
Some people in America have to work three jobs just to put food on the table and pay the bills…but, thanks to the Republican Leadership in the House of Representatives, Paris Hilton’s trust fund return just went up another $91 million (at 2 AM ET).
The Par-Tay Party is in the House! Go gop-ers, go gop-ers, who’s your girlfriend, who’s your girlfriend…
Here are some real family values: Americans who live on minimum wage have not had an increase in that pay for ten years — a decade at the same pay rate — while expenditures, especially costs on energy prices, have gone up, up, up. They are squeezing their budget every way you can think, just to survive, to feed their kids, to give them a decent home. And they are working their butts off — two and three jobs for each parent, leaving the kids hanging out quite a bit with grandma and grandpa, who get to enjoy their golden years by being permanent babysitters (who can’t afford both their prescription meds and food…but hey, who is counting…).
This year, the Republican-controlled Congress gave itself a pay raise — and passed a series of other tax breaks for the GOP’s lobbyist pals:
But there was GOP discontent, too. Some conservative in the House were unhappy about the minimum wage vote, while moderates in the party were restive about its being tied to cuts in the estate tax.
The GOP package would increase the wage from $5.15 to $7.25 per hour, phased in over the next three years.
It would also exempt $5 million of an individual’s estate, and $10 million of a couple’s, from estate taxes by 2015. Estates worth up to $25 million would be taxed at capital gains rates, currently 15 percent and scheduled to rise to 20 percent. Tax rates on the remainder of larger estates would fall to 30 percent by 2015.
The maneuver was aimed at defusing the wage hike as a campaign issue for Democrats while using the popularity of the increase to achieve the Republican Party’s longtime goal of permanently cutting estate taxes.
Besides the 10-year, $268 billion cut to the estate tax, the measure contains $38 billion in other tax cuts that enjoy widespread backing, such as the research-and-development tax credit.
Oh yeah, I got yer family values right here. It’s called "we don’t give a crap about you once you are out of the womb. It’s every man for himself, and I’m getting mine." More on the GOP’s Paris Hilton Poison Pill Estate Tax Maneuver from the LATimes and Forbes.
Classy.
You want to know what I think? Screw the estate tax. The GOP wants to play games, be fiscally irresponsible at the time when we are spending money like it is water in Iraq and in pork-filled earmarks? Fine. Screw them, and help the folks on minimum wage. And then, whent he Dems take back the House and the Senate, the Paris Hilton Gift Wrapped Par-tay Fund goes back to a sensible, reasonable level.
Handing off more money to people who already have more income in a week than most of the working poor see in a whole year? Smarmy. And if you don’t believe me, listen to Oprah Winfrey. (Yes, THAT Oprah Winfrey. Sure, she has some fundage now, but as a kid, she was more than familiar with the ramen noodle diet that I lived in college — and once you’ve been there, you should never, ever forget it.) Oprah did a show yeterday about living on minimum wage — and it was powerful stuff:
Thirty million Americans who work full time are living in poverty. The federal minimum wage in the United States is $5.15 an hour and has not been raised in almost 10 years.
Someone working full time at minimum wage earns $10,712 a year—that’s $8,000 less than what the government defines as poverty.
Why should you care? These are the very people we rely on every day. They are the teachers’ aides in your child’s classroom. They are caring for your aging parents in the nursing home. They make sure your hotel rooms, your offices and your schools are clean. They are security guards keeping buildings safe. They are paramedics who are there in your most desperate hour.
Take a look at the whole page of clips and discussion points on Oprah’s website, and tell me that this is not an issue that touches the heart of who we want to be in America. Single women, especially, are dealing with such a difficult series of choices with this — especially single moms who have to deal with exes who fail to pay regular child support. It is a tough, tough place to be in life, and the fact that the GOP would tie in helping these folks (after giving themselves raises!) to a "more bling for Paris" poison pill is unconscionable.
This Republican maneuver disgusts me, but I can’t say that I am surprised, not in the least. Because they don’t really want to help out hard-working, decent Americans who don’t have the money to contribute to their campaign coffers. And the effect that this has on these people’s children? The GOP doesn’t care, so long as it doesn’t make their "No Child Left Behind" test scores look bad — and when schools in poorer neighborhoods do badly, whose fault is it? Not the GOP. They are never, ever accountable for anything they do, are they?
So I say, let them have their lame-ass tax cut. Give a hand up to people who truly need it, and if Paris Hilton gets more bling out of it, then fine and dandy with me. Because it isn’t about Paris Hilton — it’s about all those families living on the edge and barely scraping by day by day.
Perhaps it isn’t the most politically savvy thing to do — but you know, I see people every single day where I live having to make choices on their medication or their family eating, on their kids getting one new outfit for school or buying gas for the car to get back and forth to work. And I get the feeling that the GOP doesn’t have a clue that people have to do that sort of thing to just live these days. (Hint: try spending time in the poorer part of your districts instead of just at fundraisers at the homes of wealthy donors. You’ll get a whole new perspective.)
And if the Republicans in charge of Congress can not feel any shame at what they are doing — at a time when they have run up the biggest deficits in the history of this nation (oh yeah, I got yer fiscal responsibility here — I don’t want to hear the word "conservative" in describing these yahoos ever again), at a time when the "working poor" are more and more numerous, at a time when they preach "family values" out of one side of their mouths but could honestly give a crap at how those families survive once a child is out of the womb because it is an "every man for himself" kinda world that they live in, then the hell with them.
I’d say for shame GOP, if I thought there was any shame left in them. But I’ll have to settle for "stand up for the little guy" — because the GOP sure as hell doesn’t give a damn about them.
(For more on the Par-tay Bling Tax Repeal, take a peek at this guest post from Ian.)
UPDATE: Here are a few Democratic highlights from the late night Estate Tax Poison Pill debate:
– Barney Frank was on fire.
– Steny Hoyer stepped up to the plate. (Been a while since I said that!)
– Nancy Pelosi laid things out very plainly — and her disgust at the GOP tactics was palpable. Was on a conference call with her yesterday, and I can say in all honesty that she is pissed on behalf of all those Americans out there who are barely getting by…she gets it, what’s wrong with the GOP?
If you all have seen other good examples on the debate, or good reporting, please link it up in the comments!
(Oh, and just for fun, Crooks and Liars has an hilarious Letterman clip.)
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Fitz!
We need more like Fitz
Evidently, Democrats do a different kind of bondage than Reps.
The Dem constintuency is bonded to their creditors, their job(s), and the bill collector.
Reps do zero coupon bonds, muni bonds, and they DREAM of the bondage in Christy’s provocative photo (you do that a lot, CHS! Not that it’s bad thing!)
Take Back Our Country!
If I was working three jobs at minimum wage, and I saw the Democrats wouldn’t vote for it becuase of the estate tax issue, it wouldn’t make me feel like voting for them, no matter how much they promised.
When they had a chance to take action they didn’t.
I was under the impression that the DOJ requires that any pictures like this (i.e. bondage, nude or not, no matter how obviously the model is over 18) needs to comply with USC 18, sec 2257.
Protecting ths kids, you know?
