotts lying fruadulant media shills will have to walk around with paper bags over their heds in public. I wouldn’t want to have everyone laughing and spitting at me whenever I walk the streets. And being reduced to giving talks for free bad dinners at obscure nutcase conventions in Bakersfield and in some wingnut enclave in Idaho will be hard to take.
swopa — so what do you think? did the charts speak to you, too?
Were there other search terms we should use? I think these are the biggies other than the Iraq War; that one is its own eco-system, might be so large that we can’t really get a good bead on it.
Maybe “civil war”?
Full disclosure: I use these very techniques in the consulting that I do, gives a reasonably accurate read of public’s attention.
Swopa @ 11
you and me both
It has probably been said many a time, but as a Senator Lieberman was only an inch away from declaring himself as a Republican, IMHO. He could have done it at ANY moment, if it were necessary for his ends. EVEN IF HE HAD WON over Lamont, that danger would continue to exist.
If the Dems won the Senate and held a 50-49-1 edge, do not think for one second that Bush would not urge Joementum to pull a Jeffords, only not stopping at Independent. Oh, THAT would make Bush’s and Rove’s day, wouldn’t it?
And if anyone thinks that Nomentum is actually running AS A DEMOCRAT WHO WOULD SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, think again. He has several reasons to run, but one of them is to sabotage the Democratic Party.
Bush has wooed him for a long time, just as the GOP has wooed so many Senators and Congressmen in recent decades: “Come on, Joe, your not really like them, are you? Not like those little people. Come on, you think of yourself as better than everyone else. We see it every day. You’re one of us, Joe. Admit it. . . and join us, Joe…”
And, having LOST and had so many people tell him to shut the fuck up and take your lickin’ like a man, Sicko-mentum would like nothing more than to stick it to all of them.
He ain’t no Democrat, folks. He’s got one of them Guaould thingies in him. He ain’t the same no more.
scarecrow,
With you on rooting for Leonardo. But don’t confuse their stage of plates for Leonardo’s stage.
For in the stage of reality, all the plates HAVE CRASHED to the floor and spintered into a jillion tiny pieces.
I see the shards scattered everywhere. It’s their altered reality that keeps them workin’ at the spinning and spinning and spinning… that’s all they can do.
#78: Oilfieldguy: I think you have the knack. Some one oughtta hire you for their campaign. You drive trucks, right. Open up a traveling consultancy.
60% of Americans are oh so tired of the occupation of Iraq. I don’t know what percent of harried Americans just trying to go to work or take the one well-deserved vacation they get a year had to wait in way long lines at airports all over to throw away valuables and be searched and risk expensive electronics in checked luggage, but how does Lieber-Liar-Loserman “caucassing” with Bush/Cheney/Rove/Mehlman on the TerrorAllTheTime meme help him? I don’t get it. I think he’s taking his own self down.
FWIW
One of the most powerful counterarguments to Bush’s claim of protecting us against terrorists is that he let bin Laden get away (deliberately I might add, to focus on Iraq), when the latter was holed up in Bora Bora shortly after 9/11. This has been documented over and over, and yet the Democrats are not using it. How can Bush claim to be making us safer from terrorism when the man who directed the 9/11 attack is still at large? If the shoe was on the other foot, we would never cease hearing about the Dems lettting bin Laden get away, yet the Dems are as quiet as mice on the issue (except for Wesley Clark, who has said this many times). Now is the time to hit them on this, since they are making hay with the Scotland Yard bust.
HEY FOLKS!!!
I need your help. Has anyone seen news source identify a specific chemical(s) that were to be used in the “attack” and/or where it was being produced?
…and what if someone had replaced their Preparation H with such a chemical in the airport lavatory prior to boarding?
No seriously, from what I’m reading, this could be another bunch of Rastas at a self storage bin…
Mary for now and Swopa
Brown was my choice for ‘92
A real progressive
Kerry was OK
Clinton was 8th on the list of 8 I saw debate.
Still he was a better choice than GHW Bush.
bk @ 10
Anyone who is part of an offshoot of PNAC , CLI, is part and parcel of the death machine that has its grip on the neck of America, and the throttling has just begun. It is really going to get hard to breathe. PNAC original name for ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom” was “Operation Iraqi Liberation”.
Someone thought the acronyn OIL was clever. The same bastard that came up with IED (DIE), no doubt.
Hilde — I agree all the policies have been disasters. The helpful metaphor I thought you were suggesting was that Rove/Bush continue to keep the false “image” of successes spinning, even though the reality is failure, and the spinning still fools much of the MSM.
PRESSURE needs to put on Barbara Boxer to get a meeting with Joe NOW to have him get out of the race.
Because Hillary and the Big Dog don’t want a real national race on the war because that makes it tough for her in 08 - especially with what Gergen is saying……about Lamont’s win.
