Bush and his Middle East Crisis Management team:

REUTERS
Week ending 7/29/06:
If this week proved anything it was that Bush is to Middle East diplomacy what Ted Bundy was to blind dates. Only without the social skills . . . or boyish good looks.
You have to work pretty hard at being such a foreign policy trainwreck that Hezbollah comes off as the voice of reason. But then again, when your numero uno priority is getting back to the White House for photo ops with the Future Farmers of America and the finalists from "American Idol," I suppose all the dead bodies piling up in Tyre, Qana, and Haifa really just symbolize to you the region’s march to a Western-style democracy. As Bush the Fantasist has told us over and over and over: "When the Middle East grows in liberty and democracy, it will also grow in peace, and that will make America and all free nations more secure."
Hey, Johnny Appleseed, here’s a gardening tip: too much "Miracle Blo" burns the soil AND the plants, leaving you with a barren wasteland. Y’know, kind of like the pig farm that is your soul.
In other news:
Roy Edroso tells Ann Althouse and her "Law Professors for Totalitarianism" posse (I said "posse" – keep it clean, people) that criticizing Israel for its questionable "peacemaking" strategy isn’t anti-Semitic just because it’s the Left making the assertion.
The irony of the Rapturists praying for Israel and the death of the last Jew is not lost on Salvage at Hairy Fish Nuts.
Driftglass explains the tactics behind Bush’s Middle East negotiations, and Morse presents an educational public service announcement, Media Needle style.
Swopa at Needlenose deconstructs the Bush-Blair presser. And the dogs come running.
Bombs over Beirut? Now’s the perfect time for a glass of lemonade with No More Mister Nice Blog!
While Bush was FedExing bombs to Israel, Arlen "Mr. Lubner" Specter was drafting legislation that would allow Congress to sue the President for his zealous representation of his own interests. Greg at The Talent Show assuages any fears you might have that Specter will actually follow through on any of this.
Because you’re reading this blog, you’re very much aware that Ned Lamont is challenging Senator Droopy Dog for his Senate seat. And you know that the New York Times . . . the NEW YORK TIMES, people! . . . has endorsed Ned Lamont. Billmon gives us the other headlines from today’s paper.
By the way, Attaturk was watching QVC the other night, and saw that Lieberman is branching out into the sale of medical devices.
Are you a wingnut? You’re not sure? Take Norbizness’ multiple choice test and learn, once and for all, whether you’re a grunt with the 101st Keyboard Kommandos.
And yes, the Editors have come through with more funny cat videos. Why I eyes ya!
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first?
watertiger!
Ned!
McCloud!
Oh. My. I could have had the prized “0″ if I’d not gotten wrapped up in reading all the goodies that watertiger linked!
Must get my priorities straight!
Re: picture – American Idol meets Idle American*
*I use the term ‘American’ loosely
The photos from Israel’s latest atrocity are sickening.
You’ve been warned.
I managed to avoid Taylor Hicks’ses “singing” until that Ford commercial.
Join me, America, in boycotting Ford Motor Company. In your hearts, you know I’m right.
I am outraged by Israel’s killing of 60 or more civilians, including many children, in Lebanon. I am outraged by Hezbollah’s practice of hiding among civilians as it stages its attacks on Israel, that makes this kind of thing more likely to happen. I am outraged by the Bush administration’s refusal to demand an immediate ceasefire because it might imply some kind of criticism of Israel’s aggression. I am outraged and I do not know who to blame.
Jim @ 8,
He doesn’t sound particularly “soulful” to me.
Then again, I don’t watch Fox.
EPU’d from last thread.
A tragedy in Seattle last Friday brings Jews and Muslims together in solidarity.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c…..on30m.html
When all is seems doomed to failure, we can always provoke North Korea.
We gotta get one in the win column sometime before the 2006 elections.
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/200…..7/28.htm#9
-GSD
American Idol meets American Idiot.
-GSD
I have a message from zennurse, whom I just talked you. She says to tell all fdl lambshers that she’s well and misses/loves you all.
Her computer is not feeling well, but she hopes to get it back from the geeks soon. In the meantime, she’s got a lead on a temp replacement, which we’ll try to get working tomorrow. I let her know she’s sorely missed here.
“He doesn’t sound particularly “soulful” to me.
Then again, I don’t watch Fox.”
It’s Brit Hume Soul. He and Mort Kondracke do a version of Rubba Biskit at the al-Foxeera Christmas Party and Talent Show. Greta Van Susternan thinks it’s so funny, she wishes she could move her face to laugh.
GSD – i think ‘idiot’ is too kind
Bush sure does love photo ops, doesn’t he? Why doesn’t he have his photo taken with a bunch of dead, mangled bodies of children in the Middle East? I bet that would get him some attention.
thanks scarecrow
What, me worry?? Except Mad’s cheerleader has a decent soul.
that first kitty does a great impression of the Liebushman campaign to date
Rayne #5:
It’s really not a biggie. Heck, I get referred to as a “big zero” all the time even though I’ve only done it on FDL once.
Jim #8:
Have you seen Ford’s financials lately? Apparently there’s already a highly successful boycott of Ford products by Americans from all walks of life.
WTF? I’m famous. Well alrighty.
Take that demons who live under my bed!
Just in case anyone missed it: Attaturk’s The Douchebag Suite, a brief photo-essay.
pol — African-Americans tend to be overwhelmingly religious and overwhelmingly Democratic with no perceived inconsistencies whatsoever…
*ilson
I’m not African-American, but “overwhelmingly religious and overwhelmingly Democratic” works for me. And I don’t see any inconsistency with it either . . .
;)
Face the Snark?
Sad to say, there is not much in the news that brings on that ol’ time snarky satisfaction. It’s more like waking from an air condiditioned dream, to find one’s self being shoved into a blast furnace.
missing zenn — thanks, scarecrow!
Hey, thanks Watertiger.
I can now see AND walk.
Take that demons who live under my bed!
Demons to Driftglass: S’okay — we’ll be here; waiting . . .
the cat videos are killer . . . I am still laughing!
US urges Israeli “restraint” after Qana bombing.
*Snark quote: My GOD, How can they urge restraint on terrorists?
Isn’t that what most rational actors have been saying and the US was pooh-poohing for the past 18 days? Now the US urges restraint? What a bunch of fucking flip-floppers.
I never knew I was going to witness the death of America at the hands of incompetent idealogues.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..MlJVRPUCUl
-GSD
Peterr — as you know, there’s so much anguish and gnashing of teeth about how Democrats dont recognize religious elements — Black politicians quote the Bible a lot more than the Federalist Papers or Thomas Jefferson …
Sad to say that it’s true – hard to get snarky about current events.
