Ned!
Jane!
Redd!
Spazeboy!
Maura!

WOW!

NED!!

Christy, thank you for the post, and why do I doubt that we’ll see *any* mention of this on MSNBC (hacks up a beardly hairball) or Headline News?

Video from today’s “Unity Press Conference” wherein all prominent CT-Dems endorse Lamont and DeStefano

Sorry for the OT comment. :)

Christy at night!

last time I checked, Joe’s website was still blaming Ned… here’s a question - if the site were indeed having all these difficulties, how is it they can still post a page claiming it’s all Ned’s fault?

Isn’t broken just broken?

“It’s just a scratch, Ned.”

“You’re arms off, Joe.”

scarecrow
volunteering in CT for Ned!

Joe running against the Democratic Party could cost us those 3 winnable House seats. Not good!
www.CT4Joe2006.com

I demand Tweety moderate the blogger ethics panel, since he pushed the story, was told it couldn’t be true and that Lamont had condemned it in the a.m., and still hasn’t faced the facts or reported the truth.

Still in service to the master (Jack Welch), Chris?

epu’d yet again.

i’ve had enuf hadassah and too many bowls of glutenous red colored jollo. burp!

Here are the interviews from the Newshour

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vo.....te/ct.html

And on ABC Markos had a soundbite inbetween Lieberman’s.

There is also this story which is different from the one on the west coast feed at least

Lieberman Blogged Down in Connecticut

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics.....id=2291085

sorry to give us a douse of cold water, and I think I might have posted this before but from my pda and I can’t find it so I’m posting it now incase it didn’t get through

my prediction;

joe will run without a republican counter part, republicans will be implored to vote for him by the entire republican party and the pundits, ie, rush, hannity levin, coulter, bush,rove

there will be some democrats that think joe will be able to bring home the bacon better then a novice, and Bush will deliver some pork for lieberman to prove the point

lieberman wins the general election

that’s my prediction

it will come to pass UNLESS the dlc and EVERY DEMOCRAT starts calling Joe a republican AS SOON AS HE MAKES THE INDIENDANT PROTOCOL

the dlc MUST renounce Joe as a democrat EVEN NOW as he threatens to run as an independant

he MUST BE VILLIFIED in the eyes of every single democrat for lamont to carry ct in the general election

Completely irresponsible. Wow.

CHRISTY!!

The FBI has nothing better to do than prop up Joe’s personal regime and fantasies. DonchaNo?

Having problems getting my comments to go through.

I think I’ll blame the Joe Losernman campaign.

The Joomla security forums mention a range of hacks and exploits, mainly down to third-party extensions that weren’t properly audited. Apparently, HoJoe.com was using an extension that was notoriously exploit-prone, even if the admins had all the latest security patches.

Some of the people there have their suspicious about what happened, though they haven’t expounded on them, probably to avoid spreading the exploit before it’s patched. But they’re saying it probably wasn’t a DDOS.

me to me,

Didn’t you predict Joe would win the primary? Or was it just the general he will win?

me to me - I think you underestimate the anger that Joe has caused amongst the Democrats in CT…

I DO think the key to tapping that anger and disgust is to make sure other prominent Dems point out that betrayal…and support Ned with enthusiasm…

Watching Loserman on the PBS News Hour right now. What an unbelievable schmuck he is.

All day long I’ve been asking myself:

I wonder what Loserman’s rabbi thinks of his ethics?

EPU’d

But Lieberman said he was anxious to renew the debate, calling Lamont an example of the polarizing forces that voters were tired of in Washington. His victory was fueled in part by grass-roots and Internet activists adamantly opposed to the Iraq war.

“I don’t want these folks to take over my party or American politics,” Lieberman said on CNN on Wednesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200.....ticut_dc_3

omigawd — Holy Joe is coming up on Larry King Live ! Barfarooni (the Hartford treat)

some Lieberman staffer’s own computer screw-up?!?

I don’t think this conclusion follows logically from the statements that were made.

shoephone @ 20

I wonder what Loserman’s rabbi thinks of his ethics?

Joe’s ethics are situational, couched as “principled”

Another media hitpiece from the Republican National Committee :

FROM FDR TO NED LAMONT: THE DEMOCRAT PARTY’S TRANSFORMATION FROM STRENGTH TO WEAKNESS

http://www.gop.com/weakandwrong/

crude ugliness for authoritarian follower types

read their talking points, watch the video

will it sell?

i’m like 99% sure lieberman’s been using self-tanner.
see lk live right now.

OT- Revdeb, thanks for the info on the Canon Elura 100. I went to your link and did a wee bit of research and that’s the one I’m going to buy. Gotta get some good footage of my fiance’s four-year old….some of the shit that comes out of her mouth. LOL.

why isn’t Ned on Larry King? He won the thing!
as Sharkebabe would say:”Go to your room Larry.”

18immanentize says

August 9th, 2006 at 6:27 pm*
me to me,

Didn’t you predict Joe would win the primary? Or was it just the general he will win?

I did not predict joe would win the primary..democrats are voting in the primary

democrats AND republcians vote in the general

and you missunderstood me

I am predicting joe wins IF the democrats don’t start demonizing him as a republican as soon as it beoomes clear he WILL run as independant

only if we don’t demonize him in democrats eyes.

it was sort of a back door attempt to call us to arms…which of course I know is what we are allready doing, but we have to get the democrats that are not as active as we are to understand what joe actually is

“joe, you never ran an honest campaign.”

“yes i did.”

“no you didn’t.”

“yes i did.”

“no you didn’t. you constantly spouted lies about lamont and your own positions!”

“no i didn’t.”

“yes you did.”

“no i didn’t.”

“yes you did! even now you don’t own up to reality! you still see yourself as a moderate, when in fact you never voted like a democrat when it mattered!”

“yes i did!”

“no you didn’t.”

“yes i did.”

ad nauseum, emphasis on the nauseum.

orangejumpsuit, Gray, and I were discussing this in the “chicken on vacation” thread. Here’s my comment, and just start scrolling down from there:

http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-235082

To put it mildly, system administrators or programmers first thinking their systems are under attack, and then realizing the problem is in some recently added or changed software is a common one. I can’t say that’s what’s happened here, but I see no reason to exclude the possibility.

So the FBI is investigating the alleged Lieberman hack attack?

I wonder whether Cheney is giving the FBI their marching orders now like he does the CIA and the NSA.

You know, “You WILL find evidence of weapons of mass destruction…”

Or, “You WILL find evidence of Lamont campaign culpability…”

ps just came over to say big props to jane and christy and everyone else for their big work in this momentous historical (and hysterical) moment in american politics.

Ok, OT I know, or maybe not completely, but…

In light of Mehlman’s refusal to endorse the GOP candidate in CT and numerous reports of Rove courtesy calls and offers of support: we’re watching real close to detect any signs of overt or (more likely) covert support of Joe’s “independent” campaign from the GOP, right? I don’t know how much he’s got saved up from his incompetent primary run, but I expect he’s gonna need all the cash he can lay his hands on. We know the GOP has bought and paid for various Green Party organizations, so this is definitely in the game plan. Has this been posted on before? Is it too obvious to mention? I’ve been offline for the last couple of days so haven’t had time to check, but it deifintely bears close watching.

I don’t like Gwen Ifil, but she just made me laugh. At the end of her interview with Lieberman, he said something like “I look forward to talking to you again through this exciting campaign.” The hmph she gave him was short, dismissive, and a little contemptuous.

As I said, I don’t like her much, but Gwen Ifil is a reliable conduit of the CW; and there it was, in a half-second snort.

LK: is it kinda weird knowing that right wing repubs are endorsing you?

JL: uhhhh, yeah.

well, that’s refreshing.

Joe on Larry King Lies just said if he had it to do over again, he would invade Iraq…

Holy Joe just reiterated that he would still have gone into Iraq

If the investigators discover Rove’s fingerprints on the hack then I’d happily spend the tax dollars. Joey conjured the R word first! Maybe Joey’s kids know. Somebody buy Atilla a latte!

The joe2006 website is STILL implying that the Lamont campaign was involved in hacking…any lawyers care to speculate as to whether or not Ned has any standing to sue?

sen. lieberman was “lost” by larry king before he could discuss The Kiss. yeah, i so believe that. lalalalala, i can’t hear you larry!!!!

shoephone @ 20

Watching Loserman on the PBS News Hour right now. What an unbelievable schmuck he is.

All day long I’ve been asking myself:

I wonder what Loserman’s rabbi thinks of his ethics?

Do you mean Joe’s rabbi lambs?

Rob Zuber at 23 — you tell me, then, how the Lieberman campaign’s computers just randomly started spamming themselves if it wasn’t human error? Should we blame the evil computer gremlins sent by political enemies in the fourth dimension? Or perhaps some evil hacker sneaked into the building the night before the day before the election? Or what exactly? Because an internal spam loop had to start somewhere internally…

wow cnn.

now my teevee smells like stinkyman and other stinkyoldman

It was a moment of unexpected levity last night when Schlessinger called Lieberman “Joey Two Time”. That little joke humanized the guy for me, and now that Melman seems to be dissing him I’m feeling a twinge (just a twinge) of empathy. He must feel like crap just about now.

Joe just said it would be wrong if we “cut and ran.”

Doesn’t he have any sense of self-reflection?

What the hell does he think he just did?

Larry King just couldnt bear to say and didnt say the name Ned Lamont or the Democratic nominee for Senator from Connecticut

LindaR @ 35

I don’t like Gwen Ifil, but she just made me laugh. At the end of her interview with Lieberman, he said something like “I look forward to talking to you again through this exciting campaign.” The hmph she gave him was short, dismissive, and a little contemptuous.

As I said, I don’t like her much, but Gwen Ifil is a reliable conduit of the CW; and there it was, in a half-second snort.

I heard that on the radio, too; it was good for a chortle.

Here’s the sterility of the Joe-vironment and the enthusiasm of his dedicated and motivated staffers–all in one juicy photo:

http://www.futurebird.com/images/angryliber.jpg

Could this be the culprit?

joe doesn’t have a rabbi. he has a rabbit named karl in a hat.

I have to push the Kiss Float a lot…

I don’t believe the spamming was random at all, Christy. . . and I don’t think there was human error (unless you count eee-vil as human error.)

I think it’s a classic Rovian tactic (probably prescribed by the dark lord himself): spam your own damn computers on election day (an election that was affected by, um, computers and computer users), make a big stink On Election Day, and blame blame blame Lamont’s campaign.

Or is that totally obvious to everyone else, too, and I’m just tired and not getting it?

Lieberman is a vindictive piece of nasty work. He’s going to cause Lamont to take on not just the Republican candidate but “Himself”. I think Lieberman cares as much about Lamont’s defeat, as he does for his own triumph. Of course I realize there are other factors and commitments in Joe’s quest. The hope is that Senator Lamont will not accept dubious contributions, especially from over-seas special interests.

Joe has painted himself into a terrible corner, and he has a very limited time in which to extricate himself before his entire career is tarnished by this very selfish and un-statesmanlike decision.

He’s still talking about what a good Democrat he is, but now he’s saying it from the position of someone whose name will not appear as a Democrat. From the moment his internal polling started to look bad, he ran for the cover of an independent run, determined not to be outfoxed by something as trivial as rejection by the Democratic party he claims to care so much about.

By saying he puts country and the people above the party, he is saying that his own party’s positions on things like energy and health care and Iraq are the wrong positions. That’s what got the voters charged up to vote for Ned - people want a Democrat to fight for Democratic values and positions. It’s one thing to reach across the aisle, but if you have to get out of your seat and cross over the aisle to do it, you’re not extending a hand of cooperation, you’re abandoning your party.

The GOP is already targeting the Dems as soft on security, and Joe will take up that talking point, and will sound like Dick Cheney when he goes after Ned. I do not think that a deep-blue state like CT wants another Dick Cheney to represent them in the Senate; we don’t need more hawks who think force is the answer to everything.

I give Joe a week or less of listening to his friends paint him a picture of how he will be remembered - and vilified - if he continues to stick with his campaign, but the trick will be coming up with a face-saving reason for why he is standing down.

Spamming himself? figures. Those bastards just aren’t going to let go gracefully, are they? We’ll have to pry the office from Joe’s cold, dead hands, it looks like. Too bad, really — there’s a better way.

The trouble with the conventional wisdom about Joe winning a three-way race this fall is that it IS the conventional wisdom — a nostalgic look in the rear-view mirror. Back to a time when Joe was a VP candidate, his party’s standard-bearer, not the pathetic joke and spoiler wannabe whose rapidly shrinking support is melting further day by day. And there won’t be much left after the comics get through with him. A lot of Stewart shows — or perhaps more important, given his demographics, Leno shows — between now and November.

After he gets over the shock of defeat, we can hope that Joe sees this is really all about generational change (not the generation of officeholders like Lieberman, but rather of the grassroots, or lets say netroots.) Whether you view it in terms of Kuhn’s paradigm change or Dylan’s Mister Jones, some players — and ideas — are leaving the stage, while others are just starting to play their parts. Joe can accept that and walk off the stage gracefully, or he’ll most likely just end up taking an even bigger pratfall.

And the most hilarious thing was hearing Schlesinger describe himself as Left of Lieberman on Iraq!

Couldnt justice department prosecute Lieberman for a complelete fabrication? They did this without proof. This is totally Rovenian in nature.

Christy @43

“Because an internal spam loop had to start somewhere internally…”

Isn’t an internal spam loop a great metaphor for both Joe and Bush spamming themselves with their own versions of reality?

One of the web ironies is that those of us who stayed at the hotel acrosss the street from Lamont HQ did so not merely because it was convenient but because they provided free wifi. But when we got on FDL, we found we couldn’t post comments, though all of us tried to send back reports each day. I sent maybe one because I went on-line, but others like Kathryn/MA, Selise, RevDeb were stymied. So you didn’t hear from most of us. We’d type something, hit “submit” and it would just disappear into some EPU.

Somewhere, in some stange EPU, there are dozens of attempted comments from the last five days, just floating around. Brilliant comments, all.

I now suspect the Lieberman web guys did the Hotel wifi!

(The Lamont folks made sure the “blogger room” for the victory party did not have this problem, which is why all the bloggers could post stuff in real time last night. )

Spam-a-loop

O’BRIEN: Do you think the voters, and you referenced angry voters in your concession speech last night, do you think they’re more fed up about partisanship than fed up about the war in Iraq, which is the position that Ned Lamont’s been very successfully able to ride to victory?

