
Is that so hard? Reaching across the campaigns for a little mutual respect and snow cones among Democrats? Guess not. So much for that whole "angry Lamont supporters" malarky — in the heat of the campaign, a snow cone across the candidate lines is an awfully nice gesture. I just loved this picture, and wanted to share it with everyone this morning.
And at the end of the day, wouldn’t it be nice to feel like everyone would pull together behind whomever wins the Democratic party primary…instead of continuing this nastiness and escalating bickering and such at the expense of the entire Democratic party ticket in the state of Connecticut — and the risk that it poses to down-ticket races and the potential that Dems have to re-take the House?
Ned Lamont has already pledged to support the winner of the Democratic primary. Where’s Joe Lieberman on that pledge?
Dan Balz has an intriguing article up in today’s WaPo, that contains some very interesting nuggets for our consideration. Very, very interesting nuggets:
Although there are reasons beyond Lieberman’s strong support for the war and what critics say is his accommodating stance toward Bush that have put him in trouble, the results will be read largely through the prism of what they say about Iraq and Bush’s popularity.
Should Lieberman lose, the full ramifications are far from certain. One may be to signal immediate problems for Bush and the Republicans in November, but another could be to push Democrats into a more partisan, antiwar posture, a prospect that is already adding powerful new fuel to a four-year-long intraparty debate over Iraq.
Strategists say the Connecticut race has rattled the Democratic establishment, which is virtually united behind the three-term incumbent’s candidacy, and will force an uneasy accommodation with the newest, volatile power center within the party. (emphasis mine)
Yes, we like to call ourselves "Democratic voters." Remember us? We live outside the Beltway, don’t spend all our time going to cocktail parties thrown by lobbyists and big campaign donors, and worry about such mundane things as making our rent, paying our rising energy bills, keeping our kids alive until they fulfill their military service obligation, and praying that our children don’t grow up in a world worse than the one in which we were raised. At the moment, we aren’t all that happy with how things are going.
You can call us "the American people" if that makes it easier for you.
Balz spends quite a bit of ink trying to raise the spectre of an Al Gore run for the White House (which is, apparently, a scary thought to the DC Establishment, according to Balz’ implications on the matter). But it is this statement from Rahm Emmanuel that leapt out at me:
Rep. Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said Friday he is not worried about the fallout from the Senate primary on House races, arguing that the message from Connecticut is that anyone supporting Bush’s war policies is in deep trouble. "What’s playing out here is that being a rubber stamp for George Bush is politically dangerous to life-threatening," he said. (emphasis mine)
So, is Rahm saying that Joe Lieberman has been a rubber stamp for George Bush, and that he is now justifiably paying the price for that with Democrats in Connecticut? Or is this a preview of how the Democratic hierarchy is going to characterize Lieberman if and when he loses the Democratic primary — a sort of warning shot across the bow of Connecticut for Lieberman’s leaky life raft?
And let me just say for the record that it is awfully nice to see Rahm coming around to Jane’s point from July 5th, if that is, indeed, what he intended. (I’d say it’s about damn time, but I’m making an effort to be gracious. Ooops….)
Atrios hit this as well this morning, and is asking the same thing. Intentional slam or accidental? What do you think?
Whether he intended it or not, though, Rahm is correct: being a rubber stamp for George Bush when you are a Senator from Connecticut is asking for trouble. Digby, as always, has some exceptional analysis on this very issue:
All Lieberman had to do in the early going was ignore the sniping, distance himself that schmuck in the white house and it would have been very difficult for Lamont to get enough traction to get this far. Perhaps it would have happened anyway, but I have my doubts. In fact I sincerely believed when this whole thing began to bubble to the surface that the point of this challenge was to get Joe to distance himselof from that schmuck in the white house and keep him on the reservation. I never dreamed he’d be so stubborn about something so obvious.
And now to find out that he had originally been critical and then changed his mind (because of what is speculated to be petulance about his treatment in the 2004 presidential campaign) is stunning to me. I’m actually beginning to wonder if deep down Joe wanted out anyway. (Or perhaps he really does want Rumsfeld’s job.)
Ouch…and yet, with that ring of truth to it.
UPDATE: C&L has pulled the portion of the Lieberman interview on This Week, wherein Joe Lieberman says that Iraq is getting better…and worse. (Talk about your have some cake and eat it too moments. Sheesh.)
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NED!
Gazpacho!
For those who can’t make it to CT for the primary…look here:
Everyone everywhere can ‘vote’ TWICE!
http://nedlamont.com/blog/667/…..sphere-day
GO NED GO!
It’s the LieberYouth and lobbyists that are the angry ones in this campaign. And yet the corporate media dutifully push the conventional wisdom (aka talking points) that Lamont supporters are angry insurgents.
As for Rahm’s comments, I think this is a signal that Lieberman will get just about zero support for his kiss-my-ring run from his pals in the corridors of power. What use is Lieberman to them once he loses the primary? When your friendships are based on what favors you can do, it’s hard to find your friends when you can’t deliver.
ned!
(and preserve us from the potions of sprites gone awry…)
pixie at 2 — not even remotely funny to this former prosecutor….
The Leiberkids can afford 100 snowcones, they’re getting paid for their time.
The Lamont kid is doing it for the love of it.
Sounds like Rahm is finally paying attention to the people of CT. He’s distancing himself from Joe.
