
Dick Cheney called a press availability to give his BFF Joenertia a little oooom-pah after his loss in the CT Democratic primary. And I got my hot little hands on the transcript. Let's peek in, shall we?
TELEPHONIC INTERVIEW OF THE VICE PRESIDENT BY WIRE SERVICE REPORTERS
Jackson, Wyoming
1:33 P.M. MDTTHE VICE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. It's suggested I chat with you a bit just for a couple of minutes here about the Connecticut Democratic primary yesterday, and then I guess, we'll then be happy to respond to a couple of questions.
I was -- obviously, we're all interested in this year's election campaign. I know Joe Lieberman and have a good deal of respect for him given that we were opponents in the 2000 campaign; and of course, spent a fair amount of time watching the man and studying him over the years, especially in connection with our debate in 2000. And as I look at what happened yesterday, it strikes me that it's a perhaps unfortunate and significant development from the standpoint of the Democratic Party, that what it says about the direction the party appears to be heading in when they, in effect, purge a man like Joe Lieberman, who was just six years ago their nominee for Vice President, is of concern, especially over the issue of Joe's support with respect to national efforts in the global war on terror.
The thing that's partly disturbing about it is the fact that, the standpoint of our adversaries, if you will, in this conflict, and the al Qaeda types, they clearly are betting on the proposition that ultimately they can break the will of the American people in terms of our ability to stay in the fight and complete the task. And when we see the Democratic Party reject one of its own, a man they selected to be their vice presidential nominee just a few short years ago, it would seem to say a lot about the state the party is in today if that's becoming the dominant view of the Democratic Party, the basic, fundamental notion that somehow we can retreat behind our oceans and not be actively engaged in this conflict and be safe here at home, which clearly we know we won't -- we can't be. So we have to be actively engaged not only in Afghanistan and Iraq, but on a global basis if we're going to succeed in prevailing in this long-term conflict.
So it's an unfortunate development, I think, from the standpoint of the Democratic Party to see a man like Lieberman pushed aside because of his willingness to support an aggressive posture in terms of our national security strategy....
Q Yes. Mr. Vice President, thank you for joining us today. With Lieberman in Connecticut losing, Joe Schwarz in Michigan, Cynthia McKinney in Georgia, is there an anti-incumbent wave this year? If so, which party does it benefit?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, I guess, I'd be hard put to think of what the wave is, or what parallel you can find between Joe Lieberman, Joe Schwarz and Cynthia McKinney.
Q Well, they're all incumbents and they all lost.
THE VICE PRESIDENT: That may be. I don't see it as an anti-incumbent move. I think each one of those races was -- the Schwarz race, obviously, was a Republican race -- there's a history behind that in terms of how Joe got elected last time around and his opposition this time around. I didn't see it as having national ramifications, nor do I think the McKinney race does. I think the Lieberman case clearly does.
Q But not in terms of anti-incumbent sentiment --
THE VICE PRESIDENT: No....
Q Thank you, Mr. Vice President, for doing this. Based on what's happened now to Joe Lieberman, do you think that Iraq is going to be -- the election is going to be a referendum on the Iraq war?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: I can't say that. I think national security policy is likely to be generally important. I supposed it will depend a lot -- these off-year elections, obviously, turn a lot in terms of local issues, and issues that are identified with specific states and congressional districts. But clearly within the Democratic Party, it would appear to be that there are deep divisions. I think there's a significant body of opinion that wants to go back -- I guess the way I would describe it is sort of the pre-9/11 mind set, in terms of how we deal with the world we live in.
Q And do you see yourself on the campaign trail this fall making these same points? Are we hearing the beginnings of a strategy on how to deal with this situation?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, I think it is appropriate and should be that there be some discussion, obviously, of these issues this fall. I suppose different people will look at in different perspectives. I expect there will be a number of people out there who put national security issues first and foremost when they evaluate candidates. And I suppose I'm probably one of those. And I think we ought to address it, and I think there will be a fair amount of debate associated with that campaign this fall. I can't say that that's going to be necessarily true in every single district. I certainly plan to talk about it a lot. I expect the President will, too....
