
(AP Photo/Bob Childs)
There has been an awful lot of reporting in the Connecticut Senate race about all the reasons why people support or oppose Joe Lieberman. But something that hasn’t been reported widely enough is why people — from all over the state and the nation, in some cases — are supporting Ned Lamont.
I’m not certain why this aspect of the story has been so underreported. You would think after yesterday’s QPoll numbers that some enterprising journalists would start tapping into that part of the story: why are Connecticut voters so energized on behalf of Lamont? Because, honestly, just voting against someone isn’t enough to get people to the polls on primary day.
In politics, it has always been about giving people a reason to get off their couches, turn off Oprah or Dr. Phil or their soap or SpikeTV’s Star Trek Marathon, or what have you, on the teevee, and head over to their precinct and cast a vote for someone. And I am told by a number of sources in Connecticut — including a lot of our Nutmeg readership — that there are a whole lot of people in Connecticut who are very energized and showing up to talk to Ned Lamont. All over the state.
This was, unfortunately, the part of the campaigning where John Kerry failed to close the deal, the reasons to vote for him and not just against George Bush – for which I will never, ever forgive Bob Shrum, by the way.
But in Connecticut, come August 8th, we could have a completely different story — people turning out to the polls to vote FOR Ned Lamont — a challenger to an 18 year incumbant Senator, who started a campaign from scratch and could, possibly, take it all the way through to a win in the primary and beyond.
That support comes from somewhere — and it is decidedly not just disgust or displeasure with Joe Lieberman, although, to be completely honest, Lieberman hasn’t been helping himself much the last six years or more, now has he? Jeff Greenfield did a fairly comprehensive listing on CNN yesterday of the problems with Lieberman, which include support for the mess in Iraq and also:
But it’s important to remember that Lieberman’s problems with Democratic constituencies go back further. He has often taken positions at odds with his party’s base. For instance, he supported vouchers for public school students so they might attend other schools — a position public school teachers’ unions strongly oppose. This year, both Connecticut teachers’ unions have endorsed Lamont.
In the past, Lieberman has questioned the value of affirmative action. Ten years ago, he said: "Affirmative action is dividing us in ways its creators could never have intended."
It’s not exactly a coincidence that prominent African-American politician Rep. Maxine Waters of California and the Rev. Al Sharpton are supporting Lamont.
And last year, he supported federal intervention in the case of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged woman at the center of a long legal battle over whether she could be taken off life support, thus aligning himself on that issue with religious conservatives. Schiavo’s husband is campaigning for Lamont, and those Democrats generally unhappy with the power of the "Religious Right" gained another reason to oppose the incumbent.
Then there’s lingering unhappiness over Lieberman’s decision in 2000 to run both for vice president and his Senate seat. Had Al Gore won the White House, Lieberman’s replacement would have been chosen by a Republican governor — costing Democrats control of the Senate and fueling the idea among some that Lieberman cared more about his career than his party.
And his promise to run as an independent if he loses the primary might complicate Democratic efforts to take two or three House seats in his state from vulnerable GOP incumbents.
But back to Ned Lamont. One of the things that intrigued me most about him was that he volunteered to teach in an inner city high school — something he clearly did not need to do financially or otherwise — simply because it was the right thing to do. So often we all know what we ought to be doing. But Ned Lamont just found a way to do it.
My mother was a teacher for over thirty years in the public school system. I watched the issues that she dealt with in her elementary school grow and become more and more difficult through the years: belligerant parents who refused to take responsibility for problems in school or have their child do so either; being able to teach less and less of her curriculum and more and more of how to take tests and not much else; discipline issues that never fully were addressed, even from kids as young as 6; and so many other things. That Ned Lamont was willing to wade into those thorny issues at the high school level is admirable — and shows an enormous amount of character and purpose, in my book.
Far too often, teachers are underpaid, overworked, and unthanked. And they do a job that is so essential to the well-being of this nation that it appalls me to even think about the idiocy of this approach to education. Of course, that doesn’t apply to kids whose parents can afford to send them to a nice prep school or private academy, which is most members of Congress frankly, so not a problem if you can’t see it, right? Wrong.
Having dealt up close and personal with juvenile delinquency issues and seeing the impact that a caring teacher and/or family member can have on a child by simply believing that they can be someone better, that they can do something better…well, it matters to each and every one of us how the poorest of our children are educated.
That Ned Lamont would step up to the plate and work on that issue first hand by being a volunteer teacher in a tough neighborhood in Bridgeport, CT? That is what I call character. And it is one reason — of many — that I support Ned Lamont.
But it’s not just me. It’s a lot of folks from CT and elsewhere, who see in Ned Lamont something that you don’t see too often in politics: a guy who genuinely cares about the people he hopes to serve, and who listens to them. Just look at the photo above of Ned and Rev. Jesse Jackson. That is a real grin, a true laugh, and a look of attention on his face. Not some smarmy photo op fake plastered smile, but an honest grin and that look that a belly laugh could erupt at whatever joke Rev. Jackson might be telling. It is a genuine moment, and thank goodness that some people can still have them in politics today.
I’ll let some of the other readers here tell you, in their own words, why they support the Lamont campaign. First up, scarecrow:
Why Lamont? Big and little things. He’s genuine; he gets it, he listens; he cares that what we’re doing is hurting people, he’s willing to say that’s not okay and not hedge it; he’s not a jingoist and he’s not afraid to say when we screwed up and need to change; he sees the connection between bad decisions there and the unability to make good decisions here.
And there’s the intangible stuff that we can’t define but the folks here, from all over, look at this guy and see, Jeez, he’s real, and we’re ready to work our butts off.
Next, SharonW, who lives in CT:
I support Ned Lamont because as a CT voter I had been waiting for years for someone to challenge Lieberman, but nobody ever did. He was always far too conservative for my tastes. So about two weeks after Lamont announced his candidacy, I met with him and right off the bat, I liked him. I liked the people working with him, too.That like became love during the debates. Damn, that’s the first time in ages I’ve heard a candidate say everything I believed in and valued without worrying about how it was going to play with moderates and independents. He simply spoke his mind without a freakin’ filter. I loved him at that point.
He is a breath of fresh air and he comes off as genuine as Mr. Smith and I hope he goes to Washington.
And also Millineryman:
I am supporting Ned Lamont because he represents to me what a true Democrat is about. He’s about raising people up when they need a hand. He stands for equal rights and inclusion. He stands on the side of the law and will uphold the Constitution, not shred it. He makes me believe in the power of politics as force to help people that need it, not as a means to his own end. He’s man of principles and action, not a cowardly wimp who hides from a paper mache float.
And Anne:
I support Ned Lamont because I believe he cares. Anyone who volunteers to teach and mentor kids who might not otherwise have that kind of attention is someone who knows the future is in our kids. And I think when he works with these kids, and sees the hard road ahead for them, which, instead of being paved smoother, is being riddled with potholes due to the misplaced priorities of the current administration, it inspires him to action.Between these kids and his own kids, he sees the tremendous promise they represent, and contrasts it with the insanity of continuing to send our young men and women into war zones on the basis of policies that have been failing almost from Day One.
Joe Lieberman has been a tire with a slow leak that has finally fallen flat, hampering the forward movement of the vehicle he is attached to. He is a flat tire that can no longer be patched up and put back on the car. I think Ned finds it enormously frustrating to see a clear path and a clear direction and realize that with the flat tire that is Joe Lieberman, CT would never get where it needs to go, and neither would the country.
Ned is a progressive liberal in the best sense of that term, and in keeping with where we are today. He is a man of action, a man who knows how to listen to people, a man who is not going to abandon Connecticut for months and years on end while he basks in an over-rated notion of his own glory.
I believe that Ned Lamont is for a lot of things, much more than he is just against Joe Lieberman.
He represents hope, which I think many of us are thirsty for.
Another Connecticut resident, DAB:
I registered in CT as a Dem for the 1972 Presidential election – have been a devoted and dedicated liberal to moderate party member ever since.Lieberman left the core principles of the Dem party behind years and years ago and Dems in CT have been waiting for someone to challenge him since at least 2000 (selecting him for VP candidate was a mis-guided political calculation).
Lamont represents hope for Democrats of CT. When he is elected to the Senate in November, he will stand up and fight for the policies and principles of the Dem party: economic opportunity for all Americans, cooperation with the international community over issues like terrorism, poverty, aids and the environment. He’ll be an advocate for public education, science (stem cell research), civil rights, support of American’s constitutional rights – the list goes on.
