
Yes, there is something more relevant to this Connecticut race than what Ned Lamont had for dinner last night, something Joe Lieberman aggressively does not want to talk about: his war. While we’re sure Joe would like to tell us more about how some of his best friends are rape victims, reporters are getting tired of being dodged on topic of the country he lit on fire and now won’t discuss.
From David Lightman in the Courant, via CTBlogger:
When Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was speaking to a joint session of Congress this week, was Joe Lieberman trying to change the subject?
As al-Maliki was about halfway through his speech, Lieberman’s staff sent out a press release trumpeting how the Connecticut Democrat had vigorously opposed legislation – in a debate that ended 16 hours earlier – making it harder for pregnant girls to cross state lines to obtain an abortion without parental consent.
Back in the House chamber, Lieberman applauded much of the prime minister’s address. But when al-Maliki was finished, and dozens of lawmakers spilled into the halls to talk to the media, Lieberman was nowhere to be seen.
Spokesman Casey Aden-Wansbury said Lieberman had to make "previously scheduled calls." She would not identify whom he was calling, but said it was "ridiculous" to think the senator or his staff timed the release of the parental consent statement to take attention away from Iraq.
"We put out our press releases as soon as they are ready," she said.
But its timing seemed to fit a recent pattern: Joe Lieberman, under attack within his own party, highlights his areas of agreement with his fellow Democrats while publicly avoiding points of contention – particularly on Iraq.
Did Lieberman and his personal attack chicken Marion Slimefels think nobody would ever tire of their bullying obfuscations and notice? He’s not just a candidate, he’s a sitting Senator whose actions launched us right into the middle of this mess. If he imperiously refuses to talk about it, I hope we see more reporters getting righteously pissed off.
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Sage
ned!
Jane, it must be heartening to see the Connecticut media start to pay attention to the important issue(s) in this race, but aren’t you and spazeboy getting frustrated with the slow “catch-on-itude” of the state’s press corps? They don’t all want to grow up to be cocktail-wienie-eaters, do they?
spam-b-gone!
LOL great graphic!!! & it’s good to see the Courant covering HoJo not talking about what’s going on in the Middle East!!
Here’s an interesting item:
http://www.opednews.com/articl…..andsli.htm
…”Perhaps even more dramatic are his disapproval ratings. From January 2005 to July 2006 Lieberman’s disapproval ratings have increased by 133% among all registered voters (from 15% to 35%); by 193% among Democrats (from 15% to 44%); and by 157% among independents (from 14% to 36%). Among Republicans he is disapproved of by only 22% versus 18% in January 2005.
A declining percentage of voters also have a favorable opinion of Lieberman personally. In the latest Quinnipiac poll he was viewed favorably by only 40% of Democrats (down from 50% in January 2006) and by 42% of Independents (down from 52% in January 2006).”…
So…
RGJoe is following the playbook Karl Rove gave to every other GOP Senate candidate: mute your alliance to the Preznit on the premier issue of the day, and go off the reservation on whatever issues your Blue state needs to hear from you about, in order to elect a GOP Senate again this fall.
Nothing in Lieberman’s “strategy” indicates he’s planning to be a Democrat come January, in the increasingly unlikely event he regains his Senate seat.
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Had Enough?
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Jane H – is this the first campaign you have followed so closely on a local level? What is the thing that most strikes you about grassroots campaigning? Just curious.
From deep in FWIW, a way out idea that Ned’s people probably have already considered, talking points for Ned that include the declining numbers in recruiting, especially Army and Marines. Can Ned use this to paint Joe into a position of bringing back the draft?
Full disclosure, I like the idea of bringing back the draft, but it’s not exactly a vote magnet.
From what I have been able to gleen, Ned’s campaign has been real straightforward, meat and potatoes, nothing flashy, no gimmicks. I love it.
Whatever his people are doing, it is working.
“Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan” – Pres. John F. Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
Jane,
Do you know about this crappy IMPEACHPAC ad trying to tie Leiberman to Neo Nazis. It is a disaster and will likely backlash against Lamont.
If they are legit, they have greviously miscalculated and need to voluntarily both pull their media buy and get the freakin thing off the internet!!
Not only is the content dreck, but the production values will make you cringe.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/a…..nada1.html
Folks,
Holy Rape Gurney Joe material stopped as US-Canadian Border.
Ned’s campaign looks to me just ’solid’…he’s solid all the way around.
I really thing the bit closing his ads: “…and WE DO TOO!” is genius.
Enthusiastic ‘just folks like you’ saying ‘It’s OK to give this guy a chance.’
Sure, pure, unadulterated coincidence. That explains much of life…
lhp -
I’ve not seen the impeach ad. That site doesn’t have Ned on their list. What’s up? Could J/L. have bought the thing?
Blank
Hold on I will try in my tech challenged way to cough up some links. This is just dreadful stuff.
Blank Kludge:
Boy, wouldn’t that be the mother of all dirty tricks.
I suppose the press people in RGJoe’s Senate office are likely stooopit enough to step on the Maliki speech, but the unavailability of RGJoe himself afterwards (”making calls”?) puts the lie to it.
Nice catch, David. Nice carrot, Jane.
That was my thought Blank.
Lieberman tried it once before with his “No More Joe.“
Nice catch lhp.
BTW, I also wanted to update people on the thoughts of the smart people in RI (my mom and her friends).
Chaffee is out. Even though they like Chaffee for the most part, remember RI is a very catholic (albeit liberal) state so the Alito thing just doesn’t resonate there much, they are so sick and tired of the Republican led Federal Government, that they are going to vote for anybody but the republican…simply to avoid letting them have a RI-republican vote in the senate.
Just FYI, RI also has a republican governor…
OR maybe the RNC or Swifies bought it.
Here’s what google gives me tops for ‘impeachpac’…
http://www.impeachpac.org/
That page is what I’m looking at, now drill/clicks…so YMMV.
anyone do a quick ‘whois’ and get the 411?
Blank Kluge et al
This is the Kos story
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..151644/102
This is the god-awful ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..amont-ad-1
this is the Impeach PAC website
http://impeachpac.org/contactipac
I recently heard Marion Slimefels as being called “Attila the Hen” — tres amusant
guys
i have a post with a bunch of links on this stuck in moderation
This is the Kos story
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..151644/102
This is the god-awful ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..amont-ad-1
this is the Impeach PAC website
http://impeachpac.org/contactipac
Joe’s campaign seems to be setting itself up as a case study in how NOT to be an incumbent senator running for reelection.
