
Atilla the Hen and her mouthy minions have been spouting off endlessly to the media for two straight days without providing one shred of evidence that the Lieberman website was, indeed, hacked. Nor has any evidence been provided that shows they had competent web personnel who were using firewall protection (which is now in question, based on this DKos diary).
And despite their insinuations and outright accusations that someone in the Lamont campaign was involved (see this Hen e-mail to the NYTimes...for a second straight piece in that newspaper, with no response from the Lamont campaign nor anything from a tech expert on the viability of the accusations..classy), there is not one shred of evidence reported anywhere -- or given by the Lieberman campaign -- to substantiate their smarmy accusations. Not one shred.
Which brings me to the things that I DO know about this:
1. When the Lamont web team found out that the Lieberman website was having problems, they called Lieberman headquarters and offered to go over to Joe's HQ and help to fix the website. That is classy and decent. And they have not heard one thing back from anyone at Lieberman's office about their offer. Not. One. Thing.2. Didn't hear about that offer of help from the Lamont staffers from any of the Liebermen media smear team, did you? The offer was made ages ago. Hello reporters -- can I get some follow-up in aisle seven?
3. But wait, there is more -- the Lamont campaign not only offered to send tech help, they also offered to host Joe Lieberman's website on their own Lamont servers. What did the Lieberman campaign say to such a decent offer? Not a damn thing -- they haven't even bothered to respond in all of the hours that the offer has been on the table.
One begins to wonder if they are milking this story in the media rather than trying to mitigate their damages. I also know something else: computer geeks nationwide are sitting in their cubicles, shaking their heads and saying to themselves, "It's about the bandwidth, idiot. You get what you pay for, and you are getting bargain basement bandwidth."
This is an election for national office. The media are running with unsubstantiated rumors that don't add up factually, and broadcasting them to voters on election day. Tampering with an election is a crime. If some sick-ass hacker did, indeed, break into the Lieberman campaign's website, then they should be prosecuted. Period.
But what remedy do we have against a political campaign intent on blaming their own technical shortcomings on their opponent in a last-minute smear campaign on election day, if that is what is happening? And how do we hold the media accountable for their role as witting accomplices?
Did no one learn anything from Judy Miller?!?
Oh, and and FYI to the Lieberman campaign: filing false criminal complaints can result in criminal charges being filed against the person making bogus allegations. So if you plan on filing complaints all over the state, you'd best be certain that you can back them up with facts. Smoke and mirrors may work with a complacent media, but it doesn't cut it with a judge or an over-worked prosecutor and criminal investigators. They don't find false complaints remotely amusing.
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EPUd on my link to this site:
http://robertbrigham.blogspot......break.html
they claim:
” the next question is whether Sean Smith, Joe Lieberman’s campaign manager, will be held accountable for filing complaints with the Connecticut Attorney General and Chief State’s Attorney’s offices. Connecticut’s Penal Code includes:
Sec. 53a-180c. Falsely reporting an incident in the second degree: Class A misdemeanor. (a) A person is guilty of falsely reporting an incident in the second degree when, knowing the information reported, conveyed or circulated to be false or baseless, such person gratuitously reports to a law enforcement officer or agency (1) the alleged occurrence of an offense or incident which did not in fact occur, (2) an allegedly impending occurrence of an offense or incident which in fact is not about to occur, or (3) false information relating to an actual offense or incident or to the alleged implication of some person therein.
(b) Falsely reporting an incident in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.
Not only did the Lieberman campaign lie to the press, but it appears they may have violated the law.”
votez!
Atilla the Hen and her mouthy minions LOL
You’re a kick Christy!
NEDRENALINE!
Width! (band, that is!)
Finally got my ephemeral comment “O.”
GO NED. Joementum got Nomentum.
Ned!
I get 50GB of bandwidth for $10 a month. Never had a problem because the tech team at my host is first rate. never saw much in the way of content at Joe’s site that would eat 10GB. It’s nearly all text and images.
Very sloppy media coverage.
Thanks Christy, Bullseye.
Go Ned, Go Jane, Go Christie!!!!
Christy, you’re right. They ARE milking it. From TPM Muckracker:
Talk to Fox NOW; fix site later. Dork.
put him jail, right next to his buddy bush.
Holy shit. This just gets funnier. Go read Kos.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/8/181016/9275
Size does matter after all!
the answer is no. No one learned anything from Judy Miller.
I know the MSM is not going to listen to my emails to them explaining what is known or not known about Lieberman’s server problems, but don’t the MSM reporters out there talk to Lamont staffers? And are not Lamont staffers well-versed in the technical situation by now and if so, are the staffers not informing the press? Or is the press simply ignoring them?
EPU’d from previous thread.
Ned Lamont’s a mensch!
To which I’ll now add,
And Joe Lieberman is a schmuck!
Ergo, there’s no other reason necessary to vote for Lamont.
BC
Do they look like a bunch of fools or what? Even if Joe wins, how much fodder is his campaign giving the opposition with what they are doing today?
To quote myself:
Maybe it’s a cheap shot, but I thought it was an interesting parallel, and the timing really brought it home. Obviously the scale is way off, but the “I don’t have to worry about bad things which will benefit me” strategy is the same.
It might also explain why the joe2006.com site was so lame in the first place - maybe *this* was its true purpose.
If it’s this bad now; just wait until the fall. It ain’t gonna be pretty. No Marquess of Queensberry jazz.
the answer is no. No one learned anything from Judy Miller.
Sure they did. They learned that you can get away with anything as long as you don’t get subpoenaed on a totally unrelated matter.
maxine waters is supposed to go on the air with Tweety in the 7 eastern hour. Someone call her and get her to get the truth out.
Fuckin’ A Christy! And Joe is a putz. Oy Vey!
EPU’d, from THE FIELD, RevDeb:
Teddy
The frickin hotel toobz won’t let me post on the thread. Could you put this up for me please?
Deb
I was at the Cheshire district that had the 10% by nine am turnout. No hard evidence, but it felt like a 2:1 Ned advantage by then.
Out again at noon to another polling place. VERY slow there, but what did come in was Ned friendly.
Gonna go out again at 4 for the duration. Then I get to call in the numbers from the polling place I will be at. What a kick!
Haven’t been able to post here. The GD hotel toobz won’t let me. It has been driving me CRAZY since I got here on Sat. I’ve missed communicating with you all.
I’ve missed eggsactly who Attila is - ?
EPU’d, but there was a link to WOnkette, indicating that a company called 2 Dog Media was used by the campaign for its web services. That company is listed with the CT Sec of State as being owned by a woman who is/was very active in CT Young Democrats. Szeps is the last name. Maybe someone in with the campaigns knows her and can get some scoop?
It looks like she set her co. up in 2001 and has provided “political consulting” services before http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/rpt/2005-R-0759.htm through that company, so I don’t think its like blindsiding a novice for someone to get her comment. ?? Obviously, we like Young Democrats, so here’s hoping she can resolve the whole kerfuffle.
