If you blog long enough you wind up writing posts you never thought you’d write. This is one of those posts.
I read about Lieberman sacking Marion Steinfels and Sean Smith today, and blaming them for their failure to counter Ned Lamont’s distortions regarding his record. You might want to sit down here, or pour yourself a good stiff drink, because I am going to defend them.
Now, there isn’t much you can say in defense of Sean Smith — he’s a cynical bastard whose specialty in "low information voters" is emblematic of just about everything that’s wrong with modern politics. He didn’t do his job well, the events were run like crap and he was always ten steps behind the Lamont folks.
Marion, on the other hand, did her job extremely well in my opinion. From the first time I saw her handiwork — the day Joe gave his Cut’n'Run press conference — she hit all her marks. It was well organized, her presentation was excellent and she was superb throughout at getting rather lazy members of the press to stay on stories of little interest to their readership and virtually ignore the enormous elephant in the middle of the room — people were turning away from Joe because of his position on the war, and he adamantly refused to address it.
It was because of Marion’s effectiveness that I had to hit her hard, but it wasn’t personal. She hit back hard too, and I didn’t take that personally, either. Now, none of this excuses the fact that either she or Smith accepted jobs peddling smear and bullshit — they are entirely morally culpable on that front and everything I ever saw of Marion demonstrated that she was a true believer in the Cult of Joe. But that’s not why they were fired.
Early on Colin McEnroe mentioned to me that the Lieberman campaign was run by a party of two, Joe and Hadassah Lieberman, and I never saw anything coming out of that campaign that did not confirm it 100%. Take a look at that bear ad. I’m convinced the only focus group it ever had was that party of two — Joe and Hadassah — and it was virtually incomprehensible to anyone else. As Matt Stoller said, it was designed to make Joe Lieberman vote for Joe Lieberman.
They ran Joe’s campaign based on an extremely distorted self-image and with complete blindness to the actual problems Joe was facing. To now lay the defeat at Smith and Steinfels’ feet is just such a piece cowardly, churlish scapegoating it is arrogant and ungrateful beyond words. I may not like what Smith and Steinfels were saying or who they chose to defend, but they did with a zeal that was everything Lieberman could’ve asked for. They were saddled with an oblivious candidate and they did more than could be expected with what he handed them. How very Republican of Joe.
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Jane!
Go away Joe.
“They ran Joe’s campaign based on an extremely distorted self-image and with complete blindness to the actual problems Joe was facing.”
And so they are running this next one.
KOBE !
http://www.SoreLooserman.com
Very classy, Jane! I’m sure Marion has a certain fondness for her sobriquet of “Attila the Attack Hen.” I know I would. Ineffective people don’t get to have nicknames like that.
What’s that proverb about lying down with dogs…..?
So, any word on who (or what organization) will be replacing them? Is Joe going to get therapy so he can let someone do a good job? Any sign (aside from these firings) that Joe is ramping up for November? Is it possible he could hire people who will do a worse job?
FITZ– better late than nevah!!
JOE: Getting along by going along.
You just ain’t leadership material.
A beautiful gesture/post by Jane;
~~~
Also;
Markos wrote this;
“Lieberman is no longer a Democrat”.
Here;
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/9/133046/2644
That is all.
Very well said and very generous and with dignity. Good job.
Ughh, they just had a quote from Douchebag Joe about doing better for Connecticut on an AP news update on Sirius. Talk about deluded!
I’m going to miss Marion (and I’m sure Spazeboy agrees with me totally). Watching her silly antics was fun.
Sean on the other hand, is (and always will be) a dick.
MacBeth won’t abandon the race unless somebody gets between him and Lady MacBeth. I was thinking that this morning; your article confirms my hypothesis. (I’m looking forward to the Shakepearean tragedy play itself out.)
Jane, will you be staying in CT for the duration?
Hope that you found time for a nap today.
Maybe Marion is looking for a job with a better candidate…….
Jane
Do you think that the reason Lieberman will not concede is Hadassah Lieberman’s insurance and pharmaceutical company lobbying contracts. Should we go after her and show the real reason is money?
Glad to see that smug bastard Gerstein get his ass handed to him as well.
Marion and Sean couldn’t make lemonade from RGJoe’s lemons, but they really tried, to the best of their ability. If RGJoe thinks firing them will convince Connecticut voters that he’s the man they want in the Senate, he is delusional.
Here’s one way to look at it: if Swanny hadn’t pulled it off yesterday for NED, his phone would still be ringing off the hook with job offers today. Somehow, I can’t see that happening for Marion and Sean — what Democrat would hire them today? It’s what happens when the Party of One gets its comeuppance.
How sad to be RGJoe today, telling yourself all the HHH Happy Warrior stories, and re-reading Profiles in Courage, trying to get a clue. It ain’t gonna happen, Joe. Who’s on TEAM CONNECTICUT, anyway, besides that Perez mayor of Hartford guy?
Thank you so much Jane. You never fail to bring out the narrative. I hope Marion comes over to Ned.
“….just such a piece [of] cowardly churlish scapegoating [,] it is arrogant….”
NIce to be back hme. Just catching up.
You know, I do love my client work. I love working with these people. I went into business for myself and one of the benefits of that is taking on projects you like with clients you like.
But it’s nice to be back in the threads.
My brother-in-law in Seattle who worked on Lieberman ads in NYC last month (he’s now working on a packet of ads for Cantwell) said that until this campaign he had enormous respect for Lieberman. But that changed as he watched Joe go negative the past two weeks or so. He says other longtime career Dem campaign pros feel disappointed also.
That was as of the weekend. Haven’t talked to Mikey since then.
Are you sure they were fired, rather than quit? There were the stories awhile back about staffers planning to quit if WATB went indie, due to him no longer being a Dem…
sneak preview info — I just bought another sweet Joe-mockery domain which I will reveal before 8pm EDT — it takes a few minutes for the forwarding to be set up…
Er…….How do you know who suggested what or who developed what theme? Even if Lieberman personally created his entire (and entirely) hideous campaign) why aren’t these two responsible for providing appropriate and incisive feed-back to Lieberman on the campaign’s merits?
It may be true that it’s all Lieberman’s fault, but he ran a spectacularly terrible campaign in the early going. Surely these two bear some responsibility. In any case, after losing to a complete unknown, if you were Lieberman, would you put your future in these two after what just happened? We are speaking of Lieberman’s worst (and possibly only) election defeat ever.
Now please do not take from this that I have even the slightest good thing to say about Lieberman because I utterly despise him, but this is about management and management communication. Speaking only from that point of view, Lieberman needs to quickly develop a better, more flexible, more effective campaign team than the one he had.
Of course, from that perspective I also wish he had retained them……..
I don’t visit here often lately- but just thought I’d stop by and congratualate all those who worked so hard and cared so much for Lamont- Congratulations!
It would’ve been so out of character for Joe to have blamed himself, just as it would’ve been out of character for him to have considered the audience of constituents he ignored all those years.
Three more months of that campaign arrogance will serve our nation well.
As long as Joe is replacing them with the Ken Mehlman/Karl Rove recommendations – bc those two guys are waaay in touch. ;)
Dems have just shown that they can and will clean house. Mehlman is like the yappy, peeing maltese and Dems just pointed an oversized Roomba at him.
yap yap yap yap yap
Billmon says Bye Joe
There is a great cartoon at this link…a cartoon picture of Lieberman and Bush and Bush say “Can I kiss it and make it better”..lol
snip
But on Tuesday he was swept aside in a torrent of grassroots anger at the war in Iraq — channelled by a highly effective campaign by left-wing internet bloggers — and his enthusiastic support for it and President Bush’s wider War on Terror.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/a…..28,00.html
Pachacutec @ 21
Always a pleasure to have you amongst the threads, Pach. Without exposing a client list or anything, I dont think youve ever mentioned exactly what pays your bills? Lawyer? Computer consultant? Architect?
kerril @ 7
on this blog, anti-dog remarks aren’t tolerated readily … after all, Dog is our middle name!
missing your poll updates, rwcole, glad to see you stopping by!
rwcole @ 26
Good to see you RW.
