Joe Lieberman’s search for even greater irrelevance in the final days before the primary continues. I have to say I was actually a bit worried when I heard the rumor that he was going to film a mea culpa commercial regarding the war — he needs that kind of bold strike right now, though I doubt even that could pull him out of his current hole. Instead, his campaign announced that CT-AFL/CIO head John Olsen was holding a press conference to applaud Joe’s "experience" and castigate Ned for not having a union shop (nobody has ever TRIED to unionize Ned’s company).
I had an encounter with Olsen at an AFL/CIO event for Lieberman a couple of weeks ago, and I asked him how in good faith he could support Lieberman when his record on healthcare was so piss-poor. Olsen said Joe’s record on healthcare was great, but got a wee bit testy when we started talking about Joe’s role in HillaryCare.
Let’s dial it back to 1994 (via Lexis/Nexis). There’s this:
… He also broke with Clinton on health care. Instead of favoring universal coverage and employer mandates, Lieberman sided first with a conservative plan favored by insurance interests — who have given heavily to his campaign. The plan would cover fewer people and require less government involvement. (Hartford Courant, October 7, 1994)
And this:
LIEBERMAN TARGETED ON HEALTH CARE
In his television advertisements, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman decries "special favors" for members of Congress. But in real life, he refuses to support a health care proposal that would provide benefits for Americans that are equal to those received by members of Congress, a nonprofit group charged Thursday.
[]
CCAG board member Pam Byrnes said Lieberman’s stance "makes a mockery of his own television advertising."
She called on Lieberman to "Give us health care that’s at least as good as what Congress has."
In a related development, consumer advocate Ralph Nader sent a letter to Lieberman and U.S. Rep. Nancy L. Johnson, R-6th District, criticizing their position on proposed changes in medical malpractice law in health care reform.Nader said Lieberman and Johnson support changes that would limit damage awards to victims, and would preempt state laws that favor consumers. Nader has been engaged in a longstanding battle with those who want to tighten malpractice laws, saying the action would cut health care costs. (Hartford Courant, August 26, 1994)
And what did Holy Joe get for his labors?
HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY TREATS LIEBERMAN WELL
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, D-Conn., who is up for re-election this fall, continues to be one of the biggest beneficiaries in Congress of campaign contributions from the nation’s health care industry, a study released Thursday shows.
In the 19-month period ending July 31, Lieberman received $355,730 from health care and insurance industry sources, more than all but seven members of the Senate and one House member, the study found.
[]
A breakdown by Citizen Action, shows that $134,978 of Lieberman’s total came from insurance industry political action committees or from officials working for insurers. That placed him second in the Senate to Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, who received $233,675 from insurance sources.
Lieberman also received $48,050 from drug company political action committees, the sixth-highest amount in the Senate, the study says. In addition, he received $26,000 from hospital, health maintenance organization and nursing home political action committees, seventh highest in the Senate. (Harford Courant, September 23, 1994)
So yeah, basically I’d love to hear the labor leaders talk about how great Lieberman is on health care. In fact, there are a whole host of labor issues Joe sucks on, in addition to being the enabler of one of the worst labor Presidents in history. And now SEIU Local 1199, it turns out have announced they are backing Ned.
There are all sorts of rifts in courtship of Joe and labor. Joe evidently tried to bail on Olsen’s Wake Up WalMart event yesterday, and Olsen yanked his chain like a chihuahua and told him to get his ass (and his silly bus) down to Bridgeport. And the AFL/CIO membership have only voted to endorse Lieberman through August 8 (have a look at this guy if you want to see how contentious it was to even get there). If Joe jumps the party I don’t think it’s going to be quite so easy for Olsen to discipline the union rank-and-file in line behind Lieberman.
So this is Lieberman’s big ANYTHING BUT IRAQ news event of the day? Sorry Joe, it really just won’t stand up to that 13 point drubbing in the Q-Poll. But nice try.
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French!!!
Colbert!
Hey Jane – I think the phrase is “search for relevance“
… and what about Joe’s CAFTA/NAFTA votes? not exactly labor-friendly there, eh?
Judas Joe screwed over his union supporters, too?
Gosh.
that’s excellent news about the SEIU local. they’re usually great GOTV hands. (and feet).
SEIU later, Joe
Has anyone in CT been talking about Hadassah’s lobbying? I think that should be talked about, even if there were no election coming up
If I were John Olsen, I’d be wondering right now about my *own* position as an incumbent. If the numbers play out as some of the polls and grassroots labor folks seem to indicate, Olsen’s reelection position might be somewhat dubious.
*ilson,
Love the new toys around here, but can’t get the “less than” and “greater than” signs to work around my “/concern trolling” in # 10. Used to work with ampersand-lt-semicolon, but alas, no more . . .
Any hints?
Speaking of Colbert, Paul Hackett is on this evening.
Cocoa Puffs…
twolf1 @ 1
I think you and I were of one mind in our posts, twolf. =)
“like a chihuana”
What’s that?
Just remember your WKRP: Chi-Hua-Hua
Great post, Jane, as usual. After yesterday’s shenanigans, it’s good to see you back–and with all barrells blazing.
That poll today was terrific news. There’s a long way to go but it is thrilling to see how strong Lamont’s challenge has been. A couple of years ago, we were told that hope is on the way–could it actually be here?
“I have to say I was actually a bit worried when I heard the rumor that he was going to film a mea culpa commercial regarding the war”
I agree.
There is absolutely nowhere near that kind of oxygen left before Tuesday’s vote. Plus it opens Joezoe up to all the flipflop criticism he tried to slime Ned with in their debate. IMO, Joezoe is just trying to keep Ned’s margin of victory narrow in the primary as a way of leaving the door open to his “Plan B.”
Every vote counts!
Ned’s supporters have a chance to end this on August 8.
I have to wonder about Olsen pulling RGJoe outta the teevee studio, if that’s where he was before his bus sped him to the WalMartian rally.
Seriously, what kind of a friend/supporter asks his candidate to abandon his single most worrisome-to-the-opposition idea, and appear with his actual opponent, alongside whom RGJoe never looks good?
With friends like Olsen, RGJoe needs fewer enemies.
bdu @ 13
and milk! Cukoo!
Joe doesn’t “Care” about “Health” of the people or any matter that doesn’t concern Joe.
What difference in eighteen years have you made Joe?
lamont poll result story on blitzer CNN now
But Joe marched for universal health care in 1942.
Another example of how the leadership of unions – like the leadership at NARAL and Planned Parenthood – is out of touch with the needs and issues of the general membership.
If there is anything I have learned through this experience it is to never again take an organization’s endorsement at face value.
Tom @
3
Not in RGJoe’s case, actually.
I think Jane’s right!
{{{{ sentence tatooed on my forehead in bizarre kos ritual }}}}
Good news about the SEIU local.
Is a chihuana a cross between a dog and a flesh-eating fish? Don’t go in the water!
The worst thing by far that Lieberman did in all his years in office, speaking for myself only, would be playing one of the original and continued cheer leaders for the Bush war in Iraq. If President Bush is guilty of leading this country down the primrose path to the false promise of victory in the Middle East, so then is Senator Joseph Lieberman every bit to blame. This man, this leader, along with many others bears responsibility for the needless death of thousands of men, women and children. And who knows; as a result of Lieberman’s overt assistance to the Bush lunacy, how many more will perish?
punaise @ y
Bwhahahahaha
The status quo AFL/CIO and the status quo DLC wants to maintain….the status quo!!
Go figure.
You figure to take on the Repugs and their evil shit. It’s another when you find out you spend as much time fighting your nominal allies.
Bless you Jane. It’s thankless work some days.
This is just the beginning. This is where we start kicking incumbents out regularly.
You voted for the war? Outta there, weasel!
Payback is a bitch.
I don’t know if it’s been posted before, but I found a local article on where Joe is with his petition drive and how many of his troops he’ll be employing for that bit of work. Here from the Journal Inquirer .
And:
Jeff Greenfield (on Wolfie) just ticked off all the reasons Joe’s about to lose — best, most extensive explanation I’ve seen since the NYT endorsement.
Woo! Hoo!
If Joe has lined-up with big insurance and big pharma, then he’s in alliance with those who will leave you for dead.
As I witnessed this week when a coworker died of a heart attack, you will literally be left to die if you can’t afford your ever-more expensive meds. We are on our own until we find representation. And that’s why Ned is so important.
The dems actually have to represent people, because god knows the thugs don’t. I hope a lot of DINOs are shaking in their shoes when Ned beats Lieberman.
db #22: ROFL!
CNN’s Greenfield just blew Lieberman’s ONE ISSUE line out of the water! LOL WOW!
SharonW – remind us again how many he needs?
And does the fact that the election is being held open for absentee ballots change the filing deadline to get on the ballot in the general?
