
Joe Lieberman is not entitled to a do-over in Connecticut. There is no mulligan in politics.
And the fact that he apparently feels that he is entitled to one says everything you need to know about the empty, egomaniacal husk of a man that Lieberman has become — holing up in his hotel room and refusing to talk to long-time political friends who are trying to talk sense to a man who is besmirching whatever political legacy he may still have by pushing forward the "Lieberman for Lieberman" ego parade.
No one likes a whiny, poor sport and a turncoat, Joe. No one.
According to the AP this morning, Joe Lieberman feels like a liberated loser — and he can now be himself. The man is an eighteen year veteran of the Senate, he is 64 years of age, he lost the Democratic primary, he’s decided to thumb his nose at the Democratic voters of Connecticut…and he says that this independent run gives him "the freedom to be more like himself in the election."
Well, who in the hell has he been for the last 64 years?
Bush’s top adviser, Karl Rove, said he called Lieberman on primary night and wished him well, although he denied offering the senator help in the election’s final hours.
"I called him, he’s a personal friend, and I called him Tuesday afternoon, five o’clock thereabout, and wished him well on his election that night," Rove told reporters traveling with the president to Wisconsin. "It was a personal call."
Apparently, he’s been a pal of Karl Rove. Don’t get me wrong, bi-partisanship can be a good thing, so long as in the negotiations you get as much as you give, and there is a true bi-partisan spirit to the bargaining. But the word bi-partisan does not mean "hand over the loot and no one gets hurt." Joe Lieberman lost the plot on that one a long, long time ago.
Lieberman has also been good pals with Dick Cheney. They had a cordial debate in the 2000 campaign, and as the above photo shows, have pledged to work together (read: Lieberman agreed to roll over at Cheney’s asking) on a number of issues from the very start of the Bush/Cheney presidency.
“If we just pick up like Ned Lamont wants us to do, get out by a date certain, it will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England,” Mr. Lieberman said at a campaign event in Waterbury, Conn. “It will strengthen them, and they will strike again.”…
Mr. Lamont denounced Mr. Lieberman’s remarks, and some other Democrats and political analysts questioned the senator’s use of a national security hazard to buttress a political attack, especially against another Democrat.
Yet Mr. Lieberman has accused Mr. Lamont of distorting the senator’s record on Iraq, and the Connecticut race has turned into an increasingly bitter fight between two Democrats over issues of war and national security.
In a telephone interview yesterday from his vacation home in Maine, Mr. Lamont said he was disappointed by Mr. Lieberman’s tone, and he questioned whether the war in Iraq had any bearing on terrorists’ designs on Western nations. Mr. Lamont also hit back by again connecting Mr. Lieberman to President Bush, whose war plans he has endorsed at times.
“Wow,” Mr. Lamont said, after twice asking a reporter to read Mr. Lieberman’s remark about him. “That comment sounds an awful lot like Vice President Cheney’s comment on Wednesday. Both of them believe our invasion of Iraq has a lot to do with 9/11. That’s a false premise.”
Wow, facts. Novel approach, and how refreshing from Ned Lamont. Lieberman and Cheney are so close, they apparently share messaging advisors. Sweet.
Again, I’m all for cordiality and a real discussion of the issues. But that does not mean that you just agree to whatever the other side wants from you so that they will continue to like you and stroke your ego.
America wants a change. The people of Connecticut spoke to that last Tuesday — where not only Democrats, but record numbers of independent voters and Republicans registered as Democrats to be able to vote in the primary — against Joe Lieberman and his propping up of George Bush, Dick Cheney and their failed policies and Rubber Stamp Republican Congress.
E.J. Dionne hits that nail right on the head today:
…Speaking in Cleveland, Mehlman couldn’t resist starting with a little old-fashioned redbaiting. He explained Ronald Reagan’s defection from the Democratic Party this way: "He saw the beginning of the end, as a party that had vowed to fight communism became a party that set itself against those who fought communism." Ah, yes, the party of Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale was nothing but a bunch of anti-anti-communists.
From there it was an easy leap to saying a Democratic Party — cleverly renamed the "Defeat-ocrat Party" by the RNC chairman — "that once stood for strength now stands for retreat and defeat." Translation: Anyone who dares question our botched approach is in favor of surrender….
And if being against the Iraq war makes you "extreme left," then the administration has succeeded in pushing 60 percent of Americans into that camp. That’s the proportion opposed to the war in the new CNN poll.
When he announced he was running as an independent, Lieberman issued a ringing condemnation of "petty partisanship and angry vitriol." He denounced those who offered "insults instead of ideas" and said the purpose of politics is "to lift up, not to tear down." True, and there could hardly be any more offensive examples of petty partisanship than the vitriolic screeds issued by Cheney, Mehlman and Snow — coming, as they did, just a day before we learned of a new terrorist plot against us.
We’ll never achieve authentic bipartisanship until a crowd that has clung to power by dividing us into bitter camps gets the rebuke it deserves. In the meantime, Lieberman might usefully send a copy of his speech to his friends in the White House. They divide us at our peril.
Absolutely correct. We have been travelling down the wrong road in our approach to combatting terrorism, our failure of leadership in foreign policy, and our idiotic adherence to "cowboy diplomacy" for long enough. The fact that Joe Lieberman could not recognize that the nation needs real leadership on these issues because President Bush and his Rubber Stamp Republican Congress, their profligate spending and inadequate planning having mired us in unfinished quagmires in Iraq and, increasingly, Afghanistan…the fact that our own allies trust the Bush Administration less than Joe Lieberman speaks volumes, doesn’t it?
Lieberman was held to account for his failures by voters that he now refuses to acknowledge had the right to do so. If Joe Lieberman is searching for his "authentic" identity, he might try this one on for size: acting like a mature adult who accepts that actions have consequences, rather than pouting and behaving like a seven year old who has taken someone else’s ball and headed off for another home.
The bottom line is this: do you trust the Bush Administration to make the decisions that will make you and your family safer? Do you trust a man like Joe Lieberman who, time and time again, hasn’t held them accountable for their failures?
Me neither. Face it, Connecticut voters just aren’t that into you.
PS — Note to Joe: With internet service, you get what you pay for…I’m just saying.
(And for a little Friday entertainment, one of my all-time favorite songs, performed by Miss Patty LaBelle. A Change Is Gonna Come. If this doesn’t give you goosebumps, you aren’t breathing.)
Related posts:
- Q-Poll: Lieberman’s Opposition to Public Option Not Popular in Connecticut
- “He’s With Us On Everything But The War”
- Lieberman’s Filibuster Threats Run Counter to 2006 Campaign Rhetoric
- Klein on How Lieberman Went Bad: It’s All Jane’s Fault
- Historically Unpopular Former President Says That Popularity Doesn’t Matter





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Fitz!
Is Ego Joe better than Selfish Joe?
I like both but we should collectively decide and build the meme.
I’m kinda leaning toward Ego Joe now… Less tonguetwisting seafood confusion.
he he he
joe’s a dick.
xyz @ 2
now it sounds like a frozen waffle.
For what it’s worth, please read this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..27006.html
Cheney in the picture: It might as it were, be unpleasant, but sometimes, er it becomes necessary to strangle the kitten, if you will…
squirrel hiller –
Ha!
That means it is catchy! Who can forget Leggo my Eggo?
We are going to have to get used to this.
Cheney/Bush have layed it out pretty clearly.
“Vote in a manner we don’t like and we will Terrorize the nation.”
http://www.LieberLoser.com
http://www.Sore-Loserman.com
http://www.SoreLooserman.com
The media should point out Joe’s extraordinary hypocrisy of decrying “partisanship” while simultaneously claiming that Connecticut voters are aiding al Qaeda.
L’eggo my Eggo, Joe.
Joe’s ego is clearly very fragile. He cannot take losing. Imagine how he’d feel if he lost twice.
Thought from the previous thread:
What if a terrist replaces the Poly-Grip on his dentures before leaving for the airport…
Can I join the think tank now?
it’s hard when ya get fired.
Oh and YET ANOTHER lost/stolen government laptop, this time exposing the personal info 133,000 people.
Can we please get some Democrats in charge who will do some real security, instead of all of this never-ending Republican marketing campaign?
i wish i still had photoshop. i would put a front view of joe with w’s beedy eyes, sprinkle with freckles or pre-cancerous growths, and i think it would be the difinitive alfred e. newman.
OT – Isreal’s expanded ground offensive given ‘the go-ahead’ – MSNBC
Joe has already lost 3 of the last 4 elections he’s been involved in —
lost as VP in 2000
won as Senator in 2000
lost Presidential nomination in 2004
lost in Senatorial Primary 2006
pretty shoddy track record
The Terrorpublicans – there they go again. Lamont could step up and just nail them with a clear and direct offense: “At long last, have you no shame?” It was good enough to bring McCarthy out from the shadows and expose him to the light. Lamont seems to have a knack for calling a spade a spade- he’s got the national spotlight, now might be the time to utilize it.
Everyone should just leave him alone now. And quit trying to salvage what’s left of his legacy. After all, Karl Rove considers him a personal friend. As does Dick Cheney.
Granted, it means that resources will be spent campaigning against him that could be used elsewhere, but, on the other hand, his campaign will become like a head on a pike. And that will become his more deserved legacy. The only person who cannot recognize hubris is the person afflicted with it. Everyone else sees it plain as day. Including those who are using him.
Leave Joe Lieber-Cheney alone.
-Haddassa-Lynn Cheney-man
Love the picture. The look on JoeBlow’s face says it all:
“You’re so freakin’ hot, Dick. I just go all melty when you sneer like that.
“Don’t be mad at me. I can’t take any more rejection. Yeah, I flirted with Dubya. More like sucking up, really. He needs people to suck up to him. But whenever he smooched me, Dickie, I was thinking only of you. He’s nothing to me now. You got the power. And you got me, all of me. Ooooh, baby. Oooooh, baby.”