Act as disconnected from your state as possible.
Ditto for the local party leadership.
Cater to the leaders of national lobbying groups, and ignore the local leadership of the same groups.
Insulate yourself by not admitting the general public to campaign events.
Don’t take questions from anyone you know opposes you.
Speculate on ditching the party if you lose the primary.
Threaten down-ticket candidates with loss of funds if they don’t publicly support you.
Yeah, that’ll get the troops fired up to knock on doors, talk to their neighbors, and get out the vote. If you pay them enough, of course.
tried to repost the links and that one got eaten too
lhp, we’ve got it at 1:33, just hit your F5.
What’s a person gotta do to get moderated around here? I’d like to experience the downright thrill of it sometime :)
one link at a time
This is the god-awful ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..amont-ad-1
lhp
The links are up!
OK, so now you have it over and over. Sorry, it’s OK to deleat the extras.
This wasn’t my catch. Someone else put it up at the end of the last thread.
One of the commentors at Kos claim the group is legit. In that case they are just woefully misguided and need to be persuaded to both pull their media buy and get this piece of crap off the internet.
So view it now, if you must–it really is not a good ad–because if we send them enough pleas maybe it will be gone soon.
The link I have for them is to their “contact us” page–you know so you can beg them to stop
i’ve already been seeing the impeachpac ad being credited to “liberal bloggers” which means that it will be used to paint all of lamont’s backers with the same sticky brush. it does seem like something right out of the karl rove playbook – discredit the opposition by highlighting the extreemist fringe.
What’s a person gotta do to get moderated around here? I’d like to experience the downright thrill of it sometime :)
You’ll see it.
There will be a message to the right of your name that says your message is awaiting moderation.
It has to do with troll software that was installed before you came on board, I think.
We had a scroll troll who used to take up tons of commenting space with nothing, hence the name. If you weren’t there for that, (and it went on for a couple of day IIRC), it’s hard to understand why we need the software.
Lately though they get the comments “moderated” lickety split. The problem now is a lot of us don’t realize, you have to hit F5. The “Refresh Comment” doesn’t “refresh” moderated comments.
lhp- you weren’t kidding; that ad is dreadful!
Okay, the important points about the ImpeachPac ad.
(1) The culture has changed enough that people will recognize that the “I’m Ned Lamont, and I approved this ad” tag is missing.
(2) While the ad is basically true (Bush has made such a balls-up of things that the military is accepting recruits with questionable political backgrounds, its representation that HoJo is somehow personally responsible is incorrect. Collective responsibility (which is shared even by Senator Kerry) is a different beast than the individual responsibility of the people who drove the policy — Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld.
(3) I think it would be better if the ad didn’t run, but if it does, Lamont should get out in front of the issue and state his disagreement.
BC
FWIW:
I’ve not seen this OTA. (thank the lord)…
I view it as an attempt by J/L – RNC, etal to jujitsu Ned’s web presence to rebound back. VIRAL cuts both ways.
How did ya find it at first, lhp?
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OT I never watch Oprah, turned it on to monitor TV-3 WFSB.
Oprah today: Minimum wage advocates. Go Oprah!
(mentions some of Mary’s point re: singles and other demos) Specifies Ohio. (sorry, missed alot, there. But did specify Ohio. But in reference to WHAT? I dunno.
Jenny -
The filters also have more dirty words in their lexicon than George Carlin. Of course, these are “dirty” in the sense that they tend to be used by spammers to flood all the internet tubes.
If you really want to get moderated, toss in something about ins*rance coverage for Nig*rian vi*gra, and that should do it.
*g*
Of course, these filters can backfire every once and a while. For example, they made it really difficult to discuss Rush Limbaugh’s recent Caribbean Pharmadventures . . .
that was “Mary’s point re:VOTING” …and connected to min/wage.
Benjamin Disraeli said, “In a progressive country change is constant…change…is inevitable.” He also said, “justice is truth in action.” And, “The difference of race is one of the reasons why I fear war will always exist; because race implies difference, differences implies superiority, and superiority leads to predominance.” And perhaps most importantly for me Disraeli said this: “It is knowledge that influences and equalizes the social condition of man; that gives to all, however different their political position, passions which are in common, and enjoyments which are universal.” And “Never apoligize for showing feeling. For when you do so, you apologize for truth.”
John Casper, thanks. I actually love the sanity and civility on this site and if I was ever held in moderation (for something other than link stuff) I’d probably curl up in a ball of shame.
Well, that might be a tad hyperbolic, but… :)
Peterr :
Ah. Well it’s a good thing words like *chimp* and phrases like *dirty rotten liars and war criminals* aren’t on the list or I’d be in moderator purgatory from here to eternity.
Thanks for you response. Sorry to derail the thread.
By the way, filter or no, can’t imagine looling for picks quite this early, unless you’ve already gambled NEXT months rent/mortgage.
Jenny from the Blog @ 1:50 pm (#41) – Don’t be ashamed if something you wrote goes into moderation. There are all sorts of rules in the filters that are designed to catch spam and some (apparently) sensitive topics. Use some of the keywords, whatever those might be, and you go into moderation jail until the folks behind the curtain can release you.
OK. Just checked out the link. That impeachpac’s ad is unequivocally idiotic. I’m pretty sure I recollect that Lieberman was one of a very few Republicans (tehe) who tried to get General “hatemonger” Boykin fired for his bigoted on-the-job comments… course General Jihaddi still has his job…
WFSB just showed J/L walking “in a campaign to get much needed votes” teasing 5 oclock news.
Thank yew, Cujo.
Peterr @ 1:49 pm (#38) – Oddly, they also made it difficult to discuss Iran. We’re still wondering why “nuclear f*l” would be a spam topic.
Reposted from prior thread:
Stephen Parrish, CPA says:
July 28th, 2006 at 1:39 pm
Upthread at 11:26, Mary provided this link to a very important post on Larry Johnson’s blog that is well worth reading in its entirety: http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..h_.html#mo re
Jenny, ftB, you’re welcome.
It can happen for all kinds of reasons, and length is often a determiner. Understandably, Jane and Christy don’t want to tell us exactly what triggers it, because then the trolls could more easily defeat the software.
Egads,
Has anyone seen the latest Bushism? The “managed calm” comment about the Middle East?
God has clearly sent the Bush family to punish America and reward those who wish all of us ill.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..d-gregory/
-GSD
That ad is dreadful.
