
Image by the amazing DarkBlack.
Yesterday, the Democratic leadership in the House and Senate issued a joint letter to President George Bush, saying he needs to get our troops out of Iraq — and stop the whole "rose colored glasses" act. No one but the idiotic drunk-on-kool-aid set is buying the Bush Administration’s "things look swell, things look great, gonna have the whole Middle East on a plate" song and dance any longer.
Hillary Clinton even issued a press release stating her support for the Democratic leadership’s reasoned position yesterday. So where in the world is Joe Lieberman?
The Bush Administration’s approach to foreign policy these days can best be described as "Oh crap. What now?!?" Iraq is disintegrating into more and more sectarian violence (see Froomkin from yesterday, Reuters, Mercury News, the AP, Juan Cole, Laura Rozen, and Swopa’s Joe Klein smackdown, for more). The conflict between Lebanon and Israel grows more and more violent and tense by the day, and even stauch Republican foreign policy wonks are voicing criticisms of the Bush Administration’s lack of any coherent foreign policy or diplomatic initiative.
"The arrows are all pointing in the wrong direction," said Richard N. Haass, who was President Bush’s first-term State Department policy planning director. "The biggest danger in the short run is it just increases frustration and alienation from the United States in the Arab world. Not just the Arab world, but in Europe and around the world. People will get a daily drumbeat of suffering in Lebanon and this will just drive up anti-Americanism to new heights."…
"What the conflict has exposed in a really clear way is how linked all these issues in the region are to each other," said Mara Rudman, a deputy national security adviser in the Clinton White House now at the liberal Center for American Progress. "The worst-case scenario . . . is a much more radicalized Islamic fundamentalist Middle East and much more isolated Israel and a much more isolated United States and fewer people to talk with."
Haass, the former Bush aide who leads the Council on Foreign Relations, laughed at the president’s public optimism. "An opportunity?" Haass said with an incredulous tone. "Lord, spare me. I don’t laugh a lot. That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time. If this is an opportunity, what’s Iraq? A once-in-a-lifetime chance?"
In the long run, he and others warn, the situation could cement the perception that the United States is so pro-Israel that a new generation of Arab youth will grow up perceiving Americans as enemies. The internal pressure on friendly governments in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere could force them to distance themselves from Washington or crack down on domestic dissidents to keep power. In either case, Bush may have little leverage to press for democratic reforms.
Is it me or does that sound like the Bush Administration is actually making the United States, Israel, our other allies in Europe and South Asia and the Middle East less safe? So where in the world is Joe Lieberman?
Does anyone else see the sheer idiocy of the Lieberman finger-wagging "no criticizing the President" malarky in the face of former members of the Administration’s diplomatic staff openly laughing at the lunacy of the President’s continued "see no mistakes, admit no mistakes" policy process?
Bob Geiger raises some issues today that is well worth discussing:
And how can the cost of Bush and his crew of miscreants making us the most despised nation in the world, and the effect that will have for the next generation of Americans, be quantified and measured? Certainly we’re far less secure now that you can fit the worldwide credibility of our intelligence services into a thimble and the diplomatic word of the United States isn’t worth squat anywhere in the world.
Looking at the media’s current big story — at the exclusion of the tragedy of Iraq — how much more could we be doing to broker peace in the Middle East if we hadn’t started a bogus war there ourselves and if our government had a sliver of credibility left with any other world leaders?
And how can the Corporate Media continue to ignore something this huge, obvious and devastating, while allowing those responsible to escape any accountability whatsoever?
Wouldn’t we all like to see some accountability from everyone who continues to pursue policies and actions which are making all of us less safe? Especially from those politicians and pundits who keep giving the Bush Administration cover and solace, enabling them to keep racking up failure after failure after failure.
And, if you were an enterprising reporter wouldn’t you be asking, every single chance that you got — where in the world is Joe Lieberman on all of this?
Just because Joe Lieberman told the rest of us to suck it up and keep our mouths shut, doesn’t mean he has to do the same. And a real reporter wouldn’t let him keep getting away with this game of dodgeball on so many important questions.
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Harry! Nancy!
And Fitz, too!
Peterr gets a zero!!
Saladin!
Fitz!
Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson !
Ned!
Richard Haass
Jane!
Kobe!
Rootz!
Victory 06!
…and in the words of the amazing darkblack: “fukifino”
:-)
John Casper!
Accountability . . . what a great idea!
What now, Christy? Try Cuba. . . Doesn’t the news out of Cuba make you happy that we may have yet another foreign policy “situation” to deal with, complete with passionate people in the US with ties to various parties in the region in question?
How many crises can BushCo juggle? And tell me again, Joe: how does it help if no one offers any constructive criticism?
Not every questioner is a troll, Joe – but it must feel like that when you’re not used to answering them!
Egregious 5
Link for you at the bottom of Do More Than Vote thread.
If you think Liebahman 3.0 is insufferable, should 4.0 ever comes to pass, it will be non-stop in your face about how his “principles” were affirmed by the voters. Must.not.happen.
Fluck Fleaberman.This is a no win for Joe. His little comment is coming back to bite him in the ass.Don’t criticize the President, eh?Somebody sure as hell needs to!This is the most pathetic joke of a foriegn policy I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. It’s criminally negligent at best.At worst, It’s unthinkably premeditated.
…and poor Afghanistan
http://www.afghanobserver.com/
Peterr 8
I believe I heard the Chimporer say this morning “Our objective for Cuba is to free the Cuban people. Freeing the Cuban people is our objective”
Huh? We’re supposed to free the Cuban people? Will somebody please make this bloodthirsty clown shut his mouth?
The article about this letter from the Dems was in the NYTimes headlined:
Democratic Leaders Ask Bush to Redeploy Troops in Iraq
By ADAM NAGOURNEY
Off topic- just saw V for Vendetta out in DVD today. The new 1984 great movie!
little dog 12:
I swear every time the man opens his mouth at least 1,000 people die.
darkblack
Love the Easter ISland riff
The next President of the United States needs to be a giant. Or at least a professional.
I nominate Russ Feingold. (with but some trepidation, for no one worthy of the job would ever desire the job)
Jenny from the Blog @ 16
You’re right. I’ve never been in this state in my whole life, where I just want to scream every time I tune in to see what’s going on in the world.
I have never felt so helpless in my life.
