Irresponsible, lazy reporting pisses me off. Atilla the Hen and Gerstein have been pimping their bogus DoS attack story on anyone with a steno pad — with no proof, with no substantiation other than a computer hosting company who says their incoming traffic exceeded their bandwidth (well, duh, it was the day before the election…planning, anyone?!?), and with nothing other than a lot of hot air and finger pointing.
MSNBC has been salivating about the story for the last hour (go Tweety and Noron…way to underreport…). The NYTimes had a bit by a computer reporter yesterday evening. But there is one thing I have yet to see from any of them…
A statement from the Lamont campaign. Why? Because as far as I know, they didn’t bother to ask for one. Well, I did — and look what I found on the Lamont website, already issued and out there for the reading. Here’s the official response:
If Senator Lieberman’s website was indeed hacked, we had absolutely no part in it, denounce the action, and urge whoever is responsible cease and desist immediately. It is our sincerest wish that everyone planning to vote for Ned Lamont or Joe Lieberman does so today.
Tim Tagaris, Internet Communications Director, Ned Lamont for U.S. Senate
Yo, media wankers. Stop being patsies, do your freaking jobs and report on real stories instead of pimping out the Lieberman smarm message of the day. Good lord, do we bloggers have to do everything? Sheesh.
Next time someone calls me an angry blogger, I’m going to point to this example of hack journalism. How many reporters can you count in the above photo of Ned leaving his polling place this morning — and you are telling me that not one of them bothered to ask him what his position was on this "burning" issue from the latest Lieberman smear job? Pa.the.tic.
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What?
Karl did it!
NED is red hot and so is FDL!
I feel the wind at his back!
Roots! Volunteers!
Jane and Christy!
Ned!
Jane!
VG/M!
Siun!
TRex!
Rootz!
EPU’d:
Someone with more knowledge than I about the technical intricacies of a DoS attack could contact CNN via their new iReport doohickey here and set them straight:
http://www.cnn.com/exchange/ir……news.html
See my comment on statement from Lamont campaign at bottom of previous thread.
Today, the world watches CT.
How Republican can you get?
They can’t win on merits or issues, so the only thing left is slime and smear.
Go Ned, a democrat for a change.
Okay, so now if Lieberman loses he will have one more illegitimate thing to whine about. He’ll look like that much more of a sore loser.
We should ABSOLUTELY RIDICULE him and his campaign about their efforts to spin this story. Tim T. is taking exactly the right approach, which is, “quit whining Joe, we had nothing to do with your technical problems.”
Bottom line is, if Ned wins today, and Joe whines about this, will anyone care?
*Yawn*
The media doesn’t ask Ned because once they do they’ll have to end their speculations. And we all know how they *love* speculating.
This is what is stupid
Blogger = Hacker
Just because you blog, does not mean you have a clue how to hack.
apropos the Joe2006.com collapse — where the hell is NSA to track down the malefactors?
Today is the first day of the rest of your political life.
This is a big Joementum hail mary.
And it may work. Just on CNN, Joe asked Lamont to “call off his cyberallies”, and announced he was filing a complaint with the state Democratic party chairman.
This, unfortunately, may actually work.
MSNBC talked to someone from the Lamont campaign. She said of course they didn’t do it, and they condemn it, and they hope Joe’s site gets back up as soon as possible.
She didn’t say the other thing she should have said, that this is a Lieberman/MSM smear.
main stream media is no stream. it’s a filthy sewer line.
I think they did this themselves so they could create a MSM hoo-hah about it. Look, if they have access to their host to put up a “lookee, lookee, the evil blogger-hackers did us in and we are real mad” page, then they could have put up a “VoteJoe” page as well. They didn’t. They went for the smear. Par for the course.
Please, CT voters, put Joe in his place today! The nation awaits your courage and conviction.
*ilson46201 – the NSA doesn’t have enough electrical power to track it:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne…..-headlines
For those willing to expand their knowledge of denial of service attacks, a good starting point might be Wikipedia:
Denial-of-service attack
Sounds to me like Tweety was trying to get a straight statement from the Lieberman camp. The spokesman was trying to insinuate that the attack was coming from the Lamont campaign, but Matthews kept asking him, “But do you know?”
MSNBC’s computer reporter came on and said the attack could be from anyone, and it could be just one person.
NYT’s bloggy-thingy chimes in:
Joe2006.com Has Crashed, Again
twolf1 @
5
I just sent my report in to this. We’ll see if they use it.
This whole burning issue has a look and feel to it that we have witnessed in other elections. You know seems Rovian in nature. Joe’s always prided himself on being a bipartisan (Grover Norquist’s word that is the equivalent of date rape). Perhaps this is just another example of Joe LieberBush (R-Rubberstamp) in action.
Rovian.
I’ve been watching this play out from thousands of miles away (about 6000 in my case). Just another lurker who’s followed along via FDL, donated to Ned early, etc. So thanks to all of you for all the hard work. I’m nervous and excited like ya’ll. And my only wish (aside from a fist to face meeting with Dickie Goodstein) is that the “after story” narrative sold by the press at least picks up the real reasons behind Nomentum’s ouster. This is not a pacifist, loonie anti war fringe movement. This is about selling out your constituents and your party. Actively cozying up to the opposition and selling “compromise” which has no give and take, only give.
These beltway wackjobs stuck in this angry hippie narrative about Dems from circa ‘68-’73 just piss me off. Buncha lazy, dense, stuck inside a DC fishbowl clowns.
Go NED. Go Jane.
Back to lurker mode.
a DC computer expert on M$NBC said about the Joe2006 that it was an “SQL hack” whereby somebody got into the software machine and wreaked havoc — that’s not a DOS attack and would explain Email still working. One clever hacker anywhere in the world could have done it, not just some crazy US blooger…
katymine @
11
And aren’t hackers secretive? Kind of like the opposite of bloggers?
Bob Sullivan, the MSNBC “expert,” discussed in depth his conversations with the RGJoe campaign, including the fact that the campaign could not email him details of the “attack” but he never never talked about any statement from the Lamont campaign.
This is the Rovianest Democratic campaign I have ever seen. Right outta the playbook, total projection, blogger=hacker, hail Mary pass for later today, confuse TradMed who admit they don’t get it anyway, etc, etc, etc.
RGJoe’s gotta go.
They didn’t pay their bill; there are screenshots on dailykos and other sites.
And it wasn’t the first time.
Yet another attempt by Joe to deflect criticism of his failed policy of Bush Appeasement.
*ilson46201 @ 26
Now this makes the most sense yet. If they exploited the SQL hack then that would just take the site down by itself.
However, a point not made yet in any of this is the sheer total incompetence of the IT staff on the Lieberman campaign and at the site host. Why is this site’s back end not secured tighter than Ft Knox? If they have had repeated attacks, this should have been secured TWO MONTHS AGO!
hamletta!
Haven’t seen you around in forever. How the heck are you?
(Leslie in CA from dKos 1.0)
I am afraid that they are doing their jobs. MSNBC is owned by GE.
Not to be too paranoid, but I also think that the story is being pushed (whatever the source of the actual problem) as part of the rationale for a potential independent run (we didn’t really lose, the voters need to get a real chance whan they aren’t on vacation, etc.)
Best hope he doesn’t run is that he loses by 10-12% or more. The independent run is like a so-called SLAPP suit, an attempt to make speaking out and standing up too often hopelessly expensive for anyone but corporations.
I am optimistic though on this one. Lamont will win and it will help to provide enormous energy for November.
baghdad joe @
14
Ironic, isn’t it? Joe sure as hell didn’t fight this hard in 2000.
I was EPU’d, but it’s not a DoS attack. It just isn’t, because the “account suspended” page loads quickly and easily.
Denial of service means you can’t get anything, so your browser is stuck loading until it gives up. I think it’s more and more likely Lieberman’s campaign or their hosting company deleted the website content and what we’re seeing is a default page of the hosting company.
It is not denial of service. Therefore there are no “cyberallies” doing anything. As Christy said, stop the lazy reporting.
EPU’ed from the last thread:
There are some really, really nasty comments on Ned’s blog on his website, purporting to be from Ned Supporters. Is anyone trying to moderate that?
CNN reporting on it now…
Joe’s money could have employed a hacker to reciprocate.
The power of smear knows few limits. Mud sticks, which is why pols (especially R-pols) throw it. As TRex says, the response should be ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK. “How dare you accuse of hacking Lieberman’s site? How dare you disseminate/publish lies? Where’s your evidence? Slanderers!”
IANACT (I am not a computer technician) but this comment from the NYT BLOG post may hold some clues as to why their website is down again:
Good lord, do we bloggers have to do everything? Sheesh.
Christy gets another *Cheshire smile*
Prediction:
1) Lamont will win, narrowly.
2) Lieberman will claim result is tainted because website “attack” stymied his GOTV. Thus he’ll run as an independent to truly “hear the voice of ALL the people.”
3) Lieberman’s Rove clones ratfucked this, did this DoS attack themselves, to allow 2).
CNN reported on lieberman possibly not paying his web bill
Joe’s trying to give himself some traction for his forthcoming run as an independent, since before this the idea of an independent run just made him look like Sore Loserman.