I can’t tell you how proud I am to have Lamont running for Senator in my state.
That’s quite a number of reasons, isn’t it? But don’t take our word for it, Ned Lamont has a great website, chock full of information about his positions on a number of issues. See for yourself why Ned Lamont is worth supporting.
Whatever happens in this primary on August 8th, I can tell you one bit of impact that it has already had: politicians all over the country have realized that they ignore their constituents at their own peril. Whether the winner is Joe Lieberman or Ned Lamont, this will serve as a cautionary tale that no matter how high you think you have flown, you can fall just as far and a whole lot more quickly. From Evil Parallel Universe:
At the end of the day, if the people of CT vote for Lamont, then Lieberman should just step down – sure in the knowledge that his time, if it ever was, has passed.
The real issue is that Lieberman seems to think that he is indespensible – that some how the world will stop spinning if he is NOT in the senate, or the country will be in worse shape. Which can only mean one thing – its not about public policy, the future direction of this country, it’s about Joe’s self proclaimed right to be a senator from CT for life regardless of how he actually votes on issues. Last time I looked, there were no life peerages in this country – maybe I should recheck that though. Too long ago Joe forgot that he worked for the people of CT, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. And, given the inane policies of TEAM LOSER and its failures, policies and failures that Lieberman fully supported and continues to support, I for one would vote for anyone to replace them and HIM, let alone a qualified candidate like Lamont.
You asked, rhetorically I assume, if it was worth destroying(interesting phrasing)* someone to win an election? The answer is, yes, if the stakes are high enough. But neither anyone here, nor Lamont, created Joe’s problems with the electorate, and, in fact, aren’t capable of “destroying” anyone – all we can do is try to get him unelected. Is Joe really that fragile? If so, he has no right to be an elected official. Is his identity so tied up with the trappings of the office that he really will be “destroyed” if he loses? If so, then that is prima facie evidence that he needs to go.
But, if he is “destroyed” he did it to himself. HIS choices – NOT ours; HIS choice to follow TEAM LOSER, not his constituents (or ours for that matter), and his choice to view his senate seat as a right, rather than a privilege the people of CT granted him.
And I say, it’s about time that all of our elected officials remembered that they work for us.
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L A M O N T !!!
Fitz!
Any word on those 7500 signatures for the independent bid? Are they in yet?
Hey, FDLers!!
There’s a new Frameshop piece in response to the incident at Ted’s, yesterday, complete with a quick-n-easy strategy for turning the whole Lieberman tactic into a plus for the Lamont campaign:
The HAMBURGLARS vs. Ned Lamont
Enjoy…
Enterprising young journalist? You’re really funny Christy!
onesize FITZ all!
Quick question:
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2227/1sh6.jpg
Same guy? Trying to identify a LieberThug from yesterday, found a promising hit in a former Penn College Republican officer…
Good Morning FDL, and thank you Christy, wonderful post.
This is why I come here, people care about our political system, and want to make it work better. And are taking steps to do that.
I do what I can, with calls to my Senators and Representative (and occasionally other Senators) I haven’t yet gotten to the point where I’m comfortable with letters to the editor, but it’s coming, thanks to everyone here.
Oh, and forgot to mention I have coffee for anyone who wants some.
Great idea to turn the focus away from Lieberman and toward Lamont…which may be another way of saying that the electorate needs to move forward with Lamont, instead of standing still or being left behind with Lieberman.
The talking heads and many of the pundits, including the so-called Democratic stratgists, are seizing on the internals of the Quinnipiac poll numbers – the ones that show that two-thirds who said they would vote for Ned are doing it because they are against Lieberman. They are using it to show that messing with the status quo is bad for the party.
Well, that Q-poll finding fails to acknowledge that there has to be some “for Lamont” feeling in there, otherwise, a voter who was against Lieberman could just choose to remain undecided. That these voters have made the decision to vote for Lamont tells me that they may have started from a position of being against Lieberman, but they know enough about Ned – and like what they now know – to make an affirmative decision to vote FOR Lamont.
Gonna be quite a wild ride these next few days…fasten your seatbelts, gang!
Strong and black, please. And Jeff@4 your link is not found.
Matt, I don’t think so — guy on right (haha) looks older and pinker. Different nose as well it seems….
Great, great post, Christy!
You said it all (and more). But I will just add that, having been a Lamont supporter from the very beginning, back when we met at “meetups”, I just LIKED him. Ned is down-to-earth. He listens, he looks you in the eye. He takes the time to process any and all questions, and what he says makes sense.
My husband has dealt with Lieberman at the local level, as a member of our DTC. He has never come through with the simplest of requests, such as information on grants to expand our woefully inadequate senior center.
Oh, sure, he promised that help was just a phonecall to his office away, but he never picked up the phone.
That’s the kind of thing you don’t forget. Yes, the big issue is the war, but it’s also what Joe hasn’t done at the local level.
Along came Ned and I have never looked back. He is the man Connecticut and the country need.
i met ned before he was even a declared candidate back in mid march. i had heard about him here on FDL so i wanted to see what the buzz was about. sure, i had issues with joe. after ned gave his 5 minute speech (it really was short back then) he then asked for questions. he answered the questions in plain language. it was very clear where he stood. he hit almost every point i had in my head and i sat there and smiled. the next time i met ned we spoke before the event in groton. i looked him in the eye and he looked back. he was very warm and engaging. he felt like i person that i would want as my friend. i have been praising ned since, with letters to the editor to the local paper, using friends and family and talking a LOT to folk who really are not engaged in the political process (that’s most of the folk in connecticut by the way) i think i have nudged a few to vote for ned. i have had a few friends, like me who were indys, to register as a dem just to vote in this primary. i am no longer voting against joe. i really want ned to represent me and my family and our hopes.
the Lamont “Wishes” TV spot expresses things well — Ned will work with us to make our wishes come true !
Christy I join your chorus of joyful praise.
This has always been a Connecticut race — all DC pundit’s fears aside. Sure there are national overtones, but Joe L. has been a bad Senator for his State.
You know who else is entirely vulnerable on that point? John Kerry In Massachusetts.
Mornin’ Christy,
extremely well said by all. wish we had a Ned here in God’s country
came here about a year ago – (some helpful guy named John Casper answered my questions) – and 12 months later Jane Dayum-sure is featured in the NYT and she wasn’t even wearing pajamas . . . my, my, my
imm at 15 — you know the really irritating thing about Kerry? He’s done some amazing work on domestic violence issues, and no one would ever know it if they hadn’t followed his career. When he was prosecutor, his office set up the first victim’s advocate office to help women stand on their own feet after dealing with years of physical and emotional abuse and/or rape and other violence issues in and out of relationships, and it is a model for how prosecutors around the country deal with those types of cases now. Really groundbreaking stuff — but you’d never know it from the last campaign. He’s done great work on children’s protection issues. And on environmental issues. But again, you didn’t get to hear about it. And it’s a shame, because there is a lot of character and quite a few very good action points for him to talk about throughout his career — but it all gets lost in the minutiae. SIGH
…this will serve as a cautionary tale that no matter how high you think you have flown, you can fall just as far and a whole lot more quickly.
Joseph I. “Icarus” Lieberman
Thanks for your spotlight on these eloquent comments, Christy.
Christy at 17 –
I agree. My area of scholarship is sexual assault victims rights — often as it relates to their relationship with prosecutors. Kerry was a visionary when it came to creating in-office support for victims of domestic violence. He is just really terrible at constituent politics.
Mornin’ all.
Started to read the Glob and stopped at the cartoon on the editorial page. Had to come here and post it:
Wasserman in Globe
It isn’t exactly a why we vote FOR Ned, but too good to miss.
Good column. If, and we all hope he does, Lamont wins the primary Tuesday, the inside the Beltway types ARE going to have an “a-ha” moment.
Grass roots democracy is the only way we’re going to save this country, if, indeed, it’s still salvagable.
OT: lots of good ideas re: dealing with the College Republicans, but one I didn’t see was to get to the Union folks and make sure they understand what needs (and doesn’t need!) to be done.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 17
Christy, serious thanks for some very serious edumacating — I knew none of this, but now I do, and I can look deeper into these important issues and pass along what I’ve learned …
FDL brain food — and it tastes good too!