Oh yeah,
I called Boltin’ Joe’s office today and let them know calmly that I had voted for him for VP in 2000 and thought that his continued efforts to run as an Indpendent will ruin his legacy.
-GSD
Noron just laced into Bob McFarland on terrorism – repeating Kerry’s talking points … I almost dropped my laptop!
When I was checking in at the airport yesterday (yeah, my chapstick is a wmd!) the American Airlines lady saw my Lamont button and launched into an astonishing rant against Lieberman …it was pretty intense. His refusal to honor the voters has added an edge of anger for CT voters who may have like Lamont but did not feel passionate about the race – now they are!
Lieberman is hitching his wagon to Mr. 19% and Mr. 33%.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
Mulligan Joe. Nice.
“petty partisanship and angry vitriol.”
Joe’s got baggage: no more Vitriol allowed in carry-on
squirrel hiller — go to GIMP.org and check it out.
Free, too. And then knock yourself out with that artwork.
I liked Samantha Bee’s take on it o TDS,
It’s like his girlfriend was breaking up with him and he just wouldn’t accept it. It has gone from a relationship to stalking.
Joe is stalking the voters who wanted to break up with him.
Lieberman along with Hillary Clinton are 2 of the 12 most powerful people blocking and independent investigation of 9/11.
CNN’s promising an upcoming story about the plot to blow up planes with liquid explosives TEN years ago and they are asking why the wait of 10 years to take these precautions now?
Eeek, the dreaded double-EPU!
lotus @ 177
GSD @ 26
Maybe he doesn’t understand that you don’t add their percentages together to get his own percentage. I’m just sayin’.
siun @ 25
siun – tried to post last night, but les tubes were wacky. Thanks for your work in CT!
any idea when we will see the first post lamont win polling on a three-way race? i think lawrence o’donnell lays out a pretty reasonable scenario. joe’s numbers are going to start a free-fall and in about a month he’ll drop out.
i think we should start a pool. poster with the closest date/time of losermans announcement wins.
For all out there
siun was a tireless star in CT!
and her brother is quite the cutie too!
Kurt @ 33
the sum of the farts is less than the hole?
Dayum that is an ugly picture! Perfect though. Vice President Amorphophallus titanum and Mr. “I have loyalties that are greater than those to my party” resting up for the next episode of spewing some quaveringly insincere nonsense, the timbre of his voice setting those serpiginous dewlaps flapping. As CHS says “Blergh”.
I find it so very funny that the GOP is just falling all over itself to support Joe(I, WATB). In my morning paper’s opinion section who did I see but the wise man of the right David Brooks creating another party out of whole cloth. The McCain-Lieberman party, the rational middle that puts country before party. The part that really got me was this
He most likely wrote that without any intended irony, not realizing what an undemocratic statment it was. Or maybe he did and he doesn’t care all that much for democracy.
Alright! The blockquote came out correctly.
“Finally, I can stop pretending to be a Democrat.”
FYI, Ned Lamont will be on Face the Nation this Sunday.
http://www.nedlamont.com/page/…../media/w77
And Russ is going to be on This Week.
Get the fuck out.,Cheney,Rove and lieberman are personal friends?
Whadda surprise.
That would go a long way in explaing Bendover Joe’s actions.
Go. Away. Joe.
wow, hilary is getting some excellant action lately…she’s beginning to “go there”
that’s EXACTLY the way we have to treat the administration and their polices…we have to EMBARRASS them for their performance
after the brutal spanking she gave rumsfeld, she’s becoming more presidential in my eyes
the other democrats need to take her cue
A movie for our time:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063643/
-GSD
Best short speech against “over-fed baby huey cowards like Rove, Hannity,” pro-internet, and against the “chrisitian psychotics”. Please go watch at http://www.henryrollins.ifc.com. “So, its somehow unamerican to question authority and in league with terrorists world-wide? Fuck you!”
please check it out(I’ll be your best friend!). it made my weekend.
Can you believe he said this:
Is there a clearer statement of arrogance and addiction to DC corruption?
‘At long last America, Republicans have the freedom to negotiate with themselves in public as Senior Town’s finest, Joe Buck$, kicks loose the mule to shake his pasty pasties and conservatively-supported-against-unsightly-sagging moneymaker for their licentiously lugubrious enjoyment’
What a marvel of liberty
;>)
Still with Hillary, she is only coming out now that it is safe.
Russ Fiengold never needed to see Bush at 33% and the voters in full backlash mode to spank that cowboy’s ass red.
Hillary was for Bush before she was against him.
Still, I like hearing Bush getting ridiculed no matter how calculated.
-GSD
jayackroyd @ 46
While he has successfully campaigned as against the Iraq war, he doesn’t appear – at least to this old high desert buckaroo – to be aginst War. Am reminded of an old saw: same stuff, different day.
drouse, David Sirota picked up on that same disgusting Brooks theme in his article today:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..27024.html
Whew!
I needed a new trash liner anyway.(wiping mouth with back of hand)
Good one darkblack.
I think Joe believes the polls that showed he would win in a 3-way race. But six months ago nobody else believed Ned would beat Joe. I think there’s going to be a massive change in that 3-way poll that yanks the pins out from under Joe.
A good tagline/catchy soundbite for a Lamont stump speech, should JoMo persist in his run:
“Joe, why is your party called Connecticut for Lieberman and not Lieberman for Connecticut?”
Y’know, I am SO comforted by the site of THIS everywhere at airports now:
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WO…..ri5.gi.jpg
Dude can hit a bottle of hair gel at 200 meters, firing from the hip.
We are now SO much safer.
_
Liberman and his ilk are simply not done stealing… they have to crush the islamofascists… he is on a mission from god… He is really pathetic… an embarrassment and amazing that he can’t see what a fool he is making of himself.
He is like a clown.. but he wants to be taken seriously.
Step aside Joe… there are others who can get the work of democracy done… you had your chance and you blew it. Read the writing on the wall… go to temple… ask for forgiveness…
You will be forgiven…
Please don’t get upset with me, but I have to observe:
What if Joe runs as an Indy and wins more than 50% of the vote? Doesn’t that mean that CT voters really do want him and that Democracy is best served by him winning? Even though I don’t want him to win and am as happy as everyone else here that Ned put the beat-down on him, that only represented the Democrat point of view. As bad as I hate to say it, if all of CT puts him back with a majority of the vote, then he is in fact the guy that deserves to be there. Majority rule should trump party politics. Of course, everything I just said completely flies out the window if there is no majority. And also of course, a Lamont majority would be the sweetest victory of all.
Mark, Linky no worky.
-GSD
me to me @ 9:01
I still refuse to vote for her. Hillary, Fuh-geddaboutit!
Kudos to her though for speaking out. Come on Dems, you can use those spines, really!
re Brooks – the one thing we can all be sure of is that milque-toast political historian parading as analyst Mark Shields* won’t call BS on Brooks on the News Hour today.
*(don’t get me wrong – I kinda like the guy, he’s just all gums)
I can’t help but wonder if Lieberman was disappointed that Gephardt beat him to knifing Daschle and all of the Democrats in the back over starting the neocon wars. You just know Lieberman had wished it was him in the Rose Garden standing next to Commander Bunnypants announcing plans to invade countries.
Jani at 57 — That would be an accurate sentiment if Lieberman had run as an independent candidate from the get go. But he did not. He ran as a Democrat, in the Democratic primary, and as such accepted the rules that go along with it. Except he didn’t like the results, and now is trying to end-run his former party by demanding a mulligan. Well, it doesn’t work that way — and he needs to dance with the one that brung him and go home. Period. If he wasn’t going to accept the will of the Democratic voters, then he should never have run as a Democrat.
Christy 62 -
And, Leavermann should resign his membersip in the Democratic Party if he’s gonna now be an “Independent.” He wants it all ways, though. The Dems oughta simply expell him for such treason, if they have that authority within their by-laws.
_
longer Lieberloser, channeling TRex’s Sly Stone from last night:
We have a Labor Day parade in our town, which is fun for town organizations and our high school marching band, but it’s also the traditional kick-off to the election season. State and and national politicians always walk the parade and both sides of the aisle are welcome; it’s good visibility and gets the constituents pumped up. However, this year our first selectman has written Mr. Lieberman and respectfully requested that he NOT participate. Hopefully, this is just the beginning where Joe, Party of One, is on a slippery slope to nowhere.
Morning,
OT, but could someone please explain to me what committee is working on the amendment to the Geneva Convention?
I know it stems from the WH, and McCainEnabel was listening to testimony…
I’m torn….to discipline Lieberman and make him pay for his vile betrayal or to just move on, support Lamont to the max and let Lieberman get more and more irrelevant as the mid-term draws near. I’m beginning to lean toward the latter.
For the last several days, I thought I’d love to see him publically disciplined by the Dems, etc. but I don’t want the tactics to create a backlash – particularly now that the Rove and the Eye of Mordor has spotted Lamont and is trying to obliterate him with spew. Also, making a fuss out of him seems to be creating an inordinate amount of focus on Lieberman rather than on Lamont.
OTOH, I thought the O’Donnell piece in HuffPo, which states that Lieberman will definately depart from the scene in September was pretty well-reasoned. While I thirst for a public besmirching of Lieberman, I’m beginning to reluctantly believe that it may be at cross-purposes to the Lamont cause.
Rasmussen is out:
Lieberman 46
Lamont 41
Schlesinger 6
Winston Smith’s commentary includes this note:
I don’t happen to agree with the bit at the end. The GOP machine may sit on its hands. Or they may throw a real candidate into the mix. Lamont could well implode (this is his first campaign, after all). With the gambler in there, they won’t be able to pick up the pieces if he does.