LIEBERMAN: Yes. Well, I think you’ve got to look at the numbers in politics. And I think basically what the vote yesterday showed was that three percent, three-and-a-half percent more of the Democrats who voted yesterday were more fed about President Bush and where the Iraq war is going. It looks — none of us are happy where it is now, than they are fed up with the partisanship.

But I think among all the voters, there’s too much domination of our politics by the extremes of both parties. There’s a broad mainstream of American government that wants us to — politics and people, that wants us to get our government together and do something.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA.....tm.01.html

He’s still talking about what a good Democrat he is, but now he’s saying it from the position of someone whose name will not appear as a Democrat. From the moment his internal polling started to look bad, he ran for the cover of an independent run, determined not to be outfoxed by something as trivial as rejection by the Democratic party he claims to care so much about.

My prediction is that the Democrats are going to go easy on Joe in the general election out of fear that he’ll vindictively jump to the Republicans if he wins.

I don’t think they should, but I think they will.

Jenny from the Blog @ 56

And the most hilarious thing was hearing Schlesinger describe himself as Left of Lieberman on Iraq!

Aren’t most people?

I don’t think you guys should be so dismissive of the FBI investigation. After all, President Bush called and told them, “I’ve got a Medal for whoever can find Joe’s Hacker! Shiney pretty medal. “

just wonderin: could joe have switched to an R if he wanted? Or was creating the “independent democrat” party necessary?

non-US-citizens and entities are prohibited by law from donating to US candidates

hey folks….

was Karl involved with the Texas gooper who screamed about the bug they just happened to have found…right before the election?

the gooper’s implicit msg: the dems planted the bug.

hmm - another page from Karl’s young rethuglican playbook?

Madison Avenue Guy said,

“Joe can accept that and walk off the stage gracefully, or he’ll most likely just end up taking an even bigger pratfall.”

I’m not much of a sports fan, but can anyone come up with an analogy of a famous athlete who didn’t have the sense to retire when he was past his prime, and ended up humiliating himself?

scarecrow @ 59

One of the web ironies is that those of us who stayed at the hotel acrosss the street from Lamont HQ did so not merely because it was convenient but because they provided free wifi. But when we got on FDL, we found we couldn’t post comments, though all of us tried to send back reports each day. I sent maybe one because I went on-line, but others like Kathryn/MA, Selise, RevDeb were stymied. So you didn’t hear from most of us. We’d type something, hit “submit” and it would just disappear into some EPU.

Somewhere, in some stange EPU, there are dozens of attempted comments from the last five days, just floating around. Brilliant comments, all.

I now suspect the Lieberman web guys did the Hotel wifi!

(The Lamont folks made sure the “blogger room” for the victory party did not have this problem, which is why all the bloggers could post stuff in real time last night. )

I think there’s something funky with the comments since the upgrade. I can’t comment from my Treo smartphone at all anymore.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 43

Rob Zuber at 23 — you tell me, then, how the Lieberman campaign’s computers just randomly started spamming themselves if it wasn’t human error? Should we blame the evil computer gremlins sent by political enemies in the fourth dimension? Or perhaps some evil hacker sneaked into the building the night before the day before the election? Or what exactly? Because an internal spam loop had to start somewhere internally…

I know nothing technical, but I read the TPM piece to say there were inside and {perhaps an} outside spam. And the comment above from p in nc17 made me wonder if they chose some platform that was easily hacked (what’s a security forum where folks don’t share their ideas?).

The Joomla security forums mention a range of hacks and exploits, mainly down to third-party extensions that weren’t properly audited. Apparently, HoJoe.com was using an extension that was notoriously exploit-prone, even if the admins had all the latest security patches.

Some of the people there have their suspicious about what happened, though they haven’t expounded on them, probably to avoid spreading the exploit before it’s patched. But they’re saying it probably wasn’t a DDOS.

My take is that maybe something came in from outside and starting laying spam eggs in the stinkyman’s server. But shouldn’t they have protection from that, whether from outside or, once in, inside?

As I say I know nothing. Prolly you can tell.

neurophius @ 67

I’m not much of a sports fan, but can anyone come up with an analogy of a famous athlete who didn’t have the sense to retire when he was past his prime, and ended up humiliating himself?

Willie Mays, unfortunately.

Good God…Larry King AND Joe Lieberman together? Have the camera lenses shattered yet?

neurophius @ 67

Madison Avenue Guy said,

“Joe can accept that and walk off the stage gracefully, or he’ll most likely just end up taking an even bigger pratfall.”

I’m not much of a sports fan, but can anyone come up with an analogy of a famous athlete who didn’t have the sense to retire when he was past his prime, and ended up humiliating himself?

Ricky Henderson? nah. I think he is still playing…

neuro @ 67

Mr. T?

neuro -

I’m not much of a sports fan, but can anyone come up with an analogy of a famous athlete who didn’t have the sense to retire when he was past his prime, and ended up humiliating himself?

There was a boxer whose name escapes me… but I think he came back and didn’t make it… big humiliation. Maybe 6 or 7 years ago?

Yesterday, CNN’s Candy Crowley reported that Leiberman’s web site had been disrupted. She said that dirty tricks might be responsible. She also reported that the Lamont campaign denied any involvment. The kicker: as she ended the piece, she reported that Ned Lamont asked the culprit to please stop.

The implication was that Lamont’s team was somehow involved.

Joey Two-Time! I love this.

punaise at 70 — ahh, but we’ll always have the over-the-back catch. Got my hubby a signed baseball, framed in a shadowbox with a photo of the miracle catch for his birthday several years ago. :)

punaise @ 70

neurophius @ 67

I’m not much of a sports fan, but can anyone come up with an analogy of a famous athlete who didn’t have the sense to retire when he was past his prime, and ended up humiliating himself?

Willie Mays, unfortunately.

Falling down in the outfield in a Mets uniform. Sigh.

I thought Lamont’s kind words about Lieberman’s service sounded an awful lot like something someone might say at a retirement ceremony.

I’m proud to say I was sporting an official Black Knight t-shirt when I was in CT, one of my all time favorite scenes.

Joe is a loser all around, and he’s demonstrating it with his Loserman Whine-a-paloza Tour.

From John at Americablog

Veteran Democratic strategist says Lamont should challenge Lieberman and Bush to a debate
http://americablog.blogspot.co.....-says.html

kirk murphy

That WAS Rove. He said he found a bug in his own office, when he was a campaign manager or consultant or something. He planted it.

punaise @ 49

LindaR @ 35

I don’t like Gwen Ifil, but she just made me laugh. At the end of her interview with Lieberman, he said something like “I look forward to talking to you again through this exciting campaign.” The hmph she gave him was short, dismissive, and a little contemptuous.

As I said, I don’t like her much, but Gwen Ifil is a reliable conduit of the CW; and there it was, in a half-second snort.

I heard that on the radio, too; it was good for a chortle.

Gwen’s final sound was totally contemptuous — it’s something that Black women in particular do. I was astounded it wasn’t cut out.

There was a boxer whose name escapes me… but I think he came back and didn’t make it… big humiliation. Maybe 6 or 7 years ago?

All Of Them.

Joey Two-Time is Pungent O’Stinkyman?

susan 75 -

The implication was that Lamont’s team was somehow involved.

I know, that made me cringe. But I think Ned considered it could be an outlier blogger or whatever, and just felt he had to say that - He was responding quickly to a horrible accusation.

Actually, Lieberman isn’t running as an Independent Democrat (which would be against Connecticut law, as I understand it) or even as an Independent. He is running as a Connecticut for Liebermanian.

Well, he certainly seems to suffer from Liebermania.

neurophius @ 32

So the FBI is investigating the alleged Lieberman hack attack?

I wonder whether Cheney is giving the FBI their marching orders now like he does the CIA and the NSA.

You know, “You WILL find evidence of weapons of mass destruction…”

Or, “You WILL find evidence of Lamont campaign culpability…”

I’ve been thinking this all day. They are going to find a Lamont supporter to indict.

The scenarios that lead to an application going spammo-nutso (regeneration) is either stoopid-bad code by dweebs or malicious bad code by design. How it got there is an interesting question. It could have been applied externally (much discussed already) or it could have been launched “locally”.

The take-away is the dramatic disconnect between Joe’s point of view and how things actually work.

I am reposting comment in this thread:

Could someone please tell me if Karl Rove’s job is to act as a political operative, is he on the federal payroll? If he’s acting on behalf of the Republican Party, isn’t it illegal to do so as an employee of the US Government? Do you recall any other administration having a political operative on the government payroll? I thought government employees have restrictions on what they can do politically.

Also, for those who asked about video cameras, I didn’t see a note whether this was for personal use, or if you were planning to tape a segment for the blogger commercial. If it’s for the commercial, I’d suggest that you ask if anyone in your area has a high definition video camera. It makes a world of difference if it’s for a commercial enterprise. Also, you might check with your high schools or community colleges. They often teach video techniques, and you may be able to use their services (probably for a slight fee). If it’s for personal use, I’d vote for Sony. Their cameras have been pretty good.

If the server is spamming itself, it plausibly could be because it’s infected with some sort of virus or other malware.

Eli -

Okay, now I’m googling the boxer thing. I can’t believe I am doing this because I’ve never seen a boxing match. But I DO REMEMBER ONE SPECIFIC boxer who made a big deal about coming back and it was kind of pitiful. :)

before I buy it — is it Joey Two Time or TimeS ? is there a final S or not ?

the following has nothing to do with anything except my facination with the large amount of skin on joe’s face.

i think if joe jumped from a tall buiding and grabbed his cheeks he would soar thru the air like a flying squirrel.

Mike Tyson?

Christy Hardin Smith @ 77

punaise at 70 — ahh, but we’ll always have the over-the-back catch. Got my hubby a signed baseball, framed in a shadowbox with a photo of the miracle catch for his birthday several years ago. :)

a thing of beauty, that catch. 1954 World Series* vs. the Cleveland Indians - a drive by Vic Wertz, IIRC.

(I remember Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, and Marichal in SF, mid 60s. Gaylord Paerry, Jimmy Ray Hart, Jim Davenport, Tito Fuentes, the Alou brothers.)

*Dodger fans may refrain from reminding us Giants fans that the Giants haven’t won a World Series since then….

The server was eating paste.

MMMMmmm. . . paste!

scarecrow @ 59

One of the web ironies is that those of us who stayed at the hotel acrosss the street from Lamont HQ did so not merely because it was convenient but because they provided free wifi. But when we got on FDL, we found we couldn’t post comments, though all of us tried to send back reports each day. I sent maybe one because I went on-line, but others like Kathryn/MA, Selise, RevDeb were stymied. So you didn’t hear from most of us. We’d type something, hit “submit” and it would just disappear into some EPU.

Somewhere, in some stange EPU, there are dozens of attempted comments from the last five days, just floating around. Brilliant comments, all.

I now suspect the Lieberman web guys did the Hotel wifi!

(The Lamont folks made sure the “blogger room” for the victory party did not have this problem, which is why all the bloggers could post stuff in real time last night. )

{{{{… but didn’t post much stuff last night nevertheless }}}

KIDDING.
Glad you guys had a great party in Meriden !

Like him or hate him, but at least LBJ had the decency to leave the scene when his time was up. IIRC, he disappeard to his Texas Ranch, grew long hair like a hippie, and drank himself to death.

Hmmm…could history repeat itself?

*ilson -

It’s “two times”, I think. I just checked wrt “GoodFellas” and that’s what it says.

Sugar Ray Leonard?

Christy Hardin Smith @ 43

Rob Zuber at 23 — you tell me, then, how the Lieberman campaign’s computers just randomly started spamming themselves if it wasn’t human error? Should we blame the evil computer gremlins sent by political enemies in the fourth dimension? Or perhaps some evil hacker sneaked into the building the night before the day before the election? Or what exactly? Because an internal spam loop had to start somewhere internally…

I caused something similar on a site application I was coding a few months ago in PHP…my module was buggy, and just kept recursively calling itself due to a typo. I broke it so bad I had to go into the SQL and fix it manually just to get the application to even run properly.

I can see how screwing up something involving a web database could do this. But yes, someone either onsite, or with remote access (in other words with userids and passwords) would have to explicitly cause it to start.

the “No mas” guy? Carlos somebody or other

shooogarp

“he disappeard to his Texas Ranch, grew long hair like a hippie, and drank himself to death.

Hmmm…could history repeat itself?”

I’m sure Joe has a standing invitation at a certain pig ranch near Crawford…

punaise @ 101

the “No mas” guy? Carlos somebody or other

Roberto Duran?

Eli - I thought Lamont’s kind words about Lieberman’s service sounded an awful lot like something someone might say at a retirement ceremony.

That’s it! Joe is just holding out for a gold watch and a lifetime parking place.

punaise @ 101

the “No mas” guy? Carlos somebody or other

That was Roberto Duran.

I don’t know how much he’s got saved up from his incompetent primary run, but I expect he’s gonna need all the cash he can lay his hands on.

One of the things we kept reading in the papers in the days before Tuesday was that Joe had tons of money and 10,000 or so troops for his GOTV effort. So we were expecting to see lots of trained JL supporters on Tuesday — and we were briefed on how to handle potential aggressive tactics (be non-aggressive) — but we didn’t see these troops. We were suprised to find that at some places, there was no one there, or even polling places with no Lieberman signs.

There was a theory that with the internal polling, the L folks knew they would lose and had already decided to preserve cash for the next phase. Hence the cover stories of diverting some cash from GOTV to last minute ads.

Without knowing the facts, the L folks put out the claim re their web site that they were sabotaged — which would be reported and become one more argument not for Tuesday but for November. So it’s possible, there was a consistent post primary strategy in effect several days before Tuesday, and everything else was just smoke.

shogarp 97: are you hoping for lieberman, bush, cheney, rumsfeld, or rice with that lovely lbj analogy?

Awww… darn it.

The graphic I just finished would have gone great with this post.

Oh well… it’s up at the NEW and IMPROVED Inflatable Dartboard.

‘Lieberman And The Little Server That Couldn’t’

http://darted.wordpress.com

Now with wordpress freshness!

That’s it! Joe is just holding out for a gold watch and a lifetime parking place.