Twisted M – did Gerstein get sacked too?
rwcole @ 26
I was wondering where you’d been. Is all well?
*ilson, websquatter extraordinaire!
“I don’t visit here often lately-….”
I hope that changes.
Jane,
That was very stand up of you.
Especially, since you took some lumps from these two.
The best part of a hard fought rugby game is at the end. After bashing each other about the playing field, you all get together, share a beer and sing silly songs to each other, cause the bumps and the bruises were just part of the game rather than something personal.
Obviuosly, you GET that kind of spirit.
Good on ya
Not sure, but maybe the loss wiped the smirk off his face.
Pach!
ain’t it grand, folks. no more moral victories!
victory is ours, and it is righteous and moral.
go away, old stinkyman RGJoe
Joe Lieberman: Foe of Third-Party Politics
“I ask those who are thinking about voting for Ralph Nader to decide how they feel — how George Bush feels — about protecting the environment, protecting consumers, protecting a woman’s right to choose, because all of those may well be in jeopardy if George Bush is elected president.” — Joe Lieberman, October 2000
“For Republicans to be putting Ralph Nader on television in a paid ad, certainly might lead your average observer to be cynical.” –Joe Lieberman rejecting GOP support for spoiler candidates, October 2000
“A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush,” — Joe Lieberman, September 2000
http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/?p=409
rwcole,
John Casper @ 37
- same here
Nice, Jane. Think the Hen will work for Ned in Nov?
“Mehlman is like the yappy, peeing maltese and Dems just pointed an oversized Roomba at him. “
Mary (for now–what is this for now stuff?)
That was such a perfect visual.LOL
Maybe Ned should hire Marion as an advisor on defenses against Jiltin’ Joe?? That would be hilarious.
Very classy, Jane. And yes, this tacky action by Lieberman tells us more about him than it does about the people he fired. What a wanker.
Jane is a founding member of the Upright Citizens Brigade if you ask me.
so now he hires Rove?
rwcole @ 4:10 pm
Please visit more frequently.
Jane, you’re a class act. We all knew that before, but I had to say it today.
GO NED!
Democrats fight in primaries. But when those primaries are over, they are still Democrats. Maybe they will square off another day against each other, but more likely they will work shoulder to shoulder for the same candidate to DEFEAT REPUBLICANS! (Unlike Joe and his party of two)
Good on you, Jane.
ccmask @ 41
nicely caught!
These would be well-sent to the Connecticut bloggers as well as the Connecticut Democratic Party. Somebody’s got to knock some sense into stinkyman’s head. With a figurative, non-violent, but firm kind of knock.
vizsla1086 #25:
I’ve spent a third of a century in marketing research and related disciplines. The thing I dreaded getting stuck with even more than a bad product was a client who wouldn’t listen.
Wow. I was *certain* that the mass termination of Lieberman campaign staffers would be a result of Reid/Schumer calling around to remind them that they were supposedly working on a Democratic campaign, and that if they ever wanted to work in DC again in *Democratic* politics, that they’d find a way to leave Joe’s employ.
I had no idea Joe would preemptively just can everybody. Who the hell does he think he’s going to get to campaign for him, Marty Peretz and TNR interns?
Jane, your oh so genteel post reminds me of my adored (Southern-to-the-bone) Mother’s words after meeting Al Gore’s parents some years ago:
Class will out.
punaise – oh so happy to have you back cause you must know you were missed! ;~}
come back soon rwcole!
al-Scooter @ 52
Amen, but this extends to those very many of us in other fields with bad bosses in general. Lieberman is a classic Bad Boss that refuses to listen to underlings.
Hi gang, I haven’t been around for the past couple of days, so perhaps this has already been suggested, but won’t these folks Joe has fired be getting some of their own back by leaking unsavory behind the scenes stuff about JoMo? Aren’t we seeing this already with the Rove “how can we help?” call. (I know I would, lol.)
Pacha–Yep everything’s fine- (other than being in the middle of moving out of one house and into another. I got bored with the Lieberman stuff- but I’m sure the topic will change eventually and I’ll be back.
http://www.Sore-Loserman.com
Now we see Plan B coming to the fore. A quick quote from the pus-filled pervert with the erection problems and the penchant for taking trips with “the boys” to nations known for their sex tourism.
(Snip)
Limp-baugh: One of the factors in his defeat was the fact that he’s just Jewish…
(End)
Of course the anti-Semite vote in Connecticut just reared its head after almost 20 years of Joe Lieberman.
Fuck that revolting shitheel Limp-balls and his repellent talking points.
-GSD
Perhaps the fact that Joe was “just Jewish” was what compelled so many Republicans to vote against Joe Lieberman in the 2000 election.
Jane is fair and balanced.
Perhaps it’s human nature to search for scape-goats to paper over our own lack of judgment and defects. For me the prime example of this is how Nixon let Haldeman, Erlichman and Mitchell go to jail, and Nixon never accepted responsibility for his own irresponsible behavior. Nixon should have stepped up to the plate and pardoned those guys, and he should have served their sentences. Remember Truman and “the buck stops here” business?
Discussion on the Lieberman Talk page regarding his party status:
Party status should change
snip
Respectfully, that’s missing the point. The point is that to be a Democratic politician, by definition you must support (or at least not oppose, certainly not run against) the Democratic nominee for the office. You can’t run in and lose the Democratic primary and then merrily still be a Democratic candidate for office. Otherwise, why would the Democrats have a primary at all? Thesmothete 05:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
read it all here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joe_Lieberman
hey, Anne Holliday! Good to be back (it was only three days, but it was strange to be out of toobz-range in the home stretch).
Oklahoma Kiddo, Whatever you are smoking/drinking, I want some. Nixon should have pardoned Halderman and the rest of the bag men?
And then taken their places in prison? Man, that has got to be some fine stuff. :~)
*ilson, the votes are in, you are the man.
So, about this Connecticut for Lieberman party line: can anyone run on that, or only Liebermans? How come the CFL didn’t have a primary?
Oh, wait, they already did. And lost.
punaise @ 64
You working for BP or something? They cut some toobz earlier this week due to corrosion. Maybe you slobbered on your ethernet cable once too often looking at porn and it corroded it?
It’s already been mentioned, but I’ll reiterate that in Gwen Ifill’s interview Joe on The News Hour Lieberman comes across as just awful: smarmy, selfish, petulant. No surprises there.
R-Dub #26:
How the hell are ya?
Fini #56:
Every once in a while you run into an executive who thinks that communications are supposed to glorify his/her personal sense of aesthetics, or settle a grudge or whatever. There’s just no comprehension that the target audience, sitting en banc, is the judge, jury and executioner. And they don’t care.
(I threw in the en banc because Mary and LHP are here, and they might appreciate the legalese in a boring business-related comment.)
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 68
LOL – you’re just getting me back for Doughy Pant Quote, aren’t you?
*ilson at # 60:
Pretty friggin’ good!
