
In what may the world's most pathetic attempt at a last minute campaign smear that just reeks of desperation and smarm, Joe Lieberman has sent supporters out to put flyers on the windshields of churchgoers...calling Ned Lamont a racist. (See, also, here.)
Um, hello...Lieberman campaign?!? The people of Connecticut are not rubes. And black people are not rubes either:
In a speech on the Senate floor in 1995, Mr. Lieberman said: "Affirmative action is dividing us in ways its creators could never have intended because most Americans who do support equal opportunity and are not biased don't think it is fair to discriminate against some Americans as a way to make up for historic discrimination against other Americans...."
You were probably hoping, Senator Lieberman, that folks had forgotten about that quote from you on the floor of the United States Senate. Nope. But is affirmative action the only issue for black voters? Hell, no!
Here's a tip: African-American voters worry about the same stuff the rest of us do because..and keep this hush hush, because clearly it is mysterious in some quarters...they are people just like the rest of us who pay bills, want their kids to get good educations, worry about their friends and relatives fighting in the FUBAR mess that is Iraq, wonder why your BFF George Bush won't own up to any mistakes -- and whether you, Joe Lieberman, have been taking lessons from him on that score...and they do not like being taken for granted until just before election day.
Have you seen the ad that the Lamont campaign put out with Ned's students from one of the urban high schools in Bridgeport -- full of kids of all colors -- who love Ned Lamont for what he teaches them and because he treats them, ALL of them, with the dignity and respect they deserve? I'm sure you have seen it, but just in case, let me make it easy for you:
Do those kids and Mr. Lamont look like there is disrespect among them? I dunno about you, Joe, but Ned Lamont looks like a decent guy who loves his job and really loves the kids he taught. And those kids sure as hell look like they love him right back. It's called mutual respect. And it's a much more positive way to campaign than using crap out of the Lee Attwater and Karl Rove "ends justifies the means" playbook.
Ned Lamont not only talked the talk, he walked it, day in and day out -- teaching as a volunteer teacher in an urban school where they had difficulty filling teaching positions. THAT is the definition of a stand up guy. And his commitment to a better education for ALL of Connecticut's kids? Solid.
Your attempted smear job? Not factual, completely smarmy, and as despicable as it is disgusting. Sinking to a new low right before the vote? Pathetic and desperate, and beneath you and your publicly proclaimed high moral standards. (Who'd you hire as a political consultant to roll out this dreck? You ought to be ashamed.)
Have you contemplated why it is, Sen. Lieberman, that real people in real neighborhoods who deal with real problems every day, don't flock to you in droves these days? Try watching this. Real leaders actually lead, they don't stand in front of people, wagging a finger and lecturing them on their lack of morals, all the while stabbing their own party in the back...over and over again. Loyalty is a virtue as well and, sadly, Democrats in Connecticut are finding yours lacking.
Let's talk about morals for a moment -- and being there for your constituents when they need you:
Ned agreed to come to Waterbury on Memorial Day and to place a wreath in memory of our local soldiers and sailors. I also planned to place a wreath that day in memory of my good buddy Dave.When the wreaths were delivered, I was standing in the cemetery with Ned and I saw the wreath with Dave’s name on it and I lost it. Tears for Dave’s senseless death in a war fought for nothing suddenly appeared. Then it all came back - that hot humid day north of Sai Gon that was the end of my best friend’s life.
Ned was so good - he comforted me and together we made it thru the ceremony. Trust me, Ned Lamont is not just some candidate out for himself. Ned’s compassion was outstanding that day in the cemetery as I fought back the tears that have been stored so long - ever since November 22, 1968.
My parents always taught me to watch what people say and do, but to pay attention to what people do when they think no one is watching them. The fact that you, Sen. Lieberman, couldn't even be bothered to send this man a note saying you couldn't make it to the Memorial Day services every single year that you have been invited -- but only show up this year, unannounced, when you are in a tight primary race -- speaks volumes to me. And to lots of other folks as well, I'm sure.