I actually posted a picture of a nice gold watch over the Lamont quote.

punaise @ 101

the “No mas” guy? Carlos somebody or other

Roberto Duran ; )

http://www.thesweetscience.com.....s-version/

oh yeah: Duran do ran

jayt -

YESSSS! Thank you. From wikipedia:

In 1997, at age 40, Leonard launched his final boxing comeback against former lightweight champion Hector ‘Macho’ Camacho. Years past his prime, Leonard was easily stopped by the smaller, usually light-hitting Camacho in 5 rounds. After this humiliating defeat, it was finally enough for Leonard, and he has not fought since. Later that year, Leonard was inducted into the International Boxing Hall Of Fame.

I wonder how many CT goopers will really embrace Joe. They have been voting against him for as much as thirty years. In a state where they are the minority party only a few will hit the polls in Nov. out of spite for Joe.

Spite vote for Joe. CT thug bumpersticker woohoo..

As in the primary days, none of this adds up. Does Joe have any friends who will tell him the truth? He is an embarassment to any party.

neurophius @ 101

shooogarp

“he disappeard to his Texas Ranch, grew long hair like a hippie, and drank himself to death.

Hmmm…could history repeat itself?”

I’m sure Joe has a standing invitation at a certain pig ranch near Crawford…

Isn’t that where Joe’s 18-year old lipsticked pig resides?

THE CATCH, the photo

But what would be the point of hacking/spamming it anyway? It’s not like it was ever more than a two-bit operation. And since they had the problem several times before, it’s hard to feel sorry for them when they apparently made no serious attempts to protect the integrity of the site, consistent with what one should expect from a candidate for the US Senate.

It was, in my mind, the virtual equivalent of that awful bear ad they put together, the one that looked like a fourth-grade final project.

ME TO ME,

(sorry my dial up toobz is creaky)

It was an honest question. Someone here was expressing a similar argument about the primary and I had replied to that post and I couldn’t remember if it was you. I took the concern seriously then, and I take what you say seriously now. I was a New Yorker when Jacob Javits’ ego ran on the Liberal line for senator in a three way with Liz Holzman and Al D’Amato. The % were D’Amato (45), Holtzman (44), Javits (11). That old ass sucked enough votes from Democrat Liz to give us pot hole Al for — wait for it — 18 years. So, I take Joe’s indy run very seriously. Luckily, right now, the Republican in CN is a weak loser who thankfully does not want out of the race.

I do not have any power over Lieberman, or the people who do, or the definitional messaging about him. I think Lamont will win with a pro-Connecticut, Anti-Bush (and anti-Washington) message regardless what Joe does. Sure, I would like Lieberman out of the race or if not, marginalized. But I am more interested in building a strong positive message for Ned to take to the polls in November. But believe me, I have seen the spoiler at work and I fear the result.

Hmm. Makes perfect sense to me, especially if somebody inside the Liebervolk circle got a worm or malware of some sort that picked up distlists and emailed folks. I thought I’d read someplace that this crew was running without any security software in place, too.

Explains why the email tanked along with the website versus the website alone — especially if they were on the same server. Has anybody got info that clarifies whether this was the case?

Jeebus. Stupid. This is like IT Security 101 stuff they failed.

Even my 73-year-old father knows better than this. Wait, the old man’s retired. Maybe that’s what Joe needs to do to catch up…

I wonder how many CT goopers will really embrace Joe.

70% approval rating in the last statewide Q-Poll. Vs. 66% for Dubya, IIRC. CT Republicans would vote for him more than 2-1 over Schlesinger.

oh well — www.JoeyTwoTimes.com was bought anonymously last February and is parked. www.Liebermania.com is taken by some commercial enterprise … saved me $18.40

*ilson is becoming a toobz mogul

scarecrow said,

“the L folks put out the claim re their web site that they were sabotaged — which would be reported and become one more argument not for Tuesday but for November.”

I’m curious, has anybody heard Joe say anything today or last night to suggest that he’s running in the general election BECAUSE his Web site, and thus his GOTV operation, was sabotaged?

*ilson -

Well, how about JoeyTwoTimer? Everyone will know what that means…

John at 116 — yep, that’s the photo. It’s in Mr. ReddHedd’s office, and is the envy of many a young law clerk. *g* Plus, I got wife points for knowing which game of the World Series it was from, and picking the present out myself as a surprise. Apparently, many women are clueless about baseball and many other sports…just one more advantage of growing up an only child with a dad who watched sports on the weekends. (Infield fly rule, here I come…)

For Baseball afficianados, it was THE THROW, after The Catch that puts this play out of reach of mere humans.

bonzarella @ 106

shogarp 97: are you hoping for lieberman, bush, cheney, rumsfeld, or rice with that lovely lbj analogy?

Here are my votes for the future residences:

Bush: Crawford drinking himself to death

Cheney: Laramie, WY - in January

Rumsfeld: In space with his dastardly father Skeletor

Rice: Damned to ride her supertanker for all eternity

Lieberman: married to Brittney Spears…another wash-up

Suppose Lieberman decides to caucus with the GOP? If he wins with GOP support, it is not impossible that it is because they have made a deal. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are already talking. GOP election support in trade for Joe becoming an independent who caucuses with the GOP and gets a committee chair thrown in. Connecticut voters should be wary of this possiblity. He has shown where his loyalties are.

Monk

LOL I like that computer in your Joe/toobz picture. Is that about a 1981 model?

starlight @ 127

Suppose Lieberman decides to caucus with the GOP? If he wins with GOP support, it is not impossible that it is because they have made a deal. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are already talking. GOP election support in trade for Joe becoming an independent who caucuses with the GOP and gets a committee chair thrown in. Connecticut voters should be wary of this possiblity. He has shown where his loyalties are.

This was my prediction as well. It seems perfectly in character for that petulant, selfish little man.

starlight -

In my opinion, any dem who thinks Lieberman will caucus with them is dumber than a box o rocks. He can’t be trusted AT ALL anymore.

Joey Two Timer.

shooogarp @ 127

bonzarella @ 106

shogarp 97: are you hoping for lieberman, bush, cheney, rumsfeld, or rice with that lovely lbj analogy?

Here are my votes for the future residences:

Bush: Crawford drinking himself to death

Cheney: Laramie, WY - in January

Rumsfeld: In space with his dastardly father Skeletor

Rice: Damned to ride her supertanker for all eternity

excellent. . . and lieberman?

susan @ 75

Yesterday, CNN’s Candy Crowley reported that Leiberman’s web site had been disrupted. She said that dirty tricks might be responsible. She also reported that the Lamont campaign denied any involvment. The kicker: as she ended the piece, she reported that Ned Lamont asked the culprit to please stop.

The implication was that Lamont’s team was somehow involved.

susan — I saw that interview and IIRC, it was slightly different. He said his campaign had nothing to do with any hacking of the JL site, and there is no reason to doubt that. He then said that whoever was hacking (assuming some unknown, non-Lamont campaign person was hacking) should stop. He was NOT implying that anyone from his campaign was involved in any way.

Rayne @ 6:59 pm (#118) - Sorry that I don’t have the link, but someone wrote in a diary over at Kos that the old joe2006.com site had no firewall software. He did a scan of the site, presumably without asking first, and wrote about what he found. It looked like a Microsoft system, i.e., SQL Server, etc. There was also a quote in one of the earlier Justin Rood articles about how the webhost provider had some emergency recovery scheme, and no one from the Lieberman campaign asked to have it installed/used.

So, yes, they really were running it like a bunch of amateurs.

OfT:

FDL and Roots Project, take a bow today. Not for yesterday, for something we all accomplished today. At the beginning of the day, Senator Dianne Feinstein had no position on this race.

Several hours later, after hard work and an ACTION on “State Roots Project CA: Common Californians for the Common Good,” our calls, emails, and FAXes resulted in a statement, on the telephone from the DeeCee office, directly from the press office.

The statement is unwritten, only verbal, and is:

Senator Feinstein will support the Democratic nominee.

I would like to take a moment to recognize all the CA ‘pups and Rootsters who made this happen, with zeal and dedication. While we celebrated NED’s victory, we also petitioned our Senator, and she issued a statement supporting NED. Which did not, to me, seem planned earlier in the day.

Small stones.

Joey Two Bit Two Timer.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 78

punaise at 70 — ahh, but we’ll always have the over-the-back catch. Got my hubby a signed baseball, framed in a shadowbox with a photo of the miracle catch for his birthday several years ago. :)

You are good.

Another icon would be Johnny Unitas.
——-
*ilson -
JL DOS’d me prior.
I’m no B*b*lfisher, but ‘mishugus’ (WBCN - Charles Laquidara ‘Big M&tress’) otherwise ‘no suprise’

Christy Hardin Smith @ 124

John at 116 — yep, that’s the photo. It’s in Mr. ReddHedd’s office, and is the envy of many a young law clerk. *g* Plus, I got wife points for knowing which game of the World Series it was from, and picking the present out myself as a surprise. Apparently, many women are clueless about baseball and many other sports…just one more advantage of growing up an only child with a dad who watched sports on the weekends. (Infield fly rule, here I come…)

good for you Christy - be sure to teach your daughter the following terms:

can o’ corn
Texas leaguer
dying quail
a rope
riding the pine

bonzarella - hit refresh.

Cujo359 @ 133

Rayne @ 6:59 pm (#118) - Sorry that I don’t have the link, but someone wrote in a diary over at Kos that the old joe2006.com site had no firewall software. He did a scan of the site, presumably without asking first, and wrote about what he found. It looked like a Microsoft system, i.e., SQL Server, etc. There was also a quote in one of the earlier Justin Rood articles about how the webhost provider had some emergency recovery scheme, and no one from the Lieberman campaign asked to have it installed/used.

So, yes, they really were running it like a bunch of amateurs.

I think the Republican mentality is that if the Bad Thing can be spun to your advantage, then you don’t really need to exert yourself to prevent it. Yes, I consider Joe a Republican.

scarecrow, your 6:56 is just riveting and scary.
Ned only won by 4%.
If Joe had started distancing himself from Bush a week earlier than he did, do you think he would have won?

punaise #94:

Thanks for reminding yourself so I didn’t have to.

good for you Christy - be sure to teach your daughter the following terms:

can o’ corn
Texas leaguer
dying quail
a rope
riding the pine

A *frozen* rope.

shooogarp @ 139

bonzarella - hit refresh.

ewwwww. . . ’spose she’ll drive him around in her lap when he starts droolin?

al-Scooter @ 141

punaise #94:

Thanks for reminding yourself so I didn’t have to.

pre-emptive strike. oh, and “Beat L.A.! Beat L.A.!” :~)

neurophis @ 129

I’m not sure what year that computer is from… i think Joe used it in college.

http://darted.wordpress.com

-Monk

John Casper - thanks for The Catch links

David Brooks: ‘McCain-Lieberman Party’ still emerging
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0809.html

Who knew???

So who’ll be indicted first, Karl Rove or Barry Bonds?

Big smile today. All day.

RGJoe has a lot of stones for a guy who has lost 3 out of his last 4 elections.
Truly sad, like the schmuck or not. Seeing him go down hard like this - it’s like the smell of burning hair.

All of Lieberman’s wounds are self-inflicted. He’s not worthy of even pity, but the party purge does have to include with the gradual humiliation of the poster-boy.

If anyone in his life actually cares about him, he’ll bow out by the 14th.

punaise @ 135

Christy Hardin Smith @ 124

John at 116 — yep, that’s the photo. It’s in Mr. ReddHedd’s office, and is the envy of many a young law clerk. *g* Plus, I got wife points for knowing which game of the World Series it was from, and picking the present out myself as a surprise. Apparently, many women are clueless about baseball and many other sports…just one more advantage of growing up an only child with a dad who watched sports on the weekends. (Infield fly rule, here I come…)

good for you Christy - be sure to teach your daughter the following terms:

can o’ corn
Texas leaguer
dying quail old man shot in the face by the VP
a rope
riding the pine

Forgive me for the modification….

Anne @
71

Good God…Larry King AND Joe Lieberman together? Have the camera lenses shattered yet?

heeeee.

bonzarella @ 141

shooogarp @ 139

bonzarella - hit refresh.

ewwwww. . . ’spose she’ll drive him around in her lap when he starts droolin?

707!

“He was NOT implying that anyone from his campaign was involved in any way…”

I know that; it was Crowley’s spin on Lamont’s statement. SHE made it sound like somehow Lamont might be involved.

One of the local CT bloggers at MyLeftNutmeg, Maura in CT, had a great observation about this election. She said this Joe was the first Senator to be taken down by a papier mache float.

I think that the CT Dems liked that float so much that they are going to build a float for the Governor’s race and follow Gov. Rendell around in it.

I really liked the Kiss float because it boiled down the issue that we had with Joe into one devastating visual that was easily communicated to the voters. I hope that CT Dems follows through with their float idea for the Governor’s race and gets her butt kicked to the curb just like they did with Joe.

This election has done so much to empower the CT Dems. As I was listening to some local activists up in CT I can say that they are going full bore to sweep all five big races that includes the Governorship, the Senate and three Congressional Districts that are held by Republicans. There is a confidence and a can do spirit that just oozes from them now. Joe was a drag on the party and Lamont winning will help these races much more Joe ever could. The sooner Joe drops his pathetic campaign the sooner CT is going to kick some republican ass in the congressional elections.

I guess I spoke too soon about Gerstein, it seems he was one of the few promoted to First Officer on the RMS Titanic. That’s fine, maybe he won’t ever be able to get the stench of double failure out.

starlight/Eli

But…but…but Joe is a Democrat. I heard him say so!

shoogarp - LOL

al-Scooter @ 147

So who’ll be indicted first, Karl Rove or Barry Bonds?

It’s a tie for “never”.

Isn’t Joe a lawyer?

Maybe we should take up a collection to send him on a quail hunting vacation with Cheney.

Eli @ 158

al-Scooter @ 147

So who’ll be indicted first, Karl Rove or Barry Bonds?

It’s a tie for “never”.

So they both have enough juice to skate?

Sometimes, when I get caught up in the moment of helping my party (Dems) win, I have to pause and take stock of what I want from my party. I want compassion, sympathy and empathy. I want food on the tables and in the bellies of the kids whose folks, for whatever reason cannot deliver the goods. I want health care for everyone. A decent wage and safe working conditions for those that toil. I want child care for every woman and man who needs it and can’t afford it. I want a hand-up for our old and disabled. I want a place for the homeless to live in dignity. And enough teachers and pencils, paper and books for the kids. I want free hot lunches for children so they can better learn their lessons in the afternoon. I want environmental controls so our kids will breathe easy and drink clear water. I want corporate tax loop-holes closed and public financing of elections. I want my party to work full steam toward peace. And many other things. The short of it is: I want almost everything, that America is capable of. But most of all, what I want from my party is understanding of what needs doing and helping those in need.

neurophius @ 155

starlight/Eli

But…but…but Joe is a Democrat. I heard him say so!

