
Lieberman’s new packaging is a dud, but he’s pushing it hard. His latest PR makeover? Experience! Yes, Joe’s got loads of it. Eighteen years’ worth. Just ask the Hartford Courant:
Seniority often matters, however. Mr. Lieberman has gained considerable influence in his 18 years in the Senate. His specialty is working with Republican moderates — and sometimes conservatives — to craft bills that can pass the most divided, least civil Congress in memory.
And of course the Washington Post, grateful for the respite in defending their own warmongering so they can come to the aid of proxy Joe:
But it seems that Mr. Lieberman is also being pummeled for his ability to work with Republicans and get things done in Washington…This is a talent and temperament that is helpful to the Democrats in the minority but will be needed even more if there’s a change in power in one or both houses of Congress or, in 2008, in the White House. Then, more than ever, the Democratic Party, if it hopes to accomplish anything, will need people such as Mr. Lieberman who bring some civility to an increasingly uncivil capital — who can accept the idea that opponents may disagree in good faith and who can then work to find areas of agreement and assemble working majorities of 60 senators.
(*yawn*)
What eactly has Joe’s "experience" been able to achieve? Well, he approved Michael Brown in 42 minutes. He was the only northeast Democrat to sign the Cheney energy bill. He voted for NAFTA, CAFTA and cloture on both the bankruptcy bill and Alito. The Department of Homeland Graft Security was his baby. Then there was the Gang of 14. Roberts. The Bush tax cuts. And let’s not forget his signature war.
I don’t know exactly how things would have been different if Joe HADN’T been around to lend his "experience" to the GOP on such key issues, but it sure would be nice to find out.



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Hiya, Jane!
Moi? First?
Rene, only if you don’t count zeeeeerrrrrooooo. Hee.
meta @ 2
zeeerrrooos my middle name!
Jane, isn’t moldy Short Ride getting tired? I mean, trying to come up with something “fresh” and all. I know I am.
Ned totally rocked on the Colbert.
JANE!
You know, if Joe had only played this theme early on and spent more time in Connecticut and wasn’t such an entitled little WATB, then we wouldn’t be in the fabulous place we are in now.
Luckily for America, Joe could not suppress his real self.
Go NED!
Wait’n for everyone to come upstairs.
CT “Blogwhore” here – fun new Joe video and great image on Connecticut Bob.
Jane, does it ever get this hot in Oregon? I think we topped 100 degrees on the steps of Bridgeport City Hall today. Smart move on the organizer’s part to schedule it for noon. Dummies!
Somehow it is not important for Republicans to choose Chafe to work with Dems. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You have to respect the canvassars who can work in this weather.
What eactly has Joe’s “experience” been able to achieve? Well, he approved Michael Brown in 42 minutes.
I asked a similar question–what has HolyJoe’s blessed bipartisanship done for either the Democratic Party or the country?–in diaries at Kos and TPMcafe, both of which are frequented with concerntroll lieberdefenders and Establishmentarian LieberDems, respectively. Not one relevent response.
I just knew the Post would endorse Holy Joe. It’s enfuriating that our supposed “home town” newspaper, in one of the most liberal areas of the country, has turned into a conservative rag.
Alice Marshall @
9
And when exactly has Chafee worked with the dems. when it would have made a bit of difference?
That quote from the Post has to be the most willfully ignorant thing I’ve seen in a while. Who cares about Joe’s “go along to get along” talents if the end result is some of the shittiest legislation on record?
Xeno @ 12
I’ve read that Li’l Donnie Graham was chompin’ at the bit for years to turn the paper (over) to the right, but Big Mama Katie wouldn’t let him….any truth to that?
AND, to answer your question, Jane:
I Am!
Keep your mind together!
heh heh
(Jimi Hendrix – Are You Experienced)
Somehow I think the folks in CT are a bit more likely to read the NYT than the WaPo. Hopefully they have enough sense to make up their own minds and realize that HoJo abandoned them long ago.
Yeah, he works with Republicans to ge things done – things the Republicans want done. For some reason, the things that are sticking points for Dems are easily pitched over the side when Joe’s involved. God forbid, someone would label Joe an obstructionist because he held fast to those positions important to Democrats – and to his constituents.
You know, I am just tired beyond words of people who think that just because they have been taking up space longer than someone else they have more value.
Lieberman is another one – like Bush – who I can’t even stand to listen to anymore – he’s so whiney.
CT BOB, that is a fantastic vid! Man, I don’t know. I’m almost starting to feel sorry for the poor twit…..um, nah.
A campaign with no campaign buttons. Priceless!
I read the WP tripe. Of course the war was the first thing they hit, in order to cover it with a foot of bullshit. Then it is about him working to get things done. Well ther hasn’t been anything progressive done for six years assholes.
Helllloooo immanentize!
I was recently asked the question: Is there anything you *like* about Lieberman? I confess I couldn’t answer that question positively. I mean I am sure there must some good in everyone, but . . .
So y’all coming down to CT to help us fend off the Lieberyouths?
Washington Compost…
I’m sorry but didn’t Joe Lieberman vote with the Democrats 95% of the time??
Well Punaise, I at least beat you to the video!
Meanwhile I gotta tell you that typing your name just reminded me I have to go to the store to buy mayonaise.
Yeah, Joe’s compromises with the Repubs are nothing more than acquiescence to them without any decent returned concession. I surely don’t need him on my side of the bargaining table…let alone if we grab the majority.
immanentize @ 25
LOL: my contribution to humankind: mayonnaise reminder!
Kos says that HoJo says he is planning to really take the gloves off and attack Ned if he loses the primary.
MwaaaaaHaaaaHaaa.