No one likes a preachy busybody who doesn't follow his own advice. Not the NYTimes yesterday. Not an op-ed in the Chicago Sun-Times today.
When Play-It-Again-Sam crooned, "A kiss is just a kiss ..." in that smoky Moroccan saloon so long ago, the celluloid, star-crossed lovers played by Bogie and Bergman knew better. As time goes by, so does Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman. The big smooch that President Bush appeared to lay on Lieberman after last year's State of the Union speech has become so much more than a kiss. It may indeed be the smack of political death for the longtime senator from Connecticut....Bush appeared to dole out the infamous peck on the floor of Congress after the 2005 State of the Union speech. Lamont and other Lieberman critics opine that it was a sign that the Democrat had sold out to conservative Republicans on the wrong side of the most important political divide of a generation -- the Iraq war. Lieberman denies that he was the beneficiary of a kiss -- it was just a hug, he says. (Maybe it was only their first date. After all, Lieberman is a notorious prude).
Still, there's no doubt that Bush's affection for his once-bitter opponent is rooted in Lieberman's early and abiding support for the war. Strange bedfellows indeed, considering that the senator was half of the Democratic presidential ticket in the bitter (perhaps swindled) loss to Bush/Cheney in 2000.
Lieberman's war stance has put the 18-year veteran senator in the unlikely predicament of being perched on the cusp of losing his seat to a no-name opponent. Things are looking so bad that he has vowed to mount an independent bid in November if he loses to Lamont.
Doesn't that sound oh-so-statesmanlike? Maybe Lieberman can join Ralph Nader in the pantheon of Independent Party Heroes.
Oh yeah, feel the love.
You want to talk about issues that folks in black neighborhoods...and hispanic neighborhoods...and white neighborhoods...and Asian neighborhoods...and mocha neighborhoods...and everything in between, all mixed together in this jumble we call America are talking about? Paying their ever-rising energy bills. (But you voted for President Bush's energy package.) The war in Iraq. (But you led off the debate for the Republicans last time it was up for discussion in the Senate, and lectured Democrats to keep their mouths shut and opinions to themselves just last year, didn't you?) And so it goes...on and on and on.
Here's your mistake: voters are no longer sitting around with blinders on, and none of us will tolerate being called unpatriotic any longer. Not by you or anyone else. What we want is honesty and results and someone who will care about the things that WE think are important.
What we don't want? A concern troll who uses Rove tactics and machinations with a win-at-all-costs mentality and an ego the size of Hartford. And we certainly don't want one who cannot look his own mistakes square in the face and realize that he can do better -- your BFF in the White House, George Bush, is already the King of that Domain, and we don't need you trailing along in his deliberate oblivion wake any longer.
Men and women, mothers and fathers, kids barely out of high school, are dying, every day, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and losing limbs and sustaining injuries, both physical and mental...and you, Joe Lieberman, are worried that a Democrat would dare to challenge you in a lawful primary. Get your priorities straight!
Feel the Joe-Nertia.
PS -- Here's a piece of advice, free of charge. If your campaign cronies are going to pass out a flyer in a Democratic primary -- even one as asinine as falsely trying to smear a decent guy like Ned Lamont with the racist label (Is Rove taking your urgent campaign phone calls these days?) -- you should make sure it gets printed up in a union shop. Especially when Little Jimmy Olson's union has endorsed you. (Even if Jimmy Olson was too much of a moron to realize that you clearly could give a rat's ass about the actual union members and honoring their work and their leadership on workers' rights. Or maybe he did...and all those union members were played for suckers getting stuck with Joey Short Ride as their endorsed candidate.) Because this flyer thing is the second time in a week you've given union members the back of your hand. Where I come from, those union members would be giving you a choice finger right back...on primary day and beyond.
PPS -- Why is it that only Democrats raise your hardball campaigning style, but Dick Cheney gets handshakes and niceness and George Bush gets a smooch? I'm just asking...because I'll bet that Al Gore's family would love to give you a piece of their mind right about now.