Most folks around here are more than familiar with Dan Froomkin’s “White House Briefing” web column, but his other hat is working with the NiemanWatchdog.org, part of the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard.
One of the ongoing aspects of this site is to get experts in various fields to pose questions for journalists to ask. Check it out, if you’re interested in pushing the media to do their job better.
jayt
Who else do you think is worthy?
The new NED ad: “Wishing Well” http://www.nedlamont.com/blog
And see the post uder it…”Rock the Boat” ;-)
Freddled Gruntbuggly @ 157
I declare, this populace gets more interestingly-named by the minute . . .
What’s amazing is that it’d be the easiest thing in the world to just join the Democrats here. This is Joe’s perfect chance, just sign his name onto the letter. Easy.
lhp – lemme think on it. I’ll ponder this while going to the grocery.
But I do see what appears to be an admirable selfless quality about Feingold.
Why doesn’t this blog talk more about the important issues, like why Ned hasn’t produced a Numa Numa video yet?!
(sorry, just proactively disarming the concern trolls hehe)
Ilson: (from last thread) Babelfish is a wonderful thing, but it tends to give you dotty grammar and inaccurate vocab…did you really mean to say that you had corn (the vegetable) growing out of your foot? ;)
Regarding the whole ME thing, I have to wonder if the unstated goal of BushCo is to topple the moderate Sunni dominated governments of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan. By enflaming the Shia from Iraq to Syria, and by so blatantly greenlighting Israeli terrorism, it is certainly not helping the Sunnis. I know it’s fashionable to call BushCo incompetent, but I really do think there is a method to what they are doing; they’ve put a lot of thought into it, and I just don’t believe it’s all going a way they don’t want it to.
Since I’m one of those reality based people, and I don’t share the neocon notion that it’s just peachy for millions to die in the name of their radical ideology, I want their insane plans to fail. And I want a peaceful planet of which we are a productive member, rather than a wartorn disaster area where we are the biggest bully on the block.
Christy:
Good post.
Do you know if Lieberman has said anything about Iraq in the past, oh, week or two?
Thanks.
little dog 18
I think this is one of the reasons I so look forward to every Ned post that goes up here at FDL. It’s an energizing, bright force. This one race gives me a feeling of accomplishment and hope on even the gloomiest days.
I’m telling you, I go to bed most nights with apocalyptic visions. And I’m no drama queen.
Jenny from the Blog @ 28
Me, too. Exactly.
Kurt — in Indiana we have corn growing everywhere !
btw, nice phrase “dotty grammar” – so tactful!
Kurt 25:
I think it’ll take decades, if ever, for the U.S. to get its reputation back. I’d settle for an equitable role as working partners in the world community because we don’t deserve to be leaders anymore.
Connecticut News 12 just reported that more than 6,000 CT voters have abruptly switched their voter registrations from independents to Democrats in the past couple of months, in order to be able to vote in the upcoming primary. I see that as a good sign for Lamont. Anyone have any other analysis on that one?
News 12 then played a soundbite of Lieberman predicting a higher-than-expected turnout next week, which he thinks works to his advantage. Turning to Lamont, News 12 mentioned his appearance on The Colbert Report last night, then reported the endorsements he’s picked up from Revs. Jackson and Sharpton.
This is getting awfully interesting…
Going to meet Ned in an hour and a half in my town. He has been to most small towns in Ct. and that is part of his smart campaign. Plan to thank him for standing up, so we can stand with him.
Kai -
Awfully interesting!
Way to go Phil!
7 days till the primary.Coming down to the wire here folks.I can feel the energy today. Jane must be beside herself being in the middle of it all.
Where In the World Is Joe Lieberman?
he left his karma in San Diego
As I reluctantly tune in to the latest bad news from Iraq and the Middle East, and read the selection of online pieces on the same subject, I am more worried than ever about the future that awaits those in that region, and Americans here and around the world.
It seems to me that we have failed to have a policy that gets much beyond platitudes and ideals. Of course we all want peace, and we all want to feel safe, and we all want ourselves and others to have the opportunities that come with freedom. That is so obvious that it doesn’t even need to be said, and yet, that seems to represent the bulk of what Bush and Rice and others are saying, day after day, as if saying it enough will make it so. (Hmmm…that seems like a familiar tactic, one that has worked to some extent with segments of the American public, but it just doesn’t seem to be working when it comes to foreign policy).
So, Joe Lieberman, conspicuously absent and conspicuously silent, which is probably one reason he’s fighting for his political life. Times are hard, and this is no place for someone who is content to just go along with whatever is the prevailing or conventional wisdom, no place for someone who trembles at questioning the status quo, who is too afraid that speaking up will offend. The stakes are huge, and we all have an interest. At such a critical time both domestically and globally, Connecticut and the nation need a Senator who can focus on finding the right answers to the questions that face us, and who will seek those answers without regard to protecting a political agenda or being voted Mr. Congeniality.
Joe Lieberman: useless and clueless; we don’t have time for either.
Peterr at 12:10:
How many crises can BushCo juggle?
Umm, one? Maybe?
The most infuriating thing is the willingness of so many to go along with the narrative that these crises “just happened” and the only thing to discuss is how the administration responds to them. They didn’t “just happen,” it’s like discussing the crisis of your car hurtling toward a tree, with no consideration of the fact that you took your hands off the steering wheel.
“It wasn’t my fault, it just happened” is the cry of the incompetent, who can never admit a mistake; anything that goes wrong is someone else’s fault or just bad luck.
Wingnuts are always slandering liberals as “blame America first,” but conservatives have become “proclaim America helpless first”:
“No one could have foreseen…”
“It’ll just have to run its course…”
“We can’t afford to…”
My America is smart and persuasive and bold, tough not just in war but in hammering out agreements, determined in producing good results for all of us, not stubbornly “staying the course” whether it’s working or not. What use does any true American have for leaders who not only fail to show those qualities, but publicly declare that no one has them.
My America has them in spades. If you don’t, you’re not leading, you’re just making excuses, so get the hell out of the way.
Jackson’s endorsement is huge imo. It’s national and it really blunts momentum Joezoe might have gotten from Clinton.
IIRC, the only African American “name” that Joezoe has is John Lewis.