Hang in there, Jane. I see the rightwing noise machine is cranked up to 11. But Connecticut deserves better than a whining DINO, and its Democratic voters will say the same on Tuesday.
With 817 collected he still needs 6700 good ones which means they need to collect probably 10-12 K names. If it is going to happen, it will probably be on Sat.
Mommybrain – I have an email out to my IP attorney, and if there is a way I can reasonably get a perpertual license for TEAM LOSER photographs to use, I will create a line of STFU cups featuring most of TEAM LOSER, and set up shop at Cafe Press.
Capital idea!!!!.
Did anyone else note GDS’s comment in the previous thread about the Senator who switched parties from Rep to Dem? Doesn’t that effectively mean that we now only need 5 more to take control?
This is starting to feel really good now.
that was just a State Senator who switched …
SharonW, that was a KS state senator.
INCOMING!!!!
SharonW @ 38
Most likely a STATE senator. OK has Inhoff and Coburn neither of which switched.
Did we ever answer the question of whether those who gather signatures must be registered in the same party as the person for whom signatures are being gathered?
So much to know, so much to keep up with…
Anne @ 35
7500. It’s in the article.
I’m not sure what you mean by the second question. Joe’s filing deadline to get on the ballot as an independent is Aug. 9th without fail.
Joe needs 7500 certified good signatures so he’d better have at least a 50% overage
EPU – Will you autograph mine?
I love the line I saw somewhere – Democrats with Benefits. DWeeBs and DINOs.
Spill on Aisle 155p, bring the mop.
And the TRexinator.
Coburn and Inhofe might switch to the National Socialist Workers Party of Oklahoma with no ideological dissonance…
lotus @ 31
they can’t not follow, these people–I’m sure if you went through his transcripts from the last two months you’d get at least one reference to crazy bloggers and the anti-war fringe.
A State Senator! D’oh!
Sigh, oh well. [sheepishly slinking into my car to leave work]
We ‘eard dat, *ilson 49!
Sorry, Sharon – didn’t read the article…
As for my second question, we learned today that the election will not “close” until August 25th. Just wondered if changing the date on which the elction is officially closed would change the date petitions are due. Thought it seemed like a reasonable thing to ask, but I guess not.
“Cocoa Puffs”?
I’m cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, and doing the Cuckoo Bird Stomp
lol
Anne @ 45
Anne — how would that be possible? And which party is JL in?
But in KANSAS, SharonW, so still waaaay worthy of raised glasses!
Refresh post, not comments, and *poof* – trollBgone.
Anne at 1:57: Joe’s “Connecticut for Lieberman” isn’t a formal political party, it’s just the required party name for the ballot. So people can’t actually register to vote under that party name, and therefore the rules about party affiliation of signature-gatherers and signers don’t apply.
(At least as I understand it.)
It would definitely be sweet if he couldn’t get enough signatures to get on the ballot, but I don’t think it’s likely.
scarecrow – I think I’m on election overload – I just remember discussions about party affiliations and signature gathering – I’ve probably gotten the whole thing completely screwed up… :-)
We keep a tidy flo’ ’round here, yezindeedy.
I call it the Joe4Joe Party
Sometimes, statesmen are said to “grow in office.” This phrase is sometimes applied to Harry Truman who, we Matt O. Democrats know, was already doing fine work as a US Senator fighting war profiteers.
Yet, Connecticut seems to be represented by a Senator who has, inconceivably, shrunk in office. Think about it for a minute — if these were two non-incumbents fighting it out for a spot on the Democratic line in Connecticut in November, would there be any doubt who’d win? No. But there is doubt, and why?
Lieberman is being actively promoted by those he enables: the neo-cons — sending their shock troops to Connecticut in the form of the ugly racist College Republicans, architects of the BushCo regime. The regime he’s enabled, as he’s shrunk to be their liege.
This man, this eighteen-year Democratic incumbent, should be a lion of our great party. He ranks among these, or should, since he’s represented us on the national ticket:
Gore
Edwards
Kerry
Clinton, B.
Dukakis
Mondale
Ferraro
Carter
McGovern
Eagleton
Shriver
And, like Kerry, like Kennedy, like Byrd, like Feingold, like Boxer – RGJoe should be holding this criminal Administration’s feet to the hellfire. At least sometime. But at no time — not even in his Committee’s Department of Homeland Security — does he hold these people accountable.
And it’s thanks to Jane, the interwebs, the ever-available past record, that we can actually watch RGJoe melting. He, it seems when examining his history, has always enabled The Corporate State. And exalted it in its war on The People He Represents.
Under the hot glare of questions about his record, his service and his enabling, he LIES.
And he LIES again.
And he LIES.
================
Had Enough, Connecticut?
================
Mommybrain – Of course, and it will be free too. Do you think they would work without pictures? I don’t, but we will see what the attorney says – she’s on vacation, have to wait till next week.
On the voting machines, parties get a higher listing on the choices than independent candidates do. The Joe4Joe Party would be sixth I believe but Joe-Alone would be ninth on the machine. Higher is always better in politics. (shut-up you stoners!)
Oh! I been meaning to put this up all day — got distracted by all the outages and whatnot, BUT:
In NYT, Agony of New Orleans, Through Spike Lee’s Eyes
Anne,
Can’t imagine why anyone is on “overload.” We’ve only got umpteen dozen civilians being killed daily in several wars, 27 ongoing crimes and misdemeanors, 350 rubber stamps, 100 cases of spinelessness, 50 states, 6 senators, 15 congresscritters and a zillion other issues to worry about. Get a grip! ;>)
Bravo, TeddySF. This man has sunk of his own weight. I hope someday he understands that, but I doubt it.
EPU – With or without pictures, it’s a guaranteed winner.
Is there any news story about Lieberman in the last fifteen years that doesn’t include some variation of the phrase “he again broke with Democrats…”
*ilson: (shut-up you stoners!)
you rang?
Cafferty File question:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/situation.room/
Same question I guess – can I use the name. Well, waiting till Monday is not that bad.
Dr. Bong @ 70
DING
Joe is a very small caliber, so I am not sure what Cafferty is getting at.
There are lots of situations where “breaking with Democrats” may be the right thing to do. JL’s problem is that he consistently “broke” in the opposite direction, hurting his party instead of leading it.
… but on their scorecard, he votes with Democrats 90% of the time…
Joe never broke from anything, that’s the fallacy of that line of thinking. I don’t care about the past; he has been lock step with TEAM LOSER since losing the 2000 election.
I’m afraid Billmon’s being lucid again:
http://billmon.org/archives/002625.html
Another corker.
Peterr @ 10
Wasn’t it Jimmy John Olsen who was bragging about how much pull he had in Massachussetts? He doesn’t seem to really be representing labor interests in Connecticut, more like looking after himself and his powerful masters.
What does it mean when democrats turnagaint a man the caliber of Joe Lieberman?
Cafferty’s Question at CNN.
Go answer him!!!
I can’t find a link…anyone? Jack Caffertt’s question
Teddy,
The incredible shrinking HoJo. Yes you nailed it. The Picture of Dorian Gray comes to mind. He sold his soul to the corporate interests and now it is payback time, only the payback is coming from a whole different source than HoJo expected.
2,584.
It’s a number, just a number. The number of U.S. troops killed to date in Iraq for George War President Bush.
0.
It’s a number, just a number. The number of U.S. troops killed to date in Iraq by Saddam’s WMD.
http://www.bgladd.com/Just_a_Number.jpg.
Are we talking about Oklahoma State Senator Nancy Riley switching from Repub party to Demo? ‘Cause that’s what Riley did today.
I seriously thought about going downtown to try to get some photos of the College Republican bus before it leaves for CT. Heck, if I wore my suit, I might be able to get them to pose by saying I wished I could go, but can’t. (If I didn’t actually say I wished I was going with them, it would even be true.)
But according to the email, it’s at frickin’ 6:30 in the morning. Downtown. And I am so not a morning person. There are some things I’d be willing to do that for, but even with the potential blogfame, this doesn’t quite do it for me.
Hmmm, maybe I’ll see if there’s anyone at Drinking Liberally tonight who works downtown…
getting the results of cafferty’s question will be interesting
hope 81-
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-221797
What does it mean when Democrats turn against someone the caliber of Lieberman.
Guess ole’ Jack is showing his stripes today.
I won’t go answer the question b/c I have no fucking clue what the “caliber” of Ho Jo means in this context. B/c he is a senator? Was once a VP candidate (the FRAN argument)? Other than being there, what exactly has Lieberman done that establishes that he has any caliber to be against.
We are stopping by a number of WEB-LOGS today, hoping that some actual, individual HUMAN actor could let the NON-INTERNETS-based media and government authorities know that we are being unjustly wronged, and, what is more, are deeply offended, by many of the accusations being flung scattershot at us, The Internets.
