The Joe Lieberman Rude and Crude Squad made the local papers this morning.
…Lieberman supporters piled into every booth at the tiny eatery and snatched up every seat at the counter roughly half an hour before Lamont’s scheduled arrival. Then, as he walked down the sidewalk from Sherman Avenue, they threw on white Lieberman T-shirts and waited. Moments later, they pounced.
Initially, Lamont appeared stunned by the ambush. However, he remained composed throughout the ordeal. He attempted to answer each question and made an effort to shake many of his opponent’s supporters’ hands at the second of two campaign stops in the city Thursday. After both sides sparred for several minutes, Lamont left the restaurant without ever sampling one of Ted’s famous steamed cheeseburgers.
“It’s disappointing. We’re trying to have a civil race and I didn’t hear anyone ask me about the issues in there. I think that’s been Joe’s tactic all along,” Lamont said outside the restaurant minutes later. “He won’t do a debate, but he’ll hire these people to do what they’re doing.” “We were coming just to show him a local business and you hide in there and put your shirts on at the last moments — it’s childish,” said Millie Torres Ferguson to a Lieberman supporter. Torres-Ferguson is House Majority Leader Christopher G. Donovan’s executive assistant. "It was supposed to be a laid-back event and (they) ruined it."
"We’re just using our right. We’re just exercising our rights to enjoy a burger," said Lieberman supporter Alex Hoffman of Boston….
Ahhh, yes, the weaselly "I didn’t do anything" approach to acceptance of responsibility. (Yep, I’ve never heard that one before as a prosecutor. *rolls eyes*) Good one, Alex, and completely believeable given your screaming friends, the shoving of a Connecticut senior citizen and the bloodied nose of a journalist covering the event. And, how was that burger? Wonder if Alex, from Boston, was paid $60 for the day to be rude to local Connecticut residents? Classy.
See here and here and here and here for more.
There were reports that a senior citizen was shoved, and that a photographer for one of the news services got a bloody nose in the Lieber-scrum, so I thought a little discussion on the elements of criminal assault and battery might be in order. (No particular reason. Why do you ask?)
Assault is defined as: A crime that occurs when one person tries to physically harm another in a way that makes the person under attack feel immediately threatened. Actual physical contact is not necessary; threatening gestures that would alarm any reasonable person can constitute an assault.
Battery is defined as: A crime consisting of physical contact that is intended to harm someone. Unintentional harmful contact is not battery, no mater how careless the behavior or how severe the injury. A fist fight is a common battery; being hit by a wild pitch in a baseball game is not.
As a public service, I’m just providing some general definitions for your perusal. If you are in Connecticut, say, and someone gets physical with you while, just hypothetically speaking of course, wearing a Lieberman shirt and is paid by the Lieberman campaign to create a scene in a packed diner, and you feel threatened and all…well, you might want to contact the local authorities and discuss the meaning of assault and how you are feeling. You know, just to be certain that you fully understand the definition…and that the person with whom you had icky interaction understands it as well. I’m just saying.
But wait, there is more. And this is my favorite part of the whole saga. Do you see the fellow in the middle of the picture above? Well, here he is from earlier this week, I have confirmed, stealing a sign from a small child:
Same guy. Stealing signs from children and helping to rough up senior citizens — all in the same week. Nice paid campaign folks you have there, Joe.
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Wow
Just… wow.
MR. LAMONT!!
Those guys are assholes, obviously. Typical RedState thuggery, just co-opted for the reddest Dem in Congress.
Just dropped Juan Carlos the kitty off at the vet. He’s running a very high fever and they aren’t sure why.
Updates as they come in.
Would really like to know if this guy was paid hooligan from out of state or instate roughians. It is probably a good assumption that he would have to be out-of-town.
Millie Torres Ferguson to a Lieberman sup porter. Torres-Ferguson is House Majority Leader Christo pher G. Donovan’s executive assistant. […] Lieberman supporter Alex Hoffman of Boston
Huh. Could somebody tell me again how all of Lamont’s support comes from out of state? You can’t? Oh, okay…
…and on ‘race baiting’, why is that twenty to thirty something white guy ripping a sign out of the hands of a six year old black child? What? you don’t want to discuss race baiting anymore? Okay, so your defense is that your astro-turf supporters are just bullying, thuggish assholes and not racists? Okay, I’ll give you that. If you want it. I think it’s the best you got.
anybody taking bets on how long it takes the Liebermans to announce they’re moving out of Connecticut for good? and to which tony Virginia suburb they’ll be repairing? I understand Maryland is for Democrats. (Never been to either state, meself.)
This sounds so much like those republican’ts. Joe should be ashamed! I thought he was the one with “so much integrity.” NOT!!!!
Wow. That Lieberman would allow this speaks volumes about his true character.
Man, I’m trying just to breathe.
OK, so now we are learning about all the levels of desperation, and I’m starting to think we have not seen the bottom.
Lieberman = Smeagol.
Trex – glad to hear that JC is at least at the vet’s being taken care of. The night before I was to leave for Duluth after the accident where my daughter-in-law was killed and Cody was in surgery not sure he would survive, my cat suddenly stopped eating. And even tempting him, as you tried, with his favorite canned food did not help. I took him to the vet and they hydrated him and he stayed there while I was gone.
I did feel much more assured that whatever was wrong they would treat it. Much better than leaving him home alone. It turns out he had eaten some yarn and had some terrible furballs. While he did not eat or drink at the vet’s (too scared) they kept him hydrated.
He was so happy to see me when I picked him up that he threw up his hairball and yarn, started eating, and has been good since.
Just looked at Ned’s site, one comment was that there needs to be a video blogger there to capture the moment. Good idea!
That picture tells it all. It’s a game to the kid and then when he is confronted by real people.
“Whaaa??? I didn’t do anything. I was just exercising my rights.”
I got called into work tonight, but I would love to meet their enthusiasm with an enlistment form. “Sign up or Shut up, buddy.”
On my offense-o-meter:
undoctored photo of thug grabbing sign from child
much more offensive than
photoshopped work of Joe clinging to Bubba
Atrios alerts us to a lobbyist working that diner for Joe via mydd:
http://mydd.com/story/2006/8/4/11191/05211
Oooh, a Ned commercial just came on my Air America station. It’s good, with the honking horns about the high gas prices. I like it.
First I heard it.
Stoller has a new blockbuster news item on the event here.
Check this out-
http://mydd.com/story/2006/8/4/11191/05211
oops- beaten to it…
UptownNYChick @ 14
oh, I hope they’re streaming it…but I guess that wouldn’t make much sense, financials-wise.
Incredible that Leiberman would allow such Brownshirt tactics. Meanwhile, Editor & Publisher has a story that says a Gallup Poll shows Lieberman now more popular with Republicans than Democrats. Hardly surprising.
It’s widely suspected that many of Lieberman’s paid supporters are College Republicans.
Following Matt’s previous search for photos – I googled “CT College Republicans” and while only a few photos came up, I thought it was ironic that one of Lieberman was near the top.
OT- This is a doozy. Christy, any lawyers in the house? Is this ethical conduct? If you read the article, it sounds like it is.
“Federal prosecutors are unsure whether they should issue indictments for members of Congress prior to the November elections, as the decision might “throw their congressional races into disarray,” The WALL STREET JOURNAL is reporting today.”