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Here’s some perspective on the race from Mark Schmitt-
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/co.....liberalism
Leiberman’s tactics are beyond the pale. (Pun intended.)
Sharpton should help put a quick end to LIE-berman’s hi-jinx.
Just when you thought Joe couldn’t get any more reprehensible. He does.
So well done Christy!!! Excellent post!
I think Ned should snag one of those fliers and do what no Democrat ever did when Rove tried this crap: Hold it up on TV and ask Lieberputz to either apologize for it or try to defend it. Come out fighting. Do what they don’t expect and slap him in the face with his own trash. Show the entire flier in a youtube or in a TV spot and nail Joe’s sorry ass to the wall for this pathetic crap. It’s slimy, it’s low class, and most importantly…it’s REPUBLICAN.
Leiberman used to be sort of a Jekyll and Hyde character, showing one side of his personality to the Dems and the other to the Repugs. But now he’s drunk too much of the potion. He’s just one thoroughly disgusting excuse for a human being to both sides, all the time.
Leiberman: the anti-mensch.
I just don’t understand why Josh Marshall keeps telling everybody how much he likes old Joe. What’s to like?
Zergle: that’s an excellent suggestion. But he should do it on the evening news, with Sharpton standing right next to him.
Mission Editorial: small detail in the post, dispicable sh be despicable. Please destruct this message after reading…
Joe’s too scared to go on Al Franken’s show, but Ned will be on later today
Bravo Christy ~ *so* well said as always.
Bottom line here? Ned Lamont is the real deal.
This system, and the people like Liberman who are so thoroughly ingrained in it, don’t know how to handle Ned Lamont. All they can do is revert back to the old tactics of smear and illusion and backpeddling as far from truth and honesty as possible ~ smoke and mirrors for the “sheep” don’t you know.
Problem is? The “sheep” are waking up and smelling the coffee…there’s a paradigm shift taking place here. Through people like Ned Lamont - and people like those here at FDL who so obviously care and don’t WANT to be sheep - this country might…just might…have a chance to wake up from this nightmare.
word to Josh Marshall -
Adversity does not build character, it reveals it
years ago in October I went to the main Black political hangout tavern to meet up with a friend — from the back of the bar somebody called out : “Here come the white folks, it must be election time again!”
Lesson learned.
…and Maxine Waters.
I want to see them just shove it in Joe’s face. That’s why this crap usually works. The people that are willing to believe this stuff (just a few) hear the silence and think it might be true. Yes, I agree, it’s stooping to a low level, but sometimes when they throw you a spitter in the dirt nothing will smack that cheating pitcher faster than digging it out and sending it out of the park. They’ll think twice before throwing that pitch again. Especially when the scouts from all of the other teams get on the horn to their teams to let them know how to beat the pitch as you are still trotting around the bases.
(And that fills my yearly quota of baseball analogies.)
hear, hear CHRISTY!
your fabulous post made my night here in steamy yamato!
fitz and nedrootz, and lordy be!
we are all on the interNed toobz!
WOO HOO !
WOW, Christy, nice smackdown!
I can only guess that there was a particularly good pot of coffee this AM
Gang, this isn’t about Josh Marshall. We can all have differing opinions — it’s called democracy for a reason. Let’s stick to the candidates, please, and the issues and the facts and stuff, not the personalities calling the game. (She says sweetly, but firmly, in a big ole’ hint…)
lhp at 15 — This pissed me off. Could you tell? *g*
August 8, 2006:
“Goodbye, Rube-y Tuesday
Who could hang a war on you?
When you change with every new day
Still Im gonna miss you…(not!)”
I love it when Christy’s hair is on fire.
Have people seen Matt Stoller’s rundown of Lieberman’s history? It really is amazing to realize what a reactionary panderer Lieberman has always been.
And then there’s what Atrios hilighted over the weekend, where Lieberman has flip-flopped on the Vietnam War. Back then he protested against it, now he says we lost it because of people opposing something they don’t understand.
Ned coming up on Al Franken now.
Tom Ricks to follow.