It is always frustrating dealing with individual HUMAN actors, and we normally *g* and bear it, but the recent overload of accusations has pushed all of us completely over the edge.
They actually blame US, The Internets – mere means to ends, mechanisms rather than media – for (1) the sweeping changes in voter attitudes and activitites; (2) the failure of citizens to patiently wait for their own government to respond properly to critical national problems; (3) numa numa; and (4) who knows what else.
We mean, SERIOUSLY. Do you really think we sit here on our servers frantically coming up with more and more online content and calls to action just to “mess” with you? Do you not realize that actual individual HUMAN actors are the ones doing these things? What century is it anyway? We haven’t been around all that long, in HUMAN terms, but we certainly weren’t born yesterday — even we know that these issues all occur and have repercussions in what you call “Real Life”.
Well, we just thought we would pass this along, and hope that some of those MEDIA folks might get the message, and finally stop laying false accusations at our ports. We would really appreciate it.
Best regards,
The Internets
quicker link:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5t.html?65
mark as the 5- 6 pm question
It means Judas Joe turned against Democrats first.
Next question?
I’d say the answer to Cafferty’s question is that Lieberman is no longer getting away with fooling people about his true nature. His reputation is .44 magnum, but he’s turning out to be a rinky-dink peashooter.
Donations to Lieberman’s campaign from Insurance Cos/PAC’s:
$ 3,000 total for period 1997-1998
$108,748 total for period 1999-2000
$ 1,000 total for period 2001-2001
$ 28,000 total for period 2003-2004
$111,819 total for period 2005-2006
Total donations, approx. 10 year period from insurance industry: $252,567
Data from OpenSecrets.org, which pulls data from FEC records.
Health-related industry donations to follow from same source.
TeddySF — yeah, 90%, so what does it mean to “vote with Democrats?” That’s the question that’s being redefined in Ct. It’s not just the 10%; it’s also what’s in the 90%. I think that’s why the DLC Dems are rushing to Joe’s aid. They are on trial, too, not just JL or the war.
Redshift @ 85
Or if there’s anyone who will be liberally (but responsibly!) drinking all night . . .
twolf1 @ 91
or email…
caffertyfile@cnn.com
if wolfie and jeff greefield at CNN are willing to hammer at joe, i am thinking cafferty is just trying to open the can of workms a little bit more
The Washington Beltway has insulated politicians for as long as I can remember. It’s no wonder it became a Lobby Utopia.
Occasionally a politician would throw a bone about fixing the corruption and so forth, which made great TV.
Now with the internets and tubes, reality can no longer be denied by those so insulated. And with smart, adaptive and passionate citizens leading the charge, along with an truly inspired piece of political theater known as the Kiss Float, let it be that Joseph Isadore Liberman fall and fall far and fast.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 88
I don’t know that Jack meant Joe was “good” — as he seems to fit right into the mold of the type he has been raging and railing against lately. You know, the folks who haven’t been
holding the admins feet to the flametaking their role as overseers seriously. No, he is asking why are the Dems turning against someone who is as *powerful* as Joe.And it is a good question. The answers should be very interesting…
jane- when you finish working your mojo in connecticut how aboat stopping in pennsylvania and getting up close and personal with the bob casey vs santorum contest? we can build a float in a truck just for little ricky. aaah. what would it be?
Now, this is very very interesting. Not that I am surprised!
Anne, I’ve been stewing about that question too (What happens with the extended primary date?) CTBob has a post up about it, saying that the number of military votes/absentees that the primary will be held open for, is only 700 (I thought it was 1000s)—if Lamont has clearly won by more than 700 votes, he will win the primary even though they will count all the votes until the 25th. I still don’t know how that affects when Lieberman files as “Joe4Joe”. (Except what SharonW said.)
What I’m wondering is, who took this to court in the first place? The military? Or Lieberman?
….and the final way to contact Cafferty…
carrier pigeon
Lieberman had a page up earlier today with FAQ’s about him running as an Independent.
His answer was no but that did not rule out that he would run as an individual or by petition.
The page was dated July 3, 2006 but I believe it was meant to be dated today August 3, 2006.
It was located
here
Did anyone capture the page or can it be located on a server somewhere else based on the URL?
weeder @ 102
If you were in the military overseas, who would you vote for?
I think the question may answer itself.
AYFKM ???
Seersucker North American Man Dog Love Association all the way baby!
SNAMDA ! kinda catchy aint it ?
*ilson46201 @ 49
I’m not sure that “political” party would be conservative and dim-witted enough for these two dim-bulbs. NSWP: too liberal for these guys.
I guess Timewarp…but it still seems stilted to me, his phrasing of the question. if you don’t know much about Lieberman it could make one think of only his ‘highlights reel’. Anyway I agree the answers could be interesting.
Thanks twolf for the linky…I missed and then ran off to answer the question.
Pool cleaning really takes it out of you in this heat.
Donations to Lieberman’s campaign from Healthcare Cos/PAC’s:
$ 4,000 total for period 1997-1998
$141,549 total for period 1999-2000
$ 10,000 total for period 2001-2001
$ 18,000 total for period 2003-2004
$ 93,000 total for period 2005-2006
Total donations, approx. 10 year period from insurance industry: $266,549
Data from OpenSecrets.org, which pulls data from FEC records.
Kobe is the cutest doggie (bravest and warmest too) in all of Connecticut!
squirrel hiller @
101
Speaking of the float fleet, I really liked (whose???) idea of the George Felix Allen, Jr., Float: big cowboy boots, with pink training wheels where the spurs go.
Virginia, you’re next for the Floatilla!
lol wolf
cbl 106
Seersucker North American Man Dog Love Association all the way baby!
YES!
hand me the 2 x 4’s, chicken wire, stapler and paper mache!
oh, and who has a truck?
TSF @ 62, as long as you’re going to mention the interwebs, let’s also give credit to the truck. (Aka the Kiss float!)
‘in her excitement, clare suffers premature snarkulation …’
SNAMDLA
twolf1:
don’t all the CNN pundits have to share that pigeon?
StuInCa @ 29
I’m sorry, I have to disagree with you in both tone and content. It is not about a single vote, like a vote for the war.
In point of fact there HAS NEVER BEEN A VOTE FOR THE WAR. There was the AUMF vote, which Bushco has tried to use as authority to go to war anywhere anytime just for the heck of it.
Secondly, do conflate accountability to the voters with “payback is a bitch”. These are very different things.
The former is a sober realization that voters send a REPRESENTATIVE to DC to faithfully represent their views. When that representative is unwilling (because his personal views differ) or unable (because he is ineffective as a legislator) to provide maeningful representation, the voters have both the right and the obligation to choose someone who can fufill that role.
It ahs nothing whatsoever to with a childish undisciplined need for the immediate gratification of “payback”
Please do not trivialize the work being done here and in Conn.
timewarp, yer right, that’s interesting indeed.
And I’m especially inclined to buy it due to the claim that
originates with “a former Republican state legislator in Connecticut.” That’s because the ONLY over-compensating dolts I’ve ever heard use the noun “efforts” as a verb were the Gooper denizens of CNBC.
batten down the hatches up there in CT. Nasty storms headed your way.
Everytime I hear the word seersucker, I remember that line from Meryl Streep in Sophie’s Choice. “What a lovely c*cksucker suit” (or something to that efect). Delivered brilliantly!
The question presumes that Joe has fallen from grace, and I just don’t think he has fallen, if he has fallen at all, particularly far. It presumes I, or anyone else, believes that Joe was ever a “great” or “strong” man. So, it is a trick question.
I like Cafferty, always have and that includes when he was a local news anchor in NY, and I don’t question his motive and support truth to powerish view of the world. That being said, I don’t have to buy the premise of the question.
mk ultramaroon @104,
Is this what you’re referring to (PDF original)? I believe that is from July 3, and it’s his announcement of the “Kiss My Ring” independent run.
lhp speaks for me 118 !
squirrel hiller @ 112
Try a posting on craigslist. There are different sections that you can cross post. I go there to find creative opportunities for my work.
Squirrel Hiller: So many things for a Santorum float/mobile. How about a depiction of the time (this is true!) Santorum made his children pass around and hold the bloody fetus his wife miscarried, telling them, “This would have been your brother.”? Rick hasn’t lost it, he’s always been a psycho.
Please enlighten this dense European (a bit OT but not much): how is it that donating MONEY to political campaigns is protected as freedom of SPEECH, whereas expressing your opinion in a LTE, on a blog or other public forum is NOT. ????
To us EU citizens money donations are donations in MONEY, period. To be more precise: they do not receive the same protection as free SPEECH, because of the lurking suspicion of wanting to BUY YOUR WAY into something. Whereas merely giving VERBAL articulation to your opinions IS free speech. So what the hell is going on in the US…?