Oh yeah. Let's have that conversation on how well things are going in your war to manufacture even more terrorists, shall we? Can we also discuss your piss poor decision-making? Or how you lied your way into a war for which you did little to no planning? Or how, in the entire history of the Middle East, there is not one -- not ONE -- time that an occupying force was greeted with flowers and candy over the long haul? Or how we are now fighting Sadr's militia forces in the streets of Baghdad? Or the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan? Or...well, I could just keep going, couldn't I?
Shorter Dick Cheney:
How dare you think for yourself and vote against one of our rubber stamps? And now I'm going to spout the usual drivel about "soft on terror...blah blah blah...oooh, scary...blah blah blah...grouchy old man" and I'd like you to reprint it verbatim.
Here's what the Democratic party is against:
-- a government that lies its way into a war we didn't adequately plan for;
-- a President and his Administration who refuse to own up to their mistakes so that we can correct them;
-- a defense department that is still not adequately planning for this continued occupation so that we are needlessly wasting lives and material and running up an enormous deficit in the process;
-- a Department of Homeland Security that is doling out contracts to incompetent cronies who are gobbling down money with little or nothing to show for it.
And that's just off the top of my head. Katrina, anyone? Feeling safer? Me, neither.
And Joe Lieberman, who approved Michael Brown's appointment as the head of FEMA in 42 minutes when he was chairman of the committee responsible for oversight, and who has served as a Presidential rubber stamp for every miserable failed policy for the last five years, and lectured "we the people" to STFU whenever we tried to point out the flaws in the Presidential logic -- well, I don't care if Dick Cheney is his BFF. He was wrong, repeatedly, and the American public has the right to hold him accountable for it.
Just like we have the right to hold George Bush and Dick Cheney and all their failed policies to account. And if the current Rubber Stamp Republican Congress won't do the job -- we will find one that will. You think that doesn't scare the bejeebers oput of Dick, Cheney, George Bush, Ken Mehlman and Karl Rove?
Try this one on for size: The American public is no longer buying your lies with an unskeptical eye. We are on to you. And we will not just sit back and let you drive without some oversight any longer -- you can't read a map, and we are sick of you refusing to ask for directions from people who actually know what they are doing. Move over, the American public is taking the wheel.
If I were Joe Lieberman, the very last thing I would want is Dick Cheney shooting his mouth off about what great pals we are, given his 18% approval rating and sinking. Ooom-pah, indeed.
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A triple post Christy?
Or Wordpress went crazy. *g*
Anyways, ROOTS!
NED!
Hi Christy.
“ashes, ashes, we all fall down”
(is he wearing Lieber-hosen?)
CLOGGED TOOBZ!!
funny, he keeps blathering about joe being the vp nominee only 6 years ago.. not bringing up that at an 18% approval rating the american public would like cheney out of office asafp.. and he was vp for the last 6 years!
9/11 happened on their watch, as did Katrina. Our nation and the world are less safe for their War On Iraqis.
GOP = Incompetent War Party
Can’t do defense, can’t do offense, can’t do protect the Homeland.
Suddenly the “terrorists” are becoming active before November elections.
No idea what happened with the triple post. Sorry if someone’s comment got vaporized when I deleted the repeats. We’re having some sort of server issue that is slowing things down, gang — my apologies. We’re working on it…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
Christy was playing a shell game on us: Three-post Monte :~)
Dick Cheney, Concern Troll.
If 18% of the American public approves of Dick Cheney, what percent approve of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, etc?
“If I were Joe Lieberman, the very last thing I would want is Dick Cheney shooting his mouth off about what great pals we are, given his 18% approval rating and sinking.”
Bullseye, as per usual Christy.
Fantastic Christy. You are really on it.
And Cheney, umm, no, actually YOU’RE the one who has broken the will of the American people.
I say bring it on, Deadeye. The more you wingnuts attach yourself to Joe, the more it proves our point about the tired old triangulation BS fear-mongering stranglehold that we will no longer tolerate. Go ahead, do your best to save Joe. It only makes Ned Lamont look all the more humane and intelligent in comparison.
Do we need a fund drive for bigger FDL toobz?
