These are increasingly dark days for America's haters. More and more, some Bloviating Fucktards of the Right seem to be coming up hard against the realization that while the First Amendment of the US Constitution may technically protect their right to spew hateful, bigoted rot, public tolerance has its limits, and it looks like some of the more egregious purveyors of filth are discovering those limits.
The German language has some marvellous words. Words that declare in just a few syllables what it takes whole subordinate clauses to say in English. There's gemutlichkeit, which means, essentially, "the cozy life". A place that is gemutlich is a house or tavern or apartment that's not just cozy, but also has an air of restfulness and ease, where the stresses and problems of the world at large seem far away.
Another great German word is schadenfreude, which means "pleasure at the misfortune of another", and while it's not the prettiest of human emotions, it's certainly real and, I would venture, even justified in some cases.
Which brings us to a series of recent calamities that have befallen the members of the Westboro Baptist Church. Westboro Baptist is the church of Rev. Fred Phelps, Jr., those Good Christians who first came to your attention, probably, when they showed up to disrupt the funeral of Matthew Shepard , the 21-year-old gay man who was brutally beaten and then left to die hanging from a fence in Laramie, Wyoming. Not content to mock his family and turn an already tragic occasion into a hellish circus, Reverend Phelps also "made attempts to gain city permits in Cheyenne and Casper, Wyoming to build a monument 'of marble or granite 5 or 6 feet in height' on which will be a bronze plaque bearing Shepard's picture and the words: "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22."
Nice, huh? Make no mistake, folks. These are good Republican Family Values at work. While most "christian" right wingers stop short of the level of poisonous hate exhibited by Phelps and congregation, their insane prejudice stems from the same spiritual sickness, an urge to punish and destroy anyone who is Not Like Them.
Phelps and company have made more of a name for themselves in recent years by disrupting the funerals of US service personnel killed in action. Thus far, this has gone swimmingly for them, but a lawsuit filed by the father of a slain US Marine Lieutenant appears to be poised to stop them right in their flat-footed, inbred, mouth-breathing, self-righteous tracks:
For the first time since members of Westboro began protesting at military funerals, someone is using the courts to stop them. A distraught father has filed suit in Maryland against what he views as a gross violation of privacy and intentional emotional abuse.
On March 3, 2006, Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew A. Snyder was killed in the Al Anbar province of Iraq. His father, Albert Snyder, buried him on March 20 at St. John's Catholic Church in Westminster, Md.. It was supposed to be a peaceful, private ceremony.
But the funeral was interrupted by members of the church. "The protesters — Westboro Baptist Church — showed up with their signs, their hatred," Snyder said.
According to Snyder's attorney Sean Summers, the demonstrators bore their infamous "God Hates Fags" signs, as well as a lesser used "Semper Fi Fags" sign, particularly offensive to the dead Marine's family.
Though (Phelps's daughter and family attorney Shirley) Phelps-Roper maintains that the protesters "were hundreds — hundreds — of yards from where the funeral was," Snyder was forced to travel past them to enter. "To be honest with you, I tried not to focus on (the protest), and more on my son," he said.
But according to the lawsuit, the church's presence was emotionally damaging to the already grieving father. Postings by Phelps-Roper on the church's Web site following the protest that claimed Snyder "taught Matthew to defy his Creator, to divorce, and to commit adultery," and "raised him for the devil," further added to the father's pain.
Wouldn't Jesus be proud of how this particular group of His Little Sunbeams are behaving?
Here's what happened when they were confronted by a real man of the cloth:
At Arlington, Pastor David Foote of Franklin, Penn., saw the protest and attempted to engage the demonstrators. He told them that "God loves everyone," prompting church members to descend upon him in a hail of insults.
"A lying, false prophet — that's what this is," Phelps-Roper told CBSNews.com, and dismissed him as a "dumb-ass" and a liar.