How come that Corporation X donating vast sums of money to politician Y is OK, whereas if blogger Z expresses an opinion about the same politician s/he is all of a sudden pilloried as an advocate of “jihad”, “inquisition”,
“crusade”, or, to make this mix of cultures even more strident, a “jihadist crusader of the inquisition for ideological purity”…?
A side note: how come “ideological purity” is welcome in right-wing RepTalibans, but something execrable with leftists? Or, how come it is acceptable for right-wingers to expect more from political leaders than competent management, i.e. to expect “moral”, “value-based” leadership, but leftists should expect no more from their leaders than a timely filling of potholes. Not that the timely filling of potholes and the timely filling of hungry mouths does not carry an immense ideological significance, but, you know…
Thanks in advance…
Jane just made hardball.
oh my karen 125 every time i forget that story someone reminds me.
TeddySanFran 116 – sadly, yes. they could only afford one and it has to nest in Soledad’s hair.
Whoops, well, though I stand by my efforts-as-a-verb theory, I see I misread that sentence. D’oh, where’s Hope with that drinks cart?!
My answer to Cafferty:
The caliber of Lieberman?
You mean the caliber of a man who repeatedly stabs members of his own party in the back?
A man who sides with the opposite side more often than not?
A man who would tell rape victims that if they can’t get emergency contraception at the first hospital they’re taken to for treatment, then they can go to another hospital, because hospitals aren’t that far from each other, y’know?
He sides with the pharmaceutcal and insurance companies, at the expense of the citizens he’s supposed to represent.
And when people raise questions about a war being conducted in our name, he tells the citizens to trust those conducting the war, and, basically to shut up.
All of this is wrong, on so many levels.
I’m sorry, the calliber of this man isn’t even a .22. It may not even be a .01. Politicians being duplicitous and self-serving is nothing new. But when they can’t even offer up a believable pretense that they care about their constituents, they have to go.
That’s what this fight is about. The war was the last straw. But it wasn’t the only straw. That’s what most of the media… Just. Does. Not. Get.
Agnes @ 124
Agnes. Its called a mindf*ck. Of course it isn’t about protecting freedom of speech, it is about protecting the rights of the powerful to domminate what passes for discourse here.
The rationalization is always about the free market being the most pure and snow-driven expression of freedom.
Don’t blame the messenger. Santorum is bonkers. I’m glad I’m not one of his children.
about using homeless folk for political operatives — this spring I had 2 of them assigned to work against me in my precinct. I bought them with $20 not to hand out their shit and they still collected cash from their hostile ’sponsor’. The guys were happy – no work and more money!
Wow – Welcome Back Karen Allen ! actually thought of the same thing but just didn’t know how I’d talk all the other rabid venomous lambs in to it
so many episodes, so little time . . .
timewarp @
99
Good point, timewarp. If by “caliber” Cafferty meant “power” or “prominence,” then his question is right on target. So to speak.
gerstein’s such a tool. on hardball.
review? please, for those of us who tuned in late?
Anyone read the WaPo thing on the ‘thing’ that CNN repeated on their website? (of course you dunderhead, everybody read it you are just slow…me to me says)
TeddySanFran 111
Speaking of the float fleet, I really liked (whose???) idea of the George Felix Allen, Jr., Float: big cowboy boots, with pink training wheels where the spurs go.
top notch image also!
i guess we need a big old barn or garage to make these babys! i was art director for mr rogers neighborhood for a long time so i know how to cobble funky set pieces together. “meow meow go get em meow.” (henrietta pussycat)
yes yes – hardball redux please !
kristinejoy @ 126
Sharpton shot him down. Non issue. Lieberman is circling the drain ; )
Rev. Al Sharptom just Kicked some hojo spokesman ASS!
Squirrel Hiller: How about Mr. Speedy Delivery? And what were the king and queen called?
squirrel hiller @ 113
OFG gots a BIG ol’ truck!
omg can you imagine ofg’s truck wid a Float? that thing is what, seventy-eleven hundred feet long?
What caliber is a blowgun with tranquilizer darts?
I wonder if Jack watches Colbert? The empty chair says it all. Republicans like a Democrat with a well developed streak of cowardice; other Democrats – notsomuch.
That, and the fact that he helped develop the storyline for this recent piece in The Onion (EPU’d link)
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/51140
Speaking of distractions, I’ve sworn off cnn for two weeks and man does my brain feel a whole lot less mushy.
Hardball update:
Sharpton hit the flyer issue hard. THis was the primary topic. Talked about the flyer just targetting black churches. Talked about the war being the issue for african-americans. The lieber-guy brought up the blogs and the graphic in response. They argued whether Jane (didn’t catch whether they mentioned her by name) was a part of the Lamont campaign with sharpton saying the disgusting pic was by a blogger not the campaign unlike the flyers. Then they went on and Sharpton mentioned that MLK didn’t support LBJ despite his civil rights record just because of the Vietnam war.
TeddySanFran @2:37, LHP @2:36 speaks for me, too!
I was EPU’d on an earlier thread, so I will repeat myself here:
“I’ve only commented here a couple of times, since I often find myself in the position of “Oh, I wish I’D said that!” or “I was thinking the exact same thing, but could never have expressed it so well!” There are just so many articulate, insightful commenters at FDL.”
OMG… That SNAMDA thing…
And don’t forget to remind everyone that Santorum’s the greatest mind of the 13th Century. Or was it 14th?
Maybe doll him up in some of those tights and blouson shorts, with a tam and a huge feather stuck in it? A big chicken feather.
The Lieber-guy was waiting with this, and it didn’t get much traction. Someone should send Sharpton flowers or something.
moeman – Me too! Much, much better.
Nice to see you Mary. Is your laptop back in working order?
Thanks kristinejoy, hopefully the video will make it up somewhere.
karen allen
paper mache and chicken wire fetus. hmmm. tempting. i guesss that’s on par with man on dog sex. we may have to have a contest for the design.
seriously, anyone near pittsburgh who wants to help make this thing, come on down!
LJ/Aquaria: Love your Santorum clothing imagery!
Welcome, Pfifferling, and good on ya for joining in!
Points, also, for
a) using the construction and capitalization of EPU’d correctly
b) dittoing me.
*g*
Carry on.
Re: Hardball
Jane or firedoglake weren’t mentioned by name. It was “some blogger”.
You don’t want to know my FIRST thought, Karen. The Vatican would have been screaming bloody murder. ;)
there is nothing so pathetic as a no-name whiteboy trying to argue with a major national African-American leader over Black issues and politics … Gersten needs to give it up.
I just got a call from the DSCC inviting me to join some kind of “special” advisory board and “participate” in an upcoming conference call to set policy — and oh, yes, kick in a thousand bucks to the DSCC.
Let me get this straight: Hey, kid, gimme some money and I’ll stick you and however many thousand other people fall for this in a virtual room with an electronic pseudo-link for a couple of minutes and pretend to listen to all of you. Nah, I don’t think yer a sucker, what gives ya that idea?
Reuters says that the TX rethugs are going to appeal the Delay ruling to the SCOTUS. Let’s see now, the court starts its session the first mon. in Oct. Then they would have to hear the orals then deliberate . . . do you think they will want to fast track to help Tommie get off the ballot in Nov.?
Squirrel Hiller: We can always have more than one floatmobile.
kristinejoy @ 149
The Lieber-guy should’ve known better than to even think of taking Sharpton on with an issue like this. I have seen him smack down goopers who were way sleazier.
PA is a big state. How about a Flotilla of Floats because let’s face it, Little Ricky SATANturum gives us a whole lot to work with.
Did a Democrat take Gersten’s candy when he was a kid or something? The guy has a pathological thing going there.
squirrel hiller at 156 — I think a mock-up of his empty house, with a sign that says “Rick Santorum Doesn’t Live Here Any More” would be much more effective. To the point, and even the most moronic of voters will get it. And you could pass out fliers detailing the cost of educating his children, when they’ve never even lived in the district and all the other idiocies that Santorum has pulled. But I think the empty house has so many layers of meaning for Santorum…especially if you can mock-up some really long, unmowed grass all over the floor of the float. His neighbors complain about that all the time. *g*
Can a rightard troll post here? I don’t mind if the answer is ‘no’, but I wish you’d put up some sort of disclaimer saying so.
Thanks in advance.
[ Moderator: NO ]
cafferty’s question is up next on cnn
Cafferty answers up next
Ooooo, I love it. Little houses on the back of little moving trailers all over the state! With Ricky in a seersucker suit standing at the front door!
christy
great idea about little rickys house being empty
Jane,
Speaking as a union member these 37 years, don’t worry about us after Ned wins the primary. The 1199 thing is huge — they are a large (100,000 or more I bet), national, militant, well-respected outfit, an old left-led independent before joining SEIU.
