I know, Buffy the Vampire Slayer has nothing whatsoever to do with the mess of a foreign policy that we are in at the moment, but after reading the various articles that I have been slogging through to do a round-up for everyone, I needed a pick-me-up. And, trust me, you’ll need one, too — so I’m starting this with a Buffy clip, just the opening sequence and then the fun "Grrr, Arrgh" guy at the end. And, after you’ve caught up on the abysmal mess that is the Bush approach to foreign policy (or lack thereof) there is a surprise.
Because, frankly, after reading all of this, "Grrr, Arrgh" pretty much sums up my mood.
Michael Hirsch has an infuriating article in Newsweek (via Froomkin), which details the myriad of failures that comprise the Bush "policy" in Iraq and now spreading throughout the Middle East.
As most U.S. military experts now acknowledge, these tactics violated the most basic principles of counterinsurgency, which require winning over the local population, thus depriving the bad guys of a base of support within which to hide. Such rules were apparently unknown to the 4th ID commander, Maj. Gen. Ray Odierno….according to that iron law of the Bush administration under which incompetence is rewarded with promotion, as long as it is accompanied by loyalty—Odierno will soon be returning to Iraq as America’s No. 2 commander there, the man who will oversee day-to-day military operations….
Like Ricks, The Washington Post’s first-rate Pentagon correspondent, I don’t really fault the soldiers on the ground for the mistakes made. These young men and women were in a hellish situation, and as warriors they performed superbly. But once they began breaking into Iraqi homes, cool and competent GIs turned into Keystone Kops, pressed into a counterinsurgency role they’d never been taught. So the soldiers improvised, often amateurishly, apparently—according to Ricks—directed by Odierno to kick down doors. The American soldiers themselves were aware of how inane many of their night raids were. Back in January 2004, the unit I was with jokingly called their raids "Jerry Springers." Why? Because the intelligence was often based on unreliable sources who had agendas of their own. "Lots of times it turns out to be some guy who wants us to arrest another guy who’s interested in the same girl," one soldier told me.
Yes, that is correct. The US military, our trained men and women at arms, are under orders from commanders who have been promoted to follow-up on half-assed leads so full of holes that local cops would laugh the complainants out of the station house. But wait, it is much worse:
The Bush administration has fought the "war on terror" as a series of Jerry Springers, one lunatic leap of logic after another based on unreliable sources, linking up enemies that had little to do with each other. The White House’s failure to understand counterinsurgency in Iraq is, writ large, its failure to understand the radical Muslim enemy as a whole. The president has used Al Qaeda to gin up the threat from Iraq, just as he is now conflating Hizbullah and Hamas with Al Qaeda as "terrorists" of the same ilk. Actually these groups had little connection to one another—or at least they didn’t until America decided to make itself their common enemy. Al Qaeda was always, in truth, the only "terrorist group of global reach" in the world—which is how Bush accurately defined things back in that long-ago fall of 2001. Both Hizbullah and Hamas had publicly disavowed any interest in backing Osama bin Laden’s goals. Al Qaeda was Sunni, Hizbullah is Shiite. Even within the Muslim world these groups had scant support, although Hamas and Hizbullah had a lot more than Al Qaeda did because they were providing social services in Lebanon and Gaza….But with each errant bomb that kills more Lebanese children, the U.S. position becomes less defensible. By walking in lockstep with the Israelis, we Americans make it impossible for Muslims not to see us as an enemy. And every Muslim official knows, even if Bush does not, that Hizbullah is not identical with Iran but is a client of it, in a relationship not unlike that of the United States and Israel. By making Israel’s war our own we ensure that the Lebanese group and the Tehran mullahs will be even closer allies in the future. We place the Muslims whom we desperately need as allies, like Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, in an impossible position. Maliki, a Shiite, can no longer stand with Bush, as he showed during his tense visit to Washington this week.
And at cafes and around kitchen tables throughout the Arab world, good-hearted Muslims can no longer defend America against their more hate-filled brethren. They have fallen silent; they have no arguments left. "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity," as the poet Yeats memorably put it.
Yep, that’s right. We’re creating our enemies faster than Saddam ever could have done so. This is Osama Bin Laden’s wet dream, and George Bush is handing it to him like an Adam and Eve bonus box. Our biggest hope was that moderate Muslims — which were the majority of Muslims according to every report I’ve read in and around 9/11 and in the couple of years afterward — would somehow pull things back from the brink from inside, and that we would somehow support them from the outside through infrastructure, democracy movements, shoring up all the holes into which despair and rage seep into the disenchanted and the lost. But we did not do so. We forfeited out greatest opportunity for lasting change in our relationship with the Islamic world after 9/11 with our asinine u-turn into Iraq.
