To: Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Rahm Emanuel
From: Grassroots Dems
Re: Who’s An Extremist? (Hint: It’s Not Us)
Date: August 10, 2006
Please see this polling data. Statistically, IndyGOP Joe and his Rovian friends are the unpopular extremists. The get-out-of-the-Iraq-quagmire position is popular. Please amplify this message. The majority of the electorate will be with you, if you let people know you are with them. The national security issue boogeyman is dead, dead, dead.
Please inform Mark Pryor and Ken Salazar. If you can’t stay on message and give vocal support to actual Democrats, then by all means, STFU.
Just to give you a summary, the GOP loses on the answers to the following questions, summing across multiple polls:
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?"
"Which political party — the Democrats or the Republicans — do you trust to do a better job handling the situation in Iraq?"
"If a candidate for Congress supports the Bush Administration’s policies in Iraq, would that make you more likely to support that candidate for Congress, more likely to oppose that candidate, or wouldn’t it make much difference in your vote?"
"All in all, considering the costs to the United States versus the benefits to the United States, do you think the war with Iraq was worth fighting, or not?"
"Do you think the number of U.S. military forces in Iraq should be increased, decreased, or kept about the same?"
"Would you describe Iraq as currently in a civil war, not in a civil war but close to one, or is the situation less severe than that?"
"Do you think the Bush Administration does or does not have a clear plan for handling the situation in Iraq?" "Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?""Do you favor or oppose the U.S. war with Iraq?"
"Do you think the U.S. should withdraw SOME troops from Iraq by the end of the year, or do you think the U.S. should keep the SAME NUMBER of troops in Iraq through the end of the year?" If "Withdraw": "Do you think the U.S. should withdraw ALL troops from Iraq by the end of the year, or do you think the U.S. should keep SOME troops in Iraq through the end of the year?"
"Which comes closer to your view about U.S. troops in Iraq? The U.S. should set a timetable for withdrawal by announcing that it will remove all of its troops from Iraq by a certain date. The U.S. should keep troops in Iraq as long as necessary without setting any timetable for withdrawal."
"Which comes closer to your view about the war in Iraq? You think the U.S. will DEFINITELY win the war in Iraq. You think the U.S. will PROBABLY win the war in Iraq. You think the U.S. CAN win the war in Iraq, but you don’t think it WILL win. OR, You do not think the U.S. CAN win the war in Iraq."
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?"
"Regardless of how you usually vote, do you think the Republican Party or the Democratic Party is more likely to make the right decisions about the war in Iraq?"
"Do you think the result of the war with Iraq was worth the loss of American life and other costs of attacking Iraq, or not?"
"Looking back, do you think the United States did the right thing in taking military action against Iraq, or should the U.S. have stayed out?"
"How would you say things are going for the U.S. in its efforts to bring stability and order to Iraq? Would you say things are going very well, somewhat well, somewhat badly, or very badly?"
"Which of these do you think is most likely? (1) Iraq will become a stable democracy in the next year or two. (2) Iraq will become a stable democracy, but it will take longer than a year or two. OR, (3) Iraq will probably never become a stable democracy."
"Who do you think is currently winning the war in Iraq: the United States, or the Iraqi resistance and insurgents, or neither side?"
"Do you think the United States should or should not set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq?"
"How do you think the war with Iraq is affecting the United States’ image in the world? Is the war making the U.S. image in the world better, making it worse, or is the war having no effect on the U.S. image in the world?"
"Do you think the war with Iraq has made U.S. diplomatic efforts in the rest of the Middle East easier, harder, or has it had no effect?"
"Do you think the U.S. presence in Iraq is leading to greater stability in the Middle East, less stability, or doesn’t it have any effect on the stability of the Middle East?"
"If the U.S. stays in Iraq for several more years, do you think that will eventually make the United States more safe from terrorism, less safe, or won’t it make any difference?"
There’s more data on the page I linked, but you get the idea. Please circulate this memo. These data are why Ned Lamont is popular, and these are not just Connecticut polls. Run a popular national message nationally and you will win big. Rove and his flying monkeys are bluffing you.
Hope that helps!
UPDATE: Since IndyGOP Joe is running his mouth like a race-baiting, Dem-slandering Republican, I think it’s safe to say he’s become a Bush Republican officially, whether he runs openly as such or not. "If it walks like a duck. . .," etc. He’s not Bush’s favorite Democrat: he’s Bush and Rove’s Bastard Republican Lovechild (thanks for that word, Rahm!).



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Ned Rootz
Jane! Christy! Pach! T-Rex! Kobe!
think progress has one of the msot frightening developments to date;
“In a momentous expansion of the government’s authority to regulate public disclosure of national security information,” a federal court has ruled that “even private citizens who do not hold security clearances can be prosecuted for unauthorized receipt and disclosure of classified information.” Under this interpretation, for example, the reporters who leaked the classified report on prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib “could apparently be prosecuted under the Espionage Act.” 3:35 pm
this has me sick to my stomach
That memo, and a 2 by 4, might get the message across, Pach.
Check out this lede paragraph from the repellent John Gibson from FAUX SNOOZE.
“The Khmer Rouge wing of the Democratic Party is making a bid for a complete takeover.”
(No I won’t link to the story)
Yep. The results of an election now mean that Democrats are planning on killing, starving and ethnically cleansing America.
Heckuva job Rupert.
-GSD
You are damn right, Joe Lieberman, Bush, Rove and Cheney they are the extremists
And will somebody please tell Marty Peretz to dump the beard, change his party affiliation, and come out already. The Log Cabin Republicans need you, dear.
Surprised that’s a shock to you “me to me” (at #5)
Pach!
roooootz !
http://www.LieberLoser.com — my latest trophy !
Nice one, *ilson!
Pach,
Thank you. Harry? Nancy? Can you hear us now??
GSD @ 7
Guess the MFr’s need to get out of the way of us wild eye’d crazy left wing maniacs, EH?
About 60% of the U.S now.
Lieberman and Expensing Employee Stock Options
Dean Baker reminds us of another reason why Joseph Lieberman was one of my least favorite Senators:
Joe Lieberman played an important role in laying the basis for the accounting scandals of the stock bubble era. Senator Lieberman’s role dates back to 1993. This was the year when he led the charge against the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) in its effort to require firms to treat stock options as an expense against profit.
READ THE REST HERE: http://angrybear.blogspot.com/
Is it in the best interests to only focus on Iraq? doesn’t this play into the talking point that Lamont’s victory is only a referendum on the war which in turn takes away his cred without looking into his other policies?
I’d like to see Lamont go out on a full court press indictment of lieberman, bringing up his back door approval of alito, rape gurney advice, ties to big pharma and musings on affirmative action.
it has never been illegal for the press to report wrong doing by the government
now it is
this is mind boggling
Somebody should be doing a No-mentum blog a la the “Harriet Myers” one.
“Dear Diary:
No one understands me. Even my BFF won’t call, although everybody is saying he did. CT sux. DC is where my real friends are.”
The ROOTZ Rule.
Step by step, voter by voter, district by district, we will ultimately prevail.
And we won’t need dirty tricks to do it.
Grrrr. (Been doing that all day)
Someone needs to go to Oz and get the Wizard to give these folks heart, brains and courage; they seem to be lacking in all three.
Well…are ‘we’ telling ‘Chuck’ and Rahm this or are we just hangin’ around the thread-o-sphere and masturbating?
Inquiring minds wanna know.
This could be YOU!
I guess the question now is whether Americans will change their views about the war when the media calls them fringe leftists.
This, by Jennifer Siegel, in today’s issue of “Forward”
“Following the narrow but bruising defeat of Senator Joseph Lieberman in Connecticut’s Democratic primary Tuesday, the former vice presidential candidate appears to be receiving limited support from fellow Jewish lawmakers in his bid to carry on as an independent. Jewish Republicans, meanwhile, are rushing to paint Lieberman’s defeat as a victory for anti-Israel forces in the Democratic Party.”
http://www.forward.com/articles/8244
Oh, Pach, this is great. It’s real, right? I mean, it’s real, you’ve actually sent this to the addressees, right?
Tweety was on his “fringe” rant yesterday with NED, saying that no one can call the majority of the American people fringe. Except of course, they can and they are calling us fringe. And NED as well!