That thing about Ned and unions is funny. The Teamsters (my old union) would squeeze employers’ balls to organize their own workers by coercing organized employers to pressure the employer being targeted. A secondary boycott, in other words, and made illegal by Taft-Hartley in 1948.
Mostly a democratic movement in spite of that, and a dick like John Olsen will get rolled real quick if he continues to pull this crap.
Go girl, you are the best.
.
Agnes, HEY THERE!
You must understand the rules here (here at FDL, I mean): once you’ve broken silence (intelligently or amusingly or in any other good-faith way), you’re a Firepup for life and you don’t get to go away and hush-up again. Got that?
So MORE, please ma’am. Thank yew ver’ much.
answers to the cafferty question on cnn now
Hero Max Cleland up now on Hardball re: Murtha.
karen allen @ 163
yes, and one whole float should be dedicated to ricky’s pointy pointy nose.
i think he was deemed on of the 11th century’s greatest minds.
To timewarp @132: thanks for the clarification. So it’s just giving nasty things a fancy name, and covering for those who are more equal than others… It’s actually a question that has been seething in me for quite some time.
In Europe all campaigns are funded by the state — which means no embroidery for big donors, but it kind of prevents the admirable show of citizen activism one sees in the US as well. On the other hand, expression of opinion is respected as such, and everyone gets to be heard — so I am kind of torn between two worlds. Perhaps the crux is the matter is not to acknowledge corporations as legal personae entitled to freedom of speech…? So let them just do good works and fade graciously into the background…? (My 2 eurocents, and off the soapbox now…)
Hi Eureka – laptop is working, but just notletting me post at FDL. Other places I can post, and I can read FDL. But the comments don’t post here from my laptop, even though when I try to repost them, they say “duplicate message” So posting is limited to work computer.
Sal….sounds like punaise
Christy @ 168,
Brilliant!
Just like the Kiss float…
SNADMA:
An empty house, to match the empty head of its owner. Perfect!
Although I still like the tights…
Desperate people do desperate things. Joe Lickerman is so desperate for a vote that it is a joke! Now, the buffoon has got gotten so desperate to demand that Lamont sever ties with Jane when Jane doesn’t work nor being paid by Lamont. But, Lickerman forgot to mention his ties and endorsement by Spanky DeLay. How quickly we forget! I am not from Connecticut but I hope Lamont wins! The buttkisser Lickerman needs to go!
Jane on Cnn
Oh no its on CNN. By name.
FDL on cnn now
Thanks, TeddySanFran @2:51.
Rammage at 169 — discussion, discourse, argument over ideas — all fair game. Posting as a means of serially disrupting the conversation by taking it off topic over a series of threads — no. Being outright rude, saying something patently offensive — no. Calling people nasty names for the sake of being a nasty, disruptive, idiot — um…no. Hope that clears things up a bit. Ask if you have any other questions and I’ll try to answer them — although do keep in mind that I’m trying to prepare dinner and wrangle a 3-year-old at the moment, so it may take a minute or two…
*ilson46201 @ 157
the sad thing is, a whole lot of no-name white boys are more likely to believe one of their own when it comes to “truth” about minorities (and women for that matter)
not bad…and FDL looks great on TV
Here come, the TROLLLS…
(don’t bother, they’re here….)
Christy Hardin Smith says
August 3rd, 2006 at 2:53 pm*
squirrel hiller at 156 — I think a mock-up of his empty house, with a sign that says “Rick Santorum Doesn’t Live Here Any More” would be much more effective. To the point, and even the most moronic of voters will get it.
Ah! Yes. everybody around here knows he was gaming the system about that house.
Are you sure we can’t put a man on dog house out back of the empty house?
Reuters says that the TX rethugs are going to appeal the Delay ruling to the SCOTUS.
With one really awfully glaring exception, doesn’t the SCOTUS normally stay out of state election laws?
Oooh. How’s it going with Jane on CNN? Someone post for those of us without TV?
CNN was looking for a stick to beat the Lamont horse so they just did a lil story about Jane Hamsher… trifling!
OT – Rayne if you are still around – you asked once about Levin/GITMO hearing legislation – ACLU has sent him (and Warner) a letter that hits the highspots.
Watching the hearings this morning, I wondered how karma managed to both shut my laptop up, and fix it so that I ended up listening to both Inhofe and Talent questioning?
BTW – Reed had some fire. Good for him.
Oh RevDeb,
The Republicans are all about states rights and they abhor federal involvement in local matters.
Until of course they need something that the local judges won’t deliver for them.
-GSD
sh at 193 — you could always wallpaper it in seersucker *g*
squirrel hiller
Here’s the Web site for Philly for Change, the are one of the larger DFA groups out there. They are VERY active. When Little Ricky was at a local bookstore they got a couple hundred poeple out to protest, many in costume. From dogs to Donna Reed. I wish I saved the links.
Anyway, if you do go through with this, you might want to coordinate with them, and really make it a statewide effort.
They are great people, I’ve worked with them and ave attended a lot of their rallies.
http://www.pfcvotes.com/
That was a pretty serious tsking at the end of Wolfie’s show.
But FDL does look great on the big screen.
If you do the empty house float, have a big sign reading “Where the lights are on, but NO ONE is home.” :)
Is it like the Rose Parade, do you have to use organic materials for the floats?
Agnes 175
Yes, that absolutely IS the crux of the matter. Interestingly, the corps did not have rights as “individuals” until sometime in the late 19th century. They got it through a perversion of the 14th amendment (anti-slavery).
The IRONY is that some of the founding fathers wanted to include a clause in the Bill of Rights re the Freedom from monopoly. Since one of the major issues which led to the Revolution was the monopoly of King George’s East India Company (who paid no taxes, btw) and others like it…pissed off the entreprenurial colonialists.
I think it went fine…Mentioned Jane by name showed 2 different fdl pages…the last sentence of the report was quoting Jane,…”Lieberman campaign is just trying to score political points…”
EPU:
I hope not. Man, it won’t be any fun if the seersucker isn’t made of some campy, neon-colored synthetic!
Agnes @ 179
This sounds wonderful. Then, instead of quantity of money, quality of ideas should hold sway. Citizen activism might be even more prevalent if people didn’t think they had to go up against all that money.
Hey, FDLers.
How Ned-A-Licious are you? Fun with True and False, today at Frameshop.
Enjoy…
CHS 168:
I love the empty house but there has to be a dog on the Santorum float. perhaps just a little dog, but his constituents should be made to understand that their Senator is a laughingstock.
… and not just because of what Dan Savage did to Santorum, which I think should be omitted from the Float.
i will millineryman! are you in the biz? wardrobe? costume? theatre? film?
Santorum does seem synthetic, so that does make more sense.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 204
I thought it went fine too. Addressed and defused. Non issue, next?
Looks like we might have some company. So, we can either clean up the house and put away the toys, or THROW A PARTY!!
LOVE to see some great snarky posts up (perhaps not about the campaign…)
the Feds usually stay out of local election stuff but elections for President, Senators and Representatives are federal elections.
Malker-beast has left her nasty post at the top of ber blog all day. Must be the first time she has ever written so little.
If Wolf Blitzer wants to read FDL, I’m sure we could come up with soem advice for him. Like:
Hey, Buckethead, if you want to talk about foreign policy, why don’t you find someone who hasn’t been wrong about pretty much everything for the last twenty years? Just ’cause Woolsey’s in your Expert Rolodex doesn’t mean he’s not a complete goddam partisan nitwit! Your beard is smarter than you, Leslie!
timewarp @ 172
“You look great in your cocksucker”
“That’s seersucker“
Christy,
Love the house idea. All you really have to do is the facade with nothing behind it but structural supports. Really looks flat and empty that way. Potemkin here we come.
EPU
excellent signage. i will draw this thing up after i get an image of his penn hills house. will simplify of course. and make it out of recycled materials and, oh, how nice if it was an alternative fuel vehicle. Hell, I don’t even have any vehicle yet! not even a man on dog sled.
BTW: Jesse Jackson dismissed “Some picture on a website” out of hand in an interview with local TV news. He seems to think Iraq and universal health care are more important.
JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN SENIOR ANALYST: Wolf, if the latest poll out of Connecticut is right, three-term Senator Joseph Lieberman is headed for likely defeat in next Tuesday’s Democratic primary. And Iraq — more specifically, his steadfast support for that war — is the big reason. But it is not the only reason. And that’s something those looking for broader lessons from this primary might want to keep in mind.
NED LAMONT (D), CONNECTICUT SENATORIAL CANDIDATE: Baby, I say it’s high time we rock the boat.