This way, he can claim he’s trying to give the voters a fair chance, since the kooky Lamont bloggers’ dirty tricks denied him his rightful primary victory.
My $0.02 worth.
Thank G for FDL! I’ve been working too much to do do the long-distance phone bank thing (Lord, I wish I could have) or to post much recently, and am at work till 7:00 EDT today, also. I’m hoping for a slow day – it’s lunchtime now – so I can follow CT. My fingers are crossed (hard to type, but I’m strong), my prayers are said. And I ripped off a quick post on a NYT “blog” posting about the Libersite crash. Most other posters seem to be buying the tale uncritically. Sigh.
That’s all I’ve got.
Gotta go. Been skimming all over the web to catch up – gotta grab some lunch quick quick1 All in CT – you go, firepuppies!
Nah, it’s all good. 95% of the people watching and reading the media don’t have a clue what a DOS hack is, and the people that do have a clue know this is totally bogus, that either the bill didn’t get paid, or the bandwidth of FlyByNightWebHosting was exceeded.
Even the blogger = hacker message goes right by most folks—they still aren’t sure what a blogger is and why people keep talking about them. This shiny object isn’t attracting people’s eyes. They can still see bad government, evil policy decisions, and corruption.
as a loyal American, it’s always cool to blame “furriners” for our ills. Joe’s position on international affairs is not one widely shared worldwide. It is not unreasonable that some “radicals” overseas would see fit to take down Lieberman’s website for today.
We are one world, after all !
Bob Sulivan on MSNBC used the word “virus” and talked about the SQL attack “injecting” one into the RGJoe site by entering a long string of data into a field on a form. I’m just repeating what I heard him say, but does it make sense to you, Fini?
” Good lord, do we bloggers have to do everything? Sheesh.” Just think what a great world this would be if “us bloggers” DID do everything! Christy u rock! FDL rules! go Ned!
Also EPU’d but pertinent to the thread:
BTW and OT, Jody Padgett may not be eligible to run in the primary for Ney’s spot in OH because she had already run in a primary and Ohio has a “no sore loser” rule. More as it develops…
Well, I have about zero knowledge of internet tech things. What strikes me however, is the fact that I have never depended on a candidate’s web site to motivate me to go vote. On election day itself, my mind has always been made up. I never needed to email some candidate for “last minute” clarifications on issues, or so forth. Nor have I ever needed a campaign to email me on Election Day in order to motivate me to go vote. Nor have I ever needed to email a campaign to figure out where my local voting site is located. The local newspapers always run detailed lists of voting locations, and the local county election department will take phone calls for last minute info.
Sorry to hear that somebody’s web site is down…but I just wonder how this at all negatively affects any campaign, including Lieberman.
Ghostman
Fox “News” is reporting this like it’s the scoop of the century. Well, this and the Reuters photo mock controversy.
Our “mainstream media” is in a persistent vegitative state…
squirrel hiller @
16
MSM = Main Sewerline Media
And Gingrich was right. The entire political course of history has changed. It’s an insurgency, against the pathethic, do-nothing wastes of bum-wipe currently running things. Join us Newt, or get the hell out of the way.
Penman @ 41
Bingo! Absolutely correct. This is the excuse for Joey to not back out gracefully. He is the victim. Poor Joe, poor, poor Joe.
Site has changed again, now listed as under construction:
Please check back soon. It will be available shortly. Thank you.
*ilson46201 @ 26
Email wasn’t working according to the message on the site. So then this SQL hack sounds kinda strange to me. And if some expert in DC already knows, that either screams incompetence on Joe’s IT staff part, or excuses made for him in the MSM.
Christy,
[1] One key to this is the number of phone calls that are coming into the Lieberman HQ’s. If the DOS message were affecting the votes, Joezoe would have to point to phone traffic to confirm it. It cannot be occurring in isolation from phone traffic.
[1.1] Lieberman is saying that his constituents cannot find his phone number on his web site to ask for a ride to the polls.
[1.2] They can’t find a phone book?
[1.3] They can’t call his offices in CT and DC?
[1.4] The number of phone calls into all Lieberman offices confirm whether Joe’s
bullshitstory is accurate or not.[2] This is a very very traceable problem.
[2.1] We can call all those people and find out if they even have a computer.
[2.2] Does their IP ever appear on Joe’s web site. It won’t. This is total bullshit, but it’s very very traceable bullshit and it will all lead back to Joezoe.
[3] It’s also traceable from the host’s side. [3.1] How much traffic had they had?
[3.2] How much traffic were they expecting?
What was the traffic just prior to the DOS messages?
[3.3] What are the IP addresses of the hits they say caused the DOS?
[3.4] What steps is the hosting service taking to solve the problem?
[4] This, it seems to me is the place for some of the election lawyers Ned has to get involved along with Ned’s technical people.
Where is Cujo? Cujo would probably have some good ideas? Maybe *ilson can search for his email in the archives, although *ilson may know more than Cujo about these things.
Finally, Joezoe knows he’s going to lose. This is a desperate attempt to shift the blame for his humiliating loss.
Ned has to handle it though. Ned has to hold Joezoe accountable for his lies. He can do that by faxing questions such as I have outlined and better one’s to Joezoe’s HQ and the host and COPYING these questions to all the darn TM,
especially Tweety, who it sounds like from the comments as though he is in your corner.
Much love to you Christy as you hold down the fort today.
GO NED
This website hacking issue probably doesn’t register with too many of the rank and file voters out there. I imagine it’s a bigger deal for those of us who spend a lot of time in the b’sphere. But it’s just another indication that the Lieberman campaign doesn’t feel very good about itself. They don’t take on Ned in a straightforward way on the issues. They emphasize a lot of extraneous bulllshit stuff that isn’t relevant to the concerns of the voters. Sort of the same modus operandi that the Repugs use as election strategy.
Just be warned: if Lieberman loses and does not run as an independent; moderates protest will be to vote for the Republicans this Fall.
Moveon.org can shove it. You are a tiny minority of the party pushing moderates out and you will never win elections with that policy.
squirrel hiller @
16
Effluent flowing from a Republican cesspool . . .
Link to DailyKos, picture of “Contact the billing dept” regarding the Lieberman website here
It looks much like the bills weren’t paid
GO LIEBERMANN!
WIN this thing and put these people back in their parents basements in their pajamas.
IEPU’d–internationally EPU’d :)
Oh SCORE!! A free internet terminal at Heathrow. Oh yeah.
Do you realize in how many other countries people are following this race?
An international event. Yay democracy!!
Surgical update: (1) thx all for fdl love SO much needed/appreciated. Ever see The Fifth Element, that’s moi. I can save the world, but not without love. (2) 13 yr old Boris continues to defy fate by, damn it, deciding to LIVE despite the odds against it. (3) the baby girl from Uzbekistan, first Tetralogy of Fallot surgery in a newborn in Russia, is going gangbusters.
looseheadprop, I have such a positive intuition/vision about your work to prevent voting fraud. Please push back very hard against all spiritual obstacles. I know a little bit about those….
FIGHT BACK!! TAKE ACTION!! Fight against the cowardly passivity that allows us to descend into war. Fight against unnecessary infant deaths. Fight against stupidity => one of our formal organizational goals :) [another is: don’t create an international incident while being interviewed on Russian television…]
You guys are the GREATEST!! Thanks for all fdl love and encouragement. Mother Teresa says we are not required to win, we are required to TRY. Pick yourself up and get moving once again. And yes as a matter of fact I DO know how hard this is. GO FOR IT.
[channeling norske] KEEP THE FAITH AND GET OUT THE VOTE FOR NED
Also, if Lieberman’s campaign really believes that a crashed website could cost them the election, then Joe’s in deep trouble.
This whole ploy reeks of desperation.
TeddySanFran @ 48
Thats how it would be done, however IANAH and can only give you the sysadmin point of view. If you want to corrupt a SQL database holding website files, you would enter code into a form that feeds that database.
Matthews pretty much dismissed the web site thing as a NON issue saying there will be a CLEAR result ; )
62…
Do.Not.Feed.
Quick comment since I’m at work and should not be posting here.
If you look at the website shown on MSNBC you’ll see it points too http://www.lieberman2006.com and not joe2006.com. That’s a totally different website site and is more than likely a bogus one put up by the Lieberman headquarters.
EllenG @ 17
Karl rove did it in Texas back in the eighties. He bugged his own office and blamed it on the Democratic candidate, Mark White.
When the FBI came to investigate, they found the bug with a short-life battery (12 hours?) still hot, so the bug had been placed THAT DAY!
This is SOP for Rove and his students.
News will anger JL supporters not yet voting.
So everybody here is already convinced that:
Rove hacked Liebermann’s site or Liebermann did it to himself.
My GOD you people actually BELIEVE this junk don’t you? You gotta start getting out of your rooms and back into society.
egregious !
Maybe Joe could ask Ted Stevens to borrow his tubes for today?
So, if I have this right, the same Lieberman who signed on for the 6 week cakewalk in Iraq, is befuddled and feels sabotaged over the fact that his site couldn’t handle traffic right before the primary?