Are there no exit polls? No on-the-scene reports?
*sound of hair pulling*
Polls close in an hour and a half…
Well, that was fun. Off to Drinking Liberally - now with wi-fi!
Well, today seems to be the day *my* server (er, my PC) crashed too. I’m blaming my own crack technical staff (he’s 18) for the problem. In the meantime, I’m back here at the office, probably for the evening, to enjoy the festivities.
Maybe a quick trip to the grocery for some popcorn and stuff is in order…?
I’ve missed eggsactly who Attila is - ?
Marion Steinfels, Attack Chicken Extraordinaire.
And Representative Fattah send support to Joe today, and I’ve seen reports he’s thinking about a run for Mayor in Philly.
Philly has quite a group of bloggers.
I’m just saying.
IMO, this is worse than when the MSM announced Bush’s win in Florida before the polls had closed. Yet they were never held responsible. Just like on 911, when they showed the old newsreel of people celebrating and giving candy out on the streets of Afghanistan. I believe the MSM and the drop in newspaper sales are the screwing they get for the screwing they gave. I can’t wait until this generation of MSM are out of business.
Lou Dobbs is about to address this on CNN……
This incident is clear evidence of two things:
1) The corporate media will always, always report what the incumbency says as fact.
2) Facts be damned—good stories that hook viewers are more important than truth.
Take this as fair warning, every single Democratic candidate, baseless smears will become stories in the national and local media simply because they increase viewers. Every campaign is going to need rapid reaction forces to knock these bullshit stories down.
Sad to say, Lamont’s campaign waited too long. Notice how Lieberman had a few people fanning out and pushing the same thing? Lamont should have had twice as many people stopping the story. I don’t think it will change this election, but it is a taste of things to come.
Millineryman @ 30
*snort*
Razor, meet throat.
No matter what actually happened, the fact that they haven’t even got a placeholder page up proves that their IT staff (contracted, presumably) is incompetent. (Well, or that this is a hoax, but I don’t think the Lieberman campaign could pull that off competently.)
Even if it was hacked, and even if they couldn’t be confident of the integrity of their backups, not being able to put up a single HTML front page with basic primary-day information after 24 hours is simply gross incompetence.
Someone brought up ancient Roman law in an earlier thread — didn’t the Roman punishment for making false criminal charges involve tying the offender up in a sack with a wild animal and throwing them into the Tiber? (The Potomac would make a suitable substitute.)
Just daydreaming… I can’t think of any wild animal I would willingly subject to such a cruel punishment.
PS: Bargain Countertenor — didn’t you attend the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople?
It might also explain why the joe2006.com site was so lame in the first place - maybe *this* was its true purpose.
and to think i thought he didn’t know how to do it like rove.
unless someone really hacked his site he looks like a WATB.
i have a good feeling about this one. so finally the democrats win, by beating a democrat. america is scary.
“I’ve missed eggsactly who Attila is - ?”
Marion Steinfels, Lieberman’s campaign spokeswoman
Just daydreaming… I can’t think of any wild animal I would willingly subject to such a cruel punishment.
Why not just put them all in the same sack? Two birds with one stone, if you will.
I’m never getting out the door, am I…
CTBOB is on it…all the way around:
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/
;-)
Special request to fully wired FDLers. Please keep us non-cable users filled in on the goings on!
Bag of Cats!
Dan Whitworth @
36
Maybe Scooter Libby could train a bear for this purpose ?
Buenos tardes, amigos.
I’m going to go get ready to celebrate the completion of step one of the campaign to take back the United States.
BC
timewarp, I’ve got a high speed cable connection and I’ve been having a lot of trouble all day. This thread, however, so far at least, seems a lot better.
I don’t know much, but here’s a random thought: what is the definition of slander? can they get away with making these kind of allegations?
Another hilarious quote from Mr. Geary, courtesy of TPM Muckraker:
timewarp, MyDD always make good reading: http://www.mydd.com/ *wink
ROFL - it gets better.
There’s another Szeps, other than Kerry, listed at the same address as the home physical address for 2 Dogs Media.
A guy named Frank.
http://www.ctbizvotes.com/mweb.....s=-N509794
Who apparently is running/has run as a Republican for House Dist 029.
It’s a small world after all,
roberto @
16
Well, I don’t know about the national media, but a Hartford radio station had Tim Tagaris on explaining the whole thing, and sounding rather cranky about it, too. Except, damn, it looks like it’s no longer the featured audio. You can see a clip of it on CT Bob’s blog.
It’s a Rovian dirty trick, this whole thing.
50 to 55% turnout? 87 degrees? So much for the hot day in August theory, eh?
Edited by author: the community has spoken!
Tim Tagaris blasts Lieberman’s Team Mehlman with both barrels (from TPM):
—
Here’s another take on the whole Lieberman campaign web site hacking whodunit. It comes courtesy of Ned Lamont’s web guru, Tim Tagaris. He’s pretty upset about this whole thing.
Tagaris tells us something interesting. He says that not only did the Lamont campaign offer to help the Lieberman camp with their Web woes, but that the Lieberman campaign didn’t even respond to the offer.
“At first I was sympathetic to the possibility that this might be a hack. We offered to send them technical support, we offered to host their website on our server,” Tagaris said. Tagaris adds that Lamont’s campaign manager called Lieberman four hours ago. “They haven’t responded,” Tagaris says. Then he really got warmed up — more after the jump
Tagaris took the Lieberman camp to task, charging that this might not have even been a hack at all.“They’re completely taking advantage of the fact that most people don’t know anything about technology. It’s par for the course with them: they treat reporters and treat people like idiots.” He says that the site came down not because of a hack, but because “they pay fifteen dollars an hour” for their site, and it couldn’t handle the traffic.
Tagaris insisted that what really happened was that traffic overloaded the server, and because Lieberman’s site is the largest on there, it got knocked off the server. “You kick the fat kid off the bench,” Tagaris said.
At this point, Tagaris was really rolling along. “This reaffirms even more in my heart that [Lieberman] does not deserve to be senator,” he said. “He’s run a slimy campaign from the beginning, because he can’t talk about the issues.”
Tagaris paused, then let Lieberman have it one last time: “His campaign should be embarrassed from the senator on down.”
Heard Randi Rhodes reading from the WaPo’s website - said Joe had 2 campaign appearances today, and both were sparsely attended.
Heard Tweety interviewing Sean Smith, and he kept asking him if Lieberman had been a presence in CT these last 6 years, had he gone to all the boring local events, and such, and was he going to be the same kind of Senator for the next 6 years as he had been for the previous 6 years.
He asked these questions twice, and I kept thinking he was getting ready to sandbag Smith with someone who would report that Joe has not been responsive and has not been present, but…nothing. He just kind of let it hang there.
Thought it was weird, and then remembered who I was listenin to, and it all made sense.
OT - there’s a lovely photo of Jane and TRex up at Connecticut Bob’s website. TRex is the one wearing a tie, and Jane’s glasses are too excellent for words.