And yet, it gets even worse (and you thought that was already pretty bad, didn’t you?):
But inexorably, month by month, the Bush administration broadened the war on terror to include ever more peoples and countries, especially Saddam’s Iraq, relying on thinner and thinner evidence to do so. And what began as a hunt for a relatively contained group of self-declared murderers like bin Laden became a feckless dragnet of tens of thousands of hapless Arab victims like the sons of the hostel owner in Samarra, the vast majority of whom had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or terror, just as Saddam had little to do with Al Qaeda, just as the Iraqi insurgency had little to do with Al Qaeda (at least at the start), just as Hizbullah has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. And as the war broadened beyond reason, and the world questioned the legitimacy of the enterprise, our friends dropped away. Worse, we have found ourselves making enemies in the Islamic world faster than we could round them up or kill them.
Today, more from the muddled strategic thinking of the Bush administration than the actual threat from Al Qaeda, the "war on terror" has become an Orwellian nightmare: an ill-defined war without prospect of end. We are now nearly five years into a war against a group that was said to contain no more then 500 to 1,000 terrorists at the start (in case anyone’s counting, 1,776 days have now passed since 9/11; that is more than a full year longer than the time between Pearl Harbor and the surrender of Japan, which was 1,347 days). The war just grows and grows. And now Lebanon, too, is part of it.
The war on terror ought to now officially be renamed the "terrorist creation program." Because that is exactly what these half-assed, piss poor planning jobs from George Bush and his neocon cabal have been foisting on all of us. Truly, read the entire Hirsch article, and then prepare to be even angrier that you are now.
But wait, there’s more.
Here’s Jonathon Freeland of the GuardianUK:
But the record of failure goes deeper than that. It began in the president’s first week, when Bush decided he would not repeat what he perceived as his predecessor’s mistake by allowing his presidency to be mired in the fruitless search for Israeli-Palestinian peace. Even though Clinton had got tantalisingly close, Bush decided to drop it. While Henry Kissinger once racked up 24,230 miles in just 34 days of shuttle diplomacy, Bush’s envoys have been sparing in their visits to the region.
The result is that the core conflict has been allowed to fester. Had it been solved, or even if there had been a serious effort to solve it, the current crisis would have been unimaginable. Instead, Bush’s animating idea has been that the peoples of the Middle East can be bombed into democracy and terrorised into moderation. It has proved one of the great lethal mistakes of his abominable presidency – and the peoples of Israel and Lebanon are paying the price.
Not your cuppa tea? How about this one from the LATimes, which tells us that reconstruction projects are woefully behind because of increased sectarian violence and contractor incompetence, among other things. Because, you know, those military recruiters tell you that you’ll be going over to Iraq to stand in between a great sectarian free for all…oh wait, no they don’t. (Froomkin hit the religious violence issue previously, and it is fantastic to see the LATimes pick up that thread in their article.)
But it’s probably just the liberal media not taking the time to even talk to our soldiers, right? Wrong. And when the soliders have an opportunity to spend some time with the media, they talk about how they are all just waiting to get blown up, and how frustrating it is to be a target on a mission with no real objectives and no realistic hope of accomplishing anything. (Gee, sound like any other war you may know?)
I mean, let’s be honest, how far in the crapper are you when Pat Buchanan and Chris Matthews both think you suck? (via Crooks and Liars)
Oh, and back to al Qaeda? Well, they are calling us "crusaders" now, and asking for a holy war against us all.
Do you trust George Bush to get us out of yet another mess of his making? And where is the republican-controlled rubber stamp Congress in all of this? They are about to break for a month-long vacation. (Yep, you read that right, they might as well take the month off since the Shrub goes down to his pig farm about this time every year to weed whack the hell out of some brush.)
If you want more in-depth analysis on this, I just cannot give it to you because I am so angry and disgusted, I cannot get past the rage. Here are some great sources for more information: the profound writing of Billmon, the expertise of Prof. Juan Cole, the great work of Laura Rozen, the intel connections of Larry Johnson, the insightful Swopa at Needlenose, the military bits and pieces from Steve Gilliard. Also Haaretz has been doing some good on the ground reporting, as has the GuardianUK.
(And, here’s the surprise at the end of the depressing, infuriating post. I found what is billed as the never-aired pilot episode of Buffy. [Warning: this is quite a long YouTube, so heads up to the folk on dial-up.] There’s a different Willow, and a whole lot of other amusing bits, for the Buffy fans in the audience. Enjoy!)



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“Buffy the Vampire Slayer” is always relevant.
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi!
Awesome, I was mucking around thinking of who to put, but I wouldn’t have picked Gandhi. That’s punk.