Check it out, y’all:
http://www.Sore-Loserman.com
I’ve been down the same road as these two. Unfortunately, they will not realize the consequences of being “true believers” for years.
hizzhoner
From previous thread, responding to a previous thread; (meta threads)
Stephen Parrish @71, regarding the Woodward report of Rove being against Hans Blix because Sweden seized Norway back in 1814…the Swedes and Norse and Danes have been fighting since iron was discovered in the archipelago. There are many historical sites to visit over there that changed hands back and forth over centuries (and worth a visit if any of you get a chance.) The concept of someone being obsessed with anger over one of these invasions shows either psychological instability—the ravings of a paranoid tweaker—or a complete lack of historical knowledge. Or…hmm…yet another questionable Woodward story.
Just listening to Ned again on Hardball. He makes a great point that George Herbert Walker Bush and Bill Clinton never would have invaded Iraq.
Another thing I missed was the profound meaning, I think, of his mention of Teddy Roosevelt, as one of his favorite Republicans. He specifically mentioned that Roosevelt fought the “Trusts.” I think that’s a not-so-veiled reference to the monopolies, one of which was J.P. Morgan.
Another great point he made was that he is not taking any money from corporate pacs or lobbyists. Joe can’t make those claims.
OT-Why are the R’s so enthusiastic about Lieberman? They attack his opponent, they have him on their shows, they praise him and love on him and treat him like he’s one of them.
Could they be planning for a post November world with fewer R’s in senate seats? If it’s 50-50 and they sweet talk Lieberman into switching with promises of any chairmanship he wants, would he go to the dark side? I’ve wondered why he hasn’t switched parties already. If it was the difference between the R’s having control of the senate or not, they’d promise him damn near everything he wants. But he has to keep his seat for it to work.
Just thinking out loud.
how Swede it is
kaleidescope @
8
Well, not likely unless he could lure the staff of the State of California Democratic leadership guys and gals who just loves them PBC/AT&T springtime orgies of money and golf.
Lamont on Hardball just now. Matthews LOVES LAMONT. He ended the interview with great praise to Ned for doing what he’s doing.
We have us another convert folks!
al-Scooter @ 69
I know exactly what you speak of al-Scooter, I’ve done voiceover work for a long time, sometimes I have had to put together ego centric radio ads for clients who have no clue that what they have me recording makes no sense to their audience, yet if I deviate from script one iota its helltopay. Bad Clients/Bosses are everywhere, its the ego centric buffoon syndrome.
Lieberman ran the worst campaign in the history of politics, ever
Another example of hate-filled lefty bloggers?
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/syria-fox/
not!
punaise @ 70
Not intentionally, I was just joshin wit ya, but if you want to call it payback and settle on a truce we can. I was over Doughy PantQuote about ten nanoseconds after you used it the other day. Actually thought it was phunny.
As Matt Stoller pointed out, the third, and perhaps the biggest looser in Conn., is AIPAC.
And as Matt says,”AIPAC doesn’t loose”. The political intersection of AIPAC having to recover from a huge political defeat and things going very poorly for Israel in Lebanon is quite frightening. The IDF lost 15 kia today,adjusted for population, that is equivalent to 1,400 US kia’s in one day. Those numbers won’t be tolerated by the public in Israel.
With AIPAC, Christian Zionists, and the End Time folks hammering on Bush, we are in deep shit. Are we looking at US troops in Lebanon again? I hope not.
I think it’s also a good idea for Reid and Schumer to make it quietly known that working on HoJoe’s indy campaign will mean, to quote Julia Phillips, you’ll never eat lunch in this town again.
(If this were in the UK, Joe would lose the whip pronto and now be working out of a broom closet. That Zell Miller was not repudiated as a Dem for the last year of his Senate term, I do not understand.)
Colin McEnroe mentioned to me that the Lieberman campaign was run by a party of two, Joe and Hadassah Lieberman,
Now add Rove to the next one and
the three will run it…with some other poor lackys trailing along…
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 83
we’re good. especially since I said you’d never be confused with a DPQ, or something like that.
The OtherWA — I’ve wondered the same thing. I imagine Jow and Hadassah sittingat home and Joe saying, “I am the king maker! neither side can rukle without me. I wqill be able to demand — and receive — whatever we want….”
The only way to make sure this evil vignette does not come to pass is to make sure that Joe is defeated in November. EVERY Democrat should be made to see that.
Tuesday Lumbaugh was all about ‘experience.’
Joe yes. Ned no.
So, now it’s religion, who could’ve imagined…
–Only listened while Colin McEnroe coming up.–
With the large number of contentious elections coming up in November I doubt Lieberman will have a chance to even elect a B team for his campaign. Where’s he going to get it? He’s not a maverick so cross off that magnet. And GOTV and message staffs have careers to think of and this November is going to be a humdinger not to be missed. Standing on the sidelines with a no-party off-message candidate doesn’t seem like the place to be. Maybe Katherine Harris has some recommendations.
Lie down with dogs. . .
Jane,
Did you get some sleep?
Did you eat something?
Immanentize…
Actually I don’t smoke anything or drink alcohol. But your reference borders on name calling. Nice.
As for Nixon, he should have gone to jail. And his guys, Haldeman, Erlichman and Mitchell were operating with Nixon’s knowledge if not his under his direct orders. A good boss accepts responsibility for those he/she supervises. Bush should go to jail too. Have a good evening.
time to redouble our GOTJ efforts:
Get Out the Joe
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So let’s see, Joe has alienated the majority of CT Dems by calling them the “extreme left”. He then implies “I’m the true democrat and I know what is best for the party” – but then registers as an independant. Now he is hoping to tap into the Republican votes for November. I’d say if he splits any group it will be the Repugs, he’s bound to lose quite a few of those who voted for him yesterday.
I think he is going to go over like a lead zeppelin. (Not the rock group)
Jane, you’re an independent operator, which makes it especially kind of you to say what you do about joe’s flunkeys — theirs is a thankless task
Carsick, excellent point. Where is Joe going to get a new staff from? Everyone decent is already working for someone else. Well, there’s always Katherine Harris’s leftovers.
Could Joe be stupid enough to fire his current folks without having new people lined up? It’s 3 months to the election, he has NO time to lose.
please, oh please, oh please, let him be that stupid. :)
Well, I’m sure you can sympathize with the number of people named “looseheadprop” who might visit this site. *g*
They, like me on my firster, tend to sign in as “Mary” It has happened enough that I thought I was kind of hogging the “ez” name, so I tried to make myself more complex. Think – Boone’s Farm to Gallo.
TheOtherWA @ 97
of course not: he’s got Marshall Wittmann lined up.
Jane, A lot of this has been said upthread, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents. You are one classy lady. This morning you were willing to give Joe the benefit of the doubt, you went head-to-head with some of his staff that has now been fired, and you still look for some positives after all this.
We are fortunate to have two of the classiest ladies leading us in our endeavors.
Get some rest, take time to smell the flowers, and then give us our marching orders.
This FDL community is the best!!!
I’m looking for some work.
-Michael Brown
David Ehrenstein @
91
David, we do not make slurs concerning dogs on this blog, please. My pitbulls don’t have fleas and usually one or two sleep with me … I have one sleeping on my left foot right now …
GSD: heckuva Joe
Party of One is p.o.o.
Who needs that sh**?
I just keep hearing this in my head, so I repeat myself here.
ccmask @42: spot on! These are the kinds of quotes that need to be thrown back in his face. And great post Jane! The fact that Lieberman believes he is helping himself by firing his most ferocious proponents (who, as you suggest, seemed to understand the situation on the ground much better than he did and who undoubtedly helped him close the polling gap in the last few weeks) merely serves to reinforce his image as another Bubble Boy like his buddy Bush. Narcissism, denial, delusion, arrogance, stubborness – a lot was shared in that kiss.