How delusional can they get?
fran @ 24
Hi Fran! Still trying for your merit badge in concern trooling? Since I’m sure you’re not from CT, you probably don’t know who Colin McEnroe is. He’s a Hartford, CT political reporter, and here’s his answer to your pathetic interjection:
Covering Lieberman is a good way to understand how misleading a voting record can be. (Are you listening, Courant editorial board?) Most members of Congress vote with their parties the preponderance of the time. There are other questions to ask. Did he vote differently on a much-more-important earlier amendment or cloture motion? Did he wait until it was clear his vote wouldn’t hurt the other side? Are his public pronouncements strangely different from his votes?
You can go now. Thanks for dropping by!
fran @
24
Apology NOT accpeted.
Oh boy, Fran (24) is back. Maybe if we’re lucky Frank will join her/him?
A trolling we will go
A trolling we will go
Hi Ho the derrier, oops, derry O
A trolling we will go.
fyi — Fran is a LieberJeunesse who has trolled here before …
immanentize @ 16
great video, especially the stop-frames of tapes and such acting on their own.
Gotta wonder, what would Jimi have become?
Ah, that explains the “seniority” concern troll I encountered on Kos today. It reminds me of a conservative I know who tried to convince me in ‘96 that I should support Dole because he was “trustworthy.” (In a preview of the “Gore is a liar” meme, the GOP was pushing “Clinton is shifty.”) As I told him, even if that were true, why should I vote for someone I can trust to do things I won’t like, instead of someone I can’t trust to do things I will like?
Same with seniority — why should I favor someone with more seniority if he uses it to do things I oppose?
*ilson46201 @ 32
Really? Hey Fran–do you get paid extra for this? Or does going to Lieberman rallies and pretending to be enthused get the overtime?
fran, what about Poland?
RevDeb @
28
Good grief, is he serious? Hey, that’s cool, Joe. Digging in for the fight AFTER you lose. Honestly, there’s a job at Enron with your name on it.
*ilson46201 @ 32
Cute!
La Fran(ce) Vichy – collaborationist govt.
fran @ 39
I notice you don’t deny it.
RevDeb @ 18
You’re right RevDeb. It’s hard to get a copy of WaPo in small town CT. Newsracks tend to have Hartford Courant, NYT New Haven Register and those horrible Daily Sun type rags. But NYT tends to resonate most with the So. CT Fairfield Countyish types.
The Israeli massive new ground attack with 8,000 troops and America’s complicity, and scheming with Israel’s brutal and murderous debauchery in Lebanon are outrageous and are literally crimes against nature. And God. The Bush and Olmert regimes are drunk on human blood and flesh. The screams of burning mothers and their children are music to these monsters ears. Olmert and Bush are almost unspeakably vile in their wickedness.
well, Joe has been trying to marshall the putaines …
Michelle Malkin has posted an attack on Jane.
Release the hounds.
This is a little OT so ignore me if you want — but I’m originally from DC, have lived in CA and now Seattle for years and so wasn’t paying attention to what had happened to “my paper” – the paper of Katherine Graham and Ben Bradley and Jack Anderson and Drew Pearson and so on –What happened? When did it happen? Anyone know?
Just finished great post on popcorn workers – thanks so much for that and all you do here.
from a CT Granny:
So now lieberman might be able to take credit for a minumum wage increase also………Can you believe this?
http://progressivesonline.com/showthread.php?t=674
Re: Estate Tax: Repeal in times of huge national deficit? Why?
——————————————————————————–
Quote:
Originally Posted by FDRfollower
I really don’t know how to describe this. It certainly boggles MY mind, but the moniker reTHUGlicans certainly seems appropriate.
Apparently, Senator Frist and his house conterpart have done a disgusting act. They included the minimum wage bill and a bill for tax credits on the bill for the Estate tax reduction, which over time, will allow the 7,500 wealthiest families to get away with $1 trillion. Yes, you heard me right boys and girls.
$1,000,000,000,000
I think Frists name is really Kevorkian. Think of it. He’s going to be making Billions with the sale of HCA, a company that takes your money and refuses to give you medical care, and here he is, pushing a destructive bill, hoping to use any Democrat who votes against this monstrosity as a whipping boy, saying “He voted against increasing the minimum wage!!”
Shows you where the Republican parties interests lie. At least Sen. Grassley (R) had the honesty to say that he was being stabbed in the back by his party, which really isn’t surprising.
————————————————-
Well if this is NOT the time for DEMS to SHOUT, LOUD & CLEAR of this “diabolically clever” (thanks James, good one) reTHUGlican skulduggery, http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dic…..kulduggery , I don’t know when there EVER will be a good time!
Edward Kennedy said ……… compromise…………in the past! I HOPE NOT NOW, I can’t believe I’m EVEN mad at Kennedy now!
pun, I always think the same thing about Jimi. What would he have become? I heard of his death getting into the car right after seeing Woodstock with my friends. Talk about surreal.
fran, you can adopt a differnt name and comment what you really think under it. Joezoe and who’s ever paying you will never know.
*ilson46201 @ 43
Petain’s putains?
John Casper @ 36
If you write something reasonably interesting
about Poland.
I’m sure you’ll get more than 233 comments
I wonder how Fran @ 24 likes all the Cheetos Uncle Karl provides?
oh well … sometimes it gets boring moderating in here … I suspect it’ll get hot in here for several days now with Michelle sending in her flying monkeys and Holy Joe sending in his $60/day volunteers …
John Casper @ 48
John does make sense!
Lieberman is ‘experienced,’ alright. But where I come from…the kind of experience Joe has would make him the class slut!!
No thank you! Connecticut deserves a Senator who listens to voters–not one who locks lips with every fast-talking pretty boy in a suit.
I wonder if Fran knows what “nekama” are…something tells me s/he does.
Vichy putain c’est juste punaise!
Malkin’s just upset that Jane called her a cheap Coulter clone.
The truth hurts.
*ilson, you find us boring? wah.
Hmmmm, we’ll have to see if we can cook up some trouble!
John Casper @ 48
try “narf” – they’ll never catch on!
Hey all, haven’t commented in awhile.
But this bears repeating, got a laugh out loud-ness to it, garnered me funny looks from co-workers.
Really, we are better at making our own concern trolls, like frank and francesca. And there’s still room for a francine!