It’s odd he used the phrase “rubber stamp” since that caught on with the house members and used it a lot during their time on CSpan (with a little help from us here at FDL.) It’s a direct slam at the GOP, but Rahm’s using it when talking about Lieberman. OUCH!
I wonder what the latest polls say. It can’t be good for Joe.
Lieberman campaign says Lamont ads have taken a toll
NORWICH, Conn. –U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman’s campaign manager on Sunday said challenger Ned Lamont’s ads have “taken their toll” on the campaign, but he vowed a fight in the final two days of the campaign to overcome what he called negative messages.
http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..en_a_toll/
TheOtherWA @ 8
I don’t care what polls say until the one taken Tuesday.
Yes, but Balz also made Lamont out as basically a one issue candidate and gave space to the “still living through ‘68″ position of Will Marshall. Cannot be antiwar, the public will think we are weak! Evidently he doesn’t read polls or listen to all the many moderate conservatives who are now openly revolting against this foreign policy and are in fact parroting antiwar arguments form 3 years ago. What nonesense. I keep thinking of Jack Nicholson’s Joker character from the first Batman by Tim Burton: “This town needs and enema!” Washington that is.
LAMONT SURGE!!
Will be mid 16 hours of travel on the big day, but sure will be thinking about all the Ned and fdl folk. This is gonna be goood.
Don’t you know they’re talking about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
Don’t you know they’re talking about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
While they’re standing in the welfare lines
Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
Wasting time in unemployment lines
Sitting around waiting for a promotion
Don’t you know you’re talking about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
Poor people are gonna rise up
And get their share
Poor people are gonna rise up
And take what’s theirs
Don’t you know you better run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run
Oh I said you better run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run
Finally the tables are starting to turn
Talking about a revolution
Finally the tables are starting to turn
Talking about a revolution oh no
Talking about a revolution oh no
While they’re standing in the welfare lines
Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
Wasting time in unemployment lines
Sitting around waiting for a promotion
Don’t you know you’re talking about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
And finally the tables are starting to turn
Talking about a revolution
Finally the tables are starting to turn
Talking about a revolution oh no
Talking about a revolution oh no
Talking about a revolution oh no
– Tracy Chapman
I suspect that the folks in the photo, no matter what campaign, are really hoping for a revolution, too.
Awright, can’t believe I’m the 1st to say it:
That picture is WAY COOL! ;->
BTW Christy – if you ever want a housepainter who doesn’t need instruction or monitoring, does meticulous work, leaves the place cleaner than she found it, and always shows up to work… give me a buzz on the shoephone. Interiors are my specialty.
Oh, and I’ve also been known to do the petsitting (but no reptiles, please).
If Rham is saying this…the new internal polls MUST be saying Ned is surging…otherwise Rham big nose in the wind wouldn’t be sticking that big nose out and making that DEFINATE shot across LieberLIARS bow…..
Hmmmmm
Interesting about the anit-war frame. Since the baby boomers are getting ready to retire, the anit-war is directed squarely at them, invoking dope smoking hippies and Woodstock. Sorry, I was 2 in 1969 and I have never smoked dope. But let’s not confuse them with facts, shall we?
Wow. When I went to sleep last night, I never imagined that I would wake up as part of a “volatile new power center.” What a concept.
Sounds like Rahm and Hillary have been pow-wowing this week.
Dale in Alabama @ 18
It always cracks me up to read what a nutjob I am. Truth is I’m pretty much the most boring bourgeois you can imagine.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 11
I agree, only Tuesday matters. However, I was wondering what motivated Rahm to say that. What does he know that we don’t? That’s all I meant.
Something I have not heard anyone say directly, forgive me Jane et al. if you have and I misssed it, is that if Lamont unseats Lieberman in the primary that will energize people around the country for November: if a guy without national elected experience can unseat an entrenched, nationally recognized, Democratic Senator who stands by the President, that says vulnerable Republicans better starting watching their back a whole lot more.
Do you know how much this will excite Dems and the growing ranks of ex-Republicans around the country who want a change? A Lamont win says people can take back the Congress, the privileges of incumbency and establishment protection are not invulnerable.
Contrary to the Will Marshall nincompoops who claim to understand politics, a Lamont win will radically energize the Democratic base (who just so happen to hold the majority position on ALL the major issues of the day from the war, to abortion, to church and state, to the environment, etc.). A Lamont win is the first wave of a storm surge.
Dale in Alabama — oh, it wasn’t you that woke up. It was the media that finally snapped out of its torpor and realized the power center has been crunching away at the crispy, frail edges for some time.
It started in 2003-2004 and they’re just clueing in.
“the power center has been crunching away at the crispy, frail edges for some time…”
Great image, Rayne. I’m going to keep it in mind as we keep crunching away in the months (and years) to come.
I find it interesting that The Gingrinch Who Ate Christmas used the word “insurgent” in describing the CT race.
We’vc become insurgents now.
Wasn’t it Dick Cheney who said, “If this be Treason, let us make the most of it?”
Goper’s Lament
as patriotic Americans, we are going to have to do our part and cut down on so many comments in these threads. NSA is literally overloading their electrical supply circuits and have had to postpone implementation of 2 new supercomputers. All this chitchat requires watts at NSA so maybe we should help them conserve electricity?