And when was the last time he said something that was true?

Does anyone know if Richard Blumenthal, the CT AG (and a Lieberman supporter) is moving ahead with the investigation of the Liebersite meltdown? And a corollary question, as a supporter of Lieberman, can Blumenthal conduct an impartial inquiry? If not, should he not recuse himself from the investigation? I have not heard anyone in the MSM bring up this question, nor any blogs.

shoogarp
707

So they both have enough juice to skate?

I think so. I think they’re both too slimy to get taken down. The more I wish it, the less likely it is to occur.

Scarecrow way up at 59

We were all experiencing performance problems here, at Kos and at mydd yesterday.

Or I should say that I was, and I saw other reports elsewhere. Lotsa page views yesterday.

neurophius @ 122

scarecrow said,

“the L folks put out the claim re their web site that they were sabotaged — which would be reported and become one more argument not for Tuesday but for November.”

I’m curious, has anybody heard Joe say anything today or last night to suggest that he’s running in the general election BECAUSE his Web site, and thus his GOTV operation, was sabotaged?

Well, he invited America to go to his website, “when it was unhacked,” in his concessionaire speech last night. And sorry, I don’t have a link for that. heh

I agree with the value of the Kiss float.

But it will need to be remade out of fibreglass or something if it needs to go into service until November.

If Joe does bow out, semi gracefully, then they should donate it to the Smithsonian.

Or sell it on eBay! ;o)

as of this very minute, the following is still posted at www.Joe2006.com

UPDATE ON THE ATTACK ON THE LIEBERMAN CAMPAIGN WEBSITE

STATEMENT FROM SEAN SMITH: “For the past 24 hours the Friends for Joe Lieberman’s website and email has been totally disrupted and disabled, we believe that this is the result of a coordinated attack by our political opponents. The campaign has notified the US Attorney and the Connecticut Chief State’s Attorney and the campaign will be filing a formal complaint reflecting our concerns. The campaign has also notified the State Attorney General Dick Blumenthal for his review.”

“We call on Ned Lamont to make an unqualified statement denouncing this kind of dirty campaign trick and to demand whoever is responsible to cease and desist immediately. Any attempt to suppress voter participation and undermine the voting process on Election Day is deplorable and has no place in our democracy.”

immanentize @ 119

I was a New Yorker when Jacob Javits’ ego ran on the Liberal line for senator in a three way with Liz Holzman and Al D’Amato. The % were D’Amato (45), Holtzman (44), Javits (11). That old ass sucked enough votes from Democrat Liz to give us pot hole Al for — wait for it — 18 years. So, I take Joe’s indy run very seriously. Luckily, right now, the Republican in CN is a weak loser who thankfully does not want out of the race.

I do not have any power over Lieberman, or the people who do, or the definitional messaging about him. I think Lamont will win with a pro-Connecticut, Anti-Bush (and anti-Washington) message regardless what Joe does. Sure, I would like Lieberman out of the race or if not, marginalized. But I am more interested in building a strong positive message for Ned to take to the polls in November. But believe me, I have seen the spoiler at work and I fear the result.

Some of my friends here cited that incident as a reason to try and talk me out of going to connecticut.

Barry Bonds, former Pittsburgh Pirate

I believe the spin re: the site being hacked, was in case the vote was really close.

I also believe the results coming in very late from Hartford, where Lieberman was supposed to do VERY well, and the mayor is a strident supporter, were also in case it was very close.

Luckily, we beat him by enough where neither scumbag strategy could be implemented.

punaise @ 170

Barry Bonds, former Pittsburgh Pirate

The day he left was the day I stopped rooting against them.

Christy - I won’t rub anything in about the Dodgers vs. Giants rivalry. I’ll just say that the first major league baseball game I went to was when I was six years old - the 1965 World Series. I saw Sandy Koufax pitch. Big crush on Sandy.

OH, and Joe Loserman is still an alter cocker.

(Only Yiddishe works in situations like these).

Can’t call Joe a DINO any more. Maybe an *INO?

al-Scooter @ 174

Can’t call Joe a DINO any more. Maybe an *INO?

An IINO? A CFLINO?

punaise @
94

Christy Hardin Smith @ 77

punaise at 70 — ahh, but we’ll always have the over-the-back catch. Got my hubby a signed baseball, framed in a shadowbox with a photo of the miracle catch for his birthday several years ago. :)

a thing of beauty, that catch. 1954 World Series* vs. the Cleveland Indians - a drive by Vic Wertz, IIRC.

(I remember Mays, McCovey, Cepeda, and Marichal in SF, mid 60s. Gaylord Paerry, Jimmy Ray Hart, Jim Davenport, Tito Fuentes, the Alou brothers.)

*Dodger fans may refrain from reminding us Giants fans that the Giants haven’t won a World Series since then….

Oh, yummy childhood memories. I met Tito, Jimmy and Hal Lanier at a cocktail party long after their playing days, and told them how happy I was to meet them. Jimmy and Hal we’re surprised and happy that someone remembered them.

The short of it is: I want almost everything, that America is capable of. But most of all, what I want from my party is understanding of what needs doing and helping those in need.

truth

al-Scooter @ 173

Can’t call Joe a DINO any more. Maybe an *INO?

How about a WHINO?

Bionic at 168 - It is my understanding that there is a local political museum. I’m betting that it’ll end up there at the end of this campaign.

I think that Rendell is going to get her very own special float just for her. It should be good.

Somehow the Kiss float needs to morp into a Kiss and Joey TurnCoat
Two Timer. How about a mechanical Joe revolving around in front
of Bush. On his back it says “I’ll Betray You-Don’t trust me”
On the Front it says “I love Bush.” It could even swivel at the hips
and bend over in front of Bush. Any ideas out there? This float
has to keep on giving and follow the bastard!

*ilson #169:

I’m afraid Sean Smith was too busy outprocessing today to update their hacksite.

Eli @ 173

punaise @ 170

Barry Bonds, former Pittsburgh Pirate

The day he left was the day I stopped rooting against them.

sigh. the guy’s a jerk, but also an amazing athlete. At what point do I discount the accomplishments based on probable steroid use? Do we throw out witnessing HR #500 at the park with my son on his birthday?

Anyone know when the next CT poll comes out?

sigh. the guy’s a jerk, but also an amazing athlete. At what point do I discount the accomplishments based on probable steroid use? Do we throw out witnessing HR #500 at the park with my son on his birthday?

Was it before or after 1999? That was when he started using, as I understand. I think he’s a legit 500-HR guy, just not a 700-HR one.

al-Scooter

No, he’s a Connecticut for Liebermanian. I know, it’s long, awkward and suggestive, but Joe insisted.

I shot this at the old Arlington Stadium in Texas before the game warming up. This was Jose Conseco’s first game there as a Texas Ranger. That’s his roid buddy Rafael Palmeiro in front of him. Look where his hand is (or isn’t?) LOL ; )

http://i67.photobucket.com/alb.....onseco.jpg

*ATBINO’s a syllable too long, though it might describe the folks at his concession speech, too.

sam 179 -

Hah! Maybe it should be a double image of Joe hugging himself with a loop of “Party of One… Vote for me!” “Joe for Joe!” “My party… all mine preciousss!” stuff like that.

Punaise - Did you have to remind me that Barry Bonds used to play for the Pirates?! I’m betting that he started steroids after choking in two consective Pittsburgh playoffs. What a jerk.

The Mets won again tonight.

WHINE-O

UPtownNYchick,

Huh? I take the exact opposite message from your friends. You di absolutely th eright thing helping Ned. Liz’ people did not think that Javits would get to 11% and she was pretty complaicent. AND D’Amato had the whole of the old Long Island Republican machine plus the natural old-timey upstate republicans (my parents, fyi) to count on. He ran a decent inside straight and Liz sat back and LOST.

Good on you for fighting, because that is the lesson of the Javits story. Tell your friends to buy you dinner at Metropolis.

lisadawn82 @ 189

Punaise - Did you have to remind me that Barry Bonds used to play for the Pirates?! I’m betting that he started steroids after choking in two consective Pittsburgh playoffs. What a jerk.

Actually, it was after the 1998 season where McGwire and Sosa were idolized during their Maris chase. He decided he wanted some of that action.

Pachacutec @ 190

The Mets won again tonight.

Ex-cellent. Mets win, but Piazza hits 2 HR. I couldn’t ask for anything more.

I don’t think Bush kissed a lot of Republicans, but photos with President Shrub will be almost as radioactive as “the kiss.”

Dave Latchaw @ 177

Oh, yummy childhood memories. I met Tito, Jimmy and Hal Lanier at a cocktail party long after their playing days, and told them how happy I was to meet them. Jimmy and Hal we’re surprised and happy that someone remembered them.

of course - Hal Lanier - how could I forget! and Dick Dietz and Tom Haller (except he went to the Dodgers. or was it vice versa?)

And then there was the summer evening in about 1970 or so, I was “camping out” on the back porch listening to the Giants game on the radio. Some rookie named Bobby Bonds came up and crushed a grand slam in his first at-bat, IIRC.

punaise @ 48

LindaR @ 35

I don’t like Gwen Ifil, but she just made me laugh. At the end of her interview with Lieberman, he said something like “I look forward to talking to you again through this exciting campaign.” The hmph she gave him was short, dismissive, and a little contemptuous.

As I said, I don’t like her much, but Gwen Ifil is a reliable conduit of the CW; and there it was, in a half-second snort.

I heard that on the radio, too; it was good for a chortle.

I’ve never been a big Ifil fan, but I was never a not-fan either. I guess you could have called me neutral in a bored sort of way. But when TRex told us how kind and welcoming she was to him when they met, I gained a whole lot of respect for her. And I’ll bet she wasn’t too keen on HoJo dissing Maxine Waters either. Keep on using that “these people” line, Joe. See where it gets you once you’re outside the safe confines of Imus or Larry King.

John Casper @ 195

I don’t think Bush kissed a lot of Republicans, but photos with President Shrub will be almost as radioactive as “the kiss.”

Democratic candidates need to hang the Dubyatross around the necks of their opponents every chance they get.

Bionic @ 160

Isn’t Joe a lawyer?

Maybe we should take up a collection to send him on a quail hunting vacation with Cheney.

Where do we send our doughnations?

Maybe BushCo wants Hadassah to run and keep the seat. If I were Joe, I wouldn’t get on any little planes.

Whiny Joe’s website has been down for over 2 days now — can you imagine Amazon or CNN or NYTimes being offline that long?

immanentize @ 195

UPtownNYchick,
nt inside straight and Liz sat back and LOST.

Good on you for fighting, because that is the lesson of the Javits story. Tell your friends to buy you dinner at Metropolis.

I made a bet that if we could beat Lieberman in the primary they had to donate to Lamont. A couple a corp. lawyers and a couple investment bankers. Three of them said they made good today. I’d rather have a new Senator than a good dinner.

*ilson46201 @ 201

Whiny Joe’s website has been down for over 2 days now — can you imagine Amazon or CNN or NYTimes being offline that long?

No, just Blogger.com.

Cozumel at 188 — great pic.

Re: the float. . . what about superimposing Joe and W on Gustav Klimt’s The Kiss?

It could go on the side of the float. Lots of glitter woudl be needed.

cujo359 — that’s the bit I read, thanks for that. Without firewall software they were WIDE OPEN and were freaking lucky not to have been hacked before election day. So damned lucky that one has to question the odds of this happening on this day rather than on any other day.

I’ve had problems with folks running “naked” without firewalls or antivirus/antimalware protection on their machines, ended up completely hosed because Sober had been pushed at them via email or some other crap through an open port. What I’ve read so far almost sounds like a Sober attack, since Sober self-mails after being opened. If Sober found an internal distlist, it’d keep mailing.

If this was a Sober attack, wonder what the subject line was and who opened it? You can imagine these frantic people opening everything they received on Election Day without even thinking about it…

punaise @ 7:19 pm (#182) - I think he would have hit #500 by now anyway. He was a good hitter early in his career, which is before most folks suspect he started using steroids. My guess is that he’d be passing Mike Schmidt or Reggie Jackson about now on the HR list instead of Babe Ruth.

Of course, there’s no way to know for sure.

John Casper — who knows. I went into Tuesday thinking “They’ve got us outnumbered,” but I also knew from the previous 3-4 days of canvassing that our supporters were committed — these people wanted a reason to vote how they felt, towards Bush, towards Lieberman, about Lamont — about equal shares. Bush and Lieberman handed us the first two; Lamont’s decency, and his maturing, which you saw fully on tonight’s Hardball segment, did most of the rest.

But in the final analysis, I’m convinced that Jane’s coming to Connecticut was the difference in winning. She saw how important it was from the beginning, and she made the link to the Ct bloggers and empowered them, and she saw and reported first what we all came to see in Lamont — you can’t help it; the guy just blows you away in person, and that’s before you meet that family — and she hung in there during all that concern troll criticism she took for FDL becoming “all Lamont, all the time.” Haven’t heard much of that lately, have we?

And then Christy picked it up and did her thing, as only she can do, and the rest of progressive bloggerville got in/on line until everyone showed up on Tuesday, as though it had been their idea from the beginning — and it sorta was in different ways.

God, I’m glad our ladies of the lake are smarter than I am. I woudn’t have missed seeing that party and his speech on national tv for the world. And it was fun watching the reporters pre-party all interviewing themselves, and trying to explain to their audience how every thing they had said for the last 8 months was now about to be proven wrong! Priceless. Now how does one repay a debt like that?

Eli @ 185

sigh. the guy’s a jerk, but also an amazing athlete. At what point do I discount the accomplishments based on probable steroid use? Do we throw out witnessing HR #500 at the park with my son on his birthday?

Was it before or after 1999? That was when he started using, as I understand. I think he’s a legit 500-HR guy, just not a 700-HR one.

Well said Eli.

UptownNYChick #203:

You took lunch money off a couple of ibankers? Good on ya!

nothing should take away from the memory of that day, though, punaise. the day was about you and your son, and Bonds was just there. nothing that happens to Bonds can diminish that memory of that day.

Hope, you still here?