I pre-ordered “V for Vendetta” (scheduled for release on August 1st) along with “Mattewan” from Amazon — I just got an Email saying both had just been shipped. So I got an early release of V it seems …
Thanks to the earlier discussion of movies today, I checked and found the original “Bedazzled” was released in England — with mailing and everything $16 … way cool
sp, cpa at 1:57,
It doesn’t sound far fetched to me. Once Bush decided to engage in “regime change,” imo acquiring a nuclear weapon is priortity one for regimes around the globe. I’m guessing they see it as a poison pill should the US or anyone else want “regime change.”
That’s why experienced military and diplomatic professionals didn’t talk about “regime change,” instead they talked about “economic sanctions.” W opened a pandora’s box.
certain elements of technologies involving transuranic elements seem to be a moderation trigger. stuff that goes “boom” maybe?
Jenny I have no clue. When I use all sorts of foul language and threaten all parties with death and destruction, it goes right up.
When I try to publish a couple helpful inks or a recipes–moderation hell
News opens w/thunderboomer warnimgs/storms across CT…
Video of the 80-sometningold man running into crowd a couple weeks back, incl. Lamont folks, iirc. Arrested driver ..Sailfest…’warning : disturbing vid’… it is chilling…PD found ‘no mech problems’ w/impounded car.
“Time is running out..picking up pace..he realizes he could lose…Meriden, and mayor shouting up Joe.
Laughes at polls…says to Susan Raft’s face “Not ready to be Sen.” ]]\
Lots of “The Kiss”..
Joes says “I know .. it’s the WAR…but HEAR MY MESSAGE…try to do the best for CT /nation..
NOW: M.Schiavo…”Knows diff b/t personal and political issues.” That’s all. Didn’t see Ned, but the leadin said he was appearing for Ned.
lhp:
That’s hysterical! (I may have to start experimenting….)
Ned’s Kids ad (Go For It, Mr. Lamont!”)on now.
Even innocuous phrases like L*isure Guy trip the filter for some reason
:-)
Stephen Parrish repost
I went and read all the links Mary posted and There certainly seems to be something very odd going on.
If there is a link from from Osama through Turkey to Hassert, and PJF is THE living expert on Osama (well at least in US Law Enforcement/Intelligence circles) that explains why Hassert hate PJF so much doesn’t it.
Somebody, maybe Chicago Trib, reported that when PJFs 4 year term was nearing expiration Hassert made known he had already floated his short list to the WH and the Hill for PJF’s replacement.
I heard, that lawyers in Chicago were already starting to suck up to folks on the short list (Deo could probably shed a lot of light on this). I also heard that Hassert went postal when Gonzales didn’t give PJF the ax at the end of the “lest try to intimidate him and see if he blinks” surpise visit to Chicago.
If Larry is right, it would explain a lot
WHOIS data for impeachpac.org below.
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Domain ID:D108016493-LROR
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Sponsoring Registrar:NameSecure , L.L.C. (R58-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
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Registrant ID:nby6NS86367
Registrant Name:Domain Administrator
Registrant Organization:Democrats.com
Registrant Street1:PO Box 721066
Registrant Street2:
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Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone: 1.1234567890
Registrant Phone Ext.:
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Tech ID:ehh4NS0
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Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
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Name Server:B.NS.MAYFIRST.ORG
Name Server:A.NS.MAYFIRST.ORG
The quote above was more like (asked about the polls)
“chuckle. What I see is a man not prepared (or maybe ‘ready’, not sure) to be a Senator.” WFSB reporter Susan Raft was across the cardtable on Joe’s bus asking questions.
Blank Kluge are you in Conn?
We are getting the storms here on the Island, too. it is absolutley pitch black outside my office window. Thunder. Wind. The whole 9 yards.
lhp -
Neg. just over the MA border. Rumblings now in the distnce.
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KURT -
Thanks. Not that I know a whole helluva lot about translating this data, but this little ditty jumped out at me, at least:
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Admin Email:admin@democrats.com
Tech ID:ehh4NS0
Tech Name:Namesecure Inc.
Tech Organization:Namesecure Inc.
Tech Street1:P.O. Box 785
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Herndon
Tech State/Province:VA
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WTF?!
dems/herndonVA?
Kurt
Thank you.
“democrats.com” Am I to understand that the Democratic Party did not buy up all the names like this themselves?
Or worse, that this swiftboating is coming from the party establishement?
Are the Dems really clever enough to plant something like this hoping for anti Ned backlash?
When have the Dems ever been that competent at dirty tricks?
Who are these folks?
a Lebanese blog http://remarkze.blogspot.com/2…..thing.html
lhp -
In Butch/Sundance it was “Who ARE those guys?!”
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Lookin’ very sketchy to these bifocaled eyes (t/y Ben Franklin).
this is the homepage of Democrats.com http://democrats.com/
http://www.democrats.com/impeachpac-ad-1-debate
Of course they have a right to their point of view. But is their analysis any good?
Here are some things I assume we can agree on:
1. The Iraq War is a catastrophe in a million different ways, and Americans will pay the price for years to come.
2. George Bush, Karl Rove, the DLC, and Joe Lieberman don’t want the 2006 election to be about the Iraq War.
3. The voters of Connecticut – and all of America – have every right to make the Iraq War the central issue of the 2006 campaign – and to defeat every candidate like Joe Lieberman who continues to support the war.
Are we all in agreement so far? I hope so.
Looks legitimate, at least insofar as the folks running democrats.com are favoring running this ad.
OT – American Idol meets Idle American:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/28/bush-idol-2/
looks like a good way to bring peeance freeance to the middle east.
Bargain Countertenor,
Would be nice to see an ad of Ned watching the fake ad, and saying, “I’m Ned Lamont. I didn’t authorize this ad; it’s a shameful waste of money at a time when [run film of war-ravaged children] it could do so much good elsewhere. But it goes to show you where some people’s priorities are.”
Herndon VA. Where have I heard of that town recently?
Not only that but the zip code for the NY PO Box is Likely to be in Queens (113XX) is usually Queens.
I grew up in Queens. I smell a rat.
I gotta check something
Joe’s run a pair of Bubba’s endorsement….they did the same thing as that robocall…splicing.
Ned jus had (don’t know the vernacular name) shows that folks in CT might not have access to ‘Amerian Dream’ and at the end says ‘Joe’s NEVER fought for nat’l health care.’