Joe Lieberman must be driving this bus – directing and micro-managing this campaign. No campaign manager/strategist worth his or her salt could be advising him to make the moves he’s made – well, except for Bob Shrum (tee-hee).
And it all comes back to the fact that he never thought he would have a real fight on his hands – he says he always thought he would have a challenger, but it’s clear he never believed he was in serious danger of losing. By the time he realized that Ned Lamont was in it to win, it was too late.
Connecticut – and the nation – do not need “complacent;” we need someone who knows every day that his job is on the line, that keeping that job means doing what is best for Connecticut and what is best for the nation, that serving is a privilege and not a right.
“Noblesse oblige” is not the ticket, and the voters aren’t looking to support any more of it. Nor, do I believe, are they looking to send an ego in a suit back to DC.
It’s time for Joe to go. Away.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 56
n’est-ce pas, “L’espoir de Source”
try “narf” – they’ll never catch on!
Or “Poit!”
rudy at 1:31, you came to the right place. In the CATEGORIES column to the right, you will find 47 entries on the WaPo.
Woodward is for Woodward. The political editor, John Harris is slime. Jim VandeHei is slime. The ombudsman, Debbie
nobody says fuck except meis slime as is Jimchurch ladyBrady, who manages the online addition. None, of them, however, may be quite as bad as Fred Hiatt, who wrote, ” A GOOD LEAK.” Others may have more informed opinions and I’m sure I left a few good things out. Thanks for the nice comment.Fran –
Shouldn’t you be out rounding up the homeless for another Lieberman “rally”?
So guys. They’re saying 4,000 Lieberyouth are going to invade CT. Since our National Guard is in Iraq, maybe Lamont supporters will consider coming to CT?
meta @ 47
My fear is that if he had lived, he would have died in the same way a week later, or a month after that. With some folks, the path of glorious self-destruction is hard wired.
Now the What-if about Robert Kennedy plagues my sleep often.
if we have Franny — where’s Zooey?
fran @ 53
You can’t tell the difference between a typo and misspelling?
Sad. Are you perhaps a sophomore?
mui @ 67
Sounds like prime ground for Operation Yellow Elephant!
fran @ 50
Really, I find your daily emphasis on SIZE to be a bit curious.
If “experience” means making the same mistakes over and over, but expecting different results, no thanks, Joe.
fran, immanentize, already tried to explain the number of comments to you, but I guess you don’t get paid to read the comments made in response to your trollings.
“Poland” is an inside joke about some of your peer’s attempts. Evidently you didn’t read that one either.
I give you high marks for civility, however, unfortunately, that won’t get you a cash bonus from Joezoe’s people.
Don’t you want to mention something about “lurking here for six months?”
Poit?
Ah, imm, you’re so right about Bobby. I saw him in person when I was a kid and he had the most amazing eyes. Really magnetic; I knew it even then.
fran @ 53
Heraclitus : The only thing constant is change!
Jim I think our National Guard is now also in Miami and of course on the Mexican border.
I contribute to NARAL Pro-Choice Wisconsin and in response to a recent fund raising letter, printed out a copy of one of Jane’s NARAL-Lieberman posts and wrote at the top:
Then put all their own stuff back in the return envelope, as well as the post, and mailed.
An official of NARAL Pro-Choice Wisconsin just wrote me back a letter in her own hand that included this:
.
Well, anyway fran – may I call you fran? – would you reiterate those items that fall into the 95% for me? I need to be able to talk this through with friends. TIA.
What, is Wednesday feed the trolls day?
I have been reading this blog for more than six months but I don’t understand why no one reads this blog? Maybe its because it is so obsessed with Lamont? I mean really — why are you people so obsessed with such an obvious elitest who owned Halliburton Stock an dlives in a rich white neighborghood. Shouldn’t we be focusing our energies on defeating Republicans rather than ripping apart the chances for a Democratic Majority?
meta @ 78
meta, heard the Mexican part. But I thought Lieberyouth and National guard (in Iraq) would make a nice riduclous contrast for chickenhawk Lieberman
RevDeb @
28
Well, think about it. He won’t have to maintain the illusion of liking working people anymore, if he loses the primary. He can just cozy up with all the people who, two weeks before, he derided for not letting black people into their country club.
Joe would be having a lot more fun right now if he could just harangue at poor people and shriek about moral decay.
Hey Hopey, how’s it going? All packed? I think you mentioned that injured Lebanese were also coming into Germany, and I’m wondering how they’re getting there?
I am a lifelong Democrat, both my parents were union organizers, and I have been lurking here for 5 years. Top that, fake francoise. I’m on to you, lol.
francoise looks like another $60/day worker — or else a droll pseudo-troll
Maybe its because it is so obsessed with Lamont?
Why are Colbert, Clintons, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton et al *obsessed* with Lamont?
Hey empty wheel — you have been putting out some righteous stuff recently — nice to be able to tell you personally….
John Casper @ 74
John,Ive seem more than my share of dead bodies.
I still drive with my Kerry/Edwards bumper
sticker despite nearly being run off the road.
I abhor this war and never supported it in the
beginning but I also can see the attempted
trashing of a man who was considered for our
next V.P. and I intend to speak out.That is
if you don’t change my words~
punaise @ 64
Est-ce le bon chemin le gauche?
immanentize @ 89
EW will be the first to tell you there’s no law against telling her over at her place, lol.
francoise @ 82
I’m sorry! I take Joe Lieberman with his $10,000,000 warchest is broke?
fran, anyone who knows Heraclitus is way too smart to vote for Joe. You’re also smart enough to know how important it is to donate via paypal.
Who is the Republican equivalent to Lieberman who reaches out to “centrist” or even Liberal Democrats? I never hear about anyone like that.
EW will be the first to tell you there’s no law against telling her over at her place, lol.
yeah, I knew I’d get that one and I plan to make it so.
The civility canard makes me physically ill, as do references to Lieberman as “moderate.” There is nothing less civil or moderate than promoting an unnecessary war.