Ned is on AL Franken RIGHT NOW !
http://www.airamerica.com/listen
yeah Christy
I could tell
You go girl
Zergle @
4
That’s exactly what he should do, and do it today. Too late for the local CT noon news, but the evening news might be interested. It’s a local story in every market where the fliers were distributed.
I love it when Christy’s hair is on fire.
It ain’t just Lady Clairol !
Zergle: Ned could do it tonight on Colbert.
Jane, maybe you could make a little suggestion before the taping this afternoon…?
A real barn burner that one ,Christy.Fired up today.Joe HAS to be getting desperate,slimeball manuevers like that flyer are down low.Avoiding the press and the Karl Rove book of dirty tricks, thats all he has.Pitiful.
GO NED!
There’s a hot spot in hell for Joementum.
puppethead @ 20
In Lieberman’s defense, when he was first elected Conn. was a much more conservative place than it is now. I think his platform probably did reflect the views of his constiuents back then.
But the state has evolved, even the republicans in the state are more liberal than they once were and Joe has not evolved along with them.
In an ideal representative democracy the voters select someone who’s platform most closely resembles their own views and send s taht person off to the capital to vote for legistlation in conformity with those shared views.
When the views of the representaive no longer reflect the views of the electorate, they choose a new representative more in sympathy with their postion.
it is good to have ideals.
Franken asked Joe to come on, and asked him why he went after Dems who disagreed with Bush about the war. Joe agreed to come on the show but every time Al calls Joe’s people about it, he never hears back.
Asked Joe if we should have a Truman Commission, and Joe agreed we should have one, but hasn’t done anything about it. No leadership.
What would Ned do? Would have supported resolution to have troops home in a year.
Anyone get a scan of said flyer?
JoeDemonium ?
ideal democracies, that is
Thanks to newly acquired DSL, am able to finally listen to “streams” ~ listening to Lamont and Franken is refreshing; Franken asks a question - Ned is actually ANSWERING the question.
What’s up with that??!!!
Daggone you, Christy. I almost twisted an ankle running for my wallet. Ned gets a few more bucks. I’m a continent away from CT, but never let it be said I didn’t try.
Honey, you’ve got the Spirit in you.
still would like to see this flyer - I really don’t get how telling everyone Ned left a club b/c it was too white could help RGJoe -
but then again, this first kitty does a spot on impression of the Liebushman campaign moves to date
http://www.thepoorman.net/2006.....cat-videos
Ned is shredding Joementum into ribbons. Franken’s impressed.
Not good for us to be in the middle of a civil war. Not helping the Iraqis get their act together.
Other areas where Ned disagrees - Dick Cheney’s energy bill, and Joe’s support for it.
Admits Joe has been pretty good on the environment in the past, but the energy bill kind of flew in the face of environmental issues.
Joe wants to be seen as trying to help Pres. find middle ground, but President way off “middle ground” to begin with and Joe helping that.
It’s even more desperate than it looks at first glance–
“The back was about Ned Lamont cancelling his membership in the expensive Round Hill Country Club in Greenwich, including a quote from the New York times in which Ned acknowledged that most of the members of the club were white. The contrast was obviously implying that Ned Lamont is a rich racist.”
Lemme get this straight– he quit a mostly whites-only country club, and he’s a racist? Against what, mostly white people? It looks like Lieberman’s campaign saw “Lamont”, “white” and “country club”, and went for it without stopping to see what it meant.
Phil K @ 6
Lieberman has a reputation as “the nicest man in the Senate.” I take this to mean that he’s really pleasant as long as you’re someone worthy of his notice, and not one of “the little people” or someone who’s unpleasant enough to mention a disagreement. I’m betting that Josh either met or communicated with him under those kind of circumstances.
But as with the infamous Bush “who would you want to have a beer with,” it’s completely irrelevant to whether their politics are worthy or not.
Army of LieberYouth to Invade CT
Incredibly lame. If I had a under-age voter knocking on my door, you can be sure I’d never take their candidate seriously.
looseheadprop @
15
Agreed. I’d even go one further. A screed that HST would be proud of.
