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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/09/the-new-math/#comment-235969</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234387&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HopespringsATurtle @&lt;br /&gt;
                115              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234374&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mommybrain @ 105&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m Peterr, I’m a blogger, and I approve this message.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(And it doesn’t sound terribly expensive to produce, though the airing of it might be real $$.) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ghostman, that’s a genius idea for a commercial.  Starting on basic cable, like comedy central or A&amp;E, will be pretty much all you need.   It will get picked up by people like Stewart and Olbermann, maybe even Tweety, and shown over and over?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I totally agree. I bet we could get a production crew together. And I’ll donate Dr Turtle as “The Doctor” In Uniform, with a doctor coat. The airing money will come if we build it…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt; And here’s how you get the money….&lt;br /&gt;
Make it a bipartisan freedom of speech issue, using PSAs. Shoot each PSA in front of a backdrop provided by a sponsor who is willing to pay for the privilege of airing the shots. They’re basically all the same script: Blurb about freedom of speech, and our country’s long-standing tradition of expression of personal opinions regarding politics without fear of retribution, followed by everyone shouting: I’m (names), we’re bloggers, and we approve this message! &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EXAMPLES: Construction crew members in front of a K&amp;B housing site; doctors and nurses in front of a hospital; supermarket staff persons in front of a market; attorneys and judges in front of the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile parked in front of the Federal Dist. Courthouse. (Okay, so thats MY personal fantasy….)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-234374"><em>Mommybrain @ 105</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I’m Peterr, I’m a blogger, and I approve this message.</p>
<p>(And it doesn’t sound terribly expensive to produce, though the airing of it might be real $$.) </p>
<p>Ghostman, that’s a genius idea for a commercial.  Starting on basic cable, like comedy central or A&amp;E, will be pretty much all you need.   It will get picked up by people like Stewart and Olbermann, maybe even Tweety, and shown over and over?</p>
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<p>I totally agree. I bet we could get a production crew together. And I’ll donate Dr Turtle as “The Doctor” In Uniform, with a doctor coat. The airing money will come if we build it…</p>
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<p><b> And here’s how you get the money….<br />
Make it a bipartisan freedom of speech issue, using PSAs. Shoot each PSA in front of a backdrop provided by a sponsor who is willing to pay for the privilege of airing the shots. They’re basically all the same script: Blurb about freedom of speech, and our country’s long-standing tradition of expression of personal opinions regarding politics without fear of retribution, followed by everyone shouting: I’m (names), we’re bloggers, and we approve this message! </b></p>
<p>EXAMPLES: Construction crew members in front of a K&amp;B housing site; doctors and nurses in front of a hospital; supermarket staff persons in front of a market; attorneys and judges in front of the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile parked in front of the Federal Dist. Courthouse. (Okay, so thats MY personal fantasy….)</p>
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		<title>By: Ruthie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/09/the-new-math/#comment-235880</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 04:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234323&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cfeddy @&lt;br /&gt;
                61              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well I see Lieberman messed up this website again,heh.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s so mean! But keep us posted anyway. Joe’s Adventures in ToobzLand could be the running Monty Python joke of this millenium.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Well I see Lieberman messed up this website again,heh.</p>
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<p>That’s so mean! But keep us posted anyway. Joe’s Adventures in ToobzLand could be the running Monty Python joke of this millenium.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Macks</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/09/the-new-math/#comment-235130</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Macks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This Karl Rove  for Lieberman is too&lt;br /&gt;
good to get lost in the shuffle.&lt;br /&gt;
I hope there is some way to keep it&lt;br /&gt;
being posted  in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I live in California and unfortnately&lt;br /&gt;
D.Feinstein is my Senator , IMO&lt;br /&gt;
she is just a short step away from&lt;br /&gt;
being a Lieberman Democrat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just listened to the Liar News Hour&lt;br /&gt;
aka Lehr News Hour because they had&lt;br /&gt;
an interview with Lamont  and Lieberman&lt;br /&gt;
It was the first time I was able to hear&lt;br /&gt;
Lamont speak, I was impressed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then Liberman came into view.  God, I thought&lt;br /&gt;
those poor people in CT  who had and will have to&lt;br /&gt;
see him and hear his  whiney voice.&lt;br /&gt;
He said he is not runing as Independent&lt;br /&gt;
but as a DEMOCRAT Independent.&lt;br /&gt;
Now what the heck is  a Democrat Independent.??&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That was more then enough Holy Joe for&lt;br /&gt;
me so I turn the TV and Joe  off.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Karl Rove  for Lieberman is too<br />
good to get lost in the shuffle.<br />
I hope there is some way to keep it<br />
being posted  in the future.</p>
<p>I live in California and unfortnately<br />
D.Feinstein is my Senator , IMO<br />
she is just a short step away from<br />
being a Lieberman Democrat.</p>