All that pales, however, in the light of Maxine Waters and Al Sharpton,
on the ground in CT, campaigning with Ned.
punaise @
37
and his dogma in DC
There are few chances in one’s life to make a difference in the world but the election of Ned is one of them. It will be seen all around the world as a reputation of Bush & Co.’s policies and at this time with the ME in flames it is coming at the best time possible.
and your little dog, too @ 13
“Huh? We’re supposed to free the Cuban people? Will somebody please make this bloodthirsty clown shut his mouth?”
You’re too kind, I was thinking along the lines of put him in a straightjacket…sad to say.
Seems to me that the movement of Independents to the Democratic primary may spell trouble for Lamont. Is anyone tracking the movement of Republicans?
Awesome, Phil! If you get a chance, tell him hello from all of us.
Gawd, I have 5 FDL windows open — including the photo of Maxine, Ned, and Jane. That one is a keeper!!!
But I.must.do.work — must.finish.4.week.old.report.
ack!!!
While he is in the oval office, tell him to go pee in a corner. That ought to keep him busy.
“Seems to me that the movement of Independents to the Democratic primary may spell trouble for Lamont.”
Why?
In the primary or the general?
peony @ 43
I was thinking more like “‘WE’ and what army, Mr. Smartypants?”
In the primary.
Jenny from the Blog @ 31
I heard some country wanted the US removed from the Security Council…and sadly I have to agree that we haven’t been a productive member of it since BushCo. Unfortunately it’s probably going to take a major war to get the UN reformed in any meaningful way to stop SC veto powers from making the world less secure. Just kicking us off the Council doesn’t really address the problem.
So all we have to do is throw the neocons out, permanently gut the Republican party, since they have demonstrated that they can’t be trusted to govern ever again, reform the Democratic Party to make it more Progressive, get the corporations out of our government, reform the United Nations, solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, develop and promote a non-carbon based energy source, reverse global warming, and give everyone a pony. Piece of cake!
Don’t know about independents but someone linked yesterday to a report that of 7000 new voter regs in Connecticut, 494 (or thereabouts) were Rethug, the rest Dem. None were reported in the independent category.
treebark 15 – wolcott on V for Vendetta
Yeh, Mommybrain 52, those were indies choosing sides.
Gotta love free Air America radio via the iTunes app (check the Talk/Spoken Word stream listing). Randi is on fire today!
Kurt @ 26
Or for that matter, why hasn’t Ned Lamont produced a Manah Manah video yet? ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wMHcpMmV9g
Interesting questions, Kai.
I guess there are a couple ways to look at it.
If Lieberman was again a slam-dunk winner, an Independent or unaffiliated voter might not have any qualms about not being able to vote in the primary – they’d just wait for Lieberman to ace the primary, and then vote for him in the general. So those suddenly-affiliated voters might be Lieberman supporters worried that he might lose in the primary.
On the other hand, Lieberman has been out there proclaiming that if he lost the primary, he’d run as an unaffiliated candidate in the general – which means that the unaffiliated voters would still be able to vote for him if he lost the primary – the primary outcome wouldn’t matter.
These might well be voters who want to ensure that Lamont beats Lieberman soundly, with Democratic votes, and send a message that Joe isn’t going to be able to draw upon the Independents to eke out a win in the general.
Oh, what the hell do I know – just hoping it’s a plus for Lamont!
The voters that are switching or new registrations are good news for Ned. Few voters would move for HoJo.
New voter registration sound like very good news. My concern is that conservatives may cross over to help Joe.
Kurt 50
Whew… had to catch my breath for a minute. :)
France, Germany and others are starting to work around us. They’re having their own meetings, practically scheduling them while Bush is buttering his bread.
I often wonder which country might emerge as a real force for peace? Dragged kicking and screaming into prominence because the world needs it so desperately… I’m drawing a blank, but the Europeans are definitely getting FED UP. They’re going to have to get off their butts soon and do something.
“In the primary.”
How does independents registering as Democrats hurt Ned?
bill at 12:44:
It was reported a week or two ago that Republicans were trying to switch to vote in the Dem primary, but were finding out that CT law doesn’t allow it (they had to do it three months ahead, I think.) Only the unaffiliated can switch to join a party shortly before a primary.
In a state that’s as blue as Connecticut, I’m not concerned about a conspiracy of Republicans who became independents more than three months ago (before Lamont forced a primary and Lieberman announced the indy run) just so they could mess with the Dem primary. These independents are real independents, and I haven’t seen any evidence that Joe is exciting independents any more than any other voters.
I’d guess at worst it’s a wash, and at best they’re pro-Lamont.
RE: the UN (thanks for bringing it up, Kurt) I think for the UN to work we need to eliminate the Security Council. A top down structure is so wrong for an international organization.
astralplame @ 49
John Casper from last thread but strangely on topic here.
My take on emptywheel’s article is that it reflects the fact that the whole world outside of Israel and the Bush Administration oppose what Israel is doing in Lebanon and that opposition weakens us.
Syria and Iran aren’t doing anything right now because they don’t have to. It’s not like they forced Israel to overreact in the violent and pointless way it has. Israel’s brutality and impotence are making all their points for them and they don’t have to do a thing.
Regional allies like Saudi Arabia and Egypt are dismayed in public and infuriated in private. They don’t like Hezbollah and would not have minded Hezbollah being taught a lesson but Israel’s main target has not been Hezbollah but Lebanon. The wanton destruction there has forced them into the uncomfortable position of supporting a group they would rather oppose and underlines the wrongheadedness of the Bush Israeli approach.
Europeans are also conflicted. The European public doesn’t like what Israel is doing in Lebanon. Most of the governments don’t either and those that disagree most strongly are precisely those who are expected to contribute most to any international force for the area. Sort of a how not to win friends and not influence people.
So in brief there is a lot of anger, frustration, and some gloating over the mess the Israelis have created and that the US is condoning. The result is our standing in the world is further diminished, which is pretty amazing considering Iraq. Our relations not only with our allies but our opponents are complicated. We are perceived in the world not as a force for good but as a loose cannon. We may be powerful but we are not reliable. And being so, how can we expect to lead or for any to follow us? Bush talks a lot about spreading “freedom” and “democracy” throughout the Middle East but what he has had the most success in doing so far is in spreading hate of us.
So when emptywheel talks about levers, I agree that there is pressure being put on this Administration and Rice may be feeling some of it, but Bush not so much and with the neocons? They relish the opportunity to tell the world to go f*ck itself.