I don’t typically quote myself, but here’s a line I wrote last year on Huffpo after Jaron Lanier complained of commenters’ uncivil responses to his masturbatory post about being a Liberal Hawk on Iraq:
There is only one incivility that matters here, and it is the supreme incivility of a war of aggression. People who supported such a war have no standing to lecture those who tried to prevent it about civility, however urbane and collected the former and however loud and unruly the latter.
Fran what do you think of Lieberman’s MiddleEastern diplomacy? Think its a good one? Then you haven’t been paying attention.
empty!
(aren’t you glad we’re getting back around to Saint Judy?)
emptywheel,
second what imm. said at 89. You are a superstar. Been reading you since TNH started up.
Actually what Joe is going through sounds like “The Last Hurrah” but I liked Spencer Tracy A LOT more.
Tom @ 66
I am so friendless !
Being a reader of several left leaning blogs I must really say that your resident troll (Miss/Mr Fran – Francoise) is reeeeeaaaallllly lame: come on at least change the test of your stupid post!
I have come across it worded exactly like that at least 3 or 4 times : it doesn’t seems that Liberman money is buying any passion or competence not even in a lame job as the one of a concern troll…
OK — now this is the funniest thing in the world — I was Francoise (in disguise) but Fran at 93 couldn’t understand that I was jokingly talking about Ned being the elitist? Doesn’t she like parallel constructions?
By the way, I think I have adequately proven my fake-concern-troll creds and I should be afforded Neuro’s respect.
Don’t dis Immanentize!
Hi Guys!
Been lurking here for about six months. Love the Plame stuff, but why are you all so obsessed with Joe Lieberman? Leave the poor guy alone! He REALLY deserves his Senate seat! Stop being MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAN!
fran @ 90
An uncivil congress…now who runs all branches of government, corporations, the courts, K Street, the vast majority of political talk media and newspapers and TV, as well as the Fundi-Politic orgs again?
Oh and it would appear the lead in ethics violations, and congressional tactics of scorced earth?
And who are going to use all the tactics that most Dems would not employee when they lose a house or two?
Sadly the Dems are going to need a Prez and a House before we can even stop the slide (for the veto of the Repubs DINO laws that will be passed).
if you hit refresh or reload F5, you’ll notice that poor wittle Fran changes her mind about comments …
meta @ 85
Hi Meta Baby…not even packed…my hubby goes and picks them up, transports them back to Germany, where they usually go on to BAMC here in SA.
His email yesterday complained about the war but mostly about the Generals that get in his way. I did a mini post on it at my NEW column at Powers and Morisson (tiny bit of blogwhoring). Somebody likes what I was writing and offered me a ‘column’. How ’bout that?
mui @ 97
I’m not in agreement with it!I think it’s time
our soldiers come home!
Very good fran, you’re getting as good at sniffing out your peers as we are.
Did you see the “six months” I mentioned above?
Maybe you could report the problem back to Joezoe headquarters. Do they have a suggestion box? Perhaps you could recommend that some comment “five months” and some comment “seven months”, you wouldn’t be quite so easy to spot.
Mui,
As for cominmg to Connecticut, I still may although it is not probable. I have been really sick the last few days and I have a career-ending deadline that I cannot miss for August 14th and I have to go see my Mom in upstate New York next week to work out some health care issues and finances. That said, I am still trying to work in a day drive by on Monday? on my way to New York….
Sorta lame, but it is the best I can do right now.
shooogarp @ 105
Nice try, shoogie, but no cigar. C’mon, someone can do better than the real Fran at 90.
Ain’t it ironic that a crazy-assed racist [ Moderator:
b!tch] like malkin gives a sh!t about someone in blackface? Talk about whollyweirdo.emptywheel, how great to have you on an FDL thread.
: (
John,Ive seem more than my share of dead bodies.
I still drive with my Kerry/Edwards bumper
sticker despite nearly being run off the road.
I abhor this war and never supported it in the
beginning but I also can see the attempted
trashing of a man who was considered for our
next V.P. and I intend to speak out.That is
if you don’t change my words~
Why vote against a man who was our VP nominee in 2000. Well, the person about whom you speak was not threatening to run against the Democratic Party nonimee for U.S. Senate from the state of Connecticut in 2000, but now he is.
OT -
From the “can you really blame him” department, I just heard that Charlie Rangel is claiming he’ll retire if the Dems don’t take back the house. After what, 25, 30 years of service. It’s a damn shame.
*It was a promo on Ed Schultz’s show as I was driving in the car so I only heard a snippet. Can’t verify the truth…
Fran,
Seriously, if you are the life-long Dem with the sticker still on your car, how can you countenance Lieberman’s use of College Republican volunteers. Is everything fair game to win?
Hopeness, I see many columns in your future. Good to hear you’re doing well.
imm — those NJ Young Republicans are getting $80/day — Connecticut locals get only $60/day
babablacksheep @ 116
John,Ive seem more than my share of dead bodies.
I still drive with my Kerry/Edwards bumper
sticker despite nearly being run off the road.
I abhor this war and never supported it in the
beginning but I also can see the attempted
trashing of a man who was considered for our
next V.P. and I intend to speak out.That is
if you don’t change my words~
Why vote against a man who was our VP nominee in 2000. Well, the person about whom you speak was not threatening to run against the Democratic Party nonimee for U.S. Senate from the state of Connecticut in 2000, but now he is.
All the picture really did was bring in the trolls…
From Christy’s post earlier today:
Harold Meyerson has taken the gloves off on the minimum wage bill. And he’s got a great last line: “In Washington, meanwhile, Republicans are desperate to hold power. Not to govern, mind you, just hold power.”
Doesn’t this pretty much sum up Joe’s need to run against the Democratic Nominee, should he lose the primary?
fran, where did you see all these dead bodies?
fran, if you so abhor the War/Occupation, why aren’t you supporting Ned?