Little wonder that Americans are beginning to experience overwhelming pessimism about the future.
it was only about 15 minutes ago that I added Ha’aretz to my favorites list based on constant linkages from Laura Rozen’s WarandPiece blog…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5223784.stm
Mary — have you seen the WaPo story on war crimes yet? http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..components
Sorry it’s such a bleak, angry rant this morning, gang. I spent so much time trying to read through even more articles and information, but I just had to stop. They kept getting worse and worse…and were coming from a lot of sources that I didn’t expect to be so critical. It’s as though we’ve reached a tipping point of horror, and no one can believe how truly fucked up things are.
Grrr, Arrgh.
I tried in vain to find some sort of constructive idea for righting the ship, but I cannot find anything remotely on point for that. We’re less safe. Israel is less safe. The whole of the Middle East is less safe. The world is less safe. Heckuva job, Bushie…crap choices, crap results, crap President.
But the good news is that the Today Show just did a segment with cute babies, and now Chicago is performing. I’ve always loved Chicago, because they do live, real instruments and not so much with the studio fakery. Love it.
Christy — the fact that the bed news is beginning to be more widely disseminated is very positive. Previously the story was that all’s for the best in this best of all possible worlds. Now, problems are beginning to be recognized — now, more people can begin to deal with it.
The.Worst.President.Ever !
I weep for America, and the world.
OT – but not. It’s not just the military campaigns that have been run so poorly as to be almost criminal. There’s also the folks who have decided that being criminals is a resume enhancer if you want to work for this administration. But don’t worry – if you don’t start a criminal, they can make you one.
EPU’d from below – I’m reliving how pissed I was originally with the idiotic, irresponsible, immoral lawyers involved. Although the writer of this article is right up there – headline “detainee abuse” – bury in the text WAR CRIMES and referencing the War CrimesAct as a piece of “obscure” legislation.
Bruce Fein may want to revise that “adequate” rating he handed out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14067214/
Detainee abuse charges feared
Bush administration seeks shield from 1996 War Crimes Act
Ok – let’s get out the scorecard here. Just this week we have visited the Administration going before Congress and saying
1)we have the power to do everything we have done, but uh, let’s have a piece of legislation protecting the telecoms from violaton of the laws that we’ve had them violate – not that we can’t do that, but, uh, maybe you should,like, you know – immunize them;
2)oh, and while you’re at it, not such a big deal to us bc they don’t make the same campaign contributions, but maybe all those people we have had committing thousands of felonies over the last five years, maybe we should finally freakin get around to asking that they get some cover too (ha ha ha – they should have asked how much jail time goes with their pay grade – obscene snicker by the jerks who put them on the line while they sit back say, oops, bad advice ain’t a crime); and
3)now the biggie – that little piece of DOMESTIC legislation called the WarCrimes Act, that good ol Gonzales was so certain you could get around by playing word games — seems like now they’ve figured out they gave bad advice theretoo – oh well,let’s just decriminalize war crimes as clean up and punch each other in the shoulder with a laugh over how we called that one wrong too.
I can’t even type what I’m thinking. This is what sent me over the edge when the 2002 memo first came out – that we have had such a screwed up Congress that they would not impeach someone over that messed up “this is your brain on an unhinged power trip” analysis – even when they had the pictures in their hands showing the results – boggled my mind. WHat boggled it more is that any lawyer would work for that President and that AG once that came out, and that no lawyers in Gov stood up when it came out and said – “that is just wrong.”
Now look where we are.
The greatest and most powerful country in the world is faced with legalizing reams of criminal behavior as if, on the one hand it is nothing more than a crime family, and on the other it is nothing more than a third world human rights violater. And we are out in the open now – stated public policy – felonies and war crimes.
I’m glad that I will be way too busy this morning to think about it again for awhile. I can’t believe how badly they screwed things up and how many have played along – with Bradbury and Moeschella still putting out the paper on tripe.
Jerks who took the best parts of this country down into the sewer with them.
CHS, you and my wife with the “Today” show… although I did enjoy watching David Gregory get down with some Hillary Duff music last year.
On a serious note, the continuing down-the-toilet meme could explain why the White House is considering beefing up its internal legal team against the
possibilityprobability of Dem gains in Congress and their hopeful resumption of Executive Branch oversight.CHS (8):
“I tried in vane to find…” should be “vain”.
(Sorry to be a grammar cop…just what you need this morning, huh?)
Before I dive into the abyss of the morning news, I just want to say that I miss Spike.
-Dru
Emma Caulfield is teh hott.