“It’s suggested I chat with you… about the Connecticut Democratic primary”
Wow, Dick, nice use of the passive voice! You wouldn’t want to tell us *WHO* suggested you chat with people about the primary, or why, now, would you?
Here’s what Cheney didn’t have the *balls* to say: “Karl Rove thought this would be a great way for me to call Democrats a bunch of liberal pussies, I mean, ’soft on terror,’ and now you can ask me questions about that so I can elaborate on their weakness, as shown by spurning Joe Lieberman and his Bushophilic tendencies, which, as we all know, are the only legitimate way to measure the manhood, I mean, masculinity, I mean, potence, of a party and its leaders.”
Cheney: Lieberman Loss ‘Disturbing’ Because al Qaeda Is ‘Betting They Can Break The Will of The American People’
…umm why are they always so concerned with what al Qaeda thinks. Maybe they should worry more about crushing them than their feelings.
Peterr @ 10
I am very concerned about Cheney’s concerted concern and consternation.
Christy, You are SO coherent in your argument.
Bushco is quaking in their boots.
War to manufacture terrorists indeed.
If there has ever been a more blatantly partisan, dishonest, dissembling Vice President in American history I would be shocked.
Deadeye Dick Cheney makes Spiro Agnew look postitvely statesmanlike.
In the words of Jack Murtha, just because they say it doesn’t make it so.
Seriously, let them continue to wallow in a vat of their homemade Karl Rove spin-gravy. It hasn’t really helped them out too much in the last year. I hope they continue with the delusional thinking.
Keep up the good work Deadeye Dick.
Also, can you let your daughter know that I am not buying her book.
-GSD
There will come a day of reckoning!
I strongly support keeping Gitmo open as the only appropriate retirement home for Darth and his pet monkey.
Got plenty of orange jumpsuits ready and waiting the ‘cons. One size fits all!
Cheney’s gotta slap down any talk of “anti-incumbent feelings” in the media. Lots of Republican incumbents in the line of that buckshot . . .
Peterr @ 10
Bwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Maybe ol’ dead-eye should have finished off al Qaeda at Tora Bora before he and his neocon morons wandered into the sands of Iraq on a BS weapons charge?
He sounds like a damn concern troll. Like he would give a shit about the Democratic party of the country for that matter. He is scared for his fat ass as are the rest of the neocon incompetetnts. Boo-Hoo.
cheney couldn’t hold his booze in college [which is one reason why he left yale after freshman year] & he can’t hold it now — if anybody thinks he was sober when he shot that fellow, i’ve a bridge to sell you
my parents are republicans 100% but today my mother shocked me — she said that the timing of the british terror plot news is all about distracting us from israel’s colossal failure in lebanon — suddenly everybody’s talking about having to dump their hair gel before going through security & nobody’s talking about how israel’s performance in lebanon looks like ours in iraq
Great Post Christy, needed that after waking up to the news this morning.
Terror Alert on Red,iirc, it is the first time
we have used the red warning.
Cheney comes out of the woodwork to spew his venom.
Tuesday, the Republican supporting Joey Two
Times goes down to defeat.
Wednesday, the Republicans go on and on about
how bad this will be for the war on
terra, and how bad Ned Lamont is for
the future of our country.
Thursday, we have our first Red alert.
Coincidence, I think not.
“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself…” Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1933.
If I wanted to convince my democratic constituents that I was your man, I wouldn’t want Cheney, Snow, Mehlman, Rove or any other republican to say that I was a great senator and should be voted into office.
Well Lieberman is going to fall hard, if he doesn’t pull out, come November. Given who is championing him and his causes, it’ll be interesting to see where he lands when politics fails him. Worthless political shill think tank or hooked up with a lobbyist buddy?
It does not really matter to Dick Cheney how WELL the war in Iraq is going - it only matters that it IS going, so his interests in the defense industry and the warprofiteerers show some results. It is the swagger that America can beat anybody and that raw power trumps diplomacy that makes him so dangerous. He is of course wrong, as justice will eventually rise above lies and deceit.
Connecticut voters will get some clarity on Lieberman once they see who rushes out to endorse him.