Who cares that Joe was a Veep candidate? How is that relevant?
Joe is in a very safe blue state, taking red positions. Do you understand how much damage that does?
Oh, and a well developed and expertly honed sense of entitlement.
Joe Lieberman is a WATB and a loser. The reason we are primarily focused on the Lamont race is because it has heat and we are trying to win some seats and get our country back. duh.
In reference to Jimi Hendrix
“My fear is that if he had lived, he would have died in the same way a week later, or a month after that. With some folks, the path of glorious self-destruction is hard wired.”
So true. I’m just grateful he didn’t become some aged burnout on Hollywood Squares, or worse, photographed shaking hands with a Republican President.
Regarding Lieberman’s 90% attendance record with the other Senate Democrats, I did hear someone from CT remark that this was like the man who was 90% faithful to his wife: only cheated 3 days every month with the same other woman. Otherwise he was great with the children, didn’t drink, and was a good provider.
Lieberman cheats with Bush/Cheney too often when it really matters: Iraq, Schaivo, energy bill, Alito, …, to say nothing of criticizing other Democrats. As the CT person remarked, Lieberman always finds a way to sell out his fellow Democrats when it’s really important to him.
shooogarp @ 122
And, sadly, doesn’t it pretty much sum up the Dem Senators campaigning for Lieberman, too?
I am so awaiting the hazardous-duty pay that Jane has promised all the moderators here considering the troll-magnet this blog will become until midnight, August 8th!
TT 2127
Great analogy.
Hello Sweet Little Dog. Glad to see you holdong down the fort.
Hi, HopeSAT!
*waves*
immanentize at 1:57 p
Too damn funny, thanks.
As for August 14, thoughts and prayers are with you.
Redshift @
34
Redshift, thank you, that’s a much more eloquent explanation of why I didn’t vote for my dentist’s son, (and my new dentist’s brother, yes, family business) He’s a wonderful man, completely honest, trustworthy and intelligent, and is slightly to the right of Pat Buchannan, putting him around Genghis Khan, politically.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 131
Dang. Our posts crossed!
I dunno about Malkin. I think she’s a sock puppet for her husband, all that invective just seems disproportionate.
I wonder if she has opinions of her own, or is she just the
pretty faceempty facade he writes behind.“You all thought I was stupid, but it was just a fakade!”
*ilson should we be sending you chocolate to brace you for the battle ahead, you and RGB and the other stagehands?
Then again, sending chocolate in 100 deg. heat might be a little futile.
What would you like (that is legal and/or helpful) that we can do?
Political Wire
Jenny from the Blog @ 117
Jenny, I don’t think Rangel is going to have to retire. People really have had enough!
*ilson46201 @ 129
Aaw. Come on *ilson. Let some stuff through. I don’t go to Malkin’s blog of SadlyNo! enough to really see what’s out there.
Give us a little peek!
Are You Experienced? by Jimi Hendrix popped into my head.
Actually it was Devo’s cover of the song I thought of: Are you experienced? Not necessarily beautiful, but mutated?
Russert’s on Hardball now discussing the race.
punaise @17 beat me to it, I see. It’s obvious now that I think of it. D’oh.
Sure, it’s a little late, but no more studying. Thus, I am using my time productively to create a complete line of coffee cups.
This one is for Fran.
http://static.flickr.com/85/20…..1375_o.gif
*ilson 129 -
At least they could buy you a hazmat suit. Sheesh.
Joe re Dubbya: “S’cuse me while I kiss this guy!”
Two more. I think this is a better Joe version:
http://static.flickr.com/79/20…..390a_o.jpg
and Condi:
http://static.flickr.com/77/20…..9cef_o.gif
Yeah, yeah, I could work on perspective and all that…….but I’m lazy.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 145
BWAHAHA. Been missing your omnipotence around here lately.
Well, hey everybody…. geez! I step out for a few days and there’s a fistfight going on in here? (come to the mountains! very relaxing!) Dogs think this is the best place on earth…!
I just had to stop in and see what’s up for the last week – Lamont is looking good… now, is toothpaste for mosquito bites or bee stings?
ifthethunderdontgetya -
I know, it just hurt my heart to hear it. I can only imagine the ulcers you’d have as one of the few progressives in the house, dealing with the lies and obstruction day after day. If the story is true, he must be really fed up. Hey Charlie, don’t go… we love ya!
OT but for my American freedom fighter friends;
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004862.php
“Call Congress Now – Specter Rushing Thursday Vote on Surveillance Bill
August 02, 2006
Because of phone calls and letters from constituents like you, Senator Arlen Specter is feeling the heat. Having previously delayed a vote on his dangerous surveillance bill, he is now intent on moving it out of committee on Thursday. This sham “compromise” bill will help the government continue to break the law, vastly expanding the president’s power to spy on you without any meaningful oversight from Congress or the courts. If you haven’t already called and your Senator is on the Judiciary Committee, please use our Action Center and call your Senator immediately to stop this dangerous bill.
Your friends and family could be constituents of Judiciary Committee members — spread the word and urge them to call Congress now. If you’re a blogger, post a “Stop the Surveillance Bills” button.”
op99 – OMNISCIENCE
omnipotence.fran @ 90
OldCoastie
Toothpaste on bee-stings, go right to the source, use baking soda, bee-venom is acid, applying something ‘basic’ (sodium bicarbonate) — or baking soda, will neutralize the bee sting venom. Toothpaste has the baking soda content, and the menthol, which soothes. But its the baking soda content that fixes it.
I’ll be damned if I heard that right (my son was talking at the same time about the awesomeness of Greco-Buddhist art and history), but it seemed to me that Russert was endorsing the idea of Dems embracing their netroot activists. It sounded like he thought Lamont would win and that the Dems ought to pay attention to this and realize that the big issue IS the war.
I’ll have to watch again when they repeat at 7 p.m.
