
The NYTimes is blunt as to why it has changed its prior endorsements for Joe Lieberman to endorsing Ned Lamont in the Connecticut primary, to be held on August 8. And the tinge of sadness at being forced to do this by Lieberman’s own actions and steadfast refusal to own up to his own mistakes is palpable in the NYTimes editorial:
Mr. Lieberman is not just a senator who works well with members of the other party. And there is a reason that while other Democrats supported the war, he has become the only target. In his effort to appear above the partisan fray, he has become one of the Bush administration’s most useful allies as the president tries to turn the war on terror into an excuse for radical changes in how this country operates.
Citing national security, Mr. Bush continually tries to undermine restraints on the executive branch: the system of checks and balances, international accords on the treatment of prisoners, the nation’s longtime principles of justice. His administration has depicted any questions or criticism of his policies as giving aid and comfort to the terrorists. And Mr. Lieberman has helped that effort. He once denounced Democrats who were “more focused on how President Bush took America into the war in Iraq” than on supporting the war’s progress.
At this moment, with a Republican president intent on drastically expanding his powers with the support of the Republican House and Senate, it is critical that the minority party serve as a responsible, but vigorous, watchdog. That does not require shrillness or absolutism. But this is no time for a man with Mr. Lieberman’s ability to command Republicans’ attention to become their enabler, and embrace a role as the president’s defender….
If Mr. Lieberman had once stood up and taken the lead in saying that there were some places a president had no right to take his country even during a time of war, neither he nor this page would be where we are today. But by suggesting that there is no principled space for that kind of opposition, he has forfeited his role as a conscience of his party, and has forfeited our support.
Mr. Lamont, a wealthy businessman from Greenwich, seems smart and moderate, and he showed spine in challenging the senator while other Democrats groused privately. He does not have his opponent’s grasp of policy yet. But this primary is not about Mr. Lieberman’s legislative record. Instead it has become a referendum on his warped version of bipartisanship, in which the never-ending war on terror becomes an excuse for silence and inaction. We endorse Ned Lamont in the Democratic primary for Senate in Connecticut.
If Joe Lieberman needs to blame someone for the current primary race, in which he is fighting for his political survival, he needs to look no further than his reflection in the mirror. Read the whole of the NYTimes editorial — Lieberman comes off as a more distinguished version of a concern troll, with his constant need to prop up the Bush Administration at every turn by scolding anyone in his own party who dares to question or disagree.
What, exactly, does Joe Lieberman think is the job of an opposition party — and a Senator and Deomcratic party, who have a responsibility to uphold the Constitution and the need for accountability and oversight, even during an ongoing time of conflict?
That even Joe Klein is trying to beat some reality into the Lieberman thought process is telling, isn’t it?
You want to see why people in Connecticut – from all walks of life, all sorts of neighborhoods, all over the state — are flocking to Ned Lamont’s campaign? Just watch this slide show of photos from the campaign trial. Ned Lamont cares about all of Connecticut, and he listens when people are speaking to him. It’s not hard, but it requires that you think of yourself as human instead of pontificating from some lofty moral perch.
Had Joe Lieberman bothered to listen, instead of just lecturing, then that Kiss Float wouldn’t be dogging him around the state of Connecticut, to those barely filled meet and greets. No one likes a concern troll, least of all real people who expect their elected representatives to listen to their problems and help them find solutions together.
UPDATE: Here, I’ll be kind and give "Short Ride" Joe an idea of what the NYTimes and all his critics mean: I give you Joe the Concern Troll.
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FITZ!
Perhaps this is a small way for the White Man’s Burden (Sunday NYT) to repent for it’s drumbeat to the Iraq war crime.
Goper’s Lament
did chimpy catch a 7.5 lb. “moral perch” in his pond in crawford?
The NYT seems to “get it.” Now maybe if other congressional Dems can read, they might begin to “get it” too….but I’m not holding my breath.
Never hyperlink before the first cup of coffee
heee Subway — go get that coffee, we’ll wait right here for you. ;-)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01489.html
Not to put a damper on this happy thread…
Teddy Kennedy says “Roberts and Alito Misled Us”.
Can I hear a ‘no shit’ from the congregation?
Suggesting that Joe Klein has some sense of reality may be stretching things a bit.
The main point of the editorial is that Lieberman never stood up ONCE in opposition to any of the Preznit’s numerous assaults on the Constitution or anything.
That’s what’s peculiar about seeing other Democratic Senators show up to help him out. Talk about being bamboozled.
spinoza at 8 — not so much that he has a sense of reality, but that he recognizes that his audience just might. ;-) (Gotta sell those magazines…)
My letter to the New York Times:
I’m trying to get a CT resident (the only one I know) to vote for Ned. Up until a few days ago, she said she was going to, but has changed her mind. Ugh.
Question is, if I need some help from the FDL community, would it be very bad netiquette to post parts of her emails for you all to help me with rebuttals? I’m already assuming this is a no-go, guess I just want confirmation. Would it be ok in private e-mails? I guess I’m suddenly having some boundary perception problems …
Any advice would be appreciated …
Lieberman just seems to look like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. Lamont on the other hand is well rounded.
Per noonan’s request at 7:39
“no shit”
My favorite line {besides “We endorse Ned Lamont…”}:
“It’s true that Mr. Lieberman has fallen in love with his image as the nation’s moral compass. But if pomposity were a disqualification, the Senate would never be able to call a quorum.”
LOL
maru — that line leaped out at me too and fetched an approving smile …
maru at 15 — yeah, that one got a giggle from me as well. hehehehe
Noonan @ 7:39
no shit.
Good for the NYT for endorsing Lamont! This past sucker for Bush propaganda, and otherwise respectable newspaper giant is perhaps (finally) beginning to get on the “straight and narrow”. The road to rehabilitation as it were. Now if we could only see an editorial from the Washington Post in favor of impeachment hearings for this would be dictator, usurper of democracy and treacherous Bush. That would be some thick and oh so sweet icing on the cake.
noonan — thanks for the WaPo link to TK op-ed. He’s laying the groundwork for being even more aggressive — and with, one hopes, less MSM flack — on the next nominations.