As much I may dislike myself later for this, if Lieberman wins against Lamont, I’ll support the decision. Though a Lamont win, I am convinced, is crucial for the direction, and quite possibly this county’s survival, and perhaps the world’s too.
Not to put a damper on anything (great post Christy) but just a reminder (if you already knew) that if the race is REALLY close (within 700 votes) we may not know the outcome until August 25th when all the overseas military votes have been counted.
Election to be held open for military votes
Keeping my fingers crossed that Lamont wins it handily from the get-go.
“And at the end of the day, wouldn’t it be nice to feel like everyone would pull together behind whomever wins the Democratic party primary…instead of continuing this nastiness and escalating bickering and such at the expense of the entire Democratic party ticket in the state of Connecticut — etc”
It would be nice – IF campaigns and politics were about doing whats best for the country and the people in the country. Politics stopped being about that a long time ago – which is why races are so tainted and filled with lying and voter purges and other nasty tricks. It’s all about power. Getting it and keeping it – the people be damned. Power concedes NOTHING. Until people across this country get fed up enough to stop rooting for a ‘team’ and start rooting for ordinary Americans and the ideals this country once stood for and aspired to – until people understand that the Rush Limbaugh’s, O’Reilly’s and Coulters of the world are not about uplifting average American’s but about keeping the kind of people in power who line their pockets — well then, niceness will have nothing to do with elections.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
How can we support a pro-Rebublican?
Some Guy says:
I think that’s right on the money. The status quo elitists in both parties recoil at the netroots – and all the grassroots – because we are people powered. They still don’t get the “representative” part of representative democracy.
Christy.
Balz’s “volatile” is just wrong, isn’t it?
Can’t you educate that fella s’more?
What’s the word I’m lookin’ for???
Wonderful, spot-on post as usual. Through the toobs, I’d swear I can hear all the asst lurkers munching your dollops of wisdom. Keep dishin’ ‘em out!
Subway Serenade at 25 — It’s all part of the Newt Gingrich “I wanna be your politician version 2.0″ framing. If Democrats get to be insurgents, then Newt is the Daddy party figurehead in his mind. It’s a sharp framing attempt on his part — goes along with the Rove “all liberals wanted to give Osama therapy” malarky that the kool-aid set lapped up. But it is false. He knows it. We know it.
And fewer and fewer people are buying the Faux News propaganda these days. Newt knows that as well, I’m sure, so why the base pandering? They are afeared that reality could continue to gain traction if Ned Lamont (and a host of other progressive candidates) do well. What truly scares the Republican establishment is that the Democratic party would offer the American people a real choice in November — and that the public would take them up on that choice for change.
*ilson46201 @ 26
Then I would counsel my friends at the NSA to explore solar and wind energy alternatives for powering the machines they use to monitor us. I’ve been dealing with port scan attacks for 6 weeks now from them and they won’t let up. Fortunately for me I have a solid firewall no one can break the 128 bit key I use to encrypt with.
Oh no! I was just settling in for This Week with George S. when the local ABC feed was switched to golfZzzz
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
I suppose Boxer et al will have a powerful public cudgel to hold over JoMo, but I don’t see him as learning a lesson from a near miss–the broader party maybe, no JoMo. He’ll be back on Hannity the day after the general.
suspect some Consultant fat cat pulled his head out his ass long enough to see the pitchforks and torches – and in typical gravy train savin’ fashion – has informed Rahm & Chuckie to go in this direction – with visions of sucking up even more of their cash in dealing with us Barbarians at the Gate more directly
if Lieberman wins the Democratic Primary, I too shall support him with a hearty “Go ye forth and stomp GOP candidate Schlesinger’s ass!” I doubt if I will send him any cash …
Christy, I posted this last night but it’s much more relevant here:
This is what Stirling has to say:
“If Lexington-Concord was “the shot heard round the world” – the moment where a festering series of local rebellions became a Rebellion – then the Lamont campaigners on the ground and on the Internet are among the minutemen and Committees of Correspondence of this next American Revolution.”
http://www.axisoflogic.com/art…..2690.shtml
Where’s my horse? where’s my tricorn?
From the WaPo article:
“Lieberman is paying a price for being an advocate of bipartisanship.”
*************************************
Wrong!
Lieberman is paying a price for having become a republican.
Some Guy at 10:28
Good points! Do you suppose that’s why we’re all hyperventilating here in the toobes?
…my fan … darn, where d’ya suppose I left that thing … hm-m-m … *g*
lol mommybrain at 39 — “The people are coming. The people are coming.” Mwahahaha…welcome to the new reality. The American public is not going to just sit back and take what they get any longer.
I CANNOT support LieberLIAR in ANY way …..no worry he will lose the primary…But ANYONE who uses Rovian tactics of lies and distrotions…gets NOTHING from me…I don’t care….anyway to be hones all those Dino’s are distructive to the Dems…High on the list landrieu and my own senator from Florida Nelson….
The timing of the CT primary is very fortuitous as well. It sits about the time national conventions are held on presidential years, a few weeks before the fall campaigns kick into high gear. That allows campaigns around the county looking to ramp up GOTV and pull in volunteers could possibly have Lamont’ campaign to point to: “look, they did it, we can too.” Had this been June primary, like many states, the impact could be diminished by a lot of events, still could, but is is less likely.