As far as changing voter registration to vote in dem primary from independent to dem, some have been spinning it to say they want to vote for Lieberman. I guess we won’t know for sure which way those voters go. But it makes sense (changing registration I mean) — anyone who wants a voice needs to vote in the dem primary.
Mommybrain @ 52
It is too late for Repubs to switch to Dems so they can vote in the primary. I believe the deadline was 60 or 90 days prior to the election. Independents can switch to Dems up to the day of or day before the election.
Great comment at the Washington Monthly:
Thanks Redshift. Sigh of relief. That makes good sense.
What RedShift said above.
Kai @ 32
“News 12 then played a soundbite of Lieberman predicting a higher-than-expected turnout next week, which he thinks works to his advantage.
So, Fibberman, if it is a more than just a sampling of primary voters on a muggy day in August, you’ll forego you’re run as an independent? Right?
Totally OT, but I gotta say before I lose it.
Does the handle “Catfish N. Cod” mean anything personal to anybody here?
Hugh at 12:54, thanks doesn’t begin to say it.
If you have the time or the inclination, is there a chance in your opinion, that our leading industrialists, financiers, Hedge fund owners etc, will point out to the WH that Saudi Arabia is making noises about the possibility of lessening the amount of oil sold to the U.S.?
That to me that is the one pressure point that would get the WH’s attention.
That’s very oddly concerned of you Bill, what part of Joe Has To Go -hardly anyone showing up at his stops- vs. huge enthusiastic crowds for Ned have you been missing? Joe is shitting his pants and sucking his damn thumb in the corner, he already knows a large percentage of those newly registered Dems are doing it to vote for Ned, NOT him. Trouble, as in IN trouble, is spelled: J-o-e.
“Where in the world is Joe Lieberman?”
He’s vacationing on Easter Island….the one that’s all the way to the right.
HoJo can’t even get twenty people to come to one of his rallies, so do you think he could get 7000 indes to join his (???) Democratic party?
Hugh knows.
I think more Dems coming out to vote has to be a plus for Ned, not Joe. Joe’s left himself an “out:” running as an unaffiliated candidate in the general, so it simply doesn’t matter whether he wins or loses in the primary.
What I’m hoping for is (1) larger-than-expected turnout, (2) a solid win for Ned, leading to (3) Joe’s realization (helped along by party honchos) that he can’t beat Ned no matter what affiliation he has, and concluding with (4) Joe dropping out of the race altogether.
Redshift @ 62
My fear is that they are unaffiliated because they have no core political orientation, and are swayed by persona over substance. If they’re not being exposed to Ned, could they be snookered by the “nice guy Joe” centrist baloney?
Lotus – a quick search shows no one here has commented with that moniker. ???
Where’s HoJo NOW?
Under the desk at the Oval Office?
Shaking down a friendly PAC for some LieberYouth scrip?
Scolding his moral inferiors from a secure, undisclosed bully pulpit?
Come on, everybody…Where’s HoJo NOW?
;>)
Joe — like Bush — is frozen by the fear that his past failures will lead to future failures (thanks Teddy SF)
Meanwhile, as for Cuba, I think that we have seen that the only tool in Bush’s toolbox is the hammer of the military. I am certain we ave wargamed this scenario. Now maybe he will see an opportunity for a military success? Let’s see if there is any emerging talk about how an unstable Cuba in transition is a threat to our southern borders….
lotus @ 72
Sounds fishy to me :)
Oh veruca….Manah Manah!
Old Sow @ 63
Oh it was a good idea for after WW2, put the countries with the biggest militaries into a position where they could “drive the world” with their veto ability so to speak. But times changed, and increasingly the world is more globalized…just keeping the peace is really not enough anymore. There’s so many non-military issues that end up becoming military issues because they are not being addressed in a global framework.
We need to find a way to address the global issues politically, without the bullshit of the current structure. (IMHO of course hehe)
Kurt,
The key tenet of the necon philosophy is to use military force to achieve policy goals. If the goals aren’t met, it is taken to mean that not enough military force was used. The real world failure of neoconservatism does not result in its abandonment but rather the embrace of the “glass parkinglot” mentality you see among rightwing pundits and in the right blogosphere. In brief, it is if “they” won’t do what we tell them, nuke’m.”
This may have been mentioned in another thread, but just in case…
http://villagevoice.com/news/0…..970,9.html
Hugh at 65 — well put.
I might add that the world could accept one huge blunder — Iraq — after all, all our major allies were working off of our intel and Saddam’s bluster and they actually did believe he could be a credible threat and was a bad man….
What has happened in theLebanese crisis is that Bush’s avowed strategy is let them kill as many as they want and God will sort them out. It has not only been spun that way, but the Whitehouse, through UN vetoes and many “confidential” statements has urged that image of Bush’s support for Ohmert’s actions.
This is what is diminishing us further in the world. Not our impotence (Iraq) but our utter callous disregard of Lebanon as an emerging democratic nation, and for the innocent and deeply impoverished people who live there in the south and in the countryside. It’s as if, after the Syrian pullout and the election that was the extent of our concern. Then, once democracy led to the political power Hezbollah gained, Bush said, screw it, kill them all, they are bad deciders.
Two more thoughts — first, Joe’s campaign has been all-negative, and the only purpose of that is to depress turnout for your opponent (at the expense of depressing it for yourself, but less.) This tells me that Joe’s campaign staff see Lamont voters as more motivated than theirs. (With the caveat that since they’ve been so incompetent overall, we can’t be sure of any theory that assumes they’re pursuing sensible strategy.)
Second, primaries are always low-turnout and hard to predict. It’s all about who can get more people to actually vote, and it’s easy to believe your own hype (especially those of us looking on from afar.) I always tend toward optimism, myself, and I want to believe it’s warranted, but nobody should get cocky.
song for lotus:
she’s been hearing from the Catfish
all the live long day
she’s been hearing from the Catfish
what does N. Cod have to say?
can you hear the wheels turning
as she keeps wonderin’ who it is
can you hear the Catfish saying
“I am such a whiz.”
But alas, lotus, that’s mere speculation on my part. Hope you get your question(s) answered …
lotus, start here:
Catfish N.Cod
and also click on ‘blog’ on the left to show a cluster of posts by that handle.
Mfi turned us on to http://clusty.com to find out things like that. Hopes this helps.
darkblack @
81
darkblack @
81
darkblack @
81
He is in his bunker in an undisclosed location?