I thought NED’s victory was supposed to be a great big wake-up call for Senate Dems. Don’t they realize we — the voters — can do this to ANY of them? Have our Democratic “leaders” just hit the fucking snooze button?
David Ehrenstein @ 21
Access denied message.
It IS a wake-up call for Senate Dems. But what you’ve got to remember is that the Pundiocracy is our enemy.
Ideologically there’s precious little difference between Osama Bin Ladin and Cokie Roberts.
I’m being perfectly serious.
When Republicans begin harping on national security, it’s important to point out how badly their anti-terrorist centerpieces are going: Iraq (civil war), Afghanistan (narco-state with resurgent Taleban), and DHS (hopeless bureaucratic mess). And where’s Osama again? It is equally important to point out as Pachacutec does that most Americans think Bush and Cheney have got it wrong and will continue to get it wrong. I mean how hard should it be to follow the majority when you agree with them?
TeddySanFran @
25
I have not sent it. They don’t know or care about me.
However, if any of you, in large numbers, want to send it. . .
Well, there you go.
TeddySanFran @ 25
I think they are in a deep huddle at this point trying to figure out what to do and since they are in their home districts on “vacation” they can’t see the terror in one another’s eyes.
e-mailed to our guy in Kerry’s office this morning and he asked for a phone number where I could be reached. But he hasn’t called yet. I guess they need to get their script together first.
Big question: did you actually send it to them, or just post it here?
’cause I get the feeling they don’t get out much. The traditional method for such messages is to nail it to their door, but even snail mailing it to them would be a good start. Faxing is also a good idea. It’s a little long for skywriting, but perhaps as a singing telegram?
My point, of course, being that they need to hear this message, but (unlike those of us here who have google on a hot key, a four level deep bookmark tree and–hold on a sec, let me count–yikes! I have 179 tabs open in 23 Firefox windows–ok, so I’m probably atypical, lets just say those of us who do “lots” of browsing) I don’t think they are likely to find it on there own. That whole tubes vs. trucks thing, you know? So we need to saturate them with this message if we want them to hear it, and we need to do so in a format they’re comfortable with. Such as paper, with ink on it.
–MarkusQ
pooch @ 16
We’re not talking about Lamont, we’re talking about the broader Democratic message. Iraq is a top concern with voters, frequently the top concern (much higher than immigration, even after the GOP did their darndest to manufacture outrage over it.) The GOP is going into overdrive to try to make the “weak on security” or “any questioning of the president’s disastrous policies is pro-terrorist” memes stick again. All the Democrats need to do is come out forcefully and point out to the majority of Americans already agree with us. Except for reactionaries like the Lieberman wing, they don’t have to change their positions at all, just be unashamed and vocal about what they already are.
You’re right that Lamont should be talking about lots of issues (which he has been doing.) But the Republicans are hard at work trying to neutralize what they know are their two most radioactive issues (Iraq and Bush), and it’s very important for all Democrats to hit back hard.
Pachacutec @ 29
Pach, the General sends all his letters for real, and nobody knows who he is, either … or they didn’t, when he started. Just sayin’. But there’s nothing wrong with a bunch of us sending this memo along with you, either.
Time for NED to make some demands from his fellow democrats.
JoMo has to be forced out of the party if he runs against a democrat. END OF STORY and then stripped of his seniority. Put an I next to his name until he decides to become an R officially.
He may have been a democrat, but he now acts like a traitor to the party.
Ned has to sit down with the Dems and read that poll to them and tell them to stop acting like whimps and represent the will of the people.
TeddySanFran @ 25
Yes, they apparently are going to rally behind Holy Joe and ignore Connecticut Dems’ choice
sad. but apparently true.
I am so sick and tired of hearing quotes about Ken Salazar or Chris Dodd saying they are disappointed with the primary results. What the hell is wrong with these idiots?!?!?!?
“Bin Ladin Determined to Strike U.S.” read the headline. And what did President Low Normal do about it.
NOTHING!!!!!
The Nefarious Leslie:
Ok, I hear you, and I’m not avoiding it. I’m just emphasizing, pace perceptions in the blogosphere, we national bloggers have zero clout as individuals. Nada. Zilch.
The only reason the insiders care at all, if they do, about what we say is because we amplify your grassroots priorities. You are the ones with the power to make this message resonate. Notce the “From” line on this memo. It’s ain’t from me.
Watching Chertoff on all terror-all the time CNN, he strikes me as even more bizarre looking than usual. His isn’t a comfortable face.
tommy yum @ 18
tommy! ANOTHER outlet for your boundless creativity, bro — jump on it and ride!
Karma. Posted this on the last thread just before the new thread note came up.
Keep moving forward on all flanks, pups!
*ilson -
How about http://www.CT4Joe’sheadonastick.com?
Nah? You’re right it should be .biz
apparently I’m in a mood today to bother people who are irritating me… just wrote MSNBC and asked to put somethin’ else on the teevee – that this all-terror-all-the-time business was gettin’ really BOR-ing!
RevDeb @ 19
BECAUSE (as RevDeb also told us)
WE ARE THE LEADERS WE’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR.
MarkusQ @ 31
Yes. Print this out, find our representatives’ fax numbers, and fax it to them, followed by a hard copy sent via snail mail. Every single Democrat in Congress should receive this, just like we did with Crashing the Gates.
Great post Pach!
Just watched the MSNBC interview. Lamont is very strong, he has matured as a candidate, and big props to his current media advisor. He looks serious, well-informed, caring, human. Everybody responds well to a person like this. His smile breaks through at times and is positively angelic. They are going to find it hard to demonize this wonderful man.
Need to get Ned on television OFTEN. He is his own best advertisement.
NED!!!!
That’s right #42. Tell them to do more stories on Suri Cruise. Does she really exist or is she a fig newton of Tom’s imagination?
*ilson -
Knowsthings at dKos told me to tell you that I just got republicansforjoe.blospot.com and someone else took gop4joe.blogspot.com.
If anyone wants to help with content, let me know.
#47 – there ya go, David! that’s the spirit! I’m tired of them trying to scare the cr*p outta me… drivel is a damn sight better than fear….
I’m waiting for Tweety to do a 360 on Ned in 5…4…3…2…
He’s no profile in courage, that one.
You might want to cc the MSM, too. Just sayin’.
More Ned: his experience as a small business owner is HUGE. A lot more voters are small business owners than large corporate folk. Unfortunately the corporate people have a lot of power. I have a toe in this world. They are definitely scared of his candidacy.
It will be interesting, albeit infuriating and frustrating, to see how long the Democrats continue to let the Republicans write their talking points.
It’s like they’ve outsourced their brains.
It’s become so ridiculous that I’m starting to wonder if the Democratic Party even exists anymore. Maybe we really do only have one party now, and the Dems are just a shadow opposition created by the Republicans.
It’s just that nobody told the Congressional Black Caucus, who I’m thinking is our only frickin’ hope.
He’s a successful small business owner, yet the MSM invariably describes him as “Millionaire Ned Lamont” as if he were Donald Trmp.
Pachacutec @ 37
Pach, posted my 44 before I saw your response. I hope it didn’t sound like I was jumping on you – not my intent at all. You are of course correct about our power to amplify the message – but we should also never underestimate the power of one person taking an action. That’s all I meant to say.
Lex – CM, theres is nothing MS about the M.
lotus,
you are making me blush :-)
in addition to the sun I got walking door to door. If introvert me can do it, anyone can. (just don’t ask me to phone bank again, that really makes me want to crawl into my introvert hole.)
republicansforjoelieberman .net and .org are still available.
We have been writing about DINOs for months now. To them, Lamont is still an outsider. He’s not yet a cardcarrying member of their exclusive club like Joe. Also they worry that he may turn out like that atrocious parvenu Feingold. How he ever became a member they will never know. If it had been left up to them he wouldn’t have and much the same could be said for Lamont. Well, just because Ned Lamont passed his first hurdle and embarrassed a seating DINO doesn’t mean the rest of them are going to go all mammalian or anything. DINOs being DINOs most will pay lip service because that’s what DINOs do but don’t expect much else. They still think (and hope) this whole mammal thing won’t last and much prefer their own kind.
BustedKnuckles @ 26: The image is visible if you paste the link directly in the address bar. The “referer” from FDL is raising the “access denied.”
It is a very graphic picture of the horror of war.