<p>I just listened to the Liar News Hour<br />
aka Lehr News Hour because they had<br />
an interview with Lamont  and Lieberman<br />
It was the first time I was able to hear<br />
Lamont speak, I was impressed.</p>
<p>Then Liberman came into view.  God, I thought<br />
those poor people in CT  who had and will have to<br />
see him and hear his  whiney voice.<br />
He said he is not runing as Independent<br />
but as a DEMOCRAT Independent.<br />
Now what the heck is  a Democrat Independent.??</p>
<p>That was more then enough Holy Joe for<br />
me so I turn the TV and Joe  off.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/09/the-new-math/#comment-234975</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maeven makes some good points.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://theconstantamerican.blogspot.com/2006/08/lamonts-first-interviews-right-out-of.html&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://theconstantamerican.blogspot.com/2006/08/joe-lieberman-spoiler.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maeven makes some good points.  <a href="http://theconstantamerican.blogspot.com/2006/08/lamonts-first-interviews-right-out-of.html">Here</a> and <a href="http://theconstantamerican.blogspot.com/2006/08/joe-lieberman-spoiler.html">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/09/the-new-math/#comment-234783</link>
		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Crap! I forgot the link. Sorry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1224692,00.html?cnn=yes&quot;&gt;http://www.time.com/time/natio.....ml?cnn=yes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap! I forgot the link. Sorry.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1224692,00.html?cnn=yes">http://www.time.com/time/natio&#8230;..ml?cnn=yes</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/09/the-new-math/#comment-234781</link>
		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why the Republicans Are Loving the Lieberman Loss&lt;br /&gt;
At a time when the GOP should be back on its heels, Connecticut voters’ rejection of a centrist Senator gives the party a potentially powerful new weapon to use against the Democrats this fall&lt;br /&gt;
By MIKE ALLEN/WASHINGTON&lt;br /&gt;
snip&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the nip-and-tuck Senate races this year is in Missouri, and backers of Sen. Jim Talent are preparing an attack on his opponent, State Auditor Claire McCaskill, that is emblematic of the sort that will be seen all over the country within 24 hours. “Does Claire McCaskill support the wishes of the angry left by endorsing Ned Lamont’s candidacy or will she support the man who was chosen by Al Gore as the Democrat’s 2000 nominee for Vice President?” Republicans ask in a statment that will force McCaskill to talk about messy party business instead of her favored issues of government accountablity and affordable health care.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;snip&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See? it’s EASY!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Attack Attack ATTAAAAAAAAACK!&lt;br /&gt;
Don’t bother with issues! Attack!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the Republicans Are Loving the Lieberman Loss<br />
At a time when the GOP should be back on its heels, Connecticut voters’ rejection of a centrist Senator gives the party a potentially powerful new weapon to use against the Democrats this fall<br />
By MIKE ALLEN/WASHINGTON<br />
snip</p>
<p>One of the nip-and-tuck Senate races this year is in Missouri, and backers of Sen. Jim Talent are preparing an attack on his opponent, State Auditor Claire McCaskill, that is emblematic of the sort that will be seen all over the country within 24 hours. “Does Claire McCaskill support the wishes of the angry left by endorsing Ned Lamont’s candidacy or will she support the man who was chosen by Al Gore as the Democrat’s 2000 nominee for Vice President?” Republicans ask in a statment that will force McCaskill to talk about messy party business instead of her favored issues of government accountablity and affordable health care.</p>
<p>snip</p>
<p>See? it’s EASY!</p>
<p>Attack Attack ATTAAAAAAAAACK!<br />
Don’t bother with issues! Attack!</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/09/the-new-math/#comment-234768</link>
		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234682&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 299&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234540&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 251 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Another Raw Story headline that came to my attention: White House blasts Dems for Lieberman loss; Soon…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How come we Democrats are always taking the blame for a loss? We aren’t allowed to savor sweet sweet victory even for a minute, even in our own primaries? The Republicans are very hard on us.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;well, you know, the democratic voters made a decision bush didn’t like. those uppity democrats! how dare them!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-234682"><em>mui @ 299</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-234540"><em>Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 251 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Another Raw Story headline that came to my attention: White House blasts Dems for Lieberman loss; Soon…</p>
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<p>How come we Democrats are always taking the blame for a loss? We aren’t allowed to savor sweet sweet victory even for a minute, even in our own primaries? The Republicans are very hard on us.</p>
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<p>well, you know, the democratic voters made a decision bush didn’t like. those uppity democrats! how dare them!</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/09/the-new-math/#comment-234733</link>
		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234570&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;justintime @ 276&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234551&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 261&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234538&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @ 248&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Feinstein update, here’s the statement from her Capitol Hill office; it is unwritten but comes directly from the press office:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Senator Feinstein will support the Democratic nominee.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I asked if there would be a formal written statement, the phone-answerer said she would relay my request to the Senator’s press office, but the Senator is in California.  I responded that the SF office says she’s in DeeCee today, and was told that she is not in the DC office today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Keep pushing, I say.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Turn of the Shrew?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;how ’bout that for a ringing endorsement. sounds like she’s really pumped.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-234570"><em>justintime @ 276</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-234551"><em>TeddySanFran @ 261</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-234538"><em>TeddySanFran @ 248</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Feinstein update, here’s the statement from her Capitol Hill office; it is unwritten but comes directly from the press office:</p>
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Senator Feinstein will support the Democratic nominee.</p>
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<p>I asked if there would be a formal written statement, the phone-answerer said she would relay my request to the Senator’s press office, but the Senator is in California.  I responded that the SF office says she’s in DeeCee today, and was told that she is not in the DC office today.</p>
<p>Keep pushing, I say.</p>
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<p>The Turn of the Shrew?</p>
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<p>how ’bout that for a ringing endorsement. sounds like she’s really pumped.</p>
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		<title>By: meta</title>
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		<dc:creator>meta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234653&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TR @&lt;br /&gt;
                297              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:Meta@294:&quot;&gt;Meta@294:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;shadylady_09012(at)yahoo(dot)com will work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Substituting “@” and “.” for the parentheses)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gotcha!  Thanks.  I’ll send you an email shortly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sally, yes, great idea.  That’s what I was orignally thinking.  We can do a string of several at a time, and also break out individuals.  We’ll see what happens!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="mailto:Meta@294:">Meta@294:</a></p>
<p>shadylady_09012(at)yahoo(dot)com will work.</p>
<p>(Substituting “@” and “.” for the parentheses)</p>
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<p>Gotcha!  Thanks.  I’ll send you an email shortly.</p>
<p>Sally, yes, great idea.  That’s what I was orignally thinking.  We can do a string of several at a time, and also break out individuals.  We’ll see what happens!</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/09/the-new-math/#comment-234698</link>
		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234534&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;john in sacramento @ 245&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-234301&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @ 44 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Don’t you have to wonder who threw Joe under the bus by leaking this?  Did Sean Smith get his walking papers, and now he’s getting even?  Did Rove plant this in the papers himself, trying to get Joe out of the race ASAP so he’ll be out of the news and not reminding Republicans in Congress that Bush is the “kiss of political death?”  So many possibilities…so much imagination…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it was leaked by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm&quot;&gt;Rover the Grandson of Nazi&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;b&gt;allegedly&lt;/b&gt;) not as a message to the general public but as a message to the corporatists on Wall Street and Faux “News” to feed Holy Joes monstrous ego with money and attention so that we spend time and money defeating &lt;i&gt;Holier than thou Joe&lt;/i&gt; instead.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe is the biggest &lt;a href=&quot;http://http//www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2006/01/but_watch.htm&quot;&gt;concern troll&lt;/a&gt; there is and they need him for their propaganda&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if the stuff about prescott bush and rover’s anticedents is true, verrrrry interesting. something i learned just a few years back is that more americans have german ancestors than any other national or ethnic group. but of course there is a distinction to be made between  germans and nazi’s……….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-234301"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 44 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Don’t you have to wonder who threw Joe under the bus by leaking this?  Did Sean Smith get his walking papers, and now he’s getting even?  Did Rove plant this in the papers himself, trying to get Joe out of the race ASAP so he’ll be out of the news and not reminding Republicans in Congress that Bush is the “kiss of political death?”  So many possibilities…so much imagination…</p>
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<p>I think it was leaked by <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm">Rover the Grandson of Nazi</a> (<b>allegedly</b>) not as a message to the general public but as a message to the corporatists on Wall Street and Faux “News” to feed Holy Joes monstrous ego with money and attention so that we spend time and money defeating <i>Holier than thou Joe</i> instead.</p>
<p>Joe is the biggest <a href="http://http//www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2006/01/but_watch.htm">concern troll</a> there is and they need him for their propaganda</p>
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<p>if the stuff about prescott bush and rover’s anticedents is true, verrrrry interesting. something i learned just a few years back is that more americans have german ancestors than any other national or ethnic group. but of course there is a distinction to be made between  germans and nazi’s……….</p>
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