Redshift @ 62, op99 @ 79:
I agree with Redshift’s analysis; except that I don’t even think it’s a wash, I think this news is a plus for Lamont. Most CT independents are progressive (for example, me), so I think the movement to Dem is strongly pro-Lamont. And I don’t think voters will be snookered (nice word choice, by the way) by the Regular Joe act; I believe this election will be driven by the passionate voters, not the casual ones.
darkblack @ 81
Do not pass Joe. Do not collect 200 independent signatures.
Great post Christy. I have been on vacation for a week (great bluegrass festival in Colorado) and this post sums up my thoughts on coming back to even worse news than when I left. Being news free for a week gave me a fresh perspective on the current events. My first initial reaction was that all of the current events are an election year ploy by Karl Rove that has gotten out of hand.
Can it get any worse? Yes.
P.S. love the new layout.
Lotus – you still wondering? You’re might quiet. until 4 days ago, he was here:
http://frassle.net/catfishncod
before that, here:
http://catfishncod.blogspot.com/
Wazzup, grrl?
Joe Lieberman’s current position on Iraq is probably similar to George W. Bush’s position–he can’t call for a troop withdrawal because that would acknowledge he has been wrong until now.
Dan Whitworth 85 – heh. If only, but I’m sure Hadassah’s Big Pharma money will keep them afloat.
Mwahahahaha Dan @84! That cartoon would make a great poster, it’s a spewer. Joe’s Retirement Package.
I think this might actually get Joe to have an excuse to criticize the president and get away with it with his republican puppeteers
if he does that Lamont might loose the edge he has in the polls
Re: the Easter Island Kiss: “Ack-ew, ack-ew!”
the retirement pension for 18 years in the Senate with a final salary of $165,200/year probably isnt too shabby either…
Shez @ 97
Perhaps Murdock has a cozy job offer for him. Maybe he could sing backup in Tony Blair’s new boy band.
Any news on how many Cubans we’ll need to kill in order to free them?
FDL headlines:
Holy-Joe’s “Principled” Dogma
Devoured by
Karma-Karma-Karma Chameleon
Hey everybody,
I had heard that there was going to be a new Quinnipiac poll on the Lamont/Lieberman race this morning, but I haven’t seen it anywhere. I suppose the only reasonable answer is that there was no poll released today — but does anybody know when there will be a new one?
GrandmaJ @
66
Local news reports say that GrandmaJ might be right (though I really, really hope not). I’m in western Massachusetts & saw (read? heard?) a local news report that quite a few of the people changing their voter registrations were doing so to vote for Joe because of Joe’s support of Israel. I can’t for the life of me remember where I read/heard/saw this report but can remember how my heart sank when I read/heard/saw it. I’m really hoping it was campaign spin on the part of Lieberman but thought I should mention it. If anyone has a clue where I saw/heard/read the news, I’d love to know!
Kai @ 91
That makes sense, especially if the plurality of CT voters who chose to be unaffiliated did so because they were P.O.ed at HoJo’s flaccid stance wrt traditional Dem values. The party left them, they didn’t leave the party, and now there’s something to come back for. Here’s hoping!
Breaking…
CHTOURA, Lebanon (Reuters) – Helicopters landed Israeli soldiers on hills near the northeastern Lebanese town of Baalbek, a Hizbollah stronghold, on Tuesday, Lebanese security sources said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..hdA–
Baalbek is close to the Syrian border.
OT Mommybrain
From the late night thread a few days ago, just wondering how you’re doing.
susan at omni tel com dot com
Thad Beier @ 103
According to His Lordship Kos, it comes out on Thursday. (Seems Kos was
in errorthe victim of mistaken intelligence.)Sadie Sue at 105
That idea that people are becomming Democrats for the first time because of Joe’s support for Israel makes almost no sense. The Jewish population in the Northeast tend to be side-pickers — Democratic (mostly) or Republican (plenty enough). I think it is the younger people and the cranky Yankee iconoclasts (protestants mostly) who make up most of the non-denomonational voters up here. I will look for some stats….
BTW, I love the new bells and whistles on the comment technology. I find my spelling has improved markedly under just the threat of spell check. Now FDL will have not only the smartest, funniest, noblest, and caringest commentariat, but also the purdiest!
Coz, I’d guess Israel wants to get the US involved with airpower and getting Syria riled up seems the most direct path. I don’t know, but I think that Israel must be close to panic at its inability to make the Hezbollians stop lobbing explosives.
ROFL Bill. Glad to see you stuck around and that you have a sense of humor.
And now, from an astro/political blog I frequent references these aspects:
Monday ends a favorable grand trine involving the benefic planet Venus… Now we will begin a more challenging aspect formation known as a T-square involving the Sun, August 2-11. On August 2, the Sun will form a waning square to Jupiter; on August 7 it forms a conjunction with Saturn; and on August 11, it completes this multiple aspect formation with an opposition to Neptune.
Shorter interpretation: people are pissed, disgusted, mortified, tired, and want CHANGE, and will rise up to make sure there IS much needed change. Once again not looking good for Bushco or Joe.
You know, every time I look at this DarkBlack graphic, I bust up laughing. hehehehehe Easter Island Kiss statues. Freaking hilarious. Mwahahahaha!
imm,
I heard somewhere on TV yesterday that 7% of Conn. Dems are Jewish
Cozumel @ 107
All of Northern and Western and all but a little bit of Southern Lebanon is on the Syrian Lebanon
border. What is really worrying, Cozumel, is that the North, by the border or not, has not been traditionally viewed at “Hizbollah stronghold.” I am equally worried that in this rather flat part of the world, taking a hilltop near Syria is problematic….
John Casper,
My take on the Saudis is that it is all about the survival of the monarchy and that they stick out their necks for nobody. Their first instinct is to buy their way out of a crisis. Along these lines, they have pledged $1.5 billion for the rebuilding of Lebanon (which is more than anyone else that I know of). They have also expressed their displeasure with Bush’s detachment from Lebanon and will continue to do so. But I don’t see them rocking the boat of global oil markets. Through their oil wealth they are invested not only in oil production but in a lot of industries located in oil importing countries like ours. Michael Moore in Fahrenheit 911 pointed out the Saudis own 7% of our economy. So they can’t jerk us around without jerking themselves around as well and they aren’t going to do that unless they feel seriously and personally threatened.