This is all *ilson’s fault…bless his conniving heart…hehe.
Hmmm… 1.2 million dollars in the last 15 days (Thanks to Matt Stoller and all they can muster for web hosting is $15/month? I smell “honey pot.” The only other possibility is that they’re deeply incompetant. On second thought…
thanks Eli @ 29
Eli @ 29
i was wondering that too, thanks
Countdown to Operation Jettison Judas Sheep begins in T-minus one hour thirteen minutes.
http://www.karlschatz.com/year.....7_3272.jpg
I’ve been having trouble getting to the FDL site. OMG NED LAMONT IS HAXING YOU CALL THE FBI AND STUFF!!!1!!
I can’t believe that Lieberman’s website story is all over the news. Is anyone besides the news media taking this seriously?
Dan Whitworth @ 36
That was the punishment for treason and parricide. I don’t know if it was also the punishment for false charges.
Uh, yeah. I got my FuD in Musicolological Statistics at Silo Tech, with Prof Schikele. I met and married Carmen Ghia there. Now I’m married to much nicer woman …
BC — always glad to meet another PDQ fan.
Lou Dobbs just brought up the web site hacking again and those crazy bloggers being mean to the Dem party. Unbelievable.
Mary for now @ 26
As a graphic designer and website developer, I know I would not want to be held responsible for such a big fuck-up, especiall at the host server end. I’m not sure much would be learned from her. I think her main responsibility would have been to simply provide her client with a webhost service that could provide adequate bandwidth for their probable needs. It could be the case that the choice of server was not even made by 2 Dog Media.
Love this ironic bit of self-promotional bloviating from 2dogmedia.com, Joe’s internet consultant of choice:
LMAO!
Thank you John C and Eli.
Surely some Young Dem’s in CT know the owner of 2 Dogs Media? Or if not, surely someone in the campaign knows the Republican Candidate from the Same Address? ;)
top of the front page of NYTimes.com
“Lieberman Camp Blames Foes for Web Site Crash”
By PATRICK HEALY and JENNIFER MEDINA 15 minutes ago
Senator Joseph I. Lieberman’s campaign accused its opponents of suppressing Connecticut voter turnout today in the Democratic primary race for U.S. Senate.
wow. just… wow.
Joe “commodore 64″ Lieberman
No wonder younger folks can’t stand Holy Joe. They see this for what it is — a sham. There might be a hacker, but I seriously doubt it — from the last piece by Jamie — paying $4.00 a month will get you this. Younger people know this. They are much more computer-savvy than older folks. My BF is a geek and when I told him this story, he was laughing at Joe. Sadly, with most voters, with the MSM saying it, too, it is like a weird language or something. They do not understand. And it is much easier to just trust someone who also knows NOTHING than to find out for themselves. And I noticed Chrissie Matthews just saying it was hacked — no question at all.
Can you say STUPID?
at least www.ConnecticutForLieberman.com is up and running already !
ccmask @ 65
Can’t somebody please get through to the MSM with the facts?!??!!!
Sticky - If that NY Times article pisses you off as much as it should, please email the Times. If you look upthread and at previous threads, you will see emails that were sent to the Times to crib from, as well as addresses. We need to show the Times that this bullshit will not stand.
Early reports on voter turnout along with speculation on what this means:
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/
CT. Sec. of St*te Vicevich sez on Colin McEnroe turnout could hit over 40percent. If results less than 841 diff will hold till 8-28 for *bsentee b*llots to be counted.
(kbd still fried. Using * for first letter of *bcdefg…)!
EPU’d from last thread - Mary at 57:
When you get a chance to get on that laptop that won’t allow you to post here, go to the FDL site and then double-click on that little red privacy report icon thingie at the bottom right of IE.
That should show you what cookies are being blocked at FDL (in my case, the only cookie I’ve got blocked here is the sitemeter.com site).
You might just have a cookie blocking you here at FDL wrt to Wordpress, while at other sites that use Wordpress, you’re not blocking their wp related cookies.
Deleting cookies doesn’t solve the problem since IE keeps a list of sites to block that grows over time and is separate from any individual cookie.
If the site is on the list as blocked, you have to go via IE into Tools->Internet Options-> Privacy Tab->Sites button-> and on the Managed Sites page, go scroll down the list of managed web sites and find firedoglake.com.
On the right side of the list it will show the setting of whether it is “Always Block” or “Always Allow”.
If it is blocked, you can change it there to “Always Allow”.
Don’t know if this is your problem or not, but it is worth checking.
Alright. Enough of the bullshit. While I realize its dicey and unsettled law, it strikes me that accusing someone of a criminal act in print is libellous. We know that voter fraud/suppression is a felony - just go ask James Tobin from New Hampshire. I think folks ought to start raising the question of libel to the news sources who are baselessly repeating this “scurrilous” crap.
roberto - send an email to the Times, CNN and MSNBC. I just did, and I posted my email upthread and on prior threads. You can find email address upthread and on prior threads as well. Please do it! These publications need to hear from us!
Perhaps it’s the host or something, but my host has everything I need to make this street musician look professional. I can produce any kind of forms or whatever right from their templates, and I can test them all before I post anything. FrontPage is my BACKUP for chrissake!
On my street corner in cyberspace I even have two “Virtual Guitar Cases” that folks all over the world can throw their duckets into and the exchange rates are computed automaticly!
Point being is that I and many folks here can do many of these things in our sleep. When Ned wins tonight, he has a ready made issue that could very well sink any possibility of Joe running in his independs.
BC sed: Uh, yeah. I got my FuD in Musicolological Statistics at Silo Tech, with Prof Schikele. I met and married Carmen Ghia there. Now I’m married to much nicer woman …
I once went to a fundraising concert at a dinky cabin (50 people max) in a park in a canyon near LA. The Armadillo String quartet played. Just before they started, they introduced us to the 5th member, sitting quietly in the rear - Peter Schikele. The Quartet had performed the west coast premier of one of his pieces the night before in LA, and he came to hang out with them in this quiet park. One of the most fun musical evenings, evah.
GO NED!
roberto -
I understand the point on not necessarily being responsible - but if she’s the one who set them up, wouldn’t she know what type of bandwidth requirements she had covered with the selected service? What type of use was projected?
What I seem to get from Jamie’s post before this one is that they went with a pretty rinkydink option for reasonable use expectations.
Some very warped deja vu here. Flashback Nov 2000. The rethugs have orchestrated many legal and illegal dirty tricks to steal the election. What does holy joe do? Stand and fight? Complain that Democratic votes are being suppressed? Nope, he goes home to claim “his” US Senate seat.
2006. Joe2006.com crashes. What does he do? He files a complaint with the CT attny general and sends his version of Ken Mehlman out to tell the media that the vote was suppressed.
What on earth persuaded Al Gore to nominate this guy? Was it advice from Big Dog?
hello mommybrain, how’s the brains?
*ilson46201 @ 69
LOLOLOLOL!!!!