Is he going to have Rice or Bush issue his statement? The one that goes,
I don’t think anyone could have predicted we would need more bandwidth right before the primary.
this is their job, they have been turned into tiny wankettes, and this is important when they have nothing else to be important. Lettuce fear knot, they will be fast on the next account of a dog wearing a liebermont banner around it’s tail and that one of the names is being used under the tail, and the other is not…….
more to come, stay tuned, we have the most respected drivel on teevee
TeddySanFran @ 48
This is complete gibberish. It’s something I’d expect to see in a Hollywood movie about computer attacks (right words put together in a nonsensical way). What is being described is a buffer overflow that exploits an access security hole, if that’s what happened. It’s not some “injected virus”. Sheesh.
By the way, if that is what happened it is destroyed data, not a denial of service attack. As I said. The technical term for this would be defacement.
Cozumel @ 66
Yeah, and he threw a lot of sand on the argument by Smith – prove it or shut up, kinda.
Man I’m way behind on the comments – I posted this in a previous thread which may be relevant:
Regarding Joe’s Internets:
Here’s our appropriate collective response:
- *Yawn*
- Non-Issue
- Quit whining, you sore loser.
in every campaign i’ve ever done, i have always insisted that the campaign address, phone #, Email and web adress be on EVERY piece of literature we put out. EVERY PIECE!
LindaR @
27
Actually they have a conference in Las Vegas every year (no seriously!). The FBI typically shows up and attends. The main reason they get caught is that they typically have enormous egos, and feel a need to brag incessantly about their exploits. And they tend to be MUCH much younger than the average blogger. Though there are a few old fogey heros amongst them.
This is the more of the same old dirty right wing tricks. They did it to themselves so they will have a better shot in the general election. Their big move for 2006 and 2008 is going to be accusing Democratic of stealing/rigging the election. This is all par for the course with this lot = accuse the other side of doing exactly what you have been doing. Rove 101 !!!!!!
egregious, what great news. So glad the kids — and you — are doing so much better.
very cool.
egregious, great news!! Thanks so much for the update, and blessings on you, everyone working with you, and all the little ones.
Since I was out of town the past few days I wondered if you guys saw this bit of info:
I imagine that the bulk of those new voters are kids like my son’s friends for whom this is their first chance to vote. If we correlate this with the recent poll that showed Bush’s approval rating among 18-24 year olds at 20%, I think we know which way this group will swing.
Anecdotally, my son’s five friends are all voting for Lamont.
Take heart friends. As a baby boomer I’ve always found myself at the head of trends. I say this with no amount of self-aggrandizement merely a peculiarity that has been my life. The trend is our friend. The trend now is Lamont. Lamont will win.
If holy joe was truly concerned about his website, where were his failover systems? Where was his load balancing? Perhaps he subscribes to the Stevens big tube theory….
UptownNYChick @ 73
yes! But wait. They may be clogged with that stuff from Netfix and then the internets can’t get through the tubes fast enough.
neurophius @
15
Same people who bugged Rove’s office way back when did it.
Given the high level of competence shown throughout the entire Lieberman campaign so far — Marion, Dan, Sean, and the College Republicans from Princeton — it’s really amazing that this one part of the campaign (the 21st century part!) unravelled at the last minute.
Chris talking again now about this on MSNBC.
LindyH @ 36
They should put TRex on it. He could delete those comments.
CNN just showed a screen shot of the DailyKos screen capture of the Lieberman web site when it indicated a suspended account and a need to contact the billing department.
Isn’t that the same screen we would see the first time FDL moved and we had bandwidth issues? I vaguely remember that screen and Jane having to wip out her plastic to buy more bandwidth allowance. Isn’t this simply a matter of more people trying to access the site than the site was set up to handle?
puppethead @ 76
Its overexcited civilians who dont know technical issues trying to ’splain-it-all to the viewers at home. However, the issue outlined is something I myself experienced when the Brazilian socialist haxored on my website last year. He got into my SQL files and had some fun, but he at least had the decency to put up a nice cartoon devil with Portugese claiming the hack!
Man, this is right from Rove’s playbook. Remember the bug Rove planted in his own office? Joe’s closer to Bush than we thought …
71 troll
Liz Dupont-Diehl (Lamont spokeswoman) – tremendous statement to Matthews on hack being replayed. Perfect pitch, all light & no heat.
AttaGirl!
Suggested Lamont campaign response for an on-camera interview:
“Wow. Usually, getting a lot of traffic to your website is a good thing.
We have no idea why the Lieberman campaign would accuse us of interfering with their website, we’ve stated so on our website, and denounced the hacking – if that’s what it was. Look, we had no idea why the Lieberman campaign created a fake Lamont bumper sticker, either, but apparently part of their campaign strategy is to falsely attribute things to me and to my campaign, and I would hate to think that this latest accusation was part of that strategy.
As I said, having a lot of traffic to your website is something most candidates encourage, but it looks like the Lieberman campaign is pretty new to this aspect of campaigning, and for all we know it may be that the folks in charge of the website are not aware that you have to have enough bandwidth for the traffic you hope to attract,and if you don’t, it can result in a Denial of Service. It sure would be unfortunate if this were the real reason for the problems they have been experiencing.”
Lamont should take his site down until Joey can get his bill paid. As a sign of good faith and make it publicly known.
At this point, I dont think a website is gonna make much difference either way.
B. Muse @ 91
Well, I am certainly no techie, but that’s what it sounds like to me from the available evidence. The campaign didn’t buy enough bandwith and either a) is too incompetent to realize that’s the problem, or b) knows it’s the real problem but is pretending it’s a hack. Given this bunch, either one could be true.
If Ted Stevens’ toobs are blocked, maybe Lieberman could use his trucks…
Fasten your seat-belts folks, first loop of the day!
If this Lamont stuff keeps up….what’s next?
Democracy?
Responsibility?
Accountability?
My God!
Think of the children…
Vote Joe, before it’s too late.
Please check my comment at #68
It’s sort of funny when you think about it.
You know what else will be funny?
“We now go to Fox News analyst and former Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman…”
The DOS attack probably comes from the same playbook as that over-the-transom bait video to the Gore campaign in 2000.
These people are [metaphorically] walking around gripping their collective neck crying “WHIPLASH!!!”
If this seems a little too close to incorrectitude call it a Traveler’s-type slip-n’-fall.
Is Chris Matthews bi-polar? You don’t from one show to the next what view he will put out. Chris goes from the “manly man prez that ‘everyone’ kinda likes” theme & the “Tom Delay, you live modestly” interview to occasional on target reporting. His rant on Imus & other recent war & Lieberman criticisms have been more frequent lately. Does this mean msm sees political winds changing, therefore it’s safer to be less obsequious to adm or did Chris have his meds changed?
Teddy,
Left you a “thank you” at bottom of last thread.
Hey, http://www.leiberman2006.com points at dKos right now. Has it always? Or is this another hackjob going on?
If it is, cut it out!
Does a candidate reasonably sure his “momentum” is going to carry the day resort to this sort of whining and accusing?
newtonusr @ 95
Sean Smith said “suppressive”! He sounds like Tom Cruise!
beth meacham @ 107
Here it comes!
Anne 96 – I like.
I also like, “We feel very badly for the problems Sen. Lieberman is having. Luckily Ned, being a businessman, planned for plenty of bandwidth for his site.”
twolf1, I really like your idea above.
It may not be feasilbe. Ned may really be dependent on it for driving his gotv efforts, but I really like the idea.
Lieberman is playing victim and blaming a Democrat for something he himself neglected–more proof that Lieberman is more republican than democrat.
B. Muse–
This is from the letter from the Lieberman web-site host:
“The screen that showed yesterday is a default image from the server.”
So, yes, it is a common default screen which I do recall being on fdl at the transition as well. What is interesting is that Smith pointed to THAT SCREEN as the work of the “hackers”. Somebody, he said, put up a false message and that must be inferred as Lamont supporters. His own web host had already informed him that was NOT the case in the same email he assured the Lieberhose camp they had paid their bill.
This shit is SO weak.
Samuri Sam
“You know what else will be funny?
“We now go to Fox News analyst and former Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman…” “
Actually, Sam, that would not be funny, because they would be presenting Lieberman as the sole spokesperson for the entire Democratic Party, and presenting his views as representative of that.
Just back from phone-banking.
Left a lot of messages, and only talked to one person who’s for Lieberman. Then again, I’m only calling voters who’ve been ID’d.
My spirits are up, and I’ll catch y’all later.
Okay, I’m fixing to hit the sto’ for our Election Night snackage and sippage. Who wants what?
A lot of Bass Ale, lotus. Thanks.
neurophius @ 115
We have the same problem with JokeLine!
Once today is done, the “Lieberman as Democrat” theme will hopefully be dispelled.
TeddySanFran @ 48
Heck, I can answer this. A SQL injection attack is (usually) carried out by a person. It doesn’t really have anything to do with a virus.
This Bob guy is right about the basic nature of a SQL injection attack : it’s performed by calling up a webpage that submits information to a database, and sending server commands as part of a chunk of bogus text you submit through the page. The database will try to process the information you’ve sent, and in doing so executes the commands you’ve imbedded in the text.