All in all, if Lamont wins, the timing of the primary is itself a real advantage to progressive candidates looking for motivational source material.
someguy @ 10:28
The myth of the “invulnerable incumbents” is another one of those MSM/Beltway creations, like the “missing white women” of Rita Cosby, and the “war on terror”. It’s pretty obvious why the politicians who ARE incumbents would want to keep the myth alive. I’ve never understood why ordinary folks who aren’t beholden to the cocktail weenie elite would do so.
NONE of these politicans are invulnerable. We can remove them ALL.
Actually according to our Dem party meetings here in Ft Lauderdale, we have put Nelsons office on notice that we want a primary challenger in his next bid for reelection…..we are working on it already!
One of my great History Professors (Dr Simon, English History and Constitutional Government) said that Revolutions often sweep away the Revolutionaries that start them.
I think Newt Gingrich honestly senses the tremors that predict the coming Revolution in American Politics, and he is positioning himself to be the GOP Bolshevik/Lenin to those radical dirty hippie crazy Democrat Menshevik/Kerensky’s.
Beth @ 29
Very eloquently said, Beth. That puts into one paragraph what our “movement” is all about, and what our best hopes are for the future. Onward!
ck.@47..I liked that LMAO
IMO, the use of the word insurgents is pretty telling. I wonder if Newt thinks moving Iraqi troops into CT would be his solution to handling the CT insurgency? Might it be that surrounding states would be miffed to see foreign troops coming in to make Americans act in accordance with Iraqi goals? Then maybe he can explain why US troops are the key to quelling the Iraqi “insurgency.”
People are letting them skate by constantly on failing to truly dig in and define what “war” they think they are fighting with American troops and how they view a militarily achievable mission in the morass. NOT ONE of Rumsfeld, Pace, Abizaid – had any answer for what the mission, or rules of engagement, are supposed to be in a civil war. Call it an insurgency instead, going through the Riceian “birth pangs” and you still have the same issue – just smaller in scale.
Feet to the fire time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
*ilson – that article is a bit mind boggling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mommybrain – got it – thank you. *g*
Just for the record, Bush would only offer the SoD job to Lierberman if he were going othave the opportunity to flip the Senate seat from Dem to Rep (via the appointment power of the Republican governor of Connecticut).
If Joe loses he ain’t going to be Secretary of anything.
ck – I think of Gingrich as more “radical” and “dirty” than just about anyone who’s served in Congress.
Lest it be forgotten — Newt himself proclaimed himself the Leader of the Republican Revolution of 1994 — within a few years the GOP itself swept him aside.
jhe @ 51
Good point. That particular idiot is only useful as long as he’s a Democrat [sic] Senator. but Tweety and hannity will be happy to have him on as “former Democrat [sic] Senator Joe Lieberman, who’s here to explain to us why his former party hates America”
-ck- — yes, your prof was right…but we are seeing the end of the revolution that Gingrich brought about with the 1994. He’s scrabbling not to be purged with what remains of his revolution.
d’oh!
silly me
and to think when i’ve been fiddling with the oven i blamed the thermostat…
i’ll never understand baking…
how do i adjust the mixers for random vortices…?
thanks to the WaPo for the kitchen hint – what would i do without them?
(newsprint dissolves in the cooler, so ixnay on fish wrap.)
Beth @ 29
And let’s add one more bit of history here. We’re talking about a guy who ran in the NH Primary in 2004, finished 5th, with only 9% of the vote, beating only Kucinich and Sharpton and STILL didn’t drop out until he got trashed on Super Tuesday. I hate to say it, but as a betting man, I gotta say he’s staying in til the bitter end.
sandlin…10:35am
Good question. I cannot answer it. But speaking for myself only, if I ask Lieberman and his people to support Lamont if he wins, then it seems I would want to extend the same offer to them. As I said, I may come to regret this decision. I don’t know if I’m right or wrong on this. I suppose it’s what’s called a judgment-call.
Jim @
54
Excellent point: it is well past the time when bringing Lieberman into his cabinet would do Bush any political good. Such a transparent move is simply not going to calm down a public increasingly pissed off about our foreign policy, global warming, and creeping theocratic authoritarianism.
OT — for any of my legal friends out there…IANAL, would like a high-level overview of Yick Wo v. Hopkins if you have time. Would like to know if there has been any case law since then that has invalidated or reshaped the findings. Tripped on this case while going walkabout on the toobz, thought it might have some important implications re: Gitmo, Hamdan, etc.
Good observation from Atrios:
“The scariest thing about the campaign is just how inept Lieberman’s campaign has been. I have to hope that this is the fault of the senator and not the people he pays a lot of money to do this stuff, because if Washington’s crack team of consultants are this idiotic we’re in more trouble than I imagined.”
The modern Republicans are true “Bolsheviks” — for those who don’t know the story, here it is:
While the Russian exiles in Switzerland were organizing, Lenin’s faction was repeatedly voted down. In response, Lenin staged a walkout. When the others asked him to stay, he agreed, with one condition — his faction would be called Bolsheviks, and the others would be Mensheviks.
Bolshevik is Russian for “Majority Party” — Menshevik means “Minority Party.”
The Gingrich/DeLay/Rove/Bush Republican Party are true Bolsheviks, in that they have co-opted the Majoritarian Political Narrative, while they are a Radical Reactionary Political Minority.
Never underestimate the power of Language . . .