The story about the lobbyist being the harrasser is huge IMO. These are the same guys that would (will?) fund the independent run. Joe is the lobbyist’s best friend and they do not want to lose him.
Pin Joe to all the lobbyist money (granted all politicians get the money but joe probably has more to his credit that many) and it will definitely take a turn against him.
EPU’d from last thread:
timewarp @
142
and this:
timewarp @
151
Christy,
Do you have a comparable definition for “conspiracy” handy? It seems to me that we’ve got a group of people here who made plans in advance to do mischief, and another group who paid for the mischief-makers . . .
BTW, anyone know if the diner owner was interviewed by the press?
It would be great if we could get this framed as a modern-day version of Florida 2000, get pictures and identities of the protesters and get it out there that this is a professional job.
As the primary draws near, anyone in the know please post info and links about watching results. I see popcorn in our future. And lotus is having a lovely spread.
Christy, maybe a good future topic for “pull up a chair” is what we eat when we celebrate.
The boys from Boston?
Yeah, they’re republicans.
Hell, Lieberman’s campaign manager is a republican!
Although I never liked Lieberman much, this campaign has brought his creepy and duplicitous persona into sharp relief.
I hope the voting systems in Connecticut are verifiable.
Way OT but nice news: It’s Helen Thomas’s birthday today. I think it’s her 87th.
Connecticut still uses the old-fashioned clunky big mechanical voting machines …
Helen was on Stephanie Miller’s show the other day. She is as funny as she is wise.
Happy Birthday Helen!
I am a bit slow on the uptake at times, but is Joe’s bus really green? Is he trying to replicate Wellstone’s green bus? hahahahahaha
Joe cannot, and never will, hold a candle to Paul’s morality, humanity, honesty, integrity, and … Gees, hope they have that green bus in storage. Would love to see it make another showing at campaign time.
And on a happy note for MN, Amy Klobachar is way ahead of the evil Mr. Kennedy for Mark Dayton’s seat. If we can get rid of him, and hopefully make his house seat a dem, MN will be a much bluer place.
*ilson
Thank God!
Don’t forget about Patricia Madrid in NM. Heather Wilson has got to go!
maybe Big Pharma Hadassah arranged for her cohort, Richard Goodstein, to help hubby ?
*ilson46201 35 — exxxactly what I was just thinkin’.
This thing is getting down and dirty. JFK once said of Nixon something to this effect: the man ain’t got no class. Same could be said of Joseph Lieberman and his hard-boiled mob of diehard supporters. Reminds of the way management used to employ union busters to do their obscene bidding. Perhaps this kind of disgraceful performance by the Liebernauts will backfire.
Pachacutec @ 15
OMG, Pach that is so greatly, fabulously INCRIMINATING…
Who is this GODDAMM clown?
Can you guys Lexusnexus his
stanky solarplexus?
Peee-yewe!
sleepytime here on the W edge of the Pac rim –
can’t wait to hear what good stuff y’all are diggin up for tomorrow…
I hate this kind of snide, smarmy, fake-innocent, fake-civil high-school crap. I hated it twenty years ago when I was the nerdy kid, and I hate it today.
meta 20
That typemeta @
20
This is not unheard of behaviour. if Prosecutors do not think anything will be gained by a short delay in indictment, then they lik eto let the voters have a say first. It ends up making for a much less difficult prosecution if the target has already been voted out of office. The prosecutor also can use this as a lever in plea negotiations.
Of course, if they are holding back for overtly partisan reasons (not to hurt the home team) that is illegal. The line, I know, is a thin one. In my opinion, prosecutors should indict when the GJ is ready to go and ignore entirely the election cycle. Of course, that itself can create some good defense arguments (political prosecution, etc.)
Christy, LHP and others might have a different take.
Lieberman’s augering into the ground now. This is embarrassingly pitiful.
Here is more on Goodstein.
Helen, you fabulous babe, happy birthday!!
The other thing that really bothers me about Joe hiring young people to bully is the idea that he thinks it’s OK to support and encourage that kind of behavior in young people. Nice role model, Joe. You are so going down.
Niters, medaka honey. Sleep tight and let only that one bedbug bite!
LIAR Lieberman learned well from Miss Piggy Rove!……I hope he gets SWAMPED in this primary, so that he can’t even show that goulish mug of his!
The latest e-mail:
>>>>>>>>
Imm, thanks so much for your opinion. I’m hopelessly naive in these things. Your explanation makes sense.
Happy Happy Birthday, Helen, you goddess, you!
Lieberman and his henchman are about as much “liberals” as you are a human being. Meaning, not particularly at all.
Christy
Great tutorial on A and B. I might just add this CT criminal statute for your (and any Lamont volunteers’) perusal:
I would imagine that anyone who forcibly blocks any volunteer from entering or exiting any building, or who takes a political sign away from a child without that child’s consent, (which consent, we know, cannot be given under the law) would fall under this statute.
oh D-Hoggs, dollface!
Who be payin’ you to shill your pretty
white suburban girlieboy-ass over here,
bucket-rump?
Share the love, girl!
Share your email!
Chemical lobbyists from DC sitting in diners in Connecticut to interfere with the democratic process. Lieberman has adopted the “Brooks Brothers riot” strategy. What a piece of crap.
It reminds me of the shame in Florida, with John Bolton declaring, “My name is John Bolton and I’m here to stop this recount.”
bitte ziehen Sie nicht die trolls ein
kirby 46
I would bet dolloars to donuts that Greenwich is a heavily Republican district. Gearing up to support HoJo in the general?
meta @
25
I am not sure where you are, but I just heard the local NPR station, WNYC, is doing live primary night coverage of the Conn. race.
I, unfortunately, have to work that night so I will be following along online at http://www.wnyc.com
http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;1818711
Looks like someone identified that Goodstein character. Apparently he is a pharmacuetical lobbyist from NY
lotus @ 45
thanks, lotus!
had to spew just a wee bit of venom at that liebertroll …
i know, i know! don’t feed! but it DOES help me sleep better!
seeya tomorra!
Welcome to Weimar. Look, guys, I’ll disclose at the start that I am 1) not a CT resident 2) I’m a Jew 3) I’m farther left than most. But the one thing I’m watching here is the destruction of consensus. Someone once told me that you shouldn’t do what you don’t want done to you. What I’m seeing here is a bunch of people on all sides proposing that the ends justify the means. Good luck.
Shorter Richard Goodstein: “I think Ned Lamont has the potential to do grievous harm to my wallet.”
How’s he gonna keep up the payments on his Hair Club for Men?
If the Lieber Youth (aka College Republicans) like a good fight so much, I’m surprised they’re not in Iraq to support the troops that they want to keep over there indefinitely. No, actually, I’m not surprised–they only want to attack unarmed senior citizens and people holding cameras.
Lets ask the concern trolls to balance the admittedly tacky drawing w/ a paid gang of insane thugs committing assault and battery upon many, and attacking veterans. Which is worse?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Jesus, Joe hits a new low EVERY day!!! Organized thuggery a la Tom Delay. Pathetic. God, Joe is a PUTZ. What a f’n amateur!
This is newsworthy, especially in light of Stoller’s find – paid disrupters with photo evidence. Love It! I’d imagine the local press would run with this as the race seems to be like crack around here – no one can get enough.
Maybe we need a little organized email campaign???