I don’t think it – staffing – is issue to Joe. His role is Rover’s spoiler. Money, attention out of other races.
Joe’s Dem party may have been run by a party of two but man he’s still got some help in the Fourth Estate.
If you look up useless gwen ifill’s name is next to it. When Joe pontificated on the importance of “devotion to party” Gwen might’ve asked him, “then why didn’t you accept the verdict of Democratic voters?”
but she didn’t.
When Joe lamented an excess of “partisanship” she might’ve asked, “then why paricipate in a Democratic primary?” Of course she didn’t.
I don’t understand. Joe lost, but his sad clown thuggery has been on all the big shows. What gives? HE LOST!
First time I’ve had a chance to check in since noon-ish so this may have already been covered, but since when does Tony Snow-Job get to stand up and give an editorial before a press conference?
A vote for Ned Lamont is a vote for Osama bin Ladin?
WTF???
“I may not like what Smith and Steinfels were saying or who they chose to defend, but they did with a zeal that was everything Lieberman could’ve asked for.”
Jane this is grace beyond measure and it shows how comfortable you are in your own skin. Forgiveness of ones enemas requires a presence of heart that I find rare in this world.
That being said, Phuque ‘em.
“(for now–what is this for now stuff?)”
“That which we call a rose By any other word would smell as sweet.”
I have a truly great suggestion for Joe: Immediately consult with Katherine Harris regarding staffing needs.
She has it DOWN and so too can Joe. Shall we take bets on how many people he runs through between now and November.
Or, maybe he is coming to his senses and really preparing to throw in the towel.
It’s all so pitiful. And the wife. Maybe she is the source of the dementia.
Mary for now
“Think – Boone’s Farm to Gallo.”
What–no Night Train?
John Casper @ 4:29 pm “He specifically mentioned that Roosevelt fought the “Trusts.” I think that’s a not-so-veiled reference to the monopolies, one of which was J.P. Morgan.”
The Sherman Act, enacted in 1890, was one of the weapons available in the legal arsenal for trustbusting in Teddy Roosevelt’s administration.
I wrote a rant today about Tony Snow talking about the key question about the CT primary.
According to him it was all about whether you “take the war on terror seriously”.
I have two things to say about Joe.
Joe Lieberman Working hard to turn defeat into humiliation. (Suggestion for campaign slogan)
Joe, Joe, Joe. The people of Connecticut have spoken. They’re just not that into you.
Wes Clark’s new official MySpace group just invited the Roots Project to join their group, so I did. New ally anyone?
actually I think Joe’s needs just cry out for Dick Morris . . .
rwcole AND Apple Canyon2 – so nice to have you both back
Thanks sp, cpa.
Announcing a new whine from the Lieberman Vineyards.
Noted whine critic Jane Hamsher has called it “cowardly with a fruity overlay of churlish scapegoating. Aged for a full 18 years, its bouquet is at once arrogant and ungrateful beyond words.”
Shorter and distilled Tony Snow: “Democracy is best left to the Iraqis.”
-GSD
So far we have Reed & Brown in the running, but maybe Joe would prefer someone like Ledeen?
If someone will babysit the kids, Card might be available.
If all else fails, Bolten could lend him one of George’s hands.
It’s such a fun crew to pick from, or it would be, if this were all fiction.
Maybe Joe can find someone who worked for Ross Perot.
Or Pat Buchanan–didn’t he run as an indie in 2000 and accidently pick up some votes in Florida that were meant for Gore?
Maybe Joe can petition for butterfly ballots in Connecticut.
Bionic @115–
Bionic @ 115
Perfect! “They’re just not into you.”
Mary for now @ 4:45 pm “Think – Boone’s Farm to Gallo.”
Mary – is that really you? (g) Is your new handle creating ripples?
wanna bet Ed Rollins does a stint for Cut’n Run Joe ?
Hugh
ROFL
I’ll drink to that…
Hugh @ 119
Priceless.
Hugh @ 119
this vin de terro(i)r is high in acidity.
*ilson46201 @ 126
Nope, I aint taking that bet. Nooooo sir.
I’m thinking what could be cattier than this bit of nobless oblige. when in reality if Marion made her bed with snakes (ie, Lieberman, to clarify), she might have expected to get a snakebite or two.
WTF:
The fact that a person did an excellent job for a craven (& surely churlish) candidate and a despicable campaign is not commendable.
After all, who really cares if they got scapegoated, rilly?
Joe probably had a whine ‘n’ cheese party to raise the $15 for his cheesy Web site…
some comments do trigger auto-mod filters and they have to be manually sprung …
Bionic @ 4:45 pm “Joe Lieberman Working hard to turn defeat into humiliation.”
Was it Thomas Dewey who snatched defeat from the jaws of victory?
degustibus @ 131
To wit:
I WANT THESE MOTHRFUCKING SNAKES OFF THIS MOTHERFUCKING PLANE!!!!
Ditto neurophius at 4:56 pm
well done, Jane. I admired you when you took responsibility for the decsion re: the image at Huffpo and I admire you more for being gracious to an adversary, for being able to walk in their shoes.
Just a class act all the way around.
For all my friends at FDL — thanks for last night.
emptywheel — you out there?
Look at the committees Joe’s been on.
Katrina investigation.
Intel Reform.
Rove called because Joe knows something. The Repugs wanted Joe to win because he’s got something they want badly somewhere in one of those two gigs. He takes it with him no matter if he stays on the committees or not; the question now is does he realize he has this? Is he as stupid as his “kissing cousin” and unaware of the value of what he’s sitting on?
The makeup of the last minute donors along with the magnitude of donations certainly emphasizes that there are other matters in play here.
CTBlogger @ 14
Uh, remember last night when you asked me on camera what I thought about Marion Steinfels, and I looked you in the camera eye and just licked my lips?
Well, my lips were dry, and I had nothing to say about Marion. End of story.
LOL.
Bionic @ 4:45 pm “The people of Connecticut have spoken. They’re just not that into you.”
Did they also say “Joe, we wish we could quit you”?
Besides, by the time Nov election, every ‘joe’ website wll point to *ilsonesque kisses.
Good work.
SP,CPA – it’s me – for now. How much Ripple does it take to get to Ripples? *g*
Hugh whines; Chateau Lieberman trumps my Strawberry-Mango Boone’s Farm Blitz.
atuned (aka alittlemusicality..) Snow forgot a word (well, if you count “truth” then I guess we’d have to go with ANOTHER word)
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
133
Wasn’t it Dick Cheney who said, “If this be Treason, let us make the most of it?”
punaise #128,
“this vin de terro(i)r is high in acidity.”
Which is no doubt why it is commonly referred to as Vinegar Joe.
They got exactly what they deserve, as will the next suckers who work for him. That is the life of a peon working in the royal court.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @
124
Not ripples but she did get a new car – a Thunderbird!
degustibus 4:57 p.m.
“in reality if Marion made her bed with snakes (ie, Lieberman, to clarify), she might have expected to get a snakebite or two.”
On behalf of my order, I object to that slur!
OfT
RAW STORY: “Conservative magazine: Bush, Rice at odds over Israeli war”
“…..A difference in opinions regarding Israel’s decision to fight Hezbollah has caused a rift in the relationship between Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and President Bush, leading the president to override her for the first time ever, according to the conservative online magazine Insight on the News, RAW STORY has found.
“State Department sources said Ms. Rice has been repeatedly stymied in her attempts to pressure Israel to end strikes against Hezbollah strongholds in Lebanon. The sources said the secretary’s trip to the Middle East last week was torpedoed by the Israeli air strike of a Lebanese village in which 25 people were killed,” Insight reports…..”
cbl @ 117,
Thanks. Been here all along, mostly lurking.