Pachacutec @ 53
Bless you Mad Dog - I’m printing that out and will take it home with me tonight to try.
Sorry for the blog whoring. Just wanted to point out someone giving a shout out to FDL. Maru has some serious snark skillz.
John at AmericaBlog and Christy at firedoglake post on how the pathetic, lazy-ass MSM is getting it wrong:
snip
http://maruthecrankpot.blogspot.com/
Pachacutec @ 53
Thanks Pach.
I strongly applaud the very prudent caution in your comment.
It looks too much too me like a Rove sucker punch wrt the canceled appearances.
Until I have evidence to the contrary, I think Joezoe canceled those campaign stops, because his campaign told them they generated more publicity for the kissmobile, because he could not draw crowds.
With that said, I hope the press start pressing Joezoe about all those canceled appearances.
Mommybrain @ 78
I once went to a fundraising concert at a dinky cabin (50 people max) in a park in a canyon near LA. The Armadillo String quartet played. Just before they started, they introduced us to the 5th member, sitting quietly in the rear - Peter Schikele. The Quartet had performed the west coast premier of one of his pieces the night before in LA, and he came to hang out with them in this quiet park. One of the most fun musical evenings, evah.
GO NED!
Schikele writing as Schikele is every bit as much fun as Schikele writing as PDQ Bach. A few years ago I was playing in a brass quintet, and just for grins we worked up his Hornsmoke. It was a blast. I want to open my April Fool’s Day recital with PDQ’s Fanfare for the Common Cold.
BC
Hey, I love ya, but please be carefPachacutec @ 53
ul
Bargain Countertenor @
62
BC — always glad to meet another PDQ fan.
That’s the Bargain in the Countertenor, right? Go PDQ!
sticky 67
Joe “commodore 64″ Lieberman
ROTF
thank you!
the LieberWebbys are total fuckups — I just bought another domain name that they overlooked — DUMB FUCKS! — I will reveal it here just before 8pm after the forwarding ‘takes’ … it’s hilarious. Joe will so want to buy this one from me!
Well folks, my wife went in for minor surgery today (she’s recovering fine at home, TIA) and the kids want to go fishing. Getting them out of the house so she can have quiet is more important than waiting an hour for results. Please take care, and GO JOE!
Wonder which candidate benefits from low voter turnout in more blue-collar districts.
This type of charge has political benefits
1 - It can draw a few votes Joe’s way
2 - Once he loses, he can use this as an excuse to go independent and gain some type of political support from the establishment DC Dems.
3 - it builds momentum for him going into November (asa 3rd party candidate).
It just occurred to me — we should keep in mind that this is The Big Story because there’s no actual news about the results. While this slime will still be floating around, I really hope that when the returns start coming in and there’s something more exciting to talk about, this’ll start looking like the WATB crap that it is.
Oh, The Irony.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Officials with U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman’s re-election campaign blamed “dirty politics” and “Rovian tactics” for what they said was an online attack on their Web site as Connecticut voters headed to the polls Tuesday.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI.....index.html
Arrrgghhh!!!
CBS Evening News puked up the Lieberloser line on his website kerfluffle; to wit Lieberloser thinks that Lamont is responsible.
Didn’t even present a Lamont response at all; much less the adamant Lamont denial!
Guess even-handedness hasn’t been important to CBS since the Rather hangin’, and heaven forbid they’d actually learn something like researching their stories before airing ‘em.
Jill @ 46
It’s much harder to prove slander in this context. There is a pretty famous case involving Tom Suozzi’s(yes, THAT Tom Suozzi) father(? _Uncle?–I forget which) and horrible things that where said during a mayoral campaign.
IIRC the judges decided that a much higher threshold had to be met especailly if you are relying on the “wanton disregard for the the truth or untruth” = negligent slander, standdard.
has anyone come up with a ned cocktail we can all toast with?
need a name for it and a recipe.
hi ((Teddy)). The brain family is just fine, thanx. And your fine self? I’m glad I’m on the best coast, I’ll get some news before suppertime. We’re madly packing for a river trip - leave Sat, home in a couple of weeks. No toobz in the river, drat.
Matthews on again on MSNBC.
Is supposed to have Ned again momentarilly
Kevin McKenna, technology editor at The Times, is answering reader questions this week about the newspaper’s coverage of computers and technology. Questions can be sent to asktheeditors@nytimes.com.
SNIP
Please go over and ask the techie how come Joe thinks that bloggers hacked him.
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/bus.....?8dpc?8dpc
Peterr @ 89
That’s the Bargain in the Countertenor, right? Go PDQ!
PDQ writes for odd instruments and voices. So, instead of writing for a tenor, he writes wretchedly high stuff (countertenor, male alto) and calls for “Bargain Countertenor.” Bass parts are usually “Basso blotto,” sopranos are “Off-coloratura.” Can’t remember right now what he calls altos.
One of the highlights of my musical life was playing in an orchestra when PS was the guest artist. I played tromboon in the orchestra for Preachers of Crimetheus. I’m sitting grinning from ear-to-ear just thinking about the fun.
One of the reasons I knew Mrs BC was much better suited to me than Carmen Ghia was that Mrs BC likes PS’s schtick, too.
BC
This is right out of Rove’s playbook.
He did this in the Texas Govenor’s election in
1986.
This about it from “Bush’s Brain” by James C. Moore & Wayne Slater. (the quote if from a review (the review written by El Bicho for Associated Content) of a film Directed by Joseph Mealey & Michael Shoob based on the book. I include all their names so I won’t be like Ann Colter with the messy footnotes.
Bush’s body part sets the example:
Rove’s first big splash on the Texas political scene came when he worked for the 1986 gubernatorial campaign of William Clements, Jr. At one point during the campaign the polls were tied. In a fax Rove sent to the authors of the book, he disputes this point, claiming that if they do research, the public polls will show there was always a comfortable lead for Clements. The filmmakers do the suggested research and find a Gallup poll commissioned by four TV stations and The Houston Post had the candidates dead even at 46 percent.
Around that time, Rove claimed to have found an electronic bug hidden in his office. He implied that only Governor White’s staff would have had any use for bugging his office. The police and FBI investigated. The bug’s battery was so small that it needed to be changed every few hours and it hadn’t been in the device long before Rove found it. Near the election and with Clements in a sizeable lead, a Republican judge halted the investigation.
John Weaver was the co-chairman of the Clements campaign and would only agree to be interviewed as long as Rove’s name wasn’t mentioned. In regards to the bug incident, he stated, “I don’t think Mark White had anything to do with it.” That doesn’t leave too many other suspects.
A circumstancial pattern forms when other campaigns Rove has worked on are examined. Somehow, when Rove’s candidate needs a boost, an opponent is attacked with a whisper campaign; rumors and innuendos emerge that have nothing to do with the issues of a campaign, yet have a strong, visceral influence on voters.
This is a pale mimicry of the Rove method. We should recognize this by now.
what river Mommybrain? kayaks or canoes or rafts?