I love my video camera. I just noticed last year at a family wedding that people had video cams that didn’t require a suitcase of their own. :)

Anyhoo, mine is the Panasonic Digital Video Cam, model number PV-GS16, for which I found good reviews on the inter-toobz, and a great price on it at Costco.

I bought it last summer, so the model numbers may have changed some.

It’s idiot-proof, nice and compact, cost between $200 and $300, and is easy to use.

When do you leave, Friday?

Only one possible conclusion:

The Lamont campaign had better host Lieberman’s website so they don’t try this chicanery again.

Why does Lieberman need a website up now? He’s washed up. Kos echoed what I was pointing out: Lieberman has to build his own operation from scratch. He’s got nothing. And since this is all about ego, how will Lieberman manage to endure having nobody around worshipping his presence?

Unless the GOP throw resources at him, Lieberman won’t last until November. I’d be surprised if he makes it to the end of August.

Sorry I didn’t get a chance to “meet” you in CT, scarecrow. :(

TeddySanFran @ 212

nothing should take away from the memory of that day, though, punaise. the day was about you and your son, and Bonds was just there. nothing that happens to Bonds can diminish that memory of that day.

Teddy, you said it sooner and better than I.

Please have a look at the psyops piece from Republican National Committee,
posted a few hours ago at GOP.com

There’s a short video clip titled:

“FROM FDR TO NED LAMONT:

THE DEMOCRAT PARTY’S TRANSFORMATION FROM STRENGTH TO WEAKNESS
The Democrats Made Their Choice, Now Make Yours.
Click here and get the facts.”

poster for the video has progressive heads from left:

Howard Dean - looking like Adolf Hitler
Markos - looking like a high school senior
Ned Lamont - front and center
Michael Moore - baseball cap & beard
Jack Murtha

The facts:

Democrat Transformation Strength to Weakness
Democrats Weak on Defense
Connecticut Voters Ignore Joe’s Storied Career

Following: the usual bullshit talking points outlined in detail

This piece is blatant, crudely done on the run,
directed at authoritarian follower types.

Do you know anyone who would buy this?

UptownNychick

I’d rather have a new Senator than a good dinner.

Man, you are an idealist, aren’t you! But why is it an either/or proposition? Get the contribution AND the dinner.

well, I have a website for Joe!

www.Team-Connecticut.com or
www.LiebermanForConnecticut.com

Debates were mentioned upthread, and I was wondering about that as well. Why would Lamont want debates, especially with stinkyman there? Two-man debates, and stinkyman can commentate the debate for FOX!

Rayne @ 7:26 pm (#205) - After re-reading all the TPM articles on the subject, I’m convinced it could have been anything. They were hacked at least once before, and clearly not by Lamont people, I’d say. Apparently, they did nothing to protect the site afterward.

Human error is still what I’m betting on. There was plenty of it available in that project.

immanentize @ 206

Cozumel at 188 — great pic.

That’s a digital pic of a 35mm photo, thus the poor quality. I’ve got negative. The National Enquirer wasn’t interested though *sigh* lol

It was a long shot and they were about 10 feet away from each other. It just looks funny ; )

Rayne@207-Running naked?! What is this, Wimbledon? Actually I knew a guy in college who used to love to streak home from the bars. As a pledge we had to carry his clothes.

Ah, Eli. . .if you’re a Mets fan you’re a good soul.

Not like Amato, that Yankee bastard.

neurophius @ 129

Monk

LOL I like that computer in your Joe/toobz picture. Is that about a 1981 model?

It’s an Osbourne-1 or its follow-on, from circa 1981. Wikipedia linkie

justintime @ 217

Please have a look at the psyops piece from Republican National Committee,
posted a few hours ago at GOP.com

There’s a short video clip titled:

“FROM FDR TO NED LAMONT:

THE DEMOCRAT PARTY’S TRANSFORMATION FROM STRENGTH TO WEAKNESS
The Democrats Made Their Choice, Now Make Yours.
Click here and get the facts.”

poster for the video has progressive heads from left:

Howard Dean - looking like Adolf Hitler
Markos - looking like a high school senior
Ned Lamont - front and center
Michael Moore - baseball cap & beard
Jack Murtha

The facts:

Democrat Transformation Strength to Weakness
Democrats Weak on Defense
Connecticut Voters Ignore Joe’s Storied Career

Following: the usual bullshit talking points outlined in detail

This piece is blatant, crudely done on the run,
directed at authoritarian follower types.

Do you know anyone who would buy this?

you said it yourself: authoritarian follower types.

Rayne,

Sober is the best theory I have heard so far — that could have come from anywhere — including Sober-generated email off another compromised server.

immanentize @ 221

UptownNychick

I’d rather have a new Senator than a good dinner.

Man, you are an idealist, aren’t you! But why is it an either/or proposition? Get the contribution AND the dinner.

I guess I am, but today, it feels good to be one.

Pachacutec @ 224

Ah, Eli. . .if you’re a Mets fan you’re a good soul.

Not like Amato, that Yankee bastard.

I, ah, actually like both. Giants and Jets, too. Giants most of all out of the four, though.

TeddySanFran @ 226

justintime @ 217

Please have a look at the psyops piece from Republican National Committee,
posted a few hours ago at GOP.com

There’s a short video clip titled:

“FROM FDR TO NED LAMONT:

THE DEMOCRAT PARTY’S TRANSFORMATION FROM STRENGTH TO WEAKNESS
The Democrats Made Their Choice, Now Make Yours.
Click here and get the facts.”

poster for the video has progressive heads from left:

Howard Dean - looking like Adolf Hitler
Markos - looking like a high school senior
Ned Lamont - front and center
Michael Moore - baseball cap & beard
Jack Murtha

The facts:

Democrat Transformation Strength to Weakness
Democrats Weak on Defense
Connecticut Voters Ignore Joe’s Storied Career

Following: the usual bullshit talking points outlined in detail

This piece is blatant, crudely done on the run,
directed at authoritarian follower types.

Do you know anyone who would buy this?

you said it yourself: authoritarian follower types.

If you say so.

*ilson46201 @ 203

Whiny Joe’s website has been down for over 2 days now — can you imagine Amazon or CNN or NYTimes being offline that long?

Oh, man. We only spend a couple of hundred dollars a month on ours, but if goes down for as much as two hours, we are completely screwed as far as getting our numbers for the day.

Two days? As Christy says “You’ve got to be kidding me!”

justintime @ 7:30 pm (#216) - Just from that snippet I’ve figured out that they don’t know the difference between facts and conclusions.

Giants and Jets? what about the Sharks? and Maria?

Barry Bonds HR #500 04-17-2001

pitcher: Terry Adams (Dodgers)

*ilson46201 @ 233

Giants and Jets? what about the Sharks? and Maria?

I’m pretty sure the Sharks were in Miami, although LT did play for them. And Wellington Maria was a great, Hall-Of-Fame owner.

Eli:

Don’t give me this bipartisan shit. On football, ok, no problem. But not baseball. Not in NY.

scarecrow at 7:27. I agree 100%.
You can’t put a price on what Jane and Christy did starting in January.
Ned never gets to 33% to force the primary without them. IMO, one of Joe’s larger errors, after that, was “Plan B.” That’s what persuaded MSNBC to broadcast the Debate. That also told a lot of Joe’s supporters that they could wait for November.
I think when the next poll results arrive, you’re going to see significant erosion in Joe’s support. People were willing to say that they would vote for him in the General, before they knew Ned, and before Joe lost to him in the Primary.

TeddySanFran @ 219

Debates were mentioned upthread, and I was wondering about that as well. Why would Lamont want debates, especially with stinkyman there? Two-man debates, and stinkyman can commentate the debate for FOX!

Ned reply to a debate request: “I have already ran against, debated, and defeated Joe Lieberman. I have better things to do with my time…like debate my Republican opponet.”

on Kos homepage

“As Teddy Roosevelt once explained, ‘My power vanishes into thin air the instant that my fellow citizens, who are straight and honest, cease to believe that I represent them and fight for what is straight and honest. That is all the strength that I have.’”

– Joe Lieberman, in his Clinton censure speech on the Senate floor, 9.3.98

Pachacutec @ 236

Eli:

Don’t give me this bipartisan shit. On football, ok, no problem. But not baseball. Not in NY.

Might have something to do with being a transplant for almost half my life…

Eli, don’t make Gilliard get medieval on your ass. Fuck the fuckin’Yankees.

cujo359 — oh, most def, it was human error.

Human error not to have a firewall (and other security software/hardware in place).
Human error not to have adequate IT staff.
Human error not to have fail-over.
Human error not to have a Plan B, C disaster recovery plan.
Human error not to have appropriate level of training among staff for rapid response in case of disaster, let alone on day-to-day IT operations.
Human error to make accusations immediately without having adequately addressed the previous matters FIRST.

All of it, gross human error. There’s no way I’d give Lieberman the keys to my ratty old ‘92 pickup truck for a test drive, let alone vote for the guy to be my Senator. On the matter of competence, Nutmeggers, I have to say I’m glad I have other Senators. At least there’s ample hope in Ned. GO NED!!!

Eli:

That would do it. You’re not a native. That’s your only out!

You think I’m bad on this, you should hear Gilliard.

IMO, one of Joe’s larger errors, after that, was “Plan B.” That’s what persuaded MSNBC to broadcast the Debate. That also told a lot of Joe’s supporters that they could wait for November.

Plan B was a colossal mistake. It sent two messages: Lamont is a credible candidate, and Joe doesn’t give a shit about the Democratic party.

Pachacutec @ 243

Eli:

That would do it. You’re not a native. That’s your only out!

You think I’m bad on this, you should hear Gilliard.

You people are hardcore. I just want a Subway Series every year - is that too much to ask?

and the rest of progressive bloggerville got in/on line until everyone showed up on Tuesday, as though it had been their idea from the beginning

Scarecrow — I noticed that as well. reminds me of the beginning of Mailer’s Armies of the Night where he is in DC at an anti-war rally and he wants to get arrested quick so he can get bailed out in time to get back to NYC for a really fine party that evening.

al-Scooter @ 218

TeddySanFran @ 212

nothing should take away from the memory of that day, though, punaise. the day was about you and your son, and Bonds was just there. nothing that happens to Bonds can diminish that memory of that day.

Teddy, you said it sooner and better than I.

My memory needed to look up the box score to see Sox beat Lolich, K*line et al 1969. Great night. Period.

http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....6907080BOS

First Fenway game ever for this fan. Just me and Dad. Priceless.

CHS and punaise,

First major league game I attended: Giants vs. Cards, 1965. Giants starter was Warren Spahn. Perry came in for a few middle relief innings (Spahny washed out early). The Cards catcher won the game though - final score 3-2 - by blocking the winning run in the top 9th and then batting in the winning run in the bottom 9th. The Cards cather? Bob Uecker.

Willie Mays lost his cap running down a rainbow fly in deep center field.

I became a Giant fan that day. Fell in love with Koufax but loathed the Dodgers.

Christy,
Add in:
hit for the cycle
in his wheelhouse
around the horn

btw, Sean Smith apparently was adamant that Joe should not announce plan B.

Joe fired him today.

Urban Pirate — where were you working from?

Nah, I grew up hating the Yankees-Reggie, Billy, Guidry, etc. The Bronx Zoo.

Eli: It’s tribal.

My people were from Brooklyn. Dodger fans. This is incompatible with anything Yankee, in perpetuity. I was baptized a Catholic and a Met fan. My first words wre “Mama” and “Cleon Jones.” I’m still a met fan. The Catholicism is long gone.

no Purina LieberChow for the trolls, please!

I took my son to his first game in Fenway Park when he was thirteen months old. Lowe pitched a no-hitter. Now THAT is a way to start a life-long baseball romance.

Jeez—over 100,000 unique visitors in less than 18 hours. What…did something big happen yesterday?

Feed the trolls? I’d rather eat the trolls.

Rayne @ 7:38 pm (#241) - If they’d wanted to go cheap, they probably could have gone without two or three of those items, but not all. And if they did go without some items, they’d better not have been Plan B or Plan C.

Clearly though, they decided to go without any. As you’ve said, that’s gross stupidity unless the only use they wanted to make of their website was something like this. In which case, it would have been strangely appropriate.

Scarecrow, I was working out of the Norwalk office.

I made it up to Meriden last night, but not until about 10:30.

sheesh — doesnt anybody want to discuss the Solti vs Keilberth stereo Rings ?

Pach, nice one on Cleon Jones! Iwas at the Diamond Club at Shea in July and they had all the old pictures-Koosman, Matlack, Grote, Kranepool, Wayne Garrett, Don Clendenon, and of course Tom Terrific. Before M Donald Grunt decided to screw up the team for a decade.

Urban Pirate @ 251

btw, Sean Smith apparently was adamant that Joe should not announce plan B.

Joe fired him today.

Someone blogged (maybe MyDD) that Joe’s early announcement that he was goin’ indy cost him 5% or, if you prefer, the primary.

Cujo359 @ 234

justintime @ 7:30 pm (#216) - Just from that snippet I’ve figured out that they don’t know the difference between facts and conclusions.

Authoritarian followers seem to be immune to logic and common sense.
Will they ever get it?
Can they even be helped?
Can this blatant propaganda be countered?

I haven’t been to the Diamond Club in maybe 30 years. Heh. Bob Murphy, god bless ‘im, was short.

*ilson46201 @ 7:42 pm (#252) - It would seem you’re getting rid of them before I can feed them. Good job.

Pachacutec @ 252

Eli: It’s tribal.

My people were from Brooklyn. Dodger fans. This is incompatible with anything Yankee, in perpetuity. I was baptized a Catholic and a Met fan. My first words wre “Mama” and “Cleon Jones.” I’m still a met fan. The Catholicism is long gone.

Well, see, I grew up in Manhattan, with parents who were completely oblivious to sports.

immanentize from Late-Nite: Good taste in music? Moi? You sir are a gentleman (as evinced by your comments here), and a scholar (as demonstrated by your knowledge of Soviet-era time zones.) :p

never ever eat trolls — it’s the opposite of the Apple of the Tree of Knowledge — one little nibble off a troll will make you STOOPID !

imm = but how could he have collected the signatures if he didn’t announce?

what a catch-22 that little problem was!

immanentize @ 263

Urban Pirate @ 251

btw, Sean Smith apparently was adamant that Joe should not announce plan B.

Joe fired him today.

Someone blogged (maybe MyDD) that Joe’s early announcement that he was goin’ indy cost him 5% or, if you prefer, the primary.

Yep, Old Joe sure has a knack.