& wow! they’re phasing in the minimum wage hike — wouldn’t want to shock the system . . .
despize the beyotch …
and when i start despizin’
i know it’s Really Time to Sleep …
Seriously, what is it that makes president cheney want to bankrupt us, kill us all, kill the earth, destroy all future of all living beings?
What is is that makes all tv screens cheerlead this?
Damn these soulless nazi fucks – i have such dread – they have barely begun their awfulness upon this land unless we stop them
sorry just thought I’d cheer everybody up – off to Cute Overload :)
Idon’t mean to hijack this thread, but I have to leave to go to a kickoff rally for Dave Mejias (running against Peter King) and I want to get this out to you all, but don’t have time to wait for the proper thread.
Russel Tice got subpeonaed to testify to a GJ seated in a VERY pro-WH district. They have cherry picked the venue (I wonder what the jurisdictional predicate was? Hmmm?)and are looking to put the fear of God or at least fear of Gonzales into the rank and file.
I clicked through to http://www.nswbc.org and it was quite a revelation. I don’t usually blog pimp, but i’m making an exception here.
Rock on, Christy. The Dems should have voted for it. Then, when we take congress, repeal the tax-cuts for the rich. Every American should pay his or her Fair Share.
Gee, I’m pleased as punch that in my own small way I’ve helped push the word “Goper” further into the public lexicon.
One thing that drew me to the campaign of Howard Dean was his insistance that just one person can make a difference. But it has to come from the heart.
Red Line Blues
Found this post over at kos documenting the actual dollar breakdown the big gift to Paris Hilton:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/29/5511/59225
Christy you cannot forget what the super-rich get another gift from the Repugs, the problem is that this will reduce revenues to the US Treasury which will increase the debt which then will pass this debt payment to the poor and middle class.
It is the reverse Robbin Hood policies of this Republican Congress to give to the super-uber-rich which will require taking from the poor. It also will put Democrats in a tricky position when they do retake congress. What is the Repug line….. “Dems will raise your taxes” … Well they are making sure that happens, no matter what!
katymine 12
You point another problem the Democrats have, they let the Republicans control the message. If th Democrats get out in front, and are agressive in supporting their actions, they can make the Republicans defend their tax breaks for the wealthy,
They really should counter with saying fine – we’lll just make death transfers an incometaxable event and lose free step up.
No “already taxed” issue, bc only prior untaxed gain is being taxed. Work that in with a credible approach to tax avoidance minority discounts in family llps or llcs, and go on. Someday that advice will be worth 2 cents I guess.
i saw the oprah show when it originally aired and was shocked by how many of the working poor they looked at were working in health-care related fields. considering that health-care costs have been out of control for years i don’t understand where all that money is going since it doesn’t seem to be supporting any of the regular folks working in the industry.
To be fair, Paris Hilton’s parents are true blue Dems and I heard they give lots of money to Dems. They are not in the forefront of this estate tax repeal. Apparently, there are 13 super rich families that are heavyily lobbying for this repeal. And Walmart heirs are the most prominent among them. “Paris Hilton tax cut” is a catchy slogan, but it should be called “walmart heirs tax cut”. Sam Walton might have been a southern/new deal dem, but his sons/daughters have become true red right wingers in every sense of the phrase.
Makes me very angry that the GOP cannot bring itself to do ANYTHING for those at the bottom of the pay scale without handing their super-rich constituents another gift.
Ought to be called the “Let Them Eat Cake” bill.
I can’t agree with going ahead with the minimum wage hike in exchange for the Hilton Tax giveaway. It just costs too much to the treasury. But then I am comfortable (so far) and would like to hear a more thorough discussion.
The idea of folks having to wait two more years for a shot at a higher minimum wage is ugly. And thinking of the ads that will be run against Dems in swing districts “He voted against raising the minimum wage. How can he say he is for the little guy?
But then, isn’t the contest going to be against GOPs in swing districts, so there is no DEM officeholder that is forced to vote on this?
I can’t see the GOPs campaigning that they voted to raise the minimum wage. It alienates their base.
This is of course all political cynical–not what Christy is talking about–the reality of living on $5.15 an hour.
But catch this added piece of bullshit in the last sentence, about tips counting toward the wage:
“Under the minimum wage proposal, the current $5.15 rate would rise by $2.10 over three years in three increments, reaching $5.85 in January 2007, $6.55 on June 1, 2008, and $7.25 on June 1, 2009. The change would also allow tips to be counted toward minimum wage increases in states where that is not now allowed.”*
*from NYT story.
Sorry–ecoast, but it’s the Paris Hilton tax cut or giveaway. The WalMart heir thing is just not as catchy.
“Seriously, what is it that makes president cheney want to bankrupt us”
aren’t poor people ripe pickings for military recrutiment? the only way to avoid a draft is to keep creating a growing class of people desperate enough for a buck that they would sign up.
It’s disgusting. The sanctimonious “Christian” Republicans will each have a lot of ’splainin’ to do when they get to the Pearly Gates. “Woe to you that are rich, for you have received your consolation.”
A special exception should be made, though, for Warren Buffett, who has spoken out against the estate tax repeal and is giving most of it away.
I understand your frustration, Christy, but voting for more plutocrat tax cuts and thinking that can easily be reversed if the Democrats retake Congress ignores the fact that any attempt to repeal tax cuts will surely be vetoed. We would therefore have to retake both the House and the Senate by veto-proof margins, and there aren’t enough Senate seats up this fall for that to happen. On the other hand, killing this now and passing a stand alone minimum wage bill after the elections (assuming we would have the votes for that) means Bush would have to veto that. That’s not such an easy call for him to make. In the meantime, Democrats can run on that issue and on fiscal responsibility, which they cannot do if they pass this bill. So much though I hate to disagree with you, I think Nancy Pelosi was right on this one.
$91 million would pay for the difference between the $5.15 minimum wage and the $7.25 minimum wage for almost 21,000 people for a year (at full-time). $268 billion over 10 years would make up that difference for more than 6.1 million people (also over 10 years).
$26.8 billion [annualized] / ($2.10 [min. wage diff.] * 40 [hrs/week] * 52 [wks/yr]) = 6,135,531 people
The same amount would pay for 1.78 million full-time employees at the $7.25 minimum wage rate.
Maybe the Dems’ message should be that the GOP has to bundle the wage-hike with estate tax “relief” because they fear the fall-out their “No” votes would bring if there were a stand-alone minimum wage bill.
Dems need to make clear that they welcome the opportunity to vote for a minimum wage increase, and have no qualms about voting against estate tax relief.
Millineryman #13 -
I agree that is Issue #1 for Dems.
There needs to be put out there is Corporations paying their fair share of taxes. They use the infrastructure built and paid for my OUR tax dollars, roads, railroads, ports and the internet. If you do business, live and work in America, then you pay your fair share.
Did you know that the 4 years prior to John Snow becoming Secratary of the Treasury, the company he was CEO did not pay taxes and received 160 million dollars in rebates? It also is the company CRX that was sold to B&O which is now owned by the Dubai Ports.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/22/101323/855
(scroll down to the section “Additional reserch by katymine”.