So many commenters making such fine posts, it’s good to listen instead of writin’.
Apple Canyon 2, glad all is well with you.
Hamsher, that was class of you.
John Casper 148 – Olbermann just mentioned it, too (Condi/Bush rift), saying Condi reported to be “as angry as anyone has ever seen her”.
Aside from the question where Joe would find talented replacements, why in the world would they want to work for Joe now, with such large downside risks? Ergo: the only people Joe will be able to hire are castoffs from other campaigns.
Or, the other practical alternative for Joe now is to get a team handpicked for him by Rove/Mehlman from the Republican goon squad. And then we will have come full circle…a prophesy fulfilled…Joe as Republican.
Home at last!
for Kirby, Spazeboy, CTBob, et al
http://www.Team-Connecticut.com
http://www.Sore-Loserman.com
thanks, folks!
Feingold goes for the DLC soft underbelly, and soft overbelly, and soft spine, and soft mushforbrains.
Olberman is hammering Tony Snow and Joe on COUNTDOWN.
Whaddya know.
Coventional wisdom lazy thinker Chris Cilizza got it right on Olbermann.
Shows we’re shaping the narrative effectively.
Glad I was nice to him at YearlyKos in the press room.
KO talks about Loserman’s
“Ignominious end.”
Rayne, nice point. But does Joe have to KNOW something, or just sit in a seat and vote?
It seems that there are many similarities between the relationship that political handlers have with their clients and that of the attorney/client. From defending the indefensible to bearing responsibility for the client with little control, it seems like a tough tough job.
Yeah, but did he talk to anyone who was there the night she got her suede boots wet?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 139
They did say “Joe, we quit you!”
Mary for now @ 155
Wow mary for now, that’s an inneresting read!
John Casper,
Damn, I was going to watch KO too, but got so interested in the dialog here, I forgot.
Thanks for the post on it.
Mommybrain @ 5:05 pm “Not ripples but she did get a new car – a Thunderbird!”
I’m glad you uncorked that one! :)
*ilson — you’re the best!
And, this celebratory day cannot pass without most of we CT Bloggers bowing to Jane and Christy, without whom, we would never have found our progressive blogger voice here. You were our mentors, and now, for better or worse, you have turned us out on the world!
Democratic Strategist, Joe Trippi, on Olberman just called Ned a “giant killer.”
He and Keith are hammering Joe’s stupidity. You lost, because you were too close to Bush. Now, you’re no longer a Democrat,why do you take a call from Rove?
Hey Joe: you’ve been fired. Clean out your desk and go away.
Kirby — and we even got that cute Str8Boi Beau to dye his hair …
Aw, kirby at 166 — you made me sniffle.
AirportCat @ 169
send Joe to his new workstation in the boiler room: “excuse me, that’s my stapler”
Loserman needs to pick up his stapler and go to the office in the basement. He seems incapable of taking the hints.
Rayne – once again you have nailed what I also believe to be at work here. There are issues and matters that underly his continuing to run. Someone is whispering in his ear. Rove? could be. But I suspect big business or AIPAC. They are desparate to keep a bipartisian appearance on their war making/ money making boondoggle. Or secrets in the Homeland Security scam.
They will fund Joe although all dem support will go away. But the mayor of Hartford is sticking with Joe.
Let’s have a further explanation of that support. Best buds in kindgergarten? What!
punaise,
great minds . . .
RevDeb – LOL
I live in Connecticut and some years back I worked as a hired gun on a number of fairly high profile Republican campaigns.
Most of my clients were Libertarians and good people.
Very simply as worker, spokesperson, publicist, whatever on a political campaign it is ultimately the candidate who frames the issues. You can tell them what you think. You can make recommendations. You can write words that they never utter. You can do all the right things and still lose.
Firing his entire campaign staff tells me more about the man than anything that was said or done in the campaign. This is a smarmy little professional politician with an ego the size of Montana. He’s a guy who’s essentially out of touch with reality and in total denial.
The fault dear Caesar lay not in our stars….
RevDeb @ 174
are a staple of this place
question from previous thread…
when can we expect a new poll on who voters would like to see elected now that the race is split three ways?
this question is now burning in everyone’s mind and deserves an answer
punaise @ 172
Uhhhmmmm yeaaaaaaaahhhhh…we’re gonna ned you to go ahead annnnnd…move your seat in the Senate chamber to the back benches…yeeaaaaaaahhhhh. Why dont you go ahead and do that, and we’ll get you some help from across the aisle for your race in November, mmmkay? Suuuper.
punaise @ 177
It’s great to be back on line, but I have to admit, it was great in CT too.
I haven’t laughed as much in longer than I can remember.
FFToobz,
ROTFLMAO,, SCT.
kaleidescope @
8
Well, I hear Barabara Comstock has some free time, now that she doesn’t have to worry as much about Bob Ney or the Bugman…
Rayne @ 5:03 pm -
How long has he been on the Senate Armed Services Committee? Is his presence on that committee germane to the observations you made in your comments to emptywheel?
Joe is psycho. He fires them, then claims he didn’t blame them.
According to Josh Marshall:
“Lieberman said that he fired his campaign manager and spokesman, and asked for the resignations of his campaign staff.
“‘We did not answer, adequately answer, the distortions of my record on Iraq and my relationship with George Bush, that the Lamont campaign put out,” said Lieberman, though he said he did not blame campaign workers.”
Jane:
Very classy post. Something we all desperately need in these crass political times.
On polls, I saw 2 people on T.V. this afternoon predict that new polls out from CT on the three way race just might show Ned up and then Joe would get the drift.
Wasn’t one of the latest 3-way shows Lamont just slightly behind Joe. Waay better than it had been but I suspect that they (talking heads) are aiming for when the next 3-way shows Joe leading, that they will all squeal Lamont is over. This will be a long race and it is still at the beginning of the home stretch.
Now its raw guts over muscle, and wisdom over easy comeback. Let’s see who is Secretariat and who slows down in the backstretch.
Sure would be nice if some FDLers “in the know” could confirm that Marion saw this nice post about her, or faxed her a copy.
The DLC is a stain on the Democratic party. They should go the way of Joe.
John Casper @ 189
yes, I was just thinking about that also. JC, you are so kind and gracious.
What are the issues that JokeMo thinks Ned can’t represent the interests of CT people? Ned seems like a sensible guy who has some ethics and listens to the people and not the AIPAC or Pharma or whomever joe is swinging with. JokeMo is delussional… It is rather sad and pathetic and he is making himself into a caricature of a sore loser. Why doesn’t he know how to do the right thing?
done, John
GrandmaJ @ 5:15 pm and Rayne -
An excerpt from GrandmaJ’s comments above: “Rayne – once again you have nailed what I also believe to be at work here. There are issues and matters that underly his continuing to run. Someone is whispering in his ear. Rove? could be. But I suspect big business or AIPAC. They are desparate to keep a bipartisan appearance on their war making/ money making boondoggle.”
I think GrandmaJ has raised a very good point that I want to amplify upon: what, if anything, is AIPAC (or a similar organization) interested in that might pertain to Senator Lieberman’s presence on the Senate Armed Services Committee?
Thanks *ilson
no punaise, nothing new. A commenter knew Jane’s Mom had health problems, but did not know she had passed.
To follow up on John Casper: if you’re reading, Ms. Steinfels, please–it’s your chance now, come to Jesus:
Also: Hi rw!
Denial of the truth seems to be a Lieberman trend. So does denial of service.