Doesn’t mean I won’t try… ;-)
Billmon picks up some more of today’s Gideon Levy column in Ha’aretz.
http://billmon.org/archives/002597.html
Almost sounds like Freud after the Nazis came to power, that Thanatos was eclipsing Eros in the human pshcye. Let it not be so.
Frankly I think we’d be better off with Clay Aiken as our Secretary of State.
He could always threaten to start performing in front of the Israelis, Hezbollah, etc. if they didn’t start playing nice.
Oh, and of course Kathy Griffin as Preznit.
Pat Buchanan says on “The McLaughlin Group” (on PBS) that the Israeli’s have killed 20 in Lebanon for every Israeli killed. Buchanan goes on to say it’s 3:1 that Liberman will NOT be returning to the Senate after the upcoming election. I’ve never before read or heard anything on which I have agreed with Pat Buchanan. And for this. I am astonished. At myself.
drifty,
that whole ‘demons’ thing might be my fault – have been sending all your pieces about him to David Brooks – someone busy hacking away with crap like “rabid-venomous lambs” may have completely lost it and sent ya those gobelins upon reading your gorgeous prose
ssshhh neuro
I am outraged and I do not know who to blame
If Rove sees that he’ll think he’s got you primed to vote Republican and blame Michael Mooore.
Oh, man, at first I thought this post was published by Reuters and that I had entered an alternate universe. It was really nice there, while it lasted, by the way. Now, back to grim reality!
Oklahoma kiddo
” I’ve never before read or heard anything on which I have agreed with Pat Buchanan.”
I have read or heard Pat Buchanan say several things lately on which I agreed with him–or at least I agreed more with him than with the Bushians. Could it be that the insanity of Bushworld is causing Buchanan to evolve before our eyes into something approaching human?
al-Scooter @ 12:35 pm (#34) – Sounds like the U.S. just prior to the start of the Iraq War. Of course, we know what enlightened decision-making came out of that intellectual environment.
In today’s Orwellian world, one of the barf bag ironies that passes for snark — the facts as they are, rather than how they are reported:
“Today, Preznit Clusterfuck threw a tantrum because the IDF shelved Operation on to Damascus, and Hezbollah has emerged as a stabilizing and unifying force in Lebanon. They have offered cease fire terms which caused several heads to explode in the Israeli Cabinet.”
Has anyone heard the much used talking point that “Iran provoked this war” to get the news of their nuclear program off the front page?
Frankly, I think a more realistic talking point would be that America provoked this to get the Iraq war off the front page. You know so that people won’t be reading these stories:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..marines_dc
-GSD
neuro & Mary
Blame is easy – it’s accountability that’s hard.
I guess the other possibility is that the insanity of Bushworld is reaching such new extremes that Buchanan looks rational and moderate by comparison.
Hey watertiger, thanks for an as per usual great post. Jesus’ General’s photo of what I presume is Sgt. Mark Vecchione’s Mom and widow really broke me up.
the “Iranian Fomented Distraction” story was being pushed hard early in this kerfuffle but it’s kinda quieted down hasnt it?
Have been watching the T.V. and the constant horrible images. But we have us another post-Katrina like — reporters are actually reporting facts — moment. They are talking about all the dead and towns being deserted and the home base t.v. anchor is asking ‘but, but weren’t there bad guys hiding in those houses’? The reporters are saying ‘well Israel says there was, but…’.
Israel is spinning as hard as it can with lots of people, especially that Francona guy on MSNBC saying Israel needs another 14 days to get rid of those rockets. The reporter says they have been bombing ‘rocket sites’ for 14 days and the rockets have increased into Israel. They are not even been hindering rocket attacks, let alone stop them. Hard to come up with an answer for the talking [paid republican shill] anchors.
And,as Bush plays on, President Cheney–I mean VP Cheney continues working with the neocons to make decisions for the “decider”.
Booman had an interesting post about the meeting in Beaver Creek, CO on June 16. Cheney, Netenyu and possibly Rumsfeld were present.
Beaver Creek: Road to Armageddon
Snip:
“…Cheney and Netanyahu (and possibly Rumsfeld) met in mid-June to discuss how to address the threat of Iran going forward. Then Netanyahu met with Olmert, Barak, and Peres to convey America’s thinking. And now we are expected to believe that the attack on Hezbollah (Iran’s proxy) was the result of a cross-border incursion and not a pre-planned and coordinated policy of the United States and Israel. I don’t believe it. Do you?”…
Snip: … “The Beaver Creek meeting was hosted by William Kristol’s American Enterprise Institute, and they are now looking to derail any diplomatic solutions to the crisis in Lebanon. Their target is Condoleezza Rice…”
Nope, I don’t believe that it wasn’t preplanned and with Cheney & crew being right in the middle of it all.
Please forgive bad grammar in my #48 comment. I do know how to write grammatical sentences. But my keyboard and my kitty sitting with his paws hanging down pawing at my moving fingers, do not.
scarecrow, thank you so much. I have been thinking of zen frequently. I am happy to hear that it is a pc issue and not something else. Zen has also been great about linking FDL’ers to watertiger, so it’s so appropriate you would mention it on this thread.
“…causing Buchanan to evolve…” if so: “Strange days have found us”. (from a Doors tune)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5229762.stm
Whether or not Iran was a behind the scenes prime mover of this unfolding disaster, they are definitely the beneficiaries.
Everything Commander Codpiece has done in the Middle East has accrued to Iran’s benefit — you’d think that Chalabi’s INC had been infiltrated by Iranian spies.
Oh, wait — they were . . .
grandmatoo at $49, nope — not much unplanned happens with this bunch. Israel is our surrogate in starting this and the world knows it. Hence the FedEx’ed bombs being sent. Once bombs starting going off in Syria (oops accidental so sorry screams Israel) and syria responds — well there you have their most hoped for war. Right before elections.
shoephone – that’s a regenerating article. I don’t mean to be sexist, but the part about when women get together they can work across faith lines — I think that’s why so many fundamentalists are so anti-women. Having voices that focus on resolving with everyone’s children alive and families whole, even if it means sharing wealth or geography, robs those sects of the hate they need to thrive.
I’ll admit women have to claim Rice and Coulter (I’m mostly sure) and men get to retort with Ghandi and Hugh Thompson, Jr.
But in general I think fundamentalism squelches womens voices in self defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
driftglass – you are famous to me, whether it is demons or dustbunnies under your bed. Even if it’s Rude Pundit (which might not exclude either of the other two categories *g*).