You can listen to Ned here on AirAmerica streaming online:
http://www.airamerica.com/
Redshift @ 40
Redshift
i met the man. An it was at a high donor dinner, so he should have been in sucking p mode. He has the personality of smog. I jst don’t get this “nicest man” stuff. I don’t.
I’m recording Ned on AAR right now, and will have an MP3 online shortly afterward.
Why on earth would you want people canvassing who aren’t even old enough to vote???
Anyone see this quote from Joe in yesterday’s Courant article:
On Friday, he attributed the salvation of the Groton submarine base to a “bond” formed years ago with Tony Principi, chairman of the Base Realignment and Closure Commission.
“How did I turn around the base closure? I had a relationship with Tony Principi that went back to when he was secretary of veterans’ affairs,” Lieberman said.
“My first conversation with him, he said, `I trust you. I respect you. You are a stand-up guy. I know you are a Democrat. I’m a Republican. If you think something’s wrong that your party is doing, you are going to say what you think is right.’ And that created a bond which I think helped to convince him to keep the base open.”
Message to voters: if it wasn’t for me hammering my own party all the time, you’d all be out of work. Seems like the logical conclusion of that argument is to just vote republican.
cbl 10:17:
still would like to see this flyer - I really don’t get how telling everyone Ned left a club b/c it was too white could help RGJoe
It’s trying to imply that he quit the club only because it would be embarassing for the campaign, and insinuate that it was a whites-only club, without actually saying it, because it’s not true.
So basically it’s trying to paint him as a racist to supress turnout among black voters, and suggest that he’s some kind of phony (oh, and remind voters — did you know he’s rich?)
Agitprop presents the Daily Lieberman 2 Minute Hate.
Who/what is HST?
Harry Truman?
I’ve really enjoyed listening to Ned Lamont on shows like The Majority Report but it has been more like preaching to the choir during those appearances.
But listening to Ned on shows like Ed Schultz and Al Franken’s is even better. You can hear him winning these guys over just by having a conversation with them. It’s really good.
Ned sounds great>
lhp,
Hunter S Thompson
CONDI- The midwife from hell
These recent shameless and cruel comments expose Rice and the delusional gang that is running this country. “The Birth Pangs of new Middle East” that Condi is creating can be seen in the cries and desperation of poor, dispossesed, hungry and scorched children in Lebanon. I wonder how this gang sleeps at night after causing such destruction and pain in this world. May be they are more like that Texas Chain gang who take pleasure in death destruction.
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Apparently Joe Lieberman has a base and it’s
random gullible churchgoers with cars…
who woulda’ guessed?
Keep up that pathetic excuse for swiftboating wedge politics Joe, and Karl Rove will be sure to disown you.
You sir, are a sad little man.
it’s always better having a one-eyed, one-horned flyin’ purple people eater doing canvassing than nobody doing canvassing for your campaign …
DeborahL at 35 — Thanks. My roommate my first two years in college was a VERY outspoken black woman from Jamaica, Queens, NY. And she used to get this condescending malarky from people all the time where they’d only want to talk to her about some sort of odd, “approved” list of black people topics. And it always pissed her off beyond belief. (And me, too, on her behalf. Morons.) Watching a friend deal with all sorts of idiocy is a very good lesson in how not to treat people and, frankly, I never really thought of her as my black roommate — she was my roommate and my friend, who happened to be black. I think we are all much better off if we can get to that point.
But this flyer was so monumentally idiotic and condescending — as if “black folks” can’t see right through this tactic, because they’ve NEVER had to deal with it before (*cough* Willy Horton *cough*) — it really pissed me off this morning.
looseheadprop at 10:24:
Bizarre. Okay, let me revise my guess, and narrow down the group for whom he’s “nice” to other senators and high-profile journalists. So everyone inside the bubble thinks he’s really nice, and everyone outside is puzzled about that because he’s a self-important jerk.