OK Kiddo-
I agree. There isn’t any wiggle room left for us (Dems). We either win or we lose. Holding one’s nose and voting for the incumbent is the best option left in a lot of states.
dratty,
he only received 5% of the vote in Conn. Primary – extremely low for a homeboy
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20…..states/CT/
I just have this image of the guys like Sean Smith and Goodstein and their boy Lieberman looking out the window of that bus at the people of Conn. (or any other part of tht country) saying to each other: “What are these voters they spak of?!” in horrified voices.
Actually, you could say that about a lot of Dems. and their consultants, who seem to just serve lobbyists
Mommybrain @ 39
Committees of Pixelspondence?
Eric at 65 — and what about official Lieberman campaign fliers that hint at alleged racism of their opponant only being passed out at African-American church parking lots? You want to cast stones, make certain that the candidate that you back isn’t living in a glass house, my friend.
For the record, I back Ned Lamont.
Some Guy @ 22
From your mouth to God’s ears!
Cynic that I am, what you said is the hope stirring in my heart!
At this point there have to be establishment Democrats who are starting to wish that Lamont wins. Lieberman is damaged goods. This campaign has revealed him to be such a small, pathetic man that his return to the Senate would be tragic, and not in the best interests of the party.
ummm … Christy … ummm … Eric doesnt live here anymore
Jim @ 54
think Zell without as many of the long term effects of syphillis
Rayne –
Newt was swept aside by his Revolution in 1996. That revolution is now in it’s corrupt last gasp implosion mode, and Newt is trying to position himself to pick up the pieces.
It could be said that Howard Dean was swept aside by the Revolution he started in 2003; but that was more a case of Howard being unprepared to make the transition from Revolutionary to Establishment Standard Bearer. Same principle, slightly different modality.
Howard Dean has matured, and found the perfect venue to build the Revolutionary Infrastructure to Take Back Our Country.
We Are the Revolution . . .
Jane made a mistake. I did not like that image either, DarkBlack’s explanation did not move me. Nonetheless, she owned up to it and apologized, Eric @ 65, unlike Lierbman’s campaign which has, as Christy points out, race baited in a systematic, intentional way, and which has hired paid goons to go around intimidating people at Ned rallies.
Jane made a bad decision while posting one of a kajillion posts on this race. She then did the adult thing and apologized and retracted her poorly made choice. Lieberman’s campaign has made calculated, cynical attempts to play with race issues and has paid for physical intimidation. I doubt his campaign will be asking for forgiveness.
Sno Cones across the great divide, I love it!
Now as the 06 races heat up we should find some similar gesture to offer all the Lamenting Gopers.
*ilson — I really appreciate you looking after Jane and I, but really, I don’t mind a little disagreement on the issues. In fact, I think that’s healthy. :)
Rayne & ck,
so when does Rove’s pasty ass get parked in the Bastille ?
*ilson –
how does the edit function thingy work?
Oh — a reminder to everyone: this afternoon, at 5:00 pm ET/2:00 pm PT, we have the continuation of our chat on David Neiwart’s “Strawberry Days.” Great book, and a great discussion last week. David will be joining us to chat today, and I’d love it if everyone could stop by and say hello. :)
Anyone not worth a millyun bux is lower than dirt to these guys.
The middle class has been thrown away and is expected to pick up the tab, and we’re back to the Billionaires versus the rest of the world like it was before FDR and the depression.
Money-minded Rethugthink sure stinks.
No Bastille for Rove’s pasty white ass — a trundle cart to the Place de la Revolution for him!!!
I never said there wasn’t crap on the other side. But the truth is, there were two events this week that put Ned Lamont in an awkward position which didn’t have to occur. One was the photo. The other was the Wal-Mart stock revelation…which wouldn’t have been an issue if there wasn’t such a stink being made about a lousy $1,000 check from Wal-Mart.
But I’m impressed that you let my comment through ilson, I give you credit for that.
you have a five minute period to edit your already posted comment. Hit the Edit link and your comment will reappear in your commenting box. Fix up your fuckup or expound on your exegesis and then resubmit. Easy!
Noted Eric. However, and this is where I think bloggers need to watch and learn from this moment, that Jane’s indiscretion has become a required narrative point in the story of this campaign but that her apology has not (it evidently does not matter), and that Joe’s questionable and thoroughly distasteful and never-to-be-apologized fo tactics have recieved almost no coverage.
Images are very powerful and unpaid supporters whose blogs are part of activist mobilization need to note that the degrees of freedom in posting are fewer in cases like this. That is how it is. If cursing seems to warrant articles on lefty blog rage, in-your-face images that are easily turned against you are certainly going to be taken advantage of.
I fully expect the Lieberman blackface image to become a narrative must for political journalists looking on this race, and it may overshadow the patheticness and unpleasantness of the Lieberman campaign. Just another trumped up reason to be scared of bloggers and their impact on the political process.
Mary@50 – de rien.
Eric — you forgot about Holy Joe’s campaign hitting Ned for the Halliburton stock when Joe himself owned such an evil and tainted holding…
edit test — successful in firefox!
*ilson & Jamie –
the edit function isn’t working for me, in IE-6 — it works fine in Firefox, though.
hmmm . . .
The striking thing about Balz’ characterization of Democratic voters as another “power base” and Digby’s analysis of the race is how we all seem to think that, until recently, Lieberman’s reelection was so inevitable. Is it good for democracy when this is true? When someone does such a bad job of representing his state’s and his country’s interests, you’d think that in a sane world he would have been in trouble anyway.