Mary for now @ 49
Do we think this is gonna backfire??? Do we see some karmic payback down the road? Mary, do you think maybe you want might to email that little tidbit to your favorite media outlets
OT but REALLY IMPORTANT I just had hypatia’s screen name and email info appear in the boxes where mine should have been.
potential OUTING problems. Are we under attack?
Just imagine how badly Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfeld, Kristol, the new-cons and the rest of the chicken hawks want Lieberman to win. Sorry guys. Ain’t gonna happen. Not tonight. This really is a symbolic election. Polls close in a bit under one hour in Conn.
squirrel hiller @
90
More like Joe Pong…
Anne,
The nationaljournalhotline speculates blue collar towns lean towards Lieberman and white collar affluent suburbs favor Lamont.
Sounds good for Lamont.
lhp at 106 — it’s not an attack issue that we can tell — we’re just getting enormous traffic today (as in 13,000 plus hits per hour or more). We’re optimizing as much as possible and trying to minimize hiccups.
Here’s the problem (and the answer) (from http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001301.php):
Lieberman’s internet consultant Dan Geary, who oversees Joe2006.com, says he’s still sure that their site suffered a “malicious attack.” But when pressed, he said that they weren’t sure that it was a “Denial of Service” attack, as he’d said earlier. He didn’t have any more information about the nature of the supposed attack. “I’ve spent 99% of my time speaking [to reporters] about the story,” he said.
So…since he is spending 99% of his time telling reporters that he doesn’t know what the problem is……..maybe the problem is that he is spending 99% of his time NOT LOOKING FOR THE PROBLEM AND NOT FIXING THE PROBLEM.
Lamont’s going to win. The issue is the margin.
Pachacutec @ 53
Pach,
I love you honey, but that is not funny. Don’t take the freakin’ bait!!!
Please moderate your own comment into oblivian along with this one.
Don’t let them make us make mistakes
We need to all start flooding emails to the different media outlets who are spewing this uncritical Lieberman bullshit about his website. If they get a metric shit-ton of email they will change their tune.
Well, Sam Seder is incredible today on Lamont. As grave as I’ve heard him… I wonder if the station carrying the show in CT has a decent signal.
This expert at MSNBC makes it sound like an absolute certainty that it was a hack. I’m sure he will be held accountable if that turns out to be false, just like all “analysts” on cable news networks.
Of course, if he is right it will be pretty disappointing that one of ours did something stupid.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14245779/
Subway Serenade @ 108
too funny!
i’m goin to clean the floor so i can roll on it some more.
I’ll be sticking with Tequila tonight, so I’ll call them Neds instead of shots!
This is actually as suspenseful as waiting for the results was 2 years ago. I love not having exit polls!
FWIW, Tweety seems to be saying:
[1] If Joezoe loses by less than five points, he’s running in the General.
[2] If Joezoe loses by more than ten points, he can’t run in the General.
Subway Serenade @ 108
Nah, Joe “Altair 8800″ Lieberman
You can flick his switches, and the lights turn on and off, but there just isn’t much thinking power there!
I’m with mayan upthread. What the Lieberman campaign has done has been disgusting.
THEY HAVE NO TECHNICAL PEOPLE ON STAFF, INCLUDING IT SECURITY.
But they KNOW it was Lamont’s campaign that DoS’d them?
Jeebus, any time now we’re going to have the Liebervolk on FUX News saying that Lamont backed up his Kiss truck in front of the opening to the Toobz….waaaaaahhhh!!!!
They don’t even have anybody on staff who knows the right end from the wrong end of the damned toobz!!!
This is one more graphic reason why Joe is unfit for office — grossly incompetent and living in the 1970’s. I hope all you CT folk have voted or realize you have less than 50 minutes to save the fate of this nation’s democracy.
Off to go watch the results coming in here in Michigan. Speaking of incompetent, somebody better send a telegram to the Granholm campaign to SNAP THE F*CK OUT OF IT because people are actually trying to split their ticket to vote AGAINST GRANHOLM. Another spectacularly pissy campaign going down in flames, and this time a decent candidate (far better than Joe-nertia) going with it. Ugh. I need a beer. Or three.
Go Ned!!! Go Nutmeggers!!!
CHS, I am thrilled to hear about your traffic!
Congratulations, well deserved.
Wow! That should be good news for Lamont as the higher the income level, and the higher the education level, the higher the percentage of votes for him.
If I recall correctly, Joe was polling the best with the elderly, less educated and lower incomes.
Squirrel hiller - the Green in Utah. First Ladore canyon then Desolation/Grey. Two rafts and 11-13 kayaks. We got kids going, we got our own doctor, too. We’ve been boating together for a long time now. We just got our Grand Canyon launch date, after 10 years on the wait list: June 22, 2011!!
ARe you a boater?
Virtually ZERO real work done today, and I have a book manu due. Please come soon 8:35 with the first results!!!
Holy cow. I thought I had a brilliant, insightful comment to offer everyone. Turns out my very thought was already posted in #11. Man - gotta get to these comment sections FAST if I want to make an original thought comment!clueless @ 111
HACK ATTACK
2 1/2 oz Absolut Citron
1/2 oz Cointreau
Splash Cranberry
Splash Lime
About $15 a pop!
ReddHedd at 110.
Strangely even though I changed my ID info, my post (the Suozzi story) came up as Hypatia’s.
Weird.
BTW I sent you an email about the election law aspects. It has my home phone cause I will be offline after I leave he office in 5 minutes. My laptop has to go to the computer hospital.
Tweety says he has it “from an unimpeachable source” that Lieberman will run as an independent when he loses tonight.
I’ll bet the farm his source is RGJ himself.
Hey Mommybrain –
I hope you and all the other Brain family members have one heck of a *terrific* time on vacation. Sounds like fun!
Even though the FDL withdrawal may be painful, the direct connection to nature should be very refreshing and nourishing for the soul.
Everybody –
I just knew that the Lieber types would be up to some sort of scummy skulduggery today…but I never would’ve predicted exactly THIS type of internet stupidity-as-political-philosophy. Guess that’s what happens in a state which ISN’T under the thumb of Diebold.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 114
From prior thread, thanks to wxyz:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-231422
*ilson.
For the record, I have no kibbles.
But I do have spellcheck!
Bargain Countertenor @ 104
I’ve got some PDQ around here somewhere - gotta dig it out. I thought your handle sounded familiar . . . ;)
bdu @ 119
Joe “timex sinclair 1000″ Lieberman?
lhp, mary (for now) two of my favorite folks evah on one thread (not to mention Christy!!!)
My head hurts from readin’ and writin’ all day — when can we start celebratin’? [by which I mean drinking]
Just because I’m too lazy to retype this all
EPU’d from TWO posts ago
Who is Phil Parlock?