GrandmaJ & grandmatoo –
This is why Iran has the power to stop this disaster cold. All they have to do is step on the oil catheter that’s tied into Cheney’s veins, and the animatronic sack-of-hate will disintegrate before our eyes.
John C and Teddy SF, others: — I’ll pass that on, as I’ll see zen tomorrow when we try to get the temp on line. With any luck, she should be checking in tomorrow nite or Tuesday.
For some truly shocking and faith shattering images.
This is our world folks. Congratulations Condi, George, Deadeye Dick, Rummy, David Brooks, Michael Ledeen, Richard Perle.
*Be warned, graphic images of death.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/News archives/2006 News Archives/July/18 n/Graphic Pictures of Massacred Ter Hafra Southern Lebanese Children.htm
OT–
Let the users die. Vile policy:
In the wake of more than 400 deaths nationwide from heroin laced with the painkiller fentanyl, some needle exchange programs are giving addicts prescriptions for a drug to keep on hand to halt an overdose.
…
But others say naloxone is best administered by trained paramedics and that the prescription approach might appear to condone drug use.
Why is this even a debate?
Presidential adviser Karl Rove said Saturday that journalists often criticize political professionals because they want to draw attention away from the “corrosive role” their own coverage plays in politics and government.
Buchanon said flat out in print before the elections that Bush was terribly, horribly wrong on Iraq. Wrong wrong wrong.
Then he encouraged Republicans to vote for him anyway because it was a worse thing to vote for a Democrat than to start an unprovoked senseless war of aggression that was damaging our country and being entrusted to idiocy and a oija board to guide it.
I think the people who knew and refused to be responsible may be the worst, but then, I also think quite a few of those who are still selling the snake oil know and knew, but are still weaving the lies.
So maybe there is still one category lower.
GrandmaJ,
Francona is the very definition of ‘tool’ – he has been well compensated to be a 100% wrong on everything Middle Eastern
met him long time ago on the eve of the Iranian Revolution – sitting in Tehran Inter-Continental Hotel with a gaggle of USAID(spooks),USAF guys, and some Iranian military (SAVAK) – assuring me not to worry my pretty little head about some ‘outside rabble’ – “the Shah’s Peacock Throne was secure”. Listening to that little voice in the gut, and not US experts, I later held an entire crew in an Istanbul hotel and declined the return trip – idiots
whenever my hubster sees the retired military talking heads, he always muses if they’re so badass, why did they stop at Lt. Col. ? -lol
oops, here’s the link for my #61:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI…..index.html
By the by, here’s what Bush means when he says he’s considering closing Gitmo:
The controversy over the US-run detention centre at Guantanamo Bay is to erupt anew with confirmation by the Pentagon that a new, permanent prison will open in the Cuban enclave in the next few weeks.
Camp 6, a state-of-the-art maximum-security jail built by a Halliburton subsidiary, will be able to hold 200 prisoners.
“I’ll admit women have to claim Rice and Coulter (I’m mostly sure) and men get to retort with Ghandi and Hugh Thompson, Jr.”:
From wikipedia and in the absolute finest tradition of the U.S. military…“
Born in Atlanta, Georgia, Thompson joined the US Navy in 1961 — then US Army in 1966 and trained as a helicopter pilot. He volunteered for the Aerial Scout Unit and assigned to Task Force Barker to fly over Vietnamese forests and try to draw enemy fire to pinpoint the location of troops. Serving as one door-gunner, his Crew Chief was Glenn Andreotta and his other door-gunner was Spc Lawrence Colburn, both of whom would later receive recognition for heroism for their role at My Lai, though Andreotta died three weeks after the event.
After coming across the dead bodies of Vietnamese civilians outside My Lai on March 16, 1968, Thompson set down their OH-23 and the three men began setting green smoke markers by the prone bodies of the Vietnamese civilians who appeared to still be alive to call in medical assistance. Returning to the helicopter however, they saw Captain Ernest Medina run forward and begin shooting the wounded who had been marked – and the three men moved their ship back over the village where Thompson confronted Lt. Stephen Brooks who was preparing to blow up a hut full of wounded Vietnamese; he left Andreotta and Colburn to cover the company with their heavy machine guns and orders to fire on any American who refused the orders to halt the massacre. None of the officers dared to disobey him, even though (as a warrant officer) Thompson was outranked by the commissioned lieutenants present. Colburn later recounted the following dialogue.[1]
Thompson: Let’s get these people out of this bunker and get ‘em out of here.
Brooks: We’ll get ‘em out with hand grenades.
Thompson: I can do better than that. Keep your people in place. My guns are on you.
Thompson then ordered two other helicopters (one piloted by Dan Millians) flying nearby to serve as a medevac for the 11 wounded Vietnamese. While flying away from the village, Andreotta spotted movement in an irrigation ditch, and the helicopter was again landed and a child was extracted from the bodies, and brought with the rest of the Vietnamese to the hospital at Quang Ngai.
Thompson subsequently reported the massacre, whilst it was still occurring, to his superiors. The cease-fire order was then given.”
Thanks Mary, my gender does not always receive such kindness as you routinely provide, which is kind of understandable given the real savageness of the ongoing history of sexism in the world. I’ll “see” your Hugh Thompson, Jr. and raise you a Rosa Parks.
Gawd, watertiger, you done it again. Thought I’d start easy-like, with the cat videos, and work my way up in complexity to the d r i f t y area. … But I may have to put the next phase of that project off a bit. Think I broke various ribs just over the cats, nemmind their commenters. Sample:
Someone must warn Tai Shan!
Israel had been preparing for this invasion since their pull-out in 2000, when it became obvious no one was going to stop Hizbullah from stockpiling Katyushas. They prepped for every contingency, and responded with an operation they knew would work. Except it didn’t. The IDF was shocked by Hizbullah’s ability to throw them back on ground they knew every inch of. This action will be intensively analyzed in military colleges all over the world, and there is only one sensible conclusion that can be drawn: the best blitzkrieg army in the world was beaten by guerillas, and Israel narrowly (so far) avoided being trapped into an even more expensive sitzkrieg war like the US is stuck in. The age of the blitzkrieg army is over, and the age of militias has returned.
The immediate implications of Hizbullah’s victory are unclear, but it would appear that Olmert and the Israeli military are undergoing a crisis of confidence, and must be seriously mulling the following questions:
1) can Israel realistically execute the US plan to completely encircle Iran by closing it off from the eastern Mediterranean?
2) does a “no” answer above necessitate a direct strike on Iran’s nuclear capabilities with nuclear-tipped bunker-buster bombs which the US recently supplied?