Margot,
That would be an excellent response.
BC
Bob Fertig has done the Democrats.com thing for quite some time. Been there a few times via links on Atrios(?), maybe Americablog? He did some stuff on the Bush TANG story.
If these ‘filters’ you speak of were too sensitve, you would see nary a post from this uncouth rabid lamb.
lhp -
On the case!
(dare I say “Like Columbo.” Just one more detail, here, if ya got a second. I’d REALLY like to clear up this thing that’s been bothering me…
go grrrl!
Hmmm, filters and tubez,not like a truck,hmmm.
So….Lieberman plays dodge-ball on a huge issue, Iraq. And how do we, on the sidelines, keep up the pressure on local newspapers to keep up the pressure on Lieberman on this issue? Hmmm. I guess, by Ms. Hamsher writing about it, as she does here? Perhaps be alerting voters to call/write their local newspaper? I agree…keep up the pressure. Lieberman is “WFO” on the whole Iraq mess. Ummm…wfo…w is “wide”, o is “open”…you can figure out the f! chuckle
A random thought. Has Ct. lost any soldiers in Afghanistan/Iraq? Did Lieberman go to their funerals, or see the family? Its a touchy area…but just a thought.
Ghostman
JWR-
TANG, as in Rather’s ‘forgeries’? (paging Alice, “This is curiouser and curiouser.”)
*ilson46201 @ 54:
Thanks for passing that info along.
I’ve been waiting for the original Bedazzled on DVD for just about forever.
Hope you have an all-region DVD player.
Julie Andrews!
Ghostman just reminds me (indirectly) ROVE: hit at your opponent’s STRENGTH.
If they can use the Nazi thing to smear Ned, isn’t THAT the embodiment of that tactic?
sorry.
That makes THREE Bubba endorsemnt ads in less than 40 min.
Well, Bob Fertik of democrats.com is in NYC, I believe.
that original flick “Bedazzled” should be released in the USA — it’s truly a classic ! It gets played on cable now and then but some lawyers probably have the USA DVD rights tied up — its a cheap British DVD.
As a mother of a 19 year old son, I am not in favor of the draft.
Blank Kludge – TANG, as in Rather’s ‘forgeries’?
The same. But I’m pretty sure Fertig is one of the good guys. We could ask Paul Lukasiak.
Katherine Harris is in a twit. Harris of course certified George W’s 537 vote win in Florida over Gore in 2000. Apparently Dean compared Harris to Stalin because of her election chicanery in the the Gore-Bush contest. She’s demanding an apology from Howard. Harris says Dean’s “comments comparing her to a communist dictator responsible for millions of deaths ‘reflect a lack of understanding and decency.’” Well, I doubt it has occurred to Harris that because of her complicity and dictatorial actions in the rigged 2000 presidential election that put Bush in the WH, that she shares responsibility for the deaths of tens of thousands in Iraq and Lebanon. The kicker is this woman doesn’t even get it that the Bush administration and Florida Republicans view her as an embarrassment and would like very much for her to disappear.
as the parent of 4 military-age children, Joe Lieberman is against the draft too — although he loves himself some good war — just with other peoples kids …
The Herndon, VA address appears to be associated with the nameserver company, not the owner of the domain name.
This does not appear to be a “swiftboating”, just some perhaps overzealous progressives. I’ve only ever been to their site a few times, they were a little “tinfoil-ly” for me. This ad would be in character for that site, in my humble opinion.
Jenny & lhp —
Anything with more than two links in it brings down auto-mod. I keep fergitting that in my crack o’ dawn, pre-caffeine paper-retrieving (when, of course, any sensible ModGoddess is deep a-snooze). Oh, and I meant to ask Will from London, when he was here, to suggest some more UK papers for me to investigate/link to. If anybody spies him back here sometime when I’m not, would you please tell him I’m looking for him (and NOT for purposes of whomping him with a rolled-up Sunday Times)?
lo —
On the last thread, you mused, Can i be pro israel and anti bush? that is something i will have to work on.
Hon, I’m pretty sure 99.9999% of the population of FDL is as pro-Israel as we are anti-Bush. Why that wasn’t immediately apparent to you, and why you’d think this a strange or difficult mentality to reach, I just don’t know.
“Olmert/IDF” no more equals “Israel” than “Bush/DoD” equals “USA.”
What’s hard about that?
Joe Stalin is reputed to have said “It doesnt matter who can win an election but who gets to count the votes.” That crack must sting Ms. Harris’s guilty conscience
As the parent of a soon-to-be army 2nd lieutenant, I’m in favor of getting our asses out of Iraq and re-establishing real congressional oversight over the executive, and establishing mandatory national service.
Children of Congress-critters would have no choice but to do their national service in the military … maybe then they’d think before voting for a war.
BC
Ghostman et al -
Frantic googling of ‘lieberman military funeral’ (my humble search skills on display, sigh)
returned this:
http://www.courant.com/news/lo…..lity-local
At least one. No mention of the Senator via quick (sad) scan of art. Kid was 19.
mentions his friends there:’some looked like they were wearing black for the first time.’
as I recall, George Bush only got 25% of the American Jewish vote — most of Lo’s US co-religionists share our view about Bush…
Hey, Lotus …
If I said something offensive yesterday, I’m sorry.
BC
random Ghostman goofiness:
1. don’t know why everyone is all a bother about moderation. Hell, wilson throws me into moderation jail all the time…just for being “Ghostman”!
(wilson, I’m teasing)
2. Mr. ok kid mentions Harris. As an aside….and correct me if I’m wrong….but, Harris is from Long Boat Key. That would be the same LBK wherein Mr. Bush spent the night on September TEN, 2001. Interesting.
Ghostman
Ghostman -
Besides making me say: “FUCK ME!”…
you got a link re: Bush’s whearabouts 9/10/01?
I didn’t come up with anything too interesting. The queens zip code is for the towns/neighborhoods of Flushing and Jackson heights. That’s the 7th CD represented by Joe Crowley. Now Crowely is not someone I know personally, and I don’t know that much about him other than the fact that he has been opposed to Patacki’s veto of NYS legislation to allow the sale of contraceptive Plan B over the counter.
So, Crowley is a very good guy on Choice. I don’t see an obvious link between him and holyjoe.
The next tier out would be to check the City Council maps.
anybody getting elected from that neighborhood would have to be aware of the activities of a group like this. If they have really raised $75 K as they claim on their website, believe you me, all their local pols would be genuflecting to them, looking for campaign cash.