Miz Condi don’t know nothin’ ’bout birthin’ the Middle East!
Anne @ 46
Anne, that is the norm. Kids have more physical stamina for one thing and cantake the heat better and are jsut like energizer bunnies.
They tend to just do the door to door, lit drop, whatever and not get bogged down talking to the folks, so more territory gets covered.
people are less intimidated by well dressed kid coming to their door than they are adault (think girls scout cookies vs. religious prosletizers–who do you answer the door for?)
Redshift,
thanks. I get it was all about insinuation - but coming on the heels of the week end with Maxine and Sharpton this week - that is really some weak ass shit - I can smell the Joesperation from Texas
David at 59 — that should have come with a spew warning. (And reading your comment in a Butterfly McQueen voice? Priceless.)
…wiping coffee off jeans…
Love your rant Redd, it’s spot on! Best words of the whole thing: “a decent guy like Ned Lamont”.
Holding that despicable flyer up sounds like Lamont’s 2nd Video Blog to me.
Excellent post, Christy. You’re right on target in arguing that people of color would prefer to be treated like “intelligent Americans” rather than “the colored vote” (though obviously we still have a long way to go).
As I’ve commented in previous threads, we minorities have sensitive antennae when it comes to racial power politics. We can smell cynical opportunists from a mile away (as *ilson’s anecdote @ 12 illustrates), and trust me, it’s a very familiar stench. Frankly, you really don’t have to worry about black folks or other people of color being fooled by Lieberman’s ridicuous flyer, which is probably aimed more at white liberals anyway.
I don’t agree with commenters who suggest that Lamont needs to stand next to Sharpton or Waters in order to challenge Lieberman’s flyer on TV; that kind of overly blatant use of skin color comes dangerously close to tokenizing. I’d be more impressed to see Ned stand alone, confident in his own sense of humanity and the substance of what he’s saying.
Peace.
Well, if one is finally reduced to name-calling, might as well do it right: Nomentum is a prig, a prick, a prude, a panderer and a petty libeler.
Someone over the weekend was musing about the 2000 VP debate, and how Lieberman didn’t even try to lay a glove on Cheney, but they couldn’t seem to pin down why, except to suggest that Lieberman was a bit too bipartisan.
The answer is simple: they’re friends. Eleven years ago, Lieberman was quite happy to join forces with Lynne Cheney in a joint venture (the American Council of Trustees and Alumni) to blacklist college professors who were either insufficiently patriotic, in their eyes, or who questioned the actions of the government of Israel.
That told me all I needed to know about Holy Joe’s authoritarian streak. He likes these dangerous people–and he wants them to like him.
Wow. Ned’s last comment was really the money shot:
I still can’t stand listening to Franken though. The stammering is so annoying. I pity Minnesotans if he runs in ‘08.
Redshift, no, I don’t think so.
In this instance, I think “nice” is code for pushover, gutless wonder, prison bitch, doormat,
well, you get the drift
Hey, if somebody let me steamroll right over them time and again and kept smiling about, maybe I would feel compelled to describe that person as nice
E-mail WTNH and the other local TV media and ask them to cover the flyer.
flyer link anyone? scanned or otherwise?
Crap! I sure am glad you’re getting this, Spazeboy, because I’m NOT and don’t know why!
cbl @ 61
Ha!
LindaR @ 71
We need a De-Joe-derant
tom at 69 — I’m working on getting a link. I’ve only gotten confirmation through people on the ground in CT thus far…but I’ll link it up when I get one.
NedFriends such as the CarpetBloggers need to spread the Lieberman/LynneCheney censorship meme far and wide — I gather young folk despise that santimonious effort by ‘Holy Joe’.
By the using the Internet, the LieberYouth will encounter the LieberCensorship story and maybe slack in enthusiasm for their paid work?
looseheadprop #60,
I wonder if this approach to GOTV doesn’t work very well. GOP operations don’t work that way, they’ve taken a data mining approach to targeting their voters. This is a favorite topic of Kos, and I did door-knocking for Kerry and it really didn’t feel very effective. The occasional scorn from republican voters sucked, and many of them were incredulous that we were doing such a pointless thing (you could see it in their eyes).