Cheney is a fool if he thinks this gambit will work.
I bet Hillsman is already whipping up some amazing commercials featuring Joe’s latest spate of endorsements from Republican radical extremists like Cheney, Coulter and the like.
The word for the week is clarity.
The nomination of Lamont is bringing clarity.
Clarity about who is with the Democratic party and who is against it.
And a clear debate about Iraq and Bush’s failed policies in his so called war on terror.
The Bush administration is hoping to scare away a debate about the war on terror and their failures in this arena.
But Democrats like Lamont are standing up to them with a clear articulation of the facts.
Bush and Cheney are running into a buzzsaw.
They are building up national attention on Lamont by calling attention to the Connecticut race.
And, right now, Lamont is speaking articulately and convincingly about the failures of the Bush administration.
Thanks for the spotlite, George and Dick. We will make the absolute most of it.
I can’t keep things straight anymore. Was that an actual transcript, or is it Onionized?
It’s a Mad Mad Mad Magazine World we’re in these days.
When Dick Cheney shoots his mouth off, who does he hit in the face?
Isn’t this cool? Concern trolling has hit the big time.
Dick Cheney can kiss my hairy white ass.
Deadeye Dick’s Unitary Executive can only work if there is a tame Legislative Branch and a complicit Judiciary. He needs Joe Lieberman as a Senator.
OT…..are there any extra points given for a “0″ on a vaporized post? LOL
Great Post Christy!!
Dick Cheney: Concern Troll major props!!
it’s time for the men in the little white coats to go take mr. cheney to a padded cell for the criminally insane where he rightfully belongs.
mr. cheney is a murderous psychopath and a serious danger not only to society but to world peace - the antithesis of his mass-murdering doctrine of perpetual war to line his own blood-soaked pockets and feed his insatiable lust for power.
he is worse than any cartoon villain in history.
There was a thread yesterday trying to come up with an analogy to some athlete coming out of retirement and really bombing - choosing a too late exit from the sport. And I got to thinking, what about a certain bad penny comedian.
Maybe we could come up with some T-shirt or bumper sticker ideas that could be sold to benefit progressive candidates this fall. How about:
or (keeping with the above theme)
Perhaps DarkBlack would come up with the graphics.
David Broder in today’s WaPo:
So that’s where Joe is looking for his financing . . . Ready to check those FEC campaign reports, everyone?
Joe, the Sequel. That’s a pretty big bus heading his way. Everyone is shitting on him and he doesn’t even know it. Stool Pidgeon’s Tomorrow Tour, anyone? Anyone?
Can someone give me a link to a concise run-down of the reasons why Lamont is *not* a fringe radical? It would be very helpful in combatting the media narrative that I see catching hold here in the office.
thinkprogress on deadeye dick:
Cheney: Lieberman Loss ‘Disturbing’ Because al Qaeda Is ‘Betting They Can Break The Will of The American People’
To reiterate my earlier post - I truly hope Hillsman takes these Cheney quotes and uses them in a commercial.
Give Connecticut voters the clarity they need about Lieberman’s relationship with the Bush administration.
Lieberman stands with Bush, not the people of Connecticut.
Shorter Dick Cheney: “Do what I say or I’ll shoot you in the face.”
Check out Steve Gilliard. Coulter may have finally outdone herself by claiming “without affirmative action” Maxine Waters wouldn’t have a job.
Are you a Ned Lamont Democrat?
Are you an Ann Coulter Republican?
-GSD
One of my children who thinks I’ve gone off the deep end with this political stuff contacted me about the Cheney speech. Says it’s absolutely incompetent, can’t believe they’re being this stupid.
Jesus god it’s hard getting on FDL at all lately. Anyway hi everybody & fitz ned trex etc!
And fuck you sideways with a rusty weedwhacker, Dick Nazi Cheney. Every night I go to bed praying to see your pasty white ass in the Hague asap. You make Milosevic look like Mary Poppins.
I have been doing a lot of thinking about the GOP rush to immediately put the Dems into the crazy box for giving Ned the primary win in CT.