So sad. Someone who shows so little interest in being President should resign.
Thanks again Hugh.
Peterr
You do know that the MSM will not realize that “his Lordship Kos” was snark?
op99 @ 79
I’ve been registered “unaffiliated” for decades (I vote liberal, but not always Democrat.) I, as with most unaffiliated folks I’ve talked poltics with, have strong core political orientations. The reason we’re unaffiliated isn’t from lack of conviction. Just the opposite. Someone who is easily swayed by image would be more likely to go with the flow and register in a party.
If I were in CT, I would absolutely switch to Dem for strategic purposes, so I could vote for Lamont.
Is FDL under some kind of spam attack or something? Comments are taking VERY long to load, the screen keeps freezing and periodically, FDL just closes on it’s own.
I am not having any other computer problems today
immanentize @ 110
Hi Imm –
Thanks for the response (that was my very first real-time comment here after months & months of lurking). The story I mentioned claimed that people were “becoming” Democrats because they were worried that Joe wouldn’t win the primary & they felt the need to support him & to try to help him win — & I brought up the story just to let you know what is being said on local news (our local news is out of CT or Springfield MA not Boston), not because I either believe it or want it to be true. :-)
Well, as to dem voter demographics, this is helpful (from Mystery Pollster)
And if 7% of registered dems are Jewish, that would make an overwhelming number of the Jewish community that is already Dem registered The state population is, I believe, 12% Jewish).
LHP –
Yeah, but then again, I’d be surprised if the MSM could find snark in the dictionary.
My internets (including FDL) are working fairly well, lhp.
lhp at 121 — the servers we are using were dealing with an attack overnight. They’ve been doing a bit of revamping since then — so that could cause a glitch. It’s been slow loading for me at times today also.
I’m trying to imagine just which movies interest George Bush. I’m sure the discussion was on a high intellectual plane.
seepeesate @ 121
I hope my followup comment at 106 will serve as atonement for any offense I unintentionally gave to unaffiliated voters the world over. :)
Way to go ReddHedd!
Great post!
Sadie Sue 121 -
Immanitize and Ms.K8 welcomed me when I made my first (tentative) comment here too. It feels really good and goes a long way to making a new poster feel comfortable. Thanks, Imm!
Jenny from the Blog @ 127
I’m guessing he’s a big Howard the Duck fan.
Kai at 91
Redshift @ 62, op99 @ 79:
I agree with Redshift’s analysis
Yeah. Ar first I thought that the indies might be moving to vote for Joe since being supposedly less partisan they would be less likely to be offended by his actions which hurt the party. But then I thought that if they were going to vote for Joe why would they switch since Joe’s going to be on the ticket in the Leberman for Lieberman party anyway, so it wouldn’t matter much to them. Taking down a Lamont challenge is not so important as long as you get ot vote for your guy in the general in the end and how many are committed enough to be scared that Joe would lose in November and therefore need to keep Ned out of the general.
Add to that that many indies in CT are pretty progressive in that they oppose the war and don’t approve of Bush. So what makes sense is that these anti-war, anti-Bush indies are as fed up with Lieberman as we are and are switching to vote for Ned. After all there is a segment of indies who would vote for Lamont, even if it is now a minority, and maybe they want to make sure he is on the ballot. After all, 7,000 is not that huge a number out of hundreds of thousands.
Kurt 130 -
You’re quite charitable! I was thinking Dumb & Dumber but it seemed so obvious… :)
looseheadprop, this morning FDL acted indentical to how C&L was acting last night before it went down, but instead of going down it’s acting exactly as you describe for me also. Clears up here and there but then freezes again. I cleared my cookies and cache but that didn’t help.
Sadie, it’s the MSM, spinning, round and round. All they know and are stuck on is the Spin Cycle since they’ve forgotten what true journalism is.
OK, for some reason my edit function didn’t work — huge mistake in 124 –
I meant to type that the Jewish population in Connecticut is 3%
Big ef-up, sorry. That means that the Jewish population is already over-represented in the Democratic Party by over 100% of population. Hard to see that the “new Dem Voter Israel supporters” are actually Israel as a Zionist issue connected. Perhaps evangelical christian church connected? (some amount in the unaffiliated protestants which make up 22% of Conn. population)
Meanwhile, Sadie Sue — WELCOME!!!!
Now that you have gone from reader to commenter, there will be no turning back allowed :~)
Hugh @ 84
Or, in another paraphrase, it’s the Tim-the-Toolman rule: If don’t fit, don’t force it. Use a bigger hammer.
On the registration shifts to “D” among non-affiliated voters. There are no data, folks. In the absence of data, we can spin tales to our heart’s content, but we’re being delusional if we believe they’re worth more than the air we used to generate them.
Actually, because reg documents are public documents, it wouldn’t be tough to do a quick-and-dirty survey of the shifters to see what’s what.
BC
CHS 114- darkblack’s images are priceless! al-scooter called JL’s massive coach the blunder bus; since then I have this image of the “blunder buss” float dogging the “blunder bus” coach; and now this image of the island monument to complement the whole surreal tableaux!
My FDL stuff has been going in fits and starts all day – sometimes good, othertimes very very klunky. Right now, I’ve got no preview button or refresh comments button. (Spell Check is my new friend!)
Any chance of an FDL Medal of Honor for Jamie? Service above and beyond, in the face of troll attacks and such? We who are about to comment salute you, Jamie . . .
Oh, and Christy – sent you an email earlier today . . .
(Trying to Submit Comment seems to be having a glitch too – let’s try it again . . .)
Dru, The Blunder Buss, perfect! Love it.
Well, I just lost a post lhp, if that makes you feel any better — and the post was to say that I couldn’t get into correct mode, I made a huge mistake in my post at 124 — The Jewish population of Connecticut is 3% which means that Jews are overrepresented in the Democratic Party vis a vis population by over 100%. Which makes me think that the story about pro-Israeli new Dem voters is spin, not fact.
AND I wanted to say –
Welcome Sadie Sue
You know the rule here, once you move from reader to commenter, you cannot retreat :~) — we all need you and evryone else to pitch in. Your interesting comment sent me off to learn a lot, thanks!