Uptown, thanks so much. I’m in San Francisco, so it will definitely be online for me, too. GO NED!
see, that’s what i get for not x-r-sizing some restraint
in this here civilized parlour…
said troll’s already been trex’d….
patience = WAY virtue, eh?
Late to the party again.
Sorry
Goodstein’s clients might be interested in what he’s been doing these days. Air Products and Chemicals provides some helpful info to do just that . . .
Corporate Headquarters
Air Products and Chemicals, Inc.
7201 Hamilton Boulevard
Allentown, PA 18195-1501
USA
Telephone: 610-481-4911
Fax: 610-481-5900
E-mail: info@airproducts.com
They might be particularly interested to hear from any medical professionals . . .
In Time (emphasis mine):
Now this is interesting. Goodstein, Lieberman and the south Florida Jewish vote…
Do NOT feed the trolls.
Two for one
Per *ilson above “maybe Big Pharma Hadassah arranged for her cohort, Richard Goodstein, to help hubby?”
Hope the CT Press can connect the dots from Goodstein to Hadassah to Joezoe. That will put the Diner stories above the fold for the Sunday papers and Russert can ask Joezoe about it on MTP.
End it on Tuesday!
Non alimenti prego i trolli !
Perhaps a pro-active solution is for Mr. Lamont’s campaign to quietly notify the local cops on his trips today of the “potential” for problems, referencing yesterday’s conduct. Perhaps just one or 2 uniformed cops standing around might quiet things.
Ghostman
medaka signs off wid a 707!
I have a question, and I’m sure it’s already been answered here, but I can’t find it, and I know that the fdl’ers will indulge me.
Lieberman, according to MyDD, is abandoning his GOTV campaign and is saving his money for the general. Didn’t I read just yesterday that he’s turned in only about 600 signatures to get on the general ballot, and isn’t he required to have 6,000 or so?
I feel like I missed something somewhere, and that’s embarrassing.
And Stephen #34, you rock. Heather is history.
mc @ 69
YEAH, hear hear!
and see y’all tomorrow Firedogs.
You are all the best. shizz. ever!
And more Goodstein:
Yes, do not feed any dissenting opinions yee of such great progressiveness. Warning, this post will bee deleted in 3…2…
merciless at 75
Many think that Lieberman is sitting on his petitions to turn in after he loses the primary.
Lobbyists and the Young Rethuglicans too, how nice for Joe.
as an investor in Vanguard’s index funds–SP500 and Total Market–I bet I own stock in halliburton and walmart
Nice work, lotus.
That separates Ned from the purchase.
That’s more than enough plausible deniability for me, just ask Bill Frist.
The fact that Ned is independently wealthy doesn’t hurt him with the voters. If he was home every day managing his portfolio, he wouldn’t have time to oust Joezoe.
MacHeath (#58):
So where’s the knife Mac? we’ve already been “done to us”, and we’re being pretty civil with our payback. it’s the ruffians noted in numerous posts above who’ve resorted to the dirtier means………….
merciless @ 74
The current guess is that he’s going to try to gather all of his signatures this weekend. Can he do it? Absolutely. But he’s courting disaster on two fronts. The Monday papers would be all over it, and if he doesn’t get enough signatures, he could lose the primary AND be unable to run as an “independent”.
the petitions have to be handed in to a central site by August 9th after they have been certified by multitudinous local registrars. Essentially all the signatures (7500 plus 50%) have to have already been turned in to the locals for certification checking.
Depending on details of timing , it’s indeed possible that the Joe4Joe Party is already toast …
medaka (75): toodles!
Who here will be up in CT this weekend?
Peterr @
66
Peterr, you are pure genius.
lisadawn82 @ 87
I will – Saturday-Wednesady!
Speaking of Boston, Globe columnist Scott Lehigh on the campaign: An Underwhelming Speil
and cartoon:
A Man of Faith
This Richard Goodstein thought he could come be a thug and then go home (which I will not post here or anywhere else).
With one click, I have his home phone and address. If he wants to be a thug, he’s going to have to find out the hard way that that era is over and he is not anonymous.
.
Ghost, I like your thought, but in several cases the local cops have been very supportive of Joe and tried to intimidate Ned’s people, eg spazeboy. In defense of the cops, Joe’s people may be giving the cops bad information, but that the environment.
The only thing saving Ned and his people are the cameras.
lisadawn82 @ 88
I have to work tomorrow night, but I am driving up on Sunday to stay until Tuesdday a.m.
Frank,
I could gather 7,000 signatures in a couple of malls over a weekend. It is a very low number, so I think Lieberman will make it. But the Monday newspaper thing is a real problem for the primary. I suspect that Lieberman will seek the signatures because he already knows he has probably already lost the primary so the bad PR can’t hurt him.
These tactics remind me of the first stolen bush election. Remember when they imported all those screaming repub scum to yell and shut-down the elction re-count?
Some likened it to a putsch.
Ahhh, democracy is severely wounded and damaged in today’s America.
Sorry, the parenthetical statement was supposed to follow the second sentence: “With one click, I have his home phone and address (which I will not post here or anywhere else).”
.
Morning Firepups.
Goodstein is a slicky DC lawyer, a former adviser to Clinton. Maybe Gore, too. I can’t remember, but I’ve definitely seen his name associated with Clinton’s admin. I’m sure someone will find it. And I’m almost positive he had some involvement in RGJoe’s 2004 PresidentiaI campaign, too.
I smell a pissing-his-pants DLC shill.
Grand Moff Texan, good choice.
Don’t post his contact information. That would boomerang in a heartbeat and make Goodstein and his family the victim.
The good thing about this thread is that hopefully, it will cause the press covering the campaign to pick it up.
Grand Moff, appreciate your passion (and your stylish writing), but no threats — veiled or otherwise — here, please. That’s Joe’s MO, not Ned’s.
*ilson46201 @
84
I won’t be crying a river over that one.
Many of us speculated that the price of the Big Dog visit was no independent run.
Frank Probst @ 83
Don’t all the signatures need to be verified? Is there going to be enough time for that to be done on Monday and Tuesday? Or does the CT election law just say the petitions need to be in by Wed., and signature verification comes later?
And on edit, I see that this was answered while I was typing. The lieberyouth will be busy over the weekend, I guess.
Grand Moff Texan @
95
I understood everything you said.
the signatures have to be verified locally on the day before and on Election Day? the registrars love that shit! Election Day is crazy enough without loonies coming in at the last minute and demanding immediate action! as I recall, local laws give the registrars up to 2 weeks for the examination and certification process…
Urban Pirate and UptownNYchich – Where will you guys be working/staying? I’m driving up tomorrow in the early hours to be at Meriden by 1pm until the polls close on Tuesday. I’ll buy the first beer Saturday evening if we’re working close by.
Lisa
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..26523.html
ANybody see this?
Or this?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..26524.html
Does anyone know whether Richard Goodstein goes by “Rick,”
Or “Dick.”
Frank and ilson, thanks for the info. Sounds like Joe is playing a very dangerous game here, if he’s cutting it that close. He’s really quite mad, isn’t he? Does he really think those big donors and boots are going to stick around if he can’t even win his own primary?
Mr. Casper….yeah, actually, some days ago I wrote a comment highly critical of that cop who forced the kiss float to leave some Lieberman rally. And next, as you mention, I read of the spazboy episode. A problem. Cameras might work. Hope they do.
Ghostman
apple pie @ 95
The more appropriate comparison is here, from an anti-Tom DeLay site, with pictures and everything:
Emphasis mine.