Someone should fax a copy to Neocon Joe too…just to remind him that we are still thinking about him, still despise him as a candidate, but have already forgiven his former staff hehe.
John Casper @ 196
uh-oh, something in the past few days?
Political Hotwire
John Casper (you German you) any word from Fran? Sure hope s/he has an opportunity to join us.
So, Dan Gerstein goes fully to the darkside — look for a “McCain ‘08″ bumper sticker on his car soon.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-235137
Were you talking about Ifill or Liebermann? She lost any cred with me on Wait-wait a while ago–Cokie Roberts wanna-be?
Pach
after teki happnins last Xdays, can u guys make yer list, check it twice, & make sure solid for autumn re
1. babysitn’ pearl-clutchers
2. doin yer stuff
3. dealin wit’ gremlins
4. babysitn’ folk like me
pleez? it’s real out there, eh? ;->
Hypatia @ 204
sorry, mangled syntax. I was talking about Lieberman.
That said, Ifill doesn’t get too many points from me.
the establishment media types show signs of discovering that American majorities actually want out of Iraq.
Go figure.
Okay. So maybe they give him 24 hours to calm down and come to his senses. Do a little private polling and realize that the world has shifted. Then, if he insists pull the rug right out.
I am reminded of the plight of Edward VIII, who gave up the throne of England to marry 2 time divorcee American Wallis Simpson.
David, as he was known as Prince of Wales for years had lead a glamourous life. He was catered to and looked up to a trend setter.
Apparently even Wallis knew it was better to be the mistress to the King, than the wife of an exKing. But in his hubris, he thought he enjoyed everything because of his personal qualities.
After he stepped down, he was shocked to find how much of his status and his property wasn’t — well — actually his, but belonged to the Crown, which he had given up.
He died 38 years later, a rather sad little man, relegated to the side lines of history.
There’s a lesson in that, Joe.
Pach at 208
I look fwd to ‘em discovering we’re not one-trick-ponies. Any hope? sigh
Pachacutec @ 208
I figured something out about this. August is when the White House Spin Machine packs it in for Crawford and gets lazy as hell. The media hordes get so bored they invent stories to cover, so for one month every year we can actually see some truth out of them. Witness Katrina coverage last year. Also, in 2004, August was the month the press gave Kerry a break sort of. I see a pattern forming…
Bionic — even after abdication, he was wealthy enough not to have to take up an honest trade…
punaise #207:
Is that why she’s sometimes known as Gwen Awful?
*ilson @199.
I guess we’ll have Gerstein to pick on for a while longer.
Joe sure does find some smarmy folks.
Rayne @
138
Here now, Raye. How did your corner of MI fare last night? We just sent our fifth–count it, fifth!!–woman to represent us in Lansing. Brater, Wheeler Smith (my fake aunt), Byrnes, Angerer, and soon to be Warren.
I think the last minute donors might be something else. I saw a lot of housing industry folks–developers, real estate, mortgate and other banking. Well, they’re all going to be in bid doo doo in a few weeks because the housing bubble is in the process of crashing. So maybe he’s on to shuttle a big Housing Industry buy out for Karl’s rich friends. Wouldn’t that be nice? Americans everywhere with record foreclosures, having to bail out the housing industry.
Just my guess.
Urban Pirate @
211
elective affinities, I guess
Rayne, not Raye.
al-Scooter @ 212
she does seem to go out of her way not to ask tough questions
Larry King is getting up there in years, perhaps Gwenn Ifill is waiting for his slot?
Somebody s*y *IP*C
http://www.thejewishweek.com/n…..rtid=12839
imm, gotta love this:
“fran says:
August 9th, 2006 at 12:36 pm *
Get ready for a nasty nasty fight.
Has anyone noticed the mainstream media calling
Senator Lieberman a moderate!
How can anyone who has been writing op-ed
pieces in the Wall Street Journal supporting
Bush and his war be a moderate?
We used to call them right wingers~”
I just got home from work, so excuse me if this was already reported here today:
About one hour ago I heard a news report that Maria Cantwell has joined the truth-in-advertising squad and endorsed NED wholeheartedly. (Whew. She finally does something right.)
Her Republican challenger – a real asshole named Mike McGavick, who’s now being sued by a major shareholder of the insurance coporation he recently quit to run for Senate – is desperately doing whatever he can to be the anti-Maria. (He doesn’t know that I already hold that position, but anyway…) Right after Cantwell’s endorsement for Ned, McGavick came out and said he is supporting Loserman in the general election, AND THAT HE IS SENDING HIM A CHECK FOR $1,000.
Excuse me, but… doesn’t this just further prove the point that Loserman is really a Rethug, gaining all his support from Rethugs? Why the hell isn’t McGavick supporting Schlesinger – the REPUBLICAN in the race????
Maybe The News Hour just sucks the soul out of good reporters in their quest for earnestness and “balance”. Ray Suarez was once a great host/moderator on NPR Talk of the Nation.
Blank Kludge — how does one say quelle surprise in Hebrew?
John Casper — you did very very good work there, my friend. Did we hear back about Fran’s trip to the VA?
Meanwhile, Lotus was still 707′ing about your German comment this morning.
John Casper
What’s up with you and the Germans?
With *IP*C money in the race in a big way you can count on charge after charge of antiSemitism to become SOP from LiebermanForLieberman HQ. We cannot let them get away with that.
After listening and watching Joe all day, I am getting pretty tired of hearing him call himself an Independent democrat.
Someone, preferably the Big Dawg, needs to stand up and say that it is time to stop the politics of division. There are not Clinton Democrats, Shaprton Democrats and most certainly Independent Democrats.
uh-oh. My previous comment’s “in moderation”.
I know I said a bad word. Sometimes, Ah just cain’t help mahself.
John Casper
Sorry, that was me. I was messing around with that other name.
I am surprised about the AIPAC/Israel lobby money report — Hillary has firm ties to those groups and she is (publically at least) backing Ned. Lobbyists are power moths, I bet they try to spread the cash between both candidates and the worse the polls get for Joe, the more $$$ will flow towards Ned (if he takes it).
this is a tough room to work — I do a little homage to Goethe at #213 and nobody applauds …
Yeah, it’s a brother in the V.A., something about a Physical Therapist really helping. HopeSAT jumped on, because she knows a lot of people in the system and offered to help. A bunch of others jumped in too and offered advice and help. Threads are moving so fast, that’s about all I recall.
Hope the writing is going well.
Out of respect to my German and non-German ancestors, I’m going to
invoke my 5th Amendment Rights against self-incriminationpolitely decline to answer any more questions about them.Well enough, but not stupendous — wanna know everything about a prosecutor’s ethical obligation to seek justice???
if your comment is auto-trapped in moderation, it’s usually sprung with minutes …
OT – and I know it’s had a shout already, but it really is no wonder that Justic Kennedy is worried over the status of the rule of law.
From WaPo via rawstory (same writer who just a few days ago was scrivening about the “obscure” War Crimes Act).
We’ll have a, “they aren’t war crimes if the President Says to Commit them” with a “hey – Founder’s forgot to say which Branch of the GOV is supposed to Break the Law, so let’s use the OLC?” on the side.
Why, you may ask, would we not want to say that detainees, not charged with anything, shouldn’t be forced to masturbate and crawl around the room, barking like a dog? Well, there is a good reason. Apparently several good reasons.
Reason One:
Ahhh. Yes indeed. Whatever will happen to American power if it is NOT reined in to the point where it might conceivably preclude pyramids of the naked, forced to urinate upon each other? If that goes – reality programming and our whole culture may be next.