Sorry for the bad link above in comment #4. Here’s the fix:
THE HAMBURGLARS VS. NED LAMONT
(enjoy…)
imm @15
Kerry’s made lots of mistakes, we all know that. At the same time, now that we are working with the new guy in his office who is truly a progressive, we’re hoping that the beltway handlers will exit stage right and the old Kerry will find his way back. Time will tell, of course, but things of persuasive nature happen and the Ned campaign could be one of those many things of late that are happening.
btw, Jane’s in the NYTimes today, in case anyone hasn’t seen it yet:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08…..ref=slogin
Great photo, isn’t it? But I bet she’ll be passing out pumpkin loaf for a week because Kobe didn’t make the shot. *g*
RevDeb @ 20
Haha, thanks Deb. I noticed Jeff Jacoby on the same page – didn’t he get fired years ago for plagiarism?
Christy — I always thought Jane was a “thirties-something” …
If Lieberman does lose, especially if he loses big, the Conventional Wisdom Machine will gear up to say it wasn’t really the war, Lieberman was just out of touch, and we needn’t get out of Iraq.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 26
Jane, just gorgeous.
And Spazeboy’s name in the NYT.
Taking back the country — it’s really starting ….
RevDeb @
20
Amen!
op99 @ 27
I wish. Actually I think it was Mike Barnacle that was fired for plagiarism, but I could be wrong. He’s the guy who has been subbing for Tweety this week.
the WaPo story is fairly good — the info about Joe allegedly scrapping his expensive store-bought GOTV operation might be a ruse, a trick to disarm the LamontSwarm for Election Day. No slacking off now, Neddites!
RevDeb @ 33
I checked – sorry, no linky for you (it’s from WorldNutDaily).
Sorry for the OT, folks.
*ilson46201 @ 33
Too true, *ilson, I thought that myself — but if that is what team Lieberman is doing it’s a huge mistake because it assumes that Lamont’s ground team are all paid-for folks and that Lamont would want to save money for the general. However, people are going to be there just so they can help Ned.
That is why passion can defeat money.
Op99 at 34 — I didn’t know that about Jacoby, but now that I do, a LOT more people will hear about it as well.
Okay, I’ll fess up on why, deep down, I support Ned Lamont.
I support Ned because I see that he’s cut from the same bolt as the two best — in every sense of the word — Senators (and guvs too) that my own Florida has ever shared with the nation: Lawton Chiles and Bob Graham.
When Walkin’ Lawton had his fatal heart attack just two weeks before Jeb Bush’s swearing-in as his successor in the guvship, the whole state grieved. Yet we also smiled a bit, knowing that Our Lawton had died as Governor Chiles. His funeral, televised statewide, featured speaker after speaker, from all political and economic ranks, telling their favorite Lawton stories and making the whole teary state laugh repeatedly. Now, all over Florida, you’ll see roadsigns picturing a worn-out pair of brown hiking boots: it’s the “Walkin’ Lawton Chiles Trail,” tracing the walk across and up-&-down Florida that won him the governorship.
Like Lawton, Bob Graham (of the WaPo Grahams) had no need to make a living as a politician or anything else, but his love for the people drove him to it. All the years he was in office, as Gov or Sen, he kept up his “work days”: many times per year, Bob spent the whole day on the job with every kind of Floridian in their work at hand, be it roofing or programming or laundry, trucking, teaching, or line-cooking in a cafe. As he worked alongside them, he listened to learn exactly what real Floridians’ every day included and what they needed from their government. Then he tried his durnedest to help them get it. I hope to God he’s our next DNI.
When I look at Ned Lamont, I see Lawton Chiles and Bob Graham. That’s why I love to look at Ned Lamont and want to see much, much more of him in years to come. Because he’s real.
I liked the blogger story in the NY Times. Yes, Jane looks ten years younger than her stated age.
The blogosphere on the left has often been compared to talk radio for the right. It is really so much more. Talk radio is one dimensional. Blogs are little libraries of endless information as well as fund raising tools. The medium lends itself to inflammatory rhetoric, but that’s its entertainment value.
I hope Ned has some good message points rehearsed for MTP in response to Russert trying to trip him up re blogs.
Great pic of Jane and her Mac. These days it is spending more time with her than Kobe is.
And the story isn’t half bad either.
NYTimes — AP
lotus 37:
I love Bob Graham. I knew when he voted NO on Iraq, the Intel was crap.
Oohhhhh Christy!
Wonderful post. That ‘laser focus’ I was wishing for about a week ago? (dress discussion, groan)
You absolutely NAILED it!
And, per usual, eloquent pups chime in to great effect. Bravo all!
LAMONT SURGE!
Couldn’t post this a.m. Must take extra time in the toobz with two countries’ security services checking every word :) (Kidding? No.)
All open-heart congenital surgeries this week were successful. Lot of happy moms and dads.
A newborn was flown in from Uzbekistan with his anesthesiologist monitoring the meds. This guy has flown us patients before, once he had to intubate ON THE PLANE.
The 13-year-old with sepsis and renal failure has responded to broad spectrum antibiotics and prayer, we think he is going to live. Usually our critical patients are babies, this one was painful to see because he KNEW he might not make it. Happy ending indeed!
If people are being shoved by Liebermans paid supporters, then they should be filing assault charges on the supporter and even Lieberman himself. That would shut the little mealy mouth up.
Need your help this AM — I have a local CT reporter who really wants to work on the Wal-Mart donation story. I need Maura’s telephone and looseheadprop’s contact info regarding the attys who can speak to the FEC legal aspects.
Don’t post here — instead, e-mail me at
pat at nursesnotebook dot com.
The sooner the better seeing it’s Friday.
Thanks in advance!
oh imm, look what was going through my head as I was reading the NYT article -
MICHAEL: I saw an interesting thing happen today. A rebel was being arrested by the military police, and rather than be taken alive, he exploded a grenade he had hidden in his jacket. He killed himself, and took a captain of the command with him.
[ROTH looks concerned]
JOHNNY OLA: Those rebels, you know, they’re lunatics.
MICHAEL: Maybe so — but it occurred to me. The soldiers are paid to fight — the rebels aren’t.
ROTH: What does that tell you?
MICHAEL: They can win.
GO BORIS!!!
Thanks for that update, egregious — hugs to you!
hey egregioius –
thanks for the uplifting news
oh yeah, Lamont Surge – Apoodlelypse Now
kirby at 46 — you’ve got mail on the way…
Lawton Chiles and Bob Graham. Two of the good guys. Voted for both while living in Ft. Laud. and Gainesville all those years.
Don’t forget Florida Gov. Reubin O’Donovan Askew. Please. Voted for him too.
Reub too, OK kiddo — I just ’specially loves me some Lawton and Bob.
It’s very hot today
Question regarding the Jane’s FDL debut NYT article …Is that our Maura quoted at the end?
Kirby, the check was dated February 9th but Lieberman was saying they got it in March and returned it but Walmart has not reported it returned by June 30th in their 2nd quarterly report. If Joe cashed it but returned it, Joe has to disclose it. If they just returned it uncashed to WalMart, WalMart should have it and should have reported it cancelled on their FEC report.
Legally, there’s a check out there unaccounted for…
Yep, Dru, sure is our Maura!
Aah, people have already linked to NYT’s story and Wapo’s story. So an idea for a great post from Christy is spoiled.
Here would have been the plot for Christy for a post. Wapo’s Dan Balz parachuted in CT couple of days ago and yesterday, he did a story on Jane, swallowing all the talking points from Lieberman campaign. But after spending another day in CT , he must have seen the reality and with the new Q-poll, reality hit Balz. Today, he wrote what could be construed as an epitaph or political eulogy on Lieberman. The biggest news from Balz is
that Lieberman gave up on that 4,000-member college repub GOTV campaign. They thought it would be waste of money and want to do now instead a TV blitz. (What left unsaid was TV blitz would help his independent campaign, even if he loses the primary, where GOTV was a one-shot deal.)
Juxtaposed against that report, Christy could have included NYT’s report on bloggers, highlighting Jane, and how they are helping Dem campaigns. A very positive, soft-lens piece.
So the Wapo piece talks about the death of Democratic political center (link to today’s Krugman’s column to reinforce the theme) if there ever was one, and the NYT piece talks about the birth of political force from the progressive bloggers.
Death on one hand and birth on the other. Life renews itself.
G’moring.
Just read the WaPo (Joe has already lost) and the NY Times blogger article.
NY Times is really well done. Very fair, I thought.
Jane, you did a great job with that! I wondered yesterday if any of the msm press was calling said blogger for comments. Phone must’ve been ringing off the hook.