Shez @ 135
Yeah – I know it’s most likely spin but I figured it’s always worth knowing what’s being reported, even if it’s wrong. As my history professor father always said, history is full of events where people acted on what they believed to be true rather than what the facts actually were. Were Dad stil aware of the world, he would be so utterly appalled by what Bush has done.
And Imm & Jenny – thanks for the welcome!! See – Ned has already worked a miracle if he got this opinionated but painfully shy (at least electronically) reader to post. Besides, my husband was getting tired of me talking to the computer/radio/TV (though I catch him doing it now). At least this way when I “talk” to it, it talks back. =)
BC @ 136
Your comments remind me of a saying I learned from my engineering friends: “If the only tool in your box is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.”
Cheney and Rummy have a one-tool box, and they seem intent on pounding the world into submission with it. Hammering doesn’t work? No problem: just get a bigger hammer.
Sadly, the world seems disinclined to go along with the program. Me, I’ve just got a pounding headache. . .
http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=9453
immanetize 138:
This is something I’ve been pondering lately re: Hillary and NY. I keep hearing she’s beholden to her right leaning orthodox constituency to support Israel and the continuing nightmare Iraq. And just how many are there of these people in NY??? Probably a higher percentage than CT – but still I wonder if it’s as big a lobby as is said.
Well, maybe it’s not numbers but dollars.
My tags and buttons have gone all wonky. When I tried to quote peterr saying:
We who are about to comment salute you, Jamie
…it all got italicized, bolded and underlined. Hey, it wasn’t me!
Anyway, I’ll sing a big AMEN to your Jamie comment, Peterr.
Welcome home, SadieSue!
Moeman, aint it a wonder that we read Buchanan and nod in agreement?
The more that I look at that pic by darkblack, the more it speaks to me. Archetypal, you know?
Been reading Jared Diamond’s “Collapse” to my kids at night (they love hearing about the Vikings). Diamond addresses the collapse of a handful of societies, including the Easter Islanders.
Building those enormous heads (moai) was one of, if not THE biggest reasons why the society failed. It ate up all the resources on the island at a rate faster than replenishment – and to what end?
Joe-nertia has used up all of his political capital, chewing through Democratic loyalty faster than he can earn it, and to build this monstrous idol. To what end?
A fine set of J-oai, and no one left to explain them.
Nice work, darkblack, as always.
Hey folks! Been out in the heat all day and it appears I have missed a bunch. CNN is currently pimping rumors that Castro is dead. Anyone hear anything or is it all CNN hooey?
Will I ever catch up with all today’s posts/comments?
Peterr,
I was thinking about that aphorism (when your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail), too.
My dad taught me those things, lo, these many years ago. I also learned that hammers are not useful when the goal is to set a screw.
Hey, maybe I can be SecDef, eh?
For sure, if I had half-a-mind I could be Preznit …
BC
Peterr 2:19
That is exactly what I have been saying for years.
In fact, this is what I wrote six weeks ago, while trying to make the case that people are more easily persuaded by metaphors than complex arguments (forgive the blogwhoring):
Jennyftb — New York’s Jewish population percentage has dropped dramatically since the 1990 census. Then, 6.9% reported as Jewish. At the 2000 census, that figure had dropped to 5%. That is still a very important demographic because of money, because of population concentration in and around New York City, and as a population, Jews in New York are very politically active and they vote.
twolf,
Dunno about Castro, but Weekend Update just announced that Francisco Franco is still dead…
BC
Sadie I’m seconding what immanentize said: Welcome to the Lake!
Imm -
Of that percent I’d bet a good portion do not agree with Hillary’s hawkish positions. I’m just wondering if, as you say, “spin” is not a big part of her posturing. It seems cracked to me. It’s anecdotal, of course, but I have a lot of friends in NY, Jewish, who do not like Hillary one bit.
Jenny from the Blog @ 128
Uh. “Run Ronnie Run.”
shooogarp @ 155
Uh. “Run Ronnie Run.”
I think The Teletubbies is closer to Dubya’s developmental level.
BC
FWIW, the current Dolphin football coach, Nick Saban, declined to meet with Bush that night. That got as much attention as when Jessica Simpson turned down an invitation to the WH.
LHP – me too, on the ‘loading slowly’. Was making a comment and the whole thing froze. Fortunatley I did not panic like last time and I went and finished the border on a quilt I am working on.
Came back and it is working better, but still loading slowly. Would not surprise me at all if others were loading FDL with ‘requests’ or something to make it slow. Remember Rove is probably now running Joey’s campaign and dirty tricks is what pays his bills.
I’d contribute to this movie discussion but I don’t have children and haven’t seen one darned film that would appeal to W’s mental age group.
Damn, Billmon pissed me off just now. He’s such a brilliant writer, and every so often he has to go and put that talent in service to “it’s all hopeless.” Grrr…
Rayne @ 2:24 pm (#148) – Collapse is a cautionary tale. It shows that it’s possible for a society to survive the shortage of something important or other forms of disaster if the society is willing to recognize them and take appropriate steps. At the moment, we seem to be in serious denial as a nation.
Can’t make it to Connecticut?
Lieberman isn’t the only war hawk with a challenger . . . Jonathan Tasini is on the ballot in New York thanks to grass roots support. My wife’s aunt volunteered her apartment in the early days for organizing activities and now Tasini supporters have submitted 40,000 signatures (only 15,000 required!) to get an anti-war, progressive challenger on the ballot.
Please check him out:
http://www.tasinifornewyork.org or donate through ActBlue!
Somedays I think Cheney knows the ride is almost over for him and his friends and are busy finishing off the rest of democracy while there still is time. Polls numbers mean nothing to them at this point, let alone the world’s opinion.
Nope — they have an agenda, but are having to rush the last bit in time for the elections. And having war with Syria and Iran is on the agenda.
Is there a movie version of My Pet Goat?
darkblack is brilliant.
Where’s HoJo? Lecturing to voters that they should support the obscene and not be heard. ;)
Gary Reilly:
Well, speak of the devil! Thanks for this information.
OfT “He may not be an Islamunist, but he’s still brown”
WARNING, for those unfamiliar with Jesus’ General, aka “patriotboy,” this is 100 proof political satire. On at least two occasions FDL has been fortunate enough to have “the General” as a guest poster.