Pachacutec @ 263

I haven’t been to the Diamond Club in maybe 30 years. Heh. Bob Murphy, god bless ‘im, was short.

Best. Voice. Ever. Much as I love Vin Scully and Mel Allen and Jack Buck, Bob Murphy was my all-time favorite.

Murphy was great, and so was Lindsey Nelson, even though he called games for the Domers. Kiner was ok, but I hear he likes to throw a few back.

*ilson46201 @ 267

never ever eat trolls — it’s the opposite of the Apple of the Tree of Knowledge — one little nibble off a troll will make you STOOPID !

Dubya likes ‘em buttered.

I miss the “happy recap.”

Don’t make me weep like a big ol gurrl.

Poor Joe was never challenged in a Primary once he won the first time. He had no idea how to act. He still has no idea.

And wtf, no one wants to debate who would win a war, the Empire (from Star Wars) or the Borg (from Star Trek)???

immanentize — I didn’t mean that as a criticism — lots of them had been talking about and hoping for something like this, and that laid some groundwork; some picked up on Lamont but didn’t link as well to the Ct blogs — but I credit Jane for helping/forcing everyone to recognize that Lamont was what they/we were talking about, and focus on this one race as a means to energize the national debate.

When Matthews got blown away by Lamont tonight, that was a huge thing to happen to the party; Lamont’s victory speech handed them the campaign theme for November for most parts of the country.

Blank Kludge #248:

My father married late and was well along in years when I was born. We never really had that much rapport, but baseball was our lingua franca. He was a clubhouse boy for the Pirates during the Pie Traynor era, saw Walter Johnson pitch in the World Series, knew Joe Cronan, etc.

I met Bill Mazeroski in 1957, when he played for the Hollywood Stars, who were the Pirates’ AAA affiliate. He was making maybe $7K a year then. How times have changed.

I’ll always love the game for him, and for it being a connection to the 19th Century: cerebral, played at the right pace for the summer.

OldCoastie @ 270

imm = but how could he have collected the signatures if he didn’t announce?

what a catch-22 that little problem was!

He would have had to make a principled stand, while at the same time resolving to act like a man if it didn’t go his way.

WMAMAAAAHAHAHAHA. I just p*ssed myself. :)

The Yankees are for rich people. They represent the ruling class, winning by buying the best. Sure, they’re all superstars. But that’s not baseball, that’s elitism. It’s like having only ice cream for every meal.

I say this a Minnesota Twins fan, one of the small market teams. But man, when they’re in the hunt it feels good. Like this year.

What’s wrong with the ‘53 Keilberth mono Ring?

Twisted Martini @ 271

Murphy was great, and so was Lindsey Nelson, even though he called games for the Domers. Kiner was ok, but I hear he likes to throw a few back.

Nelson was before my time. I like Kiner, but his voice doesn’t make me happy like Murphy’s did. I watched a Mets broadcast recently, and it seems like he’s in decline, which saddens me.

Good night y’all! It’s always a pleasure.

Teddy SF @ 213 - thanks!

more baseball slang:
a little chin music
pitching with gas
the alley(s)
guarding the line
lob a grenade into left (or right) field
hit a flare
on the black
hey, blue!

And wtf, no one wants to debate who would win a war, the Empire (from Star Wars) or the Borg (from Star Trek)???

Empire. Death Star could just pick off the Borg cubes one by one.

OldCoastie @ 270

imm = but how could he have collected the signatures if he didn’t announce?

what a catch-22 that little problem was!

My understanding is that a large number of the signatures (only 7000 needed) was gathered in private meetings of supporters and their employees. There really was no need to announce such a process — it could have gone under the radar and if detected, the campaign could have claimed it was simply the work of devoted fans, not Joe himself.

FWIW,

I was once a member of the “Official New York Yankees Haters Club”.

My dad lived in Brooklyn during the 30’s when he attended Columbia. Filled my young heart with stories of the Dodgers. He wasn’t to keen on the Yanks so I followed him there, into Yankee-haters-ville. He told me stores about the Negro League too - he was a big fan. I didn’t believe him because I couldn’t imagine a game without Willie Mays. I was sure he was making it up.

Oh, and I have an Mays autography I got from him personally in 1981. He was at a TV station promoting a local civic event. Word of his arrival blazed through the halls. I dropped what I was doing and sped across the building, breathlessly greeting him, grabbing his hand and thanking him for helping me fall in love with the greatest game ever.

He looked at me, then looked at his host and said, “Was this child born before I retired?”

Am I off topic?

Obs topic: Lieberman struck out swinging and now stands at the plate, arguing with the ump like a chump. Hey, Joe! We all saw you miss that slider! Sit down, bus driver!

My grandfather was born in Kansas and lived here all his life. He used to say he was a Dodgers fan. Why? Because either his father, or his grandfather, had once lived in Brooklyn.

immanentize @
281

What’s wrong with the ‘53 Keilberth mono Ring?

nothing except lack of stereophonicity … but I just acquired the ‘51 mono Knappertsbusch Goetterdammerung

scarecrow @ 277

immanentize — I didn’t mean that as a criticism — lots of them had been talking about and hoping for something like this, and that laid some groundwork; some picked up on Lamont but didn’t link as well to the Ct blogs — but I credit Jane for helping/forcing everyone to recognize that Lamont was what they/we were talking about, and focus on this one race as a means to energize the national debate.

When Matthews got blown away by Lamont tonight, that was a huge thing to happen to the party; Lamont’s victory speech handed them the campaign theme for November for most parts of the country.

You’re spot on with both of these assessments.

And, how about that Ned?!?!?!

We’re privy to history, folks.

So would this be the right thread to brag on my softball game tonight? 5-for-6, home run, two (bases-loaded) triples, 4 runs, 9 RBI? If I just could have stayed put on second for one of the triples, I would have had my first cycle…

Christy — BTW, meant to say thanks for the Black Knight bit.

ARTHUR: I command you as King of the Britons to stand aside!
BLACK KNIGHT: I move for no man.
ARTHUR: So be it!
[hah]
[parry thrust]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT’s left arm off]
ARTHUR: Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
BLACK KNIGHT: ‘Tis but a scratch.
ARTHUR: A scratch? Your arm’s off!
BLACK KNIGHT: No, it isn’t.
ARTHUR: Well, what’s that then?
BLACK KNIGHT: I’ve had worse.
ARTHUR: You liar!
BLACK KNIGHT: Come on you pansy!
[hah]
[parry thrust]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT’s right arm off]
ARTHUR: Victory is mine!
[kneeling]
We thank thee Lord, that in thy merc-
[hah]
BLACK KNIGHT: Come on then.
ARTHUR: What?
BLACK KNIGHT: Have at you!
ARTHUR: You are indeed brave, Sir knight, but the fight is mine.
BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, had enough, eh?
ARTHUR: Look, you stupid bastard, you’ve got no arms left.
BLACK KNIGHT: Yes I have.
ARTHUR: Look!
BLACK KNIGHT: Just a flesh wound.
[bang]
ARTHUR: Look, stop that.
BLACK KNIGHT: Chicken! Chicken!
ARTHUR: Look, I’ll have your leg. Right!
[whop]
BLACK KNIGHT: Right, I’ll do you for that!
ARTHUR: You’ll what?
BLACK KNIGHT: Come ‘ere!
ARTHUR: What are you going to do, bleed on me?
BLACK KNIGHT: I’m invincible!
ARTHUR: You’re a loony.
BLACK KNIGHT: The Black Knight always triumphs!
Have at you! Come on then.
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT’s other leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT: All right; we’ll call it a draw.
ARTHUR: Come, Patsy.
BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, oh, I see, running away then. You yellow
bastards! Come back here and take what’s coming to you.
I’ll bite your legs off!

Heh. Good one, fits him like a glove. Surprised Joe-nertia didn’t call it a draw, or a bloody “three-way tie for third place!”

Just in case, though, Ned ought to check his vaccinations. I wouldn’t put it past Joe-Zoe to try and bite his legs off.

Lindsey Nelson was way cool, and those plaid jackets, superb. Kiner was a drinker and got lipped during games, but we loved him.

Puppethead: exactly. That was the Brooklyn Dodger-Yankee pinstripe divide, even back then. It was class based. The Yankess were the corporate boys. The Bums were the ethnic out of towners. The Mets are their spiritual heirs. All right thinking progressives are Mets fans.

OfT: “On Sunday morning you would watch Notre Dame highlights and go to church. I still remember Lindsey Nelson: ‘And now, onto further action…”

al-Scooter @ 278

Blank Kludge #248:

My father married late and was well along in years when I was born. We never really had that much rapport, but baseball was our lingua franca. He was a clubhouse boy for the Pirates during the Pie Traynor era, saw Walter Johnson pitch in the World Series, knew Joe Cronan, etc.

I met Bill Mazeroski in 1957, when he played for the Hollywood Stars, who were the Pirates’ AAA affiliate. He was making maybe $7K a year then. How times have changed.

I’ll always love the game for him, and for it being a connection to the 19th Century: cerebral, played at the right pace for the summer.

so cool

btw - Bob Prince is (was) my Pirate connection. KDKA

Hmm, I see the ‘Stros have put up two touchdowns on the Pirates tonight … have to go check the box, see whether Biggio got another HBP. You gotta admire a guy who has taken, what, about 280 for the team?

justintime @ 7:46 pm (#261) - Authoritarian followers seem to be immune to logic and common sense.
I think their logic has rules all its own.

One of the more perceptive things Dan Rather ever said was about Saddam Hussein. He said that Hussein was all about his survival. Once you understood that, what he did made sense. That told me that he wasn’t going to have anything to do with mobile germ warfare labs - too dangerous for him and his sons.

Anyway, know their motivations, and things become clear.

Will they ever get it?
No

Can they even be helped?
They seem to be able to help themselves. To whatever isn’t nailed down and guarded.

Can this blatant propaganda be countered?
Not sure. I think you have to persuade the people who can be persuaded by reason, and hope some others come along. You’re not going to convince everyone of anything.

In this case, I think the most obvious counter is just to show what their philosophy for dealing with the world has gotten us - which is considerably less safe than we were.

I agree about Murphy, he had amazing pipes. Foudn this nugget on a Mets site:

The 1973 NL champion Mets were a slightly different team than the ‘69 Amazin’s, but were still centered around pitching. Seaver, Koosman, McGraw, Jon Matlack, and George Stone led the staff; Harrelson, John Milner, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub, Felix Millan, Jerry Grote, and Jones formed a more balanced offensive attack than four years prior. Joining the team for his last hurrah was Willie Mays, providing some valuable leadership.

‘73 was the first year I remember following baseball.

Hey, this isn’t a goddam baseball blog. :)

My first baseball game ever was Gaylord Perry’s no hitter against Cinci. Giants orange blood here but I am still trying to figure out how my oldest girl bleeds Oakland green.

http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....6809170SFN

A baseball thread? I saw the Marichal bops Roseboro game in Candlestick (coldest summer I ever spent was in Candlestick). I saw Gibson hit a Dodger to force in the only run of the game to end his scoreless innings streak, so that he couldn’t beat Drysdale’s record. I saw, well, never mind. Beat that.

And the Mets (and the Giants and the Dodgers) suck ASS.

Yanks fan here.

‘73 was the first year I remember following baseball.

‘85, I believe. Ditto for football.

Pretty good timing, really.

Sorry, make that the St Louis Cardinals (geez)

Urban Pirate @ 299

Hey, this isn’t a goddam baseball blog. :)

http://www.metsblog.com/

*ilson, you know the argument — when you are watching a performance, are you really hearing in “stereo?” Anyway, it sounds like you have one FINE collection of Wagner with which to scare the neighbors!

Urban Pirate @
299

Hey, this isn’t a goddam baseball blog. :)

you’d think the chicks that run this joint would step in and put the kibosh on all this guy-talk …

scarecrow @ 299

A baseball thread? I saw the Marichal bops Roseboro game in Candlestick (coldest summer I ever spent was in Candlestick). I saw Gibson hit a Dodger to force in the only run of the game to end his scoreless innings streak, so that he couldn’t beat Drysdale’s record. I saw, well, never mind. Beat that.

Almost got beaned by a Carlton Fisk BP home run in Oakland. Fortunately the guy in front of me had a glove…

Urban Pirate @ 302

And the Mets (and the Giants and the Dodgers) suck ASS.

Yanks fan here.

Are you itching to be my first FDL ban? Are ya, punk?

BEST.TEAM.EVER

http://www.baseball-reference......1969.shtml

scarecrow,

that is cool. I saw Marichel bop Roseboro on TV (or did I dream it?)

you were at that game.
that is cool.

FWIW, a lot of people root for the Dodgers for two reasons, Branch Rickey and Jackie Robinson.

Shea was the first place I ever saw a baseball game live. My grandfather took me when I was 6.
(Since then, I have found they actually make nice ballparks).
I am going there tomorrow.

Blank Kludge #294:

My family moved back to Pittsburgh in the early 1960s for a year, so I got to listen to Bucs games on KDKA. Bob Prince was a riot!

I also got to see a few games in Forbes Field, a classic industrial-age stadium.

I passed through Da ‘Burgh in 1969 and got to see Chuck Noll’s first game as Steelers head coach - an exhibition loss to the Lions (IIRC). But they already looked improved from the previous season, and things were looking up for the franchise.

John Casper @ 309

FWIW, a lot of people root for the Dodgers for two reasons, Branch Rickey and Jackie Robinson.

Those were good reasons to root for the Brooklyn Dodgers. They can’t rest on those laurels forever.

Imm — Levine, Boehm, Boulez, Solti, Karajan, Keilberth, both Furtwanglers

Cujo358 @ 297 - the only encouragement (outside of understanding what we are dealing with) - that bunch, the authoritarian followers, they represent what… about 25% of the population?

couldn’t possibly be insurmontable odds… leaves an awful lot of folks whose brains still work…

Shea is a pit. I’ll grant you that. Aklways has been.

Hey Urban, how do you like this high heater?

http://stevegilliard.blogspot......s-fun.html

John Stewart just had on the “hannity sucks ass” screen grab

Vectoring baseball and politics:

On one thing I agree with pompous ass of the universe, George Will:

Football is a meeting punctuated by violence. Baseball is a dance.

“I know what you’re thinking. “Did he fire six shots or only five?” Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky?….Well, do ya punk?”

Urban Pirate @ 301

And the Mets (and the Giants and the Dodgers) suck ASS.