And for the record, I support Ned Lamont because this country needs an army of Lamont’s and Hacket’s and Darcy Burner’s and many, many more genuine, real, conscientiuous, principled and courageous people who are willing to serve their country as an elected official, not for the ego-boost and the fame and the glory, but because they really care about the quality of life for their families, their neighbors, and most especially for the children who are the inheritors of the legacy we leave them with.
Ned’s victory in this race is important because it will demonstrate that there is hope, and that it is possible to begin to turn the back the “blood-red tide” (to quote Yeats) which has crept this country in teh last 30 years.
Go Ned.
Don’t miss Adie’s EPU:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-223036
Evan Bayh’s Dad, Birch Bayh, was one of those old-fashioned Democrats who were effective and compassionate. We still call Birch the real Senator Bayh !
Thanks lotus, I’m so glad!
Front page blaring headline from my local newspaper –
Pro-Joe Political Posse Ambushes Ned at Ted’s
http://www.record-journal.com/…..rdjournal#
The locals are not happy.
Amidst all the Nedrenaline, it is important to remember that once elected, he will be a politician like any other in most respects. This sounds not so nice, but we should avoid elevating this man above his true height.
That he has taught in the public schools is admirable, and he may turn out to be a reliable liberal vote and a superior provider of constituent service. But do not forget that he may well find it easier to join opportunists like Barbara Boxer and the Clintons than to beat them.
He’s not my Senator nor will he be since I am a Marylander, he’s Connecticut’s frontrunner. But I am not prepared to canonize this man simply because he is anti-war (to his merit), taught school when he could have been fishing (to his merit) and may be a genuine nice guy. If Lamont wins, the voters who put him there may need to send him a horse’s head from time to time a la Jack Woltz in The Godfather, perhaps earlier in his term than you’d want to hope for.
kirby, please copy and paste that story if you can — I dont see the story
“In politics, it has always been about giving people a reason to get off their couches, turn off Oprah or Dr. Phil or their soap or SpikeTV’s Star Trek Marathon, or what have you, on the teevee, and head over to their precinct and cast a vote for someone.”
Last night I heard someone say they had been searching for Hezbollah on the map of Lebanon and they just couldn’t find it. Where is it, this person wanted to know since they had heard Israel is bombing Hezbollah, in Lebannon.
lotus #37:
I still smile over the quote from Lawton Chiles when he beat Jeb! the first time he ran for Gov:
“The he-coon walks at dawn”.
Referring to how he wisely held his ad funds ’til late in the cycle and plastered the media right before election. If he hadn’t we’d probably have had Jebleft to steal the election instead of his moronic fundy brother.
cbl @ 48
Apoodlelypse — OH YES !!
When the mood is lighter, but ready for some good literary-verbiage-stuff, I’ll post the ultimate poodles-and-CT famous art object ….though many of you probably already know it well …
“. . .searching for Hezbollah on the map of Lebanon . . .”
that would be very funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.
Ditto *ilson, kirby. We can’t get there from here.
Bruce 62 — re the horse’s head idea.
Not good. Up in the Hudson River Valley (somewhere near New Paltz I think) a lone democrat has served on the council for the last few years in a rethug Party machine area. Won’t be a good little girl and keep her mouth shut. Over the last few months, she has been subjected to all kinds of harrasment — car marked up with nasty graffiti in the supermarket parking lot, type of thing. Until about a week ago, she discovered a real horses head floating in her backyard swimming pool.
The point is that we should always keep in touch with our representatives and cultivate a dialogue (one wonders if Joe developed his bad constituent habits in the 80s when it was so unfashionable to pay attention to politics) with them.
But never ever threaten them.
dont them Hezbos come from Hezbolistan?
Kirby at 61 — nor should they be. Despicable conduct, especially in shoving a senior citizen who was there to talk with Ned. That’s wrong on so many levels, I don’t even know where to start. Did you see Jane’s piece and Stoller’s piece on it yesterday?
the horses head was a metafur — you do know what a metafur is, dont you? [Zell=off]
Christy, thanks for using the power of the rabid lambosphere to remind the pols who they serve.
And egregious, good for you and your team!
8ilson at 63 — I’ve got something coming up on it shortly, along with some other tidbits about assault, battery, and idiocy on the campaign trail…
bbuster, and the smile on his face as he delivered that line — wondermous!
Are you in FLA now? We’re trying to rustle-up an FDL-of-FLA party a couple of weeks from now. You in?
Re the Lieberyouth.
This is what happens when you depend on fratboys who have nothing else to do.
They don’t know anything about the issues. They don’t care about the issues. And they certainly don’t care about Joe Lieberman.
No, it was just a quick buck and an opportunity to have some fun. I am guessing that they were given a list of questions, were told to ‘aggessively” repeat them. But since they don’t have any stake in this, other than a brief moment in some kind of banal spotlight, they went overboard. If the people who were there were genuine Joe supporters (and I believe he does have some) then I doubt this would’ve happened.
Which may be the ’sub-text” to the WaPO article regarding his decision to switch $$ from feet on the ground to a media buy. He hired a bunch of mercenaries who are too stupid to be controlled.
Thanks for the WaPo link, *ilson – as I read it I wondered if Dan Balz was eyeing the Lamont bandwagon and thinking about jumping on; today’s article certainly was more positive about Ned than one he wrote earlier in the week.
The bit about the Lieberman campaign scrapping the massive GOTV strategy is loaded with all kinds of possibilities. One is the rumor that they weren’t getting nearly the numbers of workers they wanted, even with a paycheck attached. Another is the likelihood that there is growing distaste in CT for the combative out-of-town workers, and the knowledge that many are Republicans is not helping, either.
Then there is what I think could be even more damaging fallout from this decision, and that is that it completely undermines his argument that he is THE Democrat that CT should elect, if he isn’t even willing to fight the good fight to the bitter end. Instead, he is reverting to form, and counting on the ever-present fall-back strategy – the unaffiliated run in the general. I think the Lamont campaign should pick that up and run as hard and fast as they can with it.
Additionally – Lieberman’s going to do ads and such, but does not plan to speak about the one issue that is the defining issue of the campaign, and the biggest issue that has him where he is today? I don’t know who’s advice that is, but if that isn’t running away from your so-called principles and sticking your head in the sand, what is?
*ilson46201 @ 72
I figured. But since a Dem was recently attacked in such a literal way, I thought it prudent to point out that this might not be such a good time to evoke such an image.
In Florida you may not touch another person without permission for it to be considered assault. Even spitting is considered assault.
The only defense against touching someone let alone shoving someone is self-defense. Know this for a fact after son threw ex-wife’s boyfriend on ground in an altercation.
And if Florida has those kinds of laws, god knows CT should.
Short of public financing for elections, our open source, people powered politics will show that there is an alternative selling your soul to special interest money in order to get elected. Think Tester, Herseth, Lamont, Webb, etc.
There will be those seduced by the dark side when they get to Washington. However, our ability to hold politicians accountable will continue to grow.
Which ever way this election goes, I think everyone needs to reach into the silence of their hearts for a moment and thank Howard Dean.
It was just such an insurgent campaign that reawakened the grassroots of the party and showed us that it is in fact possible to take our country back. Indeed if the blogsphere had been as mature in 2003 as it is now, the six million dollars John Kerry injected into his campaign probably would have bought his wife a lovely asterisk and nothing more.
Let the MSM bark its irrelevance. The blogsphere has seized the future and now as is Dean’s main theme, even one person can make a difference.
When Ned gives his victory speech, it will be in large measure because Howard Dean walked the walk, and showed us how it’s done.
There must be 50 ways to dump the Dubya!
What is the Lamont position on the Israeli-Hesbollah conflict?
As someone who does not like the idea of using war as a means of conflict resolution I am not impressed with either of the players. I would like to support candidates who really oppose war a concept, and not pick and choose which wars are just.
Wars today always have more innocents killed than combatants. This makes all war a type of genocide. We must find a better way to solve conflicts than will military intervention.
EJ Dionne, today:
Hey, EJ! Here we are! *g*
hi moderator deities -
sorry for the morning gross out, but there seems to be a bit of troll droppings at the end of the previous thread….
I’m in New Orleans, but I support Ned Lamont because I believe he will represent the interests of his constituents and, by extension, the interests of the people of the United States. I have no expectations of perfection, but I trust that his intent is for the good of our country.
Subway Seranade @81:
from NYT ” And Mr. Lamont has helped Howard Dean in the past.