On the subject, the lapdogs have lost the weak-on-terror narrative as the polls show, so at what point is it just happy absurdism for them to continue to beat that dead horse while we keep building the 50-state strategy and wipe the floor with their laughable asses in November?
Doesn’t Joe and his extremist crew just look more and more stupid when they say the Lamont bogeymen will get us all killed? Joe, no one feels safe under your cape!
Do you suppose Karl and Joe had words over the hack? Something like…
JL: “I’ll need a new website with lots of pictures and video — like the bloggers!”
KR: “We own your site..remember? And BTW Ix-Nay on the Ovian-Ray, OK?”
JL: “But Karl!”
KR: “No buts Joe — we own your butt now that you are no longer Bush’s Favorite Democrat!”
JL: “Boo-Hoo no more BFD bedtime stories!”
We’ve really gotta get Nomentum out of the race so we can concentrate our efforts on all of the other great races around the country.
Please tell your dem office holders that Joe’s gotta go. After all, they don’t want all of the netroots money siphoned off by Ned, do they?
lisa:
The attacks on Maxine Waters are sickening. One of the few bright lights who puts herself on the line, over and over again, and who comes to her defense? Just us. The spineless Dem “leaders” (HAH) should be totally ashamed of themselves for this alone.
She was so filled with pure joy while campaigning for Ned, you could see the glow in her face. MAXINE, YOU ARE A HERO.
redshift@32
Leahy is THE BEST! Ok, there’s Feingold, Murtha a few others too, but still …
I am really speechless: the reaction of the administration and the GOP to the victory of Lamont is really unbelievable. Cheney, Snow and Liberman can go on the national TV and without even flinching or breaking a sweat they can calmly brand the opposition and the whole Democratic party as terrorists and nation traitors. The Democratic party rightful primary election becomes the occasion to put together Osama Bin Laden and Ned Lamont and all of this without hesitation or remorse: please can someone explain me, a foreigner, an Italian how that can happen without the public opinion chewing those **sholes alve? The press in Italy is far from perfect but it would be impossible for someone to use such ludicrous talking points, such ridiculous positions and put them out without having scores of people responding and demanding a clear and open rebuttal of that … *****it .
I must tell you that following the evolution of the political discourse in the USA is becoming day by day scarier and scarier. To someone as me that has read about the evolution of fascism in Italy during my times as an high school student and that has seen the scars left on society by the war and the dominance of such extreme and violent party and ideology, it is really mind blowing to nearly trace step by step the in the USA today the same developments that happened in Italy in the 1910-1920: the undermining of the opposition, the branding of the other side of the political aisle as traitor and unpatriotic, the use of “scary” enemies to justify the increasing of the power of the central government , the total control of the media and of the press.
It scare the hell out of me to imagine what lies down this road : I really hope that your society is going to be strong enough not to do what scores of dumb Italians did and let such scum takeover your country and the whole world with it .
Please reassure me …. Pretty please ?
P.s. Is it just me or the site is a bit erratic today ?
Via AmericaBlog:
Leslie: No worries. I just resist the “blogstar” narrative, though I always appreciate compliments, even any insincere ones! ;)
On another note, I’m aware of the front page font funkiness at the moment, and we’re looking into it. Thanks RGB!
OldCoastie @ 42
Earlier this morning they had that EXTREME RIGHT nut case, Michael Bozakethersnfsick, or whateverthefuck his name is extolling the virtues of water boarding with Pat Buchanan holding down the anchor desk.
A suggested mantra when referring to the GOP from now until election day.
Bush/Coulter Republicans.
Bush/Coulter Republicans.
Bush/Coulter Republicans.
Internalize/externalize.
Your Rove antidote for the day.
-GSD
is this one still available ?
http://www.amblowingkarlforseat.com
a little afternoon sneak blogging from the plantation . . .
much progressive love – and I’m missing a Pacha post ?!?!? – crapz!
Great catch punaise at 1:42
I’m aware of the front page font funkiness
with all due respect:
“play that fonty news (acckk!), white boy” :~)
@ Kimba1970.
Yes, the US has been very frightening the last few years. It’s a relief that finally things seem to be swinging back.
A good site to check out if you want to know more about America’s slide towards fascism is here: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
Pachacutec @ 68
So, I wasn’t having a stroke?
Excellent post, Pach (as usual).
There’s been a lot of handwringing about what Ned Lamont should/should not do right now wrt to Lieberman. I’m not worried about that, because I’m convinced Lamont and his people know what they’re doing. Total confidence. The Lieberman saga will play its way out, one way or another, and I’m not at all worried that Lamont can adjust to “joes in” or “joe’s out” and still win. I can’t see a scenario in which Joe wins. Lamont will win, and lots of us are ready to go back down to do our little bits if needed.
What Pach is doing is to focus on what the Dem leadership should be doing and how we might influence that. What seems to be happening is there is a huge effort by the WH/Rove/cheney cabel to label Lamont and what the Lamont victory means. Labelling happens pretty quickly, so it’s important that Democrats label Lamont now and wisely — My personal view is that Lamont and his people are smarter about how to do that than anyone.
I read Pach as trying to tell the Dems nationwide that Lamont’s self-labeling, the one that worked in Connecticut, has broad national appeal. Not everywhere, but most wheres.
So it’s important to amplify this positive labeling, because you now the might Wurlitzer is going to go all out to reverse the images that the public saw Tuesday night and on interviews like Hardball last night. The Repubs have realized that the image Lamont portrayed, when unfiltered, will obliterate them in the Fall, so they’re doing everything they can to repaint Lamont as something else. There message is: “Lamont is a terrorist.” and that’s what Joe is saying now. It is Rove’s line. The Dem Leadership needs to step up, not to help Lamont in Connecticut per se, but to protect the very positive image of what an anti-Bush Democrate needs to do and say. Ned has become, overnight, a national figure, and both sides know it. He’s leading the party, and everyone knows it. Amazing.
Wow, Jane.
kimba1970, fdl was very slooooow this am.
Coz @ 69 – our local newscasters are just hysterical with all this – seems like this is just an opportunity for every nutcase with an opinion to get on tv… (finally wrote the local station and told ‘em to dial it back a notch as they were scaring my dogs;-)
they are all talking too fast and not saying anything new
OT – that New Hampshire phone jamming case continues to come back to bite the GOP in their collective patootie.
Criminal? Yes. Incompetent? Yes. Criminally incompetent? That’s the GOP, all right.
Mary for now @
65
Good work by Leahy.
As you might have expected, Lieberman is already touting the Cheney-Snow line about Lamont. See the NYT article today with the headline Lieberman Seizes on Terror Arrests to Attack Rival. Who says only Republicans can use the terror issue to label Democrats as soft on terror, or maybe it is still only Republicans who do that?
Cujo359 – ya know yer getting old when you wonder if indigestion is a heart attack and front page funkiness may be mistaken for a stroke…
;~)
I think you missed this part of the poll:
“Do you think the Bush Administration does or does not have a clear plan for handling the situation in Iraq?” Half sample
Does 33 Does Not 64 Unsure 3
“Do you think the Democrats in Congress do or do not have a clear plan for handling the situation in Iraq?” Half sample
Do 27 Do Not 66 Unsure 6
Although you say that “the GOP loses on the answers” I don’t believe that is what the poll shows.
Of course it would depend on with whom you believe the GOP is competing.
Joe is irrelevant — save to the scum-sucking pundiotocracy.
All Ned needs to do is continue to be is charmingprofessional self.
He’s an old-fashioned Democrat. But in today’s climate they paint such individuals as flaming radicals.
Yes it’s just like Italian Fascism.
Except the clothes and the cars aren’t as good.
I’ll take a Bugatti over an SUV any day.
sorry, but to “edit this comment,” what do I do?
scarecrow – click “save” (where the submit comment button usually is) when you are done with your edit
kimba1970 @ 66:
My take on Cheney, Snow et. al. throwing out their scary comments about Lamont is nothing more than a sign that they are genuinely terrified of the sea change that is underway in American politics. Their shrill warnings expose more of their fears than carry any actual credibility. Look at Cheney’s poll numbers — no one really believes anything he says.
I think it’s great that these caricatures are throwing out their fire-and-brimstone from the GOP pulpit. It just shows who are the weak and fearful ones.
mary at 65: bingo. That’s the right label. The Republicans have made us more vulnerable.