You’re not injecting a virus per se; you’re just sending commands to make the server do what you want it to do, like grant you administrative rights.
In any case, a well-designed webpage will never send “raw” information to a database without checking it out to make sure that it doesn’t contain any of these database commands. Similarly, a well-designed database will never try to process any plain text it receives from a webpage without checking it out first. This is basically how you defend against a SQL injection attack, and any webmaster who builds a site using a SQL back end should know how to do this.
Anyway, a SQL injection attack of this sort is basically like jiggling the knob of a locked door, hoping that the pins in the lock are loose enough to drop. It requires a lot of back and forth (”I’ll imbed this command and see what the server does. OK, that didn’t quite work, so now I’ll try this …”). A virus could take over a host computer (like yours, or mine) and force it to try various SQL injection attacks against a website, but that’d only be in order to try a pre-written set of attacks on a range of servers (jiggling the knob of every front door in the neighborhood). For a targeted attack on a single server, you need a person on the other end of the line, trying different chunks of text as each one gives you a little more information about how the server works.
This Bob Sullivan guy is right about how a SQL injection attack works, except for the “virus” part. Viruses don’t really have anything to do it. It’s just tricking the server into executing commands for you by sending it text to process.
http://www.LieberDem.com works perfectly !
Is it Leiberman2006. com or Lieberman2006.com ?
This is only a test.
This is a test of the EPU Emergency Posting System. If this were an actual emergency, you would be directed…….
I’m having to pop in and out cause I’m at work.
MAN! this place is hoppin today!
hard to keep up.
WRT WATB’s Website kerfluffle, LMAO!
Fuckin tempest in a teapot.
Maybe EPU could offer RGJoe a steaming , hot, cup of STFU.
His website being down isn’t going to change a damn thing.
BWAAHAAAHAAA, GO NED!!!
You know, Stoller on MYDD just said that the Lamont people offered to send a tech person over to help Lieberman. Maybe it would be a goodwill gesture to set up a free site with Liberman’s office phone numbers as a group of unaffiliated Lamont supporters.
It would take some of the wind out of their complaints.
If you missed this earlier, here it is again:
EPU’d myself. I am cyber-incompetent, but couldn’t some Lieberman techie (oxymoron?) merely have substituted those messages for his regular stuff — just to be able to blame Lamont? Something like a Hail Mary, maybe?
Leiberdem2006.com note spelling, is pointing to kos.
beth meacham @ 107
Umm, it’s spelled Lieberman, not Leiberman. get a clue. another Lieberman ratfucking attempt at victimhood?
EllenG at 54.
Whenever you hear Joe Lieberman talk, don’t you just see this guy?
neurophius @
118
I’ll have the same, thanks
The site addy I posted is http://www.lieberman2006.com not the one posted by the commenter at #107
Remember how Karl Rove got his start? Bugging his own office and blaming his client’s opponent. Could the faux hacking of Lieberman’s website be a Rovian tactic? I bet it was their mistake, and then they decided to play it for all it’s worth.
What this suggests to me is that Team Lieberman have seen enough exit polling to see that defeat is on the way. This contretemps over the website is designed to provide them with another justification for carrying on as independents.
{{{{{{{{{{{{ deep breath }}}}}}}}}}}}
and good thoughts to the little twins!
If Joe Lieberman’s internet tubes are ties, it should only be a short ride to the next nearest internet service provider.
What’s the problem?
lotus – It’s hot ! Pour a pitcher over my head.)
twolf1 @ 97
I disagree, I think that would be giving it too much attention — this is a “make him deny it” attack. The response they have has been exactly right.
It’s entirely possible the Lieberman Campaign was indeed paid up on whatever hosting package they purchased, but they had not purchased sufficient bandwidth to meet the demans. It’s important to understand the difference between not paying your bill, or just not planning properly. I suspect for the Lieberman Campaign, who appear to be leaning toward being luddites, simply didn’t know or plan for the bandwidth demand their site might see.
Certainly Lamont cannot be blamed for Lieberman or his campaign aides being ignorant.
If Tweety had done any due diligence as a reporter (and it’s NOT difficult) he’d have contacted Diana Fassbender, fassbenderw@yahoo.com, the billing contact for joe2006.com at “Friends of Joe Lieberman.” She can ask their host, http://www.theplanet.com, if it was a hack, or simply the account ran out of bandwidth. It’s 1-800-377-6103.
lotus @ 117
Oh, thanks, lotus! Some chips ‘n’ salsa would be yummy, and maybe some margarita fixin’s?
The lack of on-the-ground reports means that everyone’s out busy working, which is good news – but I’m jonesing for some updates!
Saw this on KOS-
Ned Lamont’s campaign manager called the Connecticut Attorney General requesting a criminal investigation of the Lieberman website hacking.
BTW, speaking of not having a clue, the LA Times reports this morning that a memo summarizing the Republican National Committee poll of GOP voters says that the Iraq war will energize and bring out the Republican base. Amazing, eh?
87% of how big a base? 20% of the electorate?
“Lord what fools these mortals be…”
Penman @ 42
Yes indeedy.
katymine @ 11
I don’t have a clue how to blog…
hi Hope!
George A. @ 133
Sorry, I’m not a lieberTroll. I went looking at all the possible Lieberman website names, because surely they’d bought up all the varients, right?
Lieberman2006 yields “server not found”. Leiberman2006 sends you to dKos.
Joe2006 is still under construction.
How hard would it have been for the Lieberman campaign to buy some bandwidth and put up an alternative site last night?
I don’t think it is going to be close – I’ve been trying to post this all day.
That might sound like an easy thing to say from the comforts of the EPU, but, in a primary, where you have
1. Legitimate questions and concerns about a disconnected incumbent whose run a poor campaign, and
2. A viable alternative,
it really doesn’t seem like much of a stretch. The only person who thinks Joe is indespensible is Joe (and the pundits), the voters? Not so much. And anyone who is not a die hard Lieberman supporter is going to tilt towards Lamont. Anyway, we will know soon enough.
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*ilson46201 @
80
Same here! My God, how can you not have 12 billion places to find all that data? That was first and foremost–don’t give ANY excuse for not being able to contact the campaign. Back in the days of no internet, we used to put the address and phone number of the campaign along the bottom of bumper stickers, for crying out loud! It might have been barely visible, in tiny print, but it was there.
I love that Lamont’s tech people are offering to help Lieberman get his site back up. That is exactly the right message here. Laugh at them a bit for their incompetence and give them a helping hand if they need it. Keep pushing this message.
the Senator has two websites — both are down — each has a different error message
http://www.Joe2006.com
http://www.Lieberman2006.com
beth meacham @ 107
Heh. They misspelled “lieberman” in that URL.
http://www.lieberman2006.com goes nowhere.
Donna Marie @ 144
And when (really if) RGJoe pulls this S%&T, Clinton (Bubba) will come to CT and stump hard for Ned.
joe2006.com now has a message that says-
This account is under construction
Please check back soon. It will be available shortly. Thank you.
So it looks like the files at the site were hosed. But how long could it take to upload a mirror of the site?
egregious, I don’t know if I’ve gotten to mention how impressed I am with your work!
For the last six years, my sense of outrage keeps exploring hitherto unknown realms.
After weeks of attacks on Lamont, this is their last best efforts? I mean, I’m sure Noron and Tweety were just besides themselves over the felonious interference with voters in New Hampshire (sarcasm/dripping). Not only did that case bring down the NH Rethug leadership, there is some indication that support was coming from the WH and national Rethug operatives. I’m still waiting for the special on that one. If anything, it would seem to me that IF this is a DoS attack, I’d look to those same Rovist operatives. Just their style and they have the motives and means to do it…just like in NH.
MSM, the propaganda organ of the oligarchs, makes me retch but we still have to figure out effective responses and strategies for dealing with such transparent BS as this. End of Rant.
beth meacham @ 107
ahem. it does, but lieberman in your address is spelt wrong.
Actually, I am a little bit more concerned about nasty messages appearing on the LaMont site. Surely I remember the terrible time we had on the Dean blog in the weeks before Iowa or during the debates.
And Kerry had the same problem. People would come on and spout hateful messages, and then those messages would be spotlighted by the blogpeeping MSN.
Someone needs to monitor the blog and state they will tolerate no really over the top language and/or suggestion for violence.
Such my other worry today.
Guitar Playing Bastard 139 – got to love whois. Can you ping? ICMP is disabled here at work…
Having problems posting, gang, anybody having problems?
Post stuck in “loading mode” for 15 min.
Lieberman owes The New York Times web site big time. His picture has been front and center several days now. It’s as if they don’t know Jose has an opponent there in Connecticut.
Reposting…delete if original comes through. tks.
P 11:00 am — yeah, saw that last thread. Good point.
Would like to know whether that email TPMMucker.com posted from hosting service rep/operator “Dan Geary” to Lieberman campaign is legitimate, or if this was another trumped up POS.
What I’d like to know from the so-called media: Where’s Geary? Can’t you track him down and get him on tape saying exactly what that email said? Can’t you get him to disclose more details about the nature of the DOS attack?