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-231499
crickett @ 116
cricket,
People do stupid sh*t all the time, just because they’re people. But sensible people (i.e., professionals) don’t set up a political website without preparing for proper security. A DoS attack is more likely than not, so you have to be ready for it. As the election approaches, you’re hoping to have hits go through the roof. You have to be ready for it.
With 10M in the bank for his campaign, HoJo could afford a dedicated high-capacity server, or two. Maybe three. He (and his advisors) chose not to. Not my problem.
And by the way, I’m not under 40 and I know enough about this stuff to know that. No excuse for HoJoe’s folks.
BC
ccmask - re hack attack
I’ll have 2!
newtonusr @ 132
Thanks for the heads up on this, I just got back to the lake a few minutes ago. And thanks wxyz!
Imm
I think maybe a glass of wine is order tonight.
Good idea.
Stephen-
Joe as unimpeachable source?
Does that mean he’ll never be president? ‘cos then he’d be impeachable…
John Casper @ 120
But Tweety has also - repeatedly - said he’s got an “unimpeachable source” that says Joe has decided he’s going to run no matter what. Guess we’ll see, come 10PM ET or so . . .
Believe it or not, Wonkette gets an honorable mention on Crooks & Liars for covering this hacker hoax in a fairly accurate manner:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
Stephen @
129
while talking to another reporter, there was nodding and winking about the ’source’ being Lieberman his own bad self… Tweety didnt deny it …
What is with this “for now” stuff? Is that our own beloved Mary super researcher with the steel trap memory? Or do we have more marys all the sudden?
Too many threads. Can’t keep up. gasp.
twolf1 @ 136
Boy, we really are a bunch of geeks here at FDL, eh?
Mrs. K8, thanks, I’m so looking forward to floating quietly for a while - and the rapids, but mostly floating. Getting away from addiction (news, FDL, YouTube) is always good.
Last time I went on a long trip with these same people Waco happened the day before we took out. Talk about shattering serenity! Hoping this time’s better.
*ilson, I second lhp’s plea re: Pach’s BREAKING. Love you Pach but no more ammunition to them, pls.
mommybrain:
yes. i have a off white necky looksha sport with two carbon fiber paddles and a great big compass on the front of the boat. lots of river paddling and some bird watching lake things here in PA. binoculars are a must.
i always wear a skirt on the boat as a snack tray. kayaking is a real cheese and cracker sport.
your trip sounds heavenly!
Stephen @ 130
I’d bet good money that Bubba will stump hard for Ned if RGJoe pulls that crap. Anyone think Bubba goes to CT for a candidate who would subsequently bail on the party? Bubba and RGJoe had the talk.
Maxine Water’s coming up next
*ilson46201 @ 147
Funny, I had the sense that the “unimpeachable” was the joke in that line. Made me think of the Big Dog . . .
Pop the corks pals. Joe is just about historical.
Peterr @ 133
Actually, I was wondering if anyone would ever get it … and I finally got outed. LOL.
Good night, folks.
BC
BC,
Of course you are right. I should have said that it would be disappointing to me since it makes our side look bad. If it is a politically motivated hack, then what will resonate with people is that, not that they should have had better servers. But besides the political PR implications, I just believe in the people getting to choose without a bunch of shenanigans (as I’m sure you do).
crickett
Please send an email regarding the horrible coverage of the Lieberman website malfunction. Here’s some precedent to work from:
–
Please remove or modify your article that falsely suggests that there is any credibility to the claims by the Lieberman campaign that Ned Lamont or his supporters had any involvement in the recent malfunctions at the Lieberman campaign website.
All of the existing evidence suggests that the website failed not because of a “hacker” but rather because of the fact that Lieberman’s staff had utilized an inexpensive and inadequate website hosting service that lacked the capacity to deal with the increased traffic that occurred in the last few days leading up to the election.
The fact that your organization is publishing articles repeating the Lieberman campaign’s baseless allegation without checking the facts is wholly inconsistent with generally accepted journalistic principles.
I implore you to remove your article regarding the Lieberman website promptly or to correct the article to state only the facts and to avoid inadvertently becoming a mouthpiece for a political campaign on the day of an election.
I have also provided a link to a website that contains relevant information regarding the events involving the Lieberman website today and yesterday.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....53827/3493
Thank you for your consideration.
—
Here are the email addresses:
info@ap.orgletters@msnbc.com
letters@msnbc.com
viewerservices@msnbc.com
letters@nytimes.com
editorial@nytimes.com
nytnews@nytimes.com
executive-editor@nytimes.com
news-tips@nytimes.com
national@nytimes.com
washington@nytimes.com
Magi @ 151
What station?
OK Gang — here’s my breaking news. You know how we howled about Joe’s new party was to be called Connecticut For Lieberman and how somebody snatched up that web domain? Somebody politically astute (not me) said the party should be called ‘Lieberman for Connecticut’ — guess who owns that domain just now? (teehee) www.LiebermanForConnecticut.com
looseheadprop @ 148
Nothing gets by you, lhp - that’s her. Happened a couple hundred threads ago . . . or yesterday, IIRC.
Christy!
Gods, let this be a night of nights we shall remember always. And in a good way.
or…
Absolut Liar
1 full bottle Absolut Vodka (80 proof)
Drink too quickly
Crash
Blame someone else in the morning
I’m listening to Tweety in the background, and my impression is that he is not flogging the web site joefluffle story much this hour. Is that accurate?
He’s interviewing Maxine Waters NOW.
IN CT………^#63 MSNBC
Maxine Waters!!!Yeah!
Go Ned!
Even if Lieberman runs ‘independent’, he’s still quite beatable. Joe won’t get the indies, neither will the Republicans. Lamont will.
Found her on Tweety..nm. Off to dinner, bbl.
*ilson46201 @ 157
*ilson,
You missed your calling, and I don’t even know what you do in real.life. You should have been a political dirty-tricks operative…
But then, maybe you like to sleep sometimes.
BC
OK, now the votes are in the bag, (minus absentees)and early turnout information is beginning to come in:
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/
Who’s watching this in real time?
Waters on Hardball now — she’s great
Freaked-Out Canadian @ 163
Hysterical.
Forgive, please, if this has been covered. Not much time right now…
On Dobbs, Crowley was pulling in her horns quite a bit (a GOOD thing ;->). Far less annoying, presumably better educated(?) than yesterday. Still not THERE, but getting warmer. (e.g., the Lieb. website problem & fallout now referred to as “just a dust-up,” but also saying, “This has become a very acrid debate.”) Oh - And Crowley announced, as if she had been given firm marching orders (heh), that whatever happens now, Lieberman WILL be running in Nov. (she assured all that she had that on good authority … my thots: take it as an election-day bluff/wishful thinking by some Lieb. spokesperson.)
Dobbs himself forging ahead like !MASTER & COMMANDER! instead of, um.. [s’cuse the i-interruption sir - the news sir, just the real news is great - a little comment on the REAL news is just fine but, uh,…hello?]…
…give him a few days to, -erm, adjust, folks. He’s not too destructive of the universe if he just gits hisself pointed the right direction, & re-corrected, once in awhile….