This is what I told the reporter from the Chicago Tribune at Yearlykos “off the record”. Why is it a regular old person can find all that detail about John Snow that was put in as a comment and then front paged on kos. I just love the internet!
As much as I hate to say it, can’t blame this one entirely on the GOP. It would have been defeated had we not had 34 turncoats.
Roll Call – Dems voting Yes:
Abercrombie
Barrow
Bean
Berkley
Berry
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Brown (OH)
Case
Chandler
Cramer
Cuellar
Davis (TN)
Edwards
Ford
Gordon
Herseth
Jefferson
Marshall
Matheson
McIntyre
Melancon
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Peterson (MN)
Rahall
Ross
Rush
Strickland
Tanner
Towns
Wu
Having said that, how likely is it that the Senate is gonna go along with this? Pelosi says it’s dead.
I think a smart Dem. could vote for this bill and slam the GOP over the head with it from now until 2008 or whenever it gets repealed. It shows the greed that is the “G” in GOP.
“Goper”
Let it become a term of derision. Let it be a hiss and by word in the street. Look upon the Goper as you look upon someone blowing smoke in the face of a newborn.
“Goper”
It’s an ‘us v. them’ word that clearly identifies the object of derision. It exposes its dark side with a Mel Brooks snicker. It’s the mocking laughter at the Brownshirts in the beer hall.
“Goper”
Its a word to be used the way they used the word ‘Liberal.’ It rolls lightly off the tongue and stings like spit in the face of a fascist.
“Goper”
It’s the one word they have no defense against.
It’s a word that deserves a cherished ubiquity. An ultimate term of scorn.
Okay, so make it the “G” in Goper. That’s works for me.
And I get the feeling that the GOP doesn’t have a clue that people have to do that sort of thing to just live these days.
No, they don’t. At times like these, I’m always reminded of the Texas lawmaker I read about a few years back, who when the legislature was debating a cut to some program for the poor, responded to opponents by saying “well, they’ll just have a little less to leave to their children.”
Some of them are wilfully evil, others are just wilfully ignorant. But I’m reminded of the judge’s instructions in the Enron case, that the defendents could be found guilty even if they did not know about the fraud if the facts showed they should have known and were willfully ignorant of it. That standard applies to governing, too.
I’m a-trying and a-trying, but right now I can’t think of a single country not being ruled by the biggest doofus or set of doofi that that particular population currently has to offer.
The latest proof:
Care to step into my small room for a short talk and an elastic loaf, anyone?
katymine 25
Thanks for the background on John Snow. I did not know that.
I’m always amazed at how the internet really hit it’s stride parallel to the Bush Incorp regime. And by using it’s power, we can help shape the message that the traditional media ignores.
Hehe lotus…
Before you start calling Iran crazy, France agressively goes after non-french words too. (Yes, I know, Iran is way crazier than France hehe). And our own goopers want to worship English as the divine language and ban dem furreign words.
curious jim #21:
At least one militant Christian has some ’splainin’ to do right now. Allegedly.
http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/…..-cover-up/
I wonder if he’s ever thought about the ethnicity of his most famous character.
Call or Fax your Senators, to jointly walk out of the Senate and demand a Press conference, and say they want to let the American public know that the Republicans are blackmailing them into approving more Wealth for the Wealthy on the backs of Minimum Wage Earners!!!
Russia had a anti-foreign word purge in the Czar period. Pushkin made fun of one of the censors in one of his writings.
Christy:
Industry laywers have said that any depiction of bondage falls under the “sadistic or masochistic abuse” definitions in 2256. Publishing a regulated image makes one a “secondary producer” according to DOJ’s interpretation.
Ridiculous. & serious — check out those criminal penalties.
I dunno Christy, I kind of favor nixing this gooper bill that phases in minimum wage increases over 3 years. And just passing better bill after November, when the Dems control the Legislature. A bill that will not have the greedy give away to the Caviar Class.
I lived on minimum during and immediately after college, and at one point I couldn’t even renew my driver’s license because I needed a new glasses prescription and couldn’t afford it. I’m fortunate in that I had a degree and eventually got much better jobs, but I’ll never forget living like that. This kind of things happens to the poorest people all the time…and it’s extremely short-sighted of the wealthy to allow it.
At some point the poorest will just become fed up and start using force…and is that really what we want?
Kurt – France agressively goes after non-french words too.
The stuffy Academie Francaise is fighting a losing battle against the evolution of language, trying to keep it “pure”.
Millineryman 32
Anyone know that DP World owns 22 ports?
Does anyone know that the deal went through and NO ONE did anything to stop it?
I remember the Japan scare of the 80’s, Japan was buying up everything, “they will own all of America” but in actuality it was a front to cover up all the other countries who were doing the big buys to divert attention. Cities and states across the country have been selling their infrastructure to foreign companies & countries which will be charing fees and tolls. The day will come where only the rich will able to travel across America. For those of us who live in the west, tolls and fees are foreign concept. We have “Freeways” for a reason.
Portland Oregon is considering selling three of their bridges, areas in Texas are selling roads to foreign countries, roads in California are built by a foreign company and Texas is pushing for their part of the superhighway.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..s_for_sale
Um, paramedics make minimum wage? I am highly skeptical of that claim, Ms. Winfrey.
Great post, though.
Mel Gibson DUI arrest.
You’ll notice that I’m veering away from this topic. That’s because it makes me so mad I’d just splutter if I tried to address it.
Therefore:
Here (since it’s midday Saturday, and you know what that means) is one of Sunday NYT’s most fascinating and, for us, potentially-goodest-news articles.
For those who were following the ImpeachPac kerfluffle yesterday, they’ve released a replacement video for that “neo-nazi’s in the military one”.
Click to see it
Dems should turn it down flat.
If I read correctly, Hilton’s trust fund immediately gains $91 million dollars. Immediately. Yet, the minimum wage “grows” to $7.25 from $5.15 over three years. In three years time that $7.25 will be the equivalent of $5.15 today. This is a crumb off the table that should be tossed back in their faces.
And no, this is not a slam against Hilton personally (she’s hot!) but her case is a perfect example of the screwed up priroties we have with the GOP “leading” things.
The dems need to use this to drive home the point: is this the kind of nation we want to become? For all their talk of “values,” “morals” and religiosity, doing this is the antithesis to all of that. The WWJD crowd could not say that Jesus would approver of doing something like this.
People with wealth like that of the Hiltons already have more money than they can spend in ten lifetimes, it makes no sense to be lavishing millions more on them, when you got millions of people working 2 and 3 jobs and still in poverty.
Sorry, Christy, but going along right now with estate tax extension is a major, bad idea that would be a BIG mistake. As it now stands, the estate tax moratorium goes away next year, without the Democrats doing anything except standing firm with filibuster and other framing techniques.
If the Dems were so stupid as to allow the estate tax repeal to become permanent, they will not get it back until they can override a GOP filibuster — regardless of how dire the fiscal situation becomes.
Should the Dems take one house of Congress this yearr, they will actually get some space in the newspapers (not the single paragraph they get now — para 17 of 19) and can frame the issue and push it again and again into the limelight. And they can do it without the poison pills.