Mark,
you have an extra ‘.’ in your link: http://www.henryrollins.ifc.com/
*Watch ‘TEEING OFF”
THX
I’m sort of ambivalent on the whole “Joe should quit” thing.
On the one hand, it would be nice if he dropped out and agreed that the voters have spoken and Ned should only have to run against Alan “C’mon Lucky 7!” Schlesinger.
…but on the other hand, I’ll feel lost without having Joe to kick around for another three months. On video.
This is a tough one to call.
David Brooks can be considered the voice of the right and if he’s saying it then it can be assumed that it’s the prevailing attitude on the right. And that should be shouted from the rooftops. Of course, to anyone who pays attention it has been obvious from day one.
For the life of me I don’t understand why the Democratic party is absolutely THRILLED that Lamont won. He is saying so many things that need to be said and therefore being branded a dangerous lefty wingnut by the media that anything anyone says in comparison is going to seem moderate. He is providing all Dems so much cover that they should feel liberated to say what they feel and should be flocking to the Media to bash the policies of this administration.
Has Joe come out as the Bush/Coulter Republican he really is?
Just askin’
bookwoman @ 65
Bookwoman, please PLEASE get me details on this! It would make an AWESOME blog post!
Pretty please?
Lou Costello, thanks man. Is that great or what?
“I must tell you if I was being selfish and listened to my wife, …”
Whupass, Hadassah!
Joe is a compassionate conservative.
Jani @ 57
No one is saying that a person who gets the majority of votes shouldn’t win.
Joe had no intention of following the result of the Democratic primary, so he should not have participated in it.. The principled thing to do would have been to declare himself as an independent and drop out of the primary. He took donations from Democrats to run in that primary.
me to me @ 43
She may be the one talking, but I hear the Big Dog. She’s had a number of zingers lately that feel like they’re coming from him. Nice to see him back in the game.
BobbyG @ 63
If the Democratic leadership had any b@lls, they should say NOW, ‘Even if you win Joey Two Times, WE DON’T WANT YOU ON OUR SIDE!‘ I won’t hold my breath…
CT Bob @ 70
The polls I’m seeing are making me nervous, actually. I think Clinton (Big Dog) owes those of us who backed him against the coup a great big public speech in support of Lamont and a clear call for Lieberman to play by the rules.
Christy,
Just wondering. . . can we please use a word besides “mulligan”?
It’s a pretty heavy word. There are so many associations with Bill Clinton & the attacks that were launched on him by the right wing. No offense meant whatsoever.
bonzarella at 82 – you know, I just think of it as a golf term. No loaded whatever intended. I know I’m not the only golf watcher on the blog…(Where’s RW this morning?) ;-)
lisadawn82 @ 72
Getting slimed by the right should be a badge of honor. The things the right doesn’t want said generates fear and so they lash out. Anything that makes the right afraid is alright by me
Joe Lieberman is getting plenty of money to keep campaigning. Most of it coming from out-of-state Republicans and 90-95% from prominant, wealthy Jewish donors. He has a powerful, loyal base. But, his base cannot vote here in CT, guys. I don’t see Joe giving up unless he runs out of money, so plan on seeing his name on the ballot in November.
Christy at 83, speaking as I prepare for my regular Friday humiliation on the gawf course, I think of it only as a links term too.
Semi – OT
I flew yesterday, what fun. Still pissed enough that I really do not want to talk to anyone where it matters if an occasional F**k or other such words would come out.
Working with a client in southern California, I travel from Phoenix to Ontario, CA via a local carrier. I have made 12 round trips already this year so this is my commute to work.
I knew about the terror threat, the changes, listened to TeeVee & the local radio stations to get a clue. So arrived at the airport 2 1/2 hrs before my flight. The airport was clogged in some areas, such as the Southwest counter as so many of their travelers carry on all their baggage. TSA handed out the restrictions. No liquids, gels or anything that could be a gel. That included makeup, concealer, hand lotion, lip gloss, over the counter ointments, contact solutions and mascara. Ok, pretty much cleaned out my computer bag & purse putting everything in my checked bag. Liquids could be bought after going through security but cannot be taken on the plane.
The incoming plane was 30 minutes late, we did not board until the scheduled take off time. The airlines informed us prior to boarding that anyone caught with liquids would be arrested, that there would be NO drink service and NO access to the bathrooms. Last chance was right before boarding. Since the flight usually is a 50 minute flight, no biggy. BUT after boarding, we sat at the gate for an hour, lost our scheduled take off time and had to wait for that, so by the time we actually took off, it was nearly 1 1/2hrs. Then due to weather, the flight went way north, rounded north of Las Vegas and then south. My nice short commute flight of 47 minutes, turned into 3 1/2 hr trapped in a plane with NO drinks or bathroom service. We were told due to turbulence, there would be NO service BUT first class passengers were drinking up as those of us in coach were boarding.
The flight was a little more than 1/2 full, the overhead bins were pretty much empty, you probably could fit everything in 3-4 bins total. They kept the lights off most of the flight and there were occasional ruff spots, I have experienced more severe turbulence where they were running food/drink carts up and down the plane.
The thing that really got me was that those banned items could be put in my checked bag, they would be on the same plane… so if there was a risk, why would they allow them on the plane at all? Then I was also hearing the development of urban legends, you will find them in emails going around soon. I head that some woman was arrested because she would not give up her $50 of make up(ya right. I have a friend who just cancelled their vacation to London, a trip that had been planned for months.
Right now I feel that we are victims of PTSD from what this administration is doing to all Americans.
Christy @ 83, I know you don’t intend the loaded meaning; but think about how frequently the right called Clinton the guy who always takes mulligans. . . I just worry about the heavyness of language (aka Lakoff) and the problem of framing the left (or anyone associated with the left) as guys who always “flip flop” or “change their minds” or “wanna do over.”
hmmm, i’d have to agree that only 6% for the actual (well, in name anyway) gop candidate seems unlikely. and once all of joe’s “i’m a PROGRESSIVE democrat” statments come back to haunt him there is no way that anyone even a little conservative is going to vote for him. and those conservative votes are ONLY going to come out of joe’s numbers. peel off 5-10% from joe and all the sudden he isn’t in first any more.
You know sometimes the best way to win a fight is to take a blow your expecting in order to set your opponent up for a decimating return blow.
Taking the blow would be advocating getting out of Iraq, abandon the neo-conservative master plan, or as Cheney and Lieberman would say: let the “terrorist” win this half. What other alternative is there? Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Republicans have so F’up over there that there is no saving it.
But then say we are going to go back to Afghanistan and honor our commitment there, and we are going to re-direct our energies and intellect toward fighting the war on terror worldwide and undermining its root causes.
I rather liked the use of the word “mulligan”.
Maybe it just needed a link to Wikipedia’s definition for folks who aren’t golfers.
Lieberman’s already gotten more mulligans in his career than any politician should ever expect.
According to TPMCafe, a real GOP candidate is coming to Connecticut. No more gambling addicts, so Lieberman’s going to find his new friends are going to ditch him. I’m feeling fresh Joementum.
Somebody posted this cartoon link last night on FDL. It illustrates Samantha Bee’s analogy; stinkyman needs to learn the difference between dating and stalking.
http://www.statenews.com/show_…..tml?pk=456
1,237 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Mayan:
“I’m torn… to discipline Lieberman and make him pay for his vile betrayal or just move on… and let Lieberman get more and more irrelevant…”
You can do both, dear…pressure the Democratic Party leadership to strip Lieberman of all positions within the party and support Lamont’s anti-Bush campaign without payin’ any attention to Ol’ Joe.
That’s basically what the voters in the Democratic primary did…they sent a message to the elected leadership of the Democratic Party that Joe was no longer welcome, now it’s up to the party to take ‘im out. The vote was FOR Lamont and against Bushfascism…if Lieberman wants it to be a condemnation of him too then so be it…but don’t agonize over what to do, jest do it and hold the elected leadership of your party to do their jobs on your behalf.
KEEP THE FAITH AND HAVE NO FEAR, THEY CAN’T EVEN RUN A ONE CAR JUNKYARD!!!
Bush/Coulter Republican Joe Lieberman calls for more civility in political debates.
The problem with Democrats is that they are really too decent, err, too human.
When Vermont’s James Jeffords switched from (R) to (I) Bush disinvited Jeffords from a non-partisan Whitehouse ceremony honoring educational achievments. The Bush/Coulter Republican Party then treated Jeffords as a pariah.
Joe will still get smiles and love from the party he has continuously shivved in the back.
-GSD
when I’m (infrequently) on the golf course, mulligans are just like chocolate chip cookies: “OK, just one more, then I’ll stop”
Mulligan is do-over in golf. As in, ” My first shot didn’t make it past the ladies tee, can I have a mulligan?” Texas golf anyone?
What was it F. Scott Fitzgerald said? Something like “There are no second acts in American lives…..
But of course there was Nixon……
bonzarella, I honestly don’t think that “mulligan” has any political currency at all these days. At least, you are the only one I’ve ever heard express this, um, concern.
sorry yall, i won’t harp on this mulligan thing anymore, but here is a golf glossary that LITERALLY has Clinton’s image under the definition of mulligan.
Ga at 97 — nope, click on the link below the pix for the story behind it.
email just arrived from Lamont campaign:
1,237 dayz and the killin goez on and on and…
fahrender:
With Nixon it was the same act, jest different scenes.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T FEAR WHAT AIN’T THERE!!!
Lamont should have said “Both of them pretend our invasion of Iraq has a lot to do with 9/11.” Surely neither of them actually believes that.
Joe just wants to mull it over again
(cue darkblack for image of Joe with a mullet haircut)
sorry yall, i won’t harp on this mulligan thing anymore, but here is a golf glossary that LITERALLY has Clinton’s image under the definition of mulligan.