3) if 2 is “yes”, then how bad is a wider war going to hurt when Russia further upgrades Iran’s weaponry?
In any case, the price of doing the US’s dirty work in the Mideast just went way, way up. Israel was beaten on the ground and stalemated in the air, which means that they can’t protect themselves against missile strikes. They severely miscalculated the protection their air power affords. Any of those missiles hitting Haifa or Tel Aviv could be nuclear.
It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that Israel must either undertake full-scale nuclear war on Iran or seek a diplomatic solution from a position of weakness. Long-term, any clear-headed leader would greatly prefer the latter. If I were an Israeli, I would be seriously questioning my military alliance with the Bush Administration. Israel is now more vulnerable than it has been at any point in its history, thanks to the Bush Administration’s fuck-ups. And as an American I know that supporting Israel, giving them nukes, and egging them on against Syria and Iran will surely lead to mushroom clouds in Israel, and probably then in our own cities. Mark my words: Russia and China will not sit idly by and watch their energy futures go up in smoke in the Mideast, and their leaders are far, far smarter than the sadistic imbeciles running our country.
the Preznit is making a statement on CNN. He expressed regrets over the loss of life and says he will work with the UN on a just and durable ceasefire.
George — call the damn bank and put a stop-order on those $3 billion in checks to Israel. That’ll get their attention! Call Fed-Ex and cancel the shipments of weapons to Israel!
the war’s over, Hezbollah won
what do we do now george ???
*ilson46201 69 – was that before or after the annual White House tee-ball game?
“says he will work with the UN on a just and durable ceasefire”
“Peace With Honor”
Rorschach, I am so sorry!
I took so long writing I found myself once again warped into the EP Universe, and missed the melancholy end of your story.
Humanity’s capacity for gratuitous cruelty never fails to astound me, but never surprises me, though the lunacy that is unfolding Lebanon has broken my horror meter.
Then I come here, or listen to Beethoven, or read about the work of Doctors Without Borders or the other efforts to atone for our conspecifics’ awfulness, and the thing with feathers alights upon my heart again.
the war’s over, Hezbollah won
what do we do now george ???
That brush over by Crawford’s looking mighty thick!
Is “work with the UN on a just and durable ceasefire” code for “we won’t do shit until this decades-long conflict resolves itself” or does it just mean “we won’t do shit until Israel decides to stop attacking Lebanon?
No worries, Hypatia.
Prof. Juan Cole at Informed Comment http://www.juancole.com/2006/0…..i-war.html
Key from above :
They maintain that rocket launching sites are embedded in these villages. But since Hizbullah keeps firing large numbers of rockets, it does not actually appear to be the case that the Israelis are hitting the rocket launchers.
CNN just announced that “Mr. Bush is the first Little Leaguer to become President.”
That’s reassuring.
here’s a little song what we made:
Nedrenaline!
neuro #75:
Last we heard, Olmert wants another 10-14 days for his little housecleaning expedition. We’ll gradually begin to get serious (or as serious as we can get without actually changing policy) starting in about a week or so.
Until then, look for more stall-and-spin pirouette.
Earlier on KPFK, Ian Masters interviewed an Isreali journalist from Ha’aretz who thought that diplomacy was by no means over and that Condi could be woking with the Euros and Isrealis to put something together. We’ll see.
*ilson46201 @ 1:27 pm (#78) – All the rockets I’ve seen that have been identified as part of Hezbollah’s arsenal are katyushas – truck-borne unguided rockets. This means that any house with a driveway pointed in the general direction of Israel is a potential launching site.
The last of the cat videos was anything but funny. Poor cat was berserk with terror, and the man holding him did everything wrong.
The Rove thing on reporters made me laugh. Do I smell fear?
We are at that point in the movie where the dragon slayers (or ghostbusters or whatever) have unleashed their most potent weapon on the monster, with no effect — and everyone, including the monster, knows it.
‘What do we do now, Tonto?’
JohnC – I’ll see that with a MLK. *g* There are lots of very good guys around – they just don’t get the press.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Following up on Rorschach’s link:
You won’t see this story handled this way by WaPo. The new jail in Gitmo. You wonder if they are worried about being kicked out of rendition prisons and are going to just murder or transport what they have left to GITMO, especially if the Italian investigation gets worse for them.
But don’t worry, whatever happens it will be legal. This guy named Bradbury says so. Not this one http://www.raybradbury.com/ this one http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind……_Bradbury . Although I can understand how you might mix up a science fiction writer and a lawyer in DOJ.
The story:
http://news.independent.co.uk/…..204499.ece
New maximum-security jail to open at Guantanamo Bay
Does the subheading count as “snark?”
Far from winding down, the controversial US detention centre is expanding
I’m in a bit of a funk on the snark front. And is this part snark or just a shake of the head at how pathetically morally corrupt we’ve become when the Brits dredge up this notveryold official statement of the President of the United States?
Speaking in the Rose Garden in June following the suicide of three prisoners, Mr Bush said: “I’d like to close Guantanamo, but I also recognize that we’re holding some people that are darn dangerous, and that we better have a plan to deal with them in our courts.”
Thanks Marclord at 1:10.
rorschach 74 – there’s brush at the White House that needs clearing too.
‘What do we do now, Tonto?’
What do you mean “we” white man?
I think that “just and durable” language is there to provide Bush plenty of wiggle room. If a ceasefire is endorsed by the rest of the world, he can decline to support it either because it is not “just” (not pro-Israel enough) or “durable” (a permanent solution that may take decades more to negotiate, kind of like in Iraq). But meanwhile, he can continue to claim to be seeking a ceasefire.
By the way, I am not anti-Semitic or even anti-Israel. I think this latest slaughter has just temporarily tilted my perspective a little. It is hard to justify.
Bush just said that “our sympathy goes out to those who have lost their lives today.”
I think it’s a little late for “sympathy” to do them much good.
“I’ll see that with a MLK. *g* There are lots of very good guys around – they just don’t get the press.”
I fold. :)
MarcLord #68. It does look like Israel’s gotten itself (& the region) into a no win situation.
But, not to worry, Cheney & his neocons have a plan: … “Ledeen, writing in the National Review on July 13th, could hardly restrain himself. ‘Faster, please,’ he urged the White House, arguing that the war should now be taken over by the U.S. military and expanded across the entire region….’ ” –boomantribune.com (linked at my #49 comment).
Neurophius #79: It’s too bad we can’t pull him from the big league right now & send him back to the little league; or to Crawford to cut brush again–those were the good old days–I liked it much better when I didn’t have to see & hear him make idiot statements on TV multiple times daily.
grandmatoo
“I liked it much better when I didn’t have to see & hear him make idiot statements on TV multiple times daily”
So did I. I have turned off my TV. No more minute-by-minute idiocy updates, at least for now.
neurophius @ 1:36 pm (#89) – My opinion has gradually changed on this issue. Over the last decade or so the Israelis have become increasingly callous about their dealings with their neighbors. They are the predominate military power in the region now, which makes it hard to think of them as the underdogs just trying to survive. I’m not I’m anti-Israel yet, but if they don’t acquire a sense of proportion I’m going to be there someday.
As for the anti-semitic label, to me it’s becoming increasingly easy to ignore. It’s used far more nowadays by people who’d rather label the folks who disagree with them than to argue the merits of Israel’s actions. It’s hard to blame them under the circumstances.
‘She’s got Prada boots, a Chanel suit
You know diplomacy is such a scene, whoa-oh’
…But K-K-K-Condi’s a puppet
;>)
Forgive me if this has been covered (our internets were out today until just now) but Josh Marshall is reporting a story about Israel being in serious talks with Syria as to how it doesn’t want to expand the war and also mentions the US pressuring Israel to attack Syria.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com
Oklahoma kiddo, for you:
The Doors
Strange Days
Strange days have found us
Strange days have tracked us down
Theyre going to destroy
Our casual joys
We shall go on playing
Or find a new town
Yeah!
Strange eyes fill strange rooms
Voices will signal their tired end
The hostess is grinning
Her guests sleep from sinning
Hear me talk of sin
And you know this is it
Yeah!
Strange days have found us
And through their strange hours
We linger alone
Bodies confused
Memories misused
As we run from the day
To a strange night of stone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..arch=crash
and you’re little dog too,
No, I think you are the first to link to that today.
John Casper 1:36 pm — I don’t know which punch line I like better…that one, or “You’re gonna’ die.”
Heh.
Watertiger, see my take on that photo:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blo…..dol3.0.jpg
My new name for W.: American Doofus
OK,
This is amazing FOX, yep Fox, is reporting that the war by Isreal has completely backfired and that it has had th effect of INCREASING arab man in the street for Hezbollah. And that the attack on Qana has boomeranged bigtime and outrage against US, UN and Israel is going through the roof.
FDL book salon is up.
Wow. CNN reporting that Israel has announced a 48-hour suspension of air strikes. Does not appear to cover artillery shelling.
I have to remind myself that every time the media report on the range of the Hizbollah rockets, they do not mention that the range of the Iraeli aircraft covers the whole of Lebanon, and beyond. Non-parallel reporting takes it toll on our thinking about how each side perceives the other’s threats.
The anchor bunny from FOX is calling bullshit on the Israeli Defense Force spokesman. She is asking hard questions and giving him no quarter.
looseheadprop #101
Fox reported that???
I’m going to look out my window to see if pigs are flying…
FOX unable to confirm 48 cease fire. But says there has not been any sound of shelling for a couple hours so far
Breaking news from MSNBC: Official: Israel to suspend air assault in south Lebanon for 48 hours.
Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14100258/
Kofi Annan asked for a 72 hour ceasefire to get humaniatarian aid in and civilians out.
it’s NOT a ceasefire
it’s a “cesseation” of the bombing campaign
so that woudl mean that Israel is going to CEASE the activity of FIRING bombs into Lebennon
but it ain’t no ceasefire
these fuckers couldn’t spin any faster if the tried
that’s chicken noodle network for ya
Josh Marshall, linked at 1:54 above, says:
“…there do appear to be forces in Washington — seemingly the stronger ones, with Rice just a facade — who see this whole thing as an opportunity for a grand call of double or nothing to get out of the disaster they’ve created in the region. Go into Syria, maybe Iran. Try to roll the table once and for all. No failed war that a new war can’t solve.”
How can we stop them?
Mary, John C, Rayne et al.
Remarkable, isn’t it, that — wherever they are across the globe, including Bush’s USA — the more patriarchal a culture is, the more toxic to its own and neighboring peoples? Perfect correlation there.
Fox now reporting that Israel has not agreed to a ceasefire, but rather a 48 hour suspension of shelling.
Now the Fox person on the ground is saying it is only 24 hours suspension
24, 48, whatever — what’s the Hebrew for “UNCLE!”?
Now Fox is saying 24 hours for all of lebanon, 48 hours for southern lebanon
Israel has agreed to a ceasefire–agreed with whom? Are there conditions to its agreement?
Evidently
Israel bombed something chock full of civilians this AM and the shit has hit the fan.
Fox was reporting rioting, I think in Gaza.
Something seismic has changed the paradigm, but I just turned the TV on and really don’t get it yet
Officials: There ‘aren’t enough troops’ to fix problems in Iraq
Military says 3,700 more troops are headed to Baghdad
By Tom Lasseter
McClatchy Newspapers
BAGHDAD, Iraq – The Bush administration’s decision to move thousands of U.S. soldiers into Baghdad to quell sectarian warfare before it explodes into outright civil war underscores a problem that’s hindered the U.S. effort to rebuild Iraq from the beginning: There aren’t enough troops to do the job.
Many U.S. officials in Baghdad and in Washington privately concede the point. They say they’ve been forced to shuffle U.S. units from one part of the country to another for at least two years because there haven’t been enough soldiers and Marines to deal simultaneously with Sunni Muslim insurgents and Shiite militias; train Iraqi forces; and secure roads, power lines, border crossings and ammunition dumps.
[more]
You know how Tommy SixMonths made “Hama Rules” into a meme? Now Olmert has introduced “Cana Rules.” No improvement whatsoever.
Qana Rules, I guess it is.
lotus,
I think it’s just you and me. Ithink everyone else is doing book club
Here’s a bit on the situation in Palestine from Reuters: “Protesters storm UN compound in Gaza City”
lhp, it was a three story? apartment building in Lebanon. Israeli’s dropped leaflets, but the people were poor and didn’t have anywhere to go had they been able to afford the trip.
Lots of kids died from the concussion. Richard Engel saw the bodies and said they were intact, but bleeding from ears and mouth.
I’m here, looseheadprop. Multi-tasking, though. May not be saying much.
Israel bombed a building in southern Lebanon killing about 60 people, maybe more; maybe half are children. Apparently it was a residential building; Israel said it was aiming at a rocket launcher site nearby.
This seems to have provoked more than the usual amout of outrage over the past few days toward Israel. Rice cancelled a trip to Lebanon. Israel has announced a temporary ceasefire–24 or 48 hours? Reports differ.
Bush said, “darn dangerous”?????
watertiger at 4 – that “McCloud!” has made my day, Chief -
Fox
is reporting all kinds of backpedalling on the ceasefire/bombing suspension, all sorts of conditions
Hi all,
As far as I heard, Condi was cancelled by the Lebanese govt. Our last remaining eye has been blackened by the fist of people who no longer believe us.
done.
OT
Just went to use the fax in NYExH’s office to send some work into mine for early typing tomorrow (yep, been working al day on the couch)
Sitting in th eout tray is a draft press release from the NRCC indicating they are naming NYExH NY Republican of the year.
Yuck. Yuck and double yuck.
this morning my husband annouced that he was going to cancel our NYTimes subscription–they never should have endorsed Lamont–now NYExH is mad at them. *g*
llp
What does NYExH stand for?
707, lhp!!!
Wow, I’d a-bet ya $100 there wasn’t gonna be one of those available anywhere today!
There’s great sadness when so many innocent lives are being taken. Governments have become use to so much killing, that they no longer see what is truly happening. Let’s hope that the people of Lebanon realize that the people of the United States are as horrified as they are with the killing of innocent children and their parents.
nuero
Not Yet Ex Husband=NYExH
Amen, Hilda. But we’ll have to show them, not tell them, won’t we.
Hilda
I doubt it. All they know is that we “elected” this putz twice and that while we had no problem impeaching Clinton over a blowjob, we don’t seem to want to impeach the chimp.
Required reading for all those who consider themselves Republicans.
Conservatives Without Conscience
by John Dean
angie, yeah, I think Siniora told Condo to STFU.
From *ilson in the book thread:
“Israel Agrees To 48-Hour Aerial Activity Ban” LA Times.
“When the Middle East grows in liberty and democracy, it will also grow in peace, and that will make America and all free nations more secure.”
I used to think the implication of this was that domocratic nations are inherently more peaceful and less likely to wage war– like the U.S. and Israel for instance.
But I think this is Bush-speak for “If you’re a democratic puppet government friendly to the U.S., then you’re on our side and we are less likely to make war with you, or allow Israel to make war with you. You, know… peaceful-like.”
24 Hours — send in Jack Bauer, and he’ll end the war in Iraq, get a peace treaty signed, set off a few nukes, and have Cheney and Bush frog-marched by tomorrow morning!!!
lotus and looseheadprop,
The only thing I can think is to support Doctors Without Borders so that they can help attend to people. I don’t know how you tell others that a good deal of the country didn’t vote for Bush and doesn’t support him when it’s American-made bombs being dropped on them. It’s unbelievably sad.
The media have completely bought the “Hezbollah=Bad, Israel=Good” meme Bush put out there, lock, stock and barrel. And it doesn’t appear that a whole lot of people are going out of their way to question that. But I don’t know how any human being can view the perpetuation of that carnage on absolutely innocent people and not realize that it is indeed ethnic cleansing. No amount of yapping with a mouth full of buttered stale bread will temper that recognition. We are at an all time low as a nation.
Yes, Hilda, DWB gets all my charitable contributions.
We can and must and, I think now, WILL also show them with our next elections what we think of these fiends.
Y’know, kind of like the pig farm that is [Bush’s] soul.
Brilliant.
watertiger -
re ct videos – thanks, I needed that. Glasses still blurry from tears of laughter. My own funny puddy tats, somewhat alarmed at my loud, raucous laughter. And – what you said in the comments – (cat-on-baby action).
Now maybe I can stand to read the real-world stuff.
I heard a rep from Doctors Without Borders on the ground in Lebanon say that their work is now impossible as there are absolutely no corridors of movement for them to get to where they need to go. It was a very, very sad and helpless moment for all of them.
meta — this weekend it’s begun to sound much more like Hezbollah=Bad, Israel=Bad — at last.
Hilda
yu are a kind and gentle soul. I didn’t mean to sound bitter, but to the rest of the world, our actions speak much louder than our words.
Yhat’s why the Lamont thing is so important. It’s a way to show by action that we do not approve.
John Casper
I cannot picture my husband reading John Dean. First of all he was off on a screed this Am about the NYTimes being run be elitist intellectuals. That’s how he regards Dean.
He thinks Dick Cheney is the second coming of Christ. He loves to tell me that Cheney sees the world as it really is. And I am niave.
looseheadprop-
re your definition of NYexH – thanks, I have one of those, too, but I hadn’t deciphered your abbreviation yet. Useful term.
lhp, I had no idea NYExH is one of those. My God.
tejanarusa
We could start a club. the Not Yet Ex Wives club!
Or as i like to think of the “someday soon I’ll own my own life again” club
Prodded no doubt by Cheney and Rumsfeld, Israel just created a massive catrastrophe on its northern border. No electricity, no refrigeration, no clean water, no shelter, disease, complete breakdown in civil order.
Into this, Hezbollah supported by Iran will offer food and shelter. Unless Israel and the US can offer a better deal, I think a lot of hungry, displaced Lebanese are going to reappraise their view of Hezbollah.
As Friedman observed this am on Russert, Israel defeated the PLO and is now confronted with a much more lethal HAMAS, as the democratically elected majority of the PLO.
lotus
back in the days when we were still acting like a married couple and socailizing together, people would practically plead for invites to our parties, cause the talk was all politics all the time–and very peppery and entertaining.
BTW–he totally hid his political leanings from me until after we were married. When I asked why, he said “cause you NEVER would have dated me if you had known”
He was right
John C, DC and Tel Aviv aren’t good for each other. I bet you’ve known couples whose bond is that they bring out the worst in each other? That’s what we’re lookin’ at here.
Shez… 1:57 pm re: The Doors…
Don’t know if you’re still around, but thanks.
john Casper
that is exactly what FOX NEWS was saying this past hour.
I could not believe it. they were talking sense.
That bastard, lhp!
lhp –
Is the an awards dinner to go with that Man of the Year press release? If so, would his NYExW be attending? I don’t know that you could stomach the food itself, but the opportunities for snark would be quite something.
[imagine Morgan Freeman, narrating:] “Here are the males of the species, resplendent in their plumage. Note how they jockey for rank and position at the head table . . .
Or, if you’re lucky, the NYExH will just be ExH by then.
“He loves to tell me that Cheney sees the world as it really is.”
So, he believes it really was Harry Whittington’s fault that DeadEye shot him.
My heart goes out to you.
Detachment is very difficult. I wish you the best going forward and it is clear to me you are making the right choice.
lhp – wow, girl, that’s intense!
looseheadprop
I agree that actions are louder than words, but it would be nice to have something done now before more innocent children are killed. But I don’t know what that is — the lack of humanity and leadership is appalling.
No Peterr,
i don’t go to his political stuff and he doesn’t go to mine. We don’t socailize together.
We are at a stage where we are more like divorced folks who happen to be roomates.
He and littleprop went off tonight to have dinner with my stepdaughter (which works well for me cause I have to finish my brief)
Next weekend Little prop will be mine.
where did all these Hezbollians come from? Is there a Hezbollistan out there someplace? The media never explains…
These are indigenous Lebanese in Southern Lebanon who lived under Israeli occupation for 18 years from 1982 to 2000. That experience radicalized the population. When Israel was forced to withdraw, thousands of prisoners taken by the Occupation Forces remained in Israeli jails. That is the main demand made by Hezbollah: Return our Fathers, Brothers and Sons!
That 1982 Israeli invasion and occupation created their current nightmare…
Had no idea *ilson thankyou.
Actually he DOES think it is Wittington’s fault. NYEXH is a registered (with the FBI) markman in several weapons. he have me a huge rant about gun safety protocalls when I cracked wise about Ceney not being able to tell the differnce between a itty bitty bird and a big bad lawyer. Giggle.
it galls him, that I, who hate guns, and never practice am better than him at shooting skeet. Drives him nuts.
lhp -
I didn’t think so, but the image of you at an awards banquet like that just wouldn’t get out of my head. ;)
It sounds like you’re trying to figure out how to do this divorce thing right – and given your comment above about NYExH not disclosing his politics while dating, that sounds like a very wise thing to do. A “civil divorce” when kids are involved is a great thing.
If you can pull it off, Littleprop will thank you for it someday. In the meantime, enjoy next weekend!
*ilson
Hezbollians? Hezbollahstan?
707!!
John Casper
I have seen John Dean on several TV shows promoting CWC. It sounds like it might be good. Have you read it? Would it be a good book for FDL Book Salon?
Thankd Peterr,
I am trying to do a civilized divorce. It’s costing me every bit of equity in my life, but money you can do without or re-earn. Once you have messed up you kid, well….
After the tea cup smashes, you can crazy glue it back together again, but it willnever again be unbroken.
The most important thing is that littleprop remain unbroken.
lhp-at154 -
ah, I was wondering how it was you two ended up married. Actually, my NYexH and I are very much on the same page on politics (it’s the lving in the same space and spending the joint money we weren’t so good at), and we still talk on that subject frequently. He works with a lot of unthinking totally-against-their-low-paid-self-interest-Republicans. (but he has noticed they don’t brag about it they way they used to.LOL) Anyway, my sympathies.
from one NYexW to another.
neuro,
I have not.
It does sound excellent.
I don’t really feel qualified to judge whether it would be good for the FDL Book Salon, but after you brought it up, I had a thought. What if Jane and Christy had Dean on the “Salon” and that eventually led to Jane and Christy getting on Olbermann?
… just wait until the custody battle for Baby Mittens starts — it’ll be war !
tejana
everyone who knew me before I met him wonders how we wound up married. Younever met two people less alike.
He is, however, a wonder to behold on a rugby pitch. He is the most beautiful broken field runner you will ever see. And he has this nifty Masterpiece Theatre accent and excellent taste in opera.
*ilson
No custody battle. The place I want to move to does not allow dogs. baby mittens is all his.
I’m not moving that far away. Littleprop can see baby mittens as much as she wants.
If you’re losing equity, it sounds like skeet shooting isn’t the only thing you are a lot better at.
Maaaaany years ago, I gave up on trying to figure out anybody else’s attractions and relationships. (Or expecting anybody else to understand mine.)
I like the idea of Dean at the book salon
Dean “gets” the internet. He would be good. His is one of the voices that repeats phrases I first heard here.
I think both Dean and KO lurk here
Nor can I count anybody else’s money.
Anybody with any sense lurks here. As do many with none.
very wise Lotus.
but I always ran to a particular type. NYExH is totally contra my regular type. I think I should have stuck with looking for the highest and best example of “my” type.
As do many with none.
You rang?
progess not perfection
Well, I think I’ve made enough pithy pronouncements for now, so maybe I’ll wander into the kitchen and sort out supper instead . . .
al-scooter at 3:33
LMAO
Pithy you’re leaving!
Sorry, but Punaise doesn’t seem to be around, so…
*ilson at 3:15 pm – I can’t speak to its accuracy, but this is from the BBC earlier this week:
LHP –
I’m trying to picture the little old couple who sat behind you, trying to see around the rugby players . . . and that “don’t talk about politics until after the wedding” strategy could make for a great operatic plot line!
Speaking of upcoming events: Sunday after Labor Day: the SF Opera’s annual “Opera in the Park” – and it’s free!
OOOOOOO, al-Scoots. If I wadn’t leavin’ befo’, I sho is now!
*g*
John Casper:
Last night, the Marx Brothers. Today, Bob Denver.
Tonight, Soupy Sales?
“Proudly lowering the level of discourse since 2006.”
i’m watching on NH PBS – Ken Burn’s Thomas Jefferson. His 3 acccomplishments were intellectual; 1 the Constitution of the USA, 2, the charter of the commonwealth of VA? and 3, the University of Virginia. He felt that the ‘edge’ of his time would not be perpetrated in the coming generations. and he wanted to foster the real aristrocracy – not of birth into a family but that of talent.
How far we have (not) come.
I bet you can find an equally gifted broken field runner without the worship DeadEye thing. Not sure about the opera, though, might lose something there.
Peterr
What little old couple?
I met my husband at my first NY Rugby Referees Society meeting. Immediatly disliked him. He asked me out for 3 years before I would agree to have dinner with him.
The little old couple at the opera?
I can live without the athletic gifts. I actually prefer someone who tries earnestly despite apparent lack of natural talent.
Though I am glad that littleprop inherited his coordination.
The little old couple at the opera wuld not have any problem seeing over or around us. I am very short and my husband was a back when he was a player.
Or as we scrum players who labored away in the mud liked to say “a little skinny back, with a clean jersy”
I could do the “Soupy Shuffle” when I was five…
LHP –
I was imagining these two ruggers at the opera, and how you might possibly stand out amongst the other opera goers. It might be kind of hard for an older couple to see around some of the rugby folks I know.
I’m sure folks are still goin’ strong on the Book Salon thread, so I’ll just have to link the latest Billmon here:
http://billmon.org/archives/002598.html
Not with us.
My husband is a London School of Economics educated former proper english (by way of S. Africa) “banker in a bolwer” hat, tightly rolled umbrella and all.
He looks quite at home at the opera
[trying to picture the NYExH as a banker in a bowler with his brolly, stepping onto the pitch . . . ]
Nope. Can’t see it. Too many stereotypes crashing into each other here for me . . .
All I get is something like Pierce Brosnan at the end of the Thomas Crowne Affair, strolling into the musuem in his bowler to steal a painting for Rene Russo.
lhp, as you probaby already know, emptywheel is also a rugby player.
FOCUS anyone?
Our Shallow Idols
John Casper
No I didn’t know, But now I understand why she looks so familiar to me.
When I saw that Yearly Kos panel it drove me crazy trying to think where I had seen her before.
Thank you
Peterr,
You must be psychic, that’s one of his all tie favorite movies.
No, not as cute as Pierce.
More John Cleese
Well, shucks. Newly fulla linguine carbonara (with spinach!), I’s ready to pick up where I left off pronouncing. But with thunder now shaking the house, guess I better go with the better part of valor for now . . .
A gracious good evening to all.
‘night lotus
be safe
I’m still here. Anyone else?
The book discussion thread above appears to still be going on.
Al-Scooter links to Billmon so I don’t have to. Billmon seems to think there might be a backdoor ceasefire in the works. Who says the man is not an optimist.
I’m so out of the loop. I just found out that Mickey Spillane died two weeks ago.
Spillane: “I ain’t got fans. I got customers! And customers are my friends.”
The shock to me was that he (Spillane) had still been living so recently.
prostratedragon
Thanks for the link to the Billmon link. I hope he is correct.
How do you link to an FDL comment?
The number has an url—if you use a status line at the bottom of your browser, you should see it when you glide the cursor over the number. Probably you can copy the url to your clipboard by right-clicking on the number, at least if you’re using something mozilla-like.
Gee, technical writing is not easy!;>)
The photo showing Bush’s face mingling among the American Idol faces reminded me of the photo showing Bush at Mount Rushmore where he had his picture taken implying that his face should someday be carved on Mount Rushmore beside the other faces of our nation’s luminaries.
I know politicians like to do these photo-ops for improved-image (and polling number) purposes, but as a Christian, I’m not really into “Idol” worship, whether of politicians (like presidents) or television personalities or religious leaders or even of so-called holy books. I may respect them, but don’t ask me to bow down to any of them and worship them as “Idols.”
On the other hand, being an American Christian, I do place the U.S. Constitution and our Bill of Rights on a pedestal above all else, not necessarily to worship, but to make sure that nothing and no one tries to supplant our democratic freedoms with some other “Idol” they are worshipping in place of honoring and respecting our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
So, John Ashcroft did much, much more than cover up a naked breast when he ordered the veiling of the Goddess of Justice statue at the Justice Department. He, and his neo-con Republican pals, literally kicked the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights from their preeminent (pedestal) position in our liberal, democratic society and are busy trying to replace these “freedom documents” with their religious “Idols,” which they want us all to worship and bow to.
I’m not fooled. Our nation’s founders sought to establish the United States as a “safe harbor” from the world’s religious tyrannies…or any type of tyranny, for that matter.
Thus, the religious fools who are followers of George W. Bush can worship him as their “Idol,” but they better think twice before demanding that I, or any other freedom-loving American, bow down to them and their tyrannical religious agenda for America. They can worship their “Idols” all they want (hey, it’s a free society), but I’m not interested. And Bush can hold all the photo-ops he wants in his attempt to set himself up as an “Idol” to be worshipped, but I’m not fooled.
Our Constitution. Our Bill of Rights. Our inalienable rights as free, American citizens. Our right to be free from tyranny. As a Christian American and a Liberal Democrat, this is all that matters to me.
In fact, over thirty years ago, I served in the U.S. military to defend the right of all U.S. citizens to be free from whatever tyranny someone, anyone might be promoting to replace our inherent freedoms. Back then it was the Communist threat. Today it is a more domestic threat with religious fanatics trying to force their “Idols” onto the rest of us.
Tyranny is tyranny. Freedom is freedom. The problems in this world always arise when people start wrapping tyranny in freedom and then try to hard-sell what they are doing (the stripping of freedom from others) as somehow being in the best interests of everyone. Nope. Our founding fathers knew the difference.
Tyranny is tyranny. Freedom is freedom. And all dictatorial, authoritarian tyrants value their own freedom, but could give a damn about the freedom of others. And this is why I know that none of the religious followers of Bush and the neo-con Republicans are really Christian. Jesus Christ was NOT a dictatorial, authoritarian tyrant who only valued his own freedom at the expense of the freedom of everyone else. It was the Sanhedrin in the temple in Jerusalem and the Roman occupiers who held this distinction.
The Oracle:
Thank you for your thoughts. Very eloquent.
Still no new thread, unless my browser is hiding one from me…
neuro @ 5:23—on a PC, right click the comment number, copy the link, and paste it wherever you’d like.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-214204
OT – This should be great!
11:30pm/EDT Monday
Ned Lamont will be on the Colbert Report
http://nedlamont.com/blog/830/tivo-alert
CNN just put out some breaking news about the UN security council, I got distracted and did not hear it all, apparently they put out some kind of fairly weak statement if I understood it correctly, and may not pass a formal resolution for several days…
Did anyone else hear that?
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-214213
… and John Bolton cockily strolls off the UN Security Council floor, looking proud of himself for having stymied again stronger international action to cease hostilities …
hmmm. right click won’t give me a “copy” command; I tried “copy shortcut” and it copied, but it does not work for me (no. 221)…
*ilson
Did my 5:35 summarize their action accurately?
sadly yes, neuro
Score one for The Moustache.
neuro—your #221 link works for me. Took me to my 5:35 comment @ #218.
New thread
Your daily Ned
Oracle:
Yes, and amen, coming from one with a mainline-reformed type of background. C&L links to an article about a new line evangelical pastor who seems to be coming to the same convictions.
And let me hasten to add my opinion that politicians whose positions accord with general notions of ethics, such as we hear from the best words of our past and (too rarely) present leaders and find embodied in our highest laws, should not need to make special appeals to the religious on grounds of faith. These shared ethics are outcomes of some internal process in each of us whose details, under the Constitution, are left private.
Don’t be fooled by the appearance that Buchanen is starting to make sense — he’s just selling a book.
Oh my god! He’s hanging out and oops, it’s smaller than Bill’s.
I just wonder what Sharon’s position on this whole business would have been? And did he have a “stroke” because of it? I’m just sayin.
Of course Bush met with the “American Idol” finalists. They have better approval ratings that he does.
And they’ve received more votes.
Does anyone else see the irony here? Quick, which one is the leader of the most powerful nation in the free world and which one just walked off the stage of a talent contest?