*ilson46201 @
11
*ilson – Good work as always! Haven’t a clue how you do it or how much out of pocket dough you so generously spend…and please allow this old newspaper brat to help defray your costs…it would be such a personal honor and much needed uplift if you’ll kindly agree. Anne
email: afholliday at sbcglobal dot net.
I don’t know about Pach’s, but Jane Harman got Marcy Winograd’s Memo – Pressing for release of unclassified intel. committee report on Cunningham
scarecrow @ 1:51 pm – If you have Javascript enabled, you should just be able to click on that link (”edit this comment”), change the comment however you want, then hit the button that corresponds to “Submit Comment” (I’ve only done it a couple of times, I don’t remember its label). At that point, your comment is changed.
In fact, if you don’t have Javascript enabled, I don’t think you’ll even see the “edit this comment” link in the first place.
So the RNC is doing what all formerly-successful organizations do when they run into trouble: crank out more of the same stuff that used to work, because that’s all they know. After all, the noise machine doesn’t care what kind of static it’s playing. But that doesn’t mean it’s working for them.
And the kind of GOP/Joe War Party response is the same kind of crap you’d see on any sports board after a big game. Everybody knows the final score, so the losing team’s fans have to try to disparage the result somehow: it doesn’t count, it doesn’t matter, we didn’t really care that much, we coulda, we woulda, we shoulda.
But if it really didn’t matter, they’d STFU and move on. And these guys haven’t.
At the end of the day, if the establishment Dems can’t seroiusly back Ned and challenge the war and all the other GOP/Joe crap, we’ve got deeper problems than Joey.
Old Coastie — Thanks, but I’m more challenged than usual. I don’t seem to have a “save” I’ve been hitting “Submit comments”, then hiting “edit this comment.” Then what?
kimba1970; I share your concerns and worry that it is going to be a long, hard, ugly time before we can wrestle the country back from the crooks in charge and the 1/2 (plus) of the populace that either supports them or doesn’t care…I’m glad you are here; We need all the help we can get!
Pachacutec @ 68
Hmmm. All my compliments are so dreadfully sincere – I’ll have to work on some really creative ones. ;)
al-Scooter @ 91
Sounds like the presidential election of 2000 doesn’t it?
Oh, hi, Kimba!
Easy part first: Yep, the site IS a little funky today (the server hamsters are sitdown-striking for better food, apparently).
As to the larger issue — no, I honestly don’t think Cheney-Bush & Co. can finally succeed here a la Mussolini there, no matter how hard they’re trying. Ned’s win scares them deaf-dumb-and-blind because it proves their ultimate helplessness after 6 years of what they’ve mistaken for gathering success.
They’re screeching their heads off only because that used to work and they can’t believe it doesn’t anymore. More and more Americans, however, are tuning them out.
I drive around with a “Worst. President. Ever.” bumpersticker, and all I get is smiles, nods, and waves. I’m also seeing lots more cars with anti-Bush messages on the streets and roads these days.
We can’t and won’t stop pressing, but the mountain is beginning to move. Stay with us and cheer us on (please!), but never doubt that you’re backing the winning team here, babe.
scarecrow 92 – after you click “edit this comment”, go back into the text box where you type your comment – make your changes – then look down on the lower left hand side (where the submit button usually is) and you will see “save” as a button… click that and it should repost your comment.
TeddySanFran @ 25
I just posted a diary at Kos here about a letter Doolittle sent out to his “supporters” that is loaded with loaded phrases. If anyone would like to give me some recommends, I’d appreciate it!
I think one of the solutions to the framing problem is to get rid of the damn :excuse my framing: insider consultants to counsel whimpy, fearful positions.
Part of the charm of Howard Dean was that he called bullshit often and with glee.
scarecrow, when I am editing, after I have commented the initial version, I don’t show a “SUBMIT” button. All I have across the bottom is
four buttons.
SAVE CANCEL SPELL CHECK PREVIEW
I agree with scarecrow that the Lamont people are very savvy.
The question is what it will take for Joe to see the light. Hopefully the first post primary polls that show him that his dem support has disappeared into the ether and all he can count on are a bunch of not very motivated repugs.
I’d just like to see him get out sooner rather than later so the CT Dems can move their energy and creativity over to the 3 house seats that are possible pick-ups.
Cujo — I’m sure that’s helpful, except I don’t know whether I have java or jabba the hut. When I hit the “edit this comment” nothing appears in the box for me to edit. So I know (a) my computer is missing something or (b) I’m missing something or (c) both!
Pach, in case it wasn’t obvious, I was refering to this song from the 70s:
Artist: Wild Cherry
Song: Play That Funky Music (White Boy)
Scarecrow-
You only have about 5 minutes to edit it. Then it’s too late.
scarecrow @ 100 – hmm… I dunno! there’s nothing in the box??!!?? guess you better just rely on “preview”…
does anybody have any idea when the first post-primary polls will come out?
It seems to me that only if the polls show Lieberman trailing will the Dems push strongly for him to drop out of the race
Our reply to any (reasonable) Republican or Independent friend who voted Chimp and Co:
NOT ONLY ARE THEY NUTS, THEY’RE INCOMPETENT NUTS.
The full-barreld response from the right to define Ned Lamont, successful businessman,darkhorse candidate and giant slayer is a true sign of the desperate measures that the Bush/Coulter Republican Party will undertake.
Chiming in after a senate primary was the VP, Tony Snow, Mehlman and Bush.
They are terrified. Their sandcastles are washing out to sea and fast.
But they are going to pull out all of the stops to define the Democrats and their successful and winning candidates.
John Gibson from FAUX SNOOZE has just stated that the “Pol Pot” wing of the Democrats is on the rise.
Then there is this photoshopped picture of Howard Dean that placed a “Hitler mustache” on him.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..164749/496
I don’t like to use miltary analogies, but this is going to be heckuva battle.
We must hit back over and over and over and define them again and again and again.
They will do the same for us. They now have the help of a new turncoat to promote their meme.
Too bad he is a three time loser.
-GSD
Mary for now @ 1:53 pm (#89) – This is a great example of how openness in government helps assure that mistakes are corrected. Reading that article, it sounds like safeguards in place at the time didn’t stop Cunningham from abusing the system. Folks from both parties insist the problems have been corrected, but under the circumstances, why would I believe them?
You can’t fix something when you don’t know what’s going on.
punaise @ 101
Oh, I know the song. I was just left in stunned, speechless disbeleif at the original post. ;)
RevDeb: IMHO, the window for Joe to exit gracefully is gone. It’s not gonna happen. We have to bury him in ignominy, humiliate him, gut him and feed him to the raccoons (metaphorically speaking).
Joe Gloor #95:
Sadly, yes. And so far, the establishment Dems also are giving us more of the same thing they gave us six years ago, and four years ago and two years ago.
Kinda makes me wonder about their definition of “success”. It doesn’t seem to encompass winning elections to regain majority status, but it might include being sufficiently well-paid to put on just enough of a show to maintain a veneer of relevance.
I really don’t understand why ANYTHING on the teevee (about politics) now leaves anyone “speechless” or even surprised. If you are that surprised, you don’t pay attention much.
And it will get worse before November.
MODS: Text is all wonky on the frontpage: FYI
I don’t see why you guys are all gloomy and doomy. Hey, all ya’ll…WE WON! The GOP propoganda and spin is DESPERATION! They are scared shitless! As well they should be.
And I don’t know why so many are surprised about Neocon Joe’s behavior. He’s been a neocon slime for years. HE KISSED FRICKEN BUSH IN PUBLIC FOR CHRISTSSAKE. He will stay in the race. He will be supported by the GOP. And he will STILL LOSE. Oh make no mistake, he is totally owned by the GOP and his corporate lobbyists now. We have to keep fighting for Ned, but with our help, Ned will prevail.
The “centrist” Dems are gonna either tacitly support Joe, or only support Ned in a lukewarm kind of way. Many will openly support Joe. You are all acting shocked! Hey, we didn’t get where this country is today by these people being paragons of virtue and common sense. These people are career politicians, and they are looking out for protecting their Incumbocrat asses. This is not surprising. It is unacceptable, however. They are going to try to defang the netroots specifically, and Progressivism more generally, because quite simply it is a threat to them. I go into more boring detail about the dynamics of this stuff at my blog, but that’s it in a nutshell.