The morning after his primary defeat to Ned Lamont, Lieberman’s campaign delivered two boxes full of petitions to Secretary of the State Susan Bysiewicz, signaling he would continue the battle for his Senate seat as an “Independent Democrat.”
Maybe this is my pet peeve, but there is no such thing as an independent democrat. Make him use the CT for Lieberman or unaffiliated term. Once he dismissd the Democratic voters of the state, he stopped being a Democrat.
http://www.courant.com/news/lo…..ines-local
Poor old Bush/Coulter Republican Joe.
The last time he won an election was when his adversary was a pedophile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano
-GSD
UptownNYChick at 106 — it’s not just you with that peeve.
Bustednuckles @ 42
which one of that trio wins the handsome man contest?
RevDeb – tireless siun is amazingly tired today … typing slow and praying for no work phone calls. My bro is now an FDL addict and called me to rave about how much fun he had Sat night … and you are right, he is a cutie!
Punaise – waving! it was a blast … good work, a bit too much of it but the adrenalin kicked in and sharing the back room with Trex’ adorable policy wonk Juliet made it fun – she’s a great comrade when you’re answering 3 phones at once! and seeing the blogosphere arrive and just pitch in made me so happy! As usual, I just wished what I do does not inevitably mean I have no time/energy to socialize!
DINO Joe
[To: “Jambalaya”]
DINO Joe, he gotta go, me-o, my-o.
Stuck like glue to Double-U, make me cry-o.
As if he won, gonna run, me-o, my-o.
Son-of-a-gun, it’s time he’s done, say “good-bye-o.”
CHO:
Joe-bye-bye, spit in your eye, what a loser,
Sings the blues on TV news, what a snoozer.
G.O.P. star, loves the war, me-o, my-o.
Son-of-a-gun, this time he’s done, say “bye-bye-o.”
People’s vote sticks in his throat, can’t take losin’,
Second place, do-over race is what he’s choosin’.
Keep his seat, with no retreat, that’s what he’s thinkin’
I wanna know, DINO Joe, what you been drinkin’?
CHO:
2006 Bob Clayton & Ed Drone
Oh, I did not like the Rasmussen poll. I had heard it was tied, but even with a fairly large margin of error, just have so many say Lieberman is a problem. This, I assume, was taken immediately after Tuesday so not sure.
It think it is basically tied, which gives Joe, IMO, some running room unless more and more people ridicule him out of running.
are all my comments now getting moderated?
Rock the boat . . . hmmm . . .
Never realized it before, but the rockers of Queen have got a real message for Ol’ Joementum:
Buddy youre a boy make a big noise
Playin in the street gonna be a big man some day
You got mud on yo face
You big disgrace
Kickin your can all over the place
We will we will rock you
We will we will rock you
Buddy youre a young man hard man
Shoutin in the street gonna take on the world some day
You got blood on yo face
You big disgrace
Wavin your banner all over the place
We will we will rock you
We will we will rock you
Buddy youre an old man poor man
Pleadin with your eyes gonna make you some peace some day
You got mud on your face
You big disgrace
Somebody better put you back in your place
We will we will rock you
We will we will rock you
Joe’s first – who’s next for being rocked?
A Kos poster put up a diary yesterday noting that Lieberman can’t self identify as a democratic candidate. The same diarist has one up today noting that he also can’t self-identify as an independent. That party exists in CT and is running a petition candidate. The proper reference is Lieberman (CFL).
Dear………..
Joe Lieberman is not a real Democrat.
Really, I don’t think he ever was a Democrat.
Joe has been undermining Democratic Party unity for years.
Al Gore’s biggest mistake was selecting Joe as his running mate.
Joe ran a lackluster campaign and when the Republicans stole election 2000,
Joe sold out Al Gore when he publicly called for Al to concede before the votes were properly counted.
Joe has turned his back on the Democratic Party again by running against Ned Lamont, the democratically elected Democratic Party candidate for US Senator from Connecticut.
Joe is calling himself an “Independent Democrat”.
Republicans are using Joe to attack the Democratic Party.
They have even offered to help Joe continue in his pathetic behavior.
Joe is an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.
The Senate Democratic caucus should reassign Joe’s Democratic Party committees to real Democrats.
Please don’t allow Joe to have it both ways.
Sincerely,
Subway Serenade @
7
and if you just don’t have the stomach for it, just take out your cell phone and speed dial Frist…….
Maybe we could all chip in for a house for Joe. Paint it white and all his dreams have come true!
bookwoman @
65
I would send your first selectman a big Left Coast Kiss and THANK YOU if you posted a link or email address….
fahrender @ 118
Such razor-sharp wit, fahrender!
jayackroyd @ 115
Our so-called Dem leaders need to make sure he feels the full isolation of his decision….a Dem state leader needs to press the issue that he is no longer a Dem.
Also, looking at the polling, I am starting to feel bad for the Repub candidate, seems with the Repugs so busy helping the Green candidate in Pa, they forgot him.
David Sarota has them pegged. This is a must read:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..27024.html
punaise 60
I used to hang on Mark Shields’ every word – sharp mind & wit were delightful. But I think the last few years of $@#% wrought by the cheney preznitsy has absolutely burned him out, totally. It’s sad.
He ought to get out ASAP while he still has some years to enjoy NOT having to spar with smarmy idiots like Brooks.
UptownNYChick @ 108
I wrote to Courant’s readers rep with this complaint yesterday. She wrote back:
“You are correct the issue of the “independent Democrat” needs to be addressed with the staff and probably in a reader representative column. I will do so.”
Wouldn’t hurt if she received a couple more notes. But, please, the full bore FDL attack isn’t justified yet. Perhaps a few CT folks could let her know that this really is an issue.
Maybe this is my pet peeve, but there is no such thing as an independent democrat. Make him use the CT for Lieberman or unaffiliated term. Once he dismissd the Democratic voters of the state, he stopped being a Democrat.
http://www.courant.com/news/lo…..ines-local
If you think Joe isn’t going away without a fight, just wait ’til November when the big housecleaning comes. I’m expecting ceaseless election fraud/litigation/bullshit from the people who are actually in power, if this is how their favorite enabler is acting.
Joe will provide us with a useful test run for how to deal with the impending tidal wave of sore losers.
It seems to me that Censorin’ Joe has either flat-out lost his mind or that he is just the best exhibit yet when a politician has been in D.C. for far too long and becomes enamored of himself to the point of blindness.
Joe’s first – who’s next for being rocked?
Of DiFi, Schumer, Salazar, Pryor, and Beel Nelson — lessee, who’s up in ‘08 (and who’m I leaving out)?
Adie @ 123
Agreed
bonzarella @ 101
Lord above…. Lots of Repub golfers, I guess. Maybe somebody oughta make a Wikipedia entry for “political Mulligan” synonyms: Lieberman, Delay.
bonzarella at 114 — not that I know of — hold on, let me see if you are stuck in teh filter for some reason. (Sorry, can’t get to the filter every second — was researching for another article…patience is appreciated.)
Unions will not stand with Liebeman.
The fact that the Gopers are falling all over themselves to castigate us for rejecting one of their own is a Godsend.
Democrats will suffer a moderate republican in their ranks. Look at Bill Clinton. Joe just didn’t see the winds of change shift.
Maybe it’s time to take a breath and move on. After all we have a Legislature to win. Maybe we should stop rubbing the Gopers’ noses in it. Their world is crumbling and they’ll need understanding…
Well, maybe we could rub their noses in it until Monday. Just for fun.
Well, my first attempt to use the quote comment feature didn’t work out so well…
no prob — thanks, christy :)
siun,
Please take care of yourself. Get some good sleep and eat some good food. It will take at least a few days if not a week or too to re-enter the “real” world. But as long as we stick around here, the good mojo keeps going.
You really were great and they were lucky to have you and Gina. I hope they figured that out.
Glad your brother had a good time and hope he starts chiming in here.
(((((hug)))))
bonzarella at 114 — nope, nothing in the filter. One of the other moderators may have freed you up already — try refreshing your screen. (F5)
I agree, jackackroyd, UptownNYChick,
If Joe persists in labeling himself an “independent democrat,” he should be made to stop. Up to and including litigation, if necessary. It’s not just peevish or nit picky behavior: he ran in the democratic primary and lost. He is, likewise, not registered as an independent, and should not be allowed to use that appellation either.
Another once safe Bush/Coulter Republican is endangered.
R.I’s Gov. Don Carcieri(R-Cranberry in a bowl of Aqua-Velva) is now tied with his Dem rival.
(Snip)
Mirroring polls taken in June and May, a new Rasmussen Reports survey shows the Rhode Island gubernatorial race remaining one of the closest in the nation. Gov. Donald Carcieri (R) and Lt. Gov. Charles Fogarty (D) are currently tied with each receiving 43%.
-GSD
As far as I can tell the only sitting Dem in hotwater is Granholm in Michigan.
Adie and punaise, my momma used to call Gergen & Shields “The Pickle & The Pincushion.” What I’d give to hear her dubbing of BoBo . . .
Am I the only one dismayed by the Rasmussen poll? I truly believed, hopefully maybe, that once joe declared his independent run, all dems would vote Lamont. I knew he had his base but that base is not regular dems, are they? Are the black churches still supporting him?
I really would like to know.
“…The election of George W. Bush as president of the United States was a terrible calamity for the world and all its inhabitants. We all know the world is a big place, and leading it is too big a job for Bush. He is not the one who can ease its pain. Ever since he was born again and his eyes opened, he views the world as flat. In a confluence of fundamentalist Christian and Texan cowboy traditions, he divides the world into good people and bad people, the sons of light against the sons of darkness. The division is sharp and clear, all black and white, with no shades of gray. What a pity it is that the American president has inherited the earth and not the skies, which are divided so clearly into heaven and hell.