Tweetie’s out there soakin’ it all up, panting like the hyperhuskydawg again. I’m gonna have questions of y’all over whose nose he shoved his mike under - PACH??? (s’cuse my futile search for the god of the new world).
gottago. STILL no hamburgers, *snarkers. leftover mostlyveggiestew is good. wish we could share. ;->
p.s., have not much idea if any of above makes much sense, but figured stream-of-consciousness input on personal video lurking counts for something in this crazy community. luv u guys
Keep it goin’ pups. Almost there, for this one!
Maxine is smiling alot.
Oh man, while interviewing Maxine, she said that Lieberman and Bush were tied at the hips to Iraq and then Matthews said “don’t you mean tied at the lips?”
Perfect.
I just diaried about this at Kos, but I am a customer of The Planet, where the servers in question physically live.
They offer 24/7/365 intrusion detection and response. All it takes to start the recovery process from an attack is a phone call, yet Lieberman’s site was down for eighteen hours. At the very least, someone didn’t take the downtime very seriously.
My experience with the Planet is that they would have had this ironed out within 30 minutes.
Richmond @
125
Tried to go to work today but had little motivation, and for some strange reason the humidity in the subway was far worse than the air upstairs. So I figured the Subway will still be there tomorrow and I came home to watch history…
Imman - when can we start drinkin’? [by which I mean celebrating] - I’d say now. !!!
I hate to say it for fear of jinxing, but dang the vibes here are good. Good good good.
lhp - I’ll send it to some, but I think it is spreading already. I also think that you have the “unring the bell” problem in that they’ve been saying it was all “Lamont hacking” so often, so long now that it seems to have become rapidonsetCW.
This month it’s been NM and more NM (with a side trip to NoCal). Monsoon season is here and the Rio Grande is rushing through the gorge. A week away from the news on the river washes every part of me clean. Visiting with the natives puts it all in perspective. We have to preserve this environment. We have to raise the standard of living for all Americans not just a few. We have to have universal health care and public financing of election campaigns. We have to end the wars and broker the peace. We have to win.
Go Ned. Go Patricia Madrid. Let’s draft Al!
My God this is insane! I’m gone a little over an hour and there are two new posts and 500 comments!
Screw it, I’m not catching up that much. But I will ask how the email to the lazy journalists is going. Are we seeing any change in the “Lamonts Evil Hacker Brigade” stories? Or are they just dropping the whole thing without corrections and playing like it never happened? Like usual?
Maxine Waters is on fire!
Caller from CT on Sam’s show. Said he was originally to vote for Lieberman but when Joe announced he would go independent if he lost the primary, hedging his bets, the voter realized Joe was more interested in Joe than in CT. Nice.
Peterr @ 151
ding ding ding
I am dying for someone to say that there’s only been one real hack in this race.
Freaked Out Canadian:
You just did. !!!
lest we forget — www.ConnecticutForLamont.com !!!
squirrel hiller @ 99
Tequila. Neat.
Jenny from the Blog @ 115
Heh. I have it bookmarked ; )
http://www.wavz.com/main.html
2 new posts & 500 comments!
A-N-D, the site’s perking along just fine now, tho horribly slow in the afternoon for us.
THANKS techie-whiz-kids & moderators & screeners/sorters/sifters/assortedsifters!
uh - GO NED!
Oh…and while I was away I caught a glance of Tweety…
Is he looking right? He just doesn’t look healthy to me.
Timewarp 80 - re Gore picking Lieberman - I always sorta thought and maybe read somewhere that Tipper was a big factor - she was horribly and excessively pissed at Bill for Monica scandal.
Tipper, go to your room.
Yeah, the site seems to be coming up much quicker now. I imagine everyone is finally leaving the office and on the road and such…
I say in about an hour or so it starts getting hammered big time again.
Peterr, yes, and I’m pretty sure that was a deal he worked out with Joezoe. Tweety wouldn’t run with it unless Joezoe said it. Joezoe negotiated back, that he would say it, but Tweety couldn’t attribute it to him. Tweety came back with the “unimpeachable source,” and Joezoe bought it.
If Clinton, Dodd, Biden and ALL the rest of the European American Democrats campaign for Ned, it isn’t going to matter much what Joezoe does. IMO, he’ll be splitting the neocon vote. Ned will appeal to a lot of Republicans (the one’s who still believe in honest government*) and Independents, but he won’t do well with neocons.
*In their debate, Ned didn’t take the bait wrt earmarks for CT. It was Joezoe, saying wink, wink, nudge, nudge, I can bring more pork home to CT then he can. That
K Street“pork” doesn’t play very well with the vast majority of Americans who still believe in honest government and don’t have any government contracts.OT, the results tonite have the real potential to rock the GOP’s world. IMO, they are “going to school off of Joezoe.”
A lot of Goopers will want to
offer up Rummy as a sacrificial lambcall for Rumsfeld’s resignation and demand date certain withdrawals from Iraq. I suspect a lot of them have wanted this for a long time, but have been holding their water until tonite’s CT results. Republicans do not want high turnouts in November, especially by African Americans and pissed of Independents and Democrats.Once Republicans start saying what Hillary already said, it may drive the Israeli/Hezbollah/Lebanon situation in a less disastrous direction.
An awful lot is riding on these results.
Cozumel -
Kos is coming up in a bit… it should be interesting hearing him debunk this *hacker* lie in two seconds flat. :)
8:30 it now is - per Connecticut Bob. Thanks all of you who are managing this site and others - but this is my favorite!
Freaked-Out Canadian @ 182
Freaked out!
Did you know you made TRex’s late-night post last night?
You are working in CT for Ned! Way to go!
We should have some results in about an hour!
KOS on COUNTDOWN tonight . . .
http://www.dailykos.com/
woot!!!!
Jenny from the Blog @ 191
You can stream AA on that link I posted. I bookmarked it about a year ago
John Casper - as much as it will rock the Repub party - it will rock the Dem group even more.
Stephen @176,
Oh that was the most fun I have ever had, rafting on the Rio Grande when I was a teenager. From Ottowi bridge to a bit north of ABQ I think. It was a long time ago…
*ilson you devil you
So how come my dialup at home now is ok speed and my T3 at work today was total concrete shoes?
Jenny from the Blog @ 179
The caller’s not alone!
“when can we start drinkin’? [by which I mean celebrating]
I agree.
I come from a long line of Germans who could say along with Jerry Lee Lewis, “what’s made Milwaukee famous, has made a loser out of me.”
Been following all day. Don’t think I can stand the suspense much longer. But it certainly looks good. GO NED!
Gotta go, REALLY, soup/stew only waits so long…
BUT, I have a duty, pant pant pant…
Everyone: STOP. Take a deep breath. Now another.
Oh, & it helps to close yer eyes & be sitting down, but if I told ya that too soon, ya woodn’ know what to do next, right?