“Michelle Malkin
Our Lady of the Concentration Camps
Dear Mrs. Malkin,
As much as I enjoyed the “murderous Muslim” angle you employed in your coverage of Friday’s shootings at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle, I’m a bit worried that’ll it will backfire once the public learns that the shooter is actually a fundamentalist Christian. After all, your whole argument is based on the idea that he attacked the center because Islam is an inherently violent religion. Now that he’s been identified as a Christian, it’d be easy for some truly evil bastard like Glenn Greenwald* to turn that argument around and use it against us….”
I couldn’t help myself but I took a quick survey of all the very well written columns
and see that they average 125 to 150 comments.
But one article on Ann Coulter got 550 comments
Now for Jenny who feels helpless,see if there is some way we can bring Ann Coulter into each blog, that is before she is committed!
Word has it they’re spending six million dollars on fixing up Castro.
(raises eyebrow)
Mommybrain @ 80 (and anybody else who answered the same Q but I haven’t read yet) –
Thanks. I hadn’t seen that handle here either, but the guy who used to blog under it would be right at home among us, so I just thought I’d ask. It came back to me in one of those odd brain-flashes after a couple of years, is all. Oh well.
Welcome, Sadie Sue!
And a big thanks to Jamie for helping keep this wonderful FDL vessel afloat during all the changes.
fran 166:
rhetorical but… ????
Have a great day, everyone.
bill @ 170
Are they turning him into Lee Majors?
A Peace(ful) man speaks;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00923.html
Fran, just fyi. I have a particular fetish about never commenting on Ann Coulter. I have never commented on Ann Coulter. Never. She’s of zero interest to me. Later.
The Lieberman campaign position on Iraq:
Knock-Knock.
Who’s there?
Joe Lieberman.
Joe Lieberman who?
Joe Lieberman marched for civil rights, so, see, he’s a major Democrat and he ought to be reelected.
—
What does that have to do with Iraq? Exactly.
John Casper, I love to quote The General to winger people I know.
Just trying to bring a little sunshine into everyone’s day, you know me…;)
Are they turning him into Lee Majors?
Hard to say, but he might be stronger, faster and better than he was before.
The new Castro
http://images.google.com/imgre…..f&sa=G
GREAT CATCH MOEMAN at 2:52
I took the liberty of commenting the first graph.
“Stop the Band-Aid Treatment
We Need Policies for a Real, Lasting Middle East Peace
By Jimmy Carter
Tuesday, August 1, 2006; Page A17
The Middle East is a tinderbox, with some key players on all sides waiting for every opportunity to destroy their enemies with bullets, bombs and missiles. One of the special vulnerabilities of Israel, and a repetitive cause of violence, is the holding of prisoners. Militant Palestinians and Lebanese know that a captured Israeli soldier or civilian is either a cause of conflict or a valuable bargaining chip for prisoner exchange. This assumption is based on a number of such trades, including 1,150 Arabs, mostly Palestinians, for three Israeli soldiers in 1985; 123 Lebanese for the remains of two Israeli soldiers in 1996; and 433 Palestinians and others for an Israeli businessman and the bodies of three soldiers in 2004….”
And Fran, if I felt helpless I wouldn’t be spending time here at this most energetic and proactive blog.
Mommybrain, I ran to the sto’, is all. NefLes & Shez, thanks also to y’all for the song (WOWIE!) and the tip! Anybody else who’s thrown in CNC info, I’m still headed your way, so thanks to follow . . .
For those intrested in Tasini, I can post info re: his feild effort AFTER the Conn. primary.
The NYS primary is not until September and i refuse to post any bright shiney objects to distract until after August 8th
Go Ned
new thread: THE GREAT DIVORCE
epu territory
From belowthread – Mommybrain I sent you an email. After I sent it, I thought that the subject line sounded odd, so I hope it gets through spam filters.
lhp – thank you – it only partly bums me out, bc my suspicions were already taking me down that path. BTW – for littlemit, I’m sure you already know this but fever tends to deactive appetite in many critters. So I am hoping the antibiotic effect starts to really kick in for you by tonight and you all start having an eating and brighter eyed pup and littleprop too.
SWOPA – btw, has a very funny bit about her centcom friends. I think she should send them the myspace link to the NSA with the one guy who has signed on as a friend. *g*
The Specter thing has me bummed. The more I look at it all – the more of a mess the whole thing. And I think we are getting some very bad State Sec rulings as well. Tack on the other legislation Bush wants on GITMO and on detaining and militarizing trials of Americans, “adding on” in GITMO, etc. — what a mess mess mess. Moronic malfeasance.
Oh for you New Yorkers out there. Big rumor running rampant downstate that Tom Suozzi has schedule a “special anouncement” press conference for 11 Am tomorrow in Glen Cove.
He announced his run for Govenor from GC, so right now the speculation is running wild.
Sadly I willbe in a deposition at 11 Am tomorrow, so all of you will know what hapened before I do.
Damn. I am dying of curiosity.
Mary,
The Spectre (mispelling intentional for once) thing is the worst of the lot.
If you want to be depressed, that’s the reason.
It’s the end of the constitution –point blank
North Dallas Snorty
or
Debile does Dallas
Heard on Air America newsbreak today, our prez is having his annual physical. There was a little pause & woman giving the news said, “Maybe they will finally find out what’s wrong with him.” lol
liefe’s a beach on Shyster Island, Joe
loosehead
Great point and duly noted; you’ll hear more from me August 9th.
Go Ned!!!
Jenny @60 “I often wonder which country might emerge as a real force for peace?”
Interesting question. The EU perhaps. I understand a strong desire which led to the formation of the EU was to live without war. I’d read sometime ago that anti-semitism in Europe was growing and in France, Muslims are marginalized. I hope the EU will overcome its own obstacles to being a force for peace.
As to the spate of Independents reportedly changing to registered Democrats….I would not be at all surprised if some part of the voter ID campaign isn’t making calls, using some sort of polling to figure out which Dem candidate the Independent voter supports, and then if it is the right one, instructing them how to change registeration. It could be either Lamont, Lieberman or in fact both.
We need to remember that Weicker supports Lamont, and I would not be surprised if he doesn’t have some voter files of his independent supporters, and he may be contributing an independent effort to shift these registerations — in support of Lamont.
In fact, any campaign not persuing this sort of GOTV strategy given CT’s rules, would be deliquent campaign management. Has anyone on the ground in CT heard about such an effort to call and convert registerations of Indyies? I certainly can see Lieberman using his money to hire out of state phone banks for this.