Good morning, everyone. Before I run out the door I just wanted to add something from the Thomas Ricks interview. He told a story about a General named McMasters who took over a unit in Iraq that hadn’t done well. What he tried to instill in every soldier is that every time you disrepect an Iraqi you’re working for the enemy. He was areal leader. He set up an exit interview process for every detainee to determine if and how they became anti-american. His belief was that in order to win the war it was important to understand how we were actually influencing these people, believing that this year’s detainee is next year’s mayor. McMaster actually went to the insurgency to talk with them about the new Iraqi government and asked them to stop their fighting to honor their country, to give it a chance. He is at UN now.
There is a lot more really compelling information which I may try to post later, but got to run. Best to all, especially HopeSat and Mommybrain.
I woke up groggier then usual, not a morning person by any mean here, and it feels so surreal reading all the news. Somehow esspresso
The news is getting so loud and so bad, from so many places, that we’re starting to recognize patterns of disaster.
Nevertheless, most reports still grant the perpetrators the benefit of the doubt, treating these messes as unforeseen consequences of poorly conceived actions. Come on, journalists and pundits! Use what you know: we’re talking about screw-ups, but these are adults who successfully stole two successive national elections. They can be very good planners and effective improvisers when they want to.
We all need to consider the probability that when violence and destruction break out over and over again and the administration passively and actively resists all attempts to create any peace other than death, these accidents are occurring on purpose. If I’m not mistaken, Halliburton and the oil companies are coincidentally doing very well these days, and Karl Rove uses insecurity (known as death and mayhem overseas) to increase the electoral advantage derived from other means of cheating.
One other thing. Any journalist who compares our GIs’ treatment of the Iraqi population to the behavior of the Keystone Kops has a long way to go before I’ll listen to him. I don’t recall any Keystone Kops films that featured lethal force, and the jails looked considerably better than Abu Ghraib.
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Hubris Sonic at 16 — you know, I say the same thing about Anthony Stewart Head. There’s just something incredibly hot about a brilliant man with a British accent. SIGH
And in some good news (via CNN):
“CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) — War protesters will have a new and bigger gathering place when they return in August to President Bush’s adopted hometown: a 5-acre lot bought with insurance money Cindy Sheehan received after her son was killed in Iraq.”
Meta at 17 — that is great stuff. Would love it if you could talk more about it. Was it information that Ricks put in his book? Am hoping to get out to the bookstore later today, and his book is one of the ones I’m contemplating picking up if I get there…
There is an assumption that those in power now actually have a vision of a better world. They don’t.
They operate like children… wounded that we lost… or as they like to claim…were prevented from kicking ass in vietnam.
Then of course, they and their friends want war… because we have this big military (industrial complex) which NEEDS war. What would this sector do without wars and threats and enemies? Be out of business!!!!!!!!!!
The you have the energy theives. We all need energy, people and the economy, but these guys need it to make tons of cash and controlling it gives them lots of power (see above).
If if if this nation (those in power) CARED about the people and the people of other nations it would have a completely different approach to EVERYTHING… from education, health care, housing, infra structure, energy, the environment … human rights… and the list goes on and on.
We have a cancer within the nation… it is consuming us and robbing us of energy and resources and destroying the world in the process.
We need some MAJOR MAJOR house cleaning and a completely different tack… not just window dressing and more democrats.
Good morning — Is it? A good morning I mean. Bombs falling everywhere. Early morning upset – Miles referred to Israel bombs falling on “Hezbollah strongholds.” Now, how does Miles know they are Hezbollah and not simply Arab towns. Ooooh, I know, Israel told him. Oh, O.K. then.
Recently read some poll that MORE Americans believe that Iraq war will end up favorable and that more believe in the WMD fairytale and 6 months ago.
We truly are in Oz people. With the evil witch doing her damdest to drown this country in the bathtub of hate. And who did I see this a.m. on cspan? Daniel Pipes here to spread some more.. ah… whatever evil spew he has in that oh so soft and reasonable voice.
Recently people are quick to temper here and elsewhere as the temperature rises with threats to America coming from everywhere. It will be a long time before there is any safety felt.
And do I hear the dems in D.C. talking loudly about this mess? I must need a hearing aide.
Christy, please excuse me for going OT, but I’m not quite sure where would be an appropriate place to make this comment —
I just wanted to tell John Casper that you are what “community” is all about.
I’m sure I’m not the only one out here who hasn’t been moved by the way you extended your hand to Lo.
I’m an American living in Munich, been here for almost 8 years. Every time I visit the States, I cry at how unrecognizable it has become to me. FDL and other blogs have given me hope, that there are still people over there who haven’t abandoned true american values and aren’t afraid to speak up and fight to defend them. Thank you!
And thank you John Casper for standing up and going out of your way to bring Lo into the community, and Lo, thank you for having the courage to become a part of it.
You give me hope and demonstrate the strength of this community.