The messenger-president never has and never will have any truck with those not on the “good path” laid down by evangelist preachers and the Pentagon’s “new world order” prophets. And so, the only empire on the planet is feuding with half the world. It isn’t speaking to North Korea or Iran or Syria or to their satellites and emissaries – Hezbollah, Hamas, the Taliban and the like.
In his total redemption crusade, Bush is ignorant of how the world does mourn. He tilts at the windmills of evil like some grumpy Don Quixote, and reaps the whirlwind. He is absolutely determined to bring democracy to every country in the world, even if they drown in their own blood. About 100,000 Iraqis have already greased the cogs of Bush’s messianic revolution with their blood, and about 1,000 are slaughtered every week. The victims in Afghanistan are uncounted.
The international community is split and torn, divided and polarized as never before in recent history. It refuses to follow Bush’s path, but does not have its own. The European Union occasionally seems more clear-eyed, but also more frightened. The global choice is thus a very poor one, between the soft-headed and the soft-hearted.
Only in Israel do people still thrill at the sight of Bush and his Condoleezzian entourage. Maybe they have a plan to save Israel from its enemies, but they have no plan to save it from its big buddy or from itself. The bad guys, meanwhile, have long since stopped being impressed. They do their own thing, as if there was no America and it had nothing to say. Bush can raise his voice a thousand times, and nothing happens: Georgie-boy is in a snit, and if he doesn’t want to talk to us then who needs him? The crazies of the world are only uniting and growing stronger. They thumb their noses at his finger-wagging, the scolding of a teacher who is totally out of touch with his out-of-control classroom.
The United States under Bush single-handedly destroyed its deterrent power and that of the free world, including Israel. If the American demon that has taken over Iraq is not so terrible and can be worn down, then just how terrible could the Israeli demon possibly be?
Who would have believed it? Sometimes a normal human being finds himself missing the old world of blocs and the Berlin Wall. True, the fate of humankind in those days depended on the restraints imposed by what used to be called the “balance of terror,” but it was a balance nonetheless that mandated serious thought before action. When the terror of the Cold War disappeared, that balance disappeared along with it, and the omnipotent American hegemony became impotent. The world is heating up and spinning out of control. In this unconstrained world, we are the victims-of-the-month.”
- Yossi Sarid, Ha’artz
punaise @ 130
I third. I like Shields, but his pairings with Gigot and now Brooks perfectly illustrate the way we (Dems, Progs, Libs) always bring knives to the gunfight.
I’m also sick of pundits and pols saying they support Lieberman b/c he’s an old friend, they like him. How in the name of God can they put personality in the balance against the Iraq War. It is immoral, and I use the word advisedly.
GrandmaJ @ 114
I don’t think that poll reflects reality. It seemed like almost a mirror image of the election results. Anyways, aren’t these poll supposed to be of likely voters? The likely voters would have been the ones that just voted.
Ohhh, but what missed opportunity. He could be handed a shovel & sent to march behind the horses!
Just a bit OT here, Barb O’Brien has some very good things to say at her web site The Mahablog. I find her a must read (along with FDL, natch). Here’s a link to her latest: http://www.mahablog.com/2006/0…..ng-stupid/
gratuitous Friday lyrics:
I was anxious to hammer Joe immediately, but willing to let backchannels work. I guess I assume they are, but by Sunday morning if the Dem leadership is not out swinging on this — and I expect my senators Schumer and Clinton to be at the forefront — I will be pissed.
I think it means we will be on our own and the DC Beltway crowd’s response to Lamont’s win was simply an attempt to placate the scary citizens.
Has Karl Rove’s favorite former Democrat lashed out angrily again at 60 percent of the American people and called them extremists and unAmerican yet today?
tommy yum @ 138
At the very least when he is quoted in direct discourse (which is true in all the instances I’ve seen), the next line should note that he is a CFL candidate, not and independent or a democrat.
More Gratuitous Lyrics – “Dirty Harry” by Gorillaz:
At night I hear the shots
Ring so I’m a light sleeper
The cost of life seem to get cheaper
out in the desert
with my street sweeper
The war is over
So said the speaker,
with a flight suit on
Maybe to him I’m just a pawn
So he can advance
Remember when we use to dance
All I want to do is dance
GrandmaJ,
That poll was taken on the same or next day. Trends and changes don’t register that quick.
Let Bush/Coulter Republican Joe Lieber-Cheney’s bitter words and accusations that most of the Connectitcut voters—many who work in NY and suffered on 9/11 directly–that they are soft on terrorism and support Osama sink in a little.
-GSD
Maybe we could skewer the likeness of Hotlips Lieberman on “The Kiss Float” with a big old fork in his head so the deluded old embarrassment realizes he’s done. . . after housing the original safely in the Smithsonian of course!
Lieberman reminds of an old skit from SNL where an agent tries to tell a hasbeen actor that he’s past it. The actor doesn’t get it and the agent becomes increasingly explicit about the actor’s lack of talent. It ends with something like the agent telling the actor that the whole industry thinks he’s a worthless pile of sh*t. To which the oblivious actor responds, “But do they like me?”
day of atonement is soon upon us and Joe needs to be emailed incessantly and asked to atone for the sin of biting the hand of the party that backed him for his entire political career…JUST because he cannot accept defeat gracefully…
I am embarrassed for Joe Lieberman. even moreso then when he couldnt accept defeat gracefully during the 2004 democratic primary for president
Maybe we could skewer the likeness of Hotlips Lieberman on “The Kiss Float” with a big old fork in his head
OMG!!! You evil, vitriolic blogger, you!!!
[Clutches pearls, swoons]
We just need to show up at his events and throw toast. It’s just a jump to the left…
I emailed my senators to ask them to make him stop using the term Democrat, since it gives people the wrong idea about the good people that are members of the Democratic party. Probably a waste of time, but I am frustrated.
Concerning the Rasmussen poll in CT…
Remember, they use robo-dialer technology, so the results should always be taken for entertainment value only. Their Bush job ratings poll has always shown Bush 5-6 points higher that other polls (right now they have Bush job approval at 40% link)
PS – I sometimes check http://www.mysterypollster.com to see analysis of publicized polls.
GrandmaJ @ 141
What you’re seeing is the general electorate. Keep in mind that even with all the fuss, Lieberman still has higher name recognition. Not everybody is following this campaign. Also, I’m very sure there are a lot of Republicans in that 46%. Many of them will still ultimately vote republican. The diarist, Winston Smith, remarked that this looked like Lieberman’s ceiling (he can’t pick up any more republicans) and Lamont’s floor. Ned hasn’t started working to raise his profile among independents yet so not to worry. Unless Lamont commits a giant gaffe, this is a very good starting point.
In that picture, Joe looks like he’s trying to decide which to do–kiss Cheney on the cheek, or kiss him on the mouth.
Well I’m calling this latest burst of shameless cynicism the Politics of Impotent Lunacy, “not only because it’s coming from Prozac-popping Viagra-drips like Cheney, Lieberman, Mehlman, and Limbaugh, but also because everything that’s happening in the world right now — from the blood-drenched streets of Iraq and Lebanon, to the humiliating spectacle of shoeless shampoo-less water-less airport lines, to the kindergarten-level ramblings on all this by the parade of morons in the corporate media — dramatically underscores both the impotence and the lunacy of current US foreign policy.
“Islamist terrorism is real, but it must be addressed as a law-enforcement problem with cultural and psychological underpinnings, not cynically savored as a political-military opportunity. The former approach would seek to aggressively thwart psychopathic schemes while marginalizing extremists to the point of irrelevance by disempowering their appeals and creating powerful cultural and psychological counter-incentives. In contrast, the latter approach only glamorizes extremism by turning terrorists into rock stars and truncating any understanding of underlying societal factors, ensuring an ever-escalating spiral of violence. As I’ve said before, fighting terrorism with military force is like fighting a bacterial infection with a sledgehammer.”
Peace.
reminder: Glenn Greenwald is still holding down the fort at Salon.com War Room (for a few more days?). Several good posts there if you’re willing to sit through an ad.
Cheney’s tie is slightly more daring than Joe’s: it has a diagonal grid.
wow, cannot keep up this morning…
I like Lamont/Swan’s “Go-It-Alone-Joe” even better than I liked “Mulligan Joe” because it sounds just
so, hmmmm, how to put it—GOP. (But I still really love “Stinkyman(CFS-Green Room)”…)
To all of you who thought that Holy Joe would somehow see the light: Fuggeddaboudit.
As Attaturk pointed out a couple days ago (with the help of The Vulgar Pigboy [–retch–]), the Whiner has been a made man since the very beginning.
UptownChick–
It’s the press you want to influence here. It doesn’t matter what he calls himself as long as it isn’t printed. I’m working the Courant (I just wrote the readers rep again), but the other CT papers have been doing this too. Writing to them would be more productive, IMO.
Or you could try calling the Courant reporter who wrote today’s story. He doesn’t have an email address, but there is a number on the website for contacting reporters without email.
We just need to show up at his events and throw toast.
Perfect.
I like “Joey Two Times” (seen used in a comment above)
Per Countdown last night, they did a story in March 2006 detailing the explosive cocktails.
Nothing was done until yesterday. What the fuck?
If there is a problem with security, it lies with those Repug incompetent liars who are more interested in their power and egotistical
trips…
Jack
mayan @
67
Points well-made.
Joey Two Times is good, but “Joey Low Road,” coined after Joe distributed his racist attack brochure, seems particularly apt these last couple of days.
Captain Goto @ 165
I don’t think Joe’s gonna “see the light”. I just suspect that harrowing circumstances (i.e. internal poll numbers, political pressure, emotional drain, etc) will force him to drop out at some point in September. And even then, he still won’t see the light, he’ll continue to play victim.
Peace.