Medaka,
I would explain that this is a primary, and that Joegoper is going to run in his underpants, err I mean, as an independent anyway. So she can show any displeasure in the primary and vote as a goper in November…
I’ll give Friedman another six months to prove his bona fides
Anyone have a suggestion about who I should email at the New York Times to thank/compliment for the Lamont endorsement?
I’ve been digesting this piece. Yes, it is no doubt a big score for Lamont, his campaign, and his campaign themes and message.
I found myself in agreement last nite when someone (not sure if it was serious or not, nor am I sure I’m serous or not) pointed out that they expected another ‘hit’ on NYT. I’ve been wondering just such a thing, what w/Coultergeist claiming ‘credit’ for the powder delivered to NYT newsroom/ed offices.
They go on in their endorsement about Constitutional violations, police state conditions, ‘forever war’ etc.
I think they are a bit edgy wrt to all of that, more than Jozo’s egregious stands. It just so happens that his stands are at the nexus. They would decry any other ‘vulneralbe’ incumbent. If they could.
One alternative reading. As Rod Serling would say, “For your consideration.”
jmho.
Go Ned!
John C. at 23: Gail Collins
As I said over at digby’s – thanks, NYT. Please continue packing your bags to go live in Fallujah. Fucks.
Liebushman (who came up with that in last thread? brilliant) as concern troll – that’s really quite perfect, Christy.
guys I just keep thinking of the ‘Iraq Debate’ kabuki in the Senate about a month ago – keeping in mind Conn. JAR #’s and the spectre of Lamont we hear . . .
“Now leading off for the Republicans . . . Senator Joe Lieberman”
either he really is the most politically tone deaf pol in a long ass while, OR someone has assured him of a victory – dear gawd, please let it be the former
Okla-kiddo — that would be amazing. It this up-side-down world, it is astonishing that major news papers/networks and not asking the impeachment question. Now that it clear to more than a majority of Americans that this Administration has blundered, through deceit, into the worst fiasco in living memory, and continues to make things worse in the ME, you’d think the “grownups” among the editorial boards would realize, “this guy needs to go, along with the neocon morons that surround him, before he destroys what’s left of country’s image.” But no, that’s out of bounds.
It’s hard to imagine what a pres would have to do to get impeachment hearings going. It there any limit left? (Please, no jokes about bjs. I get it.)
What is a concern troll?
OT to twolf who asked about how close our golf-course eagles let us get. I answered but got EPU’d, moderated, and every other kind of hornswoggled, so here it is again.
(ducks under desk, covers eyes, waits for FDL to go completely kablooey)
twolf, I haven’t ever seen them closer than, say, 50 yards (on either axis). But the sandhill cranes that used to drop in sometimes, Bogey and Birdie, you could walk right up to.
And guess what else we have! Over at the shopping center nearest me, 3-5 PEAHENS (estimates vary, but I’ve seen 3 at once myself)! Apparently they flew in a couple of weeks ago and are resisting all attempts to catch them for relocating. I spied ‘em leisurely working the drive-thru lane at the KFC.
the Email for the NYTimes Editorial staff is simply editorial@nytimes.com
Does *ilson object to the word PEAHENS, er whut?
Nice but how much pull does Pravda on Hudson have amongst the voters of CT? I’m pretty sure the Hartford paper endorsed joenertia.
personally, I bat for the peacocks team …
Subway 29 – those who want to “correct” us “for our own good” while (usually) furthering Karl Rove’s worst caricature talking points.
condleeeza’s going home, chick N shit
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…..57,00.html
Just about to check out of hotel in Quebec city and pulling away in front of the hotel is a blue convertible from CT with a Ned Lamont bumper sticker on it!!!! Tried to wave at them, but they were on their way.
Just thought I’d check in and check out with that piece of goodness.
See y’all soon!
Deb
klyde — see previous thread, comment from kirby #38 for a local answer to your question.
For those of us in the NYC metro area [and long time NY Times readers], the move of Gail Collins to editorial page editor from op-ed columnist was bittersweet. Happy that such a realist, with a strong journalism background, would be first among equals with a good editorial board [Brent Staples, Verlyn Klinkenborg, et al], but sorry to such such an articulate voice would have to move off the op-ed page.
Remember, the editorial pages and the news pages have different editors. The news coverage of the press for war in Iraq [i.e., Judith Miller] was very different from the scepticism on the editorial page of the Times.
For a truly ‘alternatvie’ take on the race and ramifications, Google News says this is an hour old:
(
Call it: GOP/Lamont-Lament)
http://www.courant.com/hc-renn…..viewedlink
“Few things provide more satisfaction for one political party than to see the other one beating itself senseless in a primary. So Connecticut Republicans ought to be chipper and poised to take advantage of the brutal contest between Democrats Joseph Lieberman and Ned Lamont for their party’s U.S. Senate nomination. Instead, the Republicans are embarrassed and gloomy over their failure to anticipate the Lamont surge against Lieberman.
Republican activists, like the rest of the state’s politirazzi, are convinced that Lamont is going to win on Aug. 8 and that Lieberman will have to make good on his threat to bolt the party he professes to love and seek re-election as the candidate of the personality cult “Connecticut for Lieberman Party.”"…
I have to ask myself whether this endorsement is entirely an “anti-Lieberman” endorsement, or if it is in fact a stealth “anti-Clintons” endorsement.
I know you do, *ilson, but I’m wondering why my li’l dribble of local bird-color has disappeared into mod-jail on two consecutive threads now — with nary one link, let alone three, to be had. And the closest I came to cussing in it is P**H*NS.
klyde@33
Many of my adoring fans at the Wall Street and Rector Street stations live in CT, and I have seen more than a few Lamont buttons down there. Their daily proximity to Ground Zero is not lost on these folks.
Red Line Blues
‘alternatIVE’
thank you.
Goper’s Lamont?
Nah…!
I can’t wait for August eighth. I am going to kiss my cat and dance in the street.
lotus at 32 — you do know that we have automated software doing most of the initial moderating, right? *ilson, or for that matter Jane and I, really don’t pull most of the posts that get stuck — it’s our spam filtering software and, most likely, you’ve used one or more words that are common ones from the myriad spammers we constantly battle, or lots of links, or any number of other filter triggers. (And thank god for the spam filters…you guys would not believe what we dredge out before it ever gets to you. Sometimes, I don’t believe it, and I no longer shock easily having spent my professional life dealing with criminals. XXX Grannies, anyone? Blergh…)
I thought the NYT piece was well-written and clear.