Yanks fan here.

Well, I was going to suggest we meet at the next Lamont campaign, but since I’m a Dodger fan (from Brooklyn days), you can forget it. ;)

Eli @ 285

And wtf, no one wants to debate who would win a war, the Empire (from Star Wars) or the Borg (from Star Trek)???

Empire. Death Star could just pick off the Borg cubes one by one.

But the Borg would adapt to the Death Star technology after the first few cubes. And they only have the one Death Star hehe.

What about Replicators vs New Republic?! :)

Shea was the first place I ever saw a baseball game live. My grandfather took me when I was 6.

Ditto. Saw them beat the Cubs 5-3 when I was 8, possibly on my birthday. That’s the only time I’ve ever been to Shea, though. Been to Yankee Stadium 2-3 times.

Cujo359 @ 315

John Casper @ 309

FWIW, a lot of people root for the Dodgers for two reasons, Branch Rickey and Jackie Robinson.

Those were good reasons to root for the Brooklyn Dodgers. They can’t rest on those laurels forever.

The Mets are heir to that team. The LA LA boys have no soul, no character.

Christy should find the way to let Peanut see Bull Durham. jmho.

*ilson - chicks love baseball too…!

Blank Kludge @ 325

Christy should find the way to let Peanut see Bull Durham. jmho.

Field Of Dreams.

Eight Men Out is my favorite, though. Lyrical.

OldCoastie @ 326

*ilson - chicks love baseball too…!

So true.

If you think this is bad, wait until football season starts…

*ilson, Impressivo! There is hardly enough time in the rest of my life for that line up. And speaking of time, it is time for all good, hard writing Imms to sleep. I sometimes make it to the late night thread, but not tonight.

Peace, out.

God help us if West Virginia has a good season, global warming will get worse due to all the burning furniture!

Twisted Martini @ 330

If you think this is bad, wait until football season starts…

I could easily be wrong about this, but I get the impression that some of the mods aren’t enamored with American football. JMO.

puppethead @ 280

Joe Mauer for MVP
Fav player - Kirrrrrrrrrby Puckett
Best Announcer - Herb Carneal
1st game - 1970ish - Twins Orioles (playoff?) at The Met

Samantha Bee-

If Lieberman loses in Noverber, he’s going to start his own Senate.

I can see the headlines tomorrow. “Baseball fan riots break out on progressive blog known for rabid venomous lambasting. Several Yanks fans arrested for typical behavior. Blog monitors ban them for life. Women all disgusted.”

Here’s another good Gilliard blast at the Yankees

http://stevegilliard.blogspot......ation.html

Hilde for now,

also a lifelong Giants fan with a secret crush on Koufax - still use his 1965 card as a bookmark (don’t worry, it’s sleeved)

and Scarecrow - aahh yes, one of my favorite sports quotes - when asked to name the three scariest pitchers ever faced McCovey(?)responded “That’s easy, Bob Gibson, Bob Gibson, Bob Gibson”

On the Daily Show

Samantha Bee to Joe Lieberman

“It’s not persistance, Joe. It’s stalking.

“if not nominated - he will run

if not elected - he will serve”

Jon Stewart soooo skewered Lieberman. It has to be seen!

Samantha Bee and Jon Stewart are ripping into poor Loserman … it’s almost enough to make one feel sorry for him —- NAH! Roast the SOB!

Can online Yankee fans throw virtual batteries?

One of the best baseball games I attended was a Twins Spring Training game in Florida. It was like Bull Durham, being up close and personal with the players, who were the big names of the team. The hot dogs tasted better than anything, too.

Oh my god. Everyone must catch the first few minutes of tonight’s Daily Show when they get the chance. You will pee your pants.

cujo359 — having been responsible for migrating small businesses to a networked environment, I don’t think I’d have cut ANY of those things off my list. One never goes broke betting on the stupidity of humans left to their devices with technology, and I’ve had it proven to me time and again.

Imagine having a business owner that actually uses his business laptop for surfing porn at sites that are dicey as hell on his off-hours and manages to shut down every bit of security on his laptop, opens every damned email he gets, too, then plugs his laptop into the network and starts screaming about why he can’t get his brand-new f*cking laptop to do anything (you may imagine my name being screamed at the top of his lungs at this point, along with specific orders to remove my extremities from where they are ensconced to his presence to immediately repair the laptop in question…).

Been there, done that. Took me days to clean the machine (not to mention the Lysol-ing) and hours more to repeatedly train the mofo how to use his firewall and antivirus. Had to put him on a separate network ultimately. Agh.

He’d managed to get Sober and Sasser in a single week while on vacation. F*cker.

I can imagine similar problems inside a non-IT environment like that described at Lieberman’s HQ.

Going to the Tivo…

Joe is on my news saying he is doing what is best for his country………

What.A.Wanker

Colbert will have such fun tonight with the too-persistent WhinerMan candidacy

John Casper–Great Dirty Harry quote. I have a family member who is always quoting those lines.

FWIW, Christy is from West Virginia. She left to attend Smith College and now resides in WV. She also knows a lot about a lot of sports. For example, she knows the nickname that Jerry West didn’t like.
FWIW.

JOE LEIBERMAN = BILLY BUCKNER

If you want a sports analogy that will be immediately understood by Connecticut voters, just say the words “Billy Buckner.”

As in, for example, “Lieberman is the Billy Buckner of Connecticut. He lets all of George Bush’s bloopers go right through his legs.”

1977 Yankees

c - Munson
1B - CHambliss
2B - Randolph
ss - Dent
3b - Nettles
LF - Lou Pinella/Roy WHite
cf- Ricky Henderson
RF - Reggie Jackson

I was 9 at the time - watched every game that summer/fall. I’ll always be a Yanks fan. :)

Pach: I have an Original Dodgers-Ebbets Field banner encased in glass.

As in, for example, “Lieberman is the Billy Buckner of Connecticut. He lets all of George Bush’s bloopers go right through his legs.”

Please to not compare George W. Bush to Mookie Wilson. EVER.

Thank you.

John Casper @ 351

FWIW, Christy is from West Virginia. She left to attend Smith College and now resides in WV. She also knows a lot about a lot of sports. She knows the nickname that Jerry West didn’t like.
FWIW.

Zeke from Cabin Creek?

jeebus - please lay off Bill Buckner -

Lieberman is Johnny McNamara

*ilson,

I loved baseball AND Wagner. Perhaps in that order.

Eli @ 356

As in, for example, “Lieberman is the Billy Buckner of Connecticut. He lets all of George Bush’s bloopers go right through his legs.”

Please to not compare George W. Bush to Mookie Wilson. EVER.

hahahaha - Love Mookie.

Thank you.

The DNC or Connecticut Democratic Party need to get an injunction against Lieberman using “Democrat” when talking his kiss-my-ring crap.

OldCoastie @
6

last time I checked, Joe’s website was still blaming Ned… here’s a question - if the site were indeed having all these difficulties, how is it they can still post a page claiming it’s all Ned’s fault?

Isn’t broken just broken?

Not necessarily. www.joe2006.com just switched to a new hosting service (DNS lookups point to “secureserver.net”). Why they chose to put that stupid message on their new server rather than hosting an actual web site is another question.

I think this thread is getting really out of hand.

Now, what was the topic?

*g*

hahahaha - Love Mookie.

Thank you.

Mookie is one of my most favorite players ever. Up there with Kirby, and with less disturbing post-career baggage (see also: Dykstra, Lenny; and Backman, Wally).

Nobody don’t love Yogi, though. Even me. Red Sox 4 life.

Unfortunately John B. a lot of the CT voters are Red Sox fans, so I wouldn’t run with that metaphor. Plus, Joe LOVES to play the victim.

Ed*ard Teller @ 357

*ilson,

I loved baseball AND Wagner. Perhaps in that order.

You must *really* love Honus Wagner.

al-Scooter, we don’t even mention that name here.

Urban Pirate -

you forgot the bullpen L’infant Terrible: Gossage

That would be Leon Wagner, actually. He owned a clothing store that would dress gentlemen of distinction continentally:

“Get your rags from Daddy Wags!”

OK, now you made me do it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NNAE2uGQdtU

E.T. — the first record I ever bought myself was at the age of 11 when I bought a 10″LP of Bruno Walter conducting Wagner snippets…

I saw Billy Buckner when he was still a Dodger and had two good knees, not the poor broken guy who couldn’t bend over in his last days at Boston. Back then, he made diving catches with abandon and was a line drive hitter to all fields and when he stretched a double into a triple, it was a thing of beauty. Watching reruns of his infamous moment after knowing how he once played has always saddened me. The heart was there, but the legs were gone.

Joe, It was the voters-stupid, not liberal bloggers. It was people that are for truth, justice and the American way-not the incumbent way. If you are concerned about “your party” then get out of the way and respect the wil of the voters. The reason you are out is because you were in the wrong party. So look out, Ned will form the arguement for the general election, listen DC.

On another front-lets do away with laws. After all, this government wants them re-written for illegal eavsdropping and war crimes as an after the fact amnesty. So why have them at all if to ignore them or to
rewrite them is how they govern.

Pachacutec @ 369

OK, now you made me do it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NNAE2uGQdtU

You probably don’t want to get me stirred up.

Monk - That computer is an Osborne Exectutive

The Executive is the successor of the Osborne 1, from which it keeps the good points and correct its flaws. More memory, bigger screen, more powerful software and… higher price.

The IBM PC eclipsed the earlier Z80 based microcomputers. I was there.

Eli - Don’t know if Kirby actually did or didn’t do anything, but he was exonerated of all charges

http://blogs.nydailynews.com/d....._vs_sp.php
Fun with Republicans.
In NY, it’s fun to watch them play.

Of course I was big on the ‘86 Mets, it was impossible to be in this area and not be.

Watching that ball go through Buckner’s legs is one of my better memories.

Pretty soon I’m going to launch into a Field of Dreams-esque soliloquy - “Base-ball has been there through it all. Base-ball”

Rayne @ 8:10 pm (#344) - I’ve been lucky enough to avoid Windows environments in most of my work. If I could make one rule for an IT shop to follow, it would be “no Windows”, and what you’re describing is why. You’d still have some of the porn site Javascript problems, but the e-mail borne malware and the adware would be someone else’s problem.

Sadly, we don’t get to make such decisions, do we?

Next season Sen Lamont can host blogger baseball -

Rock Cats game.

JC #367:

Jerry West is my all-time hoops hero. He scouted a local college hoops game last winter, was very gracious and autographed several basketballs and some other memorabilia for the teams.

To me, he’ll always define class in pro sports.

John C- I know she’s a ‘Neers fan, hence the combustible furniture snark.

Jopeless and joe-icidal, classics!

And Hannity does suck ass.

8:18, Pach, I understand you were provoked, but that was cold….

Eli @
291

So would this be the right thread to brag on my softball game tonight? 5-for-6, home run, two (bases-loaded) triples, 4 runs, 9 RBI? If I just could have stayed put on second for one of the triples, I would have had my first cycle…

quite a day at the plate!
(we’ll forego the urine test)

OK, Eli, I unilaterally disarm. I can’t do Fridge.

scarecrow @ 371

I saw Billy Buckner when he was still a Dodger and had two good knees, not the poor broken guy who couldn’t bend over in his last days at Boston. Back then, he made diving catches with abandon and was a line drive hitter to all fields and when he stretched a double into a triple, it was a thing of beauty. Watching reruns of his infamous moment after knowing how he once played has always saddened me. The heart was there, but the legs were gone.

Even thought it was one of my favorite sports moments (right up there with Joe Montana getting flattened in the playoffs by Jim Burt and LT running the pass back for a TD), I always felt bad for Buckner, who seemed like a nice guy and a decent player who probably shouldn’t have been exposed in that situation.

Favorite baseball player: Tack Wilson. I don’t know where he went, but he was great with the Albuquerque Dukes.

Intriguing. 24 hours after the primaries, the big-name Democrats are unified behind the winner of their primary, and the big-name Republicans are unified behind…the loser of the other party’s primary. If I were the Republican nominee, I’d be a little huffy right now.

Suzanne @
300

My first baseball game ever was Gaylord Perry’s no hitter against Cinci. Giants orange blood here but I am still trying to figure out how my oldest girl bleeds Oakland green.

http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....6809170SFN

Suzanne, we’re an all Giants family but bear no animosity to the A’s (except during Bay Bridge Series interleague play)

Eli:

I felt a little bad for Buckner, but I felt a lot better about fucking winning. Much drunk that night, I can tell you.

“But they’d have to be the DH, which (IMO) ruined the AL.”
I agree, along with a lot of pitchers.

Pachacutec @ 389

Eli:

I felt a little bad for Buckner, but I felt a lot better about fucking winning. Much drunk that night, I can tell you.

Well, yeah. Except for the drinking. It was my senior year in high school, and I think it was actually past “Lights-Out” in my dorm…

From Pat Lang, buckle your chin straps, kiddies:

http://turcopolier.typepad.com.....eh_li.html

For a lot of guys on both sides, this one’s for keeps.

Frank Probst @ 389

Intriguing. 24 hours after the primaries, the big-name Democrats are unified behind the winner of their primary, and the big-name Republicans are unified behind…the loser of the other party’s primary. If I were the Republican nominee, I’d be a little huffy right now.

He’s too busy trying to getting around the gambling issues. He’d probably lose a one-way race.

Eli — I’m with you. The manager made that decision.

there had better be no competitive bicycling going on in here — way too much testosterone flowing tonight …

scarecrow @ 8:19 pm (#370) - I always like Buckner. He was gutsy, and always played like it was his last game. It’s a shame he’s remembered for that play in the ‘86 series, because that wasn’t the real Bill Buckner out there.

Oh, and I think saying Lieberman == Buckner gives Lieberman way too much credit.

gosh Eli,
you were doin’ so well and then you post something to remind everyone of the classless Mike Ditka - letting Perry score but not Sweetness

Floyd Landis has as many excuses as Jopeless does

It’s also easier for me to sympathize with Buckner because I’m a really crappy outfielder.

Another politico supports Lieberman. Time to let Leon Panetta know what we think of him.

Read this: http://kcbs.com/pages/66680.php

Them Email Leon: info@PanettaInstitute.org

He may not be in office right now, but we can show him that betraying the party won’t do him any good. Bring him to his knees, too.

Figures that Ditka’s a wingnut.

Anton Buckner’s 4th Symphony is so Romantic …

Ed*ard Teller @
359

*ilson,

I loved baseball AND Wagner. Perhaps in that order.

Honus Wagner, the Flying Dutchman

al-Scooter @ 400

Figures that Ditka’s a wingnut.

Remember when he traded his entire draft for Ricky Williams?

Ha ha!
/Nelson

Leon’s pathetic.

punaise @
404

Ed*ard Teller @
359

*ilson,

I loved baseball AND Wagner. Perhaps in that order.

Honus Wagner, the Flying Dutchman Fliegende Hollander

hey there is this amazing article at the wp by eli pariser

scarecrow,

Wasn’t it Billy Bruckner, not Buckner?

*ilson,

My wife and I saw “Der Rosenkavalier” in Seattle last Saturday on their opera season’s opening night. What a wonderful delight. Strauss and von Hofmannstal - almost too wordy, but a wonderful delight…

Here’s something I’ve wondered: If you take some notoriously slow and/or physically marginal player like Buckner or Mo Vaughn, and put them in a pickup softball game, would they look like Ozzie Smith or Willie Mays by comparison, or would they still look like Bill Buckner or Mo Vaughn?

Eli @ 399

It’s also easier for me to sympathize with Buckner because I’m a really crappy outfielder.

Toward the end of my softball playing days, I was stuck in RF where theoretically I’d have fewer fielding chances and so do less damage. The strategy usually worked, but I’d love to have some of the figure-eight tracings of my attempting to get under fly balls when they did come my way.

Gotta run but I just have to say

Touch ‘em All Kirby Puckett

Toward the end of my softball playing days, I was stuck in RF where theoretically I’d have fewer fielding chances and so do less damage. The strategy usually worked, but I’d love to have some of the figure-eight tracings of my attempting to get under fly balls when they did come my way.

The frustrating thing is, I have pretty decent range (except on anything hit behind me), but almost anything I get to at the edge of my range, I end up dropping. And I can get eaten alive by ground balls and short hops, too.

cujo359 8:21 pm — Heh.

Beyond that line drawn in software platforms I may not cross due to terms of current consulting contracts and related NDA’s.

For now, a solid “no comment”.

It also takes me about a month before my fly ball radar is properly sighted in…

Eli @ 409

Here’s something I’ve wondered: If you take some notoriously slow and/or physically marginal player like Buckner or Mo Vaughn, and put them in a pickup softball game, would they look like Ozzie Smith or Willie Mays by comparison, or would they still look like Bill Buckner or Mo Vaughn?

Prolly like Kirk Gibson against the A’s in the ‘89 WS. Everything they swung at would leave the park, so they could walk the basepaths. But they’d have to be the DH, which (IMO) ruined the AL.

punaise @ # 407:

der you go again…….

Prolly like Kirk Gibson against the A’s in the ‘89 WS. Everything they swung at would leave the park, so they could walk the basepaths. But they’d have to be the DH, which (IMO) ruined the AL.

The defense is actually what I’m wondering about. Sure, they’re lumbering and slow when compared to other major leaguers, but they might be paragons of grace and speed when compared to, say, me.

*ilson probably knows, but IIRC, Anton Bruckner was an Austrian composer; didn’t play baseball, I suspect. Billy Buckner was left fielder for the LA Dodgers early on; eventually wound up with Boston at 1st base for that series.

Barney the Dinosaur is fleet and graceful compared to me.

blue e @
408

hey there is this amazing article at the wp by eli pariser

link?

Hey, I just realized Joe Biden has been keeping a very low profile. I bet he’s feeling pretty smug about “missing” the train a couple weeks ago.

Pachacutec @ 419

blue e @
408

hey there is this amazing article at the wp by eli pariser

link?

Dude, it’s washingtonpost.com. Shouldn’t you know this stuff?

Cujo359 @
297

justintime @ 7:46 pm (#261) - Authoritarian followers seem to be immune to logic and common sense.
I think their logic has rules all its own.

Anyway, know their motivations, and things become clear.

Will they ever get it?
No

Can they even be helped?
They seem to be able to help themselves. To whatever isn’t nailed down and guarded.

Can this blatant propaganda be countered?
Not sure. I think you have to persuade the people who can be persuaded by reason, and hope some others come along. You’re not going to convince everyone of anything.

In this case, I think the most obvious counter is just to show what their philosophy for dealing with the world has gotten us - which is considerably less safe than we were.

LOL, yes they do know how to help themselves.

They’re locked into a complete delusionary world and desperately afraid of losing it.

So it’s almost impossible for them to momentarily suspend the delusionary world for the time it takes to understand and accept the reasonable world view.

puppethead @ 420

Hey, I just realized Joe Biden has been keeping a very low profile. I bet he’s feeling pretty smug about “missing” the train a couple weeks ago.

Yeah, he just didn’t want to give Lieberman a plug.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01515.html

blue e @
408

hey there is this amazing article at the wp by eli pariser

Great article, “The Death of Triangulation:”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01515.html

Probably gonna be EPU’d, but here’s my latest, with a photo of Jane and myself from just over an hour ago.

http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006.....ivans.html

Great article, “The Death of Triangulation:”

Sounds a bit like what Olbermann (IIRC) calls “premature jocularity”.

Adie — you still out there? That bit in the EPU zone last thread rather cinches it, in my mind, that a LOT of people in the current administration already knew there were problems with BP.

And that’s exactly why they Hammered-hammered-hammered on ANWR drilling; they knew there was going to be a problem and they needed a backup plan. But they also know they make optimum profits when there’s a small disruption that is “manageable” rather than a massive outage, so nobody got their panties in a knot where the public would notice.

At the same time, these idiots weren’t ready for this little war in Israel-Lebanon. Sure, they knew in advance as Israel has always given the U.S. an advance notice (and probably got a nod, too), but what these idiots didn’t think out is that the Saudis would get p*ssed off and threaten to cut supplies to the U.S., just as we are beginning to contemplate pulling out of Iraq and ready access to their supply.

Which suddenly meant that Prudhoe couldn’t be sluffed off any longer, had to be dealt with immediately.

It’s the timing that tips us off. A little too serendipitous.

On News Hour tonight Lieberman was introduced as an independent. He corrected the introduction saying he was running as an “Independent Democrat”. What a scumbag.

blue e @ 426

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01515.html

Thanks blue.

Eli, what, I don’t work hard enough? I have to go link hunting?

Sheesh!

puppethead @ 429

On News Hour tonight Lieberman was introduced as an independent. He corrected the introduction saying he was running as an “Independent Democrat”. What a scumbag.

I prefer your correction at the end there…

CTBob — thanks much for the link and great pics.

Jane, you need to get some rest, hon. Don’t want you getting sick now when we’re ready to begin strategy on Phase II: The Road to DC.

Ditto all the rest of the gang. Tim Tagaris, Happy Birthday, dude, but take good care of yourself and get some rest!!

meta — thanks for the WaPa link. good article.

Eli, what, I don’t work hard enough? I have to go link hunting?

Just yankeeing your chain a bit.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 43

Rob Zuber at 23 — you tell me, then, how the Lieberman campaign’s computers just randomly started spamming themselves if it wasn’t human error? Should we blame the evil computer gremlins sent by political enemies in the fourth dimension? Or perhaps some evil hacker sneaked into the building the night before the day before the election? Or what exactly? Because an internal spam loop had to start somewhere internally…

I may have missed it, but I didn’t see an actual answer to this.

If the software had known security problems, an outside hacker could have gotten in and messed with the module to trigger the spam loop, if it was also a bug known to hackers.

Or the buggy or misconfigured module could have started doing it in response to someone legitimately using it and triggering the bug, if that was the way the problem worked.

In any case, the server logs should show if there was some sort of unauthorized access at the time it was triggered. From everything we know, the main cause was terminal stupidity (or deliberately leaving the doors to the house unlocked), but that is how it could have been caused by an outsider.

But until there’s actual evidence of that, the claim from the Lieberman folks is about the equivalent of having a firetrap house burn down and yelling that it’s arson, before having any supporting evidence.

Guitar Playing Bastard @ 401

Another politico supports Lieberman. Time to let Leon Panetta know what we think of him.

Read this: http://kcbs.com/pages/66680.php

Them Email Leon: info@PanettaInstitute.org

He may not be in office right now, but we can show him that betraying the party won’t do him any good. Bring him to his knees, too.

He said if he were a Connecticut voter he would have voted for Lieberman. That’s rather different than saying he supports Lieberman’s position of ignoring primary results and running as an independent. At least that’s how I read it.

dab - look again (I know, it’s getting late) - Panetta says he would vote for Lieberman in the fall….

Did anyone see Josh Marshall’s latest post?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....009379.php

He thinks Ned Lamont’s off to a slow start and should have come out swinging last night against Holy Joe.

I’m sure everyone has already rehashed the Karl Rove tactic back in Texas when he bugged his own office and made an election-eve claim that it was opposition party spying - that was my first thought when I heard the hacking claims from the Lieberman camp. And we know “the boss will do anything to help” - I have been opposed to Lieberman’s positions since the 2000 election. He killed the ticket for progressives, who flocked to then Rock Star Green Party Candidates Nader/LaDuke.

Guitar Playing Bastard @ 401

Another politico supports Lieberman. Time to let Leon Panetta know what we think of him.

Read this: http://kcbs.com/pages/66680.php

Them Email Leon: info@PanettaInstitute.org

He may not be in office right now, but we can show him that betraying the party won’t do him any good. Bring him to his knees, too.

You know, let Leon Panetta support Joe. I doubt anything Panetta says or does will influence many (or even any) CT voters. Then when Leiberman is laughed off into obscurity, he can take Panetta with him. Panetta’s advice has only led to defeat after defeat over these many years. We will muddle through without him.

pol @ 440

Did anyone see Josh Marshall’s latest post?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....009379.php

He thinks Ned Lamont’s off to a slow start and should have come out swinging last night against Holy Joe.

Due respect to Josh, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Lamont has done a lot to build his alliances with the party establishment, working out strategy, while other engage in quiet diplomacy designed to cajole Joe off the ledge. Going on the attack just makes Joe dig his heals in. There’s plenty of time for that if Joe does not see wisdom.

OldCoastie @ 439

dab - look again (I know, it’s getting late) - Panetta says he would vote for Lieberman in the fall….

You’re right.

All these Clinton holdovers should have noticed something in yesterday’s election–even the Big Dog couldn’t stem the tide.

Thank you Ned Lamont and all you wonderful folks at FDL.

Change is in the wind.

What is the traditional period to wait respectfully while an 18-year senator with an ego bigger than his state is patiently and respectfully told it is time to leave… before we have to start hitting back hard against him?

I am willing to wait for a while..

Arianna Huffington, E.J. Dionne, Adam Nagourney, Mark Halperin all on Charlie Rose tonight.

Dang, is Rose dense this evening or what? Sounded to me like the rest of them got it about Lamont and Lieberman to one degree or another. But Rose? phew…

Here’s an odd story from the Pentagon Secret Secret Office:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01700.html

Here’s what set off, well, my gaydar, quite frankly:

A Pentagon spokesman yesterday confirmed they were leaving and said it was “a personal decision that they both made together.”

That Big Dog won’t hunt!

“What is the traditional period to wait respectfully while an 18-year senator with an ego bigger than his state…”

Pride goeth before the fall. Leave Holy Joe alone; he will do himself in.

Actually, he said he thinks Ryan Lizza’s onto something:

http://www.tnr.com/user/nregi......izza080906

Oh crap. From the Lizza/TNR piece:

Some Democratic Senators will endorse Lamont this morning, but don’t expect much more than a press release. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee has no intention of throwing any real money at Lamont. “This race will have zero bearing on who controls the Senate after Election Day in November,” says a top Democrat involved in Senate campaign strategy. “Why would we spend money defending a seat that will be blue either way? It just takes funds from important seats like Montana. It’s counterproductive to the cause.” The message to Lamont? If you want the seat so bad, spend your own money: “The fact of the matter is that Lamont has seven million dollars he can draw on.”

I suppose this was to be expected, but it’s not good. In fact, it seems to be the old “concentrate on a few key races and ignore the rest” strategy that’s worked so well in the last two elections.

A hacked module — a form, Hubbell theorized — was generating thousands of emails to joe2006.com addresses. Even after removing various functions from the site, the problems persisted, Hubbell told me. “There were multiple spam attacks,” he recalled. “It seemed like it was internally spamming itself, and there was also potentially an outside source that was hitting it.”

Also known as a cluster-fuck.

TeddySanFran — I don’t know about that. Didn’t set my gaydar off, although my “set” isn’t tuned like yours.

CIFA was the department responsible for the primary review of the Ports Security deal, the one that was by-passed by goodness-knows-who when they tried to fasttrack that sale to Dubai.

There’s other deals that we should already be hearing about right now; bet CIFA got by-passed again, rather like FISA court got by-passed by NSA domestic spying.

Does that set off a different radar for you?

Pachacutec @ 9:12 pm (#443) - I have a comment in moderation about the column Josh is referring to, which is worth a read, I think.

Late-Nite from TRex.

Rayne @
447

Arianna Huffington, E.J. Dionne, Adam Nagourney, Mark Halperin all on Charlie Rose tonight.

Dang, is Rose dense this evening or what? Sounded to me like the rest of them got it about Lamont and Lieberman to one degree or another. But Rose? phew…

I’m glad there’s a program like this, but Rose has been in deep unrelenting confusion for the last couple of years. He really loves the all the Repub strategists - Kissinger, etc - and almost always has his mind made up about every single thing, interrupting and imposing his views on every guest. He’s become nearly insufferable, but there aren’t many other shows like this out there. Bill Moyers was very good.

“…I’m glad there’s a program like this, but Rose has been in deep unrelenting confusion for the last couple of years. He really loves the all the Repub strategists - Kissinger, etc…”

Rose may be responding to conservative complaints by inviting more conservatives to his show. For awhile, PBS was under a lot of pressure to balance its “liberal” programming.

Dammit! Am I the only Cub fan here? Taking my 9 year old grandson to his first Cubs game Friday. In Denver. Not at Wrigley. I’m sure eweryone has left, but had to post.

Lobster @
94

Mike Tyson?

… And the winner is Lobster, imo. Neither Tyson nor Lieberman was in the class of Mays, Leonard, et al. at their peak (and some would debate whether the athletes actually were humiliating themselves, especially Mays, or just making sure the last bit was used up. Revealing yourself to be a quisling and pretending it’s a virtue, now there’s humiliation.)

Shrubbery, indeed.