I dunno… “Little Joey Two Times” just has a derisive/dismissive ring to it.
In Need of Surveillance 152
gut feeling:
The imagination is always more powerful than paper mache.
MulliganJoe’s doing it to himself. No need for overkill.
Lamont’s a clean winner, hands down. The name-recognition hurdle is behind him. Let him win by doing his own thing. Campaign tactics should not detract from his incredibly positive image as the “natural”.
I vote THUMBS DOWN on the fork, and all similar ideas. Just MHO. What say you, co-pups?
jayackroyd @ 165
I do think that is a great idea, though I will not do it unless it is in a NY paper, because I am not a Conn. resident.
Lieberman is being handled gingerly by Dem leadership to hedge their bets and keep him caucusing with Dems if he wins the general, IMO. Wouldn’t a massive Netroot (Nedroot?)phone/letter/fax campaign to senate Dems, expressing outrage that Joe keeps committee chairmanships and other privileges, give Harry Reid and Co. cover to strip him of the benefits conferred by the party he is actively opposing? (Once Joe has been given a brief period of reflection to withdraw gracefully?)
Thanks to everyone who explained the Rasmussen polls. I have been very grumpy of late and while the Lamont win on Tuesday was truly wonderful, it was in fact only the skirmish in the battle and battle lines are being drawn.
OT – on a personal note, I am very worried about my son who in Feb. lost his wife in a car crash and my grandson was in the car and had a terrible head injury. FDL was there as we waited to hear first if he would survive, then survive the surgery to repair his crushed skull, and to wait as (for about 4 days) he gradually came to. He is doing O.K. But my son is struggling. Financially (lots of bills and lawsuits resulting from the crash – it was her fault) and his kids are emotionally hiding out staying busy. No one is talking much. Too much pain. Our family is trying to help my son personally, while he stays strong for his kids – absorbing their anger directed at him. Just a very tough time.
If there is an extra second on our ’sending good thoughts’ agenda, send some my sons way. His name is Don. Gosh, starting to weep again. Sorry, will go away for awhile. Need an attitude adjustment I think.
Adie @
174
I agree. No need for us to appear desperate. Lamont has become the front runner. His campaign should appear above the ugly fray that Lieberman’s trying to stir up.
Is it true that Liarman was one of the original signers for PNAC? If so, he is a neo con and a mole in the Democratic Party.
Grandma J- My best thoughts to you and your family. I’m very sorry for all your troubles.
“Joey Short Ride.”
Yeh, that still does it for me — especially since that’s now what he’s taken himself on, in no small part because he so wanted to force it on others.
And who among us would be surprised if fatuous he isn’t considering himself something of “a rape victim” now? If he ever slips up and says that aloud, remember where you heard it first.
Later, you taters.
I love this video. I love how shocked Joe is and how it takes a couple beats for him to get back on his sad, sad message. I love when his wife has to answer.
Abandoned
Lieberman the Labradoodle on TCR: http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gm…..oodle.html
ROTFLMMFAO
1,237 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
op99:
Yer right on…we gotta keep pushin the elected leadership ta grow some balls. The electorate has spoken in Connecticut and that statement reflects the mood nationally…the elected wimps jest need a little reminder with a sharp stick from constituents. It’s time that Harry Reid becomes a leader instead of an enabler.
lotus @ 128
DiFi up right now, in 2006, and coasting to re-election, FWIW.
Lieberman is being handled gingerly by Dem leadership to hedge their bets
And isn’t this the way the worthless wankers have been handling just about everything for far too long now?
Not arguing for desperation tactics w/re to HoJo by the way. Just a little tongue-in-cheek to keep what’s left of my mental health. Lamont is most definitely a class act.
GrandmaJ
Please don’t go away. Sending thoughts and prayers your way.
There have been lots of tears shed on keyboards here. Where better than with this group?
Are there support groups that your son and his family can connect with?
I know Lieberman had trouble with his website but I was surprised he decided to start a regular blog.
http://liebermania.blogspot.com/
The search results are kind of interesting with Connecticut for lieberman.
(and please excuse me if the link had been posted before – I have a difficult time keeping up with comments in this place!)
Lieberman, Bush, Cheney and Rove: deferment chicken hawks of a feather, flock together.
Katymine (I think): On travel, I leave this weekend for Nigeria via Heathrow, and am pretty nervous, not only to be w/out my lap top on the long flight, but also because baggage is forever getting lost (usually I bring my cameras, insecticide, research documents, extra pair of clothes on board). If my stuff doesn’t arrive with me, or if I can’t bring my cell on board, I am up shit creek.
Of perhaps more pertinent -broader- interest, in April I was traveling in China (domestic air) and they would not allow anyone to bring in liquid without their opening and sniffing it first. Seems as if they were onto this possible threat source before many others. Here security smartness would be great. OK sniff the liquids, but forbidding lip gloss!? I just wish that security would have real thought and logic to it.
GrandmaJ at 177 — I’m so sorry your family is still struggling through all of this. Wish I were there to make you a cup of tea and just listen and give you a shoulder to lean on for a bit. Hugs to you and yours — and let us know if there is anything we can do to ease your burden a bit.
Re: David Brooks,
I have often said that goofy as he is he prepares for his appearances on the NewsHour each week and has his talking points ready. In contrast, I always get the feeling that Shields just shows up and talks off the cuff. As a result, even the most gratuitous of Brooks’s nuttiness is seldom countered or even addressed.
CNN — New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson became the first prominent national Democrat to call on Sen. Joe Lieberman to drop his independent bid for re-election in Connecticut.
GrandmaJ, my thoughts are with you and your son, Don. Life can be hard. When my dad died years ago, I happened to be reading Virginia Woolf’s To The Lighthouse, and it was comforting. It didn’t fix anything, but I felt a little bit better.
NorskeFlamethrower @
103
yeah, Norske,
and even Nixon had the decency to go off in the wilderness for a while. Jomentum has already screwed up any possibility of having that option.
So when Senator Clinton says something a lot of us are thinking (Cheney is a “destructive” force), it’s her spouse talking. When she doesn’t say something a lot of us wish she would say, the blame is solely hers. I haven’t heard any other Democrat level the opposition with facts as Senator Clinton does. Playing nice with the dirty-player Republicans will not win elections as we have seen time and again. So, some will NEVER vote for her but will softly applaud when she speaks and calls a Cheney a Cheney. How do you spell hypocrisy-lite?
Hugh @ 192
It would be rude to challenge blatant partisan falsehoods,
lotus @ 167
Melba Rounds for Joe (plain)
*ilson, not to enable your habit or anything…
Have you grabbed liebermanforlieberman.com?
I’ll send $20 to FDL if you do…
Code Brown (stripe)
Homeland Security: Patch Windows Now.
The Department of Homeland Security took the unusual step earlier this week of urging Windows users to apply a patch to protect themselves from possible worm attacks. The move was the first time that the department had instructed computer users to apply a security patch.
At issue is Microsoft patch 06-040, which involves a flaw in the Server Service function of Windows. Affecting all versions of the operating system after Windows 2000, a buffer overrun could open up a remote code execution risk that could result in a system takeover.
http://www.betanews.com/articl…..1155312459
Sally @ 196
You’re being disingenuous. You must realize that although few people here would support Hil in a primary, almost every one of us would vote for her if she was the Democratic party nominee.
Bustednuckles @ 200
I’m more concernd about DHS hacking my computer than I am about terrorists or hackers doing it, frankly.
Could I have a flashback to the 70’s and the Rocky Horror Picture Show and wear my teddy while I throw toast?
“Lawrence O’Donnell: Joe Lieberman Will Drop Out”
From HuffPo via Yahoo
“Joe Lieberman will drop out. He probably knows right now that the day will come in late September when he will announce his withdrawal from the race. No one is going to have to talk him into it. By that time, the Democratic Party power structure will be doing its thing for Ned Lamont and Lieberman will be trailing by double digits. It won’t be a hard decision for Lieberman. He will drop out to avoid career-ending humiliation.”
re: you get what you pay for
But Rummy always told me cheap was better than fuctional.
sirota on franken in a minute…..
UptownNYChick @
182
Great vid. Hadassahs’s save at the end of the clip reminds me of that sad day at the Reagan Ranch (another Western White House Potemkin village) when Nancy replied for a stymied and stumped Preznit: “We’re doing everything we can.” And then Ronnie mimicked her perfectly.
Joe Lieberman is becoming Zell Miller, minus the yelling. Joe keeps his anger at a palatable volume and cadence.
Has anyone yet noted that Piggy can be elected by a minority (33.34%) of CT voters? Has anyone asked if he believes in majority rule?
Christy Hardin Smith @
191
we’re all here for you & yours, dear, let it out, it’s never OT in my view….
Joe has formed the Sore Loser party. The stenographers should love it.
Sally @
196
Standing up to the Neocons, Cheney in particular makes her a good Democrat and a good Senator. It’s doesn’t, imho make up for the fact that she is so far to the right on so many other issues, even further to the right than Bill was. It does not make her “Presidential.”
If I had to pick her, or McCain in a general election, it would be hard to figure out which one was more conservative. We’d need elaborate charts, graphs, and lots of math to figure it out. I would still hold my nose and vote for her in the general over a Repug. I would never, ever, ever, vote for her in the Primary.
Hope that clears up your “concern.”
drouse – *g* Did you see darkblacks contribution upthread?
http://static.flickr.com/48/15…..0982ec.jpg
How about a little Penguin Cafe Orchestra – Milk
theme music. *g*
Kurt says
August 11th, 2006 at 10:46 am*
Hence the Code Brown
stripe in their shortswarning.When they created that particular department, just the name gave me the heebee jeebee’s.
it sounds so….. 1930’s Germany, if you get my drift.
Eric @ 207
I’d rather have his rage than the contempt he and his people (read cheney/Bush)constantly show the citizens of this country.
UptownNYChick @ 206
Did you hear Juan Williams? bitter little man, isn’t he? Spending so much time in the FoxNews echo chamber makes you defensive and hostile to even the mildest challenge.
Well said op99.
GrandmaJ, very sorry about the aftermath of the tragedy.
I am not a lawyer, but it sounds as though your son is in a situation where quality legal advice is at an absolute premium. It would seem to me that his insurance company has more to lose than he does?
Filing for bankruptcy, even the threat of it, can be a very effective weapon in these situations.
GrandmJ,
Thinking of you and wishing the best.
Please do not leave the site. FDL community is here to wrap hugs around you, your son, and family.
As other commenters have said upthread, we are with you in your time of need.
John Casper @
193
Thank Governor Bill Richardson here, I did: http://www.governor.state.nm.us/contact.php
Jim @ 215
Yeah. He was hard to listen to. again, I go back to my mother telling me when I was young and Lee Atwater came out and said he had cancer. She told me that being mean, vindictive and angry eats you up inside. Williams is a very unhappy man.
Joe Lieberman is simply becoming the new Zell Miller without the Southern accent …
so Richardson is running for President, eh….?
;>)
Eureka Springs, AR @ 214
No, but I followed the link and yeah that’s pretty good. Here’s a thought brought on by the thought of the Rocky Horror Picture Show; Joe in the role of Meatloaf.
IMO, the more toast that’s thrown, the more harassment & humiliation directed at MulliganJoe, the more ammunition you’ll just be handing to opponent(s) of Ned’s, because it will feed right into charges that he’s allied to some loonyfringe left (no doubt spewed by the rovermachine).
WE know we’re not ‘rabid lambs’, but you’re gonna see a lot of charges before Nov. claiming Ned’s not experienced enough, he’s not up to the task, or he’s fringe-left. He needs to quash those charges, and he will.
So enjoy the hilarious images – in your head & at FDL! But pleeze DON’T mess with Ned’s campaign to flesh-out his image as a well-informed, serious, caring human being.
This is the U.S. Senate we’re talking about, & he must do that to win.
op99 at 176
All the above aside, I like your idea there, or some variation thereof ;->
I still think he drops out. But it doesn’t matter if he does; either way Joe Lieberman is good for the Democratic Party.
Why you ask? Well, first off, no one will see him as anything other than a repug candidate. The idea that he is actually an “independent” candidate doesn’t exist in anyone’s mind, even his. Second, he embodies repug desperation. If you look at his and repug rhetoric concerning his loss, it basically comes down to voters are too stupid to make up their own minds and are being conned or, even worse, are supporters of islamofascism.* Most people usually respond well to that type of argument. Third, their rhetoric will only get more desperate. At the risk (actually I am) of repeating myself, you can simply look at the rhetoric of the Coulter’s and O’Rielly’s of the world to know that to keep the political ponzi scheme going you need to continually raise the ante and demonize more people, and groups, let them know how idiotic they are, to keep the scheme going. That might work till the majority of people are “the enemy.” The same is true of Joe and the repugs – Mehlman’s redbaiting proves the point – as does the fact that some GOP group put a Hitler mustache on Howard Dean (although they did remove it). Joe is now the poster politician of repug desperation. That’s not a bad thing since he comes off as simply a shrill, poor loser who thinks the people of CT aren’t smart enough to choose their representatives themselves.**
As annoying and offensive as Joe and the repugs might be, their rhetoric works for us and against them, at least for a majority of Americans, which is all that matters at the end of the day. And the more they say, the more it works for us, cause sooner rather than later everyone is the enemy.***
________________________________________
* I don’t think the war is the only reason why the dems of CT rejected Joe. I think it is the totality of his support for most TEAM LOSER policies.
** I agree with Kie (citing Adie).
***I keep wanting to write a post about some sociologist’s theory (I think it was Weber, but I’m not sure) concerning the natural movement of political systems accross a fixed spectrum like a metronome, always coming back to the center b/c of overreaching by the party in power. But, it would be a long post, and I am, admittedly, lazy. But if I can figure out whose theory it actually is (this is going back 20 odd years to college, so I deserve some credit for remembering the theory exists), I might feel less lazy.
punaise @
105
‘jo mullet over?
GrandmaJ @ 177
i hear you Grandma. i’ll send the best i’ve got x 10. my older son went through a lot of strain and anguish with his wife having cancer for 7 years and dying in 2004. his son is still trying to deal with it.
Jim @ 222
I bet you’re right, also please recall that John Edwards was the first to set a DATE to campaign with and for NED in the general…. smart prexie candidates are showing up with NED!
Taking a short break – am at my Mom’s trying to make some headway on her impending move. She’s away for the weekend, so I am getting more done without her hovering over me…(sorry, Mom).
Know this will be EPU’d as Donita’s probably gettin’ ready for Friday afternoon spinnin’…
When I read that Rove referred to Joe as a friend, it made my skin crawl. How can Rove be anyone’s friend? Not that I’m suggesting people on opposite sides of the aisle have to be enemies – heck, I’m married to a Republican (26 yrs next week), but I just don’t see how any Democrat could set aside the nasty, evil, mean-spirited, manipulative tactics Rove has used on Democrats – or anyone who opposes the agenda or gets in the way of accruing more power – and be “friends.” When McCain kissed and made up with Bush in 2004, after having been savaged in SC in 2000, it told me everything I needed to know about McCain’s priorities – and none of them have anything to do with public service. It’s all about power and ego, but what a shriveled up soul he – and Lieberman – must have. Yeesh.
Joey Both-Ways may make it to Labor Day, but the pressure to get out is just going to get worse, not better. And I suspect he is making more than a few Dems who actually stood by him in the primary run mad as hell at now being dismissed as unimportant, and defamed and derided in the media as enablers of evil.
Have fun with Donita – hope to catch you all later, but now I’m going back to my fun task…
*ilson – someone’s reading the blogs. ;-)
I got very pissed last night, caught the tail end of some nonsense piece on ABC where they made a point of having some guy combining liquids for explosives like this was “unheard of” (Rice needs to get with him – he missed his point que, he was supposed to say, no one could have ever predicted that …) and they tacked on a gratuitous
spiel.
punaise @
105
‘jo mullet over?
Donita thread!
the toobz r gettin sloooo
EPU sez:
so much for that omniscient thing….
Donita’s spinning upstairs, gang.
I still think that Michael Chertoff is soon going to announce that airline passengers must travel naked.
Along the line of only 5% of containers entering US ports being examined, one of the biggest ongoing security threats to airplanes is that something like a 1/3 of their cargo holds are used for air freight with little or no security screening of it. The bottomline is economic. Airlines see it as a moneymaker and have so far successfully maintained that it would be expensive and hurt profits.
GrandmaJ — If you ever want to chat more about your family’s situation email me. I’ve wanted to reach out to you once before…. A suggestion you might want to consider for the future regarding your grandchildren: CampBraveHeart, a camp sponsored by Austin Hospice (Texas). I recommend the camp for any and all children who have lost a parent. See: http://www.hospiceaustin.org/s…..;b=1450815
Hugh @ 234
Some comedian suggested that in 2001 — either Lewis black or Bll maher.
This is getting embarassing!
Jumping ahead to this thread and the end to report that the 2nd question in Russ Feingold’s second Online Listening Session that just started is about Ned:
That’s our Russ, and our Ned!
GrandmaJ @ 177
I hear ya Grandma. My son with through all kinds of anguish. His wife had cancer for 7 years. She died two years ago. His son (age 13) is still trying to sort himself out. Sending good thoughts X 10.
Joe Mullet
GrandmaJ, Hang in there, time helps and friends too. You have many friends here pulling for you!
twolf1 @
240
hey! that actually makes him look better!
*ilson46201 @ 10
google bombing has begun
that’s what we’re supposed to do, right ???
Two things. Maybe better in two comments.
TSA had better back off on forbidding lipstick or there will be female rioting in the streets. I’ve gotten a lot of feedback and pushback today on the new regs, people are talking to me about it because they knew I was recently traveling through London, wanted to know if I was ok. (yes)
There may be many valid reasons for keeping larger amounts of liquid out of the plane cabin, Larry Johnson says anything under 8 oz isn’t going to hurt anyone. IS MY LIPSTICK A THREAT TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY?????????
Need to pronounce lip balm with a heavy L. It’s baLm, with an -L-, guys. Not a security issue.
It reminds me of the stupidity of bra bombs. The feedback is from Repub and Dem women alike. Apparently there is also some issue with bringing cameras, need more data.
If they can explain to the women of America why we have to throw out our lipstick at the security checkpoint, have at it. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Well, folks, how does this work? if Senator Clinton doesn’t get your vote in the primary, and many people(Democrats and Republicans) are working full-tilt to see that she doesn’t, she sure as heck ain’t gonna be around for your vote in the general election. But, if she does get the nomination, all these anti-Hillary words will come back to haunt us.
Christy WAY back at 62 (sorry, work took my attention for a while) -
I agree with the sentiment. In fact, the only way I would have kept any respect for him would have been if he had done just what you prescribe: resigned his seat, declared himself Independent and run as such. He didn’t do that, so I have no love for him (you have no idea how many times I have used the “dance with who brung you” line in the last three days as regards to ol’ Joe). If I were in his position, I would exit gracefully and throw my support to Lamont. But, if he chooses to stay in AND the voters return him to office with a majority, then democracy will have been served. My point at 57 was just to say that we shouldn’t be too upset in that scenario because the system will have done its job, no matter how distasteful the result or dishonorable the candidate.
All of that is purely academic, though. He should absolutely back out because of the danger he is creating. The colossal problem lurking in the corner (as I am sure we all fear) is the more likely scenario that he will simply split the party to the point that Schlesinger will take the lead. Is a plurality good enough to win in CT?
shez—I like his response to the question about Net Neutrality and “liberal bloggers” as well:
“People actually controlling their democracy is scary to the special interests, isn’t it? The blogosphere is a great tool for democracy and I wish it had been around when I started my political career.”
Go Russ!
Tweety often refers to the “Bush kiss” as similar to the gesture of a mafia mob boss. Along those lines, I read a blog comment yesterday referring to Lieberman as Joey 2Times. Lieberman is Bush’s Joey 2Times. I will always think of him that way. Repeat, Joey 2Times, Mwahahaha………,love it!
egregious–
Apparently the amount of explosive used in 1995 would fit into the palm of your hand. This does make a lipstick sized container a possible vehicle.
Whoever planned this thing had no notion of operational security. Way too many people knew way too much. They were british citizens, easily traced. Some of them apparently flew to Pakistan and wired back money. This is way too big and ham-handed an operation to have been successful. THe 9/11 attacks were scaled back for this reason, and I’ve read that most of the hijackers did not know what the plan was.
But there’s still the risk that there are some members of the group that were not caught. I don’t happen to think this notion of banning everything is going to be viable for long, but more thorough searching will take place, and there will be limits on carryons to permit such searching.
you know, lamont WINNING was such a relief and so ENJOYABLE i’ve let go of it. it was such a pleasure i can file it away and go back to it like a really fine wine that i want to last and won’t turn to vinegar or go moldy after a few days.
Joe, on the other hand, Joe, Joe, Joe can’t let himself grieve, and be sad. he’s in deep cognitive dissonance right now, and deep psychic dissonance. he can’t keep this up or he’ll go crazier’n a shithouse dog. when you’re in deep and public denial and you don’t have the insulated bubble to live in like Dubbya, when you don’t have a Karl and a Donald and a Dick and a Tony and a Camp David or a ranch in Crawford, you’re out there, and you have to keep up the song and dance. You don’t have any real friends and you’ve already fired everybody that might be afraid of you.
He could take a chapter out of the Nixon playbook and call the insanity off and go out into the wilderness for a year or two. Then he might recover, and realize that he has a life to live, only it’ll be a lot different than it has been these past 18 years. That’s really his only choice, unless he’s going to allow himself to be uselessly tormented by this charade he’s trying to improvise now.
Jim @
142
I would agree if I thought that there was someone else they could get to do that job who has his memory of history. We still need that, since we’re re-living the 60’s. I haven’t seen any substitutes for him that I like better.
I don’t think Shields was letting Lieberman off the hook, though, only remarking on their past history.
You know who would be great, though? Katrina van den Heuvel or Molly Ivins. Van den Heuvel already seems to have a sometimes-regular gig on This Week, where she manages to cast a spell on George Will. I don’t know if Ivins would do something like that, but she would be prepared. Sorry, but no men come to mind at the moment. I’ll have to think on it. (I guess most of them already have regular gigs, huh?)
Aside, notice how the NewsHour is never mentioned in any of the news/talking heads line-ups? Nor The McLaughlin Group, either. Too bad.
op99 @
201
There are those that say they wouldn’t even then, but they are political morons if they keep that pledge. I’m not a big fan of Hil’s but I can’t imagine voting for any Republican candidate. And I will vote, by God, I will vote.
wHATS WITH THE TIES???!!! DID THEY GET DRESSED TOGETHER!! YIKES!! SOMEONE GET THE NATIONAL INQUIRE INVOLVED.
Adie @
224
Yes, Yes, and Yes.
Sally @ 245
I think a woman who has already been accused of everything from murder to infidelity to unnatural acts to un-christian sexual orientation (NTTAWWT) can withstand a few slings and arrows of a political nature, don’t you?
Sally @ 245
I disagree, about the Republicans working to see that she doesn’t. They would lurv to campaign against the Hil. It might end up biting them in the butt, but, they think they have her number.
Grandma – -
Did you see the comment I left for you on WindCatPond yesterday?
fahrender @
256
remind me again about how her election is going down the tubes this year … the GOP must be kicking serious Hill-butt? right?
Jani @ 57
Don’t forget, Independents certainly will not vote for Joe – if for no other reason than his behavior post-election. He also shouldn’t count on appealing to any but the most rabid Republicans in the state. Many CT Repubs are of the Rockefeller variety – they’re not with the neocon program. And Ned is one of their kind. Plus – there are a lot of Republicans who are angry and disgusted by BushCo – if for no other reason than their incompetence.
No – old Joe is going to have a very, very rude awakening the next poll that’s done. His temper tantrum is not playing well in the nutmeg state.
“Aside, notice how the NewsHour is never mentioned in any of the news/talking heads line-ups? Nor The McLaughlin Group, either. Too bad.”
Because it doesn’t run on Sunday mornings?
I think its about time that Mehlman is forced out of the closet.
Fahrender (256), I (politely, of course) disagree. Disregarding the fact that Republicans (Bush, McCain, Graham) have acknowledged that Senator Clinton would be a formidable candidate, their fear is her husband would be a formidable campaign manager and one they do not want to see personally involved in the 2008 campaign.
. . . and your little dog, too @ 260
I love the McLaughlin Group, and watch it every week. It’s probably not in the talking head line-ups because it never has guests, only the usual 4 pundits. The pundits vary from week to week, but it’s usually McLaughlin (of course), Blankley, Buchanan, Clift, plus 1 more.
Sally @ 245
How, exactly? Democrats will vote Repug en masse because of the opinions of some bloggers? When even those same bloggers would hold their noses and vote Dem? I’m not buying what you’re seliin.
To state the obvious: it’s human nature to make mistakes. Hillary Clinton should just say something along the lines of ‘if I had known that Bush was lying about the WMD’s and other things in connection with getting us into Iraq, I would never have supported the Iraq mess in the first place. In hindsight, I made a mistake. And we need to pull out of Iraq, right now!’ Big deal. I will vote for the Senator if she’s “the one” in ‘08. But I won’t like it if she cannot start getting her act together and stop all the triangulation.
I think it’s interesting – all the Repubs running for office are running away from Bush, whilst Lieberman is running toward him. The more Lieberman runs to the right, repeating tired Republican anti-terror slogans, the more he will alienate his “moderate” base. In the primary, he staged a small comeback at the last minute by saying “I’m not Bush and the Iraq war isn’t the only issue.” Now, he’s saying “I stand with Cheney and fighting Iraq=battling terrorists.”
Stick a fork in him, he’s done.
Jani @ 246
Democracy was served when Lamont won the primary, fair and square. Joe is a spoiler and is destroying what political legacy he had.
Lierman has squandered any remaining respect and loyalty that may have caused some Dem voters to vote for him in the primary. The CT newspapers no longer endorse him, and he has betrayed those who supported and worked for him by savaging a large portion of the Dem party.
I have never seen an election where Independents registered as Dems to vote out an incumbent – but that happened this time.
I doubt sincerely whether the Rep candidate will ever take the lead. IMHO, Lamont will pull ahead significantly very quickly and Lierman will continue his dissent down.
dab at 57 -
I so hope you are right.
dab at 259 -
I so hope you are right.
Obviously I haven’t quite figured out the editing feature…
dab at 267 –
I again hope you right. A Republican win would be the worst possible scenario.
So, is a plurality enough or would there be a runoff if no one gets a majority?
GrandmaJ, I remember when you wrote to tell all at FDL about the accident. I have kept you, your son, and grandchild in my thoughts since then. May you find all the help you need from financial, medical, and grief consultants, and much love and support from friends, family, and community. I also hope you will keep posting here.
real late add to the comment section but then I don’t get to read this early. Anybody notice that Joe is standing in the danger zone — to the right of Squinty-eye, Dead-eye Shotgun Dick? One can only hope…
Eric 261
Is it gay-ness you’re referring to? (seriously, I don’t know; just heard occasional rumors)
If so, can’t we please all agree to leave that kind of issue alone?! Wallowing in charges & name-calling of that sort will only incite unwanted blow-back twd FDL and liberals in general.
I thot we progressives were an inclusive bunch, NOT exclusive; respect, tolerance, compassion and all that good stuff. Either you are or you’re not. You can’t have it both ways.
((((((GrandmaJ))))))
—-love—-
You are going to make it,
even if you don’t understand how.
[lesson painfully learned in russia]
I tend to side with those who think MulliganJoe’s gonna pack up his clubs & head off into the sunset before too too long.
He’s making an utter fool of himself wallowing in his personal little pityparty bubble. I see him self-destructing before my eyes, melting. Pitiful creature.
Goodgawdjoe. Take your little box of tissues, your pearls, and Just.Go.Away. NOW. It’s only getting worse. There’s no other way out.
Can’t Hedassah help him off the stage? Or is she in the same bubble. Egad! Textbook case of severe political-withdrawal-syndrome.
EPU at 225:
You are probably thinking of one of these:
Spegler
Toynbee
Pareto
Sorokin
Each of them proposed cyclic forms of social change.
Hope that helps.
Kurt (264), I’m not selling anything but perhaps you have decided I am and you will not be disabused of that. I will say if I had to hold my nose to vote for someone, I would not vote. Maybe that’s how we got Bush.
CTBob @74
You can reach me at hawkeyerc2@aol.com
My husband, who is part of our town DTC, is going to KILL me!
Lieberman’s idea of Bi-Partisan is very simple:
They are partisans and he buys them anything they want.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 30
Thanks for the info; who are the other 10?
LOOK! THE PHOTO, IT’S “SLIMY” MEETS “EVIL”!
Interesting post and comments Jane. But the people of Connecticut have not spoken yet. Only the Democrats have. I’ll be curious if everyone calling for Leibermans head and yelling “The people have spoken” will give a hoot if the “people” have the Senate seat back to Joe in November.