However, it is clearly much more of an anti-Lieberman piece than a pro-Lamont piece. I would have preferred to see some balance regarding support for Lamont.
I trust that there is more to Ned than simply being anti-Joe. If not, we’re in trouble.
OT – AAARRRG! Wolf Blitzer is pathetic. Israel dropped leaflets in Lebanon so therefore the 53 civilians that were killed have themselves to blame for not leaving. Blame the victim(s). It reminds me of Brown and Chertoff in the aftermath of Katrina. Hey, there you go! Next time a Cat 5 hurricane comes we can just drop leaflets telling people to leave. AAARRRRG!!!
a most telling paragraph from that Courant column by a former GOP legislator:
a horse head in the bed or broken legs — Unka Karl gives ya options!
I swear Gail Collins reads FDL.
She debunked the WoT as a spurious, phony right wing power grab just as we did, and if we were not the first out of the gate to put it in those stark terms, whoever else did it was virtually invisible. That Memorial Day WoT post was linked far and wide, drawing raging trolls aplenty.
The point is, I really think Gail Collins of the NYT Editorial Page reads this blog. As Gilliard and Digby point out, that editorial tracks everything we’ve been saying for months, even if we have not been the only ones saying it.
thanks lina.
I just sent her something at editorial@nytimes.com .
Christy 46, oh I know, hon. Was just pulling that scalawag *ilson’s laig, so he’d go spring me and all them beautimous boids I keep trying to talk about.
Christy — sorry you folks are subjected to that. Wonder if there is a simple way to capture some of that and forward examples to Glenn G to use in his continuing education efforts. On the other hand, I suppose he finds enough material that is allowed in the rw whacko sites. never mind.
either he really is the most politically tone deaf pol in a long ass while, OR someone has assured him of a victory – dear gawd, please let it be the former
He’s going to run with McCain for President (McCain/Lieberman)…just watch :)
And if your comment shows up in moderation, you must hit F5 to see it. It’s usually approved within a minute or so. Posting about it in the comments doesn’t accomplish anything.
subway seranade -
I know; a ‘reach’ that was more a ‘breach’ – apologies.
But, the article is a Lamont lament by GOP that they were caught pants down too. They mighta put up some youger buck who had something like Weicker’s aura if they’d looked for one. But, maybe the DC folks like Jozo where he is anywhoo. Local writer is saying: “WE could be the Lamont campaign (somewhere/somehow…)”
That’s all.
Sharkbabe@35
Oh, a DICK! Now I get it. We had one of those at BFA who ended up making the entire space an irrelevant backwater…
the moderation stuff is weird to me – my worst rantings and cursings always seem to come up just fine, then I’ll be mister rogers and “your post is awaiting…” :)
I’d bet the NYT is the most widely read paper in CT. This editorial amounts to a free ad for Lamont.
There is a pretty good article about the Lamond/Lieberman paper. I hope I do this link ok. The editorial page of this paper would make your hair stand on end, but the reporting seems alright.http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=10478
New fact for me, Ned grew up in Syosset, for any other LI people.
Medaka, no 12:
As for citing personal e-mails, that’s more of personal trust thing than “netiquette”, so nobody can give good advice to you on that, I suppost. Except: Everything published on the net remains public forever, and will eventually be searchable. Don’t post quotes if you know your friend wouldn’t want it posted, because it is easy to find out. Maybe it is better to paraphrase the points you want advice on, and esp. the most recent reasons why your friend switched back. (Clinton? Some of Lamont’s supporters turned him/her off? The Halliburton smear? The rich guy smear?)
Also: Maybe it is more important to refoucs on the easier task: Get him/her to support the democratic nominee in the general, whomever that is.
Lastly: Remember that the CT resident you know has now changed his/her mind at least twice. That’s a typical undecided, and they tend to brak for the challenger in a factor of roughly 2-1.
Ah, there’re my feathered friends at 30 ^. If anyone can puzzle out which verboten word I used, I’ll be sure to ES-CHEW it henceforth, thankyouverymuch!
FDL cannot publish what triggers the moderation or else the trolls will know too. Anyone who was here for the scroll troll will understand how irritating they can be and (bandwidth greedy) expensive.
For any who missed it, Steve has a very sensible take on the calamity of the NYT endorsement to the Lieberman campaign:
http://stevegilliard.blogspot……an_30.html
Tweety’s OTA show: H. Fineman thinks Jozo’s “stopped the bleeding up there for two reasons: Bill and Clinton. He’s running ads now…”
Note the analogy to blood. Appropriate for these times Jozo’s been pushing to take us.
Subway S 55 – my turn to ask question – what’s BFA? sorry if obvious and I haven’t read everything
sharkbabe at 43: I hope we have reason to dance. I’m not counting any chickens before they’re hatched. I’ve experienced too much heartbreak of defeat in politics.
lotus — “kablooey” is a well know explitive and racial epithet on some of the outer plants or the Orion galaxy. I thought you should know.
This is a test.
Subway Serenade @ 21
thanks for the suggestion — i’ve just, er, re-worded it and dashed it off….
since nobody shot me down, i will post CT friend’s words:
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY, EVERY THOUGHT THAT MAKES YOUR TEETH GNASH. NOW TELL ME WHAT LAMONT IS — I ALREADY KNOW HE ISN’T LIEBERMAN — SO I CAN VOTE FOR HIM. MEANWHILE, I SHALL SEARCH FOR MYSELF. THIS IS NOT A SOUL-SATISFYING CHOICE.
any suggestions — links, your own words, etc — would be way highly appreciated…
Here’s my No Shit
i’m glad Kennedy speaks up now, as he’s going on record. I’m not glad he and they didn’t fight off the usurpers!
damn anyone who believes what this white house claims to be true on any given day or any given subject.
it’s Opposite Day every day. Whatever they say, the opposite applies.
lotus – thanx for the reply. I didn’t know peahens liked fried chicken :) or maybe its the mashed potatoes?
sandhill cranes – cool. would love to photograph those beasties up close. I’ve spent a good portion of the morning photoing the goldfinches eating from my sunflowers (again). They r so cute. They pluck the petals and toss them away, then pull a seed out, chew it, spit out the unsavory part out, and repeat the process.
noonan – can I say No JoeK(lein) and still join the club?