How does replacing Lieberman with Lamont threaten the chance that we could have a Dem majority in the Senate come November? The spurious logic behind that claim is based on the assumption that Lamont would lose in the general election. If he wins the primary he will win the general – particularly with the momentum he will get from unseating an entitled quisling.
The Washington Post breaks my heart. I remember reading the paper during Watergate, Iran-Contra, etc. Once Katherine Graham and Ben Bradley left the scene – and Graham’s son took over – the paper began it’s conservative turn. It’s not much better than the Washington Times now.
I love the fact that the NY Time endorsement of Lamont addressed the hackneyed argument that Lieberman works well with Repubs and “gets things done.” My question is – to what end? What has Lieberman gotten out of his relationship with Frist et al that has benefited Dems – in any way shape or form?
The graininess pisses me off. But I’m not going to redo them and save them as jpegs rathers than gifs, which I think is the problem. Anyway……
Evil Parallel Universe @ 154
Sorry, I hadn’t heard about you impotence. ;)
thanks, Sophist – skeeters as big as birds up here! musta missed my knees with the spray – lovely matching bites that itch like CRAZY… guess I better head into town for calamine…
and a nice bottle of wine!
When did Kukla and Ollie get ditched for Coulter and O’Reilly?
SharonW @ 155
I guess Ned’s victory is in the bag if people are jumping from the “Tomorrow Tour” bus today.
Don’t news organizations get embargoed versions of major polls?
Stand back, everyone – lightning headed this way . . .
op99 @ 159
Mary @ 160
Well, Fran is still around….
Hi Mary — everylittlethingOK?
emptywheel @ 84
Joe would be having a lot more fun right now if he could just harangue at poor people and shriek about moral decay.
Absolutely! The only time I ever observed HoJo being close to authentic was when he was scolding Clinton.
op99 – I didn’t know there were only two levels of potence, omni and im? Which one are you?
OT:
For those interested in the human race and earth:
Dr. Stephen Hawking sends a message to Yahoo! Answers community
http://video.yahoo.com/video/p…..mp;cache=1
Peterr @ 164
Good call Peterr, I think I’ll slink away. See y’all later.
DAB 157
As Jonathan Alter says, “Win now… purge later”. After he laid out 50 reasons why Lieberman is bad news.
Hey Jon, how about “Purge now… win now”?
What. A. Putz.
He mentioned that the Q poll was coming out tomorrow so apparently he knows nothing yet.
However, I’m still in shock if Russert has truly seen the light.
Holy Joe was gambling that Bill Bennett could help him with morality issues. I guess he got whipped out of that notion …
Evil Parallel Universe @ 167
I’m an F, we don’t don’t worry about that sh*t.
Exactly, Jftb — It’s because these guys have internalized losing so much, they cannot contemplate your scenario. And people still think they are experts — they just play them on TV. It’s like asking Dr. Marcus Welby to perform brain surgery (OK, really dated reference but the best I could do).
Evil Parallel Universe @ 165
oooh… I detect the odor of ozone!
*ilson46201 @ 171
That comment was a thing of beauty, *ilson 46201.
Be nice if Holy Joe would try working with, or at least try ceasing his potshots at, his fellow Democrats.
He’s civil to the GOP, and to the luminaries of the commentariat. But not to any Dems who actually want to be an opposition party.
Oh hell, I didn’t mean to cross that out. Proofreading is a good thing, must look into it in the future.
imm 173 :
You know what? That’s a stellar analogy – and I’m old enough to get it! :)
SharonW @ 156
Punkinhedd grasps the obvious….Beltway Wildebeest herd follows its alphabull….film at 11!!
OT as usual, (sorry)
Of Interest to those of us Firepups here in WA state.
Heck-of-a-Contract
The Washington Senate race just got a whole bunch more interesting for those of us outside the state. Senator Maria Cantwell’s Republican opponent is Mike McGavick who resigned last year as the CEO of SafeCo so he could run against Cantwell. He had a nice pot of money from his days at SafeCo that he was planning to use to help fund his campaign. Well, it looks like that pot of money might have just turned into a big honeypot because it seems that the “golden parachute” was really a “stolen parachute” and SafeCo investors want their money back.
snip
more here.
http://www.pacificviews.org/
Gilliard: Space Marines to the Front. Again, Gilliard nails it, this time on the young ‘thugs coming to CT:
Phoebe, I like your 2:34.
I think you want to close your strike tag, which you can do for about the next three minutes.
Who says lieberman isn’t making comments about Ws Iraq fiasco? HolyJo is stickin by preznit little boots like a freakin’ tar baby.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08…..trail.html
Really? No worries then. But all those pharma companies looking for the female via gra are might disagree with you.
I’ll have to ask Ms. Universe her views.
i just did undo the strike tag but thats a good point … one can revise and extend one’s remarks without unanimous consent in here …
Jenny from the Blog @ 169
Alter is a sycophant and a cocktail weenie. The contest between Lamont and Lieberman is called democracy. There’s no purging for ideological purity, it’s simply a matter of Connecticut voters wanting better representation.
Gah, the melon heads who make up the punditocracy really are useless. For them everything is about preserving their royal courtier infrastructure.
Hi Imman – the little things are fine, but I’m just Franny enough that size makes a difference. The big things could be better. *g*
I’m confused. What, exactly, is it that Leiberman has been able to “work with” the Republicans to “get accomplished” that he is willing to hold his head up and recite to Dems? Bc I see lots of the vague referential, and not so much the — Hey guys, lookie lookie here’s the cookie!
The stomach churner is that once he loses, he’ll be the nonstop commenter, even more than so far, on Fox.
moeman @ 183
After the discussion about darkblack’s image that went with Jane’s HuffPo piece, is “freakin’ tar baby” really the best choice of words you could use?
Thanks, John Casper!
Jenny from the Blog @ 169
CWites–Alter, O’Donnell–keep going on Franken to diss Joe, then endorse him. Intellectual and emotional paralysis. THey just can’t face the idea of anti-incumbency.