I had a thought about some ideas for ads that would destroy this ridiculous argument that somehow the Bush policies are working because we haven’t had any attacks in this country since 9/11.
One might be a guy driving a car on the highway. He’s cutting people off, driving at breakneck speed, and behind him, we see accident after accident occurring as a result of his crazy driving. What the driver (let’s give him a nice Texas twang, shall we?) is saying during this is something like, “Five years ago, a car full of people slammed into me on the highway, but I managed to walk away. (Heh,heh - grinning) Since then, I started drivin’ more “on offense,” ya know, not waitin’ for other drivers to make mistakes, and the amazin’ thing is, that I haven’t had another accident since then! It’s workin’! (Eeerrrrrk! Watch out, lady! I got somewhere to go!)” Voice over would say, “What would happen if we all applied the polcies of George Bush and the Republicans to our everyday life?”
The other might be one that would feature different people going about their daily lives. The voice over would say, “This is Bob. Five years ago, he had a heart attack, and survived. Bob never followed his doctor’s advice to change his eating habits, get more exercise and be screened on a regular basis to make sure he’s okay. Since he hasn’t had another heart attack, Bob thinks he’s okay. He doesn’t know about his two severely clogged arteries.” “This is Mary. Five years ago, she had a mini-stroke…She doesn’t know about the blood clot in her leg…” and it would go on like that for a couple other people. The tag line would be, “Five years ago, serious flaws in our security were made clear to us. We were told to secure our ports, nuclear plants, rail systems and highways, but that’s been largely ignored by an administration and a Congress under the control of Republicans. They say we’re safe because we haven’t been attacked in five years (sound of heartbeat). They’re staking your life on things they don’t know” (sound of woman saying, “Bob? Bob? Honey, what’s wrong? Then sound of of flat-line).
Why should anybody listen to what Bush, Cheney, or Rove have to say? They are all liars (too many examples to post), cowards (all avoided service in combat in Vietnam period), and traitors (Plame).
I think DeadEye’s remarks are a response to all the calls that he and the shrub are getting from the GOP, once they saw that humongous voter turnout in CT.
The only thing that made the CT race close was LieberBush’s 11th hour decision to attack Rumsfeld’s handling of the occupation.
OT warning,
TRex had a very powerful post last night, it is downthread and if you have the time, it is well worth reading.
It was one of those punch in the stomach moments that takes your breath away.
The comments were awesome and heartbreaking at the same time.
Ben @ 38
http://nedlamont.com/issues
The GOP desperation is palpable. They keep going off message. Lamont’s win has really unhinged them. Cheney is just reading the tea leaves, and seeing that Joe went down on Tuesday, and his own time is just about up as well.
Enjoy those impeachment hearings and Hague trials, you Dick! :)
Cheney and Crew make me want to puke when they talk about how big they are on “security”.
What have they secured? Big profits for Halliburton. Big profits for the oil companies. Their own fortunes and power.
If these guys were in private life they’d be doing crap like setting fire to a church so you wouldn’t notice they’re robbing the bank down the street.
GSD @
42
Here’s more on (moron) Coultergeist:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200608100001
Look at what a great job the Republicans are doing from a PR standpoint: we are spending time and energy, which are scarce resources, refuting what Cheney et al. are saying, even though what they’re saying is complete and utter horseshit. Those of us with long memories remember how many times it looked like Jesse Helms was going to lose his senate seat, but he fought like a cornered rat and won every time. In spite of what the polls say, we’re going to have to fight for every seat against a barrage of angry muck, flung with precision and energy by some very bright bastards.
Why….is….this….website….so….slow?
more Glenn Greenwald, subbing at Salon.com War Room for a few more days (trying to respect “fair use” borrowing, but it’s all so succinct):
Some Quantitative Analysis of Lieberman Lamont polling data
From Hotline and a University of Wisconsin Political Scientist named Charles Franklin.
God, I wish we would have organized Ned Lamont rallies the day after the election in every major Democratic stronghold in the nation, no matter the outcome. These people need to see the level of our support for someone of this caliber. Maybe next time.