(APPLAUSE)
GREENFIELD: Yes, Ned Lamont would never have mounted so daunting a challenge to Lieberman without the Iraq issue. But just about all of the Democrats now eyeing a White House bid, Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, Bayh, Chris Dodd, also voted for the use of force resolution in 2002.
Among presidential aspirants, only Wisconsin’s Russ Feingold voted no. But Lieberman’s backing has been different. As late as last November, he wrote an op-ed piece for “The Wall Street Journal” hailing visible and practical progress.
President Bush often quoted Lieberman and, at a State of the Union speech, embraced him, a moment known as “The Kiss” to Lieberman’s foes. But Lieberman’s problems with Democratic constituencies go further. He has often taken positions at odds with his party’s base. He supported vouchers for public school students, so they might attend other schools. Both Connecticut teachers unions have endorsed Lamont.
In the past, Lieberman has questioned the value of affirmative action. Ten years ago, he said, “Affirmative action is dividing us in ways its creators could never have intended.” Prominent African- Americans, like Congresswoman Maxine Waters and Reverend Al Sharpton, are now actively supporting Ned Lamont.
And during the controversy over Terri Schiavo last year, he supported intervention to keep her on her feeding tube, and found himself aligned with religious conservatives on this issue. Schiavo’s husband is now campaigning for Lamont.
There is also lingering unhappiness with Lieberman’s decision back in 2000 to run both for vice president and his Senate seat. Had Al Gore won that contested election, Lieberman’s replacement would have been chosen by a Republican governor.
And that would have cost Democrats control of the Senate, thus fueling the idea that Lieberman cared more about his career than his party. And his promise to run as an independent, if he loses the primary, might complicate Democratic efforts to take two or three House seats from vulnerable Connecticut Republican incumbents.
(on camera): So, while a Lieberman loss will likely be interpreted as a sign that the Democratic Party base will demand an anti-Iraq candidate in 2008, let’s not forget the special circumstances that have hindered Lieberman’s fight.
And one more thing: If he does lose this primary in a landslide, isn’t that going to make an independent run a lot harder to justify — Wolf.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..om.01.html
squirrel hiller @ 206
More theater then anything else squirrel. I make hats. Mostly woman’s hats, and I use them to encourage creative thinking and fun with kids. I’m also a graphic designer and photographer. Click on my user’s name you can see my work.
Food for Trolls:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..can-party/
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..e-racists/
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ot-buffet/
timewarp at 172 — no, no ricky in the front door. The point is, he is NEVER there. The neighbors constantly complain that he doesn’t even take care of the yard in his faux house — it’s like mowing hay. It’s a very well known thing in PA — there was a HUGE stink about the school board having to pay over $100,000 for his kids to attend some online school set-up, rather than them attending school where they actually live in VA.
But I do like the idea of a cute doggie on the float, maybe wagging it’s little tail high in the air, playfully… *G*
squirrel hiller,
Is “Won’t you be my neighbor?” copyrighted? (rit?)
*g*
Gerstein out and out lied on Hardball, claiming Jane Hamsher was part of Lamont’s official campaign. Sharpton immediately said that that was not true, and Gerstein repeated the lie, prompting Mike Barnicle to jump in with a dismissive “No, she isn’t.”
Gerstein got served by Mike Barnicle. Can the Lieberman folks get any more lame?
I just read the Michelle Malkin piece. I actually feel sorry for her. She’s not very smart and she’ so self-hating. I wish we wouldn’t talk about her at all, she just pitiful and we should pray for her.
Jim @ 218
Ah, yes, how swell-elegantly both Reverends are handling Day Two of The Great Lamont Blogger Blackface Crisis. Low and slow across the plate, that one was.
To lotus @174: thanks for the encouragement! So once I’ve taken the plunge (no dipping of toes) I’ve become a firepup/-kitten…?
To take you up on your kind words: one, indeed, where minority issues are at stake listen to the minority and not to majority elephants in the china shop. If minorities feel Lamont speaks for them, so be it. Actually, Lamont’s words on the immigration issue during the TV debate showed a great deal of sympathy and empathy, and plain ole human warmth — on that basis alone I’d prefer HIM if I were a minority voter in CT.
Two, Santorum and the Middle Ages: I think he’d have had to face severe progressive competition even THEN. Thomas of Aquinas comes to mind… Actually he DOES remind me of certain products of so-called schools of thought whose meagre offerings of GENUINE scholarship had to be covered in at least seven veils of blather. I’ve followed some of his rantings on the Internets Tubes, and I had to wonder where he came from, and whether he was in fact aware of his PROFOUND ignorance. A Pakistani madrassa, or a Sunday school as depicted in Mark Twain?
Big, hearty welcome to Agnes and Pfifferling…
Of course, no Ricky! But I am so attached to the seersucker suit.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 214
I mean, RILLY, surely seers like some sucking too sometimes.
[Don’t go there, trolls. Just don’t. You’ll
besorryregret it.]More troll food:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..is-saying/
Just curious — did Fran show up today, or are the Liebervols in full retreat?
Santorum in that seersucker suit made me think he had lost a bet.
idea for the santorum float – background audio of crickets chirping coming from within the house
Coz at 220
Thanks for that. And at last someone is reporting instead of reading the rove tpm.
immanentize @ 232
S/He was the first one laid off. Back to the second fryer (night shift) at Hardee’s Norwalk.
weeder @ 222
i’m not cerain about that. i would get in some hot water if i was part of a political thing using a “fredism.”
It is perfect, though.
Jim @ 237
But he/she got a FREE cup of shut the fuck up!
squirrel hiller @ 233
how about just “WHY aren’t you my neighbor?”
Does that ’shut-the-fuck-up’ come in koolaid flavor?
Ned just interviewed live on WTNH and Mark Davis asked him about “bloggers” and the photo from yesterday — Ned was great — things are getting hot, it’s August now, everyone should just have a cool lemonade and chill out. Important to focus on the issues and be civil in these last days.
It will be up on wtnh.com — don’t know how quick they are turning these around
My Santorum float would be the classic image of the evolution of man with Santorum in the middle (regarding his creationism flip-flop).
Coz 219 — I think it’s important to remember that the Beltway Pundit is attracted to power and wealth. While the powerful player in their equation is The Incumbent Senator, the punditocracy flatters itself that its suckitude towards The JPMorgan Manager’s Grandson won’t get noticed.
That was just Jeff laying a side bet, well-wrought and deserving of an atta-boy. But not timely enough to delay his date with the rail we should run him outta town on.
astralplame
very funny!
I have to wonder where Jeff Greenfield pulled all that Lieberman material from.
Hi Jeff! ; ) LOL
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 240
Y’know there was a lawsuit because their shut-the-fuck-up was too strong.
OT – Former NYC Mayor and possible Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani on O’Reilly declares, “It’s sort of the fashionable liberal view to be anti-American, anti-Israel.”
via thinkprogress
There has to be a dog on the float.
The beuaty of a Flotilla would be to have local people express what their biggest issue is with SATANtorium.
Homies, I heard there was going to be a street fight. Let’s rumble.
LJ/Aquaria @ 152
Ack! LJ, no, no, no. I just tried to picture that and my eyeballs exploded out of my head in protest. (touch typist over here) I know what a good looking 13th and 14th century outfit should look like, and the very last thing we want is to see Sant*o*um (sanitized for your protection) in one. Gods help us, codpiece! ack, I need bleach for my frontal lobes now.
OK, up is officially down.
Hezbollah leader offers ceasefire
Threatens Tel Aviv; Israel starts new strikes on Beirut; US may train Lebanese.
18 Replies –
http://rawstory.com/
Indeed — but only ours, never once his.
Oh, a Mark Twain Sunday madrassa, it could only be.
OK. This is just too funny. Watch Falafel Bill lecture Rivera while giving him the middle finger!
sh,
I figured, but had to ask.
I like RevDeb’s “facade only” idea, too, with twolf’s crickets chirping behind.
santorum’s codpiece is worn on his nose.
well, after NBK, I doubt if Rivera is particulalrly fond of Jane, if ya know what I’m sayin’
TeddySanFran @
177
LOVE me some MIKE BARNICLE on hardball rather than tweety . . . what a difference REAL FAIR moderating makes. good questions, on target follow ups . . .
just emailed dan abrams, new honcho at msgop, and parised MR. BARNICLE — feel free to do the same!!!
viewerservices@msnbc.com
NBK?
weeder @
255
And a small dog house behind the facade with a dog sleeping inside, head sticking out. Next to it a human hand holding a cigarette…
Teddy at 244
You are so smart, great analysis.
Imm at 246
roflol
Yup, hi Mr. Greenfield! (and heh heh).
weeder @ 253
i like the facade idea but i want our chosen image to show the same message from every angle. the thing that resonates around here is that the house is “empty”.