Cripes, do your f*cking job! We’re not making you irrelevant, YOU ARE.
If they are looking for a DOS hacker, maybe they oughtta track the movements of that Republican phone jammer guy…same modus operandi. And Joe is practically a Republican too.
Oh and for the trolls who keep saying you will vote Republican if Joe loses…you aren’t much a Democrat then are you?
Someone in the right wing bag o’ dirty tricks squad did this. The same people who employed Gannon-Guckert. When a real, independent forensic computer investigator looks at this, they’re going to find all kinds of suspicious, creepy things.
rayne I just commented and had no problem.
Peter Laesch, John Laesch’s brother who is in Iraq, has a post up at Kos and in the comments he predicts it —
“Lamont will win, 110% sure”. *g* I don’t know about the prediction, but I am so glad Howie introduced the Lake to the Laesch campaign, and family. Good people.
Rayne – Yes, thought my dialup was in 4WD Low.
Looks like TPMMucker got through to Geary, listed as internet consultant.
Commentary at TPMM sure looks more like they want to back away from accusation but can’t.
Media, do your damned job. TPMM got the goods with good old fashinoned reporting.
Hmm, since we know that Joe’s people weren’t thinking much about the Internet component (we keep hearing about how they were “blindsided” by it), could it be that the site was hosted by the lowest bidder, chosen by people who didn’t understand what they would get for the extra money?
the LieberTrolls have fiercely been attacking this site since early morning. Moderators here have been click-clacking, smiting the iniquitous…
Rayne – Yes. I restarted my computer and for some reason that worked. I normally never have connection problems – I run off a pretty fast connection.
yay mods !
This is pure Rove. In his first Texas election, his candidate was losing badly. He apparently went and bought a listening device from his local Radio Shack, called in the press and “exposed” the fact that his opponent was spying on him. The tables turned and his candidate won because of the purely manufactured “scandal.”
All the media has to do is pick up a copy of Bush’s Brain and read about Rove’s first campaign. This is a Rovean tactic – no doubt about it.
Words cannot express what a total, evil loser I think Lieberman is. Good for Chris Matthews for questioning this.
I think Lamont should have spokespeople on every news outlet nipping this in the bud and pointing out what it is – a diversionary tactic by a nasty, divisive, poor loser campaign. Lieberman needs to find some excuse for why he is losing, and losing big.
How a campaign is run comes from the top down. Lieberman is clearly not a man of principle – he will do whatever it takes to continue his access to the gravy train and his spot on Fox News.
My point being was that MSNBC is showing the lieberman2006 page as the site being hacked and not the joe2006 site. Did they hack their own site? One has too wonder if they did because MSNBC is not even mentioning the joe2006 website.
Rayne 162 – if my comment gets stuck in a loading loop, I refresh the whole page. This usually (I think no exceptions) causes it to load with my new comment intact.
Lieberman’s internets whining reminds me of the favorite put-down expression of George Will and David Brooks.
Kerfuffle. This b.s. story is nothing but a kerfuffle.
*yawn*
If he loses his party’s nomination, Senator Lieberman has vowed to run as an independent candidate in November.
But his defeat would send a message to politicians of all colours that Iraq is becoming a political liability – an impression backed up by a recent opinion poll, reports the BBC’s Nick Miles in Washington.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5255452.stm
The lesson learned by Joe Lieberman? Don’t publically attack violent video games. You have no idea of the technical expertise of the kids that play them.
Rayne 162 – must be a DoS attack on FDL – alert the media
I had trouble loading too. There is a 5 min space between #117 and #118, so it wasn’t just us. I guess only the people who are refreshing every 15 seconds noticed it….
You know, if Peter Laesch in Iraq can be confidant and EPU in — wherever the heck it is that his omniscience physically manifests — can be confidant, it sure sounds like Karma is vibing at the right level.
Ned Ned Ned Ned Ned Ned Ned Ned Ned
The important thing to remember is that Lieberman’s b.s. story cannot be allowed to stand.
Lamont’s people must get in front of every camera possible, say they had nothing to do with Lieberman’s technical problems.
Offer to help.
Call on Lieberman to stop slandering Lamont’s character. Rapid Response needed NOW!
Must … not … feed …
The lesson learned by Joe Lieberman? Don’t attack violent video games publicly. You have no idea of the technical expertise of the kids who play them.
Taking a step back here, after my deep breath, may I propose a theory about the “hack?” Who would the Lieberman campaign most likely presume to be distracted by this story?
Why, TradMed, of course! But, who would they expect might also HOP on it, and therefore not spend time getting out the vote in Connecticut? Why, the Lamont Blog Brigade, of course.
I for one am proud of our Team Connecticut for staying on point: GetOutTheNedVote! Go Ned!
freepatriot -
I think bloggers are Jane/Christy, etc. Folks who maintain a blog. I call us “commenters”.
That’s my take on it, anyway. I think other people call us all “bloggers”…
Alaskan_Pete @
25
Hey Alaskan Pete!
I remember your insightful comments fondly, especially those about oil prices and energy. Great to have on an FDL thread, especially today.
*ilson46201 @ 171
Have a little pity on them *ilson. The only other thing they have to look forward to in their dreary little lives are licking the cheeto stains off their grubby little fingers. The 101st Keyboarders lead a noble life, though it is filled with self-loathing and fear.
Besides, you look awesome in your shiny new Smiting Suit!
There are two possible explanations. The Rove RatF explanations. And the SQL injection explanation.
This is a known exploit. Microsoft has an explanation of the attack and how to prevent it from happening.
The nickel version is that the attacker will type in malformed SQL into an input form, like a text box for entering an address. That SQL statement then gets executed. Some SQL statements can in fact paralyze a server.
The thing is that this is a known method of attack. The site should have been secured against this kind of attack.
So this is either a desperate ploy done on purpose by Lieberman or yet another instance of incredible incompetence by his campaign staff.
biggus diggus @ 167
But there’s a problem…
If RGJoe is down, his GOTV is down with it, unless there is a secret site we’ve been unable to find.
I’m not sayin’ they’re above slime, but this is hurting him. Perhaps the internal polls were so bad that this was the only tack they had left – WAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!
Hello to Alaskan Pete!
My browser is taking longer to refresh than it usually does, and I’m getting a few server error messages. Haven’t had trouble posting, though.
I refuse to spend all day tuned in to MSNBC or CNN, but I’m curious, for anyone who is watching, have they calmed down at all about the alleged leftist blogger hack attack?
Campaigning Tuesday in New Haven, Lieberman said he has no proof that Ned Lamont’s supporters are responsible, but is asking state party chairman to intervene.
snip
Lamont, campaigning early Tuesday afternoon in Bridgeport, said he knew nothing about the accusations. “It’s just another scurrilous charge,” he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..NlYwM3MDM-
Short Low Ride’s sudden embrace of the toooobz and internets is quite stunning. And WEAK.
I am starting to have an unhealthy relationship with the Refresh Comments button.
15 seconds!
The difference between the Lieberman and the Lamont campaign:
Click Me!
Who else? Not ONE of you had the same vision??
The 1st thing that popped into my head was “poor” hapless, tearful Tonya Harding, her leg hoisted up over the skating rink wall to show the judges her broken skate lace.
Sorry Joemmm, I don’t believe YOU either. They should track it down, if only to shut him up.
Whaddaya bet, if they started an investigation, Joey’s camp-pain mgr would find a way to quash it PDQ?!
Jake –
http://static.flickr.com/85/20…..1375_o.gif
No need to thank me. “Your” party, IS the repug party. We’re getting rid of the hijackers. Now, move on.
I’ve probably been voting longer than most of these paid trolling shills have been living. Voting Dem. Always. Worked on way too many DEM campaigns (so much that I have serious burnout from it–Dukakis was a real low point). Proudly telling people that I’m a Legacy Democrat–because my family has been stoutly Dem since JEFFERSON.
Nope, some snot-nosed brat who barely figured out that the difference between D and R is one has a bigger hump and the other has a leg dares to say I’m not a real Dem. Interesting, that.
Kurt @ 190
Borrowed from The West Wing: “Does that suit come with tights and a cape?”
Go *ilson46201!
The “Media wankers” are mostly under-educated, overly-coiffed TV thrill babies. They know nothing but their ratings.
Here’s another view of the “hack attack” from Skinner at DU.
http://journals.democraticunde…..kinner/115
*ilson, if you have time, and you if you think any of my 10:55 is helpful, I’d appreciate you trying to move it up the food chain.
Good, I’m glad Lamont used the word scurrilous – because this tactic is scurrilous.
Where are all the stories about the disgusting and illegal tactics used by the Lieberman campaign in the final days. Sending vandals to Lamont offices. Stealing signs. Illegally posting them on public property? Where’s the outrage over this stuff?
Can someone tell me what the Lieberman web site is a big deal anyway? What sort of impact is that going to have on the GOTV effort?
Who else? Not ONE of you had the same vision??
The 1st thing that popped into my head was “poor” hapless, tearful Tonya Harding, her leg hoisted up over the skating rink wall to show the judges her broken skate lace.