If Lieberman’s relying on this old, not-so-effective approach he may find himself disappointed. Ned’s been connecting with people during the campaign, which will turn out people (especially in a primary!) much better than blanket lit drops.
ya beat me to it *ilson ! that Lynn Cheney ‘patnership’ needs to be in the hands of the Lamont campaign
good one Montag !
My brief take on the idiotic scattershot negative campaigning by Joe — remember that negative campaigning can work. It suppresses turnout on both sides, and to the extent that it works, it suppresses it more for your opponent. Lamont’s supporters are clearly more motivated, which would explain the appeal of negative campaigning for Joe’s campaign (possibly the only correct decision they’ve made on purely practical terms.) And even if this tactic fails, the number of people outraged by it is probably not large enough for a significant backlash.
Of course, that’s only considering it on a soulless, win-at-all-costs level. It requires abandoning the good Democratic principle that elections are about hearing the will of the voters more than about winning, not to mention its explicit resemblance to the scummiest of Republican suppress-the-black-vote tactics. Honestly, it’s nasty enough that if I didn’t know Republicans are rooting for Joe, I’d take it for a GOP dirty trick.
Just spoke to someone at the CT AFL-CIO who claims he has no proof that “The Hug” buttons sans union bug exist. In fact, he acted like he hadn’t heard anything about them, which I sincerely doubt. Perhaps someone on the ground there could deliver one to their offices?…
door-to-door, face-to-face campaigning is never ineffective. It’s very time-consuming and expensive for ‘paying campaigns’ like Liebermans. For poor campaigns with lots of enthusiasm from people, canvassing still works !
He’ll be crumblin’ like a
mountain when Ned wins
He’ll be mumblin’ and a-poutin’ when Ned wins
You can feel the Joesperation
He’s disaster for the nation
He’ll be crumblin’ like a mountain when Ned wins
*ilson46201 @ 79
canvas, or plastic?
Found this quote this morning… [can’t find the link–sorry!]
–’Although Democrats will likely hold the Senate seat whether he wins or not, party figures worry about the political fallout.
“A Lieberman loss is very bad for Democrats; it says we are one dimension on Iraq,” says Peter Hart, a top Democratic polltaker. “Politically, Iraq should be a debate about the Bush administration. A Lieberman defeat detracts from that.”>>
Do you ever wonder what planet Dem consultants and pollsters live on? I mean, did you ever see a party establishment fighting so hard to keep votera from choosing who represents them?
Seriously, there must be something in the water in DC, They’re ALL insane.
shoephone @ 80: six white horses?
puppethead @ 75
I COULD NOT POSSIBLY AGREE WITH YOU MORE.
The reps. use old the fashioned “block captains” approach. Actuall people who actually know their neighbors, turn out the vote.
For reasons I will never understand, dem “consultants” (I am shuddering and making the symbol to ward off hexes–get the garlic wreath!!!) think it is the sign of an _”unprofessional campaign” to have an all/mostly volunteer army
Don’t get me wrong, I know you need paid organizers because campaign organizing is a full time job and folks gotta eat. but the rst of the GOTV infrastructure is not there in the dem party.
That’s why I am such a full and active supporter of Gov. Dean’s 50 state strategy. he is building at the local and state level today, for rewards in productivity that we will reap for at least a full generation.
That is also why I am such a fan of the net roots.
**Off-Topic**
As promised, Ned Lamont on the Al Franken Show available for download.
LHP -
I think it was cbl got HST = Hunter S. Thompson
No higher compliment from this precinct.
Jozo = ‘nice guy’ vs. your meet?
“Jozo is the kindest, gentlest…” Well, you get the idea. (I only remove the irony for our esteemed Mr. *ilson.)