Scroll down into the article. This thing got horribly ugly.
Normally, Susan over at Brazos River is absolutely hilarious. She couldn’t be on this day.
Hee, hee! I got distracted in EPU-land by being inspired to google Richard Goodstein after reading that article, and I come here and find out everyone else had the same idea!
Strategy tip: If you’re a lobbyist and “Democratic strategist” in town pretending to be a grassroots supporter, don’t be the one who talks to the press.
I see it as another example of the sense of entitlement in the Lieberman campaign. This awful rabble has the impertinence to challenge the Great Man, so there’s nothing wrong with shouting them down, right?
But the best bit was timewarp’s find about Goodstein’s frequent appearances as an analyst on Fox and MSNBC!
EPU’d but maybe pertinent – those whose comments keep disappearing – are you using safari? I switched back to the hatede Netscape and all was right again.
Immanentize -99
“Many of us speculated that the price of the Big Dog visit was no independent run.”
So maybe my Sentator Boxer’s tag along after Big Dog that Monday – and her angry defensive posturing and blithering for HoJo may yet redeem her miserable self in her own eyes anyway. ;~)
I see you guys are already onto it, but can you believe that Lieberman is using lobbyists to come out to heckle Lamont?
That pretty much says it all. Lieberman, like the rest of the Republicans, is bought and paid for.
I mean … the estate tax-minimum wage thing … it’s just so obvious that individual dollars, not individual constituents, are what get people elected and control their votes once they are elected.
Why doesn’t every democratic candidate point to the fact that they tacked the estate tax provision onto the minimum wage bill as incontroverible proof that they are represented the interests of the top 1% against those of everyone else? Can’t we get a candidate who can hammer that point home in simple english?
Why can’t the working people see that? It’s so infuriating.
I’d give my left tit to be in Conn. with you guys (and I like my left tit, its the perky one).
Go Lamont!
Redshift @
109
Exactly my thoughts. And this guy gets paid for this? Really, really stupid. Perhaps he’s also the one who greases Short Ride’s appearances on Faux?
I have a question for the legal types out there.
What happens to a campaign war chest after a candidate looses? I know it can be rolled over to a new campaign, but what if the candidate is booted out of office altogether? I am really curious as to what HoJo can and cannot do with his vast millions?
Anne Holliday @ 111
I hope! I think, back when the plans were made, and if I had been Joe, I would have traded Clinton’s assumed 2% bump for no independent run, because if he got 2% he would take the primary. But Lamont is just a great campaigner and the need for 2 became a need for 16!
Isn’t addiction to power a terrible thing?
The deadline for turning in the 7500 valid signatures is 5PM Wednesday. If they have not been verified as valid or invalid before that time and date, there is no opportunity to get additional signatures.
Sending petition holders to the polls on Tuesday may be the best place to corner HoJo supporters — if there are any left!!!
well, it could just be that the LieberYouth are shitting themselves about losing their jobs come Wednesday. Have you seen the unemployment numbers recently?
I just got through writing another letter to Barbara Boxer. Being from California, I am trying to put as much pressure as a single person can on Boxer to support Lamont if he wins next week.
I am asking that all California residents, who contribute to or read FDL, to please contact Boxer as well and urge her to support Lamont and ask Lieberman not to run as an independent if he should lose in the primary.
The more people that contact her, the more chance there is that she will change her mind and support Lamont.
The momentum is with Senator Lieberman going into the home stretch as he is endorsed by yet another Connecticut newspaper today: Ned Lamont’s hometown paper, the Greenwich Time.
______________
Ah, yes, the momentum is with your campaign…
Greenwich Times is a conservative paper that generally supports the status quo. And since 99.9% of folks living in Greenwich belong to country clubs, the issue simply does not have legs.
How pathetic! What piss poor campaign!
WHOA. Huge anti-American, anti-Israel demonstration in Iraq today:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..mi_ea/iraq
after Joe loses, he can use that political fund for anything political or charitable as he wishes as long as it is not converted to personal use…
Not OT in the least:
100,000 March Against U.S. and Israel in Baghdad
all well and good to comment here but this incident needs wider coverage then the blogs….it needs to be on cable news tonight…especially the photo of mr goodman at the lamont rally juxtaposed with his official BIG PHARMA photo….
did Alex from Boston come to CT on Mr Goodman’s dime??? a question that needs to be asked….is BIG PHARMA importing GOONS for Lieberman? another question that needs to be asked…but NOT here…these things need to be asked of the Meida..both local to CT and the national outlets.
I just did my part…I wrote to my media list asking these questions and I cc’d the Lieberman campaign so they KNOW we are asking these questions…wont you take a moment or two and write to your media list.
*ilson46201 @ 122
He will donate it to the Lieberman Foundation, a 501-c3 for the care and feeding of unemployed former Connecticut Senators.
when Lieberman people trot out the word “momentum” , watch out! We all know how well Joementum worked out in 2004 !
Good God, this is horrific. Rummy, Pace, and Abizaid just lost their lunch.
Kurt:
It’s Goodstein, not Goodman. It helps if we send the media dogs in the right direction. They ain’t too bright, y’ know. ;)
Knot @ 126
The media is right here lurking at FDL gang and you can bank on it ; )
100,000 marching in Baghdad.
Wonder if this was what the 101st Cheeto Brigade had in mind when they were bleating “Democracy Good!”
I hope the Lamont campaign is giving its volunteers some civil rights-style training in peaceful nonviolence. The worst thing that could happen would be for Lamont supporters to allow themselves to be provoked into responding in kind. They should set themselves apart from the LieberThugs by their good behavior.
Today’s NYT article means the MSM has FDL bookmarked. :)
On the noon news wtnh.com == local political reporter Mark Davis interviewed Stephanopoulous at a Lieberman bus stop. S says that a Lamont win would be a huge shockwave throughout DC, and that if Lamont wins, nobody in DC wants Lieberman to run as an independent. All the Ds will be lining up to support “the primary winner” — Joe or not.
Video of the interview should be up shortly.
And, those of you coming to CT — Lieberman will be off the trail from sunset this evening to sunset tomorrow to observe the Sabbath. No bus during daylight tomorrow.
*ilson46201 @ 126
“We’ve got a three-way tie for third place!”
depressed, very nice to see you on an FDL thread.
immanentize, I sure hope you are right about the Big Dawg compromise.
Joezoe’s meme through Goodstein, “are you a Bill Clinton Democrat or an Al Sharpton Democrat? really concerned me. Those statements had to absolutely enrage both Clintons and every Democrat. They also struck me as an unbelieveably clumsy attempt to skim European American Democratics to vote for Joezoe in his independent run.
If such a deal was struck, Clinton has very little leverage to enforce it, after being on stage with Joezoe and calling him a real Democrat.
Hope I’m wrong. I’m thrilled you’re feeling better and I hope the writing project is progressing well.
RUMSFIELD HAS GOT TO GO.
Rumor has it the report of cessation of Lieberman’s GOTV is disinformation designed to relax’s Ned’s GOTV.
HOrdes of shirted Lieberyouth have been spotted at the Stamford campaign office, with street canvassers sighted as well.
meta, THE WHOLE LOT OF ‘EM’S GOT TO GO! NOW.
Nice catch Pach. Your take sounds right on target to me.