By the way, Adie, excellent advice you gave to newcomers — thanks!
PS I don’t mean to ignore all the other wonderful commenters, but I’ve already rambled on too long and get very nervous when speaking in public!
Christie,
I would add Robert Fisk at the Independent (UK) to the list of outstanding sources of information. Fisk has lived in Lebanon for years and may be the best reporter covering the war. And he is not afraid to tell it like it is…like most of the people reporting for the mainstream American media.
GrandmaJ – I read that too, about more people believing there are WMDs now then before. I’d like to know who these people are that keep changing their mind, I have a bridge I’d like to sell them.
I think the spike can be attributed to the false claim by Santorum/Fox that weapons have been discovered.
Good Morning Firedogs,
being the sometime contrarian I am, after scanning Christy’s links, I went off to read of
Gen. Matthew Ridgway – the guy who told Eisenhower to stay out of Indo-China in 1954 – and laid out how we’d get our asses kicked using conventional military forces against guerillas (sp?)/insurgencies – further, how it would diminish the veneer of American invincibility, etc.
what a shame all those brilliant neo-cons can’t read
http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1
976/2/
as someone who just ordered a Premium Format Spike from Sideshow…
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi…..item=71681
…for *way too friggin much* money, I heartily approve.
and if anyone wants to see what season 8 Buffy’s going to look like, I put together a coupla wallpapers using Jo Chen’s cover of the first issue. (what? you didn’t know that Whedon’s writing a comic book version of Buffy picking up where season 7 left off? for shame!)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/a…..195831997/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/a…..195562245/
Yes, Christy. His book is called Fiasco (along with a longer subtitle which I’m forgetting at the moment – apologies. No caffeine yet…..) He was on Charlie Rose night before last and he just gave me the chills. I think he made 5 trips to Iraq where each time he stayed in the Red Zone for long periods of time because he believes the Green Zone contains no reality because there are no Iraqi’s there. He talked with soldiers and officers and got a hold of notes and emails from a lot of people on the ground, so he apparently has volumes of documentation for his claims. The book begins at summer ’03, because he sees august 7 as the absolute turning point with Jordanian embassy explosion = beginning of the insurgency.
Must go now to what will be a really tough day for me – like Trex, having to deal with some downer people. Christy, thanks for all the work you do to plow through all this very sobering and depressing information that has become our nation’s calling card. We are of course sickened, but knowing all of this is so important.
the Ridgeway article http://www.americanheritage.co….._2_4.shtml
Thanks Mary.
ABA just came out against signing statements.
Is there anyway to invite at least portions of local “BAR” associations to pressure these attorneys while we are figuring out a better solution? These attorneys appear so insulated, like hired guns protected by a badge. They have forgotten their responsibility as “officers of the court.”
despite having all these kids who were teens at the height of Buffy’s popularity – I am completely unfamiliar w/ the show -
but, Anthony Stewart Hedd ? – oh my – rise and shine
(for those of you in the dark like me)
http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/television/buffy/30.jpg
On vacation in Quebec city where none of this seems to be happening or on any radar screen. Probably just as well for a few days before getting back into the trenches of the US.
Been reading John Dean’s book, Conservatives Without Conscience which brings a lot of clarity to what is going on—scary clarity. This needs to be on everyone’s must read list. Costco and BJ’s are selling it for about $15 or make sure your library has it.
I hope there is a prescription for how to deal with these stepford werwolves. It may take silver bullets and stakes through their hearts.
miss you all, but the news is just too hard to bear. Thank God for C&L and Colbert and Stewart et al or I would be past crazy by now.
Oh and Thank the Goddess for the gods and goddesses of FDL for their sanity, grounding, humanity, and hope.
Pfifferling, welcome to you. I envision moving to a country which isn’t hated by much of the world. That’s all I can do, envision it.
Ooooh, RevDeb — love Quebec City! It’s been a while since my last visit, but there used to be a little cafe in the base of the Chateau Frontenac that made the BEST crepes. Might be worth a trip, if you are a crepe sorta gal. :) Have a fun vacation!
Mary,
The legislation to insulate themselves from responsibility wrt war crimes is a crystal clear window into the WH. They understand how much trouble they are in and they are tyring to cover their tracks, acting with a guilty mind.
I understand how little solace that is to you, but imho it is a pitiful small sign of progress.
Please do not ever underestimate the debt all of FDL owes you for your lightning quick translations of obtuse legal language into what it means in our current context. You boil things down to the fundamentals.