But good for Ted Kennedy (and you have no idea what a leap that involves for someone with my background – to say good for Kennedy) to call them on it. Just bc we all saw it coming, doesn’t mean many people are noticing. They (meaning more the Senators than they Justices even) need to recognize it and own it and have the spine to criticze. Advice and Consent MEANS DO YOUR JOB. Not say, “oh the President picked him” When initial Congresses weren’t willing to go along with GEORGE WASHINGTON’s pick (a George that many of the would have been willing to make King, kind of like Leiberman with this George) that tells you what the Congressional function, as seen by the Founders, was supposed to be – and belly crawling/balancing a biscuit on the nose — not really what they seemed to view as the “inherent submission” of the Congress.
If Congess hands Bush his Padilla legislation – we’ll see what Alito and especially Roberts are really about.
Everyone has been talking about Kennedy (the Justice) as the new swing voter. Keep in mind, there was a very important right to counsel case that was also recently decided by the COurt. The ’swing’ vote? SCALIA. When the Congress has put on two votes to the right of Scalia, that is some troubling authoritarianism.
BK@56
No apology needed, I was having a laugh at the writer’s expense. “Goper’s Lament” has been downloaded over 10,000 times, so when I see “GOP” and “Lament” in the same sentence I smile quietly to myself.
However “Goper’s LAMONT” may very well describe the gut feeling of every DINO after August 8.
And THAT’S comedy.
lina 64 – I know, I know.
Should RGJoe actually pull it out, that will only make our evental storming of the bastille all the stronger.
Btw I LOVED that photo of Ned & supporters walking into the wind yesterday.
“Concern Troll” has got to be the New Term of the Year.
Sharkbabe
Blog For America. During the Dean Campaign it was the place folks went to BEFORE they went to Kos. They had a concern troll that rined the place.
LAMONT SURGE!!!
EPU’d and by now all OT :o
Eagle sightings: saw my first wild eagle en route to taking my son to his first year of college. The eagle was a juvenile who flew directly towards the car. I was worried we would collide. At the last minute he swooped up and soared away. It was immensely reassuring, as I was parting with my young eagle, leaving me with an empty nest.
The political stuff: while both sides have done bad things, there is no justification for bombing families on the beach and an international urban airport. Such targets, and ‘collective punishment’ in general => targeting CIVILIANS, are against the Geneva Conventions. We used to believe in the Geneva Conventions, what happened?
The happy stuff: tomorrow/Monday 31st is my birthday. We will spend it in the operating room. It’s a full life.
ruined…
sorry
twolf, don’t hate me, but one of my pals took photos of me bending over to whisper to with Bogey and Birdie, with my tomato-colored shorts the exact same hue as the “caps” they always wear. Bogey is/was about 4′ tall, judging by his size beside my 5′2”-ness. Sure wish they’d come back and see us.
We used to have visits from roseate spoonbills too, but last year an owl (or one of the eagles?) made a meal of a juvenile spoonbill on #11, and they’ve made themselves scarce ever since, dang it.
…”and you have no idea what a leap that involves for someone with my background – to say…”
ROTFLMAO.
I think there are a lot of us here saying that.
First/early Book Salon with BEFORE THE STORM, I was so relieved to learn I was not alone in that respect at FDL.
We filled in the letter, Subway S
egregious – love you
Politicgeek Pro at 59
Many thanks for the wisdom … I think the “searchable” factor is no problem, as you can see by the bit I just posted @ 67 … It’s pretty vague and open banter between us, nothing heavy and traceable (imo) …
It looks like the barrier is: friend just doesn’t know who Ned is or what he stands for, and worries that his lack of experience will have a vote but no sway in Washington should he be elected …
If anyone in FDLandia can give me some quick — perhaps bulleted? — NED-POINTS, or some links to work with, I’d be much obliged!
medaka -
this link has Ned’s schedule. anything local?
http://www.nedlamont.com/events
his homepage should have info re: policies.
today’s bristol herald press had some excellent stuff and great photo of Ned at the Clock museum yesterday
ctcentral.com (I think that’s the gateway addy for combo papers) Lamont piece was on ‘front’ page a couple hrs ago.
medaka, maybe The Nation article? It is sort of a positive profile on Lamont:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenat…..814nichols
I don’t believe this represents a wisening of the NYT. It only represents that they have turned against Bush. This paper and all the rest are still a big part of the problem.
More from the presentation by Mel Lipman, President of the American Humanist Association
The “War on Secular Humanism”
From Reuters:
Wisening beats wizening, NYT, so you be’t keep trying!
Ah, good ole Blog for America. After I got my very first computer, turned it on and checked out Howard Dean, and up came Blog for America.
After Iowa couldn’t take it anymore and went to Kos where I got my first and only troll rating by Armando no less. I was rather a pissy grandma at the time. :-)
lotus – cool about the pictures. sad about the baby spoonbill, but that’s nature I guess. last time i was in everglades nat park (twas a while ago), i saw a tree-full o’ spoonbills and flamingos. what a sight w/ binocs.
“The ’swing’ vote? SCALIA.”
Thanks Mary.
I had no idea, there was a principle that guy wouldn’t crush to support the WH. I love it when I’m wrong.
A few thoughts on Ken Salazar.
He is moderate, centrist, pro-life Democrat. As the State AG, he was the only Democrat in Colorado that held statewide office. It was expected he would run for Governor in 2006, and win handily in the open race. I urged him to run in 2002, but he wisely chose not to — Colorado luvs it some two term Governors.
Anyway, when Ben Turncoat Campbell declined to seek re-election in 2004, there was a mad scramble for the Democratic nomination. Mike Miles, an Army Ranger veteran and high school administrator, had been running for months and was the darling of the progressive activists. After the race opened up, Congressman Mark Udall (2nd CD) announced his candidacy, as did gazillionaire think tanker Rutt Bridges. A day later, Ken Salazar threw his hat into the ring, and everyone except Mike Miles retrieved theirs.