139, Pach: good Intel. There’s your trip wire folks. Game’s still on with Lieberman.
Ghostman
Pachacutec @
137
Thought so !
Debrah Fisch, scroll ^ up to 68.
Jeralyn posted a cute foto
lotus, both of those article have a lot of detail about specific evidence of a total breakdown. Is MSM cable picking this story up? I’ve only got local news and not one word so far.
BTW, good morning my dear lotus! Missed the cafe this AM because for the first time in years, I slept in until 6:30. Very Weird. I begged and pleaded to work 3 day weeks in August, so I’m going to start seeming like a real person soon. Hope your well. Seems so to me!
karelroc – #118 – How I admire your spunk… and optimism, especially.
Not even our arrogant Babs Boxer would not dare support Ned Lamont in the general election regardless of what HoJo may do.
She’s gotta a lot of explainin’ to do in any event and if she doesn’t know it her harried and angst ridden staff on both coasts sure do get it.
Ghostie, my bet is that it will get much, much worse. Ever vigilant!
From the Eric Schmeltzer piece on Huffpo referenced above at 104…
(snip)
” So who are these sources that are calling the time of death for Lieberman, days before a vote is even cast?
My bet is on Team Lieberman itself. This is the campaign’s true Hail Mary – declare the whole thing over in hopes that Lamont volunteers and voters exhale a little before election day, and maybe jolt soft Lieberman support into gear, by painting scenarios of a Joe-less world.
In campaigns, this type of tactic happens on a much lower scale all the time; it’s called lowering expectations. Whether it is predicting lower fundraising than you really have just before quarterly reports are filed, or pretending your opponent is an Oxford-level debater and yours is Howdy Doody, whispering to reporters that you’re not as good as they say is a fun game.
But predicting your own political death is the “nuclear option” of campaigns. It could work, and get Lamont’s network to take a little rest and pat themselves on the back prematurely, or it could backfire and completely destroy the morale of the Lieberman network of voters who lay down their arms and surrender before Tuesday.”
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Talk about “magical” thinking. As I said earlier – what a piss poor campaign!
One has to ask after seeing Goodstein’s name paired with the Gore-Lieberman campaign and the Edwards’ campaign whether the tactics of bringing such lobbyists to the breast of campaigns isn’t what caused the failure of these same campaigns.
Lieberman brings Goodstein to Gore through his connections to Big Pharma — and Gore tanks (although with help from FL).
Edwards brings Goodstein to Kerry, for as-yet unexplained reasons — and Kerry tanks (although with help from OH).
Lieberman would do well to question having Goodstein anywhere near his campaign, don’t you think?
Goodstein is clearly wrapped up in more than one industry, too, if he’s the same Richard Goodstein shown as a VP-Scientific Relations donating money to Bayer in 1999. Bayer is listed as a chemical manufacturer and has also given to Lieberman. I’d listed the Insurance and Healthcare industry donations to Lieberman over the last 10 years in a thread yesterday — meant to do other industries but didn’t get to it. Now we see the importance of wider due diligence.
Hello AnneHolliday. I’m still not sure about Babs, but you know me.
How are things on the central coast? Are you in PB?
meta, 146: yep.
What is Mr. Lamont’s schedule today?
Ghostman
I am angry that Lieberman would bring these tactics to a primary, that his “supporters” would batter a press photographer and harass a WWII veteran. I also want to convey my best wishes for the safety of all ‘pups headed to Connecticut. Clearly, it’s going to be an exercise to rescue the Republic — but personal safety has become an issue now.
Cameras and civility. And hands to yourself. Under all circumstances.
Please win this for us all, Ned!
A nation turns its weary eyes to you, Connecticut!
Backatcha, meta! I’ve meant to shout-out to ya all morning, just keep getting distracted by new developments.
CNN has it on right now (just turned it on, so no idea how many times previously today). MAJOR. Reporter: “… described as the biggest demonstration ever in the ME in support of Hezbollah.”
100,000 marching in Baghdad.
That’s just a focus group.
I jut read the Times article. I am getting a little tired of being told that my government is an exclusive club that I don’t have the secret handshake to.
Ghostman @
150
Ned’s got his activities here:
http://nedlamont.com/events
lotus, meta, everyone else, thanks for the links to the Iraq demonstrations. I hope the TM remembers DeadEye’s comment on MTP, “we will be greeted as liberators.”
I gotta run, pups. Maybe by the time I get back this evening, Rummy’ll be toast? Naaaah, nothing that would make that much sense . . .
CNN interviewing Ricks, screen filled with the big red word FIASCO.
merciless @ 154
Maybe they have the flowers and choclates we are missing??
The neocons should be forced to go over there and rebuild this country with their barehands.
lotus @ 152
Huge miscalculation on the part of US and Israel. Hezbollah owns their own TV station, for chrissakes. And much more.
lotus @ 157
lotus baby, thanks for the info. Be safe and see you later.
lisadawn82 @ 86
I live in CT and have volunteered to help the campaign on Sunday (I travel Monday through Friday)
impeachpac.org got Comcast to run their ad in Connecticut. It’s a new ad, you can watch it here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FV6Fbgp3J-s
Greenwich actually has a fairly large blue-collar flavor, unlike New Canaan (hometown of Man Coulter) and Darien. It is threatened today, because the rise of the hedge funds as a local industry and the ridiculous amounts of money they generate have driven property through the roof.
meta, ok, thanks. Looks like Mr. Lamont stays home in greenwich today. Hopefully, being a local boy, the cops will watch out for him.
Ghostman
kirby (133) says: “and that if Lamont wins, nobody in DC wants Lieberman to run as an independent. All the Ds will be lining up to support “the primary winner” — Joe or not.”
I had a feeling this would be the case. My guess is that Bubba told Joe in no uncertain terms what an independent run would cost him. Clinton’s a brilliant politician and he knows you don’t buck the party unless (and until) the electorate has spoken. Lieberman’s star has been steadily falling since the 2000 election and now it’s practically out. Ned, on the other hand, is definitely a rising star-Clinton knows the party doesn’t want to burn any bridges with Lamont. So when Ned wins on Tuesday (there, I said it, I hope I don’t jinx anything), the party’s big guns will support Lamont, and
forcepersuade Lieberman to bow out gracefully.Interesting how the political establishment works, huh? When your time is up, it just spits you out.
it must be Greenwich Mean Time coz their newspaper endorsed Whiny Joe …
RE 100,000 marching in Baghdad.
Folks this is big. Remember how dangerous it is to be in any kind of crowd in Iraq. There is some phenomenal organizing behind this. With a very neat link between Israel in Lebanon and the US in Iraq which will be broadcast widely on Al Jazeera etc. I read it as a HUGE power play on the part of the Shia majority, establishing themselves as the only ones with the cahones to stand up to the US peacefully. And sidelining the Sunni big time.
Also, it should be remembered that we would be seeing a lot more of this if it were not for the US backed totalitarian regimes of the US backed “moderate” Arab states like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan (well, Jordan does have a little bit of a right to be called moderate).
100,000 people in Baghdad. Biggest anti-war demo so far, anywhere in the world.
And what did Rummy, Kristol, Cheney et al say? That we would be welcomed with open arms as “liberators?”
I have been to Iraq. Visited ancient history mostly. In the mid-70s. I always wanted to go back, but I would not dare after what my country has done in my name.