Maybe Digby’s conclusions aren’t true, but they sound right. We’ve seen so many incumbents coming back to further loot the treasury or shill for their pet special interests that it’s hard to escape that conclusion. There is something seriously broken with our democracy if we can’t get rid of such folks.
Subway Serenade @
75
I’ve not said anything until now but you have got to chill on the tune pimping, man. We all know the song, there are no more listeners to be found by posting that link in every thread every day here. Please chill, stay for some commenting, but quit pimping the link. Occasional blogwhoring/song pimping here is acceptable, constantly doing so is no good.
There’s nothing accidental about Rahm’s comments. He’s the guy in the dark parking lot wielding a crowbar; even mild mannered congress critters look to him to be the menacing pit bull.
There’s a lot of changes on the Dem side since Big Dog went to CT. Remember Rahm was Bill’s guy. I think Bill discovered the War-is-Good dems were gonna be toast.
Everyone remember there’s the Moveon.org virtual phone bank for Ned. Use up your weekend free cell phone minutes for a good cause.
You don’t have to persuade me that there’s ineptitude on the other side. I’m just saying there’s lessons to be learned here.
(And thanks for not calling me a LieberTroll this time…appreciate that.)
Bastille…Lexington?
Let’s play till the clock reads 0:00. So we make sure it’s not the Boston Massacre.
Moveon phonebank sign-up.
Eric, I’ve never called you a LieberTroll, but I understand what you mean. And I we agree pretty much; if blogs are going to get involved with campaigns this closely, in a way it might be good Jane put that image up, even if it becomes an overused cliche about blogs, because it will teach folks to be savvier and it does not look like it is making a noticable impact on the race. After the Swift Boat Vets and Kerry’s “wait it out” reaction, I am always afraid that anything however trumped up can derail political momentum.
There’s absolutely no comparison between the actions of the official Lieberman campaign — including disrupting Lamont events, battering the press, and carrying LieberYouth about in vans to accomplish same — and the actions of unpaid, overzealous, out-of-state supporters of Ned Lamont.
Those who, “for the record… support Ned Lamont” cannot see the difference between Lieberman’s official thuggish campaigning, based on Rover’s College/Young GOP intimidation, and silly blogger errors (for which the blogger apologized and from which the campaign distanced itself). Maybe the Democratic party is being driven by a new “volatile” power base (Connecticut voters?), but at least we aren’t importing Roverians into the Democratic primary process, something for which I will never forgive RGJoe. If RGJoe wins on 8/8, he can win in November with the support of his “new” friends, the GOP and lobbyists.
My level of enthusiasm will certainly be contained.
GO NED!
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Had Enough, Connecticut?
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Edit function does not work for me either in IE.
eric at 92 — there are always lessons to be learned in political campaigns, and there will always be mistakes, missteps and the like as well as people trying to mischaracterize and spin. Politicians and their supporters are humans, after all. But the one thing that none of us can lose sight of right now is the fact that the race is far from over, and from now until Tuesday it must be (in the immortal words of TRex): attack, attack, ATTTTAAAAACKKKKK! Navel gazing and what have you is for after the election, not before. Just my two cents…
The events of 9 Thermidor — when the tyrant Robespierre was swept aside by the French Revolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermidorian_Reaction
everybody who owns an SP 500 index fund or a total market index fund in the IRA or 401K owns stock in WalMart, GE, or Halliburton. There was nothing “awkward” about Lamont speaking against WalMart.
As for Lieberman, instead of saying he “took money from” WalMart, turn it around, they gave money to Lieberman. It’s not about Lieberman being necessarily greedy or unprincipled, let’s face it, no Senate candidate can be expected to monitor every donation that comes in. But the Waltons/WalMart–the richest family and the most notoriously anti-labor corporation in the country–gave money to JoMo. That means that they think Lieberman is good for them.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 42
Christy, this crystalizes the whole thing. I’m an example. I am just a person in the wilderness. I have no connections, my debts are greater than my assets depending on the real estate market, I am the tiniest of cogs in the matrix. In short, powerless.
And yet — to quote Maya Angelou — I rise. Though my standing results in a loss, still I rise. And what makes it scary isn’t that I rise, but that a whole lot of little cogs — coggles? — rise, and rise, and rise. And we find some money and we find a decent candidate and we say “here, have this money” and “here, have some of my time.”
And things change. Things are changing. Ned Lamont can be the name after “Senator” and before “from Connecticut.” Charlie Brown (!) can be the representative of the CA-04 instead of John fkn Doolittle!
Too many of us will sit back and take it no longer. If even nobodies like me are doing something fer gawdsake, then woe to the powers that be. ha.
Did I read some where that Eleanor Holmes Norton, DC’s delegate, was in Connecticut with “rape gurney” Joe? She would do us all a favor if she keeps her non-voting ass in DC helping to solve the crime situation. [Moderator:
The nerve of that hussy.]Maybe this has been addressed and I’ve missed it, but does anybody know if lobbyist Richard Goodstein has been sighted at any Lamont events yesterday or today?
Or did Goodstein’s “unveiling” on YouTube, CT Bob, and elsewhere convince him to work behind the scenes for the duration?