Sorry Joemmm, I don’t believe YOU either. They should track it down, if only to shut him up.
Whaddaya bet if they started an investigation, Joey’s camp-pain mgr would find a way to quash it PDQ?!
Hello to Alaskan Pete!
I’m lurking from even farther away, Denmark. It seems to me that 2 things are true. One, if there is a hack attack, it’s by no friend of Ned Lamont. Two, Lamont is going to win by at least 8 points!
The Refresh Comments Button
Learn It.
Know It.
Love It.
scurrilous, that’s what it is. Go Ned!
This whole website bs reminds me of Tonya Harding sobbing and pointing to her torn laces during her last olympic performance. Who is responsible for his lack of preparation? This is the guy we’re supposed to believe is better on national security? His team can’t even keep a website up and running. Pathetic!
Go, Ned!!!
On break from work –
What could anyone possibly hope to achieve by a denial of services attack on election day? Do people perhaps use these sites to find their polling place? Maybe, but it is very different than a phone-jamming scheme. Unless the Liebercamp was using emails as the primary GOTV efforts. If so, they may have crashed their own site. Perhaps there was an attack, but it doesn’t at all sound like a DOS attack. I just don’t get it. And the inability to bring it back speaks of sucky web guys — probably hires as downturn cast-offs. Or mayb ethey got them from New Jersey as well.
If there is anything Rovian about this, it would be that Lieberman now has a (ridiculous) talking point about why he must pursue his indy run. I would be prepared to just challenge their characteristic of this event, “We have seen no proof that his website didn’t just collapse from its own weight.”
Pathetic
Oh good grief. I just read what TPM got from that Geary guy, and all I can say is OH FOR F**K’S SAKE! They’ve been hacked at least once before and they didn’t have any backup databases, backup sites, firming up of their backdoors–NOTHING?
Mystery solved: Rank incompetence brings down RGJoe’s website.
TeddySanFran, GREAT CATCH!
I’m commenting what was in YOUR link.
“Why the Lieberman Website Story is Bullshit.”
Posted by Skinner in General Discussion
Tue Aug 08th 2006, 01:23 PM
I’m watching MSNBC, and the guy from the Lieberman campaign is complaining that an alleged “hack” on their website is making it impossible for them to get their message to people who visit their site.
This is clearly bullshit. Here’s why:
The Lieberman campaign has access to their server. Look what you get when you go to the lieberman homepage: http://www.joe2006.com
UPDATE ON THE ATTACK ON THE LIEBERMAN CAMPAIGN WEBSITE
STATEMENT FROM SEAN SMITH: “For the past 24 hours the Friends for Joe Lieberman’s website and email has been totally disrupted and disabled, we believe that this is the result of a coordinated attack by our political opponents. The campaign has notified the US Attorney and the Connecticut Chief State’s Attorney and the campaign will be filing a formal complaint reflecting our concerns. The campaign has also notified the State Attorney General Dick Blumenthal for his review.”
“We call on Ned Lamont to make an unqualified statement denouncing this kind of dirty campaign trick and to demand whoever is responsible to cease and desist immediately. Any attempt to suppress voter participation and undermine the voting process on Election Day is deplorable and has no place in our democracy.”
This proves that they now have access to their server. If they were genuinely concerned about getting their message out to people who visit their site, then they would put their old homepage back up. They haven’t done that. Instead, they put up this BS “update”.
BOTTOM LINE: The existence of this “update” page proves that the Lieberman campaign has access to their server, and they could put up anything they want.
UPDATE: THEY CHANGED IT BACK! The page now shows the “This account is under construction Please check back soon. It will be availableshortly. Thank you.” Fortunately, I have a screen capture:”
Go, Ned!!!
Oh, one more thing. The TPMM story has this quote:
Not only did they not secure themselves against such an attack, the didn’t do so AFTER they were attacked on a previous occasion.
Adie @ 207
Same visual! The thuggish cry foul.
This is bullshit. The SQL thing is for Microsoft. Joe’s site is using cpanel, which doesn’t run on the MS platform.
Here’s my theory, if I haven’t been EPU’d.
Make sense?
newtonusr @
202
I picture it as something like this hehe.
lotus @ 117
Champagne all around! And get the good stuff!
GrandmaJ @ 158
GrandmaJ I’m very concerned about this too. I’ve been checking the blog all day, and it looks really nasty.
I thought this day would be fun :~)
John Casper
That DU explanation doesn’t make sense. The page being present in each case is the same page–one that a user is shunted to if the site he’s trying to reach has been suspended for some reason. It’s not in the Lieberman domain space.
glastvoter @ 209
EXACTLY. Ridicule them and tell them that it has nothing to do with anything except Team Joe’s rank incompetence. Tell them to quit whining!
Yeh. Even if their site was deleted and they didn’t have a backup (where did I put that floppy disk?) they could totally put up a placeholder front page with no links and all the relevant phone numbers. They have not. That is prima facie evidence to me that they just want to use this as a martyr gig, and are not really concerned about people not being able to get their phone number for a ride to the polls, or any of that other bleating.
John Casper @ 10:55 am (#56) – Just lost an entire comment. Read the Wikipedia entry on DOS attacks to get an idea what’s possible. There’s plenty more it doesn’t mention, but that’s a start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D…..of_service
Pay particular attention to the section “Distributed attack”. Such attacks can be almost impossible to trace, and can be difficult to stop, as well. I don’t know what happened, for all I know even the reference to the SQL server attacks was an example.
My questions, at this moment are, in no particular order:
* Who is the online provider? They weren’t identified in the TPM story.
* We know the Dewey Square Group is the content provider, but apparently they don’t know anything about the attacks, since they were provided information by the online provider. Is that true?
* What sort of logs are kept by the online provider, and for how long?
* What IP addresses were involved in the attacks?
* Of those IP addresses, which, if any, made TCP connections?
If they are accusing someone of a DOS attack, they’d better have some logs that prove it. Otherwise, they don’t want to be complaining to any legal authority.
Some MUCK on the HACK: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/
Sometimes an FDL thread becomes the single best source of breaking news on the
fuckingplanet.This is one of those threads.
Way to go Dover!
Late comment here (will EPU it if necessary). If an attacker got onto (one of) joementum’s web host(s), it is likely that the hosting provider’s policy is that the server is wiped immediately: reinstall the operating system, then let the customer reinstall their applications. This is to prevent the compromised server from being used as a platform to attack other systems. This is not negotiable–if you’re hacked, your system gets taken down instantly to prevent further damage to other hosts and to the hosting provider’s peering relationships.
It can take hours or days to reinstall the application software, especially if you don’t know when the server was compromised, so you can’t trust the backups.
Birdman @
159
I love whois – but I’m also behind a firewall and can’t ping. When I break for lunch (I’m in CA) I’ll use my non-vpn’d iBook to try to ping. I’m kinda slammed so it may be later, as I think I’ll probably work through lunch. Sorry, man.
John Casper @ 11:13 am -
Whoever owns joe2006.com also owns lieberman2006.com, according to a WHOIS search. Did either of those sites change Web hosting companies and/or Internet service providers today? Which site is reporting problems?
I was able to run a traceroute on joe2006.com and was able to run a traceroute on lieberman2006.com up to a point.
Can anyone close the open bold tag?
Hasn’t anyone considered that it’s the work of Karl Rove? He once bugged his client’s office to create bad press for his opponent. A bit desperate, I know, but it has created a stir.
Start your watches! Only two hours until the Lieberman victory party at 5PM!
…wonder if it’ll be as much fun as the Kerry victory party at the Copley in ‘04?
Yay! Christy. Somehow my refresh stalled two whole threads ago. You nail it. Now to go back and catch up…if possible on this glorious, glorious day.
EPUed waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back then: has the first MSM reporter yet asked the J-Lies if they paid for their bandwidth. More important, has the first MSM reporter asked if J-Lie will apologize for tryin to cover up his campaign’s incompetence by smear and sleaze.
Out with the old…in with the NED.
# 128
What’s she say? All I really understood was the part about the door not hitting her in the ass on the way out…
Man, this place is hoppin’! I love this community!
I take back my last comment. I guess other databases are vulnerable if the web apps are written by idiots.
*ilson…
Or like this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9…..210282420/
OK, the other Rovian aspect of this is that it has hijacked the important story; we want Ned Lamont to win. Whether it’s an inside job or some disgruntled hacker, I don’t care anymore.
Let’s put our energy toward winning the primary, then the election(s), and not worry so much about what others are doing or not doing.
New thread please!
So this prissy little Haven Hamilton lookalike, Joe Soreloserman is a rank incompetent as well as a criminal traitor?
That should seal his fate forever in the annals of sulpherous perdition. Thank F*CK for the good people like Ned ,Jane and all F-dogs.
This is the year everything changed.
Jo Fish @ 220
Yes – it makes sense. See 78.
I honestly doubt it was planned though. The whole “blogger = hacker” thing is just a convenient way for the Lieberman campaign to spin the story to cover their stupidity.
Really? Then why did they trot out that explantation? Fascinating. I think it’s time for a little journalism.