Mr. Lamont, a former selectman in Greenwich, was the host of a fund-raiser for Howard Dean in 1993 or 1994, when the elder Dean was governor of Vermont, James Dean said. In 2002, when Howard Dean was exploring a run for president, Mr. Lamont was among a handful of Democrats in Connecticut with whom James Dean arranged for his brother to meet.”
kirk, the stuff was swept out… thanks
Good Discussion of Lamont-LIeberman and race on WYNC in nyc.
Overall aggreement that the “blogger incident” not important in race.
Matt@6 – Prob’ly not – the ears are different.
DefJef…7:25am
The hope in this house is that Ned Lamont will totally support an eventual resolution of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict along the lines of the how the axis of statesmen, Rabin, al-Sadat and Carter approached it. It’s for certain that Lieberman is not interested in peace in the Middle East.
the early “Mr.Lamont” TV spot innoculated Ned against two charges: elitism and racism. I’m sure the campaign knew the LieberVolk would try an attack on those lines. Having Sharpton poo-poo the LieberPandering was helpful as were the fotos of Ned with the Country Preacher…
egregious – wanted to tell you how great it was to read your good news this morning – especially about the 13 yr old, who must have been very frightened – am so glad to hear he is responding to the treatment.
What great work this is – I so admire you for what you are doing. Please know that we are all with you in spirit – and you knw how powerful FDL love is!!
.Paul Miller @ 64
Bad as that sounds, at least he’s looking. I can’t blame someone for being ignorant, but I can blame them for staying ignorant.
OT
lotus at 7:05
Gotcha, puppy! It’s o.k. to howl thru the tears ONCE in awhile, idn’ it? Got to or I’ll explode, sigh.
BTW, Jr visited OH for slick Blackwell funraiser yestidy. (Blkwell now SecyState AND concurrently running for Gov’ner, trailing 20 points at the moment but we’re askeered he’ll see to it he “wins” anyway :-P).
Dy-no-mite picture of preznit yesterday at the funrazer, enthusiastically shaking hand of -erm- a popular former quarterback of CLE Browns, while the hapless Blkwell is sorta hangin on to Jr’s shoulder from behind, TRYING to get into the picture(!). Gee thanks I think, he’s surely thinkin’.
Oh, during the visit, OH had a lil’ earthquake(for real!) in the a.m., almost deadcenter where they were holding the private $1000/plater ($10,000/pic w/ prez). Then we had nasty lightening storms in the afternoon, complete w/ power outages (for real).
Can’t someone PLEASE keep Jr. “home”?!
WNYC has just announced that there will be live coverage of the CT primary Tues nite. http://www.wnyc.org with Brian Lehrer.
Avail as a live stream and as a podcast and on the dial FM 93.9 and AM 820.
Brian always does great local election coverage.
Kirk,
No team. Just me and the Russian surgeons that I have sponsored for training at Harvard, Stanford, Emory, Michigan, Fairfax, Europe.
All procedures can be done here now, including Norwood, except for transplant which is illegal. You can put them in but you can’t take them out. Here, that’s a good thing. However one of our people has the only federal license to transplant heart valves in children.
CBS’ Christine Lagorio has a great article on Ned called:
Meet Joe Lieberman’s Worst Nightmare
Man-o-man, do I wish I lived in CT?! You betcha!
I’ve read more print newspaper (and online msm news) during the Lamont campaign than I have in total for several years. And I must say, every time I do it’s like leaving planet Earth and entering some surreal version of reality. Their manufactured news, and manufactured faux outrage is just so contrary to my daily reality and strange.
But more and more people are joining us here in the reality based world, now that the MSM is so over the top with their distortion of facts…it’s only a matter of time before the media outlets collapse, spewing their coctail weenies in all directions, irrelevant to all.
Christy,
Thank you for the great work you do here.
I have been lurking here during these last days of the CT primary campaign much more than I have any other blogs.
I am anxious about this election and hope we see real signs of the shift in this country with the election of Ned Lamont.
I have been thinking about my sense of feeling so anxious. I realized the only other feeling I could compare this to was when I was sitting in the waiting room, waiting for the birth of my grandchild.
I realize that this is very much a birthing experience in that this particular election is the realization of new kind of democratic participation finally taking hold.
We almost had it with the Hacket run in Ohio and I think we will see it many times over with Act Blue candidates and all the Fighting Dems running.
So, thank you for providing such a cozy waiting room.
Great article in the NYT. Gerstein is such a loser!
Christy I agree with you about Kerry. Tom Oliphant wrote a great article in the Boston Globe about him early in the campaign that really showed his depth of character. Unfortunately, the sycophants and consultants removed all personality and life from his campaign.
What a beautiful post, and I must say thank you to Christy for including my comment. I say this all the time about how inspired I am by FDL. I have to get back to deadlines, and thanks again for the inspiration, the hope and the opportunity to take action.
BTW, if there is anyone in the Philly/SJ area who wants to go to CT for the day tomorrow, I have room in my car for 3 other people. Contact me a millineryman at mac dot com.
I’m leaving by 7am and will be returning late Sat. night.
I’m so glad you are highlighting all the reasons why there are so many people in CT and around the country who see hope in Lamont’s candidacy.
Lieberman has not represented the marjority of Connecticut residents for many, many years. And he has undermined fellow Dems for the past six years.
It’s time to go, Joe. I hope you go graciously – for your own sake as well as the Dem party’s.
RevDeb Your cartoon link took me to this really nice reporting job on campaign rallies for the two candidates.
http://www.boston.com/news/glo…..ing_spiel/
well…..raw story reports that Mr. Lamont owns thousands of dollars of Walmart stock.
Ghostman
Terre, lurved that CBS story — especially the mussing-hair-to-talk-about-teenagers image!
From the Meriden Record-Journal
Pro-Joe political posse ambushes Ned at Ted’s
Lieberman supporters confront Lamont as he stops in for a campaign cheeseburger in Meriden. He never got the cheeseburger.
Unusual scene greets Senate candidate on campaign trail
By Jennifer Manes
Record-Journal staff
Campaign 2006
U.S. Senate
Good morning, everybody. Great picture of Ned and Jesse.
Lamont has captured my admiration because of his whole approach to how he wants to communicate about himself and his campaign. Everything I’ve seen and heard from him and his staff is about being genuine, sincere, warm, caring, and honest. I cannot tell you how sick-to-death I am of all the canned, pre-fabricated, warmed-over, hostile and demeaning strategies and products of modern American political campaigning. Ned’s ads and his public appearances are critical without being inflammatory, honest without being derogatory, and forward-thinking without being full of empty ideas. Moreover, his life has been an example of what it means to be in public service and to honor citizens as an extension of family. We love you Ned for bringing such a revelatory breath of fresh air into our lives at a time when we are completely disillusioned by what has happened to our beloved country right before our very eyes. You will win this race because the contrast and the great divide between you and those who would rather perpetuate such a damaging status quo is vast. I salute you and look forward to building on your momentum.
egregious, you’re e-gorgeous!
With so many being torn apart now, it’s utterly inspiring to read about someone mending broken bodies. Mends our souls, too. Thank you!!
Kurt @ 99
Yeah, I agree with that. I tried to sit through some CNN a few weeks ago – when the Wilsons had their news conference- and I felt that I was from another planet. Or they were. Lou Dobbs was talking about Venezuela and then the conversation shifted to Cuba and he looks meaningfully into the camera and corrects himself “Communist Cuba”.
Oh God, I’m threatened. Hell, if they get a foothold here, they’ll be invading Florida next. I had to turn it off before my head cracked open.
But I did see Ned on Colbert the other night. And a breath of fresh air he is. His whole demeanor, his face, his body language was open, earnest, serious and real. I didn’t see any posturing; no calculation, no hedging and parsing of words, just a guy with a fire in his belly who cared enough to speak the truth.
hello folks,
i’m finally set up in Dresden and have got my iMac OSX firing on all cylinders. it sure is great to read all of the promising news about Lamont. wish i could hop over to Hartford and pitch in but i start to work monday and that just won’t allow for a last minute “road” trip.
CBL (#46) on passion beating money:
i’m reminded of the film “Cuba” in which Sean Connery plays a mercenary brought in to advise the Batista regime about what to do about Castro (before the Revolution). Connery is asked by a colonel, “do you think Fidel can win?” after which Connery replies, rather laconically, “it all depends on whether he is right or not.”
and that kind of succinctly sums up where we are right now:
if we make sure we’re right, and have enough passion, the prize will be ours. the time is right! the signs keep telling us this.
are we right? do we have enough passion?