At the State Democratic Convention, Mike Miles won top line designation. He was a great speaker, had a great progressive platform, and didn’t have a chance in hell of winning the nomination or the election. Even so, the DSCC and the Colorado Democratic Party wouldn’t even acknowledge that Ken Salazar had a primary opponent. The State Party Chair spoke with forked tongue, and it cost him his job the following year.
Ken Salazar was a dull speaker, who got better as the campaign went on. Before the convention, he had to be pressed hard before he would commit to not changing parties — that’s how committed he is to the LieberSchmuck centrist backstab independent party.
After the primary, Salazar pledged to run a clean campaign, and immediately launched missiles at Pete Coors. Ken’s campaign slogan was “fighting for Colorado’s land, water, people” — but that didn’t stop him from cutting a deal with James Dobson to not oppose Alito, in exchange for Dobson calling off his Anti-Christ hell hounds.
Ken Salazar is not a bad guy, but he’s not well equipped for the battles we face, and his willingness to cave is a major disappointment.
great summary -ck-, thanks.
Lieberman comes off as a more distinguished version of a concern troll…
How apt.
Hell, pick your most likely ’suspect’ addy, and forward that to the UND voter. Maybe a personal response could not only win THAT vote, but word of mouth from THAT one, and so on…”I got email from NED LAMONT!”
Ever get anything from Jozo?
I had just as positive and quick respnse from campaign only 48 hrs. prior to convention. I think his staff (and by proxy – Ned) run a pretty tight ship. I’d bet email reply w/in 24 hrs (but I wouldn’t bet my mortgage on it. But a ‘bet’ – sure.)
http://nedlamont.com/contact
Like no shit Condi not welcome in Beirut. God I hope I live to see this entire crew on trial before the world.
I guess Lieberman can just take a “short walk” to another party
still smiling from the NYT … and all packed for CT
endorsement or no, winning the primary is going to take everyone’s help … the dem machine in CT is very agile at gotv amongst seniors esp so boots on the ground are going to matter…
so hey gang, come join us in CT!
egregious, wrt to your birthday tomorrow: another day closer to perfection!
Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer are tag-teaming each other in slavish support of Bush and Israel … egged on by Leslie Blitzer
good for you siun! go get ‘em.
I read somewhere the seniors are mostly for Joe. I hope Ned’s got a demographic or two ready to replace them.
Rice insisted she had canceled the Lebanon trip and not the other way around.
The kindergarten “n’uh uh” version of diplomacy.
JohnC – *g* You make people feel safe admitting it though.
Pach – I think the ideas and facts are out there and they can spontaneously generate the same conclusions in lots of people without input or reliance on others, so I don’t know that anyone that has been around the block needs to read the blogs to get there. I do think the voices in the blogs may make them feel it is a bit safer to say the thoughs out loud. There have been a lot of willing shills, but there has also been a lot of intimidation.
I don’t fault the legal reasoning or conclusions about the facts and circumstances that gave rise to Judy Miller going to jail, but I wasn’t happy about it at the time and I still wish it hadn’t happened bc it does open a door. Legally, there is a big difference. But in the eyes of those who don’t really analyze things from the legal theories – like the current AGs Cartel, it makes it that much easier for them to push.
The Franklin case was the same – especially after you see more details like those in the Bamford article – it opens a door that has some very worrisome things on the other side. It’s a Rovian approach to law – take the best of what the “other side” has and pervert it to make your side stronger.
No one these days has an easy job – except maybe the morally corrupt.
I hope Jane and spazeboy and Maura are hangin with the elders
scarecrow:
Condi cancels trip to ME. Well…Condi and her boss can’t be bothered with trying to save lives and perhaps preventing WW III. After all, that wouldn’t be very neo-connish. Now would it? The very idea… I mean tut-tut, really!
o/t
twolf,
rarely am I covetous of others birding opportunities, but from your homepage it looks like you’re just a short ride from here
http://www.hawkmountain.org/
it, along with Southern Arizona is one of the few N American spots to stand up against our Texas Gulf Coast
and meant to commend you on all your pics after seeing yesterday’s breathtaking goldfinch beauty
when I last worked pols in CT, the essential campaign skill was the ability to do that dreadful chicken dance at the senior homes … hope we have some good steppers!
see you all online tonight … or better yet, in CT!
egregious:
While you’re in Russia, make sure you get some time to go out mushroom hunting. (into the forest to pick them yourself, not at the grocery hehe). It’s a big past-time there (well used to be anyway).
Go with people who know which mushrooms are poisonous :)
Wolfie is showing video of his trip over Israel with an Israeli General “flying in a US-made BlackHawk helicopter”. Lebanese and Palestinians also know who makes those Israeli-used helicopters … as well as the precision smart-bombs that flatten 4-story buildings crushing children …
Wrt Rice not going to Lebanon, Friedman made an important point on MTP today. The only thing on Middle Eastern Television 24 hours a day is US made jets, piloted by Israelis pounding Lebanon. Friedmann called it the “muzac” of the ME, because it’s on everywhere. BTW, neither Lebanon nor Hezbollah appear to have SAM (surface to air missle) missles that Ho Chi Minh used in Vietnam to shoot down John McCain etc.
Friedman also made the point that Israel defeated the PLO. Thanks to that pyrric victory, they now get to fight HAMAS. If the Lebanese government collapses Hezbollah will be an even greater force in Lebanon.
See, we are winning the hearts and minds of the “Arab street” just as predicted by Bush. The folks in Lebanon, the moderate democracy are cheering the Americans and the Israelis’on!
(Snip)
“Several thousand people massed outside the building in downtown Beirut chanting “Death to Israel, death to America. We sacrifice our blood and souls for Lebanon.”
http://reuters.myway.com/artic…..RS-DC.html
-GSD
from upstream:
(Rocky Horror Secretary of State) “Rice insisted she had canceled the Lebanon trip and not the other way around.”
Opposite Day indeed.
The sequel before our very eyes:
from ‘Little Big Man’ to ‘Little Bush BIG’
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Earlier, caught locally delayed Timmeh. VERY surprised Friedman said “U.S. is exporting fear, not hope.”
hhmmmmm…Should I be optimystic the tide is changing?
Blank Kludge:
Earlier, caught locally delayed Timmeh. VERY surprised Friedman said “U.S. is exporting fear, not hope.”
hhmmmmm…Should I be optimystic the tide is changing?