Was reading about Sybel Edmonds awhile back. Yet another
story that needs to come to light, but probably never will.
The ‘Turkish network’, core instigators were members of an
‘unamed Middle Eastern nation’. Whose identity and actions
are the reason the case, and Ms.Edmonds have been silenced.
I recall reading more recently the one of the initial
problems that led Ms. Edmonds to blow the whistle were
requests to deliberately mis-translate intercepts in
order to inject ‘muslim terrorist content’ into the
messages. This request was at the behest of the
Mossadagents of the ‘unnamed Middle Eastern nation’ in question.
When she blew the whistle she began to recieve death
threats, and other forms of harrassment.
Not sure what the story is now, but its all but gone
down the memory hole, just like the Anthrax investigation.
Silly Bloggers. You can’t get rid of Senator Forever Lieberman. Don’t you understand; He said he’s NOT George Bush. Has Ned Lamont ever said that he’s not George Bush? I didn’t think so! There are lots and lots of pictures of Joe and Dubya together. Ever see a picture Of Ned Lamont with Bush? Makes you think doesn’t it?
Joe Lieberman: he’s not George Bush.
Really, he’s not.
He’s got signed affidavits and everything.
Would a DNA test convince you?
*ilson,
It’s not the voting that’s democracy; it’s the counting. ~Tom Stoppard, Jumpers
“It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ” ~ Joseph Stalin
Clothodi
Very very cute.
made me giggle
Thinking back to the tv-3 coverage, was typing more than watching…they did give a detailed descrtption of ‘the kiss’ (papier-mache, etc) and some footage (didn’t see closeup, but mighta been in)…
Is the Kiss following ‘Joe’s Tommorow Tour’ (that’s really what they’re calling this race acrosee the state last ten days to primary. On a bus.)
Mr. Kludge:
1. thanks for the article. God rest pfc. Braun. The article does name some state officials in attendence. One official said he’s attended all SEVEN Ct. funerals. No mention of Mojo.
2. Harris: no, don’t have a link. There’s a report out there, several years old, of an allegation of some strange men in a van showing up at the villa where the president was staying early that morning but were denied admittance. Bush reportedly was up early, and motorcaded to the school for goat story time. No mention of ownership of said villa where he stayed. I’ll try to check around, but I’m the world’s worst at internet stuff.
Ghostman
BC, what on earth are you talking about, “something offensive”? If you did, I sure missed it.
lotus -
This may elicit boos from the crowd, but *lo* is in Jenny from the Blog moderation at the moment. I can’t put my finger on what it is I feel but it’s not just another commenter expressing an opinion. Maybe it’s because (I think) her first foray here was ranting about Christianne Amanpour’s husband being Palestinian (well, wrong) and basing an entire opinion on that erroneous bit of information.
Of course, I’ve said dumbass wrong things here in the short time I’ve been commenting so that’s not exactly it. All I know is I’m not expending any energy countering her posts. I admire those who do but I can’t.
Sorry if I sound mean-spirited, everyone. Really.
Kurt says:
July 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pm
Have you had a chance to conduct any research on the name server?
‘Joe’s Tommorow Tour’;
Swirling, swirling, round and round,
When the log’s roll over we wil drown, we will drown.
Lotus,
Okay, just checking … I made a smart-ass remark about having a ‘thing’ for tech-writers.
On reflection, I thought I might have given offense. I wouldn’t want that.
Cdt Countertenor got a ride in CH-47 Chinook yesterday (I think that’s right). No report other than he got the ride and it was ‘cool.’
BC
OT: a final (tangential) Bedazzled reference for *ilson46201
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtBDlNEME48
name me ANOTHER song that namechecks Eleanor Brond. dare ya.
lhp,
I’ve got an email from the group wanting to put the ad on. I just don’t want to post it.
I sent it to Christy, as I don’t see anyone here with a website.
I sent Boxer an e-mail, about her support for Joe.
This is what I got back:
“Dear Mr. Karney:
I have forwarded your email to the appropriate campaign committee for response.
Sincerely,
Dan Hammer
Correspondence Director
U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer”
Which means, I suspect, that Joe will ignore it, but if I get more, I’ll share.
TK
Ding ding ding ding!
Clothodi sends lotus 707 on her/his very first appearance! I do believe we’ve got a new world record, folks!
Anyway, my last comment was beyond unnescessary. I’ve just been feeling bugged about the whole thing, like we’re being played. I know *lo* apologized for her mistake but something doesn’t sit right, still.
There, I did it again. Said some dumbass stuff that didn’t need to be said. I’ll just shuffle off to Buffalo now and hope y’all forgive my lack of restraint. I feel like enough of a firepup to speak up, but I don’t know… :)
*ilson @ 94,
thanks for connecting the dots for me. while i think katharine harris is a corrupt idiot… when i read Dean’s comment i thought ‘huh?’ but now it makes perfect sense.
the only thing howard dean has to apologize for, maybe, is being historically subtle. *g*
I found Jane’s reference to a personal attack chicken pretty fowl.
I just saw DeanFan84 at one of the Lieberbus appearances on the local news, with the Kiss Float visible in the background. Looks like the boys are having a little fun with Joe.
We just had a statewide supercell thunderstorm move through; I hope the float got covered up in time. Paper mache don’t like bad weather.
John Caspar:
How would you administer the draft you favor?
Second, why do you favor a draft?
Is that favoring the result of the present situation, or does it stand apart from current events?
I have some opinions on the draft (not a surprise in a soldier) but I’d like to hear yours before I muddy the waters with mine.
TK
CTBob,
That’s hilarious.You guy’s are getting a lot of play with that thing. Bravo!
New thread from Jane
Apologies if this has already been suggested:
There was a suggestion last night on another blog (atrios?) that Lamont should make an ad consisting of nothing but Bush at the whitehouse correspondents dinner doing his “Nope, no WMD’s there, maybe under here?” shtick and Lieberman laughing his ass off like it was the funniest thing he’d ever heard.
You wouldn’t even need any commentary really, just play the clip over and over.
About W in Longboat Key…
He stayed at the Colony Resort:
http://www.colonybeachresort.com/
per the Longboat Observer
http://www.longboatobserver.co…..sp?ai=1874
(with info on the van incident)
quotes from other sites:
“The Colony is the hotel of choice for George W. Bush and Al Gore when they visit Sarasota.”