Ghostman, you do know that the Washington Times is a rightwing rag owned by Sun Myung Moon, right? And that believing what you read there is close to buying the Brooklyn Bridge, right? Did you keep noticing the phrase “as much as” in that story? Think about what that phrase is trying to do . . .
Dang! My comments keep gettin’ gummed up in them dang tubes…
Them tubes is gummed up around here. You think it’ll help if I pour a little rubbin’ alcohol around the back of my computer, so when I try to shoot off a comment, maybe the alcohol will clean out them tubes?
lotus, 101: ma’m, I’m just referencing a news article out on the web. Please save your hysterics for someone else. Does Mr. Lamont own Walmart stock….or not? I don’t know. Nor do I know what dollar amount, if any, he might own.
Ghostman
awesome work, egregious – what a generous, wondeful gift you have made…
FWIW, I cleaned-up Kirby’s cut&paste at comment 106. Reload (refresh F5) to see the easy to read version
Hey, fahrender, glad to have you back! Guess what — yesterday about this time, “Agnes” from Stuttgart stopped in to visit. Y’all may have to found the FDL-Deutschland Chapter one of these days soon . . .
Ghostman, please do not treat lotus in that manner. No one here will stand for it. We are all pretty much focused on this race with a great deal of passion, and we value your comments. Lotus has every right to respond to the message in that article. Please don’t take it personally.
egregious, I hope you’re still here. I am so sorry to say that I missed your birthday, but send you a big belated best wishes. And a standing applause for your charitable journey. All we need is love.
Susan in Iowa @ 103
Lehigh sometimes even gets it right. I think he did this time. From what I can tell from reading him over time, he seems a centrist, at least more centrist than I am.
More and more it looks like Joe is toast, but we can’t rest until it’s over and the ballots are counted. I’m really looking forward to the next 4 days in CT. Love that Nedmentum.
Ghostman, if that’s what you call “hysterics,” you’ve certainly led a sheltered life or have unusually fragile nerves, one.
Ghostman — here’s my rule of thumb in research, the kind that I do as a professional consultant in competitive intelligence.
ALWAYS FIND A SECOND INDEPENDENT SOURCE.
If the second source is fishy, find a third.
Washington Times as a first source is fishy enough to merit three independent validating sources.
By independent I mean no money exchanged between sources, no ownership relationship, no vendor/client relationship, no shared originating source, no ideological ties.
If I were you, I’d consult the FEC reports as a second source, CT election reports as a third, and some other unaffiliated outlet that does not truck with Washington Times.
folks — chill, please
I understand supporting Lamont. How could any thinking person not do so?
But my concern is shared with Billmon, and his lead post this morning is critical: on the most glaring, vital, important point of our existence and way of life at this moment — the rush to WWWIII, with nuclear weapons and all — the Democrats are the “cadet wing” of the war party. Lamont is a vigorous supporter of Israel, as as most Democrats. War with Persia will be as close to the so-called End Times as one can cut it. We WILL use nuclear weapons and they WILL be used against us and our proxies. There will BE no American “economy.” Everything you love and care about will come to an end, and life will be utterly different for the rest of your days.
It’s all well and good to get excited about electing a single Democratic senator who’s against the war in Iraq. But Jesus Christ, we’re not pinning Lamont down nearly enough here. He’d fall right into line with the rest of the pro-Israel lobby and stand numbly by as the world plunges into hell. So what do we do about THAT?
This is a sideshow. A happy sideshow, but a tragic one in the end.
Lamont is more amenable to antiwar reason than Lieberman could ever be …
Jane was one of the producers on Natural Born Killers? You’re kidding. I didn’t know that. Boy, that movie gave me frickin nightmares for weeks. I think it was supposed to. :)
OT but prescient in light of the Ned Lamont phenomanon.
E.J Dione: The End of the Right?
Juan del Llano @ 8:11
The Lebanon thing is winding down. Barring something unusual, there will be a ceasefire in place by Monday-Tuesday.
Barring the US starting crap directly with Syria or Iran (imho unlikely), this particular chapter in the Forever War is over.
The “peace” afterwards is a little trickier. Olmert has little military experience, and his generals are giving him crappy advice. Hezbollah is unlikely to disarm anytime soon, and there is no party in the region both able and willing to make them disarm. No parties want an effective UN force in between the Hezbolistas and Israel either.
So while I would agree with you that replacing pro-war Dems is important for the longterm, we don’t have to be building our fallout shelters just yet.
Just got a follow up email from Ned’s Friends Family & Neighbors coordinator reminding me who I sent a postcard to and reminding me to follow up with them. As somebody who is in the business of digital printing, I cannot emphasize enough how progressive and effective this use of technology is.
I have been evangelizing people for years about this type of marketing, and for the most part it has fallen on deaf ears. Most people would rather mail the same piece to a million people instead of investing more to personalize the message and get a better response rate. IMHO, this tool can revolutionize political direct mail. Way to go Ned, a progressive all the way around.
Juan, you rightfully raise an urgent point about the threat created by the centrality of Israel in American foreign policy. How do we grapple with how we as a nation deal with this crucial stranglehold? We are in so deep it is hard to know where to start. All nations have the right to persist in peace. I’ll read Billmon.
with the LieberThugs yesterday, folk here were worried about Jane’s personal safety. I knew a little of her history and felt she could handle bullies and thugs — you cant be a producer in Hollywood by being a pussycat…
Jane was one of the producers on Natural Born Killers?
Right-o, Terry — and folks who try to get in her face learn it the hard way. Heh!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 26
“It is not clear how many voters in Connecticut pay attention to the bloggers’ efforts. Web traffic statistics showed that on a recent Monday afternoon, only one out of 100 visitors to Firedoglake, one of the bigger national blogs following the primary, was from Connecticut.”
Frankly, that part is a crock. Anyone using AOL will just show on the site meter as “North America” for example.
I use Earthink and am in Fort Worth, Texas but the site meter says Lacey Springs, Alabama! LOL Splain dat? ; )
Makes no difference if Ned owns this or that stock. Ned is standing up for our values and that is the reason we in Ct. will vote for him.
Juan, we’re still waiting for a response from you about your relationship to John Farr’s web site, the one you are linking to.
Wrt Israel, it’s not a monolithic community, Jewish Voice For Peace.
How much have you contributed to Ned’s campaign and how much have you contributed to FDL?
lotus @ 105: It was a great article. Very positive for Ned.
In my morning perusal of news on CT, here’s an interesting post from a RW blog. I’ve no idea where they got the quotes from because they don’t come from the WaPo article they linked to. Wherever they come from, it sounds credible to me:
lotus (#117): good to be back, thanks! somebody else (i forget who) on the FDL wavelength was saying the other day that they were headed to germany to work but i was in EPU time so didn’t think there was any point in saying hello to them.
ghostman (#114). just think about the article. if it says “thousands of dollars of walmart stock”, that could mean less than a hundred shares, which would be a drop in the bucket. not that that would make it that much less regretable. and for the past several years owning walmart stock hasn’t helped anybody. the stock has been dead in the water for some time. couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people (the ones who stand to profit from that bunch of locusts).
fwiw, Jane wrote the original NBK book too…
carolyn urban @
109
I saw that, too. Terrifying.
Also, Jane’s 47? Really? Poodle-ownership must be good for the complexion.
1. The pro-active solution to the news story, and one which I’d hoped someone would pursue, is to alert the Lamont campaign of this story. Thus, his campaign can prepare for response. It’s entirely possible that Mr. Lamont divested awhile back. It’s entirely possible that there is a typo in the filings. And it’s entirely possible that the story is simply inaccurate.
In any event, there exists likelihood that the media will question the Lamont campaign on the matter. They’ll approach the Lamont campaign…they won’t approach “Ghostman”. I’m trying to send a flare up to the Lamont folks….possible trouble out on the wire. Get ready, get prepared.
2. Ms. Lotus, I perceived your comment as an attack. All of my training, almost reflexive, is when shot at…to fire back. If I mis-perceived, then apologies. But no, I do not have a fragile nerves. Anything but.
Wilson’s advice is best, and which I’ll follow. I DO suggest that someone contact the Lamont campaign. I want them ready…that was the whole point of my pointing out the story.