This is a rather technical review from a diarist at KOS. Summary
- No firewall on the server
- SQL access port open
- No load sharing for traffic
- Outsourced server shared with another company (Their website if fine)
An open invitation for trouble.
Copy and pasted from the comments at Kos:
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: JOE2006.COM
Registrar: BULKREGISTER, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.bulkregister.com
Referral URL: http://www.bulkregister.com
Name Server: NS1.THEPLANET.COM
Name Server: NS2.THEPLANET.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 14-jun-2006
Creation Date: 23-jun-2002
Expiration Date: 23-jun-2007
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 03:51:28 EDT
The reseller MYHOSTCAMP.COM is who joe2006 was actually hosted with, even though the server was provided to MYHOSTCAMP.COM by The Planet.
MYHOSTCAMP.COM looks to be a one server computer operation hosting just 74 websites. How did joe2006.com end up hosting with MYHOSTCAMP.COM?
The administrative and technical contact on record for MYHOSTCAMP.COM is-
Stadwiser, Steve
PO Box 120805
San Diego, California 92112
United States
619 805 3374
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/8/124621/2122
Dover Bitch @ 11:57 am (#217) – In the comment that was lost, I wondered if the SQL Server thing was just an example, or maybe the only DOS attack that reporter could think of off the top of his head.
jayackroyd @ 225
Thanks jayackroyd and Cujo at 12:01!
I would strongly invite you both, as your schedules allow to continue on this thread, trying to advise the Lamont campaign as to what prioritized actions they should be taking right now. This thread is probably the best way to communicate with Ned’s HQ.
We’re probably relying on *ilson and Christy to relay whatever they think is most relevant.
Thanks to everyone for really excellent comments about technical support.
No, it’s a quote from the Joe’s Internet manager. I’ve dropped Paul Kiel a couple of notes on this, including the cpanel comment.
I just lost this comment, will try again:
From Kos comments:
Domain Name: JOE2006.COM
Registrar: BULKREGISTER, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.bulkregister.com
Referral URL: http://www.bulkregister.com
Name Server: NS1.THEPLANET.COM
Name Server: NS2.THEPLANET.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 14-jun-2006
Creation Date: 23-jun-2002
Expiration Date: 23-jun-2007
____
The reseller MYHOSTCAMP.COM is who joe2006 was actually hosted with, even though the server was provided to MYHOSTCAMP.COM by The Planet.
MYHOSTCAMP.COM looks to be a one server computer operation hosting just 74 websites. How did joe2006.com end up hosting with MYHOSTCAMP.COM?
The administrative and technical contact on record for MYHOSTCAMP.COM is-
Stadwiser, Steve
PO Box 120805
San Diego, California 92112
United States
619 805 3374
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/8/124621/2122
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001298.php
When you have time why not send josh and paul a little love and thank them for their brilliant fucking stenography. Work like this would make judith miller proud.
*ilson, if you have time, and you if you think any of my 10:55 is helpful, I’d appreciate you trying to move it up the food chain.
Oh my God …there’s a food chain here? Is it a buffet?
BranfordBoy also has a complaint, which he’s lodged at MyLeftNutmeg:
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/frontPage.do
Excellent Bob Geiger – Lieberman’s Dog Gets Fleas
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..26790.html
Of course this “crash” at Lieberman’s site could be used as a further pretext to “regulate” the internet in the future; i.e., shut down the effective tool we have to communicate successfully and bring about change…
2Mocha Dem @ 12:10 pm (#244) – If that’s true, they’re doing just about everything wrong for a site that’s bound to draw the wrong kind of attention. Except, of course, they could be doing the site maintenance from India.
Sore Loserman!
Toxic Tom Delay will withdraw his name and will encourage a write-in candidate.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00641.html
Looks like the “throw the bums out” theme is still running strong.
Have you seen Alaska’s Frank Murkowski in the polls? He is just ahead of Ohio’s Bob “17%” Taft and that other chowder head from Kentucky, Ernie Fletcher.
-GSD
Kos (our master) has a good tech run-down on the hack.
“Just another scurrilous charge.”
Perfect response from Ned.
They are handling this beautifully. Tim’s quotes have been great too.
If elected, Ned Lamont will be a great senator. He continuously shows excellent judgment despite the scurrilous curveballs that Team Joe sends his way.
I commend Ned Lamont and his staff for their professionalism, focus, and commitment to Democratic principles.
LindyH @
221
Christy, *ilson et al,
If this has not already been taken care of – can someone on the ground in CT make sure Tom Swan gets a heads up about this?
Great work FireDogLakers everywhere! We’re almost there, and won’t tomorrow be interesting if Ned pulls this off!!
P.S. From a few days ago to *ilson. It was Romanian, BTW…
New post at TPMMuckraker seems to support my theory that the Lieberman campaign didn’t think the website was very important, and went for cheap instead of reliable. Geary, who was the name on the earlier email saying they’d paid their bills and that it was a Denial of Service, is now their “internet consultant” who designed their website. (I wouldn’t expect those two functions to be done by the same person in anything but a mom-and-pop service.) And he’s now saying it was hacked, not a Denial of Service. But in addition to the hosting service and the site design apparently being the same guy, the quote that makes me think that it’s a small shop that was a poor choice for a major Senate campaign is “we’re not security experts.”
WTF? No security is perfect, and anyone can get hacked, but that’s practically saying “we’re amateurs.”
tommy yum @ 236
And you are part of the reason this is a great community, tommy! Love the new Blue America song.
There has been nothing – nothing – about Joe Lieberman’s campaign that has smacked of good sense, true interest in the voters, or focus on serving the people.
That Smith creature, or maybe it was Maid Marion, said they had had hack attacks for over two months, but apparently they never thought to take any steps to prevent it from happening again. The people running the website are as clueless as those running the ground campaign, and those on the ad team.
What it all seems to boil down to, on every front in the Lieberman campaign is the whiney lament, “Why is this happening to meeeeeeeee?” Someone needs to get Joe a mirror, and every time he starts this pathetic whine, hold it up in front of his frog-face. In fact, Lamont should give his supporters posters with mirrors attached, which say, “Hey, Joe – want to know what’s wrong with Connecticut, why you’re losing, why we’re angry? Look right here.”
Jesus, these people do not deserve to win fourth prize in a three=prize contest.
MSNBC has been salivating about the story for the last hour (go Tweety and Noron…way to underreport…)
MSNBC = Made-up Shit Nobody Bothers Checking
totally bizzare;
it seems firedoglake is brutally slow for me as if it is undergoing a dos attack
anyone else?
anyway, kos has a GREAT post about the aleged attack on liebermans site
Seriously.. how many people in CT are going to let this story change their minds on who they vote for? I’d bet 90% of them dont even know that this going on (and if this story DOES change their minds.. and these are all Democratic voters, then I dont have a lot of hope for America returning to sanity in 2006. However, I’m willing to bet this is nothing more then a tempest in a teapot).
allright already @ 242
I agree – the story is false and should be over by now. The real story of the day and the MSM and we should be focusing on is that there is widespread turnout and support for Ned Lamont across the state. Lamont supporters are not some fringe group but a large contigency of everyday people and families from across CT – and not just the big cities.
This is the message that Lieberman does not want voters to see today – and right now Liebermann might be losing in the polls, but he’s winning the media message machine.
264…bwahahahahaha
You can’t keep a good KOS down: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..5948/78690
I just sent a tip to my local paper, considering the administrative and technical contact on record for MYHOSTCAMP.COM is in San Diego. Lets see if anyone will investigate from that angle.
Closing bold?
me to me 265
moi aussi
I believe Cpanel runs on Apache. Correct me if I’m wrong.
In Need of Surveillance @ 266
MSNBC has always beat stories to death. Remember the kid who flew a light plane into a high rise in Florida? They stayed on that non stop, 24/7, for THREE FREAKING DAYS!
the kos post technical examination of the supposed attack
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/8/144119/5628
pretty funny stuff
Cujo,
Gross incompetence of the highest order. And you just know they don’t have a backup file anywhere.
Kids, in regards to the KOS diary Mocha Dem linked to, don’t ever try this at home. It’s considered rude, if not downright illegal, to scan a site without their permission. If you have the bad luck to do this to a U.S. Government computer system, you may find yourself greeting unwelcome, well-armed visitors.
Scott@265
It’s not realy about this vote. RGJoe is setting conditions for his independant run by smearing Lamont with this.
MSNBC Coverage:
this a.m., they kept switching back & forth tw’ breathless Tweetie and interviews with those in line for new round of Amer. Idol auditions.
that says it all, pretty much. nothing else in the world to see. move along…
This hack story is so boring!!
Anyone have info on what’s happening on the ground in terms of turnout, absentee ballots, exit polls?
It might be a good idea to send the link to the dKos diary to Wolf so we have a shot at the incompentence story making one of the internet segments.
The contact form is here
Here’s another link to the Kos Diary that Mocha had put up.
I heard there was a gigantic traffic jam in CT on 95 North due to turpentine spill from truck accident. FDLers traveling in CT, be sure to monitor traffic reports.
*Unlike the 2000 elections, I plan on fighting for every vote this time around even it it means crying “ballot fraud” and “cyber-attack”!