“The Presidential Dining Room […] was named after President Bush’s visit in 2001″
lotus 2:47pm
“…I’m pretty sure 99.9~% of the population of…”
Agree. Not bad. Not bad at all.
justathought,
That would be pretty funny in a 20 second spot. But I wouldn’t want my name attached to it if I were Lamont.
Maybe a 527 can pick it up.
BC
JennyftB,
I suspect FDL has a significant number of commenters who agree with lo, but just don’t have her guts.
As far as the US is concerned, FDL commenters are in the distinct minority on this. Bush has succeeded in blurring this in the eyes of the US.
emptywheel has a new one up, however, that is very relevant.
Hagel Calls for Engagement
by emptywheel
“In the Insight Magazine attack on Condi the other day, there were two details I pointed out that deserve further emphasis.
*One of the people mentioned as being behind the attack on Condi was John Bolton
* One point the article used to indict Condi was that she consulted with Senators Hagel and Lugar
With those details in mind, I encourage you to read Steve Clemons’ two most recent posts. First, the hopeful news that Chuck Hagel is undecided on whether he will favor Bolton’s renomination as UN Ambassador.
‘I have not decided, if Mr. Bolton comes up for a vote, how I will vote.
[snip]
In this case I want to revisit Mr. Bolton’s performance. I think, just as you have noticed, if I actually believe what I have said, and I do, then there appears to be at least in your mind some disconnect in how I could support Mr. Bolton. And I think that’s a fair question.
Hagel’s hypothetical of “if I actually believe what I have said” is a reference to what appears in Clemons’ other recent post, a transcript of Hagel’s speech at the Brookings Institute…..
We desperately need Hegel to step up on this.
Blank Kludge 100 – There used to be a timeline that reported Bush’s whereabouts on Sept. 10. The website that hosted it has since developed a *much* more elaborate and detailed timeline covering events related to 9-11, going back to 1979 and forward after the day itself – but it no longer includes the data on Bush, interestingly enough.
Nonetheless, the timeline is an incredible resource – if you’ve never seen it it’s well worth checking out.
OT:
“For a while, American foreign policy was just, Let’s hope everything is calm — manage calm” …?
(shakes head)
‘He’s got away from us, Jack’
Stephen Parrish @3:05
Have you had a chance to conduct any research on the name server?
It appears to be just another company that offers webhosting and also happens to allow people to register their own domain names (in other words they fill out the Internic paperwork for you). Sorry it’s nothing more arch hehe.
Visit namesecure.com and you can see for yourself the services they offer.
John Casper:
I’m starting to get this great divide too; it’s quite a revelation. I know a lot of people in the entertainment field (I used to work in the movie business in NYC and LA) and it’s unbelievable to me the kinds of conversations I’m having with progressives who are fighting the good fight alongside us.
My jaw just drops when I hear their unwavering support for any and all things Israel is doing. Right or wrong. I have no words for them at the moment because the position is preposterous and anti-life, AND anti-Israel.
So I get what you’re saying, for sure. This issue is a split in the liberal sphere, one we don’t need right now, but there it is.
Just google the “PO Box 721066″
Blank Kludge – This timeline says that Bush spent the night of Sept. 10 at the “Colony Beach and Tennis Resort on Longboat Key, Florida.”
John Casper -
To clarify, I have a lot of friends who are wildly liberal entertainment types and who are talking like extreme conservatives lately, when this issue comes up. It’s just mindblowing.
I only bring up the entertainment business angle because these types, when they’re of the liberal persuasion, are usually vocal and passionate about their humanitarian and social beliefs. This is what I’m used to and so it is kind of mindblowing.
Terry,
Thanks, I am positive your’s are better informed than mine.
My primary interest in the draft is that it would be a lot tougher to stick us in Iraq/Afghanistan if wealthy peope had kids in the 82nd Airborne.
IMO Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld, take advantage of the fact that the all volunteer Armed forces takes advantage of people who find that their best option. I have questions about how representative they are of the entire U.S. Washington Post has told us that Army Marines draw from every facet of US society, equally. I think that’s total crap.
No deferments, compulsory service for everyone. Military gets the pick of the litter and then it’s a longer hitch for those eligible for combat or anything close to the front. I want the best up there and you pay them the best too. Everyone else does something at home, with more time in the reserves than the hitch that those in combat have and ofcourse a lot less pay. Which basically tells you, I don’t have clue and haven’t thought much about the details.
Very interested in your opinion.
Administer a draft the way it used to be done. I went through it. Registered. Received my draft card. Got my notice to appear at just under 18 years of age. Went to Oakland, CA. for the physical and got my classification, 1-Y. Went like greased lightning.
The draft would be more fair perhaps. Also it just might stop all these foreign adventures. Especially those percipitated by all these arm-chair mongers. Parents might get upset if they knew Jonney or Janey might get killed in a war that made no sense and was perhaps based upon lies.
JennyftB
Yes, I totally agree, “AND anti-Israel.”
Hamas never won an election with the PLO until AFTER we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. I really believe it’s an issue of education. People think they are supporting Israel, when in reality, I think the geopolitical reality is that a more moderate position protects Israel a lot better.
I was blown away by Wilson zipcode’s comment yesterday about Israel pulling back to pre-67 war boundaries. I had never heard that, and I don’t know if it’s accurate, but it’s indicative of how ignorant we are of the drivers in the discussion.
CT Bob says:
July 28th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
For all of you in the area: severe thunderstorm watch for New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, parts of New York, most of southernmost New Hampshire, and parts of Pennsylvania and Massachusetts:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/wwamap…..wwa=severe thunderstorm watch
Dang, Ghostman: info on Bush staying at Longboat Key stuck in moderation. Here’s the link (just one!): http://www.longboatobserver.co…..sp?ai=1874
He stayed at he Colony Resort.
Reposted link: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/wwamap…..wwa=severe thunderstorm watch
BC 112 –
Haw! Just shows your impeccable taste in companions, a-course!
Jenny 109/117 —
Hey, that Amanpour bosh (and other lo-isms) creeped me out too, but here’s my instant, off-the top-of-the-alleged-head analysis:
lo has three young children, so probably hasn’t spent the Bush years reading online as widely as many of us have. Word-of-mouth may have been most of her info-stream — and whose mouths, shows.
True, her early comments were way misinformed, unsophisticated, defensive. But ahbedawg, she’s hanging in with us, thinking a-mile-a-minute (did you see where she talked about driving somewhere to pick up her kids, unable to get FDL off her mind?), and figuring things out for herself.