Ghostman
I use Earthink and am in Fort Worth, Texas but the site meter says Lacey Springs, Alabama! LOL Splain dat? ; )
Well now, that’s interesting. Now I wonder whether I myself was the “neighbor in Mims, Florida” whom I welcomed here this morning when medaka’s site-meter showed a visit from that town 10 miles south of me in New Smyrna Beach. Hmmm.
RE the hordes at Ted’s Diner.
From the LA Times:
Is there any possibility that he is this lobbyist Richard Goodstein? Any way to find out?
Juan del Llano…8:11am
You and DefJef ask valid questions regarding the Mideast. I am terribly concerned about those who sometimes seem to support almost blindly the Israeli government’s actions in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. The only response on this issue I can give, and it is perhaps a weak response, is that Ned Lamont doesn’t support the Bush war in Iraq. For that and other reasons, he should, I think replace Lieberman. Senator Lieberman is a hindrance to peace in the Middle East, and very well could be an obstacle to the prevention of WWIII.
when I met Jane on her PoodlePalooza Across America Tour I assumed she was a thirty-something. She wasn’t wearing makeup that I could see …
*ilson at 116, you’re a gem.
lotus @ 141
lotus, DOLL!
did you click my linky? if so, ’twere prolly thee…i am of course thanksful, nonetheless!
Re: the raw story item on Ned’s Wal-Mart stock…The Wash Times source is Senate financial disclosure records, which I don’t have time to go searching for today, and don’t know whether they are available online.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument that Ned and his wife do own stock and so does the trust for his daughter. And let’s take that statement at the end of the article that says something to the effect that the candidates have shopped at Wal-Mart, invested in WM and welcomed WM jobs, but are now telling folks not to save money or not to work there.
Well, that’s not exactly what the message is, is it? I mean isn’t the message here that people who shop at WM or own their stock or who want their communities to have job opportunities have the right to know what kind of employer WM is? Don’t people have the right to then make their decisions based on all the facts about WM? And don’t the people who work there need someone to help them improve their working conditions and benefits?
Now, as to whether Ned owns the stock, this is kind of a Halliburton story all over again, isn’t it? Ned’s a private citizen, and there is a difference between being an investor in a company – you know, where you have to take your own money, and in return get a small return on that investment – and being a sitting US Senator in whom a corporation is investing funds in the hope of a return on its investment.
Ned can divest, get his money back and invest in something else. He doesn’t have to explain whether he did or did not take corporate money, did or did not return a check from WM. Ned hasn’t taken corporate money at all, has he? He’s investing in himself, with the help of individual donations, and I’ll take a candidate like that over someone who’s campaign contributions report reads like the Fortune 500 any day.
*ilson, thanks so much for fixing the post — preview wouldn’t work here, so I couldn’t clean it up myself.
Think for a moment — there is, in my mind, a huge difference between owning stock in a fund managed by a fund manager and accepting campaign contributions. Any competent stock fund manager is going to buy Wal-Mart and Halliburton because they MAKE MONEY!
I’m betting that the Neds of the world, who are busy with volunteer teaching and running his own business and OMG! CREATING jobs and providing workers with health insurance is not micro-managing investments.
Just think of it as using the profits from Wal-Mart and Halliburton to beat Lieberman. It’s all about what you do with the money you make…
New thread upstairs, folks
Subway Serenade @ 81
I agree wholeheartedly. I was going to Meetup’s and MoveOn meetings during that time and folks were finding out via trial and error how to get involved at the state and local level (in CT the old-timer’s weren’t making it easy).
Dean gave people a reason to hope that they could influence party policies and he showed them the mechanisms to use to bring about that change. Kerry took that ball and ran with it.
Dem politicians beware. The base is no longer passive. We expect to be listened to and if we are ignored or worse yet, vilified, there will be consequencies. We hire you – we can fire you.
More on attny Richard Goodstein from Media Matters.
I would love to know if it is the same Goodstein who got in Ned’s face yesterday. Something that would be very easy for a good trial lawyer to do…
I did a Google image search and there were only 4 Goodstein photos — none looking like the guy at the diner.
timewarp @ 142
timewarp, awesome catch.
I hope the NYT’s or the CT Press asks Mr. Goodstein about this at least before they file their stories for Sunday.
I’m going over to the WaPo’s online chat and see if I can get someone interested.
Ghostman, the Weekly World News prints all kinds of goofy crap too…should we follow up on their “leads” too? I hear the Bat Child might be a grandpa by now!
Lot’s of people have mutual funds. Mutual funds have money all over the place, exactly where varying from day to day. Someone who owns shares of the fund have zero control of it, short of not owning any mutuals at all. Even people who directly own shares of a company’s stock usually don’t invest in it directly, they have a financial manager who does so for them. Unless Lamont sits in front of his ETrade program (or whatever), and directly buys Walmart stock, it’s a non-issue.
The Washington Times has zero credibility. It’s the rag Tony Blankley works for for God’s sake. The man that makes Pat Buchanan look centrist. I’d need to see evidence from a real paper with journalists working for it before I’d even take it seriously.
If you feel so strongly about it, why not alert the Lamont campaign yourself?
Yeh, medaka, I wanted to refresh my memory of my choice in choir-robes, doncha know. And just see alla them purties again.
Kurt – we all can’t stand the WT, but the article states that the information came from Senate financial disclosure records – which, presumably, can be checked independently.
Phoebe (#139) and other people commenting on Jane’s being 47:
Jane is hot, no doubt! but haven’t you heard? 47 is the new 29. and for that matter, take a look at Catherine Deneuve. she’s 62 and still worth a lustful gaze.
time to bail out on youth worship, i say. a well-lived life is worth more than a clueless youth (of which our media is filled).
Sorry – I really messed up the comment in 150 and it won’t let me edit.
It should reference a quote from an earlier comment… “Which ever way this election goes, I think everyone needs to reach into the silence of their hearts for a moment and thank Howard Dean.”
My comment was:
I agree wholeheartedly. I was going to Meetup’s and MoveOn meetings during that time and folks were finding out via trial and error how to get involved at the state and local level (in CT the old-timer’s weren’t making it easy).
Dean gave people a reason to hope that they could influence party policies and he showed them the mechanisms to use to bring about that change. Kerry took that ball and ran with it.
Dem politicians beware. The base is no longer passive. We expect to be listened to and if we are ignored or worse yet, vilified, there will be consequencies. We hire you – we can fire you.
Ghostman – “All my training, almost refexive, is when shot at…to fire back.”
And what training are you referencing exactly – just askin’ – cause it may explain a lot…or not.
:)
John Casper, I have no idea if it is “real” catch, but definately worth looking into!
Cozumel 8:21 am – that bit in NYT blogger article about the CT web traffic was very misleading. Given the volume of traffic this site has and the relative size of the state of connecticut, I’m AMAZED at 1-to-100 volume from CT. There’s not that from my state MI and we’re considerably larger in terms of population, about 3X the size.
Anne 8:30 am – Ditto what you said. I would not be one bit surprised to find Ned and family invested in an index fund, which would be a prudent move rather than leave money in cash exposed to increasing inflation. If he were in SPY, for example, he’d probably own a bit of whatever is in the S&P 500 — but the key point is that SPY is NOT managed by him. The other issue is whether whatever investments Lamont has are under his direction. We know of Republicans who’ve pointedly lied or deceived the public about their so-called blind trusts or their ability to profit from deferred investments; these are far more egregious offenses since these people already hold office and have made money on these investments during their tenure in no small part because of their offices. Cheney and Frist come to mind, and Frist may yet be prosecuted for his lying.
I don’t understand the hubbub over Lamont’s investments when we are being screwed daily by Cheney and Frist. Where’s the outrage?
OMG — just read the mydd link. If it is the same Richard Goodstein, it is Big Pharma…
Lame. Lame. Lame.
[edit: whoops, posted on wrong thread! Too many FDL windows open….]
ot: for those interested in the lovely and talented Jane’s Hwood career . . . a great read!!!!
Killer instinct : how two young producers took on Hollywood and made the most controversial film of / Jane Hamsher.
FWIW: ned owns walmart stock??? —- STFW?
kirby (#148):
i don’t know about “any competent fund manager buying walmart”. it hasn’t done squat in the past several years. it might do ho-hum o.k. but there is a long list of better places to put money, and by better, i don’t mean more ethical.
stay in your basements….Ned’s already commented on the wal-mart stock.
http://www.time.com/time/natio…..48,00.html
Juan del Llano,
I think everyone here shares your fears and concerns about war and the future of our planet. And the question is, what can we do about it?