#102
re: Goodstein
That bastard was on the local (dc channel 7) this morning talk show as a “democratic strategist.”
off for a three day road trip – so this is my last chance to wish Ned the best of luck, and to thank all of you who are helping in CT.
Go Ned!
punaise, are you going to give us pun for the road?
Nate C @ 103
Nate C: Holy crap. One more question…did anybody on the broadcast mention Goodstein’s antics at the burger place? If it was a “conservative” talk show, I’m guessing not.
Sorry, I was 2 in 1969 and I have never smoked dope. But let’s not confuse them with facts, shall we?
Hey, I was 18 then, and I’ve never smoked dope, either. We weren’t all hippies. I suspect the dope-smoking hippies were a small-but-conspicuous minority of the boomers, and the GOoP hasn’t ever gotten past it: they’re still living in 1968, in their minds, even though we aren’t.
Go, Ned, go!
I only saw the last 10 min or so. Not a word.
Christy, go for it…”attack, attack, attack”…but keep in mind there’s risks involved in that…including the risk of alienating some Lamont supporters.
Or…let the Lamont campaign do things their way in the last stretch…and actually do what Ned has asked:
“Things are getting hot here. It’s early August and I think everyone should have a cool lemonade and cool out. And I think as you get into this final few days let’s stick to the issues. Let’s keep this civil. I think this is what the people of Connecticut want. I say that to my supporters and I hope the senator says that to his.”
just my two cents..
‘ere !
Christy Hardin Smith @ 33
Eeeeewwwwww. I know what you mean, but ick.
I mean, my daddy didn’t have serial affairs while married to three different women, nor did his administrative aide (with his kids in tow) happen upon him getting a BJ in a parking garage.
If Newt’s our daddy figure, we’re all orphans.
Well, technically abandoned waifs dependent on the Church poorbox ’cause Daddy’s a deadbeat…..
eric at 109 — have you read ANY of my posts? Do you have any concept of the perspective from which I, personally, am speaking? Or are you just lecturing now? Admittedly, I’m not feeling all that well today and all…but I’ve done four posts this morning on my perspectives on this race and they have all been, I think anyway, cogent, focused, on target, and about putting as much effort into GOTV as I can. And your problem with that approach would be what, exactly?
Or is your sole focus in this thread to harp on a post for which Jane apologized two days ago now?
Lieberman on THIS WEEK: Iraq is better and Worse
He smiles when he’s asked by George Stephanapolous about his decision to split from the party and run as an Indi if he loses the primary. Like it’s some big joke. Since Lieberman is making Iraq the only issue that CT voters seem to upset by, then his response to Stephanapolous on Iraq sounded exactly as if George W. Bush were answering it for him. He can’t run away from that.
Lieberman: It is better now…it, it, it’s better and worse if you’ll allow me to put it that way.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
The video is up ; )
Concern. Troll.
Yeah. I think we’ve got one.
preznit giv me turkee @ 72
BWA HA HA HA HA HA . . . Splat!
Yes, we like to call ourselves “Democratic voters.” Remember us? We live outside the Beltway, don’t spend all our time going to cocktail parties thrown by lobbyists and big campaign donors, and worry about such mundane things as making our rent, paying our rising energy bills, keeping our kids alive until they fulfill their military service obligation, and praying that our children don’t grow up in a world worse than the one in which we were raised. At the moment, we aren’t all that happy with how things are going.
You can call us “the American people” if that makes it easier for you.
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I’m partial to “We the People”.
Dale in Alabama at 11:48:
Goodstein is back down in DC to play “TV Democratic strategist” on a local junior version of a Sunday show. I just checked the video to see that he was actually in the studio here, and not on a phone or video link from CT. I haven’t actually watched any more of it, but anyone who thinks they can stand it can get the video here.
New thread kids.
That cut and run stance presupposes that we had a righteous casus belli. Nothing further could be from the truth. Ending the war is the right thing to do. It is not the ending of the war that puts a stain on America, but its whole prosecution of the war. What little honor we have to rescue is in stopping the armed occupation of Iraq.
Rayne @
60
Rayne, I don’t know if you’ve seen it, but there is an overview on wikipedia.
You gotta love this site: http://liebermania.blogspot.com/ *A party of ONE!
Christy – no, i haven’t read them. but i’m sure they are as you describe…and I think that you and your co-authors here have provided a lot of good information relevant to this campaign. but hearing you say “attack, attack, attack” when I know what Ned has asked for makes me nervous. sorry…
Thanks, redshift! I’m going to fortify myself with more caffeine and scope out the video link.
I am listening to that show with Goodstien. 10 min. in, not a word about his dirty tricks.
-ck- @ 98
Hmmmm . . . which came first, the lobster or the revolution?
That segment is done. NOT A WORD!!!
Apologies if anyone else has said this, but I think it’s time we educated our Democratic representatives on the meaning of bi-partisanship.
For me, it isn’t the Joe version, which seems to be trying always to find a way to accede to the GOP way while framing it as having “worked hard” for the Dems. The old, “we tried, but…” method.
For me, bi-partisanship always means working your ass off for what is important to your party and your constituents, and in a closely divided Congress, this should give you some leverage, on the theory that they can’t always get what they want without our support. Too often lately, the attitude seems to be, “well, they’re going to get what they want anyway, so we might as well not waste anyone’s time fighting over it.” That’s not bi-partisanship – that’s rolling over and playing dead, for heaven’s sake.