Reason Two:
Absolutely!! After all, there are many cultures where being rounded up at gunpoint, hooded, forced to strip, defecate upon yourself and wear dog collars would not be considered humiliating or degrading at all. LIke maybe a Dusty Foggo poker game as a starter.
Reason Three:
Really? So the concept is that commissions of war crimes, like taking Ghost Detainees, torture, murder, kidnap, threats to lives of family members, etc. – Rivkin is just worried to death that the huge stack of Gonzales DOJ prosecutions for those things — all those many, pending prosecutions of people like Yoo and Who, all might wither to naught if there is some kind of Constituional challenge. Because the statute uses an undefined word. Rivkin apparently pictures successful prosecutions as evovling from a statute that ditches something vague – like the Geneva Conventions language agreed upon by a host of persons and nations, and replaces those unreliable things called “words” with something more concrete – like maybe pictograms of bad acts (Zinmeister is apparently a mean hand with drawing bad acts) with a red X through them. Yep, its all those prosecutions Rivkin wants to protect and there’s just the way to do it. Ditch words, hire an Official Congressional Mime.
Reason 4:
Hmmmmm – if naked political agendas are all that bad – could we not stipulate naked detainees have a few flaws too? The same guy who has said that nothing Bush does could ever conceivably violate the law, although Clinton exceeded his Executive Power by protecting some timber, is worried about “foreign” politic? ROFL. And as a jurisdictional note – if a US person ends up in a foreign jurisdiction, if they follow the concepts laid out so far by Yoo and Goldsmith et al, they are going to say they can do whatever they daggone well please, under their OWN laws, which probably are shy on “Yoo said I wouldn’t be beholden” as a legal defense. Why are they getting quotes on foreign interpreations from a guy who took “vague words” like torture, warrant and Constitution – made them his *specialty* then did a remarkably bad job of interpreting how a DOMESTIC court would view them? His lack of success with US Courts (who apparently are wrong because they just don’t understand —- all the words he said he can’t understand —– like he does) might understandably leave him nervous. The kind of nervousness you get when people start talking “war crimes” and you explaining in concrete, non-vague words, how a lawyer who penned the legal authorizations for committing War Crimes, might have. Especially if the premise for the authorizations was based solely on the theory – dispensed with at Nuremberg – that if my boss says it, it’s ok to do. Maybe even more especially if your “good faith basis” for such an argument is undercut by your same writings, during a prior Presidency, that stated strongly that a President cannot just authorize things without regard to law. Low and Beholden, indeed.
Reason 5:
Gosh, it’s so great to hear from the guy who, as WH counsel back in 2002 was providing his input to the President on how best to beat the wrap for War Crimes (see boss, we can just change their names, see – like if you kill Freddy, we’ll just call him Enemy Combatant, then, see, they’ll all be so confused and dazed, we can claim we didn’t kill Freddy and we’ll be telling the truth, see, cuz his name will be Enemy Combatant, with no trial or evidence or nuttin, just because you say so boss). He is so right, too. We don’t want to tie the hands of those who fight to defend us against terrorists by having undefined terms. Like King and President.
Reason 6:
Uh, maybe I got that last one wrong?
*s*
Ned refuses PAC money but filtering lobbyist cash out of individual contributions would be difficult ..
*ilson
[[[[[applause]]]]]
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
*ilson46201 @
229
We prefer our Goethe in the original German :)
*ilson46201 @ 230
well, some of us aren’t atuned to such references, higher on the damn intellectual ladder if you will:
Goethedammerung
smiley@182 – She is still working for Lewis though.
*ilson,
No one is suggesting Joe will be on the street either in his post Senate life.
It’s what he thinks is his intrinsically and what is his as the Democratic Senator.
As I said earlier, Joe is working hard to turn defeat into humiliation.
Where he could have had a role as a “senior statesman” of the Democratic party, as the pendulum swings back, if he keeps on past tomorrow, I’d say, on this path, he will have no role except as Sec of Defence of a clusterfuck in the current administration or a total pariah.
When you are used to being a big fish in a big pond as the Prince of Wales had been, being “rich” doesn’t really cut it when it’s just richish and semi secretly pitied.
Maybe that’s why Wallis, his cadaverous wife’s famous quote was “You can never be too rich or too thin.” Neither were an adequate substitute for what he lost.
UptownNYChick @
225
Well, there are DINOs and Demos, and some who define the brand (as Lamont did in front of national cameras last night) while others foolishly step on the brand and claim to be standing for “principle” or “country.” And there have been Shartons vs Liebermans runnning against each other in primaries. But when the vote comes in, and the winner is chosen, they’re all supposed to get back under the same tent, not put up another one on the Repub’s side of the line and still claim to be a Democrat.
It appears the fired/resigning staffers understood that principle, and Jane is right (and gracious) to point that out.
But Lieberman said he was anxious to renew the debate, calling Lamont an example of the polarizing forces that voters were tired of in Washington. His victory was fueled in part by grass-roots and Internet activists adamantly opposed to the Iraq war.
“I don’t want these folks to take over my party or American politics,” Lieberman said on CNN on Wednesday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..ticut_dc_3
How very Republican of Joe.
I hope the reports of a Rove offer of help to Joe are true, because it will be another Kiss of Death for Joe.
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this, but I heard Tweety on with Ken (makes me gag to type it) Mehlman, and Tweety really called him on his hedging about who the GOP was going to support in the CT general. Apparently, Kenny told Tweety that CT voters would have to decide who to vote for in CT. Tweety asked Kenny, who was in Ohio campaigning for DeWine, if Kenny was urging OH voters to vote for DeWine, or whoever they thought best. Kenny answered, “DeWine.”
I still think that this is a formula that will not work for Joe. He can’t be braying about what a solid Dem he is, and then bolt and run as an Independent – that is the one thing that will hurt him with both parties, I think. And I think that will become clearer over the next week.
In a lofty-ideals kind of way, his saying that he is for what is best for the country, and that is more important than party, is nice. It’s also the wrong approach on issues like health care and energy and Iraq, because it seems to suggest that he thinks his own party is not right on these issues.
The message is not just that the people in charge ahve failed the country on Iraq and a host of other things, but that the people want someone in the Senate who will fight to make the changes this country needs. Weak on defense? Only if someone can explain how the current policies have made us safer and more secure on all fronts.
This argument that somehow a Lamont victory equates with Democrats being soft on security issues is false. It’s like saying that if you changed your investment advisor because the stocks he advised you to buy were dogs, that would equate to your being a socialist, opposed to capitalism and making money.
The pressure for Joe to stand down is only going to increase. I’m guessing someone in the administration will whisper that Sec’y of Def is his if he pulls out, and he’ll do so, claiming that he wants to use his energy in other directions.
He’s be a terrible SecDef, in my opinion, but that’s another issue.
I’m babbling and will stop now…
danke Johannes
und Kurt: Die Wahlverwandtschaften!
New Post!
Just thought I’d let you all know.
*ilson46201 @ 229
It just goethes to show you, people are unappreciative.
i’ve had enuf hadassah and too many bowls of glutenous red colored jollo. burp!
hey Joe: Goethe hell out of the race
Mary (4now) at 233
KEEPER! X 10
xxox,
Imm
Cozumel @ 241
Well we’re taking over whether you or Cheney like it or not, you son of a beyotch…now get out of the way! :)
““I don’t want these folks to take over my party or American politics,” Lieberman said on CNN on Wednesday.”
Joe.
Listen to me.
“These folks” are a voting majority of the Democratic Party in Connecticut.
“These folks” *are* the Democratic Party.
But you have a point.
You should not let “These folks” take over YOUR party–the “Connecticut for Lieberman” Party of One.