Yeah, I found myself agreeing with Tom Friedman. It was kind of scary.
cbl 104 – thanks for the praise. I am glad you enjoyed the shots.
I am 30 minutes away from Hawk Mountain. They put on raptor shows on saturday mornings in spring and fall. Live birds that have been rehabilitated but are unable to be re-released back to the wild.
I am currently working on a slide show of some of my bird shots, i’ll post the link when it’s done if you like. It may be a while ;)
“Rice insisted she had canceled the Lebanon trip and not the other way around.”
emptywheel and others think that Rumsfeld and DeadEye are hammering Condi behind her back to the shrub for her “appeasement” policy wrt Lebanon. I guess Condi figures her cred is so weak in the WH that she can’t even let Lebanon have a meaningless diplomatic victory, that they shut the door on her.
I just had an epiphany while reading through this thread. It is: The biggest mistake the Republican Party and its enablers, like Joe Lieberman, made was to imply that those of us who don’t agree with them, who voice our dissent with what we see as wrongful policy decisions and fatal errors of judgment from our government, don’t love our country as much as they claim they do. Now they are reaping the whirlwind of that wrong assessment. We love our country so much that we’re taking it back from them and we are going, from here on out, to be ever vigilant to their lurking presences.
And for our “Yeh right, Mel” file:
July 30, 2006
Mel Gibson Apologizes for Tirade After Arrest
By ALLISON HOPE WEINER
MALIBU, Calif., July 29 — The film star and director Mel Gibson apologized Saturday for belligerent behavior and for saying what he called “despicable” things that he does “not believe to be true” when he was arrested here on a drunken-driving charge early Friday. [more]
Raya @ 11
Right fkn on.
If US diplomacy has devolved into a debate of whether the Secretary of State cancelled a trip before she was told not to come, then I can definately say that the the US foreign policy is in total shambles.
What a fucking disgrace. The great US power and moral authority has been ground into the sands by this band of malcontents in the Whitehouse.
Besides, sometimes it shows “moral clarity” to just let one larger power beat up on a smaller power. No need to “manage calm”.
-GSD
the official Israeli govt spokesperson is literally yelling at Blitzer that the Hisbollah is using civilians as human shields and repeating it loudly.
Jonah Joe, cast overboard by everybody, including the N.Y. Times. Good.
#117.
In a related story, Mel Gibson has been dropped by his management firm of Brillstein/Gray.
-GSD
something has been bothering me for a while, even before the current round of Israeli bloodlust -
recall Geraldo Riveira interviewing Hezbollah political leaders 3-4 years back, out on the streets of Beirut – and have naively wondered since then if in fact this clown knew how to find them, why couldn’t Mossad ?
John Casper @ 109
nothing, besides the needless slaughter of innocents has driven me more nuts than the constant MSRNC reference to ‘kaytusha’(sp?) rockets used by Hezbollah, without a single instance of ‘branding’ the Israeli array of weaponry
I’m going to try to approach from a different angle the question of whether it’s politically feasible for Lamont to take a stronger stand on the current situation in the Middle East. It doesn’t take courage to oppose the Iraq war now. It took courage to oppose it a few years ago. It took courage back then to speak out againt the Patriot Act, torture, Presidential power, all the issues that are now on the table. Lamont’s greatest opportunity to demonstrate his courage and conviction now would be to be more authentic about the atrocities in Lebanon. Being against the Iraq war at this moment in time is a popular position, so it doesn’t tell me much about his character.
Medeka@69:
Send this link tothem-It’s a podcast of the interview Ed Schultz did with Ned. Ned did an amazing job of talking about the issues and kept the Joe bashing to a minimum. He is way more than a 1 trick pony!
http://audio.wegoted.com/podca…..Lamont.mp3
Alan B 111 – yep and yep!
(btw I’m Susan who worked with you in the Publishing Office)
“The biggest mistake the Republican Party and its enablers, like Joe Lieberman, made was to imply that those of us who don’t agree with them, who voice our dissent with what we see as wrongful policy decisions and fatal errors of judgment from our government, don’t love our country as much as they claim they do.”
Well said.
Rove’s, “that’s so pre-9/11,” meme isn’t just “pre-BILL OF RIGHTS,” 1776, it’s “pre-Magna Carta,” 1215.
*ilson,
Didn’t the Israeli’s know that this was a tactic that was going to be used going into this war?
These fucking clowns sound just like Rummy and every US general and mouthpiece.
Pohoretz must have sprouted some serious yam after reading about all of the civilian casualties.
-GSD
Mel Gibson, you mean that snuff-film maker? :)
I think Southpark captured the essence of Mel pretty well hehe.
And I agree GSD, this administration’s “diplomacy” is truly appalling…even the Sunday talking head shows are at least trying to get the 2 sides to talk. Of course I don’t think this admin wants talks or peace. Fortunately it looks like others are bringing pressure to bear in our place.
In a related story, Mel Gibson has been dropped by his management firm of Brillstein/Gray.
In a related move, the CCC and Aryan Nation have volunteered to manage Mel Gibson, on the condition he doesn’t do any more movies with Danny Glover or other actors of his kind, and Prussian Blue be hired to do all of the soundtracks for any Mel Gibson movies.
fwiw, the Prussians were a Slavic tribe that were wiped out by the invading Germans — all that survived was the name of the territory. It’s ironic that neo-Nazis would use that name …
The NYT also endorsed Kerry (and he had Bruce Springsteen!). Just sayin’.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10…..mp;ei=5090
Condoleeza Rice is the worst Secretary of State since Colin Powell. She probably does live in fear of Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rove of Maniacs Inc. But I feel no sorrow for her. Not even pity. She is not prson of compassion and certainly NOT principle.
*ilson -
And here I was thinkin’ Prussian Blue were Vida Blue’s long lost cousins, or was that ‘Blue Moon’ Odom? ;~>
Saltin,
MLK set the bar for moral positions that made no political sense with his opposition to the Vietnam war. His position strengthened America and injured the long terms interests of African Americans.
IMO, in the minds of the voters opposition to Iraq is not as settled an issue as your comment suggests.
This is a process.
Once we get traction on Iraq, it will be easier to address Lebanon.