It was interesting when Franken said he told LIeberman no Democrat was in a better position to call for a Truman commission on Iraq, and why didn’t he? Franken thinks that’s when Lieberman decided to stop taking his calls.
moeman is a Canuck so we should cut him some slack about US wordings…but that phrase struck me too.
Ah, frannie…
the attempted trashing of a man who was considered for our next V.P.
In the words of the well-known chant, “this is what democracy looks like.” It’s not “trashing” for citizens to point out their representatives behaving in ways they don’t like, or boosting someone they think will represent them better. They work for us, and they hold office only at our sufferance. Primaries are one of the ways we remind the ones who forget that.
You want to disagree with something that’s said here about Lieberman, go for it. You want to say you think something’s unfair, sure. But pouting and telling us we shouldn’t say meeean things about him — that ain’t an argument. Maybe by the time you’re done with college you’ll have learned that.
Mary @
186
LMAO.
Joe must be thinkin, “Damn that Ned Lamont.” I mean, the entire Middle East is blowing sky high and Lieberman has not made one single appearance on national teevee.
Must be a first. Aren’t any reporters following him around asking him about the Lebanese situation. Does he support Condi’s call for a cease fire (snark)?
Peterr @ 187
Hey if tony snow and mitt ‘K-LO’s man’ romney can use the term loosely, I figure WTF. Redd and Jane can slap me around if I’m out of my FDL bounds. Peace.
Mary — exaciticatackily! At least Sen. Kennedy can acually point to some improvements in federal education law (even if the good stuff went unfunded by the Repubs). Joe has bupkis.
Fran,
My response to you about Joe LIEberman
Thanks Ava Lowery
Has anyone figured out that the Repubs will really clean Joe’s campaign for all it is worth?
Voter lists, call lists, donor lists, all the other ultra-important INSIDER information – much of it for folks OUTSIDE Connecticut – is gonna be in the hands of the DIRTIEST players on the scene.
Joe may have given away tons of Democratic ammo to the enemy. And 2006 may be in jeopardy due to his ineptness.
One more thing about Alter (because I just couldn’t believe my ears). He doesn’t really have a problem with ousting Lieberman… he just doesn’t like how energetic we are. GRRRR. He said that exact word. Energy.
He’s a byzantine thinker. He’s all washed up.
I think Fran used the wrong word — instead of “trashing”, the ancien regime of France used lese majeste
moeman @ 183
Mealy-mouthing per usual:
Poor widdle misunderstood Joey. Anybody remember his criticism of Bush? I sure don’t.
SharonW @ 170
‘Seeing the light’ and ‘abandoning a sinking ship’ describe the actions of two very different kinds of critters!
Redshift – with that kind of approach, I can how Fran’s evolving to Frantic.
I mean, you start “attempted trashing” of a someonew who “was considered for our next V.P.” and before you know it, you’ll have people with completed trashings of the man who was twice elected to be our President.
YIKES! Where would we be then?
*ilson46201 @ 190
This;
http://www.peleeisland.com/cgi…..6458062.af
all over the iMac screen.
; )
john in sacramento:
Linky no worky
:(
PS, What I really like about you is how you read comments not just for the length, but for their smaller penetrating details.
Rangle is my rep. I will be pissed if we lose him (though there is absolutely no threat of a repug taking the seat).
puppethead -
I didn’t realize how bad he was until today. Guess I’ve been lagging behind in my perception of some of these folks.
moeman @ 196
LMAO at Tony Snow and Mitt Romney held up as the models of civilized discourse at FDL
Imman 196 – ROFL
I never thought of it that way – Sen Kennedy has been MORE SUCCESSFUL getting legislation through the Republican phalanx than Leiberman.
Mary @ 205
I heart Mary!
Peterr @ 208
Nice catch Pete with 2 Rs.
Did everybody see this in the Washington Post?
One extra http’s, sorry
http://www.peacetakescourage.com/number.html
Thanks Ava
I’m glad you took no offense at being called a Canuck — after all, Canadians are just Americans with decent politics, decent health insurance and no handguns …
Jim 190 -
It’s just so funny the way Joe calls himself courageous when he obstructs his fellow dems. How many times has he taken the floor to demand accountability from the republicans?
ZERO.
OK, although I messed up through deletion, my 206 is response to Mary and her Frannyness.
EPU!!!!
Have missed you! How have the other universes been treating you?
orthogonally, EPU?
Have the margins changed all of a sudden? They seem extra wide…
*ilson46201 @ 214
Eh, I’m too polite to be offended.
I’d add hockey-mad to your Nuckian description.
BTW, fellow and female FDLers know they are welcome should they drop by Ottawa-Gatineau.
Jenny from the Blog @ 220
I presume you are speaking of Lamont’s margin of victory!
*ilson46201 @ 215
I like the comparison, whereas American’s have the saying as American as apple pie, Canadians have ‘As Canadian as possible under the circumstances.’
timewarp @ 221
Or HolyJo’s margin of defeat …
timewarp -
LOL, I knew someone would make a joke about that comment. And I was proved f**king right! :)
the 6pm posting coming up should be fun and games — buckle up your seat belts, boys and girls, this ride could get bumpy!
Mary at 2:38:
According to the WaPo editorial, Joe got the Department of Homeland Security and climate change legislation by cooperating with Republicans.
Wow! Those are certainly accomplishments that are worth all the times he’s sold out the Democratic cause, aren’t they? I mean, let’s see here, he “got” Homeland Security only after Republicans figured out how they could use it as an election wedge by using it to attack government worker unions. And the McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act, as far as I can tell… hasn’t passed. But it got out of committee! Surely that’s a reasonable trade for supporting a war and talking it up on Fox, right?
Pathetic.
*ilson46201 @ 225
I love it when you tease.
Dairymaid – I believe the this universe is treating me well, but I won’t know for a while. Yeah, it’s treating me well.
*ilson – It is interesting that you mention orthogonality – my Flickr account is under Evil Perpendicular Universe, although I’m having second thoughts since I don’t like the idea of “right” anything (e.g. that whole Italics things).