-Desperate Joe Lieberman
*Satire and not really written by Joe Lieberman
Doesn’t Cpanel run on Apache?
Hi, tommy! I don’t think I’ve crossed paths with you here since the song came out, but it’s great and I’m a big fan! We’re sure not gonna “keep a lid on it” any more, right? *g*
Thanks for the kind hellos John and Jenny and somethingrotten.
It’s a gorgeous day here in the Alaskan interior. A lot on our minds up here with the oil field shutdown (we will lose approx 40% of state govt funding during the shutdown), and the Federal Reserve meeting today….but my eyes are all on Ned. Joementum has Nomentum and it’s time to send him home. Ned by 4 is my call.
National Dems have begun the “great distancing” from Lonesome Joe if he loses.
Shorter Dems: You are on your own Joe.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0808.html
-GSD
Long-time lurker, first time poster…
I am at work and don’t have access to TV, so I don’t know precisely what is being said. However, I *am* in IT Security, I can tell you my feelings on this.
First, Joe’s site was NOT DoS’ed. If it was, we wouldn’t be able to reach the site so easily, so that’s BS.
Second, it *is* possible that the site was hacked via a SQL injection attack. If this is true, this is the fault of Joe’s tech people. Protecting a site from SQL injection is not rocket science, and the code is readily available on the Internet (if you can get through the tubes).
Finally, as mentioned elsewhere, this could be a simple case of not paying the bill to the hosting provider. What we see is, indeed, a common cPanel message. But this doesn’t make sense, either, since they have access to change the front page of the site.
This leaves only option two (from what I have seen), and it wouldn’t take more than five minutes to remove the offending code, restore the site, and be back and moving. Total time? 15-20 minutes? Maybe?
There are script kiddie tools out there that can do this kind of damage, and if that’s what happened, the joe campaign people have nobody but themselves to blame. Attacks on servers are frequent, and they should know this.
Otherwise, it’s a simple ploy by the joe people. I don’t go for conspiracies often, but I *know* how long it should take them to get their site back, and it shouldn’t take them this long. I can only conclude that joe’s IT people are incompetent (and that’s terribly tough for me to say) or this is a conspiracy.
Rooting for Ned vicariously in the deep, red south,
bigfatdrunk
me to me @
264
I don’t know about a DOS attack. I’m guessing it is just a big – really big – pack of firepups, all trying to get to the bowl of puppy chow in the corner of the kitchen.
All those bundles of energy, pushing against their brothers and sisters with their heads down, their bottoms up, and their tails wagging furiously.
Go Ned!
this is soooo slow right now, driving me crazy. Gonna go away for awhile. Back later
Stay safe out there firedawgs.
Y’re special ;->
WELCOME HOME EGREGIOUS!
GO NED!
Mary for now @ 74
And who could predict that a server might go down at any time for any reason, so that we might need a backup? And who could have thought about supplying our most important GOTV types with smartphones so we didn’t need server email to contact them? Well, here’s one thing I think all of us could have predicted: no matter what, Joe thinks he’s running against the internets, not Ned.
BTW, my “loading” is sl-o-o-o-w too, and I’m on cable highspeed. Guess the site is popular today. Heh. Oh, and welcome, Alaska Pete. Please don’t re-lurk.
twolf1 @ 283
OMG, those horrible bloggers have now hacked the Connecticut freeway system! Will their terrorism never end?!
Okay, Cujo–point well taken. Lets obsess about the next non-issue!
JaneThread upstairs!
twolf1 @ 281
Clearly the work of bloggers trying to stop people from voting for Joe by painting him with a broad brush and then covering their trucks with turpentine.
I demand the Lamont camp–many of whom are drivers, I would note– apologize for this indefensible pollution of our interstate contrived to deny Leiberman voters of their oportunity to vote!
This site hub bub is clear cut example of PATHETIC reporting. No facts, just accusations being run around as the gospel. Idiots! Total incompetent morons!
Ya know what this is? It’s patheti-sad.
twolf1 @ 283
Quick, find out if the turpentine or trucking industry is a Lieberman contributor! This is obviously a dirty trick from Joe2006! *g*
Wow, what a Pa.the.tic. attempt by Loserman.
It’s fast and furious today. Thanks for holding the fort down Christy.
new thread (but you already knew that)
twolf1:
Do you think the “truck accident” was another attack by Joe’s opponents?
Maybe Joe’s campaign was using Sen. Stevens’ internets “trucks” to deliver his data…
Testing – one of my comments that I did not preview went right through. The other comment that I did preview stopped FDL with an error message after about 3 minutes loading.
I am NOT previewing this message – let’s see if it goes through.
Anne
I’m starting a crusade to get you to put together a “Best of Anne” segment to be sent to NYT oped page. I know others agree with me about how level-headed and eloquent all your arguments and opinions are and how persuasive they could be to the general public.
Anne To The NYT!!
I katymine @ 11
I got a question
who exactly is a “blogger”
is it Jane ??? Christy ???
is it just the site owner ???
or do we all count ???
if I’m a blogger, then the problem might not be hacking
I just can’t drive a computer worth a damn
that blackout a few years back ??? I was trying to download a graphic and …
btw, I’m sorry about that
seriously though, what is a “Blogger” ???
I personally believe it is a cover story for his primary loss and subsequent independent run. This ruse is part and parcel of every one of Joe’s actions so far in this campaign. As an added bonus, the “geeky” internet bloggers are spending all of their time trying to discredit the story.
Ned shouldn’t even dignify questions concerning the issue. Stick to your gameplan Ned.
who left a tag out ???
not as dumb as I claim to be
According to Kos, he just confirmed that they paid $15 for the host site at myhostcamp.com with a total bandwidth limitation of 10Gb per month. The host is down all together. All of their sites are down.
So basically they spent less money on their campaign web site than the average AOL user pays for their personal home page.
Anyone seen any exit polls yet?
In fact, Lamont should give his supporters posters with mirrors attached, which say, “Hey, Joe – want to know what’s wrong with Connecticut, why you’re losing, why we’re angry? Look right here.”
LOL! or as Lotus would say 707!
it didn’t close in the 250 range
This is a ruse to allow Joe to claim the primary results are unreliable when he loses today. (I doubt this will change today’s outcome.) Therefore, he will be justified in running as an independent and it won’t be disloyal for other Democratic big-guns to support him in that run.
I’m going to starve myself on that Purina diet until the bloggers stop disrupting the real and virtual highways. GO NED!!
This is pure Rovian dirty tricks and the mainstream media should make a point of this. Our IMC in Florida was hacked the same way by a right-winger in Texas, no less. It’s true that one person can do an SQL server attack from anywhere. What happens is that the site would have had to be down until a skilled person changed the site to a completely different server which leads me to believe this was expertly planned in advance.
tweety talking to bowtie on msnbc…. ya’ know? I think today, tweety is our friend… tweety can’t understand how someone can support the war wholeheartedly and then say he questions how the war was executed…
J. P. Spencer @ 183
LOL. I have to somewhat agree, especially considering the Democratic party skews young. The first I had ever heard of Holy Joe was during his video game crusade in the mid 90’s and if he had been my senator he would’ve lost my vote permanently. Hillary has attempted the same video-games-are-evil meme recently… I had to wonder aren’t there more important issues out there she should focus on? To establishment Democrats I would advise, leave the techno fearmongering to the wingers. Stick to real issues like getting our government working again.
baghdad joe @
14
It may work short term….but if I were Ned Lamont, I would subpoena Lieberman’s ISP records for his site. That evidence will put an end to speculation and be proof positive that the Lamont campaign had nothing to do with the “total breakdown of the Lieberman campaign”…their words, not mine. What a bunch of wusses.
Are there any exit poll results? I’m at work and don’t have access to anything but my computer…I’ve googled…and nothing so far.
Can we can Tucker “BB” short for bowtied bastard? I vote, ‘yes’.
Gawd, that’s so fucking obvious. Journalism 101.
Joe accuses Ned of misdeeds.
Reporter calls Ned, asks for a response before writing a story.
If the explanation shows Joe to be full of s**t, the reporter confirms it and calls Joementum’s people and says WTF are you feeding me?
Then you either spike the story or you recast it to show how a longtime senator’s staff on election day is making baseless allegations against an upstart who’s kicking his a**. There are a couple more steps in there, but that’s the basic action plan.
The claim is total bullshit. They’re paying $15 a month for hosting on that site. It will be easy as hell to determine it was a case of server overload and the fact that Joe wasn’t paying for adequate bandwidth.
Now it’s possible a bunch of geeks got together and used up his bandwidth, but that’s what you get for not having enough in the first place. In any event, Lamont did a good CYA by offering his IT guys, who no doubt make Joe’s look like luddites.
He’s really learned well from Karl Rove. I wish Joe would just go ahead and become a repug. He certainly doesn’t fit any definition of a Democrat I ever heard.
I wish Ned could find a way to say something like, “one of the great things about the internet is that this kind of problem is easily traceable. I’m sure you’ll be able to get to the bottom of this and report the facts soon.”
Good lord, do we bloggers have to do everything? Sheesh.
Apparently, yes. And, thanks!