*ilson46201 @ 141
I don’t think Ned’s people will fall for it. Lamont’s volunteers are committed to the cause – they will GOTV just for fun. That’s the difference between paid volunteers and committed volunteers.
Teddy: I’m sorry, that’s a crappy ad.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg…..74-192.stm
Here goes a nice summary of the national political rammifications of the Lamont/Lieberman Senatorial campaign. I think my old hometown has hit the nail on the head.
Lieberman brings Goodstein to Gore through his connections to Big Pharma — and Gore tanks (although with help from FL).
Rayne:
Lieberman didn’t need to bring Goodstein to Gore. Gore knew Goodstein long before that, because they had the same boss. You know, Clinton. I’m trying to find what advisory role Goodstein played for Clinton, but he did. I distinctly remember seeing his name in some policy things floating around during the 90s.
raw story has one of thoes “developing” stories that just gives the teaser
they say there is a new leiberman poll that is a shocker
I wonder if this is good or bad news for lieberman
The Shia organized bus convoys to bring Shia in from the south. Incredibly risky and very, very bold.
about the 100,000 marching in Baghdad today — who said it’s only 100,000?
I wish we could always count on the cops to protect us, but what happened to spazeboy calls that into question. Cameras, cameras, cameras. Documentation is crucial.
It occurs to me, the saddest thing about the LieberShirts shouting down Ned is that they probably have convinced themselves it’s exactly the same as Spazeboy or Maura “harassing” Joe by asking him why he won’t support the winner of the primary.
*ilson46201 @ 174
Excellent point!!!!
on the demonstrations in Baghdad…actually, I think it was wilson who called attention to it in another thread. In any event, it’s prayer day over there….things can sometimes run hot. It’ll be interesting to get the full low-down on the sermons given by the religious leaders earlier today.
Ghostman
New Lieberman poll shocker… Developing…
http://rawstory.com/
Goodstein’s a regular visitor to FOX News — Hannity & Colmes is his favored venue.
Kinda says it all right there, eh?
at this point, the strongest thing Joe has going for him is 24 hours of prayer …
OT
Bless John Conyers for being a stand-up guy. His final report on administration lawbreaking is out, with commentary at HuffPo and Kos.
http://www.house.gov/judiciary…..rept2.html
RE: Goodstein — in OpenSecrets.org, I found donations from a Richard Goodstein in Milford CT to Bayer’s PAC back in 1999; his job/employer field is shown as “VP-Scientific Relations”. After doing some searching across Google trying to chase down a firm by that name (thinking that perhaps that firm might have been bought out by Bayer or Air Products or some such), it occurred to me this was his FULL job title, “VP of Scientific Relations”. Roles like this exist at firms the size of Kraft (see VP-SR Enrique Guardia, for example).
So who exactly was Goodstein working for in 1999…Bayer? Some other Big Pharma or chemical entity? a lobbying firm?
RE: Lebanon — Israel’s bombing today of Christian areas north of Beirut puts on an entirely different spin. Was this a response to reports that have emerged alleging that Bush-Blair PLANNED this “3-Week War” on Hamas and Hezbollah with IDF?
We’ve said this before, that Blair is toast, but if this is at all true, the UK will put him down hard.
And Bush could well lose the Christian Fundies if it ever appeared he had a hand in planning the deaths of Christians.
Pach, you don’t have to apologize to me about your opinion about the ad! I’m pleased they’ve ditched V1.0, and I’m happy they won their “battle” with Comcast to broadcast the ad, but I don’t have any connection to impeachpac.org, except for having donated a trivial sum to their startup, after seeing an ad early 2006 on a progressive blog.
I brought the new version here for all to click on, recalling the discussion earlier about V1.0.
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Had Enough, Connecticut?
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A civil suit against these thugs and maybe even reach the higher-ups under respondeat superior? Hopefully, all the way to Joe.
Respondeat Superior–The legal rule that the principal or employer is liable for harms done by agents or employees while acting within the scope of their agency or employment.
I’m with you for the most part, but I have to point out that Matt Stoller did something a little crude when he gave that sign to the kid in the first place. The kid was carrying a Lieberman sign. Then he asked Stoller if he could carry the anti-Lieberman sign because it was taller. So clearly the kid had no stake in the message.
Stoller farmed out his protest to an unwitting child, then happily photographed his adversary taking the sign away from the child. Not cool.
meta – after some two decades in Del Monte Forest and our last fledlging youngster off to college we moved our empty nest back to Carmel where our adventure in romance began oh so long ago.
How about you – northern, central or southern CA?
Oh, and don’t mind my grousing about Barbara for it isn’t personal – if I didn’t admire her so much couldn’t possibly be so pissed off at her lousy judgement – against all reason and counsel – she didn’t do a Biden and miss the train or in her case the plane to CT.
Quote from Josh Marshall at TPM…
It now seems almost like a given that Joe Lieberman will lose his struggle for the Democratic nomination next Tuesday. But his fall is so precipitous and the possible margin of his defeat so large, that it now seems increasingly questionable whether he’ll even appear on the ballot in November, let alone win reelection to his seat.
snip
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Bustednuckles @ 179
BustedNuckles, when you click on the RawStory site, the story right above the Lieberman one is really pretty funny – or sad – when you think of it. Evidentally, two months before the beginning of the Iraq war, Bush DID NOT know there were two kinds of Iraqis. He had to be explained the difference of Shia and Sunnis.
This administration is getting more pathetic daily.
Anyway, thanks for the link. It’ll be interesting to see what the “Lieberman shocker” is.
Off topic, but I want to take some kudos here. After the Black Face incident I predicted that the story would show up on Mickey Kaus on Slate within 12 hours and that will be the sign that the story jumped the shark. Well it took 24 hours and it was John Dickerson on Slate (they’re sort of inter-changable neo-nothings)but it happened and the story now officially sleeps with Fonz in his leather jacket and bathing suit. Sometimes these guys just don’t know how hilarious they are. Back to your regular programming.
Also from Raw, something obvious that is now confirmed. Explains a lot:
Former Ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith is claiming President George W. Bush was unaware that there were two major sects of Islam just two months before the President ordered troops to invade Iraq, RAW STORY has learned.
In his new book, The End of Iraq: How American Incompetence Created A War Without End, Galbraith, the son of the late economist John Kenneth Galbraith, claims that American leadership knew very little about the nature of Iraqi society and the problems it would face after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
LJ/Aquaria at 10:03:
Yeah, when I googled “Richard Goodstein” and “Democratic consultant” there were mentions from 2004 news items of his being a former advisor to Clinton and Gore, but no details.
EPU’d egregious @ 171
The same “Alex Hoffman of Boston” who is from DC and lives in New York? Page down to view picture:
http://twinsjazz.com/performances.htm
Looks like the same dude.
I wouldn’t have included Kerry in the Dems.org Impeachment ad. The ad would have been just fine without him–stronger, even. For a lot of reasons. Namely that Kerry is yesterday’s news and enough Americans see him and think, “Loser.”
It’s not the best-produced ad in the world, but it could have been much more effective.
fwiw, yesterday at 8pm I posted a comment about the Jane story appearing in Slate…you are 17 hours late
Here he is again:
http://www.vailjazz.org/jazz/s…..offman.htm
Anne Holliday @
187
Beautiful region. I lived many years in Santa Cruz and now in SF. I’m still furious with Boxer!