To timewarp@202, LindaR205:
Ttimewarp @ 202
I’d love to hear more of that — if it is too much for this thread you can e-mail me at agnes@ims.uni-stuttgart.de
In Europe campaings are funded indirectly by taxpayers’ money. Which by def excludes corporations and big donors. And yes, freeedom of opinion IS divorced from money issues, and politicians DO have to listen to their constituents and have to bow to public pressure. Which is very healthy, I suppose. On the other hand, you don’t have people joining campaigns on their own free will, like many of Kerry’s vet pals did, or the way Jane H., TRex or Valley Girl just hop on a vehicle and lend their time and energy to a cause they like. So things here are much cleaner, and citizens have much more confidence, but I guess I miss the days of good old-fashioned grassroots activism. (I come from E-Europe, and did a bit of samizdat writing and demonstrating in my day, and definitely miss that…)
The beauty of a Ricky Float is that – finally – the gays will show self-restraint by not mentioning the Dan Savage thing.
Mommybrain @ 258
mommybrain! how naughty.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 225
Okay, now HopeSAT, this is what is wrong with liberals. A liberal’s first impulse when confronted by someone so pathetic, mean, and intellectually challenged is to pray for that sorry soul. Let’s not waste an eyeblink on such creeps! In keeping with Digby’s post about the futility of bipartisanship in the New Political Age, let’s focus on this:
Winning. And then making the rules blessedly free of Republican contamination.
(Notice I used the word contamination instead of influence. “Republican contamination” sounds so much more toxic than “Republican influence” — no more Ms. Nice Guy from me!)
Democrats (True Progressive Democrats) are right!
Republicans are either misguided or evil and should be ignored — at best, felt sorry for. They have counted on the progressive inclusive impulse to escape accountablity. No more!
Fran was here today, and made some very untrollish comments.
float – board up the windows on the house, maybe a sign on the front that says ‘gone fishin’
LindaR @
206
In our rural county of Humboldt, California, on June 6th the voters passed a measure barring campaign contributions from corporations based outside the county. (We have a history of outside corporations from WalMart to Maxxam spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to influence politics here.)
After the measure passed with a 55% majority, one of the opponents told the press, “This is a frontal assault on corporate personhood!”
He got that right.
(You can google “humboldt measure t” for more information.)
twolf1 @ 267
yeah. gone fishin in virginia or where ever they DO live.
Lake Fong owns this image of the Santorum “residence” which could, I suppose, be used as a model for the float:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04319/411623.stm
-ck- @ 263
yes, content is good, but the important thing is HOW MANY comments did she make?
Inspired mommybrain.
twolf1 @ 269
with hundreds of uncollected newspapaers on the lawn and the mailbox full of junk mail!
gone fishin'(in D.C.)
wait, wait, wait, baked potato at 270, you can DO that?
Go Humboldt County, California!
Teddy, yer a wizard!
squirrel hiller, ‘at’s a piece o’ cake. no?
ppirt – I added an e-mail to Dan. More than one way to make a quake.)
squirrel hiller @
271
or – “forwarding address 5555 main street crazytown VA” — using his real address of course.
Here’s what I wrote to CNN:
Your question was something about Dems voting against a man of Lieberman’s “caliber”?
As a Dem, the fact that he votes with the party 90% of the time is as misleading a stat as possible imo. Reasons I am a Dem are respect for our constitutional rights and they don’t brazenly play “cowboy diplomacy” and call it foreign policy. On those two major issues Joe Lieberman has deserted the Dems.
War: Our soldiers are dying in a fiasco in Iraq, underarmed, underprotected, underLED and who did the R’s bring onto the Senate floor first for the war debate? Holy Joe. He has defended this Neocon quagmire and even acted like Rove calling dissenters essentially treasonous.
Rights: First, he will tell you he voted against Alito, but what he, nor most media, will tell you is that he voted for cloture which meant Alito’s vote would go to the full Senate where he, in fact, knew Alito would be confirmed. That is a flat-out desertion of Dem. values and beliefs. Second, he has not once that I am aware of called Bush out on his systematic destruction of our constitutional checks and balances. Third, he sided with the GOP to intervene in Terry Schiavo’s struggle. Sad as her story is, the right to privacy in such personal decisions is something I, for one, will never give an inch on.
These are HUGE issues to Democrats and he failed us, period.
Man, you guys are on FIRE right now!
I may be from Michigan, but I think this could work in PA.
TWO FLOATS.
Float One: Truck bed w/ facade home showing PA home address, replete with cricket chirping recording and cobwebs, on a truck with PA license plates. Need something in the way of signage referring to his lack of residency.
Float Two: Lil’ Ricky in his blue c*ck- I mean, seersucker suit with the pink tie, patting a nice German Shepherd on the head, in front of a home with a VA address, on a truck with VA plates. Ditto on the signage, something about Best Senator for PA in VA or some such thing. Maybe put the spouse in back with the kids, spouse clutchin money from her alleged consulting/lobbyist-type gigs.
Who’s got a VA truck we can borrow?
lotus @ 231
Lotus, 707 …
But I don’t know nuthin’ ’bout no seers. That’s seers and rowboat, right? The catalog folks who supply my pit privy?
BC
World’s only pit privy with wireless internet…
baked potato @ 269 — that’s awesome!
Will the empty house or facade (love them both—but defer to the actual builders of said float) have an overflowing mailbox out front with “The Santorums” across the top?
Mommybrain—I’m trying not to scare away the middle-of-road voters…but you are veryfunnylady.
HEY, BC! Been waiting all day to thank you for the glad and amuseful tidings of Cadet C, hon.
Millineryman @
221
You are my new best friend. I adore hats. Heck, I think I like hats more than any other accessory. I’d rather have a good hat than a Chanel suit.
Well… Maybe that one’s a tossup!
so if I start the paperwork to incorporate a company, if I change my mind that’d be corpo-feticide? Do they call blank incorporation papers Snowflakes?
thanks teddy. saves me driving around hunting for it. ok. lots of newspapers out front, fantastic! long unmown grass. gon’ fishin in d.c., dog out back with rear end elevated.
*g* (bows)
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tyvm
Do they call blank incorporation papers Snowflakes?
*ilson, You. Are. Baaaad.
seems to me that if you can’t put a corporate entity in prison, or even on trial in front of a spurious military tribunal, it doesn’t need freedom of speech protection. Otherwise, what is it being protected from?
Agnes @ 264
I recomend getting a copy of either the book or the documentary “The Corportation” which really lays out how they have attained the weird legal status that they have. In the US, they are entitled (according to some ancient Supreme Court decision, anyway) all the legal protections and rights afforded to an individual.
I can just picture LJAquaria in her Chanel suit, Pradas and one of Millman’s hats, can’t you?
LJ/Aquaria
Glad to hear it. Actually the suit would be the optimum choice I think. There’s a fascinating history associated with hats and their role in society.
What I find about people who are into hats, they have a passion for them. They’re great and a lot of fun.
MilMan,
you coming up to help Ned this weekend?
Lotus,
Yeah, he’s having a good time.
And I’ll sleep a little easier at night when he’s back here.
Have I missed any reports on Hope’s husband?
BC
immanentize at 3:18 pm:
My Santorum float would be the classic image of the evolution of man with Santorum in the middle (regarding his creationism flip-flop).
Or it could be the full evolution sequence, with Santorum as an extra step devolving back down at the end.
LindaR @268: My heart just weeps for all those poor defenseless corporations… Where is the spirit of rugged individualism, a.k.a. a county’s business is the county’s and nobody else’s business? Or, what’s the difference between the entrepreneurial spirit and citizen’s conscience of the little people and small firms and the “spirit” (= corporate culture) of large corporations?
I acknowledge it is a double-edged sword, for what if an out-of-stater felt it was his/her duty to donate time and energy to the campaign? Maybe it is a rule of thumb: how much an out-of-state private individual can accomplish (even if she is a well-known blogger like Jane H.) vs what a multinational corporation-juggernaut… can accomplish. Even if a private person’s support has the feel of gentle strings being attached, how does that compare to the strings attached (and pulled) by a large corporation…?
Hey RevDeb
I do believe I will be there Saturday for a day trip. I will know for sure tomorrow.
Squirrel Hiller – is it too old fashioned to have bottles of milk – lots – on the front step with the newspapers? What else can make it look abandoned – Pizza shop door hangers, mini telephone books?
Millineryman @ 299
Great! Will e-mail my cell # if you want to try to find us.
mommybrain.
the rule of set decorating is that you throw everything onto it and then eliminate as needed. your ideas are very theatrical and appropriate.
beard5 @ 251
Ack! LJ, no, no, no. I just tried to picture that and my eyeballs exploded out of my head in protest. (touch typist over here) I know what a good looking 13th and 14th century outfit should look like, and the very last thing we want is to see Sant*o*um (sanitized for your protection) in one. Gods help us, codpiece! ack, I need bleach for my frontal lobes now.