Foote was in Arlington to pay his respects to Army Spc. Jonathan Kephart, killed near Baghdad on April 9, 2004. Seeing the contempt demonstrated by the church for both the dead and the living was troubling to the Baptist preacher.
"Christians don't talk the way they talked to me," he said. "We show respect to each other."
I'm going to take you at your word on that one, Pastor. Having seen the respect shown to others by Good Christians like Tom DeLay, Ralph Reed, and Jerry "Punkinhead" Falwell, I'm a little skeptical of that statement. But I do believe that we can agree that Phelps and his Phlock are not exactly paragons of Christ's love.
In addition to general damages, the lawsuit is seeking punitive damages against the church to act as a deterrent against future protests,
Phelps-Roper feels this is a misuse of the judicial system. "Their stated purpose is to tie this little group — the servants of the living God — up in litigation," she said, "not caring what the merits are … or if they could possibly prevail."
That's precisely what this is, you hateful bizzatch. A tiger-trap for your band of bleating psychopaths.
And if that's not enough to muzzle you, maybe the new laws enacted in Indiana (with twelve other states pending) to make what you do a felony will.
A U.S. Army soldier was buried Monday, surrounded by hundreds of friends, family and a heavy police presence. Sgt. Rickey Jones, age 21, was killed Feb. 22, 2006, while on patrol in Iraq. The Kokomo native is the first serviceman to be buried in Indiana since the governor signed legislation that restricts protests at funerals.
A church group that has protested at military services across the country failed to show. The Westboro Baptist Church had publicized on its Web site plans to picket the funeral.
Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels cited the planned protest as one of the reasons he quickly signed a bill into law that makes disorderly conduct within 500 feet of a funeral a felony.
(snip)
Disorderly conduct at funerals, burials, funeral processions or viewings in Indiana is now punishable by six months to three years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
At least a dozen other states are considering similar measures.
The Westboro group did not show up for a funeral this weekend in Missouri, either. That state also has a ban on picketing and protests at funerals.
Sounds to me like you guys are having a hard time, Mrs. Phelps-Roper, et al. Pretty soon, you may have to shut down, or at least confine your particular brand of toxic hooey to your own churches and homes. Awwwww. That's a shame. Cry. Me. A. River.
Really, though, if this does mark the end of the road for the folks at Westboro Baptist, I'll sort of miss them. In the final analysis, I think they are really the worst enemies of their own cause. Their hysteria, their gall, their frothing bigotry and casual, pie-eyed atrocity have ultimately driven more people around to our side of the argument than the entire run of "Will and Grace".
Reverend Phelps? By the way, your son Nate called. He said you're a violent, abusive sociopath, and seeing you on TV gives him flashbacks.
Oh! And 5,000 angry bikers called right after that. They told you to go fuck yourself, too.
Wearing vests covered in military patches, a band of motorcyclists rolls around the country from one soldier's funeral to another, cheering respectfully to overshadow jeers from church protesters.
They call themselves the Patriot Guard Riders, and they are more than 5,000 strong, forming to counter anti-gay protests held by the Rev. Fred Phelps at military funerals.
Now that makes me proud to be an American.
Yay! Life sucks for Westboro Baptist! YAAAAAAAY!! Schadenfreude for everyone! It's delicious! Hooray!
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TRex, words fail me. I am so flipping angry everytime I think of that cretian who dares to call himself a “living God”. I hope this lawsuit gets front paged all over the country.
congrats, Fern! TRex, I think you mean “than” instead of “that” before “the entire run of Will and Grace.” To protest a funeral is just despicable.
When will more Christians stand up and publically denounce such haters?
There is plenty of demand for Muslims to stand up and do that against their own fundament nut jobs, so what about it, good Christians?
Why aren’t you out there with the bikers?
As my goodnight to Late Nite, here’s a link (courtesy of James Wolcott) to the General’s photoessay on keyboarders vs. real combatants:
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com.....1253261733
At least Hugh Hewitt’s nipples are standing at attention. Pam’s, not so much.
I’m glad they’re getting sued.
I’ve suspected for a while that while they are genuinely bigoted, part of what they’ve wanted for years was to finally provoke someone to hit them, so they could sue.
There’s an air of the shyster there. I dunno. I could be wrong.
But dragging them into court where they could be drained of cash is good, though I’m sure they will love the chance to get up on the stand and spew their crap. Their type always does.
TRex !
Once again folks, I urge you all to practice safe sects.
Condomaniacs?
But dragging them into court where they could be drained of cash is good, though I’m sure they will love the chance to get up on the stand and spew their crap. Their type always does.
Funny, they don’t *look* spewish…
And again, while I think the suit is a good idea, bank on Phelps milking it for all its worth as far as publicity goes.
The bastard loves a platform and a camera.
A possibly good idea would be to watch this as it develops and to get on the case of any media outlet that decides it might be a good idea to parade the freaks as a means of garnering ratings and sensationalizing hate.
Phelps should thank God I’ve never had the chance to run into him. If we’d been so cursed to have a funeral for a soldier in my family…well, hell hath no fury like a p*ssed-off stepmother.
(TRex, love ya man, but you’re letting a nasty genie out of the bottle with the use of one word. I beg you to reconsider the selection.)
Is it really truly ethical to find pleasure in the suffering of the batshit insane?
Well, OK maybe just this once.
Another fun game is to think about which circle of Hell Dante would place Phelps.
My god! What went wrong? How did I get to be No.12? or is it now 13? 14?
EPU’ed and in case anyone cares…
One day after I sent a nasty email (among other things, that day)to Kurt Weldon, my computer crashed. Big boom. Had to do a ‘destructive recovery’ where I lost everything. While on the phone with tech support, my phone line died–twice. After 5 hours of trying to get back up without success, I decided to step away and take a break. Something my mom taught me. I put on a pay-per-view movie thru my evil, corporate cable company ( which also is the bringer-of-internet) and tried to ‘chill’. The film went out five time in the first half hour. I called cable, they had me re-boot the system, to no avail. They said come in and exchange the box (across town). I did. My phone went down yet again, this time for two hours. I am alone in the house, no witnesses. Once I got my computer back up, many passwords had been changed, and without recourse. I have had to write snail mail to the companies involved and await resolution. Why? Because I pissed off a congressman (called him a fat boy) and/or my NSA person and who knows who. I thank you Eureka for your inquiry.
Ok…so I’m feeling a little sorry for myself, who hasn’t? Once again I thank Angie for the carefully stirred and not shaken cocktail.
hhrruummmppph
Hugh Huge-nips.
-GSD
A possibly good idea would be to watch this as it develops and to get on the case of any media outlet that decides it might be a good idea to parade the freaks as a means of garnering ratings and sensationalizing hate.
I look forward to Ann Coulter making the rounds on TV to decry the vicious hateful liberal persecution of the courageous Phelpsians.
OK 16, I can live with that.
NIce T…(is that your rap name?)
I miss you. Thanks for being here.
TRex,
What you’re describing is the Geo-Political ideology of the GOP’s Reich-Wing. Not Right-Wing as you misspelled it, but REICH-Wing.
wow — trex uses the ‘c’ word —– quick someone trex him . . . . .;-P
hey hope, just sent you email.
TRex, I think you mean “than” instead of “that” before “the entire run of Will and Grace.”
Thanks, Dana!
(TRex, love ya man, but you’re letting a nasty genie out of the bottle with the use of one word. I beg you to reconsider the selection.)
Please remember that this is the blog that named Kate O’Beirne Sandpaper Snatch.
If you find it that offensive, though, I will change it. But sometimes the ugly words are the only ones that will do.
That Capalert idiot has also fallen on hard times. (movie reviews for “Christians”). He only reviews movies now if people “donate” rather large amounts of money. Some of those reviews though are pretty hysterical to read hehe.
You gotta wonder about the mindset of someone who feels the need to watch a movie and count every curse word, just to review it and tell everyone how awful it is :)
Oh, if only Constantine had converted to Mithraism instead of Christianity hehe.
Speaking of hateful and monstrous human beings.
John Bolton is buidling his Jacob Marley chain very long and heavy.
(Snip)
“We don’t think that simply returning to business as usual is a way to bring about a lasting solution,” Bolton said.
“Rather than jump to conclusions about ceases-fires and other matters, we felt it was important to let that play out and to do what was important today, which was address the tragic loss of civilian life,” Bolton told reporters.
(End)
Business as usual. What a monstrously sick man to say that what is going on now between Israel and Lebanon is better than what was preceding this disaster.
-GSD
TRex, at first the c word gave me pause, but then I realized that if not him, who? I consider him the lowest of the low and came to the conclusion that it was appropriate.
“Rather than jump to conclusions about ceases-fires and other matters, we felt it was important to let that play out and to do what was important today, which was address the tragic loss of civilian life,” Bolton told reporters.
Umm, isn’t that what cease-fires are *for*?
These people have no idea of what God’s word truly means.
Changed the c-word, but held my nose while I did it.
HopeSAT — hey, have you had any other weird electrical problems in your house? Fuses popping or clocks acting like a brown-out or black-out? Television or monitor die on you? Asked any neighbors about the same?
You might have a localized electrical problem; you might consider getting a UPS (uninterruptible power system) for your PC, one that also provides protection from surges and through which you plug your phone/cable line. UPS will not only buy you extra time to shut down a system in case of a power failure, but it conditions power coming into your PC so that it isn’t fluctuating and damaging your PC. Might think about a big enough UPS for both PC and cable/TV stuff, or buy two, one for each PC and the TV/Cable stuff.
TRex—smart move, even if it hurt a little.
I must say my own Rev. Gov. Huckabee jumped on this a few months ago and there will be no protesting near a funeral in Arkansas. I wonder if Phelps et. al. will take this to the Supremes on 1st amendment issues.
The really disturbing thing about Phelps-Roper is that (on the Hannity segment at least) she seems so calm and self assured, complete with a little smirk of superiority at all the poor sinners who do not understand her righteous truth.
Kind of reminds of one Mr. Bush. Now that’s truly frightening.
TRex — thanks, dear. I know, the shoe certainly fit that skank-muffin, but we had an issue in thread yesterday about it (ask “M” about it).
If it were you and me in conversation, you’d probably have to beat me to the same descriptor when talking about this particular spawn of Satan.
You know, for some reason “Snatch” just doesn’t make the hackles rise in the same way. Partly because it fits the subject “s’naturally”. Heh.
I think it’s rather remarkable that traditional media scolds spend so much time wagging their fingers at angry liberal bloggers and people just pretend Fred Phelps doesn’t exist.
If we showed up at soldiers’ funerals picketing like that, oh the spittle that would fling…
Is there a donation page for costs of the father’s lawsuit?
“I think it’s rather remarkable that traditional media scolds spend so much time wagging their fingers at angry liberal bloggers and people just pretend Fred Phelps doesn’t exist.”
The counterpart on the left would have to be Ted Kuscinski or someone of that ilk.
Thanks Suz…gonna check it in a sec and Rayne you are a technical and brilliant wizard but in fact I did check with neighbors and everthing electronic (without exception) is on a surge protector. My original intention was to protect from thunderstorms which we have frequently, but it all failed nonetheless. I believe I was attacked by the government. Think what you will, but I feel intuitively certain. Fa la la la la.
HopeSAT - I immediately thought of electrical problems as well. Password problems are another strange universe though. Very odd.
I’ve heard of steer ropers and goat ropers. But I’ve never heard of Phelps ropers…
HopeSpringsATurtle
It may be an anomaly in your own personal electrical field which is causing a disturbance in the generalized ether of hyperspace and distorting the space-time continuum.
If I were you I would avoid open fields, tall people and metal headgear.
At least he stopped beating one of his children. Oh he grew up, moved away and never returned.
Eureka Springs — wonder if Phelps’ bullsh*t might not fit the description of obscenity, which is subject to local interpretation if memory serves. In which case there may be no First Amendment right to protect his speech, especially since other venues are available.
I have to wonder whether harassment isn’t also a factor that would work against Phelps were he to sue under the First.
Agh, slipping into bad habits again, up too late with the FirePups. Got to hit the hay here in the midwest, must get up early before it’s too hot to get my work done tomorrow. ‘Niters, ‘Pups, you central and pacific folks keep the fires stoked by the lake!
Morris
Does that meam my tin-foil hat and my braces?
There is a pretty horrendous thread at KOS about Freepers mocking the death of young Lebanese…the usual ignorance and hate filled vomit about them being terrorists once they are over 10 years old etcetera….
Then there are pictures of protests in many Islamic nations.
One photo sums it up with sign that refers to Condi Rice as the “midwife from hell”.
Boy this neo-con doctrine is working wonders for the Americans’ and the Israelis’ world opionions.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....01944/0807
-GSD
Morris, HopeSpringsATurtle might want to check with EPU, if your theory has any weight. He knows all about alternate universes.
I’m not so sure the First Amendment doesn’t protect Phelps and his hateful demonstrations. Do we really want to constrain hate speech to “Free Speech Zones”?
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Tin foil hat has got to go. Braces are OK if you keep your mouth shut but I would reccommend a switch to the new clear plastic ones, consult your dentist.
Fred Phelps has earned himself quite a Wiki file. Probably more than anyone wants to know…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_phelps
Department of “I hope they’re not using my annual dues for that:” the ACLU is defending Phelps’ posse against the Missouri law little Blunt signed not too long ago:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00643.html
5-Suzanne… you describe him perfectly… “CRETIN.”
Did you know that the root of that word is actually “Christian.”
Kind of appropriate, I’d say.
cretin,
wow, I didn’t know that. And no offense intended, yanno.
‘ere, Hope SAT, can I top up your libation?
G’nite, everybody. Thanks, TRex and all y’all for all you do, worldwide. Really. Someone from FDL is always awake and alert; I’ll bet more than a few of us used to sleep (?) with one eye open and now we rest more easily and more quietly, knowing there is a firepup, somewhere, watching and working always for our chance to become a fantastic country and to fulfill our responsibility to the world!
I’m not so sure the First Amendment doesn’t protect Phelps and his hateful demonstrations. Do we really want to constrain hate speech to “Free Speech Zones”?
I do believe that people’s funerals should be protected. Grief is private.
whig
There are certainly some first amendment issues invoked by laws intended to prohibit or regulate the Phelps group’s uncivil behavior. I would not be surprised to see some of those laws challenged in court. A large number of the family members are attorneys, so they would not necessarily incur a lot of legal costs. But I think a good argument can be made that society has a legitimate interest in regulating the time, place and manner of their abominible exploitation of the Bill of Rights. Free speech is protected, but intentional infliction of emotional distress is not. It will interesting to see how it all plays out in court. In the meantime, I think the Patriot Guard deserves a salute.
Guess who war-criminal Henry Kissinger thinks this ALL leads back to: Iran!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00546.html
The media has steered clear of Phelps because it would require filming articulate glbt citizens for “an opposing view.”
TRex -
So glad you’re back from vacation. I really missed seeing your face inside Max’s medicine cabinet.
(BTW - not a big fan of the “c” word. Reminds me of the worst man I’ve ever known, who threw the word around a lot.)
On the other hand, once, many years ago, I had a a girlfriend who would drive any quartz electrical wristwatch crazy (eventually did the same to me). She claimed watches would just start to spin around for no reason every once in a while. Naturally I did not believe her until one night I actually saw it happen. Damn watch just started spinning crazily, went around twelve times and stopped where it had started. No, I am not making this up and I was not that drunk or on Peyote. Totally freaked me out.
On a completely different topic I have to brag I have great seats for the CSNY concert at the Hollywood Bowl tomorrow night.
And thanks for airing this issue, TRex.
I’m not so sure the First Amendment doesn’t protect Phelps and his hateful demonstrations. Do we really want to constrain hate speech to “Free Speech Zones”?
I do believe that people’s funerals should be protected. Grief is private.
True
Still, difficulties rise when we attampt to legislate decency.
Didja get your question in yet to WaPoO chatter Shailagh Murray? She’s on at 11 eastern:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00498.html
I think the media doesn’t cover it as much as it needs because of fears about 1st Amendment issues, which is a big issue with traditional media.
HopeSAT
I’ve had password problems because Trend (free download version of antivirus software) got messed up and wouldn’t let me enter my own password into a site.
Eventually I uninstalled it and then downloaded it again, and no more problems. I hope it’s something easy, for your sake.
Also, don’t most states have verbage in their criminal codes that declare exceptions for words or acts that are likely to envoke a violent response?
Cretin 53
I did not know that. I always thought it referred to a person from the island of Crete. This my have something to so with the fact that my first wife’s family was from Platinea, a small village on the north shore of the island.
TRex, I’m speechless and you’re awesome.
Phelps really bothers me, and he tests my commitment to the First Amendment–but grief is private. I’m not sure 500 feet is enough though.
Anyway, I’m just now heading out and wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33-_9nOX8KM
That YouTube is Michael Moore taking on Phelps on his show “The Awful Truth” from a few years back.
I despise Phelps and his entire inbred clan, but tearing down the 1st Amendment to deal with him seems a bit of an unfair tradeoff
Also, the same politicians slamming Phelps for his vile attitude regarding military funerals sure weren’t bothered when Phelps and clan were protesting at the funerals of AIDS victims
I think Phelps will win any court challenges he pursues, but, there ARE ways to stop the bastard without having to hurt the 1st Amendment
First off, the Patriot Riders are a great way to counteract Phelps, in essence, their bigger bullhorn of motorcycles drown out any of Phelps blather
But if you REALLY want to piss off “The Rotting Cryptkeeper” as Pam at the Blend calls him, do this
The best way to hit phelps where it hurts is through his speech, but with financial donations to causes that Phelps absolutely hates
So, for example, say you went to the Westboro Baptist Church site, and studied their itinerary of funerals to protest
When Phelps shows at his latest bashing, pledge a certain amount of money for every minute Phelps spends blasting everyone, and make sure the money goes to causes Phelps will hate, say a Gay Mens Chorus, or some issue that benefits gays, like an HIV crisis center, or groups fighting the spread of HIV
And what must drive Phelps crazy is that the more hatred he spews, the more money goes to causes he despises
The 1st Amendment should not be gutted because of the likes of Fred Phelps, not in the least, but there are ways to hit the bastard through his hatred, the most enjoyable form of Schadenfreude there is to celebrate
all batteries die around me, Morris S. I am not joking at all. especially wristwatches on my wrist. don’t know what it means, but there you have it.
Some funerals are held inside churches and temples. If Phelps walked inside a church funeral service he’d be shown the door, no?Just because one is held outside doesn’t mean any jerk can show up to “protest” it.
Hope the family has one helluva lawyer. Phelps and his minions have a lot of crazy $ behind them.
I’m with KingCranky.
Morris Shepard, I saw them there a few years ago. It was awesome.
I do wonder about the First Amendment issues with those laws. Emotionally I’m in favor of them, but legally … I suppose the argument could be made that the intentional infliction of harm is analogous to yelling “fire” in a crowded theater. It will be interesting to see what happens.
cretin: my understanding is that the word “cretin” initially referred to a resident of Crete. Not sure where you got your etymology, but am not sure it’s accurate.
And speaking of “c” words, now I just can’t help wondering what word it was TRex changed. Was it the one with two “ck”s in the middle?
The media has steered clear of Phelps because it would require filming articulate glbt citizens for “an opposing view.”
You really think so?
ianalc I am not a law clerk but.. I can’t trust this Supreme Court fooling around with our amendments.
TRex, I do agree that these are terrible people who are inflicting pain on those who have already suffered a loss, but I don’t think I disagree with the ACLU on this one. It’s shameful and wrong but I don’t see how you can constitutionally prohibit it.
Sorry, forgot to ref comment #; that was regarding Morris’s #61 re CSNY @ HB.
Homosexuality is an abomination against the LORD. You sin at your own risk.
I just posted 2 comments…where’d they go?
angie @10:21
all batteries die around me, Morris S.
Don’t feel bad, everywhere I’ve lived has had major plumbing problems or major leaky roofs hehe. I’m the Water God!
KingCranky #70: Brilliant! Wherever Phelps is going to be set up a pledge drive and make sure Phelps knows that every minute he spends protesting is money for causes he hates.
Eli?
angie
I know I was being snarky, but we all do have weak electrical fields surounding us as our nervous systems operate on electrical impulses and there is some possibility these fields have effects on our surroundings. It has been well established that electrical or magnetic fields do affect human and animal behavior and metabolism. My brother actually has a PhD. in physics and his specialty is bioelectromagnetics. He is an internationally respected expert and he assures me he’s not actually certain about anything.
I seek the rational solution, usually, but I have a similar problem with watches, MS. After 50 years, I’ve given up. Besides, asking people if they “have the time” has led to a few pleasant interactions through the years. *g*
On the other hand, sometimes the duck is a duck. Long ago, in the Nixon Administration, a friend of my mom’s was active in one of the POW/MIA groups. You may recall there were two back then — one supportive of the President and his War, one not. Well, my mom’s friend was active in the not-so-supportive group, let’s just say.
And she went on and on about how her phone was tapped, and there were cars parked outside her house, and cars followed her — and my mom and I laughed. We were new to DeeCee and its ways then. Now, of course, enough has come out about the Nixonite’s monitoring of his enemies that we think my mom’s friend was probably right about all that.
So, HSaT, probably what you think happened, happened. It’s just that there’s little recourse in our world today for what happened, and less satisfaction to be found than is right. But, if you believe it, I believe it. Because they can, and therefore (we’ve learned) they will.
Stay safe, stay alert, take ordinary and extraordinary precautions as you see fit — but while we are here to hear you about it, I will caution you that even in this day and age, these stories will quickly brand one as “kookie” or somesuch. Totally unfairly, given it’s probably what happened, but not the kind of thing you may want to be sharing with everyone at Drinking Liberally. I don’t want to see your support groups start to back away….
Now, here at the lake, LateNite, we’re totally down for hearing more and supporting you as best we can! And I do hope you are taking care.
the generalized ether of hyperspace and distorting the space-time continuum
Ether? Are you kidding me? There is no ether in space, my universe or this one. Hunter Thompson’s trunk, that’s another story.
Good lawsuits by the way. And no, most likely the father will not have to pay, it will be on contingency or free.
But you get 1. intentional infliction of emotional distress, and 2. false light. I don’t know if you can throw in invasion/intrusion of privacy, you might be able to, but it doesn’t matter, the first two are strong.
A friend of mine knows one of the families here in Indiana that was protested by Phelps’ group when their son died in Iraq that prompted their local IN House representative to write that legislation that Gov. Mitch Daniels signed into law.
This is one issue I found on the agenda this year from the GOP that I wholeheartedly supported. Even the GOoPers can get one right every so often.
King Kranky - maybe we could just bring in the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. Are they still around?
Yeah, I like KingCranky’s idea. Make sure the Fulsome Fred knows he is generating more support for everything he hates. Of course, he’s nuts, so it’s not like it’ll stop him; it’ll only feed his sense of victimization. But it’s a good way to protest him nonetheless.
Maybe we can buy the lots surrounding his compound, and fill them with billboards promoting the gay lifestyle hehe.
Thanks, EPU, for entering the non-”ether”! I just called, and there you were.
Two words for that buy up the land around his compound idea: bath house.
Are the Sisters still around? I made out with a pretty one with green lipstick just this afternoon at the Dore Alley Fair!
http://www.thesisters.org/
Thanks Teddy. I’m pretty far past , “what other people think” mostly because I think what they think is nonsense or bull oftentimes. I certainly want to be taken seriously, but at what cost? There are some many areas where we supress our ‘right-mindedness’ and succumb to ’social correctness’. Ever seen some beat their child in a public place? I don’t mean a swat on the heiny, but actual physical abuse. I have. And I intervened. But mostly we don’t. We are silently appalled and do nothing.
Kurt - If that was you who posted the Henry Miller link earlier today. Thanks. *s*
Dude. Am I just late to the party that Mel Gibson has been arrested on terrorism charges by homeland security?
http://www.bbclosangeles.com/B.....rorism.htm
TRex #95, that’s not the Beeb, that’s a spoof.
The 1st Amendment is not a free pass for any and all speech or conduct; never has been. And no, in this instance it would not protect the protesters. Think of it this way - they certainly have a right to say what they want and think what they want (no matter how insane), but that does not mean that they have the right to say it whenever and/or whereever they want - and that has always been the law.
HAHA, Bullshit Broadcasting Confederation of Los Angeles, lol. Nice spoof page though - Mel Gibson a terrorist. Sad part is no one is gonna notice its a spoof site in Right Blogtopia.
where did my other comments go?
Rexie I waxed poetic about your lovely, angry post. and they have diappeared. I’m gonna need my medication increased. Sheesh.
I’m so disappointed.
Is that BBC article on any other wire service?
Can I get anyone anything? Getting myself a nice glass of pinot grigio
Its ok TRex, I once got fooled by a fake Drudge Report site with Matt Drudge’s “confession” that he was paid to dig up that Newsweek story about Monica that set off Big Dog’s troubles. I even wrote about it on my website at the time (pre blog days, it took effort to write an article and design a page then post it to your own site back then.)
Got me going, too, TRex, last thread, about Holy Mel. Oh, well, I suppose it could still happen.
Yeah, HSaT, I had to ask a lady around the corner who was getting pushed around by some punk if she wanted me to call 911 this evening — I think I gave her the courage to walk away and he sure didn’t have the manliness to follow, so yes I understand about intervening when I see real injustice.
I try to choose my battles, with an endgame in sight, although I talk much better chess than I counsel or actually play!
And on Phelps, I’m with leaving the First Amendment alone during this particularly dark period. I’m not really willing to let Roberts’ posse decide about speech zone laws, speech zones, or (for that matter) speech at all. Let the bikers sort it out, or send Angels to create corridors of light, like they did at Gwen Araujo’s funeral, to screen the haters.
Haters will always hate, and their voices, filled with hate, will always find a way to be heard. We, though, must learn to hear but not listen to the hate.
Heh I was lookin for Sister Vida Boheme on Teddy’s link. Oh Vida, why hast thou forsaken us!
EPU @ 101
It’s a well done spoof site created by the Bullshit Broadcasting Confederation of Los Angeles. The Onion with more of a straight face in other words.
God ,the Sister of Perpetual Indulgence have the names…
sister Bea Attitude
sister Ann R. Key
sister Holly Lewya
sistersybil Libertease
You gotta love them…
Evil Parallel Universe at 85
Ether? Are you kidding me?
Of course I’m not kidding you. Actually I was kidding HopeSpringsATurtle.
TSF, what are “corridors of light”?
For those who missed the Marys Moment, rant of the day here at FDL….
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-213783
HSaT, I’d like a little pinot grigio, thank you! TRex, you going out yet?