OF COURSE the Dems are going to be useless. They’ve been useless since 1994, what rational person would expect a change now? We don’t need them though. WE DON’T NEED THEM. Here is what we do:
1. Continue to help Ned.
2. Vocally attack Joe, at every turn.
3. Vocally attack the GOP, at every turn.
4. Vocally push for withdrawal from Iraq.
5. Vocally push an effective antiterrorism agenda. This includes such things as scanning ships that enter our ports.
6. Vocally threaten any sitting Dem politician with obliteration, if they get in our way. We have a list of every person who has come out in open support of Joe. We let them know, in no uncertain terms, that they are now on our list to remove from office.
7. Vocally remind every sitting Dem politician, that if they do not actively work against Joe, they will be next on our list after the previous batch.
8. Place Progressive candidates in every single race where a sitting Dem politician is working us. Vocally threaten to split the party over this.
I’m sure there are plenty of other things we can do. But folks, drop the doom and gloom…we are the ones with the power, and we can apply it as we wish.
OldCoastie @ 78
Why is the TSA taking everyone’s “liquid” and pouring out right there in public if it is so damn dangerous? What an absurd load of nonsense.
cathy — I’m slow, but not that slow. Here’s the question: suppose I “submit comment.” My comment is posted, but I want to edit it. I hit “edit this comment.” Nothing appears in my comment box. If it did, I’d edit. But it doesn’t. Does it appear in yours?
The post has been cross-posted (after some edits) at http://www.giveemhellharry.com…..anfran/BhX
Your comments to Leader Harry Reid are welcome here.
scarecrow @ 100
If the “Quote This Comment” button works, I would think that the “edit this comment” button would work, also. Try it. BTW, are you using Internet
ExploderExplorer?Some thoughts, EPU’d below, that may be relevant here:
Jim H. said,
“You know, the blogosphere is great, getting the word out when the media is as unreliable as smoke signals, but we need to have a loudspeaker in this fight, and we don’t. Rove barks the orders, and the meek media — and some partisan media — asks, “How high?” We need a voice in the national debate, on every wavelength where they appear. The party needs to do it, for now: put forward our positive story, which is supported by the majority of the American people.”
Neuro said,
” Re: a Democratic war room spokesperson
Bill Clinton, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi could all do it in some cases, but they are busy people. I would say Howard Dean, if not for the scream; I’m not sure he’s fully recovered from the media mugging he received in 2004; I think he still gets mocked sometimes, and he, too, has other responsibilities.
Maybe the DNC needs to hire someone credible whose main job would be to counteract Republican rhetoric on a full time basis, partly in his/her own voice and partly by coordinating statements from people like Reid, Pelosi and Dean. The Republicans frame events on a daily basis; I’m not sure our response is adequate.”
Neuro added,
“The other side of the coin is that Democrats may in fact be doing a good job of framing events and responding to Republican spin, but that the lapdog media just refuses to cover it. Not sure how we can combat that effectively.”
Maybe the answer is just attack attack attack, relentlessly and with many voices, using data like Pach has posted above?
“
Pachacutec @ 108
Jeez Pach, you wouldn’t want to just contend with him on issues?
Pachacutec @ 108
CT Keith et al were pledging to do that on election night. As far as they were concerned, the gloves were coming off. I still wish we could transfer all of that energy to the other 3 congressional candidates rather than have to waste it on Joe.
One question: while everyone’s been focusing on Lamont kicking Lieberman’s ..behind… – what has Fitzgerald been doing?
Pach 108: blogstar, disco star….
I only tried to edit once and it also didn’t work but I thought that it may have been more than 5 minutes. But I do have internet explorer and Cujo makes it sound like that could be the problem.
Scarecrow; I have the same issue that you do. When I elect edit, the same empty text box appears with no apparent way to amend the post. Even within 5 seconds! The other tools work just fine.
Cujo, Old Coast, cathy — thanks for the suggestions. I’ll just add this to the many mysteries of life.
Kos today at his site:
“CT-Sen: Rasmussen has completed about half the interviews for his CT-Sen general election poll. The poll will be finished tonight, but so far, his numbers show the race statistically tied.”
Dru — we’re doomed! Why us? At least you don’t have to type wearing gloves.
Do any of you really believe that Loserman, Chimpy, Dicky, Rover or anyone else casting aspersions at Lamont, and all the people who voted for Lamont, and will vote for Lamont and for Dem’s who disagree with them, wins them any real points in CT or elsewhere? I don’t.
They have no credibility in asking anyone to trust or believe them about anything, let alone security.
Most people can think for themselves, which is why, despite how much we may despise the CM for their credulity and kid gloves and stenography with the Chimpministration, Loserman did LOSE, Chimpy’s and repugs polls are very low, and repugs are scared, in spite of the CM.
It is not that the CM doesn’t matter. It does, and I certainly don’t want the pressure on the CM on anything and everything to let up. It just doesn’t matter as much as we give them credit for in the formation of public opinion, or the formation of individual opinion and how one might vote.
Telling people they are morons and/or radicals isn’t really the way to win back voters or get them to trust you or you give you a second chance, and I don’t see what’s bad about repugs continuing to do that, and continuing to be given the means to do it.
Kimba, I typed out a nice longish answer to you but the tooobz ate it and I’m too mad at ‘em to try again.
As a consolation prize, however, I’ve found you something much better.
Settle in with something nice to drink, everyone. Navy Wife has just heard from Mary . . .
Mary for now @ 526
cathy @ 2:10 pm (#121) – But I do have internet explorer and Cujo makes it sound like that could be the problem.
Actually, I just detest many Microsoft products, including IE, on general principles. The reason I was asking is that I’m using Firefox, and it’s working just fine as long as I allow it to run FDL’s Javascript. It could be an IE-related problem, or it could be something to do with how scarecrow’s browser is set up.
Kimba1970: That is a very powerful piece. It should be spread all over the blogs. Those of us who have a background in history have been shuddering to watch this slow motion fall toward fascism.
OT.
George W. Bush of the Bush/Coulter Republican Party is now winking and nodding to the Turks to allow them to go into northern Iraq to deal with Kurdish rebels/terrorists.
Bush to Kurds: “Thanks for your help earlier when I needed you, now go screw. Are you Kurds stupid? Don’t you remember that my father screwed you and Shiites in 1991 during the first gulf war.”
How do you say “rat-fuck” in Kurdish?
http://news.xinhuanet.com/engl…..946484.htm
-GSD
Could be wrong, but I assume most voters in CT and would would hope else where want an opposition party taking into account all the poor planning, secrecy, re-distribution of wealth, and grabbing going on.
RevDeb @ 118
I was perfectly happy to let the hidden, off-the-record, unreportable diplomacy take its course to talk Joe off the ledge. He shut the door on all that very decisively and has now come out with his Rove attacks. So, he cast the die.
As for the other three, there is no safety for those three while Joe muddies the brand, which is why Rove is propping him up and feeding him crumbs. Joe is a mark, but a useful one for Rove. Fighting Joe is defending the downticket races.
David Ehrenstein @ 83
Here’s my vote for Isabella Rosselini over Britney Spears as well.
TeddySF 134 – Isabella, YES!
Aw, Scarecrow, we are only doomed in the nicest possible way, since the folks here are so kind and tolerant! Besides, if the Scarecrows in Kansas could type like you the crows would be scared to pieces!
EPU — I don’t think Lamont is in great danger in Connecticut, even though he won with Dems and not the entire electorate he’ll face in November. Lamont was successful against JL using his own label, and I think that will carry him in the larger electorate, as JL loses support and exposes his worst character traits — and makes it obvious that he’s a Republican tool in this election — exactly what he denied he was in the primary.
But the question is, how much will Cheney/Rove’s dishonest mislabeling of Lamont affect other races around the country? This is where an effective effort by the party leadership to embrace Lamont’s message and definitions could be very helpful, particularly in close races where the Cheney/Rove message still has some credibility and where being labeled as “soft on terror” needs to be countered strongly. Nationally, the Repubs have lost, but it’s not a national election. It’s local elections all over.
I think this is defining moment, and exactly the wrong time to think, we’ve won, the other side has no credibility, there’s no problem.