I’ve gone from oh-no-not-lo-again to hmm-what-now-from-lo to I-might-really-like-this-woman-sometime-soon-if-she-lets-me.
It’s kinda fun observing a learning-curve as steep as lo’s this week. In just a couple of days, she’s moved from hollering obnoxious silliness to proving that she’s smart, brave, and open to ideas she never considered before.
Yeah, I’m becoming a convert to lo’s lo-ness. (Just wish I knew whether that first letter is an lower-case l or an upper-case I.)
John Casper -
I’ll have to check back for Wilson’s comment, I didn’t see it.
These past few weeks have been a very confusing time for progressives. But you know what? As far as I’m concerned, this is the test. This is the real test of your belief-system. This is the real test of who you are as a progressive. I think many are failing. Sounds obnoxious in a way, but I am EXTREMELY disappointed in some of our liberal brothers and sisters. They are not “walking the walk”.
Wonderful chatting with you, as always. I’ve gotta run out now… take care.
JennyftB,
I really think some of the neocons behind Bush think that war in the ME will spur oil production. These @#$%^& thrive on carnage. Shooting and bombs exploding anywhere just reinforces their meme about the WAR ON TERROR. So many are missing that it is their policies that are creating more terrorists. That is why Iam so afraid the gov in Lebanon will fail.
In addition though there are real sicko’s on the other side and some of them could care less how far Israel pulls back. The key is to marginalize the worst of them. That means jobs and societies that are moving forward. That isn’t happening in Palestine and it just got a lot tougher in south Lebanon without bridges etc.
The greatest mistake the US made was “extreme rendition,” kidnapping and then putting them in secret prisons and torturing them. Hezbollah by contrast only kidnaps Israel SOLDIERS. That’s not as bad as what Bush says is “legal” under the AUMF. We lose all our moral leverage as an honest broker. It is heartbreaking.
John Caspar,
The key to any draft is to re-conceptualize it as national service, make it mandatory and no exemptions, no deferments. You could allow some choice of timing, though. Say, two years completed by age 25 years.
I think that combat arms would have to be voluntary.
BC
PO 140, yep – that’s the info that used to be in the timeline I linked above.
Here’s another link for all of you in the severe thunderstorm watch area in New England: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/wwamap…..wwa=severe thunderstorm watch
ImpeachPAC’s been around since at least January; they launched about then with a big ad splash across the progressive blogs. I threw them some money because they pledged to support candidates who supported impeachment.
Unless they’ve been taken over by nefarious actors, I’m going with the “progressives run amok” theory. I hope the money I gave them is already spent so it won’t go for this Lamont travesty. I doubt very much the conspiracy theories floated earlier on this thread about their motives, but I criticize no one for donning the tin-foil, as there are days when I find it quite fetching.
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Had Enough?
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OT re: the Edmonds link. When I posted it, Larry Johnson had it on his sight, but with no comment by him. I have no idea if any of it is credible at all.
I’m just not a big believer in Hastert having suddenly discovered a concern about exec powers in connection with the Jefferson office search.
lotus -
I’ll put in an effort to phase into a more loving attitude on this issue, using you as an example. Really… I will. *struggle struggle* hee.
For those of you experiencing severe thunderstorms in or near New England, please click on this link – http://www.weather.gov/ – and then click on your location on the map. The links I tried to post above aren’t working.
If military vs. other kind of service were optional, I think mandatory national service would be a great idea.
Yes, I thought the contest was funny, but sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Here’s Michelle Malkin rapping in “Give Jihad a Chance.”
BC, yes, “national service,” was the term I was looking for.
I think it offers some excellent possibilities. High percentage of kids get out of high school without the skills they need to compete in the job market. This gives them a second chance to retool. Also, the best and the brightest should contribute the most. If they don’t, or they dog it, that should be noted and there should be consequences.
it is generally agreed by most Israel-recognizing countries and the UN that the 1967 boundaries delineate Israel. Some Arab countries say the ‘48 boundaries but thats kinda pushing it nowadays. No other boundaries are accepted by the world except the pre-67 borders.
Israel occupies all of the West Bank and the Gaza strip and Syria’s Golan Heights — all fruits of the 67 War. Egypt has renounced ownership of the Gaza strip to the Palestinians like Jordan did of the West Bank. Syria still wants the Golan Heights back.
Israel did occupy the southern part of Lebanon for 18 years until withdrawing in 2000. Israel had occupied the entire damn Sinai Peninsula until the Camp David Accords.
Mary says “I’m just not a big believer in Hastert having suddenly discovered a concern about exec powers in connection with the Jefferson office search.”
July 28th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
I know nothing of the guest poster on Larry’s blog. A conjecture: might Dennis Hastert (or someone else) have been concerned about what might be found in connection with the Jefferson office search or future searches?
*ilson46201 #155
The Israelis ended their occupation of south Lebanon in the spring of 2000.
thanks Hugh — corrected now — a stupid mistake.
I am astounded folk here dont know of the sanctity of the 67 borders …
John Caspar: Your system isn’t going to work.
There’s no way we can afford universal service, the cost, in both absolute terms (raw dollars) and relative terms (effect on quality of service) are unbearable.
The only way we can manage to have a skilled/professional army would be to two-tier the system, with second tours/volunteers being treated with a vast difference. That or we condemn our selves to soldiers in penury, and only those who can’t manage to find work on the outside will remain.
That’s part of the problem with systems like Ukraine, and Russia. The rank and file have no interest in the service, and so the service, on the whole suffers from a lack of dedication to basic functions.
Oklahoma kiddo: The problem with the draft, as practiced in Viet-nam, was the deferments. Someone who could afford an outside physician, (Rush) who could get into college (Joe), or had a family connection to the National Guard, could avoid real service.
If I were to support a draft (and there are reasons, mostly having to do with insularity, positive feedback and lack of cultural cross section, which give me some reasons to favor a draft), it would have to be very simple:
No exemptions, no exceptions. If someone has a college acceptance, they get to defer enrollment; no option on the part of the school (and the full power of the Judge Advocate General’s Corps to enforce that). Medical reasons, and only when determined by someone in the Army, and CO status are the only reasons one gets out. CO status (which I happen to think is too rarely granted) leads to a stint in AmeriCorps, the Peace Corps or some similar service agency.
Because if there is any whiff of privilege, then a draft is not only unfair (which would be fatal to both the draft, and political strife would cetainly, and legitemately follow), but immoral.