The feckless dragnet seems like an intentional attempt to build a haystack over the needle-an effort the create a long lasting enemy. It was said by Ben Laden an others that the reason for 9/11 was in part because of U.S. support of Israels oppression an George’s conscious dropping of all previous peace efforts in the ME and NK. In the meantime we had Condi as National Security Advisor on the pre-9/11 watch smiling and stomping around Crawford in her short skirts and high heals. She still there being undiplomatic. What is she smiling about? These people ingnore the obvious because as it has been said before-they thrive on chaos. They need to have their mythological enemies. And amazingly real estate and SUV sales are booming in Texas because the price of oil-we pay for their self service. George’s pals are happy. The #1 email article from the WaPo is about how the troops in Bagdad really feel. Support our troops – bring them home before they get trapped in the continuing madness.
cbl at 33 — the joy of netflix for me has been catching up on shows that I loved, but being able to watch the episodes in a sort of back to back fashion. We were big Buffy fans when the show was on — because the writing was so well done, and the ensemble cast was amazing. But through the magic of netflix, we were able to go back and catch up on Alias, which we had missed the first time around — which made for a great “movie night” with popcorn and lotsa kick-ass fun. Buffy is one of those shows that would make for a great netflix queue festival. :)
thanks *ilson !
meta mentions General McMasters who wrote a treatise on Vietnam called ‘Dereliction of Duty’ – (wherein Matthew Ridgeway is quoted extensively) apparently the book is used as a de facto field manual for many of the current flag officers on the ground
Le Jackal, appreciated the link to People’s Online prior thread.
OT,
There is so much talk about Bin Lden and AQ.
I would like to know more about this group… how many are there? What is the source of the information about AQ? How reliable is it? How much is CIA disinformation?
Even groups like Hamas, Hizballah and so forth have a real verifible presence. After all these years I am still quite unsure about AQ and what it is…. really is not the MSM myth and shorthand we always hear.
Pfifferling, THANK YOU! This community is special. Ditto everything about john casper! and the many others who have both listened and shared their view with me. Oh.. except for the guy who excused me of being paid by the israeli gov’t to post here… that sure did crack me up.
Incidently twowolf1- the joke about the bridge i think started with beirut in 82′ and people saying if you believe such and such, i have a bridge in beirut i’d like to sell you…..never imagined it would be so applicable now. how sad.
clem (19): “We all need to consider the probability that when violence and destruction break out over and over again and the administration passively and actively resists all attempts to create any peace other than death, these accidents are occurring on purpose.”
Last year, during the Bolton confirmation battle, many feared this “policy” of violence as a means to an end would expand under Bolton’s tenure as UN rep.
Well, look we are.
Now, as another Bolton confirmation battle heats up, his defenders are saying it would be unwise to change our UN Ambassador with the Mideast in crisis. Who will be the brave soul to stand and say, clearly and explicitly, it is because of people like Bolton that the Mideast crisis continues to worsen?
OfT: Wife, Friend Tie Congressman to Consulting Firm
Company’s Clients Say They Get Access to Va. Republican
“Two months before Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.) became chairman of the powerful House Government Reform Committee in January 2003, one of his close friends formed ICG Government, a consulting company for technology firms seeking government contracts….”
Thank you, Margot. I’ve never posted on a blog before. Glad to see I pushed the right buttons to get it online!
My husband’s German and he would probably tell you that Germans can be pretty insecure about what the rest of the world thinks about them (though I don’t want to put words in his mouth!)
I’d love to go back to the days when it was easy being an American in a foreign country. Nowadays, it’s a bit of a challenge.
Lo,@6:33, you’re welcome!
Very grateful Pfifferling and lo for your very kind words.
Mornings like this, while watching the news & reading the L.A. Times, a quote from one of the best (albeit disturbing) episodes of Buffy, “The Wish,” keeps rolling through my head:
Anyanka: You trusting fool! How do you know the other world is any better than this?
Giles: Because it has to be.
Mary @ 5:48 & John Caspar @ 6:22
I think you’ve hit on the big legisilative agenda for the next two years of the Bush Administration: CYA – capital letters, bold face type, and in italics.
Even the Gonzalez’s of the administration have probably begun to realize that they’ve been selling ’shine, and people have indeed been breaking the law at their request.
One question to the lawyers here. I know that you can’t pass a law retroactively making legal conduct illegal, but you can make past illegal conduct legal (a sort of legislative pardon). What happens if something is done in 2003 that is illegal, then Congress passes a law granting immunity from it in 2007, but a subsequent Congress repeals that law in 2009 and want the wrongdoers hauled into court to account for their crimes? Would that stand up in Court?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5224474.stm
*ilson,
the hubster cited a recent stat – US Productivity up 26% – Median Household Income down 17%
Serfin’ USA !
It’s that time of year when the national idiot goes on his brush cutting/bike riding vacation. I keep wondering if this is a good or bad thing. If he’s gone, then he can’t screw things up even more than they already are. But then I remember he was missing in action during Katrina and when the “BL Determined to Strike America” PDB was delivered to him.