Just heard this on the MSM. So you can take it with a grain of salt or the whole state of Utah. The Brits have been watching the plotters for 6 months none of the plotters have bought tickets. The talking head was unsure as to why it was revealed today except for the possibility that the police might have lost track of one of the people they were following. Now there’s a reason to bring it out during the overnight so that it is splattered all over the morning news cycle. Timing is to news stories as location is to real estate.
afterthought at 55 — we are having server issues. Patience is appreciated while we sort out the toobz.
afterthought @ 55
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Sharkbabe @ 44
AttaGirl, Sharkbabe! The image has me ROFL….
What is next? Baby formula bombs, hairbombs, brabombs, false teeth bombs?
CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! CODE BROWN!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! The terrists ‘r comin’!! …
Neo 9-11 in the hair gel?
’scuse my skepticism.
_
Could someone help me with this problem I seem to have when I post.
It shows “edit this comment/quote this comment”
when ever other poster shows quote this comment only. Thanks.
meta @ 49
Thanks
To quote an American patriot;
“Go fuck yourself Mr. Cheney.”
I’m no rich pundit or nuthin, but I can smell that the Gopers realize somwthing that I said in the Dean Campaign.
“We are The Blog! Resistance is Futile!”
If the Netroots infrastructure was in 2002 as it is today, Howard Dean would probably be President.
Now there’s a formula that works. Although Ned’s $4 Mil didn’t hurt. The trick is now to apply what has been learned in Lamont/Lieberman and apply it to the Fifty State Strategy.
Just like that $100,000 electric car,where they built a topline sports car to apply the technology to cars that the average persorn can afford, the Net Roots now has a working model that can be adapted to every race in the country.
Back in the Dean Campaign, I called it The Vermontster Mash!
Ist das nicht Sore Loserman?
Ja, das ist Sore Loseman!
O, wie schne, o wie schne
O, wie schne Schnitzelbank!
Apple Canyon 2 @
63
You can edit your comments for about 5 minutes after posting, in case u see mistakes and want to fix them. You can only edit comments that you post. This helps take some burden off the moderators and it is very convenient for us hasty posters.
OK, CNN just came up with more info. They were going to use GatorAid bombs….? Powered by their iPods or cell phones…? I guess it could be done.
Sharkie in da house — YAY!
Apple Canyon, you have five minutes after posting it to edit your own comment (in case you forgot that Preview Is Your Friend).
That is, some people do. The edit function just laffs at some folks’ software, it seems.
To add to the list of things the Democratic party doesn’t want:
A “unitary executive” presidency that decides when, where and how the citizens will be spied upon by their own government. And has the gall to tell us it’s for our own safety and we’d better just shut up and play along or we’ll end up ‘disappeared’.
Got fascism?
It’s just started raining in Seattle. Let it rain!
AC2,
FDL has made very significant upgrades to their commenting software. Once you comment something, you have five minutes to “edit” it, make whatever changes you want. You can also spell check it. There are also HTML tags for bolding, italics, underlining,
strikeand linking.Ed*ard Teller - yes, it’s true, they did say gatorade bombs. but, the british version of gatorade. I guess they have a higher octane gatorade
Christy, may I add two more “things the Democratic party are against” -
The United States ever being the aggressor/initiator in a matter war
*and*
Any administration that believes the United States is for the money and by the corporations and not for the people and by the people
punaise @ 55
When will there be a poll out on the CT 3-way Senate race (a new one - post primary)? I hope that will take some steam out of the Lieberman juggernaut.
As for Cheney and his friends — War Crimes War Crimes War Crimes War Crimes
The suggestion box in the Lamont HQ must be overflowing by now, but here’s my suggestion anyway.
It has been stated that Lieberman will fold his independent bid if he sees new polls showing that he is significantly behind Lamont in a 3-way race. Conversely, Lieberman will be re-energized if he sees himself leading such early polls.
My suggestion is that the Lamont campaign resume its TV ads in advance of such polling. This is what the Groppenator has done in CA to revive his political life while his opponent has been mostly mute during this time (according to what I read). The ads would 1) first thank those who voted for him in the primary, 2) reach out to the Lieberman voters with themes of party unity and common ground, and 3) appeal to all other voters on the important issues facing everyone in CT.