Billmon recovered enough to write a pithy Lieberman post: Day Dream Believer.
immanentize @
118
Just driving by on my way to softball, but has anyone made the observation that by paying for food and lodging for the College Republicans, Joe is effectively making an in-kind donation to the Republican Party, since they can take those savings and pass them along to, say, Santorum?
Lieberman was on Talk of the Nation on NPR–he said that he always knew that he would have a fight for the nomination and he repeated the lame joke that he was hoping the “Lord sent a poor opponent instead of a rich one”. HA HA!
He said that he did not sign the letter that other Democrats sent re: getting out of Iraq and said that only eight dems signed it–the leadership. He sort of repeated his stay the course mantra. Neil cut him off and thanked him and then said he had another call from Conn.–it was Ned and he sounds so great on the radio. Very polished and very to the point. He doesn’t waste a word and he is extremely fluent. Very effective!
New thread.
RevDeb @
100
RevDeb, immanentize, op99
Thanks all. I appreciate the kind words, here or there.
John Casper
I’ve been lurking. Trying to break my way through some tedious dayjob stuff so I’ve been trying to avoid getting thick into commenting.
It’s my inner fran that gets the small penetrations.
BTW – it’s really disheartening to look back a a typo filled post, see that nifty little edit comment button dangling there like a bottle of Advil, gel cap – only to pound it repeatedly and discover that, like a childproof cap, you have to know how to do something other than pound to make it work. *s*
Dover B – It is really disturbing (along with the atrocity Specter is pushing out of committee, along with the mindboggling Padillaslation, and the State Secrets garbage, and the … *s*
You see, per the Seton Hall summaries – almost no one at GITMO can even be claimed, under any convolution of fact of circumstance, to have been involved in international terrorism.
Has ANYONE in Congress bothered to have the Seton Hall kids (I use that reference with admiration as in — kick out the Senior Senators and let the kids run the country) come and testify? Is there anyone in our actual gov or military who has as good an idea as they do about who we have at GITMO?
Has anyone bothered to have the Uighars that were finally released testify to show what kinds of screwups might be happening that need to be addressed? How about the guys we are holding bc we screwed up and figured that if the Taliban was holding someone for being Anti-Bin Laden, we should too?
Anyone want to get LIbby’s memory expert to tell us how a nation can just forget its values?
Ah, now I see. The WaPo editorial talks about Joe working with Republicans to “move legislation forward,” which is how they claim as an accomplishment legislation that was voted down by Republicans. It’s not technically a lie, but boy is it revealing.
That is one of the greatest sentences seen here in months. And EPU’ed! Please use it again or I will steal it!
Mary,
The edit button has a short life – you’ve got about five minutes to click it and go back to deal with those pesky typos before they become set in stone.
Go ahead and steal it – and fix the typo when you do. *g*
Peterr – if you are still here – if you are in the 5 minutes, can you edit even your nextmostrecent post?
If you write something reasonably interesting
about Poland.
I’m sure you’ll get more than 233 comments
Luckily I’m no longer an English professor, Frannie, or you’d see a big green FRAG on the first piece of that.
And we’re just slacking today. Overnight night-before-last, we managed to wow out 552 comments celebrating Ned’s boffo performance on Colbert.
Would you guy care to try his luck with Colbert? Hmmm?
HAW! youR guy!
Mary 234
wonderful
thank you
OldCoastie @ 159
While you’re in town, pick up a small bottle of Vitamin B1 – or of a B-complex that includes at least 50mg of B1.
Take one of those and see if the skeeters don’t give you a wider berth.
I’ve always though Alter was miles better than most of the weenie circuit types. I think his parents were old-time, unapologetic liberals from the old days. Wonder if Joe is an old friend, because I expect Alter to be much more perceptive and brave than this.
Mary @ 240
I think so – I believe there’s a five minute ticker on each one.
[Yep, I went back and edited this one . . . talk about a timewarp!]
So let’s run a test, Mary . . .
Dover Bitch @ 212
Worst of all, the DefSec is the one who decides what’s a “crime” in this scheme.
The whole thing is outrageous and unAmerican, but the current DefSec is, um, BFN.
little dog -
That wasn’t my comment, it was a response to another comment of mine. These new fancy changes can be confusing!
Screw civility!
Screw getting along!
Screw compromise!!
Let the RIGHT be civil. Let the NEO-CONS compromise. Let the RELIGIOUS FANATICS try to get along with US!
Why is it the left that’s supposed to do all the giving! Forget it! I’m through!
Jenny from the Blog @ 248
Ooops. Oh, well. We seem to be deep in EPU-land.
That’s what I get for actually working for an hour. *g*
little dog -
hee hee. I loved your comment anyway!
I wonder how experienced are you? That was downright unprofessional of you to pull that blackface stunt. The good news is that readers of rightwing blogs will not be voting in the CT Democratic primary anyway. But the Malkins and Hewitts will get plenty of cable news time on it. In retrospect, your flash of creativity was very bush league.
Jim @ 11
This was exactly my thought. That shows clearly that his work is shoddy at best and lazy. We need leaders and representatives that can see the forest for the trees and know how to ask the right questions and when. This was a prime example of the “go along with the Republicans” mode of operation that progressives resent most about Joe. We’re looking for better.
I just love to hear you folks get in a quim when someone doesn’t do what YOU want. Dems eatin Dems is a delicious meal from those of us who believe there are Moral Absolutes and one day will be accountable to a higher power.
Question is, if Lamont wins and splits the dem party, will the 28% who follow your words…follow the party.
The black vote and the latino vote are Pro-family and most are pro-life so where will the party be 5 years from now.
What you guys need are ideas and plans…not more of the “Conservative bad..wer’re good”.. Heck most of you probably don’t pay taxes so you are not perterved that your tax dollars go to support the UN and proxy terrorist organizations like that huh.
Me thinks it’s time for a third party…BTW: why hide the blackface…after all that is what you guys stand for, huh.