I don’t see that happening before Ned wins the general in November.
Justice Stevens is 86 years old?
Failure could lead to another Alito/Roberts on the bench, if Stevens health doesn’t hold.
As abysmal as the Dems position is, my support for Ned remains fully intact. He and other liberal Dems are the best hope we have and we don’t have an overabundance of hope.
Managed Calm
While they are practicing kindergarten playground diplomacy, you’d think it might bring memories of “time out” corners to mind.
OTOH, letting kids kill each other with stones on the playground, so as to avoid any semblance of false, “mangaged calm” is a new paradigm. Rice seems to love a new paradigm even more than a new pair of shoes.
PRI did a radio special on Gangs in SuperMax prisons — one of the key points was that in the 1980’s, rehabilitation penal theory was thrown out and replaced with lock-’em-up-and-throw-away-the-key punishment.
Since then, isolation units have not solved the gang problems, but made them worse. Instead of protecting society, SuperMax prisons have become graduate universities of crime.
The same thing has happened in the Middle East — the more Israel tries to punish terrorism and bomb their way to security, the worse the terrorism and hatred of Israel has become. What we are seeing in Southern Lebanon is an Anti-Israel organization, Hezbollah, adapt to the military challenges of the IDF, and battle them to a stalemate. This is a huge victory for the Anti-Israel forces, and huge defeat for Israel and the USA.
The lesson? Negotiating and making peace with your enemies is the path to peace; punishment only fosters new cycles of violence.
*ilson, I thought the Prussian military tradition started with Charlemagne. He used them as his strong hold on his eastern flank on that great European plain? Perhaps both statements are accurate?
I’m trying to get a CT resident (the only one I know) to vote for Ned. Up until a few days ago, she said she was going to, but has changed her mind. Ugh.
Question is, if I need some help from the FDL community, would it be very bad netiquette to post parts of her emails for you all to help me with rebuttals? I’m already assuming this is a no-go, guess I just want confirmation. Would it be ok in private e-mails? I guess I’m suddenly having some boundary perception problems …
Any advice would be appreciated …
Mareka,
What seems to have changed her mind? Just the jist of why is fine.
If it has to do with maybe a Republican would win, should the party split, remind her we do not have a Democrat now, so what’s the difference??
Blank Kludge @ 81
Visito @ 82
Twisted Martini @ 122
You guys rock my house to the foundations! Many thanks for the links and suggestions. I think I might be the little straw camel …
I just received confirmation that:
I would never vote for JL as an Independent. One, because he isn’t one …
I’d vote over for a Dem over a Rep any day …
… I think I’m getting through!
And also getting sleepy, 12 hours ahead of y’all.
Thanks for your help, Firedogs, and g’night!!
Oklahoma kiddo says
Condoleeza Rice is the worst Secretary of State since Colin Powell.
Well to be fair to Rice, she’s also the Best Secretary of State since Powell as well. ;-)
It takes a village, Hillary, a Lebanese village.
Charlemagne was around 800AD — the Teutons conquered Prussia after 1000AD
JohnC -
I think the assassination of King did damage to black folks’ long term interests here in the U.S.
Bullets for Bobby shortly after didn’t help much.
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Two titans who could still be alive and outspoken TODAY.
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jmtfhho
(just my ‘tinfoil hat’ humble opinion)
SaltinWounds: Why don’t you just go to Ned’s website and see where he does stand on issues apart from Iraq, instead of posting how much you wonder about it here? Or are you another concern troll just trying to plant seeds of discontent? If not, then go find out yourself. Clearly, you have a computer and the knowledge to get to a website on your own.
moeman at 130 — Jane and I have repeated this ad nauseum, but clearly it needs saying again: neither one of us supports Ned Lamont solely for a win, although it would be nice. But supporting Ned is a larger message to Joe Lieberman and to the rest of the Democratic party — you ignore your constituents at your own peril, and you lecture us on how we should think based solely on your own hyper-inflated egos at your own risk. Beyond that, though, Ned is a principled, decent human being who has worked in an incredibly tough school with kids that the Bush Administration and Joe Lieberman have forgotten, day after day, for years. Voting for Ned is a good thing for CT, and for the entire country — and, win or lose, this campaign is forcing the elected politicians to contemplate their world from a different perspective — no longer so much top-down, and much more equal footing from the grassroots. And that is a very good thing indeed.
OT
Would y’all please remind me which thread it was that featured lhp’s Roan Inish Soup? I gotta get that recipe down before I forget it, even if I DON’T have a source for Japanese seaweed. Thanks.
moeman – on the bright side, Ned doesn’t have to win Florida or Utah.
Bergs @ 136
thanks! not sure why she reverted, it was news to me … from what i gather it was the Ned-as-unknown/inexperienced-quantity factor, but i’m working on that … logic is on our side, as always …
One mind (and vote) at a time…
Sorry *ilson didn’t fully read your comment that white supremacists had adopted name “prussians.”
New thread from Redd.
fwiw, if the Arthur Koestler Thirteenth Tribe thesis of the Caucasian ancestry of Ashkenazim (Eastern European) Jews is correct, the victims of the Holocaust were genetic and cultural Aryans — while the Germans were mongrel hordes of Northern Europe.
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi…..7?v=glance
FWIW, Saltinwound is not a troll. Frequently can see saltin commenting at thenexthurrah.
jcricket (144), I have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t wonder what Lamont’s stand is, I wonder if it would be possible for him to take a stronger one than this:
http://nedlamont.com/issues/62…..iddle-east
John Casper, thanks for your reasoned response, as always.
EPU’d, again apparently, but on topic re German invasions.
Re earlier comment, “I hope the Russians love their children…” They certainly do, are sentimental and sacrificial about it.
In Soviet times life for adults was so bleak that nearly their only hope and joy was the children. Lot of elderly people in the 900-day German blockade of Leningrad, now St.Petersburg, starved to give their small food ration to the little ones. Other families were divided forever when young children were sent out into the countryside, in hopes that they would survive the blockade.
That’s part of why the Beslan school massacre destroyed the whole community, it took away their children, their very reason for living.
I’m trying to help restore a city that is still suffering the effects of WWII and the Cold War. It is TOTALLY EXASPERATING to see my own country contributing to fresh generations of suffering, pain, loss, and death. We are fast becoming the bad guys of the world, in what we do and in who we sponsor/support. Why would we veto a cease fire the rest of the world is begging for??
“Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me.”
Gang, it’s great to be protective of the discussion (and of Jane and I, and all), but please don’t immediately jump on someone who disagrees with your position and call them a troll. We can disagree and debate and actually learn something from each other — especially if we have lots of different opposing views. This is a progressive website — we do not walk in lockstep, nor do we want to do so. And we would all do well to remember that. Thanks. (Plus, John Caspar is absolutely correct — SaltinWound is a long-time commenter here and at NextHurrah.)
lotus–here’s LHP’s
recipe
Blank, I totally agree.
Booker T. Washington and WEB Dubois split along lines similar to King and Malcolm X (Little).
King’s opposition to the Vietnam War, killed Johnson and helped get Nixon elected. It also saved thousands of American lives and lives around the world.
I think King is a terrific hero, certainly the equal of Washington, Lincoln, and Rosa Parks imo. His decision about Vietnam, however, was imo putting his being American ahead of his ethnicity. It hurt the causes that African Americans need support on.
SaltinWound –
The Middle East in general and Israel in particular is a political minefield, and I don’t fault ANY Democratic politician for not taking a hard line.
Crossing AIPAC during a campaign can be political suicide, and that is not something we should ask of an insurgent like Ned Lamont.
Big ol’ bowl o’ thanks for you, RBG!
Christy:
I agree. In fact, that’s in part why I wanted to make my comment in initial disagreement with your comment earlier this morning.
If we can discuss and disagree in the right tone, there’s no reason for community members to be bothered about civil disagreement, dispute and the testing of ideas.
Lotus,
Just logged on in time for your request
Re: the sea weed: i found japanese powdered seaweed made for soup at Stop and Shop. You might try soaking and shredding some Nouri (the stuff on the outside of sushi) which is what I oriinally intended to do.
Soup:
seaweed (figure a cup or so)
bay leaves 3-4
2 lbs live mussles
2-3 cups potatos in 1/2 dice
same amount of diced onion
Large head of cabbage finely shredded
4-5 whole cloves of garlic (peeled)
“enough” water
layer the ingredients in the pot in that order
cook just until potatos are done so the mussels won’t overcook and get rubbery.
DO NOT ADD SALT. Not that this is salty at all, we tried fiddling with the leftovers this AM; and salt a nd peper are NOT an improvement.
because there is not fat in this whatsoever, it is actually nice cold from the fridge, but absolutley it best hot and when you have first made it. Unlike New England clam chowder which is better on the second day, this is a make it and eat it right away thing
John Casper –
King’s opposition to the Vietnam War, killed Johnson and helped get Nixon elected. It also saved thousands of American lives and lives around the world.
Nixon’s election in 1968 doomed tens of thousands of Americans and millions of Asians to death — his “secret plan to end the war” was GOP political campaign bullshit, just like Junior’s “Compassionate Conservatism” was bullshit.
I think MLK did the right thing in opposing Vietnam, but the law of unintended consequences often has unfortunate outcomes.
BTW
NYExH came back from all day rugby tournament in a heat wave seriously considering hitting the emergency room because of heat damage.
he can’t eat mussles, but tried some of the broth to see what littleprop and I were going on about.
This AM he was up with the larks, took the dogs to the beach for swim, did chores and just volunteered to take littleprop to the mall.
Unbeleivable to have energy to burn like that the day after being sun fried. This is great stuff.
Thanks -ck-. I envy the economy with which you state things so accurately.
Christy & Pach just above.
Thanks for making that point — specially given the op-ed groaner David Broder came out with this a.m. (at least that’s when it hit our paper).
Making a long long drone short, he apparently didn’t get the memo from the NYTimes. Furthermore, he appears to be clutching his pearls over the weird, unsettling, fringe-type Dems. who tend to march in lockstep, & support the likes of Ned Lamont.
ooooooooooooooooooo BOO!!! David!
don’t know whether to laugh or cry ;->
John Casper –
Thanks for the props — it’s hard work writing succinctly; my natural tendency is modifying clauses and adjectives and adverbs and dangling participles and obscure reverences and wandering ellipses and stuff like that . . .
In other words, I often write like John Kerry talks.
Ref CTheGee@8:29 I wrote a long letter to DiFi about both of these obfuscators when they came up for their confirmation hearings. I believe she voted against them and the cloture vote as well.
As for George, if his mouth is moving, he’s lying. Or rather the puppet master behind him is lying. It is sad that in spite of an education that probably cost in excess of a half a million dollars, the man is still an ass with no class.
John Casper –
I left a thank you comment in the downstairs thread.
Also, I forgot to mention that Hubert Humphrey probably would have gotten us out of Vietnam long before the 1972 election — Democrats being more honest and sincere public servants, and all that.
Jeez, it’s hard to keep my threads straight. My 10:18 am was supposed to be upstairs.
Hi! A long time lurker from Italy (jup that far way..)
A quick note to thank you for the great job FDL and its people are doing in restoring my faith in the people of the USA. Reading about your work for Lamont and the values he rappresents is a refreshing thing after seeing Bush and Co at work. The reaction to the Caan slaughter (37 children dead under the bombs) was really disheartheing and sad.
Well may I say it : Go Ned ! :)
I do have something that bugs me about that picture — the flag.
The flag is not supposed to be used for campaigns — you can use red white and blue bunting, but not a flag (under the flag code).
I suppose it’s a quibble, when you think about it, but for me it’s just something that bugs me.
Lieberman: Democrats my toughest constituency
Gosh, I wonder why? WaPo:
Yeah…. Democrats!
Lorenzo Sunflower, Sue and her mate-for-life Pooks circled New Haven for 45 minutes without finding a parking space. When Pooks took innocent Lorenzo by the stem and threatened certain death by strangulation, it was then I realized that the concert was a lost cause.
Later.
Heh-loooooo, Italia! Welcome, kimba1970 — can’t post just once, ya know! You’re home-away-from-home now, so pull up a chair . . .
When they ( HO JO )bring up Ned’s wealth makes me wonder what school they (he) attened to not realize they are critizeing our plantion, slave owning FOUNDING FATHERS.To bad the only taught religion !!