The good news is that Boehner seriously angered Grassley and Enzi by stabbing them in the back and yanking pieces of legislation from their bills and putting into something that shouldn’t pass if the Dems have an ounce of sense and a backbone stronger than Joe Biden’s. BTW, let’s get Joe Lieberman’s on the record on where he stands on a Paris Hilton bill filibuster.
Also worth pushing, pushing, pushing, is that this bill wasn’t written up and distributed when they voted on it. Runaway GOP congress. This was in every Dem speech opposing the bill, but mysteriously disappeared in the Post’s writeup. This is corruption that hits in every district, not just the ones where there are pictures of money changing hands.
Great catch punaise on Mel.
OMIGOD!
In AdNag’s Sunday story on Short Ride, we read:
{*} but not yet online
Nice catch WaPo critic.
msgop live poll . . . about . . . wait for it!!
the I word!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904
hmmmmm?
lotus, kurt,
Crusades to purify the language of “foreign” elements are futile and an admission that the war to “save” the language from foreign intrusions has already been lost. Farsi has you point out has a heavy superstrate of Arabic. Yet it hasn’t destroyed the Persian language so that anyone would notice. France too can legislate and make attempts to replace anglicisms. Some will succeed but in the meantime dozens of new anglicisms enter for each of these “victories”. These efforts are political and represent just one tension among many others that determine how a language will develop and how extensively it will borrow from other languages.
A more troubling aspect of “language management” is the suppression and discouragement of regional languages. Kurdish was essentially banned in Turkey for decades and while things have loosened up it and its speakers are still discriminated against. It is my understanding that in Iran regional languages are forbidden in schools and that if a child needs to use the bathroom they must ask in Farsi. Tehran says this is to encourage students to learn the national language. Speakers of Arabic, Azeri, Armenian, Baluchi, Kurdish, and Turkoman tend to see it more as Farsi hegemonism and discrimination.
PER LOTUS
New York Times endorses
NED LAMONT
shorter GOP:
finders, keepers
losers, freepers
As the mother of three young adults (23-26yrs)who are still living at home, two are in college. They attempted to make it on their own after they progressed beyond the min wage jobs to the next level jobs at Home Depot, Guess? and Starbucks making around $12/hr. The youngest was doing “ok” paycheck to paycheck but it was the increasing cost of gas that pushed him over the edge.
I worry about their future, not just being drafted and sent to a war I oppose but how are they going to afford a house? One daughter graduated from ASU last December and still looking for her post degree job out of her collge job in retail.
Somehow I thought one of the basic values in America was to make sure that our children had opportunities, things better than what we had. I continue to feel bad that I could not give the “leave it to beaver” life that I had to my children, the low cost California higher education, the ability to leave home and make it with just a little help from Mom & Dad.
In the nearly 10 years since the minimum [wage] was raised, Congress has voted itself nine pay hikes totaling nearly $35,000 a year
http://blog.aflcio.org/?p=871
Over in the Senate, Bill Frist has beem working on a similar ploy:
So not only are they holding minimum wage earners hostage, throw in teachers who buy their own supplies. GOP is evil.
New York Times tells Bubbah and all the Vichy Dems to go Dick Cheney themselves!
Sorry about all that AdNag vamping, but I wanted you guys to share the surprise just as I had.
good for NYT. Go Ned.
via TPM:
What clash of divergent worlds, people struggling while working 3 jobs, wealthy people with no need for more money, and the people who are in power playing their poltical chess games.
The biggest losers of course are the people struggling.
oops, somebody’s taggy negligence has reduced the impact of my bold, which was intended…
Several states have already pegged their min wage to inflation. If they do pass this incremental increase, by the time it is in effect three years out it will still be a net loss for the worker.
NYT for Lamont – that is big!!!!
woohoo!
Congressman John Conyers posted his opinion about this latest Republican political maneuver: House Republicans At Their Most Cynical
Arcturus at 37 — I seriously doubt a publicity photo of Paris Hilton that she put out to promote her “album” counts as sadistic bondage.
Kurt – thanks for the ad update …. phew!
while I agree with the argument in both ads, the production values sure need work
and thank goodness they pulled the Lamont mention!
ppirt at 9:54:
MSNBC online impeachment poll running 87% for “there is plenty to justify putting him on trial” with 275,000 responses!
We need a fresh revolution in this country – a total, balls/tits-out, nothing-to-lose, storm-the-bastille revolution – the cheney/kenny boy monster mentality will not be happy or sated short of total enslavement/starvation of the lesser folk – and even then not happy or sated – congress is their evil toady, I look forward to seeing them on the guillotine also
let me rephrase comment #52 (the one with the bad unclosed tag!)
NYTimes endorses
Ned Lamont !
CHS at 10:07: Not against her, maybe but what about us? *g*
ppirt #50: That MSNBC poll is rockin!
87% say impeach the SOB!
Mary says: “They really should counter with saying fine – we’lll just make death transfers an incometaxable event and lose free step up.”
July 29th, 2006 at 9:01 am
You’re referring to the stepup in basis of inherited property permitted under Internal Revenue Code Section 1014. One of the problems with repealing that section of the Internal Revenue Code is the difficulty of determining the cost basis of property that has been in a family for many generations.
How much revenue is generated by federal gift and estate tax? I haven’t read the answer to that question in a long time, but I do recall that the amount of revenue generated by gift and estate taxes has historically been a very small percentage of taxes collected.
ppirt and everhopeful, almost 280,000 have responded to the MSNBC poll when I checked. 87% say “yes.”
These GOP thugs are out of control. I understand that this Estate Tax cut will affect a possible 7500 families? Did these rich families actually ask for this? If I had that kind of money, it would be a privilege to pay that tax! I guess that’s why I’m a Democrat though!
Now I have font envy.
Here’s a site (Let Justice Roll) dedicated to a Living Wage Campaign. They have had sucess in Pennsyvania and North Carolina. In progress is MA and CA.
Also, this map shows states with higher/lower minimum wage than the Fed’s.
Christy @ 65: One would think so, I agree. I’m was just trying to bring some attention to a very overly broad law, & the way it is being interpereted by the DOJ. You’ll find that here is a lot of ‘normal’ commercial stuff that can fall within its purview, if you take the time to check out the issue.
What I’d really like to see is an end to corporations being tax-exempt by hiding their “headquarters” offshore, while all of their business is being conducted right here. I don’t know how much extra revenue that would bring in, but I’m sure it would be a non-trivial amount hehe.
Really, at this point they’re just blatantly saying it, there is no “society” any more, there is them with a big fat gun and this is a ‘jackin over and over, and your children? Sneering cackle, what a shame their name isn’t Frist or Bush.
Maybe Peanut will grow up to take back this nation.
DemfromCt has a frontpaged diary at dkos on the Lieberman-Lamont race. Not much new (to us) in the diary itself, but some interesting stuff in the comments, particularly about the impeachpac ad that has apparently been pulled. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/29/10164/7867
ilson 68 – holy crap!
now if we could only get them to unendorse so much else since 01
Sharkie, back up to 47 ^ .
Sorry *ilson.
OT I would appreciate any suggestion on who to thank at the New York Times.
Also, unless someone dissuades me, I’m seriously considering informing Fred Hiatt at the WaPo.
Christy: According to the DOJ, any depiction of bondage falls under the “sadistic activity” clause.
“Now I have font envy.”
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Most of the cost analyses I have seen are for complete repeal rather than the partial rollback passed by the House and likely to languish in the Senate. You can take issue with the exact costs but they almost certainly would be substantial.
“Permanent repeal of the estate tax would cost nearly $1 trillion between 2012 and 2021, the first ten year period in which its costs would be fully felt. (This cost includes $776 billion in revenue loss and $213 billion in higher interest payments on the federal debt.)”
http://www.cbpp.org/5-31-06tax.htm
also
http://www.cbpp.org/4-3-01tax.htm
As of 1:20 pm EDT, MSNBC Live Poll:
Do you believe President Bush’s actions justify impeachment? * 277486 responses
Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial. — 87%
No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching “high crimes and misdemeanors.” — 4.3%
No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
– 7.1%
I don’t know. — 1.8%
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Now we know where the real basement is located: at 13%, plus or minus MOE.
Screw you, 13%, we are not going to be held hostage by this fakery much longer; you are definitely not the majority in this country.
Now we know where the real basement is located: at 13%, plus or minus MOE.
Well, among MSNBC.com users who happened to be using at that time . . .
NOT that there’s anything wrong with that! *g*
lotus 74
Now I have font envy.
well, the pen is mightier than the sword
punaise — D’oh!
Language ‘Purists’ in NJ:
Great catch Rayne!
MSNBC Poll
Do you believe President Bush’s actions justify impeachment?
Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
87%
No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching “high crimes and misdemeanors.”
4.3%
No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
7.1%
I don’t know.
1.8%
* 277594 responses
Tell that to a guy named Bobbit punaise.
And I would imagine that when news of Bush’s new bill allowing them to arrest any American citizen and jail them indefinitely without trial gets out, the basement might drop a little lower!
us Anglo-Saxons should have had a Language Purity Institute after 1166 — what a mongrelized tongue we speak now ! Carramba!
Mary – any guy cringes at the mention of that name….!
Conviction Upheld for WorldCom’s Ebbers
From Bloomberg News
July 29, 2006
“A federal appeals court upheld the securities fraud conviction of former WorldCom Inc. Chief Executive Bernard Ebbers, who will probably begin serving a 25-year prison term for leading an $11-billion fraud…..”
Ilson, I’m in the love Proto-Indo-European or die camp!
(not really hehe)
this would be a good time to recall Hugh’s brilliant series on the foreign influences on American language
Hedwig cringes too !
1166?
1166 – it’s the new 1066.
t- t- tr– tro —-
I declare, I never know where the comedy’s gonna come from next around here.
MODERATOR PLEASE,
Clean-up on aisle 10:40 with “Kristy.”
1166 is when William the Bastard (a.k.a. The Conqueror) won the Battle of Hastings effectively taking over England and imposing French on the freedom-loving (except for the Celts) Anglo-Saxons.
I’m still pissed at the Irish for wiping out the Picts !
Idn’t that (104) right, pun.
*ilson46201 says:
July 29th, 2006 at 10:34 am
You meant 1066 instead of 1166, didn’t you?
I remember listening to a Quebecois official, a language policeman, proudly talk about how he was removing English influences from French Canadian. This included areas like golf. As he played he had taken it upon himself to come up with a whole new “official” French vocabulary for golf. I always thought of this guy as your typical zealot. It never occurred to him to ask who the hell he was one single person to make up on his own a French language of golf and determine it for everybody else. Language protection I have noted has this tendency to veer into linguistic fascism: “We are, of course, doing this for your own good, whether you like it or not.”
Just read the Ad Nags story re Lieberman. Why does he think the Clinton appearance will save him? I don’t get it.
You meant 1066 instead of 1166, didn’t you?
let’s meet halfway at 1116.
oooops — 1066 it is —- what’s a century or two amongst friends ? … pretty soon you start talking real millenia !
But now we DO know where “KHS” goes to have fun. And goes and goes and goes and goes . . .
this thread’s too fast
last thread: sofistic U cool
Anne – similar stuff with me mom, hugs
thanks to every single amazing person and every word on last thread – pull up a chair indeed
Henry II was king in 1166. He spoke French.
Ilson is a Pictish purist…he has no time to be bogged down with dates!
Hugh!
Who was king in 1116? William Rufus? or Henry I? (Still speaking French).
Ilson is a Pictish purist
Pict yer perfect de-Pict shun
I think the White Ship went down in 1120, so it must have been Henry I.
(Still speaking French).
Thank you Moderator for the clean-up.
Ned!!! and at long last, NYTimes!!
Re language purity: All non-Cherokee words are hereby banned. We were here first, with a printed syllabary and a newspaper. We will consider Iroquois if desperate.
Thanks for words of encouragement about my medical work here.
thanks to the damn Irish, there aint no Picts left — instead of Scotland, there could have been the United Kingdom of Scotia and Pictia, but noooo …
“Representative Zach Wamp, Republican of Tennessee, said Democrats were upset with the legislation because Republicans had found a clever way to link the two. “You have seen us outfox you on this issue tonight,” Mr. Wamp told Democrats in the floor debate….”
it is all a joke to them They know it won’t make it through the senate, it was just to be able to go home to campaign with something meaty to hang out there.
Hello, pups. Re the huge thunder cell that went through yesterday = i just got back from tv store with a friend who needs to replace a fried tv – seems there were 12 before us with similarly fried tvs. Not enough to turn off appliances – must also disconnect plug from wall. The bigger the tv, the bigger the power surge protector you need which can run $100!
*ilson46201 #123
You have a bone to Pict?
OT but this is a giggle.
Remember Lee Siegel? That TNR guy who called bloggers fascists, and then went on a rant about people wearing hats indoors? (/em clutches pearls reflexively).
Now he is blaming us for the messy Iraq War:
No wonder, several years after the blogosphere allegedly became a people powerhouse, the country is mired even deeper in Iraq and successfully distracted by one false public alarm after another.
This guy has to be biggest douche on the planet hehe.
it’s just that for years we have heard about the poor oppressed Irish but back in the day, they were s.o.b.’s themselves — just ask the Picts (if there were any left)
OK, so I voted in that MSNBC poll, for “try the sucker,” natch, and then decided to read the story it accompanied. Dated December 2005. I think it isn’t a current poll, even though it hasn’t closed for some reason. But what the heck, vote anyway. I know it made me feel better.
So I take it you heard about the NY Times’ endorsement of Ned Lamont? ;-)
punaise – I cringe over it too; some things you wish were urban myths.
kurt – I don’t know. Doing the very same thing, without even a statute – was pretty much the Aschcroft/Comey Padilla sales job. Luttig on the Fourth bought it, then rebought, Gonzales took up the banner. Haynes is in line to take Luttig’s slot. Opening comments on these threads notwithstanding – DOJ has already switched teams to defeat the Constituiton, not defend it.
$91 million would pay for the difference between the $5.15 minimum wage and the $7.25 minimum wage for almost 21,000 people for a year (at full-time).
Nine hours of a day in Iraq.
watertiger, I even broke into the banner headline typeface case for it… I almost used red ink or blinking too…
Tonite I’m gonna Par-Tay like it’s 9901!
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But seriously, the NYT endorsement is big. Lots of New Haven, well I suppose the whole state.
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Anyone figure a line for Jozo that says:
‘Pay no attention to the man behind the editorial page opinion.’
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Jed Clampett might say, ‘Whooooo, Doggie!’
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As for the min. wage, all I can say is that the fact that it has yet to be raised, let alone that at this time raising it requires acceptance of defacto blackmail, for all this time is nothing short of a travesty or atrocity.
FDR from 1937 (aka ‘Court Packing Speech’)
Delivered via radio. A ‘fireside chat’…
http://www.hpol.org/fdr/chat/
(page has a RealPlayer link to listen.)
…”In the case holding the New York minimum wage law unconstitutional, Justice Stone said that the majority were actually reading into the Constitution their own “personal economic predilections,” and that if the legislative power is not left free to choose the methods of solving the problems of poverty, subsistence, and health of large numbers in the community, then “government is to be rendered impotent.” And two other justices agreed with him.”…
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Way OT but back a bit ‘comfort’-
I’m comforted that Fox baseball coverage (Fox-61 Hartford covers the Lower Pioneer Valley, MA) FINALLY lets me escape the sincere and dulcet tones of Tim McCarver. Yeah, Red Sox today from the Friendly Confines.
The neon Citgo sign at night blinking its message is a comforting image to me.
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Drat! EPU? 2:03 pm
Kathryn in MA at 10:53: Yep, any component you can turn on with a remote or an electronic switch isn’t really “off.” And apparently the amount they use when they’re “off,” while small, adds up to a significant amount of power across the country, to the chagrin of those of use who want to conserve, stop global warming, and stick it to the Cheneyite energy profiteers.
Ilson, you shouldn’t abuse words and typefaces…it’s really bad!
I learned that from YouTube.
*ilson … there’s a nice series of fantasy novels based on solid research on the Picts by Juliet Marillier:
http://www.julietmarillier.com/dark mirror.htm
Marillier is a very good scholar author and a perfect time-off read. Her Sevenwaters series is my favorite retelling of the twelve swans tale.
Kathryn in MA, I had a whole house surge protector installed but you can also get a surge through your cable system. So you need to have the cable system configured with a surge protection too.
… the sincere and dulcet tones of Tim McCarver.
he’s the house announcer in baseball purgatory.
To Surge, With Glove
(this cute friendly neighbor woman out in her yard stopped me this morning, we exchanged hellos and she says how have you lost all this weight, i’ve noticed (it’s amazing what heartache will do, darlin) I said oh I do little stupid amount running, eat nothing processed, eat no dinner except a cuke and tomato, she says I started weight watchers, a little more conversation and I parted with, you look good to me – the truth)
new thread kids.
OT – CNN – 2 more UN peacekeepers killed in Lebanon due to Israeli air strikes :(
Lotus – thanks for the NYT link on church and state.
And a word from one of the clergy with a chair by the lake: Don’t feed the trolls, even (or especially) if they spout scripture.
two more UN peacekeepers wounded in Lebanon and a massive oil spill destroying the coast … and Israel refuses the UN request for a humanitarian ceasefire … claims to be allowing humanitarian relief but Fisk has quite a description of his own experience riding with the Intl Red Cross –
“On a Red Cross mission of mercy when Israeli air force came calling”
http://www.informationclearing…..e14241.htm
For Mary, Kurt, and anyone else interested, there are three good posts on the war crimes immunity issue up at Balkinization — and for once, none of them is by Marty Lederman. Two short posts by Brian Tamanaha, embroidering a longer one by Jack Balkin. Good stuff. http://balkin.blogspot.com/
punaise -
mon ami. Thanks for that. forgetten in the typing was, “The neon Citgo sign blinking over the Green Monster at night is a comforting image.”
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ps – I’m w/Giants scaling the mountain, too. One of these days. RealSoonNow.
Sharkbabe – you on a diet too? And Christy on the mediterranian diet? I read that I think somewhere here in the last 8 hours.
I just had a salad and in 2 hours will have my fav — tomatoes and fresh steamed string beans with cantalope and some peach jello for dessert.
ppirt at 50:
That poll started back on 12/21/05, and was a result of Howard Fineman’s article.
Apparently the ‘timer’ runs out on this poll, because I just voted again. Normally, I can’t do that.
Still an impressive number though.
um re the word of the Lord — The last words of the Lord were ‘Forgive them for they know not what they do.” I believe the Lord was all about loving not hating. Not something I recognize in these evangelical T.V. hustings.
Thanks BarbaraB.
Stirling Newberry’s analysis of where the BushCo priorties were seems to have been prescient. It’s a shame more real economic conservatives weren’t paying more attention, or making more of a brouhaha back when it could have made a difference.
Yes, whatever happened to the front-paging recommendations about Hugh’s series on language?
Hello, firepoodles. Thank goodness you are here this morning to 707 me. I spent my early morning on a website devoted to the memory of a dear friend and colleague lost to the lack of a barrier on the Golden Gate Bridge earlier this week. Seeing Paris “all tied up” and read ing all y’all’s contributions was just what I needed. Pull up a chair, indeed. Pull up a Ted outta the dumps.
Thanks!
I see Paris, see her dance! I see Paris with no underpants!
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Had Enough?
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Woo-hoo, NYT, all is forgiven (NOT!)
BlanK – victory is just around the corner….
Welcome back, Teddy! We have SOOO much more fun when you’re here.
TSF – it’s shameful that they haven’t been able to come up with a viable suicide barrier on the GG Bridge. Sorry about your pal.
What an awful thing that happened to your friend, Teddy. I’m terribly sorry to hear of it.
Ah — I had an image of “car wreck,” which may be mistaken.
Thanks BarbB – I have really been interested in your links.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/…..mp;invol=2
It is different from current reported cases in that it starts out with the arguments/comments of both sides in the case, before getting to the opinion. You can see the very same power grab arguments. The case involved the military taking an Indiana citizen from his home and claiming that bc they believed he was a traitorous collaborator with elements in sympathy with the Confederacy, they could handle him through a military, summary “on the spot” proceeding. No trial, no due process, no habeas, no access to counsel, no jury, etc.
A part of Gov’s argument? See if you couldn’t see this converted to Limbaughspeak very easily.
As respects precedents. I admit that there is a dearth of precedents bearing on the exact point raised here. Why is this? It is because the facts are unprecedented; because the war out of which they grew is unprecedented also; because the clemency that did not at once strike down armed traitors, who in peaceful communities were seeking to overturn all authority, is equally unprecedented; because the necessity which called forth this exertion of the reserved powers of the government is unprecedented, as well as all the rest. Let opposing counsel show the instance in an enlightened age, in a civilized and Christian country, where almost one-half its citizens undertook, without cause, to over-throw the government, and where coward sympathizers, not daring to join them, plotted in the security given by the protecting arms of the other half to aid such rebellion and treason, and we will perhaps show a precedent for hanging such traitors by military commissions
Defense Counsel – inherent rights arguments:
You have heard much, and you will hear more, concerning the natural and inherent right of the government to defend itself without regard to law. This is fallacious. In a despotism the autocrat is unrestricted in the means he may use for the defence of his authority against the opposition of his own subjects or others; and that is what makes him a despot. But in a limited monarchy the prince must confine himself to a legal defence of his government. If he goes beyond that, and commits aggressions on the rights of the people, he breaks the social compact, releases his subjects from all their obligations to him, renders himself liable to be dragged to the block or driven into exile. A violation of law on pretence of saving such a government as ours is not self-preservation, but suicide.
Defense Counsel – with a “forever war” concern pretty much predicting the WOT:
That class of jurists and statesmen who hold that the trial by jury is lost to the citizen during the existence of war, must carry out their doctrine theoretically and practically to its ultimate consequences. The right of trial by jury being gone, all other rights are gong with it;therefore a man may be arrested without an accusation and kept in prison during the pleasure of his captors; his papers may be searched without a warrant; his property may be confiscated behind his back, and he has no earthly means of redress. Nay, an attempt to get a just remedy is construed as a new crime. He dare not even complain, for the right of free speech is gone with the rest of his rights. If you sanction that doctrine, what is to be the consequence?I do not speak of what is past and gone; but in case of a future war what results will follow from your decision indorsing the Attorney-General’s views? They are very obvious. At the instant when the war begins, our whole system of legal government will tumble into ruin, and if we are left in the enjoyment of any privileges at all we will owe it not to the Constitution and laws, but to the mercy or policy of those persons who may then happen to control the organized physical force of the country.
This puts us in a most precarious condition; we must have war often, do what we may to avoid it. The President or the Congress can provoke it, and they can keep it going even after the actual conflict of arms is over. They could make war a chronic condition of the country, and they slavery of the people perpetual. Nay, we are at the mercy of any foreign potentate who may envy us the possession of those liberties which we boast of so much; he can shatter our Constitution without striking a single blow or bringing a gun to bear upon us. A simple declaration of hostilities is more terrible to us than an army with banners.
On and on. *s*.
You know guys, on this estate tax thing, I luv y’all, but do any of you have a real job? I mean that in a nice way. I mean really. If you think that a million dollar estate is something to woo hoo about, did you ever like do the math? Let’s forget the ol’ “family farm” scare tactics. For godzake, a witzie bitzie house in ‘Frisco is gonna eat up most of that, and then it’s not too big a deal to have a few hundred thousand more accumulated over a lifetime, especially with retiring dinks and dioks. So, do you really relish leaving 55% of that to the people who brought you Homeland Security and other Niagaran hemorrhages of taxpayer money? Yes, I know, hopefully these folks will be gone by the time either we inherit from our gracious parents, or our kids get ours, but government is still government, and I just don’t like having busted my a*s a lifetime, and not being able to give something to my dear, and deserving children — or likewise my parents to us. With a million buck estate, we are not Paris Hilton.
A brief history of a not untypical 1.8 million dollar estate: My mother has nearly a 1.8 million buck estate right now. Her parents died a laundress and a store clerk. My father’s did slightly better — homemaker and construction foreman. Both sets from the old world, both sets emigrated under the duress of wars or political upheaval. My dad had a 2-year degree from community college, and a low level engineering position which he later gave up for being a real estate broker. Mom stayed at home, or did part time light clerical work.
We couldn’t make any headway, but Dad managed to buy/sell his own house a few times, and kept rolling his gains into the next house, until we had a real nice house we couldn’t keep up, but he held onto it to keep his one valued asset. He sold that one after 15 years (1973-1988), just squeaking thru the real estate crash of the late 80s, took his $1 million gain, and his approximately $200,000 of savings over his 45 years of working and living very thriftily, left the overpriced (and cold) northeast, and retired to (then underpriced) Texas.
Here he bought a house for a fifth of what he sold the last one, which was also twice the house of the last one (he also wrote out a check to Uncle Sam for a few hundred thousand to cover the gain). This one has tripled in value since, and after Dad died, I began managing Mom’s money, which I have nicely done. So, now even though she herself is firehosing her cash down the toilet in a nursing home (devastating stroke, no insurance), I have managed to more than double her cash. So, now she has an estate of about $1.8 million. I REALLY RESENT having my family lumped together with the Hiltons, et al. We all have busted our a*sses, and I know how long and hard I have worked over the years in midnight shifts, and weekends, and being away from home interminably, and how much of a relief it might be to have a small windfall (must also share with siblings) to help put kids through college. And, we are not unusual.
No problem with an estate tax on the truly wealthy, but please, this is not caviar and peeled grapes wealth I’m dealing with. What should the numbers be? Dunno… I don’t even object to seeing a tax at that level, for say… maybe 10%? Again, dunno. But please, don’t keep lumping anyone who flirts with a couple million net worth as being some kind of super rich/super über rich jet setter that has never worked a day in their life.
(fwiw, I think the dems should let this one go, and NOT approve a minimum wage increase in trade for estate tax extensions, as this is pure politics. If it passes, the Repubs will take undeserved credit for the min. wage hike. Let it go until after Nov. If dems take control of the House, let them bring it up again, and get the credit — it is ONLY the dems by and large that ever support this. Repubs talk about free-marketing the wage rate, and that employers will pay what the employee is worth. Hooey. They either lack or choose to ignore the macro dynamics in play in our time that damn wages to downward pressure forever. Raise the minimum wage, just do it separately from estate tax shenanigans, but PLEASE don’t paint that picture with such a broad brush either…)
say what? Raw Story:
Oh, the water? Oh! the vodka!
Van Morrison chimes in, sort of:
There is so much wrong with Paris’ little dungeon, too, from my perspective at least. My perspective, however, may be different from those who find Paris attractive, bound or not.
But, a PINK dungeon? With PINK floor-length drapes? And a PINK carpet? And PINK cinder-block walls? Never have I seen such an abomination. And plenty dungeons have I seen.
Perhaps it’s different when the ladies are involved — George Michael tried to ’splain that to the interviewed-twitess who confronted him about his park play,
So, on a completely different topic (hehe): Sharkbabe’s last. Is someone so geographically desirable under your nose that you’ve missed her? So, she had to, like, PRESENT herself this morning? Well, if so, that’s certainly good news and deserves a followup, I’d say.
Thanks for your kind words and support, all y’all. Somehow the self-taking of life is, in this topsy-turvy world of ours sometimes consumed by the taking of life of others, the most puzzling of all.
Eric Massa is over at the next post answering questions. I had a feeling a lot of people might still be over here when I saw the photo!
ecclOneNine — hooboy. Not here, not now.
And NOT with this woman. I don’t have a problem at all with paying estate taxes on something that I didn’t earn, that my parents earned — if that’s what it’s going to take to keep my kids educated, my roads paved, my stepson in Kevlar when he’s in Iraq.
I don’t have a problem with my kids paying estate taxes on whatever I pass them for the same reasons.
And my spouse and I have had REAL f*cking jobs that take 80-plus hours a week to accumulate what we have, just as our parents did before us. If we’ve accumulated enough to hit the threshhold AND we didn’t figure out how to gift most of what we earned and can’t spend on healthcare, oh well. I hope they take care of the poor who can’t have what we’ve had with the taxes they assess our estate.
If you don’t like it, then you’d better be figuring out how to pay down the debt you’re already amassing thanks to the same guys who want to kill the estate tax. My school-aged kids already owe $30,000 EACH. Is that f*cking fair? They can’t even vote.
Howie – guess we can’t say we’re all tied up with nowhere to go….
ecclOneNine at 11:24 am:
Sorry, I think you need to do your homework about a $1.8 million estate. If you’re not investing some of that money — a pittance versus what you’d save — in good advice about protecting it from the revenooers, then you are not helping yourself out.
SP, CPA, is he’s still here, can advise on the technicalities of this, but nobody here’s lumping your parents’ hard work, and savings, into the easy life of ALL the Hiltons.
Good luck to you in caring for your mom — she’s blessed to have offspring such as you to care for her. She also has the cushion of an earned estate, which should be hers for life, unless she lost part of it in inheriting from your dad.
No one envies your situation, many of us see it soon if not right now in our own futures, and no one lumps your mom, or you, with the Hiltons. I’m pretty sure current estate tax law, in exempting you from penalty, can distinguish between your mom and the Hiltons.
anybody who’s mother’s estate is worth $1.8 mil sure don’t need no benefit courtesy of Uncle Sam, and OUR taxes.
EPU’d, possible x2: Re smellrat, self-ironic no?
As usual “…I am a life long democrat or progressive or poster at fdl but I think what you are doing is wrong and I can say this even though I have never posted here before. Because I am a ping troll.”
Speaking now as egregious: we can have some fun with these guys, as a cat has fun with string, but please don’t take the ping people too seriously.
CONTEST!! To see which one of us regulars can come up with plausible ping troll comments. I double dare you all. Example: “I am a lifelong friend of CHS [me=pinocchio] but in the photograph I saw of her I think her hair color is not really red so she shouldn’t call herself ReddHedd. I think that blogs should stick to the truth in this time of political and grape fermentation and what I say as a first-time commenter matters so much more than the rest of you.” [end pathetic ping troll comment].
Any takers?
Oh, and Colin Firth! Mmmm….
Even though I’ve witnessed the republican evil for many years now, the House rethugs last night “debating” the raise in minimum wage blackmail bill, I swear, marked a new low.
Those republicans on the floor of the House were the slimiest, smarmiest b*stards I could ever imagine. I mean Snidely Whiplash has nothing on these guys. They know they are villains – and they are playing it to the hilt – revelling in their villainy – much more like cartoon characters or parodies than real people. I expected them to put on fake moustaches and start twirling them any second!
All I can say is I can’t wait for November and hope these *ssholes get LONG prison sentences!
egregious:
ho-ping against hope? :~)
egregious at 11:47: That’s a brilliant contest, but we need to do it up front (perhaps a Late Night thread?) rather than down here in EPU-land.
pun–
hopping against hops?
(teetotalers)
Well, I had some fun at Jane’s expense on her Correction post last nite, my comment repeated here:
I’m not at all sure I could stay in “concern” mode long enough to finish even a short comment — clearly I slipped up in the above — but I’m willing to try.
I just hope the contest won’t get hurtful; that’s why I had to go off the rails, to ensure the audience that I wasn’t changed into an underbridger.
What we need is a concern troll automated comment generator…like those old rant generators from back when the internet tubes were young :)
Kurt — something like ELIZA, yes?
EPU I know
but
Here’s a really fiscally conservative idea
15% Flat Income Tax
Exemptions for dependants and primary residence.
(up to 1000/mo for renters or owners in 1992 when Jerry Brown would have made it a plank)
End
Finis
This has the added bonus of rendering a small number of the most counter productive people in America unemployed (Tax attorneys)
TeddySanFran — thank you for your suggestions, and kind words. Yes, I realize that there are legal ways to shelter some of this. The first would have required a bypass trust by my father before he died, so he could exempt via the trust his exemptable portion rather than giving it outright to my mother, who would not be able to claim his exemption. Currently, it is like 1-mill a person, but was only 600k at his death. Then there are “gifts” to the children each year, which I don’t want to even take because, well… she may need it. There may be other ways, I am not an expert on this. For those that don’t know of these things, one can argue the point, well they should know — and today it’s much easier with information so readily available. Not the case a few years back, though.
In my observation on this topic for quite a while now, this really will boil down to a philosophical, world-viewish kind of thing. I personally fail to see what is so wrong with being able to give most of what I worked very long and hard for to my kids. I don’t mind some of it being taxed, especially if the government is at all reputable, but not at numbers like 55%. To say, well we all just need to start from square one in our lives, as I often hear on this subject seems to represent some other core view on life, which I find a bit inaccurate. I started from square one, even though I may get a few hundred “k” in a few years. To make ends meet, I wear clothes forever, drive old cars to death, sweat all summer, and freeze all winter, and by golly I pay a lot of taxes, too.
Rayne, you say: “I don’t have a problem at all with paying estate taxes on something that I didn’t earn, that my parents earned — if that’s what it’s going to take to keep my kids educated, my roads paved, my stepson in Kevlar when he’s in Iraq.” — Aren’t there other ways to tax for things like roads, education, etc.? It’s not like this money hasn’t already seen itself peeled away a few times. As for Kevlar, if the money already sucked down the sinkhole of corporate corruption hadn’t been such, they could have already provided enough Kevlar to build a Kevlar canopy over the entire country. I fail to see how taking 55% of my parent’s sweat and toil, even times xx,000 of others is going to help these problems.
But, this is the core outlook thing. I just don’t see it as a sin to pass on most of what one has to the next generation. I understand that the tax was conceived to prevent families from getting too powerful. No problem with that, just the numbers we are working with right now.
One question, why then do you apparently support doing an end around on it by gifting some of it away? You say: “If we’ve accumulated enough to hit the threshhold AND we didn’t figure out how to gift most of what we earned …” If you have no problem at all with these taxes, doesn’t it seem contradictory to find a way to avoid paying some of it?
My main contention is not opposition to the tax, or my mother’s estate ultimately having to pay some, or my estate either one day. The thing that bothers me is how this topic is hurled around these various forums as one monolithic ball of seething vitriole. Very few people apparently in the democratic/liberal political wing seem to be able to hold a reasoned discussion on this topic. Very few even will respond civilly to anyone who is not utterly opposed to any relief from this tax at all.
AND, on the right, the problem is the same — my gosh, if you are one iota FOR the tax, you are subject to being tarred and feathered in talkshow host one-liners, with no room whatever for any normal discussion of opinion.
I don’t think the government is entitled to more than 50% of your income at any bracket, it just encourages more greed. However, putting an exemption at $1 or $2 million and THEN taxing the rest at 30-45% on some kind of flat or sliding scale seems fair.
This, of course wouldn’t happen unless the minimum wage was raised to $7.50 asap AND then indexed to either true inflation or congressional salaries (including expense accounts)