Before this primary campaign, I mildly disliked Lieberman, but could stomach his presence since he would at least be a D vote if we came close to capturing the Senate. Now I actively loathe the man. The last 2 months have been a real eye opener for me. I haven’t seen such a stunning combination of incompetence and douchebaggery since George HW Bush’s ill-fated 1992 campaign.
Hey maybe that Lieberguy in both pix has a future on he Supreme Court…didn’t Rehnquist used to rough up/intimidate the Latin vote at the polls in the SW as a College Republican or something like that?
Twisted Martini @ 163
Not to pick on you in particular, a lot of us do it, but can’t we call her something that doesn’t thoughtlessly offend transgendered folks? Maybe Waaaahn Coulter?
The Raw Story teaser might be the Gallup poll that shows Joe is loved by more Gangsta Republicans than Dems. Saw it on Huffpost.
Teddy: the problem with those ads is they are based on no empathy for or understanding of the viewer, no sense of how to present a message or even what message to present. It’s just shouting into the void, assuming the void interprets ideas and images the way we do.
I want to thank the moderators. It must be like having to watch Fox News in order to report on its excesses. Judging from what does slip through the net, it must be an unplesant task.
itsandy @ 10:09
Ah, that ugly scene at the burger joint was all Matt Stoller’s fault. The Liebertruppen aren’t responsible at all. Thanks for clearing it all up for us.
This anti-incumbency revolution thing can really be a bitch to you establishmentarians, can’t it? Boo frickin hoo.
197, wilson: To All: even Ghostman treads carefully around ole wilson….chuckle.
Ghostman
I bet the Lieberman “shocker” story is the new Gallup poll that shows Lieberman more popular with Republicans than Democrats.
Stoller gave the kid a sign that the kid asked to have, in full view of the kids family happily watching over.
If there was a problem with that, the family would have intervened.
They didn’t. The LieberYouth did.
Such charges against Matt are flat out bogus.
Very ,very busy at work today. I
don’t have time to comment, so i hope no one minds if I submit some relevant links, quotes, excerpts etc.Like this beauty.
Lieberman in now trying to prevent a huge outcry for him to respect the result. Here’s a message for the Democratic leadership. Do you want the progressive blogs to spend the fall in a fight with you, or in a fight with the Republicans? Do you want our money pouring into Congressional races, or into Connecticut? Because if Lieberman does not drop out, it will be unremitting war on Lieberman and on the cynical incumbent protection racket in the Senate.
snip.
Dan Balz , at the Booman tribune.
http://www.boomantribune.com/
you have NO idea the incredibly racist and sexist trolls that have been deleted here within the last hour alone! it’s been regular LieberKlanapalooza!
Well, Froomkin is absolutely chilling today:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..780_2.html
Oh wow. another Lamont commercial (third in two hours) This one was great — plays Joe scolding the Dems for disagreeing with GWB and ends with let Ct. Dems get their voice back.
A couple of interesting points on Iraq and Hezbollah, in light of today’s protests:
First, from Juan Cole, pointing out that the party of the current Prime Minister of Iraq, when they were in exile in Iran during Saddam, helped form Hezbollah, and Maliki was personally in the region:
Second, from an background article on Hezbollah by Helena Cobban of Just World News, a fact that jumped out at me — the current leader of Hezbollah studied at seminary in Iraq under al-Sadr’s father.
Food for thought.
Technical point, lawyer-to-lawyer, Christy: in some states including Maryland, battery is not defined as harmful contact or contact with intent to harm. Maryland employs the common law definition which would include contact that a reasonable person would find offensive, without reference to actual or intended “harm”. A spitball suffices.
What CT statutes say, I would not know.
Frat boys. My favorite. And notice how those kind of punks always operate in groups?
new thread
itsandy @ 186
Oh, please.
STOLLER exploited the child?
Did you not notice that the child was originally carrying a Lieberman sign?
Did you wonder who gave him that sign? Do you think the kid went up and said, “I’m a huge Lieberman supporter! Please let me carry a sign for him!”
Did Matt expect the kid to be carted away? Did he plan it, make any of the decisions about it? And how do you know Matt was “happily” filming the kid getting led away? You’ve mind-melded with the guy? My impression was that he was a bit horrified. But I can’t say for sure. Maybe we’d better ask Matt…as if it matters.
Look, people have been foisting signs on kids at rallies forever. The other side has been using some fun (but harmless) tactics to get the kids to switch sides forever.
This is politics. It ain’t a garden club tea.
Someone … [meta???] asked a couple of threads down about the minimum wage going down in the Senate yesterday.
The full story is this: the GOoPers know that they’re getting hammered on the min wage issue. But instead of having a clean bill that raises the min wage, the House crafted a chimera that raises the min wage, permanently lowered the estate tax, and had some other so-called critical economic provisions. Sen Frist (Faith Healer – TN) called it the trifecta bill.
It was a very unsubtle attempt at log-rolling: we’ll (the GOoPers) will give you (the Democrats) what you want (increase in the min wage) if you’ll give us two things we want. The Democratic Caucus in the Senate viewed the additional provisions as a poison pill and refused to allow cloture.
Frist changed his vote on the cloture motion to “No” at the last minute so he has standing to make a motion to reconsider.
Props to Sen Cantwell (D – WA) for resisting Frist’s pressure to vote for cloture. Frist has vowed to campaign for her opponent in the general election. Apparently this is supposed to viewed as some sort of retaliation, ‘though I can’t imagine Frist didn’t intend to campaign for the GOoPer candidate anyway.
The log-rolling thing is something that might have worked four or five years ago. It’s too little and way too late now.
BC
RE: Goodstein — looks like there are more than one “Richard Goodstein”; please use caution when researching for this reason.
Richard K. Goodstein was Vice President of Scientific Relations as Bayer in 1999; his name appears frequently in relationship to the problems that Bayer had with its now-withdrawn drug, Baychol.
Richard F. Goodstein is the lobbyist/consultant.
What I do not know at this point is whether these two are related.
What I do know is that Markos’ and Jerome Armstrong’s observations about the poisonous impact of traditional, DC-based consultants on the Democratic Party is completely validated yet again by Goodstein’s behavior in CT.
Fire the consultantocracy and their puppets.
TeddySanFran @ 211
Aboso-f’ing-lutely, TSF! In so, so many ways . . .
All the more reason I get ticked off when folks lump all Christians into that way of thinking.
Lieberman continues to surprise me. Every time I think he couldn’t possibly disgust me more….he does.
phoebes @ 207
phoebes: no shock in fdl land…
pssssst – Earl Scheib… where you at? I need my car painted.
:-)
Yeah, Rayne–I was about to tell you that the Goodstein @ Bayer was a diff dude from the lawyer who’s been a Dem consultant for a while. The Dr. and scientific relations was the part that gave it away.
Bargain, thank you for all that background. It’s all so twisted, isn’t it? Americans just need to make a living wage!
And *ilson, you must be having a blast. Thanks for the tease. Your tip jar is full.
IIRC the requirement is that the sigs on a petition to run as an independent ahve to be turned in bby 4:00 PM on Wednesday, Aug. 9.
The state has two weeks to contact local officials to verify the sigs after that.
I love the Stephanopolous remarks. A huge shockwave in D.C. and that no one wants him to run as an Indy. Get ready!! Is that up on theweb anywhere?
meta @ 224
I realize I’m a little ignorant about how blogs work, exactly. Does *wilson read each comment before it’s posted? Is he reading this one?
most comments get posted directly — some with known troublesome words like Vi*gr* will get trapped automatically to be eyeballed by moderators
*ilson46201 @ 227
…or Lei*ure Guy!