Got to AAR in time for new guest so looking forward to our multimedia genius to kick the MP3 out. No pressure, Spazeboy. Just the future of the republic, etc. (joke: From Bradlee to Woodstein in ATPM)
Spazeboy,
it’s not o/t. and oh, btw, nice feet
OT:FYI
9/11 Truth Movement C-Span Telecast
You know,
if the Bush kissing Lieberman meme gets nationwide attention, and,
Lieberman loses big time,
what might that do for Republican candidates looking to the White House for campaign help?
cbl
It felt OT to me because the thread isn’t specifically about Franken…but I suppose any comment from spazeboy is somewhat on-topic here. :)
Drindl @10:44
How exactly does voting out the person in lockstep with the Bush administration position detract from the debate about the Bush administration? That makes absolutely no sense. Either the Dem establishment consists of the most politically inept people on the planet, or the Republicans have planted folks inside the Dem establishment to sabotage their efforts…that’s all I can figure.
Does anyone know — does Conn have electronic voting machines?
If they do, Lieberman wins the primary, no sweat.
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looseheadprop @ 84
Yes, and the Lamont campaign has aptly demonstrated the sense and effectiveness of Dean’s strategy. Which is why the Dem mainstay hacks are freaked. No one likes to learn that they are wrong, but to have been so wrong and so ineffective on a mass scale must be terible.
(Reminds me of that scene in the Princess Bride when Buttercup tells Humperdink in no uncertain terms who and what he is and his only response is a blinding rage.)
Josh Marshall is coming ’round the mountain on Lieberman:
and this:
Spazeboy!
lhp - I see your point, but I don’t think one has to reach down to the 16 and 17 yr olds, when 18 yr olds are just as full of stamina and energy, and they are also old enough to vote.
Seems like someone who wants to have an argument on which candidate has more credibility on racial issues would have a more diverse group of campaign workers, and would, instead of papering communities with flyers, have been more of an actual presence in all areas of the State throughout his many years in the Senate.
What I get from all of this is that Joe has been pretty much AWOL. He’s been assuming that he could continue his reign as Senator, without actually having to answer to Connecticut voters, and without representing their interests. He’s realizing - too late, I think - what happens when you don’t bother to check in with your constituents.
I find it ironic that the guy who wants to be thought of as such a force for cooperation and common ground will instead likely be remembered as the guy (one of them anyway - there are others) who sold out his party, and enabled the most divisive and destructive president in recent history to advance a dangerous agenda. His legacy will be not one of a man of principle, but of a man who did his best to serve his ego, and not his country.
Drindl @ 82
“A Lieberman loss is very bad for Democrats; it says we are one dimension on Iraq,” says Peter Hart, a top Democratic polltaker.
Peter Hart has a lot of links to the DLC–they regularly commission him for polls, and he’s earned a lot of money through them.
The fact is that big business has an awful lot of money invested in Lieberman over the years, and if he’s gone, that investment is gone, too.
What seems like insanity is nothing more than protecting an investment. *sigh*
kurt– i think you hit the nail on the head, unfortunately…
‘ the Dem establishment consists of the most politically inept people on the planet’
This question from Christy’s post above is what every Connecticut Democrat should be asking Joe Lieberman:
“Why is it that only Democrats raise your hardball campaigning style, but Dick Cheney gets handshakes and niceness and George Bush gets a smooch?”
I think the answer is that Joe Lieberman, in his heart, feels closer to Republicans than he does to Democrats. They are his people. He is one of them. He wants to get along with them. He wants them to like him.
Join the Republican Party, Joe.
He’ll be whippin’ six white horses when Ned wins
He’ll be puking seven-courses when Ned wins
‘Cause the black folks who got leaflets
Knew old Joe could be defeated
Throw him to Iraqi forces when Ned wins
(okay that last line was a little mean. But that racist-leaflet thing has got me feelin’ more than a little mean.)
cbl @
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Most likely, but Harry S Truman (”Give ‘em hell Harry”) would also work as he once replied “I just tell them the truth and they think it’s hell.” For the pedantics, there is no period after the S, as Truman didn’t have a regular middle name, just the one letter.
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