Re: racism. Lieberman’s pundits (the TNR article is an example) act like he’s all salt of the earth, the hero of the working man, that the working class and union types voted for him while Lamont got all the elites (can you really make up a majority of “the elites?” isn’t that an oxymoron?)
But then you have Lieberman’s proxies making this huge point that Lamont was endorsed (horrors!) by Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Maxine Walters. (Ann Coulter managed to show her love for Joe by making racist comments about Waters today… with friends like that, does Joe need enemies?) Now apparently those who make a big point of Lieberman getting so many blue-collar votes don’t notice that there are also African-American blue-collar voters. And that those votes count just as much. And that the unions were far, far from enthusiastic about Joe– remember the one that said he wanted to kick Joe’s ass?– and are going to support Lamont now.
If Joe Lieberman’s bi-partisanship, collegiality with the Repubs, and supposed affinity for the working class had any bearing in reality, we would have seen some increase in the minimum wage. He has no power, and his Repub friends have sold him out and his constituents too.
Cheney, Snow and Liberman can go on the national TV and without even flinching or breaking a sweat they can calmly brand the opposition and the whole Democratic party as terrorists and nation traitors.
The amazing bit is that this is one day after Lieberman said that the problem was partisanship! What an ass.
Bernie Kerik has been hauled onto FOx as a terrorism expert! hahaha
Isn’t he headed for jail yet?
Be interesting to see what happens to Chimpy McTerrorAlert’s JAR after this extravangza today. Rove clearly thinks it’ll go up. Dems, if they would LISTEN to Pach, could claim credit for it going down.
Because Americans aren’t going to fall for today’s Blair gift.
scarecrow, wrt buttons available, after I hit “edit,” see my #98 at 2:00.
Brian Williams is IN London already, to broadcast Nightly News from “the scene.” Wasn’t he just in NYC on The Daily Show?
Anna Magnani
GSD @ 130
Okay. So Lebanon and Kurdistan, the two places where democracy really is breaking out all over, get smacked to hell while the Bush Admin looks the other way . . .
FYI, when clicking the “Edit this Comment” link from within IE, I get a JavaScript error: “Object required”. The error does not happen with Firefox.
It’s likely a JavaScript code issue.
scarecrow @ 124
Use FireFox, mebbe…not IE.
I’ve had no problems with new toys.
Older Mac PB using Camino.
Big thanks Jamie.
george bush had the supremely arrogant audacity to make the following statement today:
via: rawstory.com:
Republican President Bush today opened a statement with the following:
“For too long, the culture of corruption has undercut development and good governance and bred criminality and mistrust around the world. High-level corruption by senior government officials, or kleptocracy, is a grave and corrosive abuse of power and represents the most invidious type of public corruption. It threatens our national interest and violates our values.”
this is not a joke. bush said this with a straight face. the president of the united states is a raving lunatic.
and another fine mess you’ve gotten us into, ollie. bush/cheney: the laurel and hardy of mass-murder for profit.
Ron — you got that right.
Dru — I seem to have no effect on crows, from Kansas or otherwise. Commenting here is my last hope.
“Bin Ladin Determined to Strike U.S” happned on whose watch?
And what did they do about it?
NOTHING!!!!!
So tell me again how we’re supposed to be safer with Rethuglicans in power.
Here’s my vote for Isabella Rosselini over Britney Spears as well.
Ack! Gack! Ptui!
I don’t even want to think about Isabella Rosselini over Britney Spears. I want to think about Isabella Rosselini over me.
dontcha know RGJoe’s pissed at his BFF Rover for not asking the Boss to get the Poodle to roll up this nine-plane deal on Sunday, or Monday? Scotland Yard’s been on it for two-three weeks, could’ve just as easily been “foiled” Sunday as Thursday….
See, RGJoe, they won’t even really help you when you most need it!
lotus @ 149
LOL
… and I know that this “foiled” terror plot would have helped RGJoe because this blonde lady on Neil Cavuto FOX News told me so!
To download Firefox:
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
Then load the Adblock and NoScript extensions (they’re usually in the “Most Popular” list). You won’t believe how much less troublesome websurfing will be. On the rare occasions when I have to use IE, I’m nearly overcome by the urge to scream.
Of course, I’m assuming the computer you’re using is yours. If it’s your company’s, you may want to check with your IT department first.
But the question is, how much will Cheney/Rove’s dishonest mislabeling of Lamont affect other races around the country? ….
It does go to all races whereever. But what is different about elsewhere from CT? If it didn’t effect Lamont and CT, why would elsewhere be different?
TEAM LOSER and Loserman had been playing the same tune about those against the war well before the Lamont campaign started, and certainly didn’t let up through the campaign, and it didn’t effect the outcome – or if it did it didn’t effect it in the way they thought it would.
Personally, I go for the latter. It is one thing to claim there are real threats to US security – there are – versus having people believe YOU know how to deal with those threats when everything you’ve done has turned to dust or shit through incompetency and graft.
Chimpy, Cheney, all the neocons, may THINK they are these great strategists with a winning plan and that that is how the public views them. The reality is obviously differently. I think many more people who watch and listen to Cheney et al think they are more bafoon than Churchill. They think they are dealing from a position of political strength – its in herent to them to never admit failure – for their policies, that doesn’t make that true, and it certainly doesn’t mean that most Americans believe it, or will be swayed by it, or, most importantly, vote for it.
What I think is pretty amazing is that anyone believes that a policy area in which the repugs have been abject failures is somehow a strength for them – regardless of the rhetoric they use or the cards they think they are holding.
‘ere, flower….
Boy, Independent Republicrat Joe Loserman-Leavermann sure got taken off the front page by the CODE BROWN Spring Water/Grecian Formula Alert, ‘eh?
‘anks, Teddy.
Cujo — I’m “at” work with a pc. So I’ll just let it go. I’ve a mac at home, and I have firefox. Thanks for the help, though.
David Ehrenstein @ 149
And according to the same document Bin Laden wanted to retaliate against the US missle strikes on his base in Afghanistan – in 1998!
That Clinton sure made us safer!
lotus @ 150
oh, lotus, thank you! I needed and enjoyed that laugh.
EPU 154:
It still baffles me that BushCo was able to run on 9/11 after it happened on their watch. Do you think the GOP would let Dems do that? I don’t.
Me too, LindaR. ‘ere!
lotus @ 128,
am so glad Mary’s laptop is working again… *s*
I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the poster using “Navy Wife” is as much a real Navy Wife as Ken Mehlman or I am …
Yezindeedy, weeder 163, it’s a wunnerful thang.
Joe Gloor @ 2:43 pm (#159) – And according to the same document Bin Laden wanted to retaliate against the US missle strikes on his base in Afghanistan – in 1998!
Yes, but he wasn’t able to strike us, now was he? It wasn’t until Bush took over and decided to ignore all the warnings that OBL got his chance.
Cujo359 @ 167
After 3 years of planning while Clinton slept (around).
lotus @ 150
707!!
Teddy – Don’t take this personally, but everyone (i.e. dems or anyone else) gets to create their own narrative and run with it. The repugs don’t prevent dems from doing anything, only dems do. The only issue is whether you have the strength and stamina to keep pushing your narrative.
Why play by someone else’s rules?
El Jay begins to lose it over the (lack of) homeland security:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..bush_.html
Can’t say that I blame him.
EPU, you said:
I agree, but we’re missing each other. We agree that Ned’s message can work in most parts of the country, but Ned is making his argument in Connecticut, and the question is, what are other Dems in other parts of the company saying in their local races? If it’s Ned’s message/label, we agree we’re mostly fine in most places; but some local Dems may be frightened about the Rove label and not figure out how they need to be Neds. I think that’s one of the points Pach is suggesting.
*iilson – I didn’t know you were a navy wife.
Hey NefLes! Thanks for the diary love at Kos. I don’t post there much, but I’m starting to get used to it. It’s for a good cause!
Joe Gloor @ 2:47 pm (#167) – Three years of planning? Are you kidding me? They were in the country for a little over a year. The warnings that happened occured on Bush’s watch, not Clinton’s. He ignored them. Clinton didn’t, which is why other plots were foiled prior to his leaving office.
punaise, really appreciate the link to Anna Magnani. Never knew anything about her and the wikipedia piece sizzles.
I was a little surprised you linked to Anna and not to Isabella’s Mom. Am I missing more than usual?