I think here, the model is action. Take action, do what you can, start locally, get up and do something.
The U.S. has played a key role in creating the mess that the world is now in, so it is up to Americans to try to undo the damage. I know I’m not alone in feeling despair at the profound ignorance of the American public. We have been lulled in this country into forgetting the People hold political power. But I think that is beginning to change, in great part because of many individual efforts, such as those of Jane and Christy. There does seem to be a groundswell of opposition to policies of this country – and most notably – to the war in Iraq, and to broadening that war.
Will it be enough? I really don’t know. I’m afraid to look over my shoulder. Instead I’m phoning my Senators, donating to Ned and those like him, volunteering in my local democratic campaign.
Ned is a voice of reason. If it weren’t for his efforts and the efforts of those supporting him, we’d be facing another six years of Joe, telling us we must support the president in wartime and not dare to criticize any of his decisions. We’ve got to start somewhere. And throwing out a bush suckup like Joe seems a good place to start.
Twisted Martini @ 129
I have been evangelizing people for years about this type of marketing, and for the most part it has fallen on deaf ears.
Me too, TM. In a national campaign, it could be SO effective.
Before I read through this thread, I had wanted to say that before I knew anything else at all about Ned Lamont, I supported him as a citizen who “got it”. I’ll add at this point that I’m a Michigan citizen and unfortunately I can’t vote in CT for Lamont…and I’m also a Deaniac going way back, still a DFA organizer here.
What Ned gets is that every citizen in this country needs to do more than simply vote to ensure democracy. Voting is merely the lowest level of participation, and as we’ve seen from the lack of integrity of our voting system, it’s simply not enough. Under today’s administration, Ned could have simply bought the democracy he wanted, given his position in business; he could have retained his comfortable lifestyle and only inconvenienced himself with the occasional meeting with his Congressional reps, purchased with a nice donation. He could have lived the life of the uppermost decile in this country, immune to the tribulations that most of us suffer every day.
But he didn’t.
He had the moral fortitude to do what Howard Dean did, speak forthrightly about what was in his mind and heart while exposing himself and his family to all the hardwork and inevitable nastiness that comes from being a public figure. Dean could just as easily have sat back on his background and earned a comfortable life, but his ethics dictated he roll up his sleeves and get to the business of serving the greater good, as Governor of Vermont and as a candidate for president. He continued to put himself at our service after the primary when he came to the Deaniacs in each state and asked us what he should do next — start a third party, run again, or fix what was obviously wrong in the Democratic Party. We told him, he listened, and he’s doing our work. In turn, he also told each one of us Deaniacs that we must be willing to run for every single office in this country, from dogcatcher to president, if we were going to save our democracy.
Lamont listened and obviously heard that message, and took it to heart and made the commitment — to the people of Connecticut.
Contrast this to a seated Senator who could not be bothered to “come home” for 6 years, in the words of his own staff.
I admire anyone who steps up and takes it upon themselves to run for office; I know I can’t do it, won’t expose my family to what’s required. It’s an enormous challenge. But I admire even more the citizen that is willing to become a servant-leader, one who will listen to vox populi with their heart as much as their head, who will truly sacrifice their personal resources of time, money and family to serve us, the people.
That’s why I support Ned Lamont.
I’ve come to realize this definitely is a one-issue race, although I wouldn’t have said so recently. The issue isn’t what any pundit has cited so far, including the war. The issue is whether the incumbent listens to and serves the people as their representative, which is the fundament of democracy. That’s the essential question we face as voters everywhere across these United States: does this person or that person represent us?
The Democratic voters of CT will answer that question for themselves on Tuesday morning, just I will here in MI in regards to another slate of potential representatives. Were Ned Lamont among my choices, I’d choose him to be my democratic representative then and again in November; believe me, I wish most fervently I could vote for him.
Carolyn Urban and others having trouble posting – I use a mac and cannot post in safari at all. Sometimes I can’t even get to FDL with it. I had to revert to the hated Netscape for it all to work right again. FWIW.
Terre @ 136
Check the rest of the site, it’s a parody site, and a pretty darn funny one, at that.
Anne at 92 Please know that we are all with you in spirit – and you know how powerful FDL love is!!
Ever see the movie, The Fifth Element? That’s me. I can save the world–yay bipolar, but I need love to do it. Seriously. In 2001 I had just finished building a 7 bed ICU and a 5-room operating suite for congenital surgery at $tupendou$ co$t to the management, psychological even more than fiscal.
After 9/11 the Russian governing council voted something like 18 to 2 NOT to support the U.S. One of the 2 was a Senator who knew of our work and personally thanked me for helping save the lives of their newborns. Apparently 2 plus the President is a majority! And the government declared they would help us in the war against terrorism.
That we have totally squandered our moral advantage, including with the Russians, MAKES ME ANGRY. We were making progress, showing that nations who were enemies could work together, at least agreeing that saving babies was a good thing.
But now we have no credibility. Medically my work is valuable, but politically all the goodwill built up over many years is totally down the drain. Thanks, Bush/Cheney & Corrupt Co.
Thanks to all for words of encouragement. It matters more than you might imagine. [Ref — bipolar people/megalomania/saving the world but quitting at every available opportunity]
Egregious, You’re right, we’ve destroyed our and any good will. But then there are people like you. What you are doing is so important, in so many ways.
And by the way, Happy Belated Birthday.
destroyed our credibility
Reverend Jesse Jackson can certainly speak for me !
egregious – you make a huge point in connecting the difficulties of being able to continue the work you are doing with the death of goodwill for the US, and it makes it real for all of us in a way that resonates to the core.
I share your anger that the bridges you personally helped to build through your hard work are being burned by those at the highest levels of government. There are times when I think our leaders get in the way more than they help, especially when it comes to making and keeping the connections that bond us as human beings.
Continued support and love for all you are doing – it energizes me to work that much harder to get these execrable excuses for people out of positions of power – and keep them out.
[had to edit this - what I originally said made it sound like your work was the reason for the death of goodwill, and that wasn’t what I was trying to say!]
Yeah, I stood in line twice when God gave out opinions and missed the call for brains.
opp99 @ 170:
Did you check out the comments and the list of blogs they link to? Pretty anti-Dem if you ask me.
ATT: Bruce at 7:10AM above
One of the beauties of Ned is, he not only comes free of any baggage politically, (ties to lobbyists and Corporations), he has enough money of his own he will not fall prey like Joe did to courting by them, with trips, gifts, meals, etc.
For you out of staters who would like to help, have you seen this?
Will you call voters to help Ned Lamont win?
The race has acquired national significance: as the New York Times wrote in endorsing Lamont, it “has become a referendum on [Lieberman’s] warped version of bipartisanship, in which the never-ending war on terror becomes an excuse for silence and inaction.”1
Eighty-five percent of Connecticut MoveOn members voted to endorse Lamont. Now we need to help him win. Turnout in primaries is notoriously low, and victory on Tuesday will depend on who votes. Will you spend 30 minutes tonight or this weekend calling progressives and reminding them to vote? Sign up now:
http://political.moveon.org/ph…..cA&t=2Not only will you help Lamont win—we’re calling into parts of Connecticut where Republican members of Congress face very tight races. So with each call, you’ll also help take back the House in November.
Terre @ 177
Read the articles. The blogroll is just staying in character.
Hey Christy! I have a suggestion:
This paragraph:
This was, unfortunately, the part of the campaigning where John Kerry failed to close the deal, the reasons to vote for him and not just against George Bush – for which I will never, ever forgive Bob Shrum, by the way.
I think in cases like this, where Bob Shrum or some other obscure (to me) reference is made, it is helpful to link the name to the WikiPedia entry:
This was, unfortunately, the part of the campaigning where John Kerry failed to close the deal, the reasons to vote for him and not just against George Bush – for which I will never, ever forgive Bob Shrum, by the way.
Great article. While I don’t support many of the positions that Lieberman has taken in the past, I’m tired of hearing the really negative anti-Lieberman rhetoric. I think its really counter-productive.
There really is another reason to vote for Ned Lamont. Its Ned Lamont.
Nice work.
I agree there are man reasons to vote
FOR Ned Lamont. While the media tries to claim he’s a one issue candidate and the votes are just anti-phony Joe, that’s false.
Lamont is impressive speaker with honesty and integrity. He’ll fight energy bills that subsidize oil companies. He’ll fight to protect Social Security BEFORE te fight is over. And he won’t be bought by lobbyists. The reasons to vote FOR Ned Lamont are endless.