Lil’ extra hint: Locate a paper bag for later hypervents.
yes, I’m round-the-bend positive vibe-ish about this CT thingie. I’m hoping & thinking Ned’s got it. Either way, tho, this movement is LAUNCHED! BIGTIME! Yahoo *blush*
-now, where DID I put that fan?….
neurophius @ 199
Only THE most incompetent campaign would allow *ilson (and others) such a coup. “Praise the Gods” (as Beard5 says) for their incompetence. This indy run is gonna have some old-timey metaphores like:
Shooting fish in a barrel
They don’t find false complaints remotely amusing.
I loves me some kickass unamused Redd prosecutor.
I wonder how Joe can craft a concession speech while at the same time contesting the senate race again as an independent. That would again be a hypocritic act.
“When can we start drinking?”
Uh…we were waiting for something?
Well ain’t that embarassin’.
Was anyone at the 5:00 or so Lie-berman event? What did he say exactly?
immanentize @ 207
What? And waste a perfectly good barrel? Out here in the wine country, that’s a hanging offense!
stop me before I buy again! DUMB FUCKS … I just bought 2 more valuable domains that’ll forward properly around 8pm or so …
www.CT4Joe.com
www.CT4Joe2006.com
Titanyum @ 206
Frankly, I don’t expect him to even acknowledge a loss. I really don’t. I expect him to get up their and talk all about how he’s going to win in Novemeber. A victory speech without a victory.
Just you wait…
bdu @ 120
How ’bout Joe “Flint & Rock” Lieberman?
lotus, teddy, dr bong - is it time?
Stop it already Ilson - put your creative energies to creating a celebration drink - something with nutmeg and hops perhaps!?
*ilson46201 @210
Ned Neutrality!
I haven’t heard anything from No MoJo Joe’s early “victory” “party” that was supposed to have started at 4 p.m. eastern. Don’t we have any eyes and ears there to let us know how the Lieberfolks are taking the impending disaster (for them)?
fresh thread
I’ve also been following all day and feel it looks good. Those of us who experienced extreme anguish over Bush’s decision to wage a pre-emptive war against Iraq should take some satisfaction tonight in seeing one of the leading apologists for that war get the boot. Thanks to Ted Lamont and all of you who had a role in making this night possible.
*ilson is our *izard
*ilson is gonna get rich!!!
*ilson46201 @ 211
Titanyum @ 207
I hadn’t thought about Joe’s concession speech. Whatever he says, though, the translation from politicalese to English will be basically “fk you” if he decides to keep running on as the POO Party candidate.
Zergle, I agree. After all, Joe’s a Bush Republican. i.e., doesn’t do reality.
Sharkbabe @ 202
It has nothing to do with the bandwidth you have available. There’s been a lot of traffic to FDL today, and they’ve been working behind the curtains to make things go faster.
JohnC - I come from a much shorter line of originally from WestVirginians - some of whom had illegal stills in the mountains.
GO MAXINE! She has just been a rock!
As for Matthew’s source - I guess we have to rule out GWB, unless Matthews wants to reconsider his prefix.
*CHEERS*
The only toast around here or America is LieberLiar.
JOE: Just leave the $15 bucks on the Repub’s dresser and get home to your wife, ‘kay?
HopeSprings, if you’re here
I don’t know if this is true but, in light of what you said last night about bad news …
US Israel Selecting Targets for Cruise Missile First-Strike Attack
Tell Dr. Turtle to be careful
OK, I admit it…I can’t stand the waiting anymore. I’m going to go work out in the pool for an hour.
Will get back here for the communal nail-biting session right after.
p.s. — you would think that the folks responsible for the closed captioning on MSNBC would know how to spell “Lieberman” by now. But, no! (They spell it “Leiberman.”) No wonder they can’t understand computer matters on Tweety’s staff. They can’t even spell the candidate’s name right!
“Frankly, I don’t expect him to even acknowledge a loss. I really don’t. I expect him to get up their and talk all about how he’s going to win in Novemeber. A victory speech without a victory.”
If you’re right, that would just be another huge “go Dick Cheney yourself,” to the CT Democratic party which just footed the bill for the whole damn primary.
My guess is Joezoe has three versions of his concession speech. One for losing by less than five points, one for losing by between five and ten, and one for losing by more than ten.
*ilson46201 @
211
Don’t forget connecticutforlieberman.org and connecticutforlieberman.net.
Mrs. K8 @ 4:52 pm (#228) - Maybe it’s subliminal. In German, “ie” is pronounced “ee”, and “ei” is pronounced like a long “i” (”aye”). So you’d pronounce “Leiberman” “lie-ber-man”.
and don’t forget…
iamanentitledwhinyweaselwhowantsitbothways.com
aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! I need to rant: i just got back from my ‘daily’ run/walk (can you tell it’s not really daily, and it’s definitely difficult to classify??)… anyway, I was listening to a local sports radio network here in the minneapolis area, and i don’t think my blood pressure has ever been higher. they actually quoted the lanny davis wsj piece as if he was not only reliable, but the THE source for information regarding this race. they were up in arms about the terrible treatment of lieberman by the horrible far-left blogosphere!! i was seriously yelling out loud as i’m walking/running - i’m surprised people that saw me didn’t call the police. i’m too chicken to call the show, so i thought i’d vent here and save my poor heart. ugh.
that’s it polls closed
Countdown
how much more one-handed food can i eat today? this blogging is messing with my diet. maybe someone should market gourmet blog meals that can be eaten with the left hand.
Tweety, on Countdown, says “most people would say Lieberman will lose by five or seven percent”
Wait a minute, I think he said most people will say that LAMONT will win by 5 or 7…
Maybe Tweety knows something we don’t know - poll results!?
OK, I think I just said the same thing two different ways. I’m too excited.
Markos up now on Countdown
Markos is laying out the technical aspect of the web site joefluffle very clearly.
For people interested in the power of the Blogosphere, check out this link here about Technorati blog statistics and analysis, including how we rate against the MSM. Short blurb: Blogosphere is doubling in size every 200 days at this point, and while the MSM still holds the “top spots”, we’re catching up.
Go Blogosphere!
Markos is also making the point that it just shows the incompetence of the Lieberman campaign.
Markos: “I don’t think it matters whether Lamont wins or loses” in terms of making people take the blogosphere seriously.
new thread!
1% reporting 57%-43% for Lamont - per Connecticut Bob
60%to40% Lamont
4% of vote in still 60-40% Lamont -GO NED!
gotta say, whether or not this was a hack or just the rank incompetence it appears, Joe’s people did an amazing job spinning it. In terms of political imaging, it’s brilliant. The website hack story provides a fully detailed miniature of how Joe has talked about the race to this point: the radicals from computerland went over the line and prevented Joe from talking about the issues with voters. Then they used their superior connections with big media types to get their version out - a version that for bare credibility relies on near complete ignorance of what a website “hack” actually entails. And assuming that he doesn’t go down in a total rout, it gives Joe a readymade victim-position going into an indy run. Talk about lemons to lemonaide.