Evil Parallel Universe @ 170
EPU — hope this doesn’t sound smarmy, but I often think you are very wise.
ccmask @
15
Here is a great Frontline that inclues lieberman’s role
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…..tion/view/
LindaR @ 172
You’re welcome! Charlie is indeed a good cause. The Big Orange is a bit intimidating at first, but there are lots of good people there.
LindaR – I am very wise, so it can’t be smarmy ;-)
Cujo359 @ 175
Really? Which plots were those? The plot to bomb the world trade towers with a truck bomb or the plot to blow a hole in the side of the USS Cole?
CNN is reporting that Bush knew about this UK plot since Sunday.
Any doubt that’s what Rove’s little shoutout to RGJoe was about.
What a bunch of f’n scum. They hold the news (And the arrests!) for three days to get in front of it from a propaganda perspective.
The most contemptible fuckers ever.
A propos of nothing, but I suspect Lieberman drops out of the race by the end of the month.
He’s in denial at the moment, and the five stages of loss are difficult, but he’ll get there.
If I’m wrong, I’ll eat my words, but I’m usually pretty fey when it comes to things like this.
Lieberman is toxic at this point.
comment edited.
John Casper @ 175
No, I just remebered her from a neorealist film, can’t recall which one. something to do with rice fields in N. Italy.
punaise @
152
Since we are talking about Italian Actress may I suggest to have a look at Giovanna MezzoGiorno ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanna_Mezzogiorno
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0583856/
ccmask @
15
I think they forgot that they are saying this to the same people they are going to ask for votes soon.
*ilson @ 165 – that way my general impression also… somehow I imagined great big thick fingers typing that all out…
gee, it would be “last year in marienbad” would it?
Joe Gloor @ 2:56 pm (#180) – The plot to blow up the WTC with a truck bomb happened in 1993, so was not part of OBL’s revenge. The Cole attack happened in a foreign country, in which we had little in the way of real support from either its people or its leaders. Bush’s screwup was monumental in proportion – he had the warnings and he ignored them.
Chris Dodd is disappointed because he and Joe are very, very good friends. He is emphatically backing Lamont, and should be supported for doing so.
tommy yum #18: http://liebermania.blogspot.com/
What a fine suggestion, Kimba — mille grazie, in fact!
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/gr…..zzogiorno, Giovanna
lotus @ 192
va bene cosi
punaise @ 185
The Neo realistic film you are referring to is “Riso Amaro” I think, but the actress was Silvana Mangano :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvana_Mangano
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0542146/
Don’t get me wrong Anna Magnani was one of the greatest Actress ever to be seen here in Italy..
kimba1970 @ 194
I stand corrected – thanks!
TeddySanFran @ 161
“All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.”
That one quote, from Bush to a CIA briefer drawing his attention to the al Qaeda memo of August 6, 2001, says it all. Bush deserves no credibility on national security whatsoever, he is a miserable failure.
Webb weighs in, too, with a take on why today means, even more so, that we should GET OUT OF IRAQ!
Kos Diary on Webb release
Lamont, Feingold, Webb, Leahy – we could end up with a mix of old and new, tried and true, solid leadership voices.
No wonder they are so scared they drafted “Cheney’s voice” into service.
Silvana Mangano was wonderful. I didn’t realize she had died so long ago.
“This fight cannot be won by simple intimidation.”
Don’t think I’ve seen this mentioned wrt our hightened state of alert:
Bush and Blair. Two koo-koo birds of a feather. Are there any leaders of the free world who aren’t on vacation while the M.E. burns?
I do love Wisconsin:
http://www.onewisconsinnow.org/
WOOT WOOT!
Ciro’s Going to be Back on a Ballot
Ifthethunderdont… – I don’t think we are posting past one another. My point was to the attempt by TEAM LOSER to somehow spin Lamont’s victory as an asset for themselves, when I believe their failures speak for themselves to the majority of voters.
If a candidate is cowed by their rhetoric, the person shouldn’t be a candidate and/or doesn’t deserve the vote.
“In case of doubt, attack.”
GENERAL GEORGE S. PATTON, JR. QUOTE
Well, BigTime’s statement was phoned in from Jackson, WY., wasn’t it? So, yeah, JWR, they are ALL on vacation; makes me wonder where they’ve got their little buddy Putin stashed.
According to a report on NPR, Chertoff has said that UK had notified US of this plot two weeks ago.
weeder @ 203 – that’s too funny! what… the terrorists were going to blow up the park with tiny bottles of Prell and Scope?
apparently, “Rubber Stamp Republicans” is just code for an attack!
OK, Independent Republicrat Joe Leavermann just said that the now-foiled UK hair gel airplane bombers PROVE that Lamont’s call for ending US occupation of Iraq will be a victory for hair gel bombers everywhere. NY Times:
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Joe, STFU.
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Mary @199:
Thanks for the Webb link!
Mary for now @ 203
WHOA!!!!!
We get a Redux????
Edwards for Lamont
Senator Edwards will campaign for Lamont on August 17.
-Atrios 5:02 PM
“In case of doubt, attack.”
General Patton
Old Coastie,
My favorite sentence:
Oh yeah, those Goopers have so much cred these days that
Bush lifts Democratic talking point
and
Bush would lose to Kerry OR Gore today
Thanks Teddy, I needed a good giggle just about now. ;-)
EPU @ 205, my only point is that I think we should bring up this quote at every opportunity.
9/11 happened on shrub’s watch, no one else’s.
Where is the cup of Joe STFU when we need it!
BTW: Instead of “Independent Republicrat” why not stick him with the STOOPIT name he gave himself: Connecticut for Lieberman Joe Lieberman . . .
Moderator,
I have 2 stuck somewhere.
Please plunge vigorously.
Kinetic Cut ‘n Run Former Democrat Joe Lieberman
Cozumel – the S.Ct ruling on TX redistricting has opened a window in a reworked district.
*G*
I’m ready for some good, old fashioned, put up or shut up and don’t tell me to be civil when you lie like lying liar and hurt my country – politics.
BobbyG @ 209
707. hairgel bombers, did you see watertiger’s?
(scroll down three photos) http://derenegade.blogspot.com/
What Marion Steinfels was to Lieberman, MARY MATALIN, still is to DeadEye. Here’s what
DeadEye just scripted for hershe just said on Pox news about Joe’s loss: “No, it’s not a warning shot, it’s good news. It does reinforce our obligation to continue to be a strong pro-defense party because clearly the opposition party, the Democrats, have been taken over by the resurrection of the peace-knicks, and at a more tactical level it’s very helpful for the retention of the three Republican seats that were targeted in Connecticut, Lieberman’s run as an independent. So it just shows what we’re running to, towards the fall.”DeadEye is responding to all the Congressional Republicans who are screaming at him to
look at the fuck’nplease read the poll numbers that Pach posted.OT
Hi, my first post so be gentle.
I didn’t have time to read all the posts here so sorry if this has been covered, but I just found this on HuffPo.
Lieberman Shocker: “If Defeated in November, I Will Refuse to Vacate Seat”
WYOMING – Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman stunned Washington today by announcing that if he loses the general election in November, he will refuse to vacate his seat in the Senate.
“I owe it to the nation,” the Senator told reporters while quail hunting with Dick Cheney and a heavily bandaged Karl Rove. “If a gaggle of voters in a small, mostly wooded state think they can polarize our entire political system, they don’t know this Joe.”
snip
LInk:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gabriel-rotello/lieberman-shocker-if-de_b_26974.html
Ohmygawd….that’s all I can say!
Mod please delete this, I just realized it’s a joke. Should have taken the time to read the whole thing. dah I sure feel stupid.
weeder @ 213
…stated as if there is a problem with the parks’ toilets or something… oh man! I’m giggling now!
Joe Lieberman refuses to vacate senate seat if he’s beaten in the general election.
Somebody please tell me this is satire.
OfT – for all of the David Brooks fans in attendance this evening, from Driftglass:
You know the joke (driftglass tm):
So Dick Cheney is found, naked, on the White House lawn tossing burning kittens at homeless veterans and hitting babies with a ball-peen hammer.
What are the first three words out of David Brooks’ mouth?