The ads could also address the terrorism issue head-on: fighting a civil war in Iraq does nothing to combat terrorism in home-grown plots in Britain or the U.S. It does nothing to stop Iran or Syria from meddling in Lebanon.
I think that such pre-emptive ads, even in August and risking viewer overload, could be effective.
estiv 54:
You’re right. I see no point in laughing at Cheney’s pile of baloney. He’s still very dangerous, they all are. I don’t care how low his poll numbers are… he’s got the media (the fear-channelers) and we’re still in big trouble. I don’t know what it’s gonna take to wake up the American people, and maybe more importantly, the representatives we have right now in Congress. Get off your butts, democratic Senators and Congressmen and fight for what’s right, dammit. Because the shit is just beginning to fly.
*Sorry to be such a Debbie Downer but I’m not getting a good feeling about anything this morning.
Ed*ard Teller @ 68
Mentos and Diet Coke bombs?
Seriously, though, Gatorade is full of electrolytes. I’m no chemist, but I suppose it’s possible to use the minerals in these drinks for some minor reaction. Heck, you can make explosives from urine…
Ed*ard Teller 61-
“What is next? Baby formula bombs, hairbombs, brabombs, false teeth bombs?”
____
C-4 fabric cargo pants. We’ll all have to fly naked. Then the “Islamic Fascists” will resort to C-4 suppositories and swallowed C-4 filled latex gloves a la coke mules.
Interesting the President Gomer referred to “Islamic Facsists” today. Should stick with his usual slurred “terrists.” More lexically economical, with only 1.1732 syllables.
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Now it’s called The 50 State Strategy, in 2003 we called it The Vermontster Mash.
The Pretenders - Tattoed Love Boys (excerpt), for Lieber-Cheney
…if you were MacGyver.
Maybe that’s why Bush, Cheney and their corporate buddies work so hard to keep us all piss-poor.
A few somewhat OT things of interest…
Joe’s website is STILL not back up.
The Little Green Footballs blog has been investigated by the FBI “several times” recently for threats being made in the comments there against Muslims. (Glenn G. reports at both Salon and briefly at his own blog).
And if you haven’t seen the General’s “live blogging” of the CT Primary yet from the Lieberman enclave…omg you are missing out hehe.
And of course there are going to be terrorist attacks coming down the pike. What else is the War to Create Terror about, if not that.
Estiv - It may be annoying but it isn’t a waste of resources and/or time. Cheney’s argument is, at its most basic, that by rejecting Lieberman, the voters of CT were rejecting TEAM LOSER republican policies. Regardless of the words he used - a “purge” in the democratic party - he, and all of the repugs know, that the CT primary was a referendum on Chimpy and Dick’s policies and handling of everything, with perhaps the war as the most important, but policies across the the board nonetheless - and those are repug failures accross the board.
Of course, the particular fight was for the hearts of dem voters, but the issues are the same as those that will be at the center of every election in 06, and will be the same issues in 08.
So, since Dick is telegraphing repug campaign themes, there’s nothing like getting an early start in exposing the bullshit as early and often as possible.
Two things I’d reeeeeally like to know:
(1) What close relative(s), or whoever else, so terrified the toddler Dickie Cheney — in what way, and at what age — that it programmed him forever after to present himself to the world as The Baddest Mofo You’ll Ever Meet?
(2) Has Joe Lieberman at any time in his adult life demonstrated any marketable talent for anything whatsoever?
Gee, Christy, I think you’re being way too hard on Mr. Cheney. Frankly, I was deeply touched to hear how concerned our Vice President is about the state of the Democratic Party. What a swell guy. And when he made the point that voters don’t appreciate all the nice things Joe L has done in supporting our war against whatever, I was moved to tears. Gosh, it seems out VP is a truly sincere concern T. Who knew?
And how dare those mean reporters ask such disrepectful questions, which, if I understand their subtle meaning were, “Do you think the country is really pissed at you for getting us bogged down in a horrific quagmire?” and “Has it occurred to you morons that the country is ready to throw you bums and everyone who supported you out of office?”