Cristy, 37
Haven’t been to that creperie yet, but will try it based on your rec. When we got back from a trip to France years ago, I started making them myself and have gotten out of the habit. Will have to do so again—in between blog posts, of course.
Take care of the world while I’m gone.
Life in an Orwellian universe by charles Krauthammer
“What other country, when attacked in an unprovoked aggression across a recognized international frontier, is then put on a countdown clock by the world, given a limited time window in which to fight back, regardless of whether it has restored its own security?
What other country sustains 1,500 indiscriminate rocket attacks into its cities — every one designed to kill, maim and terrorize civilians — and is then vilified by the world when it tries to destroy the enemy’s infrastructure and strongholds with precision-guided munitions that sometimes have the unintended but unavoidable consequence of collateral civilian death and suffering?
Hearing the world pass judgment on the Israel-Hezbollah war as it unfolds is to live in an Orwellian moral universe. With a few significant exceptions (the leadership of the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada and a very few others), the world — governments, the media, U.N. bureaucrats — has completely lost its moral bearings.
The word that obviates all thinking and magically inverts victim into aggressor is “disproportionate,” as in the universally decried “disproportionate Israeli response.”
When the United States was attacked at Pearl Harbor, it did not respond with a parallel “proportionate” attack on a Japanese naval base. It launched a four-year campaign that killed millions of Japanese, reduced Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki to a cinder, and turned the Japanese home islands to rubble and ruin. Disproportionate? No. When one is wantonly attacked by an aggressor, one has every right — legal and moral — to carry the fight until the aggressor is disarmed and so disabled that it cannot threaten one’s security again. That’s what it took with Japan.
Britain was never invaded by Germany in World War II. Did it respond to the blitz and V-1 and V-2 rockets with “proportionate” aerial bombardment of Germany? Of course not. Churchill orchestrated the greatest land invasion in history that flattened and utterly destroyed Germany, killing untold innocent German women and children in the process.
The perversity of today’s international outcry lies in the fact that there is indeed a disproportion in this war, a radical moral asymmetry between Hezbollah and Israel: Hezbollah is deliberately trying to create civilian casualties on both sides while Israel is deliberately trying to minimize civilian casualties, also on both sides.
In perhaps the most blatant terror campaign from the air since the London blitz, Hezbollah is raining rockets on Israeli cities and villages. These rockets are packed with ball bearings that can penetrate automobiles and shred human flesh. They are meant to kill and maim. And they do.
But it is a dual campaign. Israeli innocents must die in order for Israel to be terrorized. But Lebanese innocents must also die in order for Israel to be demonized, which is why Hezbollah hides its fighters, its rockets, its launchers, its entire infrastructure among civilians. Creating human shields is a war crime. It is also a Hezbollah specialty.
On Wednesday, CNN cameras showed destruction in Tyre. What does Israel have against Tyre and its inhabitants? Nothing. But the long-range Hezbollah rockets that have been raining terror on Haifa are based in Tyre. What is Israel to do? Leave untouched the launch sites that are deliberately placed in built-up areas?
Had Israel wanted to destroy Lebanese civilian infrastructure, it would have turned out the lights in Beirut in the first hour of the war, destroying the billion-dollar power grid and setting back Lebanon 20 years. It did not do that. Instead, it attacked dual-use infrastructure — bridges, roads, airport runways — and blockaded Lebanon’s ports to prevent the reinforcement and resupply of Hezbollah. Ten-thousand Katyusha rockets are enough. Israel was not going to allow Hezbollah 10,000 more.
Israel’s response to Hezbollah has been to use the most precise weaponry and targeting it can. It has no interest, no desire to kill Lebanese civilians. Does anyone imagine that it could not have leveled south Lebanon, to say nothing of Beirut? Instead, in the bitter fight against Hezbollah in south Lebanon, it has repeatedly dropped leaflets, issued warnings, sent messages by radio and even phone text to Lebanese villagers to evacuate so that they would not be harmed.
Israel knows that these leaflets and warnings give the Hezbollah fighters time to escape and regroup. The advance notification as to where the next attack is coming has allowed Hezbollah to set up elaborate ambushes. The result? Unexpectedly high Israeli infantry casualties. Moral scrupulousness paid in blood. Israeli soldiers die so that Lebanese civilians will not, and who does the international community condemn for disregarding civilian life? “
Words from a much more talented writer than myself. Agree or disagree, to each his own. just a different take that you wont find on msm. it comes from the blog israellycool.com
1,225 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hardin Smith:
The anger and frustration you feel are not only shared with you brothers and sisters of FDL but that anger and frustration is exploding across the length and breadth of our country. It is frightening and (shame on me)exhilarating to see and feel the growing anger of everyday people against the oligarchs and political thieves. This anger and frustration, if not channeled and appeased thru the next two election cycles will tear the whole fabric of the great American Experiment apart…we have reached the tippin’ point in everything, nothing will ever be “status quo” because there is no status quo left.