“But the Democrats”
Good Drifty.
http://driftglass.blogspot.com/
http://oneamericacommittee.com/about/contact/form/
I just left this message at John Edwards’ website:
John,
Thank you very much for supporting Ned Lamont.
I understand that you will be in Connecticut to campaign with Ned on August 17.
Your efforts on behalf of the Democratic party in Connecticut are deeply appreciated and will be remembered for years to come. You have the Democratic party proud today.
Thank you again, sir.
welcome, joysness!
that has to be Onionesque satire
LindyH @ 225
It’s satire. Unfortunately, he’s a bit delusional at the moment, so the reality of the situation makes everyone feel a wee bit uncomfortable.
Bustednuckles @ 216
Dangit, Busted, I nilly ru’nt my keyboard!
hi joysness, welcome! thanks for the link, next time i’d love to hear what you think
BobbyG 209 & LindaR 217,
Stinkyman(I-Green Room)
is my fave
WHOA!
Judges Consolidate Wiretap Lawsuits —– WITH JUDGE WALKER
OK – the 9th Cir is not where I would have wanted to see the cases go in my heart (it has some bad state secrets cases) but so far Judge Walker, even in a tough circuit, has been the best game in town.
SO a minor league – WOOOT!
And I have to say – I still think the Keith case needs a second airing as being a State Secrets case – which would make it the only S.Ct. authority for Illegal Govt Behavior meets Claim of State Secret Privilege.
And if the precedent is the Keith case — it won’t be pretty for the liars who want to call lies secrets.
JWR @ 202
prostratedragon @ 207
So all their speechifying about Dems being week on terror and conflating the war in Iraq with the war on terror was entirely calculated.
the opposition party, the Democrats, have been taken over by the resurrection of the peace-knicks
Pah. MaMa dudn’t even know how to spell peaceniks.
Just a figure of speech lotus.
I quoted Patton and it disappeared…twice.
Sooo. I’ll type it in instead of cutnpaste.
” In case of doubt, attack.”
Ifthethunder….. It did happen on his watch. The problem with that is that you get into “debates” with whether it was really Clinton, although now, thankfully, we seem to be back to Reagan to pin it on, cause Reagan was a big fucking islamofascist loving pussy.
I think the reaction to the attack, the policies that have been put forward, and the failures of all those policies, are, undeniably, indelibly, TEAM LOSERS’.
Which is why there is so much effort by repugs to claim that the reason those policies failed isn’t the wrongfulness of the policies themselves or the incompetence or corruptness of TEAM LOSER, but a lack of support and/or questioning by dems and others.
Not that most believe that or will be swayed by that nonsensical argument, but that is all they have to go with – trying to shift the blame for the failed response that they know they own completely and can’t blame Bill Clintonb for.
Ok, ok…I was so stunned by the lead that I missed the hunting with Cheney and heavily bandaged Rove part. (blush) It just seems like a natural extension of his prior rants.
prostratedragon @
207
and only TODAY they are taking away everybody’s Chapstick and extra tiny bottles of Prell??
Oh Good Grief!
Ahh, d r i f t y’s using his ball-peen hammer: all’s right with the world.
New thread, y’all . . . right here!
It is an interesting thing on the plot, isn’t it? Bush and Blair have been briefed on it and following it for some time– and both go on vacation. DId we get a predeliction for dilletante’s as national leaders from our British roots?
It is going to be interesting to see who the Brits pick to bomb. As yourlittledog points out – apparently that’s how you stop terrorist attacks; pick a country and bomb it.
Thats 3.
” IN CASE OF DOUBT….
ATTAAAAAAAAACK”.
Gen. Patton
ATT
The Democratic leaders on the Hill need to come out forcefully and not just support Ned Lamont, but denounce Joe Lieberman. Loudly.
Lieberman’s engaging in Republican rhetoric now. Connecticut is a Democratic state. There are still many Dems who support Lieberman out of inertia, but a unified, strong public dressing-down of him would shake most of these Dems from their delusions, and coalesce support for Lamont from Connecticut waverers.
Joe Lieberman’s reputation, such as it remains, needs to be permanently destroyed. He’s a REPUBLICAN. Republicans are UNPOPULAR. Especially in New England. There’s no downside to napalming Joe’s career now; he’s not a Democrat anymore, in any way.
Why is our leadership so godawful?
ACK!!!”
GEN Patton
ack
GEN Patton.
Whew!
. . . and your little dog, too @
237
That’d sure be my guess. Only respect for our hosts here has kept me from attaching a subject and predicate to the phrase “protection racket.”
OldCoastie @ 239
Exactly my reaction! Why institute security for the threat after the terrorists have been arrested? Why didn’t they increase security the minute they learned of the threat?
Not reassured.
Mary, I’m raising my glass to you, to your 231, and to Judges Walker and Keith — Salut!
I think I heard that NPR report. The explanation for the delay was that the Brits tend to wait until they have all their prell bottles in a row before busting down doors, whereas the U.S. tends to start with the busting down doors part.
I guess it’s a fashion thing.
They were watching this bunch of terror stooges for a long while, waiting for the best time to terrify the homeland sheep. It says a lot that Rove chose to roll em up right after Lieberman got purged. Last time the regime pulled an antiterror stunt, they jumped the gun and sent a lot of the little buggers scurrying into the woodwork to try again. With luck they haven’t done that this time, not that the GOP snakehandlers give a shit.
scarecrow @
160
Hi! EPU’d as usual (-:
I have had similar problems, and had kind FDL-ers help me. I discovered the new bells and whistles only work when using Firefox (I have a Mac, also). Couldn’t make them work on IE or Safari. (I might not have the latest edition of Safari, as someone suggested to me.) So, let us know how it all works when you get home to your Firefox!
Good Luck!!!
Kathie
My humble apologies to the moderator.
Next time I will refresh the page Before I throw a fit. *g*
OK so here I am still blushing from my stupidity.
I am a perfectionist and I do not like making mistakes.;)
What I think.. I’m a legal resident alien from Canada. Have lived in the US for almost 30 years. Still a Canadian citizen so can’t vote here or contribute $ to wonderful candidates like Ned Lamont.
He truly is a breath of fresh air on the
political scene. Love everything he indicates he stands for.
I am truly saddened that the top Dems have not spoken up and rejected Loserjoe but not all that surprised.
I think many of them have been at this too long.
The democratic message has gotten lost and they seem unwilling or unable to find it.
But, we have hope in candidates like Ned.
Got hooked on this site about a month ago but got truly addicted during the CT primary. Until the terror that is BushCo stole the gov’t never really paid too much attention to politics. Watch things pretty closely now though. If they steal another election I may just have to move back to Canada.
1,237 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Evil Parallel Universe:
I am so glad we got you on our side…readin’ the posts here taday I feel like I been at a wake fer Christ’s sake!!
Please help me convince our fellow FDLers that the Emperor has no cloths. We don’t hafta run and hide every time Rove and the Bushfascists report that the sky is fallin’ but only on Democrats.
Joe Lieberman is Lamont and the Democratic Party’s best resource as long as he’s out in the street screamin’ that the hippies knocked ‘im down and stole his Walkman. Joe Lieberman is over, done, kaput…he can only be resuscitated by DEMOCRATS takin’ him seriously. The longer he holds the national spotlight on himself, the bigger a buffoon he becomes and the more attention he draws to the pathetic failures of Bush and the Bushfascists.
Pretty soon, the only folks who can listen to Karl Rove or Mary Maitlan without laughing uncontrollably will be the breathless talkin’ heads and mental paraplegics on FOX News.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T SHOOT BEFORE YA KNOW WHERE THE ENEMY IS!!!
Thread Theorist @ 80
Maybe it’s time for an ad morphing HoJo into Dick Cheney. But the Swan team knows what they’re doing and knows what will work in Connecticut, so if we don’t see that ad, there’s a reason.
New thread on main page.
For newcomers, that means things here will be getting very sparse now, as comversation shiifts.
EPUd and OT here but I didn’t want to jump into Peterr’s post……..does anyone know what happened to the two soldiers missing after their helicopten went down in Iraq yesterday?
TIA,
Old Sow
I’m having a party tomorrow and live in New York. I’m going to get my friends (also constituents) to sign Pachacutec’s Memo to DC Dems and snail mail it to Clinton and Schumer. THIS MESSAGE MUST GET OUT!
Old Sow at 4:11 pm: Bad news: