This morning, Christy observed how we’ve all been a bit on edge lately. With all that’s going on in the world, we’d have to be unaware, obtuse or completely lacking in empathy for our fellow man not to be (at the very least) on edge.
But we also need to laugh. Here’s a little bit about the health benefits of laughter.
The silly bit above from the Marx Brothers’ classic Duck Soup makes light of what had been a national traumatic experience in World War I, the so-called "war to end all wars" (if only!). This is lighthearted camp, but it is born of real national experience of the senseless, fruitless slaughter of literally countless people.
Sound familiar?
They say comedy equals tragedy plus time, and perhaps the work of the Marx Brothers is proof. Maybe we can’t laugh much yet. But then again, for our own health, sanity and effectiveness as a movement to bring about change, we must laugh, for it is through laughter that we can begin to regain perspective and reconnect with those around us, even those who are our friends and allies.
Sound familiar?
To begin to laugh, one must first have some humility. Lincoln, the great binder of national tragedy, recognized this in his Gettysburg Address, when he said,
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.
Lincoln, it must be said, went on to give meaning to what until that time were considered to be fruitless, meaningless deaths and slaughters:
It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln, progressive populist, opponent of the forces of landed power and privilege, civil rights pioneer. Utterly unlike today’s Republican party. It’s no accident, I’m sure, that Lincoln was known personally to be, well, a really funny guy. Only those with the ability to laugh, especially at themselves, possess the power to heal from great tragedy, and to show others how to heal as well.
After 9/11, we spiraled into senseless, stragically stupid aggression in Iraq because we lacked the will or ability among our leaders to guide us with perspective, and as a nation, we went along for the ride (binge?). We wanted to prove we were powerful, and in so doing, diminished our power and made manifest our ever growing weakness. That’s what Republicans have to offer: weakness. Unlike Lincoln, we failed to recognize our power comes from our ideals and humility, more than from our might of arms or inclination to lash out. Though in the modern world, we are more powerful when we remain true to our friends, instead, we’ve become an international liar and a bully.
Hard to laugh about that, I’ll grant you, and yet, laugh we must, somehow. For it is through laughter and some humility that we can regain perspective, returning to our ideals, so that at least here at home, government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth. We are, after all, common people for the common good. War isn’t funny, but our resilience as people in the face of national tragedy is worth celebrating through humor.
Let the killing binge cease. Those who remain captive to national traumas act so as to perpetuate them. In clinical work, I’ve seen more than one case of the rape or sexual abuse victim spiraling into substance abuse or destructive relationships with the result that the essential conditions of the original abuse repeat themselves. Slaves to their traumatic experiences, these poor souls recreate them over and over, perhaps as some primitive attempt to gain ultimate mastery over the experience with each sequential reenactment, hoping one day to be free and whole again. This repetitive cycle can even turn a one time victim into a newly minted, violent offender, so that the blinded, self-justifying victim performs the very acts to which they had been victim in the first place, or even worse.
Nations and ethnic groups can do this as readily as individuals can: indeed, we need not read beyond the day’s front page headlines to see this repeating cycle in action ("collective punishment," anyone?). In my past clinical experience, one of the best prognostic indicators for such a suffering victim is the presence of a healthy sense of humor. If we can but step back and laugh, we ourselves need not remain captive forever to our own national traumas. We’ve done it before.
In that spirit, I give you Duck Soup.
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Me first!!
Heya OFG. How’s it going?
..or me frist…
or is it, me fitz…
Margaret Dumont !
Someone smarter than me needs to tell me if the words “humor” and “humility” come from a common root.
I can’t be first, can I?
Can anyone help me out with the email for the books for troops???
Groucho!
Chico!
Zeppo!
Harpo!
Pachacutec!
Never let it be said that I do not support our troops!
Go Navy!
Hooray for Captain Spaulding!
. . . the African Explorer
(Did someone call me “shnorrer?”)
Hooray hooray hooray!
Pach, no one is smarter than you.
Old Latin: humilitas
Latin: umor/humor
And a lovely good morning to all in this time zone–fdl 11.
Viaduct?
Someone smarter than me needs to tell me if the words “humor” and “humility” come from a common root.
What about “human”? Or “hummus”?
And Groucho’s last words: “Either this wallpaper goes or I do.”
Thanks for posting this piece, Pach. Loved it. And loved as well the “pull up a chair” this morning. Lots of wonderful comments too.
“humility” comes from from the Latin word “humilis,” meaning “low,” which, in turn, comes from the Latin “humus,” which means “earth” or “dirt” or “soil.”
“humor” comes from “a fluid”, “fluid or juice of an animal or plant,” from Anglo-Norm. humour, from O.Fr. humor, from L. umor “body fluid”
eli, how about: humdinger, ‘humpty, hump’ by digital underground (good toon), the humpinator (variation of the ‘gropinator’ peace out yall
And Groucho’s last words: “Either this wallpaper goes or I do.”
It was one of Wilde’s.
Hello, Pach. I been werkin seriously hard. Campaigns are all in hyperdrive but I’m stuck feeding America’s addiction to fossil fuels.
So, you some sorta head doctor? Laughter. Hell yes. Don’t bitch about having no shoes, because many have no feet. Best advice for emoional hurt is to go find someone and help them.
eli, how about: humdinger, ‘humpty, hump’ by digital underground (good toon), the humpinator (variation of the ‘gropinator’ peace out yall
Now you’re making me wonder about the root of the word “loopid”…
Eli, really? I’ve read it ascribed to Groucho. I guess these quips get passed around and attached to lots of celebrity writers, etc. Anyway, suits G.M.
I tried to post this morning on pull up a chair, to you know, wave at CHS and throw down some sage advice, but the tubes were all plugged up at the motel innernets. I’m gonna start packin’ Drano.
Kurt—that link’s a thing of beauty. Thanks.
Billmon hits it out of the park again ! http://billmon.org/archives/Lamont.jpg
“Say the secret woid…!”
PJ Evans
Vi not a chicken?
Ned!
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…and Marxism’s rool!
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We’re really in the ‘Soup’ now, eh?
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WFSB tv-3 claims to be ‘everywhere’ but only has about 15 secs mention of Tempations in New Haven. No campaign info. Following Joe’s observance of the Sabbath, perhaps?
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Marx Bros is Chicke..er, Duck Soup for the soul.
Thanks Pach.
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…and hooray for Eric Massa!
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http://www.marx-brothers.org/info/quotes.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H….._Be_Going_(song)
” He also sang the song as the opening number of his early 1970s Carnegie Hall concert. It was a poignant presentation, as he was old and frail by then.
Groucho
Hello, I must be going
I cannot stay
I came to say
I must be going
I’m glad I came
But just the same
I must be going… La-La!
Margaret Dumont in the film, Erin Fleming in Carnegie Hall concert
For my sake you must stay;
If you should go away,
You’ll spoil this party I am throwing
Groucho:
I’ll stay a week or two
I’ll stay the summer through
But I am telling you
I must be going”
http://www.whyaduck.com/index.htm
My personal Groucho favorite, from Flywheel, Shyster, & Flywheel:
“Hey Ravelli, stop berating that car! What do you think you are, a car berater?”
Times Editorial on Liberman-Lamont is up. It’s good, I think.
link.
They get it.
Whenever someone mentions Groucho, always think of the cable he sent back to a friend (Jack Benny?) while traveling in Europe:
ARRIVED TODAY IN VENICE STOP STREETS FILLED WITH WATER STOP PLEASE ADVISE
“Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.”
Say the secret woid..!
Swordfish!
Phredd
Does the Washington Post aspire to be The Nation’s Newspaper?
They proved tonight why they are not.
They DON’T get it.
Duck Soup for the soul.
That is what Late Nite does for me, every night. Thank you.
eli 30
That’s good for the heart!!!!
“I’d horsewhip you, if I had a horse!”
Groucho had applied to an exclusive country club but was rejected. He sniffed and said he wouldnt really want to be a member of a club that accepted people like him anyway.
That’s good for the heart!!!!
Fruit is very healthy.
Fruit flies… not so much.
eli 36
How do you know I didn’t mean the banana??
http://nedlamont.com/blog
http://nedlamont.com/blog/805/laundry-list
America is older, poorer, and less well educated because of Joe Lieberman; he has become something of a sad and pathetic figure, unable to comprehend that his moment has passed.
But it is up to us, and all of the Democratic voters of Connecticut, to send a special delivery message to tired old Joe — give it up.
How do you know I didn’t mean the banana??
Bananas aren’t fruit?
“Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside a dog, it’s too dark to read.”
When I invite a woman to dinner, I expect her to look at my face. That’s the price she has to pay. (Night at the Opera)
Nothing yet in the Boston Globe concerning a possible Nedorsement
*ilson
That joke is funny without its Jewish content, but when you realize how many clubs would not allow the Marx Brothers as members because they were Jewish, it puts a whole other angle on it.
And Woody Allen talked about that story a lot in at least two or three of his films. It’s a very poignant and painful joke for him, but very funny nonetheless.
“If you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste more like prunes than rhubarb does.”
ReneND@ 6 – I think Kirby posted the message, maybe on the pull up a chair thread.
Thanks, Pach :) It’s been a long while since I’ve seen a Marx Bros movie.
Lately I’ve been thinking a lot about Dr. Strangelove. I think it’s about time to see that one again, too.
I was being naughty , I mean snotty. Also who said #44? groucho?
For ReneND
Sending books to troops: see Kirby comment at 58 in floatophobia thread.
Kirty says: “I’ve put in a bunch of John Grisham and Patricia Cornwell type stuff. Don’t forget the great escapist Harlequin Romance stuff, too — these men and women are young and want an escape by reading.
If you will drop me an e-mail to pat[at]nursesnotebook [dot] com — I’ll give you a local address here. Shipping costs are taken care of from here to Afghanistan. My fellow nurse’s son will make sure the things get distributed.” end quote
Can’t figure out yet how to copy more than a couple of paragraphs using a laptop. Tech help?
I was being naughty , I mean snotty. Also who said #44? groucho?
Of course. It was one of the many bewildering verbal whirlwinds he inflicted on Margaret Dumont, I believe.
I didn’t realize there were so many fans here.
Heh. Figures with this crowd.
One of my fav Groucho’s:
“I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn’t arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I’m going to be happy in it.”
neuro -
Just an idea; USAToday. (sad to say)
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…”Always being a liberal, Groucho sometimes made critical remarks about politics and had friends which were regarded as communist the the US of the 1950s. This let to Groucho being investigated by the FBI.
When Marx Brothers became popular again in the late sixties/early seventies Groucho made a comeback with a show in Carnegie Hall in 1972.
At the film festival in Cannes in 1972 he was made Commandeur des Arts et Lettres and in 1974 he received a special Academy Award for the achievements of the Marx Brothers.
Groucho died on August 19th 1977 at Cedars Sinai Medical Center. His ashes are at Eden Memorial Park, San Fernando, California.
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Eden Memorial Park lat/long coordinates of LKA:
34.28138,-118.46735
(paste into GoogleMaps)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-…..p;GRid=677
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everything IS deeply intertwingled.
there were six Marx brothers
* Manfred, born in 1885 and died in infancy
* Chico — Leonard, 1887–1961
* Harpo — Adolph (later Arthur), 1888–1964
* Groucho — Julius Henry, 1890–1977
* Gummo — Milton, 1892–1977
* Zeppo — Herbert, 1901–1979
Okay, I’m a few threads behind, but that NYT endorsement was even harsher toward Lieberman most of us have been. Wow.
Suzanne, 51
that is Buddist.
Anyone ever see “Skiddo”? Insanely bizarre movie with all-star cast, including Groucho as the big boss villain (named “God”).
“Skidoo”, rather.
sandlin, i’ve always seen that attributed to groucho but i could be wrong.
a villainous character named “God” ? why did Groucho hate Americans of faith with family values?
a villanous character named “God” ? why did Groucho hate Americans of faith with family values?
I was really more concerned about the spectacle of a singing Carol Channing in kind of an Admiral-Nelson-in-a-micro-miniskirt kind of outfit.
Or the all-nude Green Bay Packers.
Pachacutec #51:
For all the diversity on FDL by pretty much any demographic parameter, do you ever get the feeling that there’s a lot of self-selection on the softer stuff? It’s not that the board is monolithic, but an awful lot of commenters seem to pick up on even pretty arcane references.
Speaking as yet another Margaret Dumont fan.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
And, of course, Jackie Gleason tripping on acid.
Did I mention that Otto Preminger directed?
“I think — tide turning — see, as I remember — I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of — it’s easy to see a tide turn — did I say those words?
–George w. Bush
06/14/2006
in response to the question “Is the tide turning in Iraq?”"
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WWGS – What Would Groucho Say (about THIS mumbo-jumbo?)
He’d create quite the rip-tide, is how I’d put it.
Or the all-nude Green Bay Packers.
now theres a movie I’ve got to see, by G*d !
now theres a movie I’ve got to see, by G*d !
I can hook you up with a bootleg from Aussie TV, just say the word…
To each his own.
Yes, I believe I will have the Duck Soup, thank you!
Things are getting us all down. We do need to find cheer wherever we can. In the past, when I faced depressing moments, I learned to appreciate “crumbs” of joy in the midst of the worst possible news.
it would be funny watch’n all the war mongers back off the limb, if it weren’t so tragic.
and this new development israel/lebanon. even some of the uber hawks seem a bit restrained.
i think it’s pretty evident it could get real ugly, real fast. not that it’s such a pretty picture now.
for humor i watch Fox news, only they aren’t funny anymore either.
ok, to lighten up a bit if you haven’t seen David Letterman smack ann couters horny ass…
ooh, i guess that should be coulters ass but you know “what’s the difference?”
Suzanne 58
I think you are right. The insanity (which becomes funny from the outside looking in) that he portrays in his movie plots is an example of his beliefs. *Don’t worry. Be happy .
Be here now
OT – The Chimp’s weekly radio address boldly proclaims his latest delusional fantasy. He’s so full of himself:
In his weekly radio address on Saturday, President Bush called the conflict in the Mideast “painful and tragic” but also “a moment of opportunity for broader change in the region,” RAW STORY has found.
“This moment of conflict in the Middle East is painful and tragic,” Bush said. “Yet it is also a moment of opportunity for broader change in the region.”
“Transforming countries that have suffered decades of tyranny and violence is difficult, and it will take time to achieve,” Bush continued. “But the consequences will be profound — for our country and the world. When the Middle East grows in liberty and democracy, it will also grow in peace, and that will make America and all free nations more secure.”
“Transforming countries that have suffered decades of tyranny and violence is difficult, and it will take time to achieve,” Bush continued.
The Chinese premier will probably be saying much the same thing about us in 2050…
Eli
You don’t have to answer, of course…
…but did you ever see Jackie Gleason tripping on acid…on acid?
Boy, this takes me back to the days of my youth when all the old movies played on regular TV (us lucky Nutmeggers received NY channels by antenna) and not on select cable stations playing their personal libraries.
I loved the Marx Bros., Charlie Chaplin and Mae West. I couldn’t stand the Three Stooges, or the Keystone Cops, but they got a lot more play.
I think the former were more cerebral humor even if it sometimes involved physical humor. The play on words that both the Marx Bros and Mae West used were great. Chaplin had a wonderful ethos about him.
…but did you ever see Jackie Gleason tripping on acid…on acid?
Heh. No – very straightedge, me.
I loved the Marx Bros., Charlie Chaplin and Mae West. I couldn’t stand the Three Stooges, or the Keystone Cops, but they got a lot more play.
What about Buster Keaton? Laurel & Hardy?
That man must take LSD every morning.
Or rather maybe he should.
Someone ought to put some of George’s speechifying next to Kim Jong Il’s…so we can see which one of them is cuh-raaaaaazier! hehe
egregious
Oh Thanks. Could not find that info. I’ll write it down now.
Sorry, i meant Bush.
Also, has anyone noticed that Howard Dean looks kinda like the middle-aged post-Little Tramp Chaplin when he smiles?
Charlie Chaplin? that flaming liberal ?
What about Buster Keaton? Laurel & Hardy?
Some watchable, some not. I wasn’t a big fan.
Someone ought to put some of George’s speechifying next to Kim Jong Il’s…so we can see which one of them is cuh-raaaaaazier! hehe
Speaking of craziness and North Korea… (Warning: textual sexual content)
sandlin, we knew who you meant.
I wouldn’t be posing nude in Green Bay–shrinkage and all.
meta,
Dubya has completely left the reservation. Declaring all those years of peace and stability in the Middle East the result of failed policies, only to proclaim what his administration has oversaw, wars, occupation, death, homelessness…a path to victory. Whadda idyat.
Speaking, as someone did earlier, of Woody Allen, some of the funniest movies I’ve ever seen were his.
I about peed my pants several times during “Sleeper.” Especially, during his revisionist history and the awkward awakening where he was powering his wheelchair directly into the the investigating doctors.
Not to mention the scenes with the Orgasmatron or that orb thingie.
I just wondered what they were “packing” in Green Bay …
Yesterday I saw this article in the Faith and Values section of the Columbus Dispatch…
Humanist leader to speak here
I was able to attend and record the event, and I have started a transcript of it here.
SharonW, I loved Sleeper; I think it’s his funniest.
I love earlier Woody Allen…Radio Days is one of my favorite movies of all time. Later Woody not so much.
I love earlier Woody Allen…Radio Days is one of my favorite movies of all time. Later Woody not so much.
It seemed like after he went serious, the first time, the comedy was never quite as good. I think he maybe got a little too hung up on the idea of being a *director*.
meta 86
Thanks.
I like Stardust Memories, but a lot of Woody Allen movies I just sit there thinking how I would never want to date him.
a friend sent me this YouTube video from an anti-abortion demonstration, in which the guy asks the demonstrators what should happend to women who get an illegal abortion. Check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnPIWqdfBug
I like Stardust Memories, but a lot of Woody Allen movies I just sit there thinking how I would never want to date him.
Wow, me too!
12, “Viaduct?”
No, why a duck?
Jack Straw (not from Wichia) cuts his buddy down:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pag…..ge_id=1770
“Cabinet dissent over the Middle East conflict has burst into the open after Commons Leader Jack Straw publicly accused the Israelis of declaring war on Lebanese civilians.
The outspoken remarks by the former Foreign Secretary opened a gaping rift with the Prime Minister, who has enraged many people in the Labour Party by refusing to criticise Israel.
Mr Straw said the Israeli onslaught against the Arab Hezbollah guerrilla fighters was hurting the “whole Lebanese nation.”
Tony Blair denied any split in the Cabinet but Mr Straw’s incendiary comments could not come at a worse time for him, as he is on a trip to the US.
In a statement issued after meeting Muslim leaders in his Blackburn constituency, Mr Straw said: “If you want to go for Hezbollah, go for Hezbollah, don’t go for the whole Lebanese nation.”…
…”However, Mr Blair said he would carry on backing Mr Bush to the hilt. “I will never apologise for Britain being a strong ally of the United States,” he told the BBC.
And he played down reports of a Cabinet row on Thursday. “There was a perfectly good discussion at Cabinet. It certainly wasn’t divisive.”
Meanwhile, essential aid has been piling up in Beirut after Israel rejected a UN plea for a three-day ceasefire aimed at getting supplies to families in the worst-hit areas. Israel said it had already opened up safe corridors but Hezbollah was blocking them.”…
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http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/jstraw.html
“…Keep a rolling
Just a mile to go
Keep on rolling, my old buddy
You’re moving much too slow
I just jumped the watchman
Right outside the fence
Took his ring, four bucks in change
Now ain’t that heaven sent?
Hurts my ears to listen, Shannon
Burns my eyes to see
Cut down a man in cold blood, Shannon
Might as well be me
We used to play for silver
Now we play for life
One’s for sport and one’s for blood
At the point of a knife
Now the die is shaken
Now the die must fall
There ain’t a winner in this game
Who don’t go home with all
Not with all…”
I saw an old clip of Woody Allen doing a stand-up routine at some college. It was very political and he absolutely killed. Great stuff, very biting.
OFG, it’s always so good to see you. It’s great that you find your way to a keyboard along all the great and not-so-great highways.
Bush’s topsy turvy speeches are becoming absolutely indecipherable. That thing he did with Tony Blair the other day was incomprehensible. I can’t imagine anyone being impressed. But it happens, I guess. He’s wants to take all the credit for blowing up the world and calling it a march toward freedom.
Bush’s topsy turvy speeches are becoming absolutely indecipherable. That thing he did with Tony Blair the other day was incomprehensible.
There really does seem to be some precipitous deterioration ever since the G-8 summit. I wonder what’s up.
Speaking of craziness and North Korea… (Warning: textual sexual content)
That was very blinky!
That was very blinky!
Kinky-blinky!
WASHINGTON (AP) — Presidential adviser Karl Rove said Saturday that journalists often criticize political professionals because they want to draw attention away from the “corrosive role” their own coverage plays in politics and government.
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Awww.. shucks.. don’t ya feel for the guy? Mr Corrosive is getting corroded by a free press…
I think what’s up is he’s cracking up.
You think Lieberman is a self-pitying, narcissistic morass?
Bush is even weaker, even worse. And the stakes for Bush and his buddies are higher: investigations current, Congress ready to fall to the Dems. . .
Steve Gilliard has been saying for a while that Bush won’t finish his term, not due to impeachment, but because he’s just going to crack under the weight of it all, physically, mentally. I’ve always thought that was an out there prediction, but now I’m not so sure.
Well, Parachutic, nice try. Didn’t it occur to you that most people were bound to play the Groucho tape before reading your sermon?
I’ve heard it said that William Macy has the roll of Ned Flanders locked up, should a movie version of The Simpson’s ever be made. You, as surely, were born to play the Reverend Lovejoy. Break a leg.
Woody Allen has done some good work. I liked Annie Hall of course, but also I thought Interiors, Manhattan and Bullets over Broadway were really good. Husbands and Wives was one of the most miserable movies I’ve ever seen. Torture. And then there’s the fact that the man is a mess.
Steve Gilliard has been saying for a while that Bush won’t finish his term, not due to impeachment, but because he’s just going to crack under the weight of it all, physically, mentally. I’ve always thought that was an out there prediction, but now I’m not so sure.
On the one hand, I kind of want to see that. On the other hand, well, there’s The Button. Plus I’m not sure that there’s any such thing as “too crazy” for the Republicans now.
When I lived in Manhattan, I used to go down to Michael’s Pub with a bunch of nurses from Belleview and listen to Jazz. Woody played the Clarinet pretty good. I used to see him in the street a lot. I lived on 86th street for years.
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Groucho: I’m going to Iowa for an award. Then I’m appearing at Carnegie Hall, it” sold out. Then I’m sailing to France to be honored by the French Government I’d give it all up for one erection.
Woody started going downhill when he wanted to be the Jewish Ingmar Bergman.
Hell, even Tweety has turned on ‘em.
I actually walked right into the filming of Annie Hall. I was 18 and living in the Village at the time and working on Wall St. during the summer between my freshman and sophomore years at college. It was one helluva summer.
I was walking home one night and suddenly noticed the street seemed incredibly bright so dislocating myself from the usual attitude-walk one must assume in order to not be hassled, I looked around and noticed these huge, tall spotlights everywhere. I had interupted the “first kiss” scene between him and Diane Keaton. The one where they decided to kiss at the beginning of the date to get it out of the way.
I was dumbfounded as I saw them across the street.
I got an e-mail from a dear friend this week who has never been very political. It was slanted in a direction which most poltical views are.
A discussion has started from the distribution list with a couple of strangers about prejudice and hate.
I’m very proud of my friend. She had enough. She spoke out about it, and a dialogue has started with some folks with divergent views.
Blub, corrosive role? Sorry, I don’t get it. The press has been sitting in his freakin’ lap for six years. Maybe he means creamy.
I found this last night: Marty Feldman’s Beast in the Basket skit. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..earch=Flip Wilson
I lived on 86th street for years.
Really? I lived on 82nd & West End Ave for the first 20 years of my life.
I liked Woody Allen playing the cello in a marching band. Saw on it a few times, jump up and drag his chair for a bit, sit down and saw three more times…
I lived on Seventh Ave above a gay headshop (yes, it’s hard to describe) and an S&M store for 3 months. LOL
But Bush’s arrogance would never let him crack up! Who would build his library? The worse things get, the meaner/nastier he becomes. I kind of expect him to rip David Gregory’s head right off his body one day soon. Murder I.
#115 “sitting in his freakin’ lap for six years”
Probably bemoaning the diminishment of his ability to intimidate them. They’re corroded if they can’t be cowed. I’d hate to see what he has to say about the liberal blogosphere.
I liked Woody Allen playing the cello in a marching band. Saw on it a few times, jump up and drag his chair for a bit, sit down and saw three more times…
I liked the psychoanalyst scene in Zelig, where his social chameleon character starts spouting psychological gibberish back at the therapist.
I lived between 1st and 2nd for about 8 years. When I first moved into NY, I pretended I was a nurse and lived in the Belleview dorm for $60.00 a month for 2 years…my girlfriend was a nurse and they gave you 2 rooms and a bathroom. There was a community kitchen on each floor. So, she make her little living room a bedroom for me. Great times. I had to wear a trench coat and white shoes to get in and out. It was worth it. Had a ball there. But Yorkville (86th) was the best. I had a 4th floor walk-up. I sure miss that apt.
I still remember watching Sleeper in the movie theater and how hard I laughed. I love Woddy Allen’s earlier films, not so much a fan anymore.
I kind of expect him to rip David Gregory’s head right off his body one day soon. Murder I.
I’m pretty sure it would play out exactly the same way as Dick’s… “exchange” with Pat Leahy. Right down to the preznit saying that he felt better afterwards.
Blub, the abusers are losing control? When that happens, they get meaner and more violent. Hope Karl stick with words.
“I’d hate to see what he has to say about the liberal blogosphere.”
Bring it on. I’d love to see what the blogz would do to him if they really got focused in that direction.
Pach @ 106
Looks like it to me too. Oh, I think he’ll finish his term because they’ll cover for him. But the weird things he says and the seeming lack of impulse control are just…I don’t know.
#120. “Who would build his library?”
Does he really get a library? What would he put in it? .. thought he classified every piece of paper that ever originated from the imperial throne…
G’nite folks.
Hello, I must be going.
What’s Dubya’s latest JAR? Is it still below freezing?
Perhaps it will be a library of Bushisms.
What would they put in it?
This is a setup, right?
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“My Pet Goat.”
ccmask – where on 86th? I lived on 86 between Columbus and Amsterdam from ‘70 until … ummm 76 or something, 89th for a short while before that …
and Eli … 82 & west end … cool! My ex’s family had a place there but earlier, then my asian history prof lived in the same place for a while … good spot … near Integral Yoga, yes?
the only library i envision in bush’s future has bars on the windows.
“My Pet Goat.”
And “The Very Hungry Caterpillar”.
I still remember watching Sleeper in the movie theater and how hard I laughed. I love Woddy Allen’s earlier films, not so much a fan anymore.
Yeah, Woody started taking himself too fucking seriously.
I don’t remember the name of it, but there was a turning point movie wherein I thought “Cripes man, get over yourself. Neither you or your self-indulgent studies in psychology friends are all that fascinating.”
G’nite, he who honors ink, or something lke that.
#131: JAR
Hovering around 36%/55%. Nothing much has happened to it in weeks. We need another scandal…
Eli, you owe me a beer.
IF bush cracks, with dick shot-an-old-guy-inna-face cheney still vp… i hate to even think about it.
Except for a few words amounting to an avuncular pat on the head, the Times endorsement of Lamont was entirely about why they don’t like Lieberman. So even the Times has yet to pick up on Ned’s real potential to shake up things. He is the real Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, even looks a bit like Jimmy Stewart. A presidential run in 2016 sounds about right.
and Eli … 82 & west end … cool! My ex’s family had a place there but earlier, then my asian history prof lived in the same place for a while … good spot … near Integral Yoga, yes?
I don’t remember the yoga place, but it *was* two blocks away from H&H Bagels in one direction, and the Loews
TwinTrioQuadMultiplex in the other.Eli, you owe me a beer.
Heh. Maybe we need an FDLCon or something.
Man, is David Broder “Bananas”? His article tomorrow about Leaverman has that insidious slant against true liberalism, which prevails in most of the major media. He actually calls Lamont supporters “elitist insurgents.” Let him know what you think about his latest work!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..70_pf.html
SharonW, that’s such a very famous moment in the film to disrupt! A similar very much less glamorous thing happened to my. American Express was filming a commercial in my apartment building and they took over the whole place for 2 days. I was coming home from work feeling very tired and single-mindedly just wanting to get home, sit down and chill. I guess I was spaced out or something, but I just plowed through all of them up my front steps and when I walked into the lobbyI guess I blew their whole scene. I felt stupid and pissed at the same time.
Blub nailed it at 9:43
Polling Report
suin: I lived on 23rd from 74-76 and on 86th until I moved to Florida in 1984. We were neighbors. My best girlfriend lives on 90th between 1st and 2nd. I visit her once or twice a year. Do you still live in the city?
Elitist insurgent uncouth rabbid lambs?
They need to make up their fucking minds.
With that, I really do need to crash.
Frank Probst @ 8:48 pm (#55) – I’m just getting caught up, too. It was quite an editorial. They said it all in one sentence:
I’m glad at least part of the NYTimes gets it. Now if they could just work on the rest of the editorial staff…
Meta, what I didn’t mention was how I tried to get in the scene after that. They had pushed me off into the crowd, but I sided up against the buildings and tried to hide in the shadows of a doorway. They caught me and said they had enough extras. :)
Gahhh, you mean he’s had a tick up? Wasn’t he down to about 31% ???
I lived on 86th street for years.
Really? I lived on 82nd & West End Ave for the first 20 years of my life.
City Boy
He actually calls Lamont supporters “elitist insurgents.”
Well we are kicking the folks who feed him cookies out of office. And we know Jane can be about giving him cookies before bedtime.
Poor guy, maybe he just needs a hug!
laughing … good ole 86th st!
ccmask … nope, at the time I was a married child and we moved to CT … stayed there through most of my marriage (westbrook, bridgeport, new haven and post divorce in rocky hill) then headed to New Hampshire … last year moved to Chicago and adore it! could never do NYC again and get antsy when I’m there for biz but Chicago makes me sing!
Wow, SharonW, you coulda been a contenda!
Wow, and I missed this thread.
How typical…
bonkers, easy there.
I thought that was a pretty good article by Broder.
…”From what I saw last week, this fight is a complete mismatch. The party regulars supporting Lieberman have a candidate. The rebels backing Lamont have a cause. And I came away convinced that the people with the cause are likely to win — at least this first round…
One night last week the party establishment, led by former president Bill Clinton and Connecticut’s other Democratic senator, Chris Dodd, whipped up an orchestrated show of enthusiasm for the three-term incumbent, whose support of the Iraq war and friendship with President Bush have put his nomination in jeopardy. But none of them — including Lieberman — made any effort to deal with what Clinton called “the pink elephant in the room,” the massive public revulsion in this state for Bush’s war in Iraq.
Ignoring the issue won’t work. Perhaps for some voters, Lieberman’s three decades of constituency service — the jobs he’s saved, the grants and contracts he’s helped secure — entitle him to another term. But how many of them will be motivated enough by gratitude to vote in a mid-summer primary is uncertain. Lieberman has put out a call to friends in Washington to bolster his lagging get-out-the-vote effort, but he has little time to catch up.
For many Connecticut Democrats, the overriding motive is to send a message against the war, against the Bush administration, against Washington — everything that Lieberman represents to them. On the night after the Clinton-Lieberman rally in Waterbury’s Palace Theater, I came here to meet with some of these voters among the 200 people attending a wine and cheese fundraiser with Lamont and his wife, sponsored by a coalition of feminist organizations.
One woman, Karen Schuessler of Ridgefield, told me she had bought an expensive ticket to a Lieberman fundraiser last December so she could tell him directly how much she opposed the war. “He told me, ‘Things are looking better over there. They’re voting. They have a constitution.’ I thought, ‘What a moron!’ The next month, I went to the first dump-Lieberman meeting…..”"
Bad link, sorry.
City Boy
Pachacutec @ 9:28 pm (#106) – If Bush does implode, I don’t think it will be due to his conscience bothering him. It’s conceivable, though, that in the end he’ll just fall apart because no one appreciates all the good he’s done (from his perspective, of course, not from mine), or that all his wonderful plans have come to naught.
Yeah, what happens on 86th stays on 86! lol
“elitist insurgents”???? WTF, are we snotty terrorists now? Broder, you old fart, hook it up and dial yourself in. Ass.
If Bush does implode, I don’t think it will be due to his conscience bothering him. It’s conceivable, though, that in the end he’ll just fall apart because no one appreciates all the good he’s done (from his perspective, of course, not from mine), or that all his wonderful plans have come to naught.
I think the crackage will be more likely due to all the stress and demands of the office. He likes the perks of being president, but he can’t stand the work and obligations, even at the minimal level that he’s managed to maintain for himself.
Wow, SharonW, you coulda been a contenda!
Yeah, when I see the movie in reruns on TV and see the one guy they allowed to hang in a doorway I think “Damn, that coulda…no…it shoulda been me!”
:D
Millineryman -
That email comment is some of the best, most hopeful news I’ve seen in some time. (Besides Quinnipiac polling results, NYT endorsement, etc.)
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BBC running interview w/House of Lords ‘Lord Somebody’ for last 8 yrs. decrying the growing gap b/t highend money and the rest, buying Peerages (Tony’s own dirty lil secret fundraising scandal.) Shocking.
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wrt Bush = Gen. Jack D. Ripper, I’m thinking maybe Murtha and Kerry have made calls to their best buddies in the Pentagon to belay that. I sure hope it is being discussed, and gamed, somewhere by somebody in the know and ability to do what needs to be done. Because it looks entirely too possible.
“Who could have imagined…”
Can’t wait to tell my friends that I’m an elitist. Those puzzled expressions will be comedy gold.
I lived in NYC from 67-71 but I was an East Side hippie.
Can’t wait to tell my friends that I’m an elitist. Those puzzled expressions will be comedy gold.
It might sound a little too… self-referential in my case.
Eli @ 9:55 pm (#163) – He’s pretty good at taking it easy. It’s possible, I suppose, but I’m skeptical that he’ll damage himself from either overwork or experiencing the real stress of the job.
from the NYT article “He told me, ‘Things are looking better over there. They’re voting…..
yeah, Joe should get the purple finger of fate award.
If Mr. Lieberman had once stood up and taken the lead in saying that there were some places a president had no right to take his country even during a time of war, neither he nor this page would be where we are today. But by suggesting that there is no principled space for that kind of opposition, he has forfeited his role as a conscience of his party, and has forfeited our support.
(from the NyTimes editorial)
OUCH! That’s gonna leave a mark.
Back on topic now-ok, silly movies are important, but so is loud music. I saw CSN&Y last night and I feel better today than I have in quite a while. Maybe that’s just me. Occasional distractions and pure silliness are important in this world. They give us a chance to relax, catch our breath and start the fight anew.
Onward and upward fellow firedoglakers!
Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and friends; the Marx Bros. of the current generation. They make ME laugh, at least.
al-Scooter @ 9:57 pm (#166) – I don’t know, can you spell Ireland’s favorite tuber?
He’s pretty good at taking it easy. It’s possible, I suppose, but I’m skeptical that he’ll damage himself from either overwork or experiencing the real stress of the job.
I think he is stressed. I think he actually knows he’s in completely over his head, and that more and more people know it. I agree he’s probably not working real hard, but I’m pretty sure he envisioned himself being CEO of America, just telling people what to do and never really having to actually explain himself.
The best place to eat was that German place that had the best breakfast ever. There was a red haired man that cooked your eggs in little pans. The place had a really long counter and the best sausage, kaiser rolls, home fries. A couple of years ago I walked over and it was gone. I was devastated.
Bobby St. Chomsky @ 10:00 pm (#172) – I keep scanning Crooks and Liars, hoping for some fresh Colbert or Daily Show highlights.
ps: 86th and between 2nd and 3rd.
The best place to eat was that German place that had the best breakfast ever. There was a red haired man that cooked your eggs in little pans. The place had a really long counter and the best sausage, kaiser rolls, home fries. A couple of years ago I walked over and it was gone. I was devastated.
I miss knishes. And the grape leaves at the Greek place across the street from my Dad’s place on 69th. And Hunan Park on (73rd? 74th?).
Eli @ 10:01 pm (#174) – Given his speaking skills, explaining himself is probably stressful no matter what his attitude about the idea.
I got stopped in the street the other day by a couple of British tourists who needed directions. They were a very well dressed elderly couple, very sweet and conservative looking. After I told them how to get to where they were going, they asked me rather sheepishly and out of the blue what I thought of Bush. I was caught off guard but quickly replied, I hate him. Their eyes really twinkled and they went on about how much the British hate Blair and Bush. They said they participated in that huge London march against the war. And then they went on their merry way. The whole thing was about 5 minutes and pretty funny in a random sort of way.
If you want to read some really nasty anti-Lamont press, try Jane’s post, “Iraq is in flames, but what did Ned have for dinner.” about the AP’s coverage.
Well, I gotta hit the sack. I have to go to Tampa in the morning to visit an account. Have a nice Sunday to all.
Eli @ 10:01 pm (#174) – Given his speaking skills, explaining himself is probably stressful no matter what his attitude about the idea.
Very true, although it seems more to me that he’s simply resentful of having to explain himself.
He’s the decider, not the explainer.
Oh, Eli. I love knishes, chocolate egg creams, gyros, and of course, those damn bagels!
H&H bagels!!!
Oh, Eli. I love knishes, chocolate egg creams, gyros, and of course, those damn bagels!
I could really go for some H&H onion bagels. I’m probably going to be back in NYC on Labor Day weekend, and I’ve been trying to decide where to go for my next photo excursion there, and I think I just have.
Now I just have to figure out who I can have lunch with at Hunan Park (maybe I can drag my sister up there)…
meta: That happened to me too in New York last month. I was sitting in the Carnegie Deli with a 10 foot high Pastrami sandwich and 2 Australians next to me asked the same thing and my response was very very similar to yours!
I’ve always liked the following joke from Abraham Lincoln, but what really impressed me when I first read it was that he prefaced it with a lengthy description about the question being one that’s puzzled people for many centuries and deep, serious philosophers have pondered it for eons, etc., etc.
You could just tell the guy had had a really hard, stressful day and was delighted to be able to turn his mind to something fun and frivolous:
“Well,” he said, “I should think a man’s legs ought to be long enough to reach from his body to the ground.”
Those Everything bagels are the best. With Strawberry cream cheese.
you can just eat those suckers like apples. I had never really had a bagel before I went to college in NYC and tried H&H.
Wow! The NYT Lamont OpEd is really quite good. My, oh, my. I’d highly recommend that anyone clicking to the NYT to read that Lamont OpEd also click on ‘NYT VIDEOS’ and view the one on fundamentalism and religion — there’s a very thoughtful, engaging set of interviews done with two ministers in Minn/St Paul on the topic of religion and politics. Excellent piece of work by NYT, worth the mouse clicks.
OilFieldGuy has some Internet Drano…?! OMG! Someone tell Sen Ted Stevens that OilFieldGuy is declogging the Internet’s ‘pipes’ — now all the ‘trucks’ that run on the ‘Internets pipes’ can deliver Sen Stevens’ email speedily.
However… it might arrive with a remixed soundtrack ;-)))
you can just eat those suckers like apples. I had never really had a bagel before I went to college in NYC and tried H&H.
I grew up with them; I figured they were just average, ordinary bagels.
Blank 164
Thanks, it just goes to show the power of one person taking a stand. Now you have some hope (which is my friend’s middle name btw) and it’s all good.
Didn’t Bush once say that one of the great things about being president was that people had to explain themselves to him, but not the other way around?
In any case, if he does crack up in office, I suspect he’ll one-up Nixon and wander the halls shooting at the portraits. With Saddam’s pistol.
#174 et al, “taking it easy”
Remember how Clinton aged so much over his two terms…
Look at this 2000 photo of our man in charge…
http://history.sandiego.edu/ge…..-cover.jpg
Compare that to this 2006 photo:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..-515h.html
Has he aged a day?
In any case, if he does crack up in office, I suspect he’ll one-up Nixon and wander the halls shooting at the portraits. With Saddam’s pistol.
“Damn you, Washington! Always looking down on me like you’re so much better than I am! Well, I’ll show you! I’ll show *all* of you!!!”
It was such a surprise to me – My mom grew up in Queens, and would tell us that we were really missing out, she refused to eat the Lender’s bagels from the grocery store, and after I had a realy NY bagel, I understood.
sherocket: Yeah, that was actually my diet too living there. My brownstone I lived in just opened a bagel place on the ground floor. Wish it had been there when I was there.
Look at this 2000 photo of our man in charge…
He looks like a vampire.
(”Lestat, c’est moi”?)
ccmask – I lived on the ones near campus (either salt or sesame), but special occasions required a subway trip south to the H&H.
John Casper #158:
Maybe I’m just too sensitive to this issue since it’s been so pervasive for so long, but I felt the article has that “liberals are unhinged” feel to it. I’m also getting annoyed with the idea that all this is happening JUST because of the “war.” We know here that there are many, many more reasons that Joe must go, but nary a mention of those in “Bananas” Broder’s screed. This kind of messaging, unchecked for many years now, is a big reason our country is in the Constitutional crisis we are currently in.
I think I’m more of a rabid lamb than a elitist insurgent anyway. Can you be elite and still be struggling to pay your credit card bill each month, and not have health insurance? I guess I could just be an insurgent though. Thanks, Mr. Broder, may I have another?!?
One of the very great films of all time; ‘City Lights’ music by, directed by, written and choreographed by and starring Charlie Chaplin. Tears by me (for about 10 minutes after the movie ended).
Meta, I met a guy from Texas, a support guy from one of the office services we use. He had just come up here to CT to work for this company.
Anyway, he said something about being from Texas and I remarked how he didn’t have an accent and he said he actually was born in CT and didn’t move to Texas until he was 12.
I told him how unlike our President he was who was also born here, wherein he cautiously went into a semi-rant about about Bush. He HAD been a Republican and he never saw this coming. He never would have imagined the type of guy he would turn out to be. I told him I was a Dem and what do you think we were all getting riled up about from the start? I said, “We saw it coming!”
This was the third republican I’ve met who actually apologized to me for their vote. However, that he was a Texas Republican to boot just made my day. :)
sherocket @ 10:13 pm (#197) – Sounds like I need to avoid the bagels if I’m ever in New York again.
Another good place was Jackson Hole hamburgers on 2nd Avenue and maybe 82nd street. It was across from the Comic Strip. Geez…I miss the restaurants…
Eli, I’m with you re: W’s delicate condition. Just add in tonight’s Rove story and we get growing concern on their part that the tried-and-true formula isn’t working. Remember, polls haven’t budged after all of Josh Bolten’s massive efforts to get W’s JAR over 40, with the M$M proclaiming a Bush bounce without evidence of same. And they still couldn’t make it happen.
In spite of all the cartoon images of Bush, the guy isn’t quite that dumb. I’d guess he has the occasional lucid moment when he knows the game is up and, per Billmon (IIRC), he’s going to leave office as the most reviled president in the country’s history.
I just hope he and Dr. Karl aren’t tempted to double the dose to try to get some improvement. That’d seal the deal on war with Iran, with all the next-order disasters entailing.
g’nite all- for real this time!
“Deconstructing Harry,” “Melinda and Melinda,” two extremely good late Woody movies.
In spite of all the cartoon images of Bush, the guy isn’t quite that dumb.
He’s more inept than stupid. But I think you have to be scary smart to be an even halfway effective president, and Bush is *not* scary smart.
Millineryman -
Gotcha.
BBC going all out to ‘cover’ Rice trip. ‘Optomistic’…etc.
Lipstick on pig. This is a charade, imho. Israeli’s want to be sure Hezbullah (sorry sp?) is disarmed. Hell, ask Tony how long it took to confirm disarming IRA (hint: I think it just happened.)
Jerusalem, we have a problem.
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East coast birdies are already warming up. I’ll need to rest my voice to match their songs.
g’nite.
Cujo359 – it is kind of a problem- I don’t really like to eat bagels any more either, they just make me think of how good they aren’t. Like the peaches and tomatoes here in LA, versus the ones I had every summer at home in Atlanta.
it is kind of a problem- I don’t really like to eat bagels any more either, they just make me think of how good they aren’t.
Fortunately, I am enough of a philistine to enjoy substandard bagels.
Especially if they’re pumpernickel.
I grew up with them; I figured they were just average, ordinary bagels.
I had my first bagel when I lived in NY. My boyfriend was Jewish and introduced this little schiksa (sp?) to lots of new things, including the word “schmuck” which nearly got me fired from my Wall St. job. :)
sherocket @ 10:21 pm (#210) – I’m that way with pizza and cheese steaks out here. Nothing’s near as those food items were back east. Meanwhile, I can still enjoy store-bought bagels and Philly cream cheese without regrets.
Blank Kludge @ 10:20 pm (#209) – I can’t imagine anything useful coming out of this process, given all the preconditions Bushco have added to it. But it wouldn’t be the first time I was surprised with these things.
Oh, and I’m getting the feeling that how you spell Arabic names in the roman alphabet is pretty much a personal thing.
I’m that way with pizza and cheese steaks out here. Nothing’s near as those food items were back east.
My stepmother is from Philly, and has yet to find a non-Philly cheesesteak that measures up to the real thing.
Me, I also miss NY-style pizza, with the thin crust and the orange grease. Mmm…
My sister-in-law’s a special ed teacher. Back in the halcyion days when the old, original stem cell debate was the biggest thing going, she and I listened to one of Bush’s statements on an NPR broadcast. She swore that he’s learning-disabled, not dyslexic but something similar. He has an idea of what he wants to express, but he can’t get the words out. And no, he’s nowhere close to scary smart. So he does the “gut level” decision-making, which isn’t even as reliable as a coin toss.
Yikesamente!
I think it is probably my Mom’s example wearing off on me -
re Sharon W – the introduction to yiddish was also an eyeopener for me . . . I quit hanging out with the marching band once I understood what they meant by singing “shiksas are just for practice . . .”
Oh, and I’m getting the feeling that how you spell Arabic names in the roman alphabet is pretty much a personal thing.
You say Usama, and I say Osama
You say Hizbollah, and I say Hezbollah…
Eli @ 10:27 pm (#215) – Me, I also miss NY-style pizza, with the thin crust and the orange grease.
They’re probably good even without the grease, but I’ve never seen them without it.
oops … dtr came home and I got distracted … we used to go to zabars (back when it was just a brilliant neighborhood deli) every saturday night on our way home from whatever, get bagels, nova, cream cheese, grab the Sunday Times which hit the newsstands at 9pm and then hole up all Sunday reading and munching until it was time to meet friends for chinese which I took to be a NYC ritual – chinese on sunday.
loved the palascinta (sp?) at Hungarian Rendevouz but breakfast was always at the Blue Star greek diner … no variation allowed.
loved ny then … afternoons at the thalia and catching the xtown bus to the metropolitan museum … pretty magic
Let’s call the whole thing off.
They’re probably good even without the grease, but I’ve never seen them without it.
I’m pretty sure the grease is an essential part of the Total New York Pizza Experience.
Cujo – the grease is the best part, holds it all together.
we used to go to zabars (back when it was just a brilliant neighborhood deli) every saturday night
I don’t remember ever actually buying anything there, but the inside of Zabar’s was one of the best smells on earth.
zabars … the sister of an irish nun I knew was the first woman ever to be trained at zabar’s to cut lox … it was a very big deal
damn … now I am soooo hungry!
You know Lenders bagels? The Lenders live right here in Woodbridge, CT. They sold out Lenders Bagels to some big company, can’t remember which, Kraft maybe, but their bagels were great when they had their own storefront restaurants.
Nice brothers, too, but some real hard stories recently. They and various family are/were clients of my business. Boy did they make some serious money, but it’s more true what they say about health. When you have that you have everything.
al-Scooter @ 10:27 pm (#216) – Bush just strikes me as a smart guy who has no intellectual curiosity. Maybe that’s really a pathological condition, but he just strikes me as someone who has never had much use for learning. Maybe there’s some sort of learning disorder at the heart of that attitude, but whatever the reason, the result is someone who’s very smart about the very few things he’s learned how to do (such as ingratiate himself with people) and not a bit interested in anything else.
According to what I read of his commanders’ evaluations while he was a fighter pilot, he was very good at it for a beginner. Clearly, he could learn when motivated.
Thanks for the response bonkers.
Cujo 227:
He *may* be very smart, but he has absolutely zero judgment, and is unable/unwilling to accept any information or reasoning which conflicts with his desires or preconceived notions.
sherocket @ 10:29 pm (#223) – I always assumed the grease was meant to be lubricant. How else could someone eat half a pie in a couple of hours?
Cujo at 10:36 (#230) – I guess my mental image was like linseed oil for mixing paint – possibly that the medium is the message for pizza, just like everything else.
re Sharon W – the introduction to yiddish was also an eyeopener for me . . . I quit hanging out with the marching band once I understood what they meant by singing “shiksas are just for practice . . .”
LOL! Well, luckily my boyfriend at the time wasn’t of that ilk. But, neither did he warn me that schmuck meant a tad more than “jerk.”
I happen to love yiddish. Never was there a language in which the words sound exactly like what they describe. Forgive my horrendous spelling – schlemel, bubkis, speilkus, etc.
Cujo –
Even if they *have* a plan, and they REALLY want to broker some kind of cease-fire/peace accord, call me when it works.
…about your spelling primer, I agree. ;~>
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BBC gonna interview 3 Brit/Jews about why they want to and are moving to Israel. All I can say, when I first heard about this in U.S. citizens, all I thought about was if I were intent on getting to Ulster a few years back (before Bubba gave all of us the ‘Good Friday’ agreement) what would I have in mind. Hint: it wouldn’t have much to do with attending Mass.
With that, I REALLY must be going…
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…dreams of venemous, rabid, ‘electrified’ sheep ‘baaaah’ (in the most venemous, rabid voice possible) are calling.
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peace.
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“Elitist Insurgent”——–I LIKE IT!
Eli @ 10:36 pm (#229) – I mean smart as in he’s able to learn, at least in some ways, and is very good at his people skills, which also require some learning, BTW. Judgement requires knowledge, plus some character and experience. I can’t speak for his character, but lack of intellectual curiosity is a good way of ensuring one doesn’t acquire knowledge.
Love all this movie chat, but an actual real funny thing happened to me, and for those of you still awake, here it is:
We were on the patio in a bar this afternoon in The Castro, when the quiet beer-drinking and pot-smoking was interrupted by the rag-tag end of “PRD IV: Paul Reubens Day #4″ — more than two dozen cuties, each “dressed as your own Pee Wee.” The goal was 40,000 PeeWees roaming SF but I don’t know how close they got to their numerical goal. They certainly made our day, though, with much “la,la,la” and “HA HA!”
There were several PeeWees, a Pi-Wee, a Me-Wee, a Twee-Wee, a Pee-on-Me-Wee, a Cowgirl Curtis, and a Penny (with the spectacle lenses surrounded by pennies, remember?!!). There was also a Naughty PeeWee who had a rubber chicken she choked, quite an impressive decolletage, and a micro-min skirt with open stitching up the back. We were all tempted to say to her, “PeeWee, your BUTT is showing!”
And, of course, today’s secret word was BUTT.
Hilarity ensued.
Lieberman’s Eroding Base
“Many Democratic Faithful Support a Political Newcomer Rather Than the Senator Who Has Not Toed Party Line”
Hey guys, everyone knows the pizza capital of the U.S. is New Haven. Why CT has more Italians than any other state and the infamous Sallie’s and Pepe’s.
However, I do remember one pizza place in the Village where the pizza was to die for. It had a one person name like “Louie’s” or something, no wait maybe “Ray’s.” It was on a corner and there would be a line out of the door at lunch. Ring a bell with anyone?
SharonW – a lot of yiddish words seem to mean MORE than the corresponding english word. I was trying to explain mensch the other day, and it was very difficult to convey.
TeddySanFran @ 10:43 pm (#236) – What, no one dressed up as his vampire character in Buffy The Vampire Slayer? It’s easily my favorite Paul Rubens role.
Best pizza I ever had was a little place on the Boardwalk in Ocean City, New Jersey. Haven’t been back there before junior high, and can’t remember the name for the life of me. It was apparently a local chain, they had several of them just on the Boardwalk.
It too was a little on the greasy side hehe.
It had a one person name like “Louie’s” or something, no wait maybe “Ray’s.” It was on a corner and there would be a line out of the door at lunch. Ring a bell with anyone?
Almost certainly Ray’s.
I can’t speak for his character, but lack of intellectual curiosity is a good way of ensuring one doesn’t acquire knowledge.
I think his character speaks for itself.
Cujo, I was going to post this new Billmon link before heading for bed:
http://billmon.org/archives/002595.html
…and I saw your #228 and Eli’s #230. IMO, W’s certainly no MENSA. Both he and Rove are products of dysfunctional childhoods, though for different reasons, but interpersonal coping skills are essential for survival in such an environment.
They both succeed by pushing the ethical envelope and raising the ante until their opponents folded, and I don’t see that style changing. Their results show a regression to the mean of late: their opponents have learned and are adapting, and their luck’s running out.
That might or might not be good news for the rest of us.
‘Night, all!
Oh, I so totally get mensch. I get it all. I remember an old joke about subtle differences in the language and just found it on Wiki:
“A shlemiel is somebody who often spills his soup; a shlimazl is the person the soup lands on.”
I know there’s another joke that involves a courtroom situation, but damned if I can remember it.
He’s pretty good at taking it easy. It’s possible, I suppose, but I’m skeptical that he’ll damage himself from either overwork or experiencing the real stress of the job
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Don’t forget the abuse of drugs and alcohol, that’s bound to be the straw that…………..
“A shlemiel is somebody who often spills his soup; a shlimazl is the person the soup lands on.”
Then what’s a hassenpfeffer?
wrt Bush’s intellect, a few weeks ago Digby linked to this long article from the October 2000 Vanity Fair: THE ACCIDENTAL CANDIDATE by Gail Sheehy. Interesting read overall, including a few anecdotes about Bush’s early academic and family life.
A rabbit version of Groucho Marx
Has anyone ever seen The President’s Analyst? Brilliant little film.
The man is an emotional cripple with not a mote of human empathy. A child cannot have emotional sustenance withdrawn from it, as W did when the sister Robin fell ill and died, and grow up whole.
He might as well have been raised in one of those horrible Romanian orphanages (where soulless deadly spies come from in movies) as have been raised by Poppy and Bar. They were incapable of parenting due to their grief. Mothers of that age — I know whereof I speak — were not counseled away from the martini shaker. Methinks that’s where Poppy and Bar sought their solace after the death of little Robin. Completely ignoring the little sociopath underfoot.
Almost certainly Ray’s.
Is it still there? Now that wasn’t greasy pizza. It sure rocked. I especially loved their thick crust pizza. I don’t think they called it deep-dish or any such back in the late 70’s.
John Casper @ 10:44 pm (#237) – Hmmm, does this sound right?
Yes, he’s lukewarm on the environment, and maybe not so supportive of Bush tax policy, but he’s not been much of a friend of gays lately, and I don’t think labor’s all that happy about his free trade religion. Oh, and he’s supported privatizing Social Security before he was against it, or wasn’t – we’re still not sure.
So where do these reporters get this from? From the lobbying groups, maybe?
Cujo — from the damned scorecards, that’s where they get that swill, from the National Incumbency Festival Scorecards.
All Hail Marx and Lennon!…
…but all Bozos are on the Goper bus…
Is it still there? Now that wasn’t greasy pizza. It sure rocked. I especially loved their thick crust pizza. I don’t think they called it deep-dish or any such back in the late 70’s.
I’m pretty sure Ray’s is a big deal in NYC.
Then what’s a hassenpfeffer?
Fatal Attraction. :)
TeddySanFran @ 10:59 pm (#254) – from the damned scorecards, that’s where they get that swill
Kinda thought so. Just check the scorecards, and he looks OK. Unfortunately, he seems to let us down just when we need him the most, like on Alito, and of course, he makes it easier for the Republicans to push stuff through just by not doing anything to resist them.
I’m pretty sure Ray’s is a big deal in NYC.
Original Ray’s Pizza has 14 locations in NYC. They had one at the Staten Island Ferry terminal before 9/11 that was awesome.
Bobarino’s in Staten Island is da shit now. Pizza Nirvana. The semolina crust makes all the difference.
Kinda thought so. Just check the scorecards, and he looks OK. Unfortunately, he seems to let us down just when we need him the most, like on Alito, and of course, he makes it easier for the Republicans to push stuff through just by not doing anything to resist them.
If the scorecards were intended to inform rather than obfuscate, they would track cloture votes, and weight close votes more heavily. They would also weight momentous, irrevocable votes on lifetime appointments *really* heavily.
John Casper @ 10:44 pm (#237) – Good grief! I just read the byline:
Not so hard to figure, now.
Me, I also miss NY-style pizza, with the thin crust and the orange grease. Mmm…
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Best slice in NYC; pizza stand on 8th Ave right near corner of 29th St, on W. side of street, caddy corner from Penn Station.
Talk about orange oil dripping!
Check it out Eli on your next trip (if in fact it still exists).
Senator Kennedy has some powerful words about the honesty of Justice Alito and Chief Justice Roberts during their confirmation hearings, based on their service this first term on the Supreme Court. Powerful words, here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01489.html
Sounds like maybe there’s another Teddy who has “Had Enough.” Also, he quotes himself using the “rubber stamp” phrase from 1970! Interestingly, Senator Kennedy has served on the JComm for the confirmation of ALL the sitting Justices. What a lion.
Bush isn’t smart. He’s opinionated.
Best slice in NYC; pizza stand on 8th Ave right near corner of 29th St, on W. side of street, caddy corner from Penn Station.
Talk about orange oil dripping!
Check it out Eli on your next trip (if in fact it still exists).
Just how long ago was this?
(I also loooove the street-vendor dirty water hot dogs, with lots of red onion glop, mmm…)
I just saw a blip on the late news that McCain’s son has just joined the military. He trains in September and will likely be deployed to Iraq. McCain says he is proud of his son, but also worried for his safety.
Hey nutcase: DUH.
I just saw a blip on the late news that McCain’s son has just joined the military. He trains in September and will likely be deployed to Iraq. McCain says he is proud of his son, but also worried for his safety.
Hey nutcase: DUH.
Well, at least the McCain family is putting a body where their mouth is, which is more than I can say for most of the pro-war Republicans.
al-Scooter @ 10:53 pm (#244) – A good link, and I think Billmon’s right, Israel will not achieve their objectives here, nor an acceptable alternative. At this point, it looks like they’ll be lucky if it’s only as bad in a few months as it was before the war started.
It’s also clear, as I think you’re saying, that Bushco don’t understand this or aren’t willing to accept it.
Goodnite.
(I also loooove the street-vendor dirty water hot dogs, with lots of red onion glop, mmm…)
I prefer my street dogs grilled with the onion glop. My favorite stand is right outside the AMEX , two blocks south of Ground Zero. Grilled Hebrew National hot dogs for $1.25.
Original Ray’s Pizza has 14 locations in NYC. They had one at the Staten Island Ferry terminal before 9/11 that was awesome.
Holy Cow! As far as I know, there was only the one back in the late 70’s.
Well if nothing else, the old boyfriend had great taste.
Oh, and Eli, the street-vendor hotdogs! Man, I lived on those for lunch. You can’t find that red onion glop anywhere else. And it was a very affordable lunch for someone living on minimum wage at the time.
Is it still there? Now that wasn’t greasy pizza. It sure rocked. I especially loved their thick crust pizza. I don’t think they called it deep-dish or any such back in the late 70’s
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I think the thick crust pizzas were called Sicilian slices.
I think the thick crust pizzas were called Sicilian slices.
Yes, Bobby! You called it! Wow, tonight’s thread is like a restorative memory process for me.
I think I burnt out too many brain cells in those days. ;)
Oh, and Eli, the street-vendor hotdogs! Man, I lived on those for lunch. You can’t find that red onion glop anywhere else. And it was a very affordable lunch for someone living on minimum wage at the time.
I was so happy when I found a vendor near Rockefeller Center on my last NYC photo excursion.
Eli writes: Well, at least the McCain family is putting a body where their mouth is, which is more than I can say for most of the pro-war Republicans.
We tend to forget that there actually are people who are in favor of this war and are either in the military themselves, or have friends or family members there. They’re not all hypocrits on the other side, and many of them are good people.
Yes, Bobby! You called it! Wow, tonight’s thread is like a restorative memory process for me.
I’m getting all kinds of nostalgic now too. I’m definitely going to have to patrol from 60th to 80th, from my old grade school up to my old apartment.
Eli says
Just how long ago was this?
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Last time I was back *home* was 1994 and it was still there at that time.
We tend to forget that there actually are people who are in favor of this war and are either in the military themselves, or have friends or family members there. They’re not all hypocrits on the other side, and many of them are good people.
True. I was thinking more in terms of Congressional Republicans, who do not have a whole lot of kin over there, so far as I know.
Last time I was back *home* was 1994 and it was still there at that time.
I’ll have a look for it if I can swing through there. I hope to have a lot of unstructured walking-around time, so who knows.
…all the memories the Groucho stuff brings up..when life was sweet and innocence afoot…oh, and Eli: the master astrologers are talking about the bad day bush will have around August 8-9, they say something will be revealed – a peak into the closet was how one described it – he is worse speaking now because he has saturn weighing his mercury down (like having no sleep for two days and having to give an important speech)…one astrologer even went so far as to say…well, never mind, enough said…
Eli @ 11:25 pm (#277) – Yes, remarkably few of the people I was referring to are the ones making the decisions about the war.
oh, and Eli: the master astrologers are talking about the bad day bush will have around August 8-9
I sure hope so.
Well, this stroll down memory lane has been a blast, guys.
Literally, thanks for the memories. *g*
G’night.
Sorry,but with all the talk about people on edge, just thought I’d try to lighten things up with a link to a Lieberman cartoon, but I guess it got scrubbed. Oh well!
…remember the time and 86 year old Groucho said (as he left his old friends in the living room) and went upstairs with his youngish wife: Well, goodnight gentlemen, guess I’ll go upstairs and bend it in…
For anyone who doesn’t know the neighborhoods in New York and would like a very cool experiential very non-trditional audio walk, check out:
http://www.soundwalk.com/
A close friend does the sound design, and I took the beta Chinatown one and it was a total blast.
I didn’t know this, since I don’t follow the lunatic fringe as much as I should, but Ann Coulter accused Bill Clinton of being gay. Thankfully, David Letterman was paying attention:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..er-parody/
The original Coulter interview is on C & L, also, but it’s not necessary in order to get the joke. Why put yourselves through unnecessary stress?
Cujo (didn’t you already go off to bed?)–I heard about this on JayLeno’s monologue – his comment? “He hides it well,doesn;t he?”
But ol’ Dave put it really well, didn’t he?
as succict a description of Ann as we can get, tight?
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Aargh – horrible typos! Sorry, sorry – my laptop’s screen is dying, and I must type with 1 hand while holding the glass tight with the other. (Get a new laptop, you say? why, I, too am an elitist insurgent, genre-no money, just education).
hope this p[ost makes sense, am falling asleep here.
G’nite at last.
nitey-nite, all
Bad news: Dozens killed in Lebanon air raid BBC.
Hey everybody, I just got back from seeing Little Miss Sunshine. That might have been the funniest movie I have ever seen.
Sorry to come so late to the party, but I bought presents: Buddy Holly.
hey steve. looks like everyone has fallen asleep at the lake.
The Smothers Brothers and many of their musical guests
http://www.youtube.com/results?search=smothers brothers&search_type=search_videos&search=Search
OT and EPU, but. . .
did I miss the memo? Has the whole Fitz Plame thing been wrapped up? I know events in the ME have pretty much eclipsed everything else at the moment, but just wonderin’. . .
More stompin’ from Bristol, (CT, that is…)
http://www.bristolpress.com/si…..&rfi=6
…”While there are many reasons for Lieberman’s woes, most of those supporting his ouster said that the senator’s backing for Bush’s war was the thing that pushed them into the Lamont camp.
“How could he, as a Connecticut Democrat, double-cross us and send our young troops to be killed?” asked Felix Vasilaitis of Bristol, a U.S. Army veteran who served between the Korean and Vietnam wars. “He’s a two-face.”
Val Dumais, chairman of the Plainville Democratic Town Committee, told Lamont that he can’t stand to think of more young soldiers slaughtered for so little.
“Going into Iraq was a waste of American lives,” said Dumais, a Vietnam veteran.
As Lamont walked across the parking lot outside the museum to greet supporters, Barbara Walker of Bristol rushed to his side.
“Every word you say is something I’ve been thinking,” Walker said. She said that from the war to the need for universal health care, Lamont is on the right side and Lieberman isn’t.
Al Marko, a union Democrat who helped organize the Lamont event, said his support began with the war but broadened as he heard Lamont talk about transportation, health care, student loans and more.
“It’s not just one issue,” Marko said. “It’s time for a change. That’s the theme for today.”
When Lamont rose to speak to the crowd inside the museum, he took note of the hundreds of antique timepieces all around.
“I don’t like to be an hour late at a clock and watch museum,” he joked, apologizing for running behind schedule, as most politicians do.
Lamont said that his campaign is “jazzed up” as the attention of the nation focuses on his bid to thrash Lieberman in the primary and snatch the Senate seat in November’s general election.”…
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Ned’s got a keen sense of humor there, eh?
I think there just may be ’something happenin’ here’ and what it is is becoming clear(er)…
I think Bush’s inevitable mental decline would make great tragicomedy. Something like Heart of Darkness meets Tobacco Road. That would make a great stage play or better yet, a musical. But, who gets to be Ellie May?
medaka at 299
Sadly the quality of some writing around here declines markedly after 3:00 am.
Here’s how I measure smart–when someone more than once says something I’ve never heard before, something insightful that I never would have thought of, and which I don’t think they’ve read. Clinton and Carter both meet this standard; since I adopted the standard neither Reagan nor Bush 41 have said much in public so I haven’t calibrated them.
With W, I’ve never once heard a sentence come out of his mouth that I haven’t heard a thousand times before. Or more accurately, I’ve never heard a sentence try to claw its way out of his mouth that I haven’t heard a thousand times before.
Good morning, all ya big meanies tawkin’ about real bagels and real pizza and all dat stuff that I (so far out in the sticks, I’ve yet to lay eyes on my first Starbucks) can’t get to! SHEESH!
But mind you, floating way out here in the middle of the swamp or no, this-here flowah wuz the one first Brought the Good News from
GhenttoAixNYT to FDL — so THERE, neener neener neener!Pach 106 Steve Gilliard has been saying for a while that Bush won’t finish his term, not due to impeachment, but because he’s just going to crack under the weight of it all, physically, mentally. I’ve always thought that was an out there prediction, but now I’m not so sure.
Well, my golf buddies laughed (wanly, bitterly) when I proclaimed, on #13 tee the Friday afternoon after the ‘04 election, “I don’t know whether it’ll be impeachment or alcoholism or what other kind of crackup, but I don’t see him making it through this term. He’ll be locked up somewhere by Inauguration Day 2009, betcha.”
Lately, though … I’m actually wondering whether he’ll be at liberty by the seating of the new Congress. Still think we’ll see a presidential impeachment before November ‘08, just not sure anymore that it’ll be Dubya’s instead of Deadeye’s. Dubya more likely headed betimes to Bethesda or The Betty — doncha think, maybe?
Peace
Good morning.
Enjoy today and the knowledge that we make this change if we really want to.
What’s said on the tee-vee hardly matters as we shift this whole paradigm our way.
lotus — you brought us the news at 9:55am PDT yesterday — it electrified the room
re 298
I have this image of a drunken Ann Coulter tittering and waving a half-empty bottle of Grey Goose vodka about. Her beady eyes focusing and unfocusing. as she claws with her free hand at the keyboard.
Prof. Foland, an excellent point and useful measuring stick — thanks.
Heh-lo there, feral one — urg, some image this hour of the mawnin, but yes, I can see it clearly.
*ilson, still dealing with my font envy, though, you ever-vigilant and -creative thang, you.
last year or two I recall seeing some study that showed a positive correlation between Democrat voting and Starbuck locations … does all that caffeine stimulate the brain?
Let’s have another run at that, if you’ll permit me: *ilson, you ever-vigilant and -creative thang, you! I’m still dealing with my font envy, though.
I save my outrageous HTML tricks and stunts for important things like “Japan Surrenders” or “NYTimes endorses Lamont”
Dunno about that caffeinated-Dem correlation, *ilson, since Volusia County is both blue and Starbucks-bereft. Hinky much?
I’m still impressed with what a ball o’ fire Eric Massa was here yesterday — that keyboard of his musta been smokin’ and beggin’ for mercy by the time he signed off.
Mornin’ all
Hiya, twolf. How’s by you?
Looking forward to having imm back with us, maybe tomorrow-ish.
This is kind of an intriguing development. Ripples thru the rest of the Dem candidate ticket wrt Sen. primary:
http://www.greenwichtime.com/n…..-headlines
” Fear of alienating Ned Lamont’s base of supporters within the party is causing a number of Democratic hopefuls to walk a tightrope between the challenger and incumbent Sen. Joe Lieberman.”…
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The rest of the story describes a variety of candidates and strategies that would put Pythagorus to the test.
The last 3 graphs:
…” Despite most top Democrats endorsing his opponent, Lamont said he enjoyed cordial relations with many of the same members of the party establishment. He said he has appeared with some of those other Democrats on the campaign trail, including DeStefano and Malloy’s wife, Cathy, during an abortion rights rally last week.
“Look, I have very friendly relations with all of those candidates,” Lamont said. “I’ve known most of them for a long time and I know that on paper they all endorse the incumbent. That’s just the way you do it.”
As for Farrell’s frequent encounters with his supporters along the campaign trail, Lamont said he and the former Westport first selectwoman agreed on many issues, including the war.”
Tryin’ to wake up here. Guess I should saunter out to the kitchen to get some coffee.
I see Rice canceled her Beirut visit. Any excuse not to go eh?
Kludge, that’s a bee-utiful thing. Who’d have predicted, even as late as May, that by now we’d be reading, “Fear of alienating Ned Lamont’s base of supporters within the party is causing … “!
“Hoped,” yes. “Dreamed,” yes. But “predicted”? Ooo wee.
Isreal now admits that air strike that killed 54, 37 of them children (so far) was a mistake. Meant to bomb nearby building. Smart bombs don’t work if dey operators stooopid.
Israel: “Oops, my bad.”
lotus -
When the wave is breaking, good surfers know what to do.
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Predict? (some…) I called Lamont 22 percent or better just as the Convention gaveled. I called the latest Quninnipiac as being about 48/48/4 a couple days in advance of release. (Not tooting my own horn. Nope not one bit.)
But, to your point: ‘Who could have imagined?’ finally works on the good side.
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Which brings me to our Rocky Horror Sec/State and the cancelled trip. See comment 210. And followed up at 234.
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Oh. How did you acquire classified info? NYT sure is a leaky ol’ Grey Lady these days. ;~>
after that Israeli airstrike that killed so many civilians, the Prime Minister of Lebanon told Condi to skip the visit to Beirut until the Israelis stop killing Lebanese civilians — there must be a ceasefire and the US can force Israel to stop immediately… thats why no Beirut today for Condi !
*ilson -
Thanks. I’ll watch and consider. But, I’ll just say that for now I’m adopting Missouri as my home state on this.
Condi announced she’s staying in Jerusalem to work with the Israelis on a “durable” ceasefire process …
on CNN International the newsperson is basically calling the Israeli official spokesperson a liar in an on-air interview. About damn time!
Guess who’s made the front page of The Sunday Times (not NY’s or LA’s but London’s) . . .
millinaryman at 9:32
Yes indeed. I’m seeing/hearing it too, sometimes 2nd hand from buddies who come to me for political info. & to share their wonderment or a chuckle over the repubs’ many current dilemmas. Aside from national & international disasters being blamed wholely or in part on U.S. repub. leadership, in OH it seems as if we have wall-to-wall scandals – virtually all rooted in repub-dom.
It’s out there. I’m just hoping votes will be counted honestly & properly here in OH. However, unless they crooks are really, totally in charge of everything by now, I think we’ve got a chance for a sea-change this fall.
I’m trying hard not to gloat (at least in public ;->). WRONG time for that, in my book. Whatever we think about who’s been in charge, & who’s at fault,the timing is real bad for “told ya so!”s, with a lot of folk, even if we’re grinding our teeth over it. [DANG. Why couldn’t people have done their homework several years ago, so the world wouldn’t have to go through so much grief right now!]
Oohhh I HOPE I’m right. Gut feeling says people are so fed up on BOTH sides of the repub/dem divide that we might not just get repubs staying home. We might get lotsa crossovers & a total wipeout.
Correct me as you see it necessary, people, please. At the moment, tho, I do not see repub spinmeisters succeeding with their attempt to tar Dems with the same brush as repubs. Whenever I hear any hints of that, I try to pounce on it & squash it.
Meanwhile. Love the snark and fun. Thanks Pach. & all.
HAIL FREEDONIA!
probably dumb joke, definitely EPUd:
How many neocons does it take to change a light bulb?
None: they’d rather blame the darkness on Bill and Hillary!
SharonW says:
July 29th, 2006 at 10:53 pm
Chutzpah: the man who kill his parents and throws himself on the mercy of the court, because he’s an orphan.
Thanks for Duck Soup. Do you have the “We’re Going to War” scene as well?
Stuart Eugene: No. Wish I did. And a hundred others.
Great film, great clip. Thanks!