And if you don’t want “These folks”–the Democratic Party–to take over American politics, then it’s a good thing you got out of THEIR party. Because that view would not go over well.
“These folks”–THE DEMCORATIC PARTY–are GOING TO take over American politics. Wait and see.
I am a totally committed, lifelong Dem, but have to disagree with the last sentence of the post, “How very republican.” Having worked for thirteen years in a variety of support staff positions, I cannot agree that abuse of support staff is a repug specialty. Amongst my many bosses, all of the worst but one (George Romney) were Dems. Romney was the worst by far, but except for him, the repugs were kind, considerate, and very polite bosses. The repugs are politically beyond the pale, but as bosses they are not uniformly awful.
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Ausgezeichnet! German is just so much more efficient at expressing ideas like that hehe.
Firing his staff before they resign in protest is a rational thing to do.
Bad mouthing them and blaming them is not, because it makes you look like a jerk and it incents them to do things like what they apparently did today, be leaking to ABCnews that Rove called Joe to offer the presidents complete support.
Expect more such actions as the now-former staff looks to earn points with future employers in the Democratic party.
Could someone please tell me if Karl Rove’s job is to act as a political operative, is he on the federal payroll? If he’s acting on behalf of the Republican Party, isn’t it illegal to do so as an employee of the US Government? Do you recall any other administration having a political operative on the government payroll? I thought government employees have restrictions on what they can do politically.
Also, for those who asked about video cameras, I didn’t see a note whether this was for personal use, or if you were planning to tape a segment for the blogger commercial. If it’s for the commercial, I’d suggest that you ask if anyone in your area has a high definition video camera. It makes a world of difference if it’s for a commercial enterprise. Also, you might check with your high schools or community colleges. They often teach video techniques, and you may be able to use their services (probably for a slight fee). If it’s for personal use, I’d vote for Sony. Their cameras have been pretty good.
KO on Countdown says the Rove call that was leaked has been confirmed. Guess Christy was prescient.
I think Tweety knew it last night (and had been drinking) when he asked Smith if he would be campaign manager for new campaign and if Bush would endorse Liemberman after all, he’d kissed him! Then he and his best bud Barnicle tee-heed themselves for a while.
Well, maybe Mathews was only punch-drunk, but he’d definitely got two ears full schmoozing around in CT yesterday.
Anyone begging for a fresh story?: check C-Span
http://inside.c-spanarchives.o…..=196800627
It wasn’t the panel presentations, it was the Q&A afterwards that made [Bryza, Matthew J. Deputy Assistant Secretary, Department of State, European & Eurasian Affairs] squirm like a live fish on a griddle. Others on panel were
[Verrastro, Frank, Director, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Energy Program] & [Nanay, Julia, Senior Director, PFC Energy, Russia and Caspian Service]
IMHO, EVERYONE on the panel was extremely uncomfortable at this ‘under-the-radar-appearance,’ folks.
Body-language-message: BP pipeline problem in AK is not only inexcusable & indefensible, but viewed by experts as catastrophic in its repercussions.
Maybe I’ve unintentionally exaggerated.
On the other hand, panel mbrs seemed in agreement re:
#1)EXTENSIVE corrosion problems in HUGE (main? all?) pipeline(s) serving biggest oilfield in the world (Prudhoe Bay North Slope AK) (scope of problem as yet not completely revealed)
#2)DECADES of lax control measures (e.g., NEVER checking pipelines for corrosion, NEVER even taking measures now required elsewhere for controlling corrosion,
#3)NEVER reporting problems or possibilities thereof before,
#4 ad infinitum) ????????????????
…….
Not too great leap on my part, since admitted by panel mbrs:
Problems developed to this point BECAUSE all that measuring, checking, controlling & reporting has NOT been REQUIRED by law, but simply voluntary. Therefore, BP, not being required to do anything, … didn’t.
[unless you count millions spent for ads assuring us how “green” they are]
This is how I understood the Q&A & the visibly squirming ‘experts’ called upon to answer the questions.
So, all you caribou, OOPS! Cross yer legs & trot to the nearest breeding ground to the, uh, dang, where’s my compass!*&$!
Wading, diving & swimming birds: DON’T! till further notice (we’ll get back to you on that…)
HEY, You assorted seals, polar bears, plovers, snowy owls, arctic foxes & hares, snow geese & tundra swans – OUTTA HERE! NOW! Leave the eggs, kits, peeps & whatall. WE need this area, NOW!
O.k., let’s get goin’ on this. Back those trucks on in here. There ya go-oo-ooo-ooooops!
Dang! Permafrost is supposed to be PERMA, RIGHT?! WHAAAT GLOBAL WARMING NONSENSE YOU TALKIN’ BOUT?! Send fer a heavier truck & back it up in the same spot!
Okeydokie Bub! That’ll do ‘er………..hello?
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HAD ENOUGH?
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p.s., ever wonder where one disposes of humpty-lebben-thousand miles of corroded pipeline so’s no one’s gonna notice? or who pays for the fuel for the transport for the disposal & replacement of the pipeline that the fuel’s supposed to travel thru to… oh gawd, my head hurts.
Marion Steinfels is kinda cute. Hmm…
Anyway… It might be a nice idea for somebody diplomatic to get in touch with her and commiserate over the shabby treatment she is getting from Joe. She might have a few interesting war stories to relate over margaritas.
He has to make room for the Republican team
Lieberman had to fire his current team that took him through the primary, because the next phase, the run for the general, involves him running as the Republican candidate. He’s going to be using their canvassing lists, their GOTV team to get out their voters, and the Team Republican folks who will be critical to this effort do not trust and will not abide the presence of Dem operatives of whatever stripe.
Thing is, there are two reasons why Lieberman won’t blame himself. First, he still has some notion of winning the election. Second, he’s congenitally incapable of personal accountability (a trait that seems to suggest Hapsburg-like inbreeding among Bush supporters).
This is actually true. For instance, at Ann Coulter’s house, this is just called “Saturday night.”
I have no pity for them….. “When you lie down with dogs, you get fleas”
“I’ve spent a third of a century in marketing research and related disciplines. The thing I dreaded getting stuck with even more than a bad product was a client who wouldn’t listen”
Sure….but that cuts both ways. I’ve no problems with criticsms of Lieberman, especially since he’s clearly so out of touch that it suggests he has communication problems internally as well as with his constituents.
I was just struck, though, at how ineffective everyone concerned with the Lieberman campaign was. It should have been a cakewalk for him and it wasn’t. Speaking as someone who has spent a life in these and similar waters, when things go as badly as they did, everyone becomes suspect.
My only point about Jane’s post was that we don’t know who was responsible for what, so defense and/or personal criticism need to take a back seat to more generalized judgements – i.e. the whole campaign was awful.
Considering how much money Lieberman has at his disposal, the lack of imagination, the lack of appropriate resources (e.g. website, net communications, bandwidth etc.) etc. everyone there deserves some measure of blame.
Trying to slam Lieberman once again on some sort of character level because he rid himself of the staff that accompanied him to a humiliating defeat seems gratuitous. Can’t we just blame him for being a narcissistic, Shrub-loving tool without having to reach for extraneous elements in the indictment?
Shorter Vizsla: Lieberman sucks every way imaginable, but that doesn’t mean he should keep the same staff that was part and parcel of the debacle.
Another sad example of just how idiotic Loserman continues to be!!! Maybe he’ll hire one of Rover’s buddies.
IMO, Loserman is angry at them because they COULDN’T DEFEND THE TRUTH??? It would take someone who is as demented as Joe (Rover???) to be able to spin his un-Democratic behavior and speeches!