:-)
Meta,
You’re welcome. This sort of thing is applied politics. And it’s the reason that you can’t use simple vote tallies to evaluate a congress-critter.
Another example of the same thing. HoJo voted against confirming Strip-search Sammy Alito to the Supreme Court. Good on ya’, HoJo. Right? We didn’t want Strip-search on the Court. Except a day or two prior, HoJo voted in favor of cloture, knowing the GOoP had the votes for confirmation. The only way to keep Strip-search off the bench was to prevent it coming to a vote.
The GOoP used that very tactic to prevent Abe Fortas becoming Chief Justice when Earl Warren (one of my personal heroes — I took a lot of classes in Earl Warren Hall and I’m proud of it now) retired.
Moral: Simple scoring algorithms are things for simple minds.
BC
*ilson46201 @
227
So, *ilson, how many ones do you have to actually read? And, how many of those have to be discarded?
If a bad one slips though, can you go back and delete it?
I said I was stupid!
yup, I can delete a comment if a bad one slips through. there are several other folk here that moderate. I’m just the flamboyant one…
Rayne -
I’m sure Bayer is no worse than any other big Pharma OK these days, but the company does have an interesting history: being part of I.G. Farben, inventing mustard gas, and that kind of thing.
All togehter now!
“Whatever happened to fair dealing
And pure ethics
And nice manners?
Why is it everyone now is a pain in the ass?
Whatever happened to class?
Whatever happened to “Please may I ?”
And “Yes thank you”
And “How charming?”
Now every son of a bitch
Is a snake in the grass
Whatever happened to class?
Oh, there ain’t no gentlemen to open up the doors,
There ain’t no ladies now there’s only pigs and whores
And even kids’ll knock you down so’s they can pass
Nobody’s got no class!!!
Whatever happened to old values
And fine morals
And good breeding?
Now no-one even says oops
When they’re passing their gas
Whatever happened to class?
Oh, There ain’t no gentlemen that’s fit for any ews,
And any girl will touch your privates for a douse
And even kids’ll kick your shins and give ya sas
Nobody’s got no class!
All you read about today is rape and theft
Jesus Christ, ain’t there no decency left?
Nobody’s got no class!
Every guy is a snot
Every girl is a twat
Holy shit
Holy shit
What a shame
What a shame
What became of class?”
LJ/Aquaria @
217
At least Lieberman is loudly speaking out against such thuggish tactics. Oh wait, he isn’t.
With every new revelation, I find another reason to despise Lieberman.
*ilson46201 @
53
Besser gesagt:
Bitte fuettern die Trollen nicht!
Tschuss! McGee
Those Lieberman t-shirts look really dorky and the people wearing them look even dorkier.
Yeah, that’s gonna change minds, Joey Lieberschmuck.
A little news tidbit from OH, ON topic, thankee very much!?!
Today’s edition of our very own Akron Beacon Journal has a reprint of the NYTimes endorsement of Ned Lamont, dead-center at the top of the op-ed page.
joe-quilibrium is spiraling down so fast, premature shockwaves are spreading to OH and beyond.
!!!GO NED!!! Don’t slack off that GOTV effort one smidgen!
Oh my goodness. Where’d I put that fan. *g*
fahrender @ 82
Well, yeh, I know, but “do unto them like they do unto you” is not what it says. I’m no fan of Joe’s game, and in fact I think he cost Gore the election because the upper echelons figured that he would help Al take FL, and if Gore had just written FL off and gone ANYWHERE else, he’d have won; but what’s happening here is that we are being divided again and we’re letting the opposition define us; and that’s the tactic that the GOP inheritors of the Goebbels system for political success want. Look, like I said in my original post, I’m not a CT resident, so maybe I’m not invested enough to see a rationale for such a deep seeded animosity. And I sort of agree with Krugman’s comment in today’s NYT that “The point is that those who cling to the belief that politics can be conducted in terms of people rather than parties — a group that also includes would-be centrist Democrats like Joe Lieberman and many members of the punditocracy — are kidding themselves.” but right after that he says ” Now we’re living in an age of one-letter politics, in which a politician’s partisan affiliation is almost always far more important than his or her personal beliefs.” I see a contradiction there. And I’m not saying that I prefer Joe over Ned. I’m just concerned about how the numbers will fall out in November, and how all of us are going to feel if this animosity results in the loss of the seat to the GOP and failure thus to get the Senate back. Even if the other side is a bunch of scum sucking bottom feeders, they’re still going to have to take orders from a Democratic Majority Leader if we get the congress back. As my old very very very leftist mentor used to say “Take the long view, Comrade.” Better that all of you who are angry enough to work hard for a progressive candidate pack up and go to a congressional or Senate district where your only opponent is a Republican. Otherwise, the spectre at least to me is of a Pyrrhic victory is looming like a shadow on the Housatonic.
Gore won Florida, by 40,000 votes.
Try this one for comparison:
Lieberyouth
-ck- @ 240
not my point. My take on it is that Gore wansn’t going to get FL no matter how many votes. Jeb was not going to let it happen. We should have written off the state, put our money in TN or DL or anywhere else and we’d have gotten the White House. It was overconfidence in the Lieberman effect that caused the miscalculation. And I’m just afraid that all this animosity is going to sap the energy from the movement and end up with the opposition keeping the Senate.
MacHeath –
Gore won Florida — he was less than a 1,000 votes away from winning on the first tabulation. No way he should have blown off the state.
But I agree, he should not have abandoned Ohio and Missouri; that’s why Howard Dean’s 50 State Strategy is so important. Fight the bastards everywhere — concede nothing.
meta @ 191
RawStory should listen to Al Franken’s show. He’s been telling that anecdote for years. :)
Franken heard it way back when and passed it on then. He refers back to it all the time, and he mentions it every day now that it’s shown up in Galbraith’s book.
I just finished phonebanking for Ned as part of MoveOn. One can call from outside CT. MoveOn provides the script numbers.
For those of you who want to do something, but can’t make it to CT, please consider volunteering at
http://political.moveon.org/ph…..Eg&t=1
Its a tough job though. People are just rude, hang up, ask not be called.
Was it really necessary (to the republican presidental nominee search committee pre2000)that our clueless “don’t know much about history” leader was informed? I have always felt that most if not all of the decisions & polices are made by birdshot dick, rover & the rest of the whigs, & he whole-black-heartedly agrees. He’s on the same page but barely reads the crib notes.
Hamburger Guy per TPM
If People in CT are rude on phone calls you are making either via MoveOn, or if you come to CT and phonebank, realize this. At LEAST twice a day, the phone rings and it is either Clinton, or Dodd or Olson, or someone on an automated call asking you to vote for good ole boy, Lieberman. I am so sick to death of running to the phone and getting these, I could scream.
So apologize when you call for making them come for one more Poliltical phone call, but that this is the only one they will receive from Ned !
To the phonebankers,
Please, please, please knock it off.
When it’s 8:10PM and I am trying to put my kids to sleep and I get one of these calls, guess what? I am going to hang up on you. Moreover, I am going to vote for the other guy because some douche bag called my house and disturbed me.
Do us all a favor and stop calling. You are only hurting cause.