What I would have liked to have heard today was a solid counter to the “votes with Dems 90% of the time” meme, with someone – Ned, Jim Dean – anyone – giving specific examples of Joe’s votes that didn’t matter, because he caved in when it counted.
It’s sad, isn’t it, when Washington has to be reminded that it is us, the voters, who decide what is and isn’t right, what is and isn’t “good for the party?” Since we’re the ones out here trying to pay the bills, instead of feasting on cocktail weenies on the taxpayers’ tab, what they really ought to be doing is listening and watching, instead of speaking and writing. They seem to have forgotten that it is us who has much to teach them, not the other way around.
To moderator:re:#101 I apologize for that.
LindyH 12:14 pm — missed it, thanks for posting the link. So what I’m wondering, given this bit:
Is Gitmo on American soil, and were Gitmo-held persons treated with prejudice?
Thanks Christy for giving voice to the frustrations of the…….
AMERICAN PEOPLE. I live in CO where we have the disgusting Allard and the Biden-Lite Salazar. I voted for Salazar as an anyone-but-Coors candidiate but he is in the mold of the ‘inside the Beltway Bubble’ crowd (he made that transition quickly too). Perhaps the fall of Holy Joe will be heard!
LindaR @ 100
Can you give me an ‘amen’ brothers and sisters?
If Joe loses, don’t feel bad for him, as it’s just a short ride to his independent run, and he’s got the perfect bumper sticker available:
Connect? I cut!
Thanks for that snow cone shot, with the opposite message.
dotman at 133 — yeah, I loved that picture — and the odd juxtaposition of it against the Lieberman Connecticut for Lieberman independent run looming in the distance was too much contrast not to talk about this morning. There’s a lot of odd bits swirling around with the political messaging coming out of DC these days. Trying to make any sense of it is difficult…but the fact that, at the end of the day, we’re still all able to share a snow cone says a lot about the “we the people” componant. And that’s where our strength ultimately always has been, isn’t it? It’s just good to point it out once in a while…
From Isaiah 49:
“14: But Zion said, “The LORD has forsaken me, my Lord has forgotten me.”
15: “Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should have no compassion on the son of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you.”
Don’t know you well enough egregious to say more. If you begin to envision scenarios where you may do harm to yourself in some way, imo, that’s a trigger to ask for help from someone over there.
Prayers and thoughts are with you.
just testing the toobz
So, so, so late to the party, but just had to thank you Christy for a beautifully written piece. You have really been doing a great job of gathering our wits. Thanks.
Earth to Joe:
You said there some “great parts” to that energy bill. Name one!
Do what you can in the next 2 days to help Ned. What a wonderful man he is, the staff that I meet are positive, energetic and appreciate the effort.
In terms of Iraq, Joe has Karl’s talking points down and simply adds a mild twist. The garbage that he’d said anything critical is new to me! When did you call for Rummy’s resignation?
Joe has the stones to talk about Ned being a camellian? Also, for him to compare himself to Truman is also disgusting. Senator, you’re no Harry Truman!
Watching that Bus in the end of the interview, I wonder if he can use it to ride off into retirement? Put a Washer/Dryer in the thing, a shower, a Queen Side Bed, etc and it would be a nice vehicle for him and Hadassa to ride back and forth to Florida as alot of Retired Folks do (like my dad). Of course, being a Working Man all his life, my dad doesn’t have the money for a converted Prevost Bus!
Cosmo @ 61
I wonder if Ned wins we will see any shift from politicians in who they choose to run their campaigns. As I understand it, Ned has gone way outside the beltway and I don’t think anyone could argue the fact that they have been hugely effective, particularly the ads. Easy to see why the usual consultants are nervous about Lamont winning.
Presnit @ 72 OK, that totally cracked me up.
Guys, that appearance by Jerkstein was pre-recorded. Sorry, but I can’t find where I read it.
John Casper @
135
err – my inner fool may be rushing in where the wise angels fear to tread (esp as I can’t discern what this comment refers to)…
but egregious, I’m here if I may be of help – my email is kmurphy (the usual) riseup (punctuate) net.
so many great folks have emotional “crashes” after successful actions – and that’s just the ones without mood disorders….
all sorts of tools can and do help folks through those downs….
if you are in that sad dark place, hope you remember the joy of the recent triumph – even if the joy can’t be felt now.
good luck….
Great picture, thank you. I know this happens every day, though more rare than the hate across lines – but its great to see it and hope for more.
I’m just one simple person trying to toss around all the pro’s and con’ of this Ct.
primary and as much as respect Senator Lieberman Ive come to the conclusion(yes I’m not to swift)that our country needs a real change in government.A Ned Lamont victory
would send a very powerful message to 1600
Pa. ave.and could be the beginning of a return
of our government to sanity.
Thank you John Casper
Hope this does not sound like on my box in Washington Square!
“I tell you that even so there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over ninety-nine righteous people who need no repentance.”
Forgive me if I’ve missed the answer to this somewhere else, as I don’t have the luxury of reading all that’s posted on this site. But I just can’t resist asking:
Could one of the reasons Joe isn’t talking about what happens after the primary, be due to a failure to collect enough signatures for an independent run?
Thanks for posting that pic, Christy. The guys who rented the snow cone machine and snapped the pic on Friday were working by my side at the Greenwich office on Sunday. They were thrilled to see your post.
Peace.