All I can say to our VP is “hang in there Mr. Cheney; keep doing what you’re doing, because I think the country is going to react in exactly the right way. When you have democractic elections and have good choices on the ballot, good things happen, and those who support violence and indiscriminate killing lose.” Isn’t that what our President says?
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Excellent suggestion imo.
The election Tuesday was one critical battle moment in a larger, ongoing war.
Media buys are one reasons political consultants get the big bucks. The old military addage, “hit early and hit hard,” applies equally to politics. In addition it’s a marathon of fund raising. When you don’t see Ned at an event or on teevee, he’s on the phone with another donor begging for more money. Joe’s doing the same.
I’m interested if NARAL and PP are stepping up and contributing to Ned now?
Also, if anyone has information about where CT labor’s donations are going, that’s important too.
Apple Canyon–it’s a new feature to make it easy for you to make a change within 5 minutes of posting a comment. Spelling, grammar, changing political party affiliation, etc.
Lotus - (2) Has Joe Lieberman at any time in his adult life demonstrated any marketable talent for anything whatsoever?
Yes, he would be a shoe-in for the starring role in the live action droopy dog movie
Maybe the threat team should be looking into “what if the NeoCons know that their support for Lieberman will only hurt him.” These people are so devious.
Oh my oh my - Georgi Porgie leaves his pig farm to glad hand in Wisconsin, Dead Eye Dick leaves his bunker to praise HoJo and dish Ned, London airport shut down, thousands of Americans delayed across the nation at airports and dumping shampoo, and anything else liquid in their luggage & carry on bags. Terrorist plots to blow up a bunch of planes over Atlantic thwarted by the Brits.
Ah yes, chaos and fear playbook unleashed a bit early - guess the Nedmomemtum and failure of the theft of the CT primary triggerd an early execution of the disruption plans earlier than planned and heaven knows what other surprises await at the hands of these desperadoes between now and the November elections.
Meanwhile our kids are dying in Iraq and the mideast nightmare continues unabated.
Heck of a job Deadeye, Smirk, Rummy, Condi and MSM. Simply incomprehensible madness.
Oh Fitz, wherefore art thou - we could sure use some uplifting news from your good offices.
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scarecrow at 9:56
LMAO.
Thanks.
If Cheney et al can paint Ned Lamont as being a wild-eyed radical without getting laughed off the planet then they’ve already won a big victory. Ned, who is a stellar human being, a successful businessman, a father, husband, teacher. Ned who ran an above-board and ethical campaign, who did everything right. And who won his primary fair and square.
The dems had better get behind him with more than lip-service!
(2) Has Joe Lieberman at any time in his adult life demonstrated any marketable talent for anything whatsoever?
The ability to bore people to tears.
Joementum’s Sleep Aid.
shorter Cheney: no rest for the worry
Well….
Signing in from Austria. You know… Sound of Music, middle of Europe… that Austria.
I followed the CT primary for personal reasons.
Everyone here was superb.
But today? Our prime time media gave us the Rep. version of what happened. Used to be–it took four YEARS to get that. Now corporate media are immediate.
My lover of thirty years gave me SO much grief. How could I even DARE to butt in? Well, it was important to me. For one thing.
I grew up in that corner of the world.
Friends of mine weren’t of the same opinion.
Didn’t care.
So I did what I could….
So I get home from work, and get this diatribe… crazy glazed over eyed leftists, who got some ‘decent’ man out of office. This for the biggest back-stabber of all time?
Well, am nothing of the sort.
So I sat him down in front of my pc, and played the C-span clip for him. And asked, NOw you tell ME what is so leftist about all this!
Humble pie.
I keep saying it and saying it: Those people got it coming and going and it goes world-wide.
So yes. I tried to do what i could. I e-mailed friends in CT. And didn’t pressure them.
Just asked them to consider. And listen.
And will do it again and again—whatever it takes.
Pretty sick, huh?
R
Code RED, Code ORANGE, day after Lieberloser gets tossed, wag that dog in Blairliarland, and here Egyptian students unaccounted for. That is a coordinated assault. Insult! Wake me when its over please.