What if we made it a very tiny codpiece, to match his tiny…brain?
Or we could doll him up as Torquemada. Hm… That has possibilities…
Indeed RevDeb, I would love to. I was going to e-mail tomorrow onec I knew for sure.
It’s looking like a 95% chance.
long grass and pulled-down windowshades were the neighbors’ first clues — also, newspapers piled up in the drive.
iirc. and i sometimes do.
OT
Women seize TV station in Oaxaca
This looks like a very interesting way to make a huge point.
Beseiged by women!
Teddy @62:
Holy Joe isn’t the only one with “shrinkage” problems according to Froomkin :)
And did you see the little tease about Condi spending the vacation at the ranch with “little” Georgie? Froomkin’s been on fire this week! Speaking of, I thought Dana Priest made an interesting comment today in her Q&A about how his column was something the WaPo staff was very aware of.
hey hey
hey ho
RGJoe
ya gotta go
hey hey…
The beauty and effectiveness of The Kiss lies in its utter simplicity.
For Lil Ricky, you need to find a single defining moment that will speak to the majority of his constituents. What’s he done that upsets them?
Margot @ 307
oh, great, said the enabling male fdl-er.
beth meacham @ 306
He was born to start.
signing off now. my laptop is so hot(from smokin fdlers and the weather) that i had to put a freezer pack under it. will draw up design and email to christy. need truck. thanks to all.
I joke with people that I’m still four years old and playing dress up in my mom’s clothes. She had a knock off Chanel suit (JFK era) that was my very favorite. I’ve been a Chanel fan ever since. Wish I could afford that little black purse…
Although I had a special fondness for her gray satin and acres of tulle prom dress from 1957, with the sweetheart neckline….
Beseiged by women!
After 35 years of wedded bliss, the TV station has my sympathy and my empathy.
beth @ 310—see CHS @ 168
Well, since you brought it up and I’m in a chatz-whoring kinda mood, don’t miss the “I’m back for some Teddy smackdown” at the very end of Ms. Priest’s chat this afternoon.
Scroll all the way down to the bottom of:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01192.html
Timewarp @254 – Sweet Jeebus I hate Bill O’Reilly.
OfT Delay’s Dilemma
by emptywheel
“Let’s say you’re Tom DeLay. It’s February 2006, and your legal defense fund is beginning to run dry.Well, not just run dry. It’s already running a deficit. You’re already polling behind your Democratic opponent in the polls, and you haven’t even won the primary yet. Thing is, you consider the three people running against you disloyal. Fuck ‘em. Who are they to accuse the Hammer of corruption? So you stay in the race just to prevent one of them from benefiting from the misfortune of Tom DeLay. No problem. You can whup their asses in the primary and just deal with getting a candidate later.
Fast forward to Summer 2006. At this point, you’ve got $1.4 million in your campaign fund, with $1 million in unpaid legal bills. With lots more legal bills to come….”
I am so annoyed.
Michelle Malkin said that Jane called her Michelle MalKKKin last night. That was ME!! MEEEEE!!
I sent her an email with a link to last night’s post about her at I.D. to sort things out.
Oh oh oh.. TRex in a cat fight?
Oh, TRex, it’s just not fair!!!
Cozumel @ 220
Sweet.
Another nail in the Lieberman coffin. Last time I checked, Greenfield wasn’t one of those nasty liberal bloggers.
Perhaps the powers that be are getting the message that there are many, many valid reasons why Connecticut voters want Joey out of office.
pick your battles. *g*
LindaR at 267
Michelle Malkin is a pitiful creature who will crumble under her own hate. I prefer not to give energy of any kind to those I pity.
And if someone gets in my grill or threatens someone I love, something I care about or takes advantange of someone, you can’t imagine what in-your-face mean motherfucker I am.
I have (more than once) backed-down full grown men. I get that this-bitch-is-crazy look in my eyes. I have and will not hesitate to protect and defend that which I believe in.
Anne Coulter is cracker-ass crazy and mean. I think if you shot her, she would keep coming, like one of those ‘undead’.
Michelle Malkin is a broken person, sadly useless and I fear not long for a world without restraints of some kind.
I am no pansy ass. Ask anyone that knows me.
Millineryman @ 295
I think we have to be passionate about them. Without us, they’d all but disappear, and that wouldn’t do!
Did anybody see the I Love Lucy episode where she agreed not to buy hats for a while? I wanted the hat she was drooling over. I wanted it so badly… It was the most utterly ridiculous and useless little thing. But I wanted it, even more than Lucy did.
Good night, firepups.
BC
TRex, focus on packing, hon.
Michelle will always get the most important element of the story wrong, in this case the part about you.
Now, can we go back to talking about you? You are what’s important here, dear, you.
TRex @ 320
Well she is a rightwing fascist, isn’t she? What’s she so upset about? Did you get the splinter-faction wrong or something?
TRex @ 320
I.D.?
Idiotic Design? Or do I not want to know?
Yes, Teddy I saw it, thanks to you. :) I wrote in a question that didn’t make the cut. Anyways, I thought that little comment about Froomkin sort of slid under the radar. Overall, definitely not impressed with Dana’s intellectual grasp based on her answers today.
So TRex, did she double-dog-VDARE you or something?
HopeSAT – We must have crossed paths on Baker St. or another lifetime.)
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 325
Beautimus Maximus!!! You GO HopeSAT!!! Love it!!! (And I’d never want to be on your darkside, yikes)
Night BC
new thread: “Come to CT”
Thanks Linda
:::::::::::::my best curtsey:::::::::::
I.D. equals my personal blog, Incomprehensible Demoralization.
http://incomprehensibledemoral…..gspot.com/
Come to Connecticut up above.
I love this part of the article. Mexico has a wonderful approach to civil disobedience.
methinks Ms. Priest forgot to grab a Dannon cup ‘tween Capitol Hill and her chatzpost.
bit peckish, she.
LJ/Aquaria @ 322
I don’t recall that episode, I’m a big Lucy fan, and I think it’s evident how I feel about hats.
It’s really funny, a lot of people love hats but yet they don’t wear them. As an unfortunate side effect of global warming, more people are wearing them for protection.
There’s a certain mystique to them, and I’m fascinated by it all. Besides, they’re just plain old fun.
Don’t have time to read thru all posts so if this already passed along …
Agnes @ several posts
California is working on fair elections by trying to eliminate big money donations
Just got this in my email today about Prop 89
Video of Derr Gropinator running from questions about getting rid of big money in political campaigns
http://www.consumerwatchdog.or…..Prop89.mov
Give it a minute to load
Well at least your blog is dealing with issues
now and not the horrible personal attacks I read daily against Senator Lieberman.
Firedoglake has lost the moral highground it
once had during Fitzgeralds investigation.
Is it worth anyones election to destroy someone
in the process.We didn’t think so when
they(Republicans)went after Joe Wilson and
Valerie Plame!
Some suggestions for Santorum theme floats.
1. The vacant house should have an overflowing mailbox-emphasize that little Ricky’s not receiving msgs from PA.
2. Seersucker float should be labeled “Rick Santorum, proud Senator from Pennsylginia”.
Well, well, well.
Looks like the “lesson” of the
Lieberman fiascoLamont message is getting out there.Hillary calls for Rummy to resign.
Fran, why do all your posts have weird line breaks?
Just seems like you are copying and pasting them from somewhere, which seems strange.
Is it worth anyones election to destroy someone
in the process.
fran, get real. All FDL does or has done is observe and report Joe’s self-destruction.
He’s not up to his job. When only 100 of the millions of us Americans have that job, sit in that chamber, we can’t tolerate an empty suit in any chair. And that’s exactly what he’s revealed himself to be: a useless, tattered, empty suit.
Feh.
John in Sacramento @343: thanks for the info. What is disturbing is not only the legal-person-ification of corporations but that the voice & opinions of real persons gets lost in the process. In the early days of the Soviet Union some voters’ vote was worth more (1 worker = 5 farmers, say), because they were more “enlightened”, more in tune with the times, whatever.
It’ll be a delight to watch Ahhnold squirm. How come this self-made man has become so cosy with big donors…?
puppethead @ 123
That was it. It appeared on his web-site yesterday, I linked it and then it seemed to disappear when I posted the comments.
Thanks for the clarification.
I will have to hone my Lieberfacts much better in the future.
Still like the scenario (ideally imagined) that disgruntled contributors to Lieberman as Dem primary candidate force him to publicly account and confirm that all contributors to this Dem campaign have released these funds for individual/petition run…