As a father and grandfather, I am afraid for my kids but I understand that they will be dealin’ with a whole different world than the one their parents and grandparents fucked up.
KEEP THE FAITH, YESTERDAY IS GONE …ALL WE GOT TO FIGHT FOR IS THE HOPE OF A TOMORROW!!
John Casper @ 6:37: It was just an honest observation; no matter who your speaking partner is, you always address him/her with tremendous respect. It makes it easier for someone to want to be a part of the discussion.
Charles Krauthammer is a major editorial writer at the Washington Post, the very epitome of the MSM. He appears regularly on TV as a talking head.
Krauthammer was quite the cheerleader for the current mess in Iraq. He is hardly a small, weak voice crying desperately for support of a beleaguered country.
Krauthammer is a responsible spokesperson for the entire Neo-Con movement. The article you posted is the official Israeli/Zionist position.
OK, then let’s just impeach his dumb ass. It can be done. We are the ones to do it.
Let’s get started.
*ilson46201 says: “Mary — have you seen the WaPo story on war crimes yet?”
July 28th, 2006 at 5:43 am
Mary says:
July 28th, 2006 at 5:48 am
Please read emptywheel’s comments: http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
Anthony Stewart Head fans must see this if you haven’t. (I found out about it because I was at a fundraiser a couple of years ago, and the hosts had it prominently displayed on a shelf. *g*)
*Yawwwwwwn* Morning, all. Tres bleary today.
Yesterday or last night somebody linked to Slate’s Middle East Buddy List, which “breaks down the relationships between the countries, terrorist organizations, and political factions who are fighting it out in the current conflict. Who likes whom? Who are the bitterest of enemies? And which groups don’t really know where they stand? Click here to open an interactive chart that tells you everything you need to know.”
If you didn’t see it, it’s quite the handy-dandy little chart, but I think its left axis has one important omission: the US. Were we (or at least Boosh) on there, we’d be the only possible candidate to top Israel in “enemies,” don’t you bet? And if each country named on the top axis referred to “citizenry” instead of “government,” it’d be even worse.
Jeebus, WE CAN’T LET THIS GO ON.
(After typing what follows, I noticed it would be EPU’d, so here it is now.)
‘Nother TRex tour de force, I see (but I can’t believe that when you mentioned men identified as “homophobic” actually displayed signs of arousal when confronted with erotic images of other men, no one else mentioned that we’ve dubbed said penomenon “a Fristy”)!
Poor Hopie and her day in electro-hell — takes my own little prob down to a mere molecule in comparison, and I bet someone here can tell me how to fix it in an NY second. Since I did the split-screen thingy to watch a hearing on CSPAN a couple of days ago, whenever I click on a link/open a new window, instead of full-screen size, it comes 2/3-screen size. Which button do I gotta mash to make it cut that out?
Thanks in advance.
RevDeb — I’ve only been there once, but Quebec City is wonderful. Maple syrup pie, yum!
I’m not much of a cook, but I have an electric crepe maker and I know how to use it!
as a matter of fact, that Krauthammer rant you posted is on todays Washington Post as well as on a number of major U.S. newspapers. http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01725.html
lo at 7:06:
It’s generally considered appropriate to post a quote and a link, not the entire article (especially since it’s a copyright violation.)
And on what planet is Charles Krauthammer a “take that you won’t find on msm”? He’s a frickin’ nationally syndicated columnist, not some unknown blogger.
lotus @7:18
Sounds like you are using IE…I had that same problem and could never fix it.
Download Firefox instead, you’ll never go back to crappy IE hehe. (I only use IE now if I want to manually update Windows XP, they require that you be running IE to open the site).
Firefox Home
FYI –
Today’s page in the Ned playbook — press conference with Michael Schaivo today at 12:30 to slam Lieberman for getting involved in a private, family decision.
By not working for a political settlement and cease-fire, the USA is just as complicit as Israel in Lebanon’s destruction. Israel will find out in Lebanon; as the USA discovered in Iraq, you can’t fight a Holy War on the cheap.
The White House Mad Hatters have managed to go to war with both major branches of the Islamic faith.
The U.S.’s current foreign policy regarding the Mid East is depressing. Then lump on the dismal state of domestic policy. It’s frightening. I’m more than concerned for the elections this fall. I hope people decide that enough is enough and pull their head’s out of their nether regions and vote the incompetