Looks like Atilla the Hen will have time for that vacation after all:
Lieberman said he not bothered by losing the support of his Democratic peers, noting he lost Tuesday’s primary even with their support.
"In the end the people make up their own minds and this is going to be a people’s campaign," Lieberman said.
Lieberman said Wednesday that he fired his campaign manager and spokesman, and asked for the resignations of his campaign staff.
"We did not answer, adequately answer, the distortions of my record on Iraq and my relationship with George Bush, that the Lamont campaign put out," said Lieberman, who said he didn’t blame campaign workers. (emphasis mine)
Oh, I see. The fact that the Democratic party leadership, his Democratic party friends, and a majority Democratic voters all want him to step aside doesn’t matter. The fact that Joe Lieberman lost the primary doesn’t count in his mind because apparently the fact that he couldn’t win a majority of the Democratic primary voters was done absent Republicans "people." M-kay.
And if only his staffers had done a better job of making Joe Lieberman seem less like Joe Lieberman, he would have won, according to Joe Lieberman. But he doesn’t blame them, even though they have now all been fired, so that he can re-staff himself with people who believe in him more adequately.
This has now crossed the line to incredibly pathetic territory.
(Vacationing chicken graphics love to Fowl Humor. This picture cracked me up!)
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Viva Lamont!
Viva democracy!
November Coming FIRE!!!!!!!
NED!!!
FIZT!!!
ROOTS!!!
WIN!!!!
Ned!
Christy!
Jane!
I suspect his new staffers will be college republicans. They seem to like his style.
joe is katherine harris minus the bad plastic surgery at this point…
He is beginning to sound not just pathetic but pathological.
LOSER
LOSER
LOSER
and, EPU’d: Mary for now @ 103
ding ding ding
http://www.Team-Connecticut.com
Well, I certainly hope he fired his utterly incompetent technical/Web staff.
Maybe Yale (or some other university) can give him a teaching gig, so he can drop out and not have to find a new miraculous campaign staff.
hey, mr. *izard, shouldn’t there be some helpwanted ads on your website? or are you the pointer to the website?
golly, these tooobz are confusing. think i’ll get me a big truck, like that other Ted.
When did Joe become convinced that his Senate seat is the equal of a life peerage in the House of Lords? Perhaps the madness of King George has returned — who knew that bodily fluids were exchanged in the Kiss?
Expect more damaging leaks from this now-unemployed team. Honestly, there is already so much campaign ad material out there, with all these GOP comments about Joe – not to mention Joe – the “Good Democrat – distancing himself from and dismissing the support of those Dems who supported him in his primary run. Kind of like his “Ned can have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson” comment.
Ned needs to reach out to independents in the strongest way possible – and will have to hang onto the Dems who voted for him yesterday.
Man, this is one helluva roller-coaster ride!
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
no charm, no fowl
Joe is just a sad old man: http://www.crooksandliars.com/
Reminds me of grandpa Simpson more everyday.
Christy -
When do you think that the chickens will come home to roost? (g)
Republicans and irony. Do they really not see it?
If there has not been an “adequate response” to his relationship with Bush and his take on Global Occupation starting in Iraq, then whose resignation is really in order?
And didn’t CT Dems just ask for it?
*ilson – I know you meant TeamLOSER-Connecticut.com, but that’s ok.
Quick OT: I need to buy a ‘video’ camera. I know they’re digital now, but I’m not sure what to google. Anyone?
Since “We did not adequately answer”, you are getting fired.
Kyewl.
Smokin’ Joe is having his accountability moment.
Cripe for the last two days I would hit this site just as the new post and no comments appeared. Finally thinking I would add to the spirit of the community I offer the rallying call, like those calls I’ve read for months on end. Ah well, misspelled, but posted.
What a very pathetic person Lieberman seems to be. Absolutely no clue. None.Glad to see Sherrod Brown get our support. And I am thrilled that we are one step closer to making real change.
For months I’ve been ranting to friends how connections made through the internet are going to have a huge impact on how things are run in this country. Real exchange offered through smart words and clever pictures can make a difference. Making us laugh matters.
Very. Good. Day.
punaise @ 1:41 pm
Eggsactly!
Food for thought, if it hasn’t already been mentioned . . .
Maybe the reason Bush wants to help Lieberman is because of the Kiss Float. Everywhere Joe campaigned, the Kiss Float was there.
Bush values loyalty above all else, and if HoJo was that eager to advertise his affection for Bush in a Democratic Primary, then by God — Bush can send some Rove love right back at Joe.
Makes sense, no?
Actually, I read that Lieberman did not fire his staffers, but they quit because they would not work for someone who is not running as a democrat. But I am having a devil of a time trying to remember where I read that . . .
CNN news alert: Explosions heard in south Lebanon but Israeli military denies it is beginning an expanded operation that the Israeli Cabinet approved earlier.
So…which scenario do FirePups think fits?
A. Staffers were p*ssed off at being given the heave-ho, so they conjured up the Rove story.
B. Rove offered a better staff, so Joe-nertia canned the staff (which led to the leak)
C. [Insert your third or other option here]
???
For some reason, number 2 has a certain ring to it.
”And, bottom line, I am running for the United States Senate because I know deep in my heart that the people of Connecticut, after 18 years, are ready to say, ‘Thanks
LowellJoe. Now, it’s time for a change.’ ”http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/9/152513/0118
I loved this diary.
I really can’t fathom how this man looks himself in the mirror.
The people of CT have gone to the ballot box and said Joe, we don’t want you as our rep anymore. I’m fairly certain his campaign staff wasn’t fired. They probably quit. They run campagins for Democrats and now that Joe isn’t a Dem…. well, that’s just my hypothesis.
jk at 26 — if you find it, post a link and I’ll add it into the mix.
Maybe Bush could loan Lieberman the “Mission Accomplished” banner?
Has any exit poll examined the question of whom the newly-registered Democratic voters in Connecticut voted for?
“We did not answer, adequately answer, the distortions of my record on Iraq and my relationship with George Bush, that the Lamont campaign put out,” said Lieberman”
Is that perhaps because there weren’t any distortions?
Atilla the Hen
I *love* that nomenclature.
But the spelling jars my eye every time. If we are to be faithful to the historical figure, it should be rendered “Attila”.
By the way, did anyone else catch Crazy Marty Peretz blaming the whole Lieberman wipeout on… Clinton’s penis? Yep. No doubt about it.
Poor Marty. If only he had taken the time to pick up the phone and call his good buddy Joe and *warn* him about the treachery which lurks within the Clenis!
–
Al From is sad:
Say, is that DLC job for-life?
http://www.courant.com/news/po…..lines-home
Second on HopeSpringsATurtle @ 20. I’m looking for a digital video camera as well and have absolutely no time to research it.
Wow, I am really tired today. Still feels good, but I’m really shot. So’s my voice. Worked a full day today, too.
Man, did we have FUN up here in the Nutmeg State last night!
Actually he always reminded me of the father on “Alf” – sounds just like him too, sort of Droopy Dog-ishLou Costello @ 16
Here’ something from the DSCC that made my day, thanks to The Orange One for the link:
http://www.dscc.org/2006races/ct/
At this point, I’m beginning to think Bushco is making HoJo run. Either that or he’s smoking crack.
Hooooray CTBob!!!!
I give Lieberman this: he’s stubborn. To a fault. Assume the worst. That he will not be talked into dropping his spoiler bid as an indie. Lamont needs to concentrate on independent voters and “soft” Lieberman voters. Lieberman or the Republican MUST not prevail this fall. Come autumn, it WILL be Senator Lamont.
Found it!
Here is the link:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo…../8159.html
Here’s what it says:
Lieberman calls it a ’shake-up’; staff calls it a ‘resignation’
Posted 12:27 pm | Printer Friendly
About a week ago, Hartford Courant columnist Kevin Rennie said that Joe Lieberman, in anticipation of losing his primary fight against Ned Lamont, planned to “shake up his campaign staff” before launching his independent Senate campaign. Spin from the Lieberman camp suggested the senator wants to replace his team with “pungent veterans who will take the fight to Lamont.”
I’ve learned, however, that the spin isn’t the whole story.
Two independent sources have confirmed that some Lieberman aides decided well in advance of yesterday’s primary that if the senator abandoned the Democratic Party for an independent campaign, they would resign in protest. Given yesterday’s results and Lieberman’s announcement, that’s exactly what’s about to happen.
The staff “shake-up,” in other words, isn’t necessarily Lieberman cleaning house — it’s Lieberman losing staffers who won’t work for someone who isn’t a Democrat.
*ilson46201,
How many names did you buy today?
(priceless anyways)
EPU’d.
I am still waiting to hear what Bill Clinton has to say about Lamont’s victory and about Bill’s future role, if any, in the race. I assume he will side with Senator Clinton in endorsing Ned, but would like to hear him say that and say he will actively campaign for Ned. What I would really like to hear is what kind of conversation he has had with Lieberman with regard to dropping his independent folly.
Has anybody heard a word out of the Big Dawg last night or today?
Hope, Shooogarp:
When you’re in a hurry and don’t have time to research, Sony is a safe choice.
As far as vidcams go, Sony makes a nice one that records direct to DVD. Make sure that its media (I think it’s DVD , but I’m not sure) is compatible with your players.
BC
Yea, CT Bob!!!
Your laptop looked like the Blues Brothers cruiser, just before it fell apart in front of the Chicago Assessors office. If you need help with a new one, don’t be bashful about asking.
Any opinions on digital video cameras? Several FDLers are in the market.
Spazeboy was talking about upgrading his digital video camera — maybe he has some opinions.
Soooo….no campaign staff, very little money coming in the door, no state apparatus behind him, no elected state officials endorsing him…I smell victory!
It’s sad, isn’t it.
I hear people are being blown up and shot in Iraq too.
That we had the worst abandonment of Americans on American soil ever and had to watch Americans drown in sewage and older, disabled Americans wait to die in unevacuated nursing homes while the President had a lovely vacation.
That we had terrorist criminals, who have still not been caught, plot and execute the massive murder of civilians on American soil, shortly after the President (also on a lovely vacation) sent a CIA agent trying to motivate him packing with a “you’ve covered your ass” snipe.
But the real problem is, as From notes, people just seem to lose civility as they watch bodies float by in floodwaters, or shoveled into mass graves, or come home draped in a flag.
Hope and Shoogarp:
If price isn’t an object, the Canon semi-pro unit is incredible. It records on metal tape, though, so you’ll have to have a firewire port on your ‘puter to move the video onto DVD.
BC
more Salon.com stuff:
neurophius @ 43
i can’t imagine we’d hear anything yet. I think Christy was right, they have to stroke Joe’s bruised ego before they drop the hammer.
Very funny mod.
Bargain Countertenor @ 45
That should read DVD-plus. WTH aren’t plus-signs showing?
BC
er…. pungent? he wants some smelly veterans to help?
CT BOB!!!!!!!!!!
What are you doing up?
Rest up for round two!
The Scooby-Doo analogy always works, doesn’t it.
As far as what Big Bill is doing, I am hoping he is on the phone with Joey. Billy could talk popcicles into not melting on a hot summer day. Well I am hoping that is what he is doing.
301
video camera seekers should buy a mini-dv format model and a firewire card for your computer if you don’t have one. anything else will just cause you difficulties down the road. sony, cannon and panasonic are the best brands….
too soon to wonder about Ned v. Joe debates, I suppose – got to wait for the dust to settle on Joe being eased out of his “army of one” bid.
travy @ 6
At least in Florida we can Baker Act someone when they become this delusional and are obviously a danger to themselves and others.
So far Hardball is all about Connecticut. Ned is coming up. This should be fun.
Wow, shades of Cruella Deville- aka Katherine Harris.
I guess Karl Rove is getting a part time job in Connecticut this Fall.
CT Bob, I can relate, I was out knocking back pints at a Cos Cob tavern till 2am, then came home and lit a victory cigar on my front porch, then wrote about the whole thing. I’ve been sleep-deprived for days…but this tremendous wave of energy is sustaining me…
As I see it, Connecticut is done with Lieberman. Nobody respects what he’s doing, including local conservatives. I don’t think he’ll make it to November; I say he’ll drop out in September.
And if not, Ned will win anyway.
Peace.
Tom @48:
Sure hope you’re right. But don’t forget about the impending assistance of Rove and “The Boss.” I know of no one more “pungent” pledging to come to his aid.
Randi Rhodes on Larry King tonight discussing the race.
As Redd would say MMMMWAHAHA!!
Laughing out loud. What a great way to spend a Wednesday afternoon!
Mack — today I just bought 2 Joe-mockery addresses
http://www.Team-CT.com
http://www.Team-Connecticut.com
but last night:
http://www.CT4Joe.com
http://www.CT4Joe2006.com
and my prize:
http://www.SoreLooserman.com
Mary for now @
31
So true, so fucking true, thank you.
Tom @ 47
you thought
Iraqjoezoe was gonna get better ???the primary was the hurdle
stick a fork in joezoe, he’s done
Bargain Countertenor @
50
Bustednuckles @ 58
The dem party should do a conference call with all dem candidates and prepare for just such an attack as they are planning on for McCaskil.
By Rove asking if these dems are Lamont dems or Joe dems, what everyone should say is we want accountability. And Bush wants no one to hold him or his administration accountable and Joe went along with that. Joe lost his bid with CT dems who are his boss. End of story.
Joe is like the poor sap whose girl-friend breaks up with him, but he keeps on calling “wanting to hang-out, as friends” in hopes she will reconsider. Yo! Joe! Conneticut Democrats broke up with you! Have some dignity and move on! She’s dating someone else! I believe he’s this smart articulate guy named Ned.
From HARDBALL
in writing just above the crawl:
Lieberman Advisor, Dan Gerstein, says, “Rove called, no help offered.”
Coming up on Hardball (later in the show, sounds like second half hour): Ned Lamont
shooogarp @ 74
can CT get a restraining order?
pungent staffers for a plangent candidate …
Okay, let me get this straight –
1. Since his fellow Democratic officials couldn’t win the primary for him, they count for nothing and it doesn’t matter that they’re gone. (I guess the same applies to his campaign staff.)
2. As with Bush and the economy, the reason people didn’t support Joe was that he didn’t explain hard enough, not because they don’t like what he stands for.
This really is approaching Katherine Harris territory…
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 20
DGX Digital Video Recorder – Walmart – $98 Plus Tax. Uses a SD Memory Card. About the size of a cigarette pack
Mary for now @ 49
Just recommented it, because I had to.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 71
Yeah, money’s always an object. Look at one of the Sony units that records direct to disk. Sony’s have good optics and good CCD sensors. Do, however, check your ‘puters DVD drive so you know what kind of media it can read. If the DVD media don’t match, editing will not be fun. Playback should be fine, though.
BC
Damnitall — I’m watching a replay of the Unity Speech this morning; I want to rip Dodd’s lips off his f*cking face for making his comments about the decision of the people.
I hope all of CT voters heard that or will hear it. Dodd needs to learn in a hurry about the voice of the people.
While we’re on video cameras…I have a 6 year old JVC mini dv and I want to convert those tapes to DVD. Laptop only has cd.
What’s the best way to get those tapes in DVD format?
I’ve heard to get a Tivo that burns DVDs.
-ck- @ 46
why was CT Bob at the Chicago Assessor’s Office ???
oh, you were refering to the Blues Mobile ???
that was the COOK COUNTY ASSESSOR’S OFFICE
it’s the small stuff that gets under my skin …
I’ve always been satisfied with Canon products in videocams. I am now awaiting an affordable HDTV videocam…
shooogarp @ 75
He’ll probably throw his hat into the ring for the presidency again tomorrow.
Code Blue on Short Ride. He’s out of his mind. We are witnessing a slow twisted game of how low can you go. So sad.
CTBOB! KIRBY! MR KIRBY! A heartfelt thank you for providing all the color to make his race the dream experience even from afar. We are so amazed at it all!
Ned Lamont on HARDBALL RIGHT NOW
RIGHT NOW
RIGHT NOW
Shoogarp
I found this linky…I’m gonna look here. And BC thanks, I’m gonna lok at the sony.
http://www.digitalvideoclub.com/index.php
Tweetie on Hardball – hard to believe, but he said it:
“How can he [Lamont] be `out of the mainstream’ if most people oppose the war in Iraq?”
Thank you Chris – for once. Is Tweetie starting to get it?
Ned is kicking ass.
Very consistent.
OMG that photo up at top looks just like Eli! :)
For Attila the Hen.
What Joe is doing right now: http://www.thecolumnists.com/m…..11art1.jpg
T-,
Check around to see if anyone you know has computer with a DVD/RW and a Firewire port. A Mac user would be a likely bet.
Offer them dinner/six-pack/bottle of scotch etc. in exchange for doing the transfer for you.
BC
Ned calls it “our nomination.”
Yeah, what video camera you want depends on your budget and what you want to do with it.
Don’t get a camera that records to DVD.
Here is a basic overview for vloggers
http://freevlog.org/index.php/…..e-cameras/
As they mention, most still cameras now take video, so you could start with that.
The big problem is it is hard to shoot long without shaking.
There are lots of sites with detailed reviews including
http://www.camcorderinfo.com
Also look at CNET.
The freevlog site has lots of good tutorials.
What’s ignored by the DLC types and Republicans who are moaning about how we could reject the man who was the Vice Presidential candidate is that the VP slot is an appointed position. It means the nominee sees some strategic purpose in having that person on the ticket, not that the person has broad support in the party.
It appears Joe never realized this either. Like Bush, who was “born on third and thought he hit a triple,” Joe was crowned by Al Gore and thought he was born royalty.
Ned is standing tall on Tweety.
John Casper @ 89
do tell, please!
It’s important to note in this post that most of those staffers were ready to quit on their own, some of them on principle, and some because they don’t want to be on the losing team.
This is just Joe’s way to save face, so that he doesn’t have to face headlines about how 2/3 of his campaign staff quit.
On another note, here’s an awesome YouTube video from last night’s Loserman speech: “They’re going to abandon you, you know that.”
Fiyero – Which should also be McCaskill’s response. The majority of americans now qualify as “left wing” per repug talking points. I for one don’t mind repugs promoting that message cause it just alienates more “americans.”
Repugs may think it is a smug, “trick” question. It is, but perhaps not how they think.
There are a number of standalone DVD recorders that support a Firewire input for download off videocams…
John Casper @
76
They figured out just how toxic Karl is to them. Sorry, bub, too little too late. We know Lieberman is getting help from that side of the fence. He can just fall off the fence onto that side. They won’t even mind that fence pole stuck up his sanctimonious ass. They’ll just think he’s paying tribute to what Karl does for him.
John Casper @ 74
I guess karl just wanted to say HI
cuz karl has a lot of free time lately, and the fact that he called loserman right after loserman lost a primary election is just a coincidence
and I love you, the check is in the mail and I won’t … (well, I probably shouldn’t go there)
nice try karl, no points this round, please play again
“Way outside the historical mainstream of this country.” Good phrase!
meta, they are talking too fast for me to live blog. All I can say is Ned is doing great, answering Tweety’s questions very directly. He is just coming off great, imho.
Thanks, Bargain Countertenor.
Artsy sister would be a good bet for that…
As for the coporate media: f*ck all y’all — and I don’t use that dreaded “Y” word lightly. It’s all Joe, all the time right now with you people. STOP IT.
You media folks don’t seem to get it. Maybe we need a graphic here. Remember the scene from Fiddler on the Roof, when Tevye with such incredible heart-rending pain rents his clothing, his 3rd daughter dead socially to him because of marrying outside the faith? Could you not feel that excruciating torment that Tevye felt, to turn his back on his own flesh, although he must do so because she had wandered off the face of his religious earth?
Yeah. THAT pain.
Joe is DEAD to us. He wandered off, declared greater loyalty to ethics that are not and will never be ours. While it is with incredbile torment and pain that we have watched this happening under our noses, tried to stop it for the last 5 years, he has wandered off to a land of the dead and now refuses to make any effort to come back.
He is DEAD to us, no longer a progressive by any stretch of the imagination, no longer a Democratic Party member. You want to call it partisanship? F*ck you. You didn’t call it that anytime during the last 12 years when Republicans beat on anyone who failed to live up to their so-called Christian fundie family values. This is OUR family, our tribe; we are people who are staunchly progressive, who put the needs of humankind above corporate interest. Joe left the family, lost his religion.
Stop speaking that name that causes us such incredible pain; you’re desecrating the dead.
Apparently Joe just needs the support of the “Right” kind of Connecticut voters. All 20% of them (see ya, Joe).
ned, on the attack on hardballz. countering tony snows comments that lamont will bring about more terrorism.
Quick, before it’s too late! We need a betting pool on how long Joe will stay in the race!
I’m tempted to go with the end of next week, but I think I’ll stick with my first instinct, and call September 1.
I think Tweetie is getting one of his man crushes on Ned.
Thanks, John Casper. That’s all I need to know!
Ned is really very sharp in answering Tweety’s questions. He’s basically ignoring the nonsense of the questions and coming down hard on George Bush.
Oh, he just said he admired Teddy Roosevelt, and Colin Powell is “my type of Republican.”
Thanks Coz…I missed your at &9 last time through. I’m gonna check on that. But not at walburglars…
Hey *ilson,
Kos has linked to
ctforlieberman.com
Is that one of yours?
Rayne @ 108:
Bravo! That was brilliant.
If you just want to back up all your videos to DVD, you can get a DVD recorder that will also record tv shows.
But if you want to edit the tapes and make better DVDs, get a DVD drive for your laptop.
Once Jane has a chance to rest, she (and people she knows) should do some posts on creating videos.
neds heros (asked by tweety) – teddy roosevelt, colin powell
any repubs running for pres u like? john mccain b/c he stands up but he is wrong on many issues
does bush have strengths? you know where he stands. he is standing in the wrong place but u know where he stands…
Nother classic joeloser republican tie is that he is going to do it for the good of the party, and God will show the sinners and all of that… essentially like the Iraq war – we are all stupid and they think they are so strong as to be above the law and democracy.
I just love the way Ned is turning Tweety’s questions around to his advantage. He’s talking like a national-stature progressive Democrat, which he is.
CLASSIC!
w0551 @ 99
I was wondering what that dude was asking Schmoe last night. Couldn’t have imagined it was that good.
tweety – why should a repub vote 4 u
ned -no lobbyist $$, fix health care, can work with business and labor to fix problems.
Tweety, asked Ned about Republicans he liked, and he mentioned Colin Powell. Disagrees with McCain on the war, but praises McCain for being against earmarks.
Ned is just kicking ass on foreign policy. He is speaking with much more detail than I have ever heard, very intelligent.
Tweety is fawing all over Ned.
This is a continuing seismic event in our nation. The corporate media is exposed for what they are: No-Nothings.
Joe is exposed for what he is: Republican scum.
Bush and Rove are exposed for what they are: Scared shitless…well, maybe not BushIdiot but Rove certainly knows the jig is up fer his fat ass.
And the more Loserman flails around in CT the less attention will be paid to others, such as Tester, allowing them to run their campaigns on the issues instead of those ol’ ReThug standbys: Fear and Racism.
Keep on keepin’ on Loserman…
Yer also gonna help us flush out the chickenshits is the Democrat Party who still wanna fellate Bush.
Although from the looks of dKos today bein’ a Bush Toady ain’t the in thing.
Neuro – I thought he could have done better on the “partisan” question. First, debunk the idea that Joe isn’t partisan or that republicans aren’t partisan. Why should he or anyone else have to have a favorite repug he could work with? And if it is legitimate question, why not ask repugs the same one. I jsut don’t like the idea of accepting the premise underlying the question – which is that dems are “partisan” and repugs are not.
I have to say thanks to everyone here at FDL for not jumping down my throat for my last post (yesterday) when I mistakenly typed something I dare not repeat again. Seeing Ned’s win gives hope to true Progressive candidates everywhere. We are having a rally against Bush and his anointed candidate for the WI-08 Congressional seat. We all cheered Ned’s win yesterday, and we’re hoping that Nedmentum will carry across the country!
Thank you to the voters of CT, and thanks to all here that worked and gave to Ned to get the ball rolling for 2006 and beyond!
I thought Ned handled the Bush question very gracefully…
OldCoastie @ 113
Big Time!
Ned was great by the way
Shorter Joe: “I have to destroy the Democratic Party in order to save it.”
NEDLOVE.
What gleex said.
ned on hardball done now. they were talking so fast. tweety needs to go wash his shorts now, i think he made a stain.
Partisanship in the pursuit of virtue is not a vice.
On the PBS Newshour (transcript/audio/video/podcast available tonight at http://pbs.org/newshour/ )
ANTI-WAR VICTORY
Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) lost Tuesday’s Democratic Senate primary in Connecticut to anti-war candidate Ned Lamont, but plans to stay in the race by running as an Independent.
Gwen Ifill reports on the results and then speaks with Lamont about his victory and plans for the rest of his campaign. Then, Ifill speaks with Lieberman about continuing his re-election campaign as an Independent.
Finally, Ray Suarez discusses what Lamont’s victory means for Democrats nationally in November with guests Mark Pazniokas, a reporter for the Hartford Courant who has been covering the Lamont – Lieberman race over the past several months, and Mark Mellman, veteran Democratic pollster and strategist.
Y’know, I’m wondering just how many of the last minute registrees to the democratic party were rethugs, fearful of a Lamont win. And if they hadn’t registered, would not Lamont have won by about 10 percentage points.
jk @
43
Here’s a two-part tin foil hat:
First, these staffers were well-connected with good Democratic Senators. They started in June, IIRC, when the establishment basically told Joe, we’ll support you in the primary, but we’ll support only Democrats in the general. So their departure may have as much to do with their more Demcratic Senate affiliates than just their own sense of principle.
Now here’s my second (extra large size) tinfoil. Holy Joe no doubt knew he was going indy and knew he was parting ways with his staff, one way or another. Yesterday, he called the FBI because he’s too cheap to run his website properly. Today, he had a nice friendly chat with the king of the ratfuck, Karl Rove.
Well, the staffers who, yesterday, suggested that Ned hacked Joe’s site may now be in some legal jeopardy, after the FBI discovers that Holy Joe is just a cheapwad with a Ted Stevens’ sized understanding of the Internets.
Did Sanctimonious Joe set up his soon-to-be-departed campaign staff to take the fall for a Karl Rove ratfuck, knowing they were parting ways.
As I said, several layers of tinfoil here. But Karl is definitely capable of it. Is Joe?
WOW Ned has really grown in his interviews…I knew he would he is smart…Tweety was fawning…..He answered questions and was sharp
Tweet E.’s in lu-u-uv . . .
Evil Parallel Universe:
You have a point there. But I am still impressed with how strongly Ned is coming across on TV. He has really grown in that respect during the course of the campaign, IMO.
RE: McCain
I still wish Democrats who legitimately like him and agree with him would refrain from saying so for awhile. They need to realize that he’s going to be on the other side of the ‘08 Presidential ticket (most likely) from our Democratic candidate and doesn’t need a laundry list of supportive Democratic quotes to use in campaign ads. McCain is just another conservative Republican who just happens to have enough balls to speak out against his party’s excesses occasionally but not enough to actually do anything about it.
Christy, I definitely would ask John at C&L to put up a tape of Ned on HARDBALL.
He just blew me away.
IMO, it was his best performance by a long long way and I have thought all of his performances up until now have been great.
Tweety was firing at him from all angles. The, “who are Republicans that you respect” was from left field and Ned hit it “outta the park.”
Hopefully, the Lieberman campaign will be the “last hurrah” for the NeoCons.
The NeoCons in the media are already mobilizing behind Holy Joe. This afternoon I heard David Brooks on NPR singing the praise of Lieberman as a moderate non-partisan Senator.
People like Brooks have to believe we are a nation of idiots if they think we still believe their propaganda.
This afternoon Lieberman got the endorsement of Mayor Bloomberg of New York. That should be worth a few million in campaign contributions.
I belong to the school that believes it is a good thing that Lieberman is staying in the race. It will be an opportunity to put these scumbags away permanently.
John Casper @ 123
tweety only has two speeds
sarcastic dismisal
and manlove
great, now we got tweety humping Lamont’s leg, that can’t be good …
Ned was great. Handled all of Tweety’s questions with poise, eloquence, intelligence. Even the “Which Republicans are your heroes?” potential BS pitfall. I’d have been stumped, frozen. Chuck Todd after: “I thought that was a candidate who sounded very mature.” Amen brother. Go NED!
Yes, Lamont on Tweety’s show is a revelation. A powerful statement by him, forthright, principled, honest and firm – a truly fresh air, needed to blow away the double-talk and mealy-mouthed behavior among some Dems in the Congress.
emptywheel @ 137
Money foil, empty.
F#!k Tweety, guy is a total fluffer for corporate media. Stupid, arrogant and a jerk…
Hey, kinda like Loserman and his pay BushDogg!
“Tweety is fawing all over Ned.”
Back off Tweety! Ned is dating Connecticut!
John Casper @ 140
seconded
now THAT’S a Senator
As I commented at C&L (my way of eating crow):
I predicted that he would be too dispirited to run after losing the primary. Now I see why I was wrong about that.
He’s got the psychological defense mechanism of full-blown delusionary denial in play.
Pathetic.
emptywheel — yeah, he’s up to it, Joe would do a ratf*ck on people for political expediency.
He’s been doing it to the entire Democratic Party since he slipped the shiv to Clinton.
DEAD to us. Joe is NO progressive, NO Democratic Party member.
my 2 cents:
I’ve had a Canon Optura for over six years. Mini DV is getting passe, but, I’ve loved the camera. It has made many i-movies for ve and both kids and has seen all sorts of abuse on boats, jungle trails, sandy beaches, arctic blizzards – and it just keeps working perfectly.
John Casper 142 – agreed, he was great. especially in an era when we are used to hearing our stammering drunk simian preznit’s ummm ummm uhhhhhs and mispronounced and misused words (misunderpronounced maybe?)
“with a Ted Stevens’ sized understanding of the Internets”
LMAO.
Always an honor, emptywheel, to have you on an FDL thread. Thanks so much for all you do.
emptywheel #137:
If anything got in the way of your scenario, it wouldn’t be Joe’s conscience. But it might be a stretch that he’d have known enough about the toobz to have set it up, and he still might be culpable if an r.f. order could be traced back to him, right?
But if Karl was talking Joe thru it early enough…hmmm.
If Ned Lamont is always going to be “anti-war candidate Ned Lamont” in the MSM, can we please start having “pro-war Republican scumbag X” in the same byline? You know, for fairness and balance…
Howard Fineman said…They are going to have a real hard time making a characature of Ned Lamont…DUH ya think Howard?
Neuro – Ned WAS good. And Tweety WAS sorta fawning. Ned comes off as a sane, successful businessman with a social conscious – a tough image to successfully attack. That being said, the idea that Joe is trying to sell, and which repugs have sold and continue to try to sell, is that TEAM LOSER is centrist and dems by definition therefor are not, and thus dems need to be bipartisan. I wouldn’t miss any chance I got to speak out against that particularly bullshit.
Bobby St. Chomsky @ 2:30 pm (#136) – That’s why I asked about exit polls earlier. I’m wondering how many folks switched parties to vote for Lieberman, as opposed to who may have registered for the first time to vote for either.
HopeSat and shoegarp
I did the research. Canon Elura 100. Works great, is small, is inexpensive. CTBlogger was impressed by mine. It works with both Mac and PC. Direct to DVD cameras are only PC and the quality isn’t as good.
what EPU said
WRT McCain, the only positive I recall from Ned was McCain on honest government, NO PORK, “no earmarks.” He specifically criticized McCain on just about everything else.
ew, Kennyboy Mehlman on the tv – he makes me a little naseous
Excuse me moderators!
Would you please see if my comments have been stuck in moderation? None of my comments today have posted.
HeirofPatriots
Wilson46201 @ 2:10 pm “and my prize:
http://www.SoreLooserman.com”
Did you also obtain http://www.SoreLoserman.com?
The conflict in Lebanon is poised to deepen. The Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his Cabinet have approved authority for Israeli forces to push to the Litani River. This advance will not happen immediately but within a few days and Olmert has been given the power to abort it. This decision can be seen as a way of putting pressure on the Security Council to back the French-American resolution with no or minimal changes. This is a dangerous miscalculation and the White House even went so far today as to call for no escalations by anyone, meaning Israel.
The Internet is not just making it influence felt in Senate races in Connecticut. In the past, the French and the Americans could have expected a reasonable chance of success in presenting and passing a bogus resolution to “end the fighting and provide a permanent solution” without anyone being the wiser but not so anymore. Both the text and discussion of the text are suddenly widely available through the Net. As a result, neither France nor the US can hide its onesidedness, unfairness, and blatant disregard for the facts on the ground. The Net also makes it easier for Lebanon and the Arab League to challenge it and a country like Russia to veto it.
In the Internet Age, France and the US needed to propose an actual workable solution and not just a backhanded attempt to gain for Israel a victory it could not win on the battlefield. As it is, Israel is trying to use its threats of a wider war to force through a resolution that is fundamentally a nonstarter and is in the process painting itself into a corner. It is important to realize that there are real negatives to an expansion of the conflict for Israel.
1) It may not stop rocket attacks on Northern Israel.
2) It will not destroy Hezbollah.
3) It will increase Israeli casualties and lead to the guerilla war and quagmire that Israel extricated itself from 6 years ago.
4) It could lead to a failed or semi-failed state on its northern borders making Israelis less safe in the long run.
5) It could lead to greater dependence on Syria and Iran of whatever remains of the government in Lebanon.
6) It will further tarnish Israel’s image internationally and could lead to terrorism against Israelis and Israeli institutions abroad.
7) It will place added strains on the always precarious Israeli economy.
Mini DV is getting passe
as opposed to what, hdv-cam? people have budgets and the 24p models that are currently available take really great pictures for the money. the panasonic dvx-100 is particularly nice…
Tweety called Lieberman “the rejected Democrat”
Cujo359,
If I’m not mistaken, in CT for a registered Repub or Dem to change registrations they had to do it back a month or so ago.
Agh. Tweety has that stupid moron Mehlman on…asks him to “say something nice about Schlessinger”, and then asks him whether “he’s clean”.
Jeepers. Mehlman actually pauses TWICE, once before each answer.
Mehlman denying any knowledge of the Rove call, after trying to claim that ABC’s Stephanopolous was erroneous. Tweety calls him on it — for once.
Ned is coming off as a rock star on Tweety’s show. He hit every question out of the park.
YES!
Casper@ 140,
I agree with you. Ned did such a great job—he has really improved! (And think how tired he must be by now…) I thought the questions were so bizarre: “Why should a Republican vote for you?” Hunh? I couldn’t think of a quick response, and Ned did great. I really hope he keeps talking about entrepreneurs being held back because of our country’s lack of national health care. He is getting better and better every day.
n/t – WTF are they smoking over at Time?
60% of the American people are against the war in Iraq, yet these morons at Time keep spouting the usual Republican talking points. I really hope they keep using this “Democrats are weak on security” meme because it won’t work this time. Lamont proved that yesterday. They still don’t get it.
well huh… Mehlman not even endorsing his OWN repug candidate in CT!
Noonan @ 128
We knew it was a typo, Noonan. It was late and you were tired. No problemo.
to emptywheel at 135
I wouldn’t put it past them, but where’s the payoff for joezoe ???
any outcome has the “joezoe loserman for Senate” label, and that ain’t good
unless joezoe has secretly come to the realization that he is TOAST, I don’t think he’d cooperate with such a stupid plan
karl could have played joezoe for a fool, I’d buy that
just my two cents
Mhelman said lieberman was like JFK
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 20:
Here ya go:
http://tinyurl.com/ngk5t
Cheap but good DV video cameras. I have the more-expensive version of the Panasonic PV-GS39 (the GS150) and it’s terrific. The Canon ZR500 gets even better ratings, and is a little less expensive to boot.
Great news about Ned on HARDBALL. This is exacty what he should be doing: countering the nutty leftist partisan meme they’re desperately trying to spread.
I don’t even mind that he said decent things about McCain and Powell, if he’s able to get past the spin and the so-called “moderates” to take another look at him. This may be where November really gets decided.
Interesting that Ken Mehlman refuses to outright endorse the Repug candidate in Connecticut; he just keeps saying that is for the Republicans in Connecticut to decide.
Is he so reticent to tell Republican Party organizations in other states what to do?
Has he received his orders from Rove yet?
twolf1 @ 178
They are becoming psychotic.
Do you believe that Mehlman will not clearly endorse Schlessinger. This is the opposite of Ned.neurophius @ 181
Mehlman is a complete disaster. Tweety is beating the crap out of him. Why won’t he endorse Schlessinger?
Mehmen. Won’t. Endorse. Sclessinger.
RevDeb @ 161
Thanks, RevDeb! I’m saving this comment for future reference.
unfortunately, http://www.SoreLoserman.com was bought on Nov. 10, 2000 by somebody in Savannah, Georgia. They kept ownership but have no website for that precious address. I am tempted to call them and inquire of the price.
there are no comments trapped in moderation — they get sprung usually within a few minutes …
HopeSAT & Shoegarp
Read the review:
Here.
freepatriot, emptywheel — the payoff is anything in front of the committees on which Joe is currently leading/senior/ranking Dem.
Rove offered him something, may have been as little as advice, to put the screws to the Dems. Bet dollars to donuts that Rover told Joe to tell Reid to p*ss off if Reid tries to yank the committee seats from him, that he’d make sure he had funding if he held out and caucused on a so-called “bi-partisan” basis.
It’s a Rovian ratf*ck in process, and Joe will be an enabler just as he always has.
(BTW — Did we ever find out who showed up with Capitol police at Joe’s office on Monday??)
Melhman said ronnie raygun caused 9-11
that accusation against ned, that he’ll cause another 9-11 attack just BLEW UP in mehlman’s face
basically, the repuglicans are saying that Ned wants to run like a coward JUST LIKE RONNIE RAYGUN AND GEORGE H W BUSH DID IN BERUIT AND MOGADISHU, and that running LIKE THE COWARDLY REPUGLICANS DID IN THE PAST will invite another attack
thanks ken, I guess Bill Clinton WASN’T responsible for 9-11
it was all ronnie raygun’s fault
and george h w bush
and their cowardly “cut and run” strategy
Tweety to Mehlman: “Are you saying that Ronald Reagan caused 9-11?” all because of Snow’s asinine remarks this morning. I love it when these guys get caught with foot-in-mouth and get called on the idiocy of the logical ends of their arguments. Now Tweety’s calling him on his failure to endorse his own candidate in CT. Kenny’s gonna need a stiff drink after this interview.
Kudos for Chris Matthews calling Mehlman out for his cut-and-run on Republican candidate Schlesinger in the CT race….ouch.
mehlman off the tube now but he was really pushing the cut-n-run line. but stumbled when tweety said “but Reagan cut and ran”
Samurai Sam @ 157
My sentiments exactly
Tweety is divesting himself of his repug pals…
Tweety, for once, was actually entertaining.
God it feels good to win.
White House: Lieberman loss means Dems raising ‘white flag’
CRAWFORD, Texas (CNN) — The White House on Wednesday used Sen. Joseph Lieberman’s loss in Connecticut’s Democratic primary to blast opposition to the war in Iraq, saying national Democrats are “walking away” from the conflict.
Snow said President Bush was not commenting on the primary results and would not aid Lieberman’s independent bid. But he said the race indicated Democrats are ready to raise a “white flag” in the war in Iraq…
_____
Thus sayeth Decorated War Veteran Tony Snow.
_
Steve @ 223
Just to be clear, Ned specifically mentioned that in his opinion, Powell was not allowed to carry out his policies in the ME.
Lamont not only pulled off a state-wide campaign, he energized the nation like no other democrat since Clinton. The netroot recognition is a real force, and he will always have our support because he actually won!
My question is, how long until he becomes a Presidential candidate, people? He seemed so comfortable answering the question what would you have done differently if you were president. Seemed to me it was something he had thought about.
Sh*t — the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.
What exactly is Rove’s current job title and description? How’s it fit in this scenario?
Important point Samurai Sam–
And if one still feels he just has to say McCain’s a great guy, at least say: “I liked the John McCain of 2000. But the John McCain of today, I’m not so sure, because he’s less of a straight shooter, something about him’s changed . . .”
Rayne @ 186
well then, I’m WAAAAAAYYY ahead of karl on this one
I contacted my Senators last night, and asked if they’re in favor of removing loserman from any Democratic leadership positions he holds
we need to run with this NOW folks
1-888-355-3588, toll free
get in your Senatos’ ears NOW
joezoe needs to be tossed overboard TODAY
we’ve done it before and we can do it again
rubber stamps anyone ???
The U.S. is not leading foreign policy anywhere in the world. And it’s allowing Israel to lead us down the avenue to perdition. There seems only two conclusions to be drawn from the Bush/Rice inaction. Either Washington does not want to control events. Or it can’t. It really doesn’t matter. The result is going to be the same either way. Our goose is going to get cooked.
According to DeadEye, President Ronald Reagan was responsible for 9/11.
BobbyG @ 196
What a collection of idiots. The national D-establishment was campaigning for HoJo. Did they miss that somehow?
OT — Bobby, Mrs BC and I are going to be in LV over Labor Day weekend. Can you recommend any good jazz venues?
BC
mercury @ 180
How dare you support his right to say decent things about McCain and Powell? Haven’t you heard about the Purity Test of the Mad Bloggers? Fie!
(The NYTimes has a hilarious sentence in it’s write up from this afternoon, about how Lamont had to “battle the perception that he is the multimillionaire pawn of the bloggers”…they are fucking clueless. It’s like watching my mom try to work her digital camera.
twolf1 @ 190
he didn’t stumble, he DIED
and he killed the meme
ronnie raygun is the ANTI CUT AND RUN POSTER BOY
that’s a fuckup folks
What is Tweety on these days, anyway?
freepatriot — it’s a double-edged sword, though.
What’s Reid’s incentive package that he can wave under Joe’s nose to keep him from caucusing NOW with Republicans?
Joe’s committee seats. In other words, Joe can keep his seats to end of term if he plays on this side of the aisle until then…
Israel is reporting that they have killed members of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard fighting alongside Hezbollah. According to papers found on them.
I hope that the documents are better than the Texas Air National Guard forgeries.
-GSD
This sure could be used to escalate things.
P.S. Ned was great on Hardball. Seems like Chris has been eating his Wheaties.
I’m not a normal person, I get really single focused at times
I know things
OT While there are tragic, real world consequences to what is going on in Lebanon, one of the ways to understand it is to look at it as a complicated, convoluted game. If you look at the Lebanese proposal to dispatch 15,000 troops to the South, for example, it really was wickedly clever, if something of a nonstarter. You see Israel and the US have demanded that Lebanon exercise authority over the whole of its territory. The US plan has been for an international force to come in, at some point the Israelis would withdraw, and then the area would be turned over to the Lebanese Army.
There were always numerous flaws in this plan. The Israelis, Hezbollah, and an international force occupying the same area is a recipe for disaster. You would not be able to tell who was shooting at whom. Getting the Israelis to actually leave would be another major problem. I mean the last time they were there it was for 18 years. Who and how Hezbollah was going to be disarmed was never seriously addressed either because everyone knows that until and unless Hezbollah decides to disarm itself, it ain’t goin’ to happen. The Israelis haven’t been able to do it in the last 24 years. And it was never contemplated that the international force was going to fight Israel’s war for it or do what Israel could not. As for the Lebanese Army, weak and containing many Shia, it illustrates how dubious and futile all these strategies of dealing with Hezbollah without actually dealing with Hezbollah are. It is supposed to be the linchpin, the guarantor of sovereignty, the maintainer of peace. Yet in reality it couldn’t clean up manure in a one horse town.
The beauty of the Lebanese proposal was that it calls bullsh*t on these fantasies. It said, Let’s cut to the chase. You want to turn over the South to the Lebanese Army? Fine, we send in the Army, no need for an international force, no reason for the Israelis to stay. Problem solved! Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Now the US and Israel are in the awkward position of both wanting them there because they are indispensable and not wanting them there because they are useless.
Matthews always just wants to be on the winning side. It doesn’t matter which side it is, he plays to power.
neuro – I think Tweety is “on” his man crush! lil flush o’ testosterone will do a man good…
Samurai Sam @ 141
Watch the show or the tape when it comes out. Tweety asked Ned a question: is there anything about any Republican presidential candidates you like? Ned said he liked a couple of things about McCain (the issues where McCain agrees with Feingold, btw) but added that he’s wrong on the war and wrong on choice. I thought it was brilliant. McCain won’t be using that in acommercial. Really.
uncle toby @ 200
McCain’ss not only less of a straight shooter, he’d be an even more dangerous president than Bush. His simple minded militarism (and I use every term advisedly) would wreak havoc in the world. For a GOOPer, he’d be about the best we could hope for, domestically, and I’d love to have dinner with him, but as President he would make what people thought about Goldwater reality to an exponential degree.
BC 204 -
Ronnie Foster at The Artisan, for sure. He is a MONSTER jazz pianist, and my friend. Also, the Sunday night jazz jam at The Hurricane attracts loads of excellent players.
Check my blog:
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.
OMG,
Amato has an amazing Lewis Black on TDS. Went after Lieberdroid and K. Harris. Missed it last night (was kind of busy celebrating in CT). Bless Amato and Black!
A MUST see.
The more the Israel-Lebanon conflict heats up, the more Republican Jews will come out for Joe. It is a political fact we need to recognize, part of the calculus of politics of the Middle East. Joe means favorable US support for Israel, Ned, a big question mark. Hence, Republicans Bloomberg and Mehlman for Joe. And no, I am not anti-semitic, just realistic.
To HopeSpringsATurtle @ 20 – Ask RevDeb what she has. She has a small high res video camera that from what she said was a reasonable price. She has awesome video and it looks great on a computer.
I just got back from CT. What a blast it was. Ned Lamont is the real deal. Shit, he needs to run for President. His campaign staff is outstanding. I’ve never met a more professional group of college students in my life. Megan, Rosemary and Christine if you’re reading this I just want to say that you all are the best. I hope to see you again in November.
My girlfriend is really jealous. She wanted to know what it was like attending a victory party instead of a wake. It was great and I had a hard time not making her feel bad for not coming. I’m hoping that more people show up in November because it’ll be even better then.
Congresswoman Maxine Waters is the best and from her comments to the bloggers last night at the victory party shows that she knows exactly how important bloggers can be to spread the word about great candidates and to empower the grassroots.
To RevDeb, Scarcrow, Catherine and Celise – thanks so much. I had a great time and it wouldn’t have been the same without you.
Gina – it was an honor to meet you. Drop me a line at my name plus yahoo dot com. I want to volunteer for August.
Jewish Republicans are oxymoronic — in 2004 Bush got only 25% of the Jewish vote and that was a high figure for the GOP.
The GOP doesnt particularly care for Jews either — there is only one GOP Jewish Congresscritter but that’s one more than the number of GOP African-American congresscritters!…
*ilson46201 at 186, thanks for checking for my comments. I’ll try again.
The good news from Illinios is Senator Durbin is on the record for Ned Lamont.
I am sorry to hear Ned admires Colin Powell. Gen. Powell is one of the fortunate few who had a date with history–and was lacking in character when it counted. Powell’s UN speech sent all of his hard work and career into the dust-bin of history. (BTW Nader is a piece of crap also)
I feel some sympathy for Powell,the loyal soldier, until I think of the death and ruined lives that could have been stopped with a show of courage.
OldCoastie @
213
not if you are a championship bicycle racer … (or maybe it did?)
Dilireus 174 – keep in mind that the Mike Allen who wrote that piece is the same Mike Allen who opined for Fox that the Enron convictions would be “good for Bush” and that Katrina was a mere blip on the radar screen of missed speechifying opportunities. One that would be swiftly overcome with a three part approach where the center part involved —- pretending it didn’t happen.
http://www.time.com/time/archi…..81,00.html
I’m not gonna say that a reporter who:
minimizes Katrina response and
maximizes Lieberman’s loss into something that most Missouri Voters will give a darn about and a winning campaign strategy for Talent,
. . . has been in the beltway too long, but I’m thinking traffic on 95 during rush hour moves at a faster clip than the neural impulses inside the beltway.
Cut and Run 101
Just use this simple spin point.
Cut and run?
Like (R)Eisenhower from Korea?
Like (R)Nixon from Vietnam?
Like (R)Reagan from Lebanon?
Like (R)G.H.W. Bush from Iraq?
Like (R)George W. Bush from the U.S. Constitution?
-GSD
Ned’s on the News Hour -PBS.
Have to wonder how much the latest adventure in Lebanon will cost the American taxpayer. And this whole thing is not going to solve anything. However, it will destabilize the Mideast even further. Now that’s a major accomplishment. Isn’t it?
Mehlman “Cuts-and-Runs” on Connecticut Republican Senate Candidate….now that’s a title of a good story.
L-Man has been a Senator for 18 years and
dammit he is not done yet!! He is not going
to let this STAND!! If he cant be a fence
sitting Democrat then he will just screw the
Democrats and become INDEPENDENT!! Besides
HE will decide what is best for CT…not those
pesky “lefties” and cyber rads of the INET
who dont have the best interests of the
Democrat party at heart like he does…Bush
must be grinning and Rove high-fiving over
the L-Man’s being so full of himself…
I’m thinking all this MSM exposure can only help Ned. One thing that isn’t remarked upon often enough is that if you strip away all the emotion (and downright hysteria on the part of some) and Lieberman’s incumbent status, Lamont is a very good candidate
@168: “Israel is trying to use its threats of a wider war to force through a resolution that is fundamentally a nonstarter and is in the process painting itself into a corner. It is important to realize that there are real negatives to an expansion of the conflict for Israel.”
Israel does not seem to have learned any lessons from the defeat of its past efforts to occupy Lebanon. And, this is a different Hezbollah from the one Israel previously confronted – today Nasrallah is threatening to turn Southern Lebanon into a “graveyard for Israeli soldiers”.
Schadenfraude is a bitch, and so is karma.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 226
I could have done that without even trying …
but we all know IT’S HARD WORK
george bush could fuck up a two car parade
Rayne @ 2:51 pm “…the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.
What exactly is Rove’s current job title and description? How’s it fit in this scenario?”
To answer your first question, let us try to answer this question: which of his duties did he part with this past spring?
*ilson @ 224 – wuhl… if he hadn’t gotten caught, it might have been a “good thing”!
Lint Tv has Lamont on (not live) now…
GSD @ 224
damn, we haven’t had a decent and competent repuglican president since teddy ???
I seem to remember blogging for teddy, back in the day …
Bush only got 25% of the Jewish vote. I don’t necessarily doubt that. But how are those stats arrived at?
He really is a sore loser man.
Who are the people who he thinks support him?
He has taken himself out of the democratic party…
What a spoiled brat!
Joe go away gracefully if you know how…
punaise @77
LMAO – too funny!
the thing that strikes me about Joe is he has NO LOYALTY… he’s expecting loyalty from everyone else, but doesn’t see how he betrays people – the Democratic Party, the people of Connecticut…
Me thinks that Bill Clinton campaigning for Lieberman (on Hillary’s behalf) didn’t help Lieberman and may have hurt him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01671.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01064.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nat…..oll_shows/
This is in response to last thread, I wasn’t home and didn’t see it.
I’m going to a house party tomorrow to meet Sherrod Brown.
So excited!
(What do you wear to such a thing? It’s a house party. I don’t have a single thing.)
Froomkin;
The Anti-Bush Movement
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Wednesday, August 9, 2006; 2:18 PM
Political fledgling Ned Lamont’s unlikely triumph over President Bush’s favorite Democrat in the Connecticut Senate primary lends itself to all sorts of fascinating interpretations — and one is that it could mark the emergence of an anti-Bush voting bloc.
Lamont’s out-of-nowhere victory, fueled by his depiction of incumbent Joseph Lieberman as a presidential patsy, suggests a political awakening of that sizeable group of Americans who intensely disapprove of Bush, his war in Iraq, and pretty much anything else he touches.
snip
Amen.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00879.html
He fired his staff because Rove called him and told him that he’d send some people up to run his next campaign as an indy. Hope they trounce him in the general if he really does it.
now lou dobbs is reporting on the DoD lies before the 9-11 commission
did somebody slip something in the cocktail weenies ???
al-Scooter @
156
That’s the scenario. Karl either walks Sanctimonious Joe’s incompetent techies through the whole thing, or he just has James Tobin do the hack for him.
Oklahoma kiddo @
238
Exit polling … no big mystery
244 Bustednuckles says:
Lamont’s out-of-nowhere victory, fueled by his depiction of incumbent Joseph Lieberman as a presidential patsy, suggests a political awakening of that sizeable group of Americans who intensely disapprove of Bush, his war in Iraq, and pretty much anything else he touches.
snip
Amen.
********
Amen!!!
Now HoJo is on PBS. Yuck. Ned was quite good, but interestingly, I thought he was better with Tweety. Off the wall questions may suit him better than Gwen Ifill’s more straightforward questions — which invited a polished, soundbite response.
HoJo is just despicable. Whine, whine, whine, attack Ned, whine some more.
GSD @
209
Those papers are more likely to look like some certain Niger forgeries we know of, I’d wager. Anything to start a war, you know.
you gotta figure Schlessiger is really feeling scr*wed these days… repugs are backing Joe, he’s not going to get any money from the RNC…
Barone is on Faux News
“Ned voters don’t believe America is a special country and have secular views.”
Godless fools who hate America. That’s us.
Joe said the Generals in Iraq should make the decision to withdraw, not some politician back in Connecticut.
DeGaulle said war was too important to be left up to the Generals…
Que Vive DeGaulle! (et Québec libre)
here’s some positive news – On the Brian Lehrer radio show I heard a caller who voted for Lieberman say that Lieberman needs to drop out of the race.
That’s fromaI guy who voted for him…. It seems to me that Lieberman is going to have to count only on the Republicans.
Oklahoma kiddo @ #238:
Several organizations poll political preferences of racial, cultural, ethnic and religious elements of the population. The preponderance of American Jews have supported liberal candidates through the 20th century. The civil rights battle of that century and the late 19th century had many Jewish leaders. It has only been since the 1970s and 80s that prominent Jewish intellectuals from the right have become an increasingly important presence in right wing politics and policy making.
Over the course of US history, Jews have recognized anti-Semitism on both sides of the political aisle, but Republicans are thought to be less tolerant. William Safire, in his otherwise positive book about Nixon, _Before the Fall_, describes the deep-seated anti-Semitism of Nixon and some of Nixon’s cronies, even as Nixon came to rely more and more on Henry Kissinger.
Some of the most outspoken and articulate critics of Israeli and American policies in the middle east have been and are Jewish.
Ned voters don’t “believe America is a special country” they MAKE America a special country.
Toothfairies are for “believing in.”
Countries are for digging in and working hard to build and defend from idiots.
Ned voters don’t confuse Osama Bin Laden and Sadaam Hussein.
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Lieberman submits 18,000 signatures for independent run
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Punaise @77 – Joe, they’re just not that into you…
Fun New French Fry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm_n76Dsl0c
Contents of the Iranian Guard papers revealed:
Dear Mr. Olmert,
We are working for the Ayatollah.
Signed,
Dead Terrorist Guys
-GSD
TPM digs into the conflicting http://www.Joe2006.com conflicting stories from LieberTechies
kalina77 @ 253
I heard that too. Then there was the other guy who was a registered republican who changed his registration to vote for Ned.
Oh — and someone upthread asked about the DC plates at Lieberlooser’s headquarters yesterday afternoon. I think I read somewhere on the tubes that it was Boehmer.
Bearing gifts from Rover?
emptywheel @ 3:26 pm – “That’s the scenario. Karl either walks Sanctimonious Joe’s incompetent techies through the whole thing, or he just has James Tobin do the hack for him.”
Although Karl knows a lot about direct marketing, I don’t think that whatever expertise he possesses extends to knowledge of the intricacies of the inner workings of a Web site. Someone else would have to hack it for him (or perhaps it could be said that he can’t hack it).
I think that Jamie and others cogently demonstrated that Senator Lieberman’s Web site(s) weren’t hacked.
Lieberman loss talking point shootdown 101:
Republican meme:
“This shows that the Democrat party is being run by the extreme leftwing”.
Shootdown:
“You have been saying the “Democrat Party” IS the extreme leftwing for 30 years. Are you now saying the party has been moderate all of this time and you have been lying?”
-GSD
Boehner was in CT to do a fundraiser for Chris Shays. No biggie…
…what I want to know is: when I call my senators to tell them to vote Lieberman off the committees, exactly what committees are we talking about? Can someone give me some “talking points” so I don’t sound like an idiot? thanks in abvance…
Well you know, I thought about exit polls and figured that would be the response. But I also recall many exit polls giving Al Gore the presidential election. I still don’t necessarily doubt the number. Respectfully, I remain unconvinced. I am cogent of the fact (I think it’s a fact, that is) that the Democrats have traditionally garnered, generally speaking, the Jewish vote. I think I’ve also heard it said that exit polls are suspect because people will tell you one thing upon exit, while doing something entirely different in the booth. Actually, the exit poll reliability and methodology bothers a trifle. So…for me it remains a “mystery”.
Ralph Nader gave Israel hell tonite on Democracy Now, wrt the new environmental disaster (oil spill), killing of civilians, bombing ambulances and hospitals…etc. Will anyone in the MSM wake up regarding Lebanon?
Also, any more news on the “hacking” ??
Lieberman was on the Armed Services Cmte and the Homeland Security Cmte but he couldnt defend his own webserver from attack? Give us a break!
Be gone, cursed bold.
*ilson, how’s the traffic at the Joe for Himself site?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
264
Oh yeah. That argument IS totally illogical, isn’t it. So if Joementum had his staff make a federal case out of something that was his own negligence, then it’s likely his doing alone, without Mr. Ratfuck.
best info on the “hacking” TPM
From NBC Nightly News…
“Team Connecticut” is what they’re (Lieberman?) calling his Indy run. Designed to court Democrats, Independents AND Republicans.
*ilson46201 @ 273
Yeah, over 48 hours since it all began, and they still haven’t coordinated their stories!
ccmask, 269: “Ralph Nader gave Israel hell tonite on Democracy Now, wrt the new environmental disaster (oil spill), killing of civilians, bombing ambulances and hospitals…etc. Will anyone in the MSM wake up regarding Lebanon?”
I don’t know how widely known this is, but Ralph Nader is ethnically Lebanese.
That’s a new word for me today. Israeli’s that won’t fight in the Lebannon war are calling themselves “Refuseniks”. I never heard of that…
http://www.Team-Connecticut.com
or
http://www.Team-CT.com for short
LOL Tim Tagaris:
ccmask @ 279
That’s been around at least since they refused to serve in the areas of the Palestinian camps.
ccmask @ 277
That is what they called themselves when they refused during the last invasion/occupation of Lebanon. And there are some refuseniks who won’t murder civilians and bulldoze houses in the occupied territories.
twolf1 @
178
as long as that meant “Just F*ckin’ Kidding”
How about a poll for the three-way race?
when is Quinnipiac weighing in?
zogby?
anyone?
*ilson46201 @ 280
LOL
spiderpaws @ 3:41 pm “…what I want to know is: when I call my senators to tell them to vote Lieberman off the committees, exactly what committees are we talking about?”
Please click on this link to see the list of committees he’s on:
http://lieberman.senate.gov/about/committees.cfm
Joe is a Party of One now. If he hadn’t fired his staff they would have had to quit. However, he might have laid them off so they could collect unemployment. Maybe they can claim they were fired for no good reason and get unemployment anyway.
And besides, he can’t trust them anymore. They owe allegiance to his opponent’s party. They could be moles or traitors or even terrorists!
This guy is in deep doo doo. He hasn’t thought this through at all. What’s his wife up to? Is she planning to go down with the ship too?
IMPEACH BUSHCO & U.S. OUT OF IRAQ NOW !!!!!
We get an early broadcast of the NewsHour on PBS — you have got to watch — first story of the day after the news summary, first Ned then Lieberman.
For three incumbents to lose primaries on the same day… it’s a new day. So bright, we better wear shades.
ccmask, from wikipedia:
“Refusal to serve in the Israeli military includes both refusal to obey specific orders and refusal to serve in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in any capacity due to pacifistic or antimilitaristic views or disagreement with the policies of the Israeli government as implemented by the army. People who refuse to serve in either capacity are sometimes called refuseniks (Hebrew: סרבנים, pronounced sarvanim).”
and:
“Refusenik’ (in Hebrew: סרבן read sar-van) is used by Israeli soldiers and reservists who refuse to serve in the occupied territories, in protest against Israel’s actions in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Recently, the term was also used to describe soldiers who refuse to remove Israeli settlements from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.”
I don’t know about the rest of you (he-he) but for me the election last night was stress-free. I decided to take a quick nap at 6:30 PM before all the excitement started…I woke up at 3:38 AM. I couldn’t believe I did that! I lifted my laptop into my bed and started it up and logged onto firedoglake. What a surprise to see that Ned had won!
New thread.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments
John McCain is just as dirty (and hungry for money) as any of the Bushies. Don’t confuse the appearance of integrity for the real thing. Just ask RGJ.
emptywheel @ 3:46 pm -
Who arrived at (or more likely jumped to) the conclusion that Joe’s sites had been hacked? Was it someone who couldn’t describe what happened to the sites because of unfamiliarity with arcane computer terminology?
travy @
60
JVC has models for around $600 that record to a hard drive (30GB). No need to mess with the tapes; just a straight download to your ‘pooter.
From Josh Marshall at TalkingPointsMemo
“…if I understand what’s happened in the last 36 hours, Joe Lieberman isn’t a Democrat at all anymore.”
(August 09, 2006 — 02:11 PM EST // link)
I found this clip on Atrios’s site from this morning’s Today Show …
Maxine Waters isn’t really my kind of Democrat. But then, if I understand what’s happened in the last 36 hours, Joe Lieberman isn’t a Democrat at all anymore.
But more to the point. This isn’t just inaccurate, it’s pathetic. I’ts a like a mini-version of the Iraq War or the War on Terror. You’re either with Joe or you’re with the extremists. Apparently half of Connecticut Democrats are outside the mainstream.
This is really the attitude that got poor Joe into this bind.
The mainstream is Joe Lieberman, along with possibly Sean Hannity and Bill Kristol. If you disagree with Joe Lieberman, a disagreement about policy is the least of it. It’s a major existential crisis for the Democratic party which risks conquest by unreconstructed leftists, extremists and miscellaneous other freaks.
The idea that Ned Lamont is ‘outside the mainstream’ on any issue I’m aware of is laughable.
As a matter of civics, if Joe Lieberman wants to run as an independent, good for him. If 51% of Connecticut voters want to vote for him, that’s democracy. As a Democrat, he should get out of the race now. And every Democrat should tell him to.
If he wants to run as an independent he should and could go to Connecticut voters and say, “A lot of people in my own party disagree with me on this or that issue. But I’ve served all of Connecticut’s citizens for 18 years. And I still think I can be the best senator. So vote for me.”
I wouldn’t agree with that. But I could respect it.
But he’s not. It’s all about him and stabbing his own party in the back while he disingenuously pleads that he’s trying to save it. He can’t admit or realize or get his head around the idea that his denial about Iraq and his obliviousness to his own constituents got him into this mess.
In the end, he just won’t come clean. Forget about being a Democrat. Just be a man. It’s time.
– Josh Marshall
Ed*ard Teller…3:33pm
I recognize what you’re saying. But as for Israel, a democratic country, my understanding is that most of the voters in that country support the government’s actions in Lebanon and on the Palestinian question. I know there are a lot of Jewish people outside of Israel and many inside Israel who do not support what their government is doing in the Mideast. Harretz and other sources tell me that. But I do think the Israeli government is over reacting in Lebanon, and I deplore its actions in Gaza. If it’s right for the Jewish people to have a homeland, then it IS right that the Palestinians have one of their own. And be treated with the equivalent respect and dignity that the Jewish people receive and so richly deserve.
*ilson46201 @ 3:46 pm (#275) – From the link:
A hacked module — a form, Hubbell theorized — was generating thousands of emails to joe2006.com addresses. Even after removing various functions from the site, the problems persisted, Hubbell told me. “There were multiple spam attacks,” he recalled. “It seemed like it was internally spamming itself, and there was also potentially an outside source that was hitting it.”
Still sounds like “the dog ate my homework” to me. The most likely “hacker” was a guy who screwed up programming the form. Days, or maybe weeks, later they’ll probably discover the programming error that caused this problem, and no one will care by then.
I’ve experienced (and committed) enough programming errors to know that you can screw up things in such a way that it feels like you’re under attack. When the CPU is busy in whatever endless loop you’ve put it in, it feels like you’ve lost control. In most situations, eventually killing the program gives back control, but if it’s some little applet or formlet or scriptlet that’s just run every once in a great while that’s the problem, it can take a long time to discover, and you may have absolutely no idea what’s going on in the meantime.
…thank you Stephen Parrish, CPA for the info…will make that call soon…also: you younguns’ probably don’t rmember this but refuseniks was a term used to describe Russians during the Cold War when they didn’t want to go to their wars…at least I think I remember this…anybody old enough on this one?
“In the end the people make up their own minds and this is going to be a people’s campaign”
I think Loserman has a point here, but not in the way he might think. After the great experience of yesterday, who’s gonna deny that people made up their mind and that the people’s campaign was victorious? And, (sry, now I may sound to idealistic, but its the view of a foreigner) what topic has a very high value in the people’s mind? Democracy! It’s a value deeply embedded in US history, it’s part of the american way, and it always has been one of the most distinguished aspects of US identity. And its main rules aren’t really difficult to dig, one of them is you can decide to compete for a position, you campaign for your cause, and then comes the day when your fellow countrymen decide.
But that’s exactly the point, it’s one day of voting, it’s THE day, and if you’re not elected, you respect the result and wait for next turn. You don’t simply do the stubborn, spoiled kid, ignore the decision and pretend that this try doesn’t count and that you restart the game. We all now this behaviour from our youth or from young sister, brothers or friends, but it’s not adult behaviour, especially is it not democratic behavior . The system simply wouldn’t work if everybody would feel entitled to ignore unfavorable outcomes and go on, so nobody is allowed to do so (Kant, right?). And in mayn US states, they have such ’sore loser’ laws, it just a historical coincidence that CT is not among them.
Imho, what has to be done now is to generate a lot of buzz about voting and democratic rules. Many citizen simply don’t think much about the philosophy of democracy, it’s something that is simply there, it’s taken for granted. But there always has been a lot of emphasis on what makes America great, so not much campaigning is needed to bring it back to conciousness. And especially the organisations that pretend to pursuit the people’s interest have to be targeted. They have to answer the question if it is according to their ideals and their mission if they support undemocratic manoeuvers.
And the emphasis has to be that seeking a second chance to run for an election may be technicaly not forbidden, but that it violates core US values. Imho it should be possible to spread the insight that Loserman is following a deeply unamerican idea and that no patriotic citizen or group should lend him a hand. If the NGOs can be pusged into the defensive on that issue, they will have to drop support for Lieberman, and certainly many private donators would think twice, too. If Sore Loserman insists on spurning the very principles he purports to defend, ok, but he should be aware that it might be a lonesome voyage.
Re: The TPMCafe report (link at #77) on Liebersite meltdown, in the words of one of the principals (fellow named Hubble) of the Lieberman website hosting company:
If you parse this carefully, the first part asserts that it looked like an internal process loop was going on, causing the system to “spam” (was it really spam or just a continuous stream of email?)itself. Anybody who has been around software knows that this sort of thing is fairly common, especially with new software, not fully debugged (beta version?) Earlier, this hosting company already rejected the idea of insufficient bandwidth for the Lieberman site. However, if the server got caught in a process loop, that can overwhelm the bandwidth (by sending continuous email to itself).
The second part of his statment asserts the “possibility” of outside attack. It may be interesting to note that he mentioned the hack attack alternative second. In any case he makes no outright assertion that there was a hack attack.
So taking this gentleman at his words, the jury is still be out on whether there was actually a hack attack. Of course, his words may be chosen to mislead, but we have no way of knowing that.
BTW, neither of the two principals are campaign workers for Lieberman. They were contractors and service suppliers.
Why is any of this important? Because if Lieberman follows through on his idiotic intention of running as an Indy, he and his campaign are going to continue to use the hack attack meme (esp. with Rove in the mix). We need to have the facts (such as they are) to counterpose their lies.
orangejumpsuit @ 4:15 pm (#301) – I think we’re saying the same thing (my 4:07 pm (#298)).
There’s also the possibility that the reporter didn’t quite understand what he was hearing. He may have been told what I said above, that it was a bug that felt like an attack because it chewed up host resources so much. Or, he may have been more cagey to avoid embarrassing a customer.
302: Yes.
“Why is any of this important? Because if Lieberman follows through on his idiotic intention of running as an Indy, he and his campaign are going to continue to use the hack attack meme (esp. with Rove in the mix). We need to have the facts (such as they are) to counterpose their lies.”
Exactly! I had the same idea yesterday, so I googled a lot and found some tidbits. Far from being evidence, but it’s suspicious (I sent this to TPM Muckraker):
Some ‘Samuel Hubbell’ is named as “the owner of the hosting firm myhostcamp.com, which Geary used for the Lieberman site”. That’s the same Sam Hubbell who is working as art director for Geary Interactive?
http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3557691
And that’s the same Geary Interactive that is partially owned by some Dan Geary of Nevada?
http://www.nevadarenewables.or…..amp;id=349
Also, pls look at this statement from the owner of NevadaToday, a site hosted by the same company and on the same IP:
“Our NevadaTODAY site has been up and down repeatedly in the past several days starting last week sometime. Today we have been down for significant periods off and on since early morning. I don’t know if it was a DoS attack or what, but there is no question we have been affected. I suspect our traffic numbers for Monday and today will be down significantly from the prior week.”
http://www.nvtoday.com/index.p…..&id=66
oops, sry for double post, dang delay :(
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Ned, go to the head of the class and be our next President.
*ilson46201 @ 260
scubb that stain josh
it ain’t going away
but scrubb anyway
Bogart alert:
ccmask @ 289
your supposed to PASS that shit man
not keep it for yourself
puff puff GIVE
them’s the rules
Myhostcamp.com rents one or more servers at Texas hosting service servermatrix.com. ServerMatrix, also called The Planet, has great security options:
http://www.servermatrix.com/se…..index.html
Additional Backup is no pronlem, too:
http://www.servermatrix.com/se…..ckups.html
The Texans use a ‘CPanel’ content management system, so that’s the system that is used for Joe2006 and the other sites, too.
Evidence:
dkos “http://www.meetned.com/ 69.56.129.130
http://www.joe2006.com/ 69.56.129.130″
Cpanel license check: “http://verify.cpanel.net/index.cgi?ip=69.56.129.130&x=33&y=14″
Also, there’s a user registered at CPanel with the name of Myhostcamp1 (google the site). He never made even a single post at the support forum there.
Now, I don’t know what to make of this, but this begs some questions:
Has the additional security service been used?
If not, why?
Has the optional backup been used?
If not, why?
Does Sam Hubbell know how to configure and use CPanel?
Is the ‘bandwith suspended’ message an internal feature of CPanel?
There is an awful delay posting comments! What’s the problem? Manual moderation???
did you see this? According to a close Lieberman adviser, the President’s political guru, Karl Rove, has reached out to the Lieberman camp with a message straight from the Oval Office: “The boss wants to help. Whatever we can do, we will do.” … (ABC News Blog)
Continuing Lamont v. Lieberman will also continue to suck all of the oxygen out of other CT races, in particular the three congressional races where Dems have a shot at taking out Republicans. This does not bother Joe, who seems to be acting as Karl Rove’s agent, at all. The selfish bastard.
If this hasn’t been posted, here is Joe’s new team. Looks like promotions from within.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljou…..staff.html
Looks like he even got rid of his internal pollsters. There were also several staff people who resigned because they refused to work for any candidate who was not a Democrat.
Re: My #313:
Even if his promotions are internal, it’s going to take a miracle to get up and running with a new team within a few days. And he will be going up against a finely tuned Lamont team. Truth is, only Rove can help Lieberman now, so he is about to make a Faustian bargain with the devil, if he hasn’t already.
And oh, I nearly forgot: his website is still down. Perhaps now he should consider Lamont’s offer to help.