Ex-WH adviser David Gergen, on the ‘08 effect: “The smart money says it may really in the end help Al Gore. … Al Gore is the one figure who is strong, a heavyweight who came out early against the war in Iraq, has been consistently against it. … Al Gore is more closely allied with the Move On.org groups, the leftist liberal groups. And he’s been a bit of a hawk. As you know, he voted for the first Persian Gulf War, so he could have it in both ways, in effect, as a candidate. He just got this popular movie out. So I would not be surprised if we hear more from Al Gore and more about Al Gore in the next few weeks” (”AC 360,” CNN, 8/9). [EMILY GOODIN]
Next day —–Gore not so green? Your thoughts?
An opinion piece is cracking into USA TODAY.com’s most-read stories this morning — a relatively rare occurrence. It’s from author and Hoover Institution fellow Peter Schweizer. The headline summarizes: “Gore isn’t quite as green as he’s led the world to believe.”
The criticism of Gore begins in detail in the third paragraph. “For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little,” Schweizer writes. “He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film’s distributor, pays this.)” More criticisms follow.
SOMEBODY’S WORRIED — GET LIEBERMAN OUT OF THE RACE. WHERE THE HELL IS LAMONT — it has been 3 days and no WORD from him….
Especially with the latest fear factor…that Chimpy knew about since Friday……..wonder if ButtonBoy tipped off NoJOE about the 24 loosers* - rag-tags….Code RED ..Fear Factory….save Tony Blair’s ass plot.
*Greg Palast describes them
I absolutely agree.
#87: I don’t know where to find what the chemicals were. But one important point is that this should not have been a surprise. The 9/11 commission talked about this possibility. Kean discussed it as something that had been overlooked today or yesterday, I think.
Note that one of the GOP scare tactics has been to have one of their spokesman say “Oh my God, who wouldda thunk a this. Be scared be real scared!”
The GOP is slipping up so bad. They lie out of their own mouths every day, reel out yards of rope to hang themselves six times over. Why Dems don’t use the material, I do not know.
leiberman definitely has dual loyalties - himself and the democratic party.
Subway,
I wouldn’t want to be posting ingredients that makes things go pop. However, I am grateful someone in this world has intelligence that works to stop this before it happened. It’s sorta cute the way our presidunce is strutting around thumping his chest, when there is no evidence of intelligent life forms in this administration. Quick Scottie, beam me up.
I just dont understand why the Dems dont pound the rethugs into the ground with the fact that W hasnt gotten BIN LADEN!!!!!! Why???? That is pure Gold!!!! Talk about Failure. I am just hoping and praying the Lamont win grows back some spines for the dems.
re #93: I meant to say that Kean talked about the manufacturing explosives on the plane as being something (else) that BushCo overlooked and ignored from 9/11 commission report.
weeder @ 85
I am actually curious how this “LOOK SCARY TERRORISTS.” plan will work in Conn. A lot of Conn. residents work in NYC, come here occasionally and were generally part of the 9/11 tragedy. We WENT THROUGH the worst terrorist attack on American. While I think pols screaming TERROR to constituents in middle America, freaks them out enough to do what the pols want them to, having been a constant target the Tri-State area are tired of it. We have had or lives changed — we have random bag checks in the subway, we had blocks clear because of anthrax, we are always at orange alert.
I think a lot of Tri-Staters (all three went Blue in 2004) are more harried by the constant cry of TERROR than the rest of the country.
Swopa @
38
Good lord. We were bored? When the f*&k was that?
Ah. I made a boo-boo in my EPU Zone commentary.
June 27 = Israeli soldier taken captive
June 9 = Israel bombs Palestinian family on beach
June 8 = Zarqawi killed
These things influence the traffic on those charts I linked.
The other chart to watch:
http://www.technorati.com/chart/tag:iraq civil war
They lost control of it and had to find a way to turn it around. They didn’t kill off the Lamont story right way or release the terror alert story sooner, because Lamont actually kept us from talking about the civil war in Iraq. Once we started talking too much about Democratic Party candidates, they decided to fuel some in-fighting long enough to get their unified messaging on the terror alert lined up.
At least if I was in marketing trying to do damage control, this is what I’d be doing.
Jane on Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....27100.html
King Solomons inheritance has graced us with his presence!
maeme, 91: “WHERE THE HELL IS LAMONT — it has been 3 days and no WORD from him….”
I read he was taking a well-deserved break at his retreat in Maine. Which is not to say he is idle. I am sure he brought some advisers along and they are doing some brainstorming. And he has been issuing statements answering Lieberman’s lies.
All hail King David
…and the crowd goes wild…RAAAAAHHHHH!
Hey Jane –
You are the cat’s pajamas . . .
You, and the CT bloggers, and OFG — do us all proud . . .
On the NewsHour tonight, Mark Shields said that HoJo crossed over to the (way bad dark side) when he said that Ned Lamont was a victory for the bad guys.
Joe Lieberman — the self important stool; that needs San-o-Flush, cherry bombs, heavy duty pungers, and triple flushing — before he goes down the tubes.