That’s my tuppence.
TK
TK,
So you’d bring back the lottery?
BC
TK,
I’d modify the college deferment to require enlisted service of those selected in the lottery, unless they opted for ROTC or an academy.
BC
It looks like the reason George and Condi have been avoiding the cease fire is this: They with the help of Tony want to sucker a coalilition of unwilling Euro allies into the region as a peacekeeping force so when the house of cards collapses they are stuck with taking sides with George/Israel. I dirty bargin in the current barbaric action. George is basically saying join us to make peace our way or shutup and we’ll do what we want to do.
Thanks Terry, I really like what you put out.
“The only way we can manage to have a skilled/professional army would be to two-tier the system, with second tours/volunteers being treated with a vast difference. That or we condemn our selves to soldiers in penury, and only those who can’t manage to find work on the outside will remain.”
BC and others, I don’t like leaving combat (or the possibility of it) exclusively to those who volunteer for it. I think you need your absolute best at the front. That also lessens the likelihood of a War of Choice, such as Iraq and Afghanistan imo.
Making good decisions in combat involves the processing of huge amounts of data very quickly, among other things.
I wish that I could worry about national service only in terms of my dream that some day this country will require all high school seniors (including the rich ones) to have, keep, and live for a year on a retail or service sector job. I think it would improve the minimum wage and the manners of many shoppers. It is a bad joke these days though.
btw, hello all, been lurking on and off between job things- really interesting stuff on the boards today.
John Casper 163, you seem to be assuming that the “absolute best” would all opt for non-combat service if given the choice. I’m not sure that’s true.
sherocket, I like that idea – but I don’t think it would take a year. A month or two would be more than adequate to teach the lesson. Kids could be rotated through in shifts, which is pretty much what happens to service sector employees now anyway.
It has been a dream of mine for years. It would only take a couple months, but a year would really drive the point home, I think
“I don’t like leaving combat (or the possibility of it) exclusively to those who volunteer for it.”
No, Nefarious, I tried to but, I was obviously not clear enough. I think you make a good point, some of the best and brightest would volunteer. In WWII, I think submarines and airborne were both all-volunteer, maybe other branches too.
BC: I can understand that, I’m not sure about implementation. At the beginning that would make it seem there were those who were skating the risk of being shot at by heading to school.
Certainly any college deferment would have to be for such a purpose, and an honest deferment, not a chance to skate out becuase you won’t be picked up when the time comes.
Yes, BTW, I am in favor of a lottery, because the plain cost, in dollars; and the caustic effect of it, would be too great. We are not so small as Switzerland, nor so structured as the Soviet Union was (nor yet as France and Germany were prior to WW1) as to make the influx of millions doable.
On a more practical note, the scions of the wealthy could manage, in a system so large, to more easily game things to avoid any real risk.
I fear we shan’t again see the sacrifiices of The Great War, or even yet WW2, which speaks more of our elite, than it does of the vagaries of privilege which afflicted, for good and ill, England of those eras.
TK
Re: a reinstitution of the draft.
I absolutely support no exemptions for anything but CO and medical conditions.
The reasons for a new draft are for me, two: To facilitate stopping (un-necessary and illegal) wars, and to make military service fair (without respect to social, ethnic, or economic strata).
John 168, yes, I see what you mean; I could have been clearer myself. I think if we had mandatory service, more than a small percentage of kids would opt for military vs. non-military service. Once they did, the various branches would be able to test and assign them appropriately.
Of course that last sentence assumes that “military intelligence” is not an oxymoron, but at its least dysfunctional (not what it is right now) the military seems to do a decent job of that. It’s not as though, practically speaking, we could take graduating high school seniors’ grades and test scores and then tell the military which ones they were going to use for combat.
Sorry, an addendum to my 171: I am speaking of kids choosing military service in a hypothetical future, in which we are not embroiled in the clusterf*ck that is the ME. Right now, of course, my hypothetical is about as far from likely as it could be.
I had a call this morning from some poor woman at the DNC asking for my money. Imagine the ranting I went into. I told her right off the bat that I am giving money directly to the candidates I am supporting, like Ned Lamont. I read the riot act on Lieberman. She asked me about the new Hillary “contract for America” or whatever the name is, might as well be the CfA. I told her we don’t have any money for anything good as the money we already did not have had already been spent/wasted in Iraq, and then started on the Israeli war with her. She said, I guess you don’t care about health care, etc. etc. I told her we need to get out of the war, and if the Democrats licking Bush’s a** don’t step up, forget it. She kept after it, we finally had to let it go. But I talked about the grassroots and how fed up we are with the lousy Schumer, Clinton, Lieberman lovin’ it up with Bush. She was on the kool-aide for sure.
She said, I guess you don’t care about health care, etc. etc.
really!! Wow. That is kind of an out-of-line tone to take with somebody you want to donate money.
Have a good evening, everyone. I’ll catch y’all later.
Nefarious Leslie: Forgive me my sensitive nature, as I happen to be in military intelligence.
Speaking from a grunt level use of it (as well as some views of strat, and intimations of levels above Corps, in the early stages of the present unpleasantness) we have decent intel, at least at the larger levels. We had variable intel at the operational level; not least because some places the intel collectors were being driven by the primary consumers, which skews all sorts of things).
These days, we probably have weak intel, on the ground, because we can’t build good relations at the lower levels, and so much of what we have is either suspect at the source (what is the providers agenda?) or inferential/collected from secondary sources.
Before the war, I am willing to say that V Corps did not think Hussein had any credible threat of WMD.
What we don’t have, and I don’t know that a draft will fix it, is enough people at the upper levels of the system willing to publically speak out about the things they see as wrong. As a middle NCO I agree with the late Col. Hackworth, in the first piece of writing of his I noticed, where he said the failing of the Commander on the ground in Beiruit was hisnot resigning on principle when he was told his sentries were to have weapons, but no ammo.
He went on to say (it was a Time Magazine op/ed piece) thatwe needed more resignations of such a sort; not only to make points to inept political leadership, but to maintain the integrity of the system by making it plain that while the military is subservient to the political, it can’t be slavish.
But I digress, as is my wont.
TK
Now that Photochop is just TOO fucked up.
According to an article in today’s “Forward,” Ned Lamont has stated that he supports Israel’s current operations in Gaza and Lebanon.
For the full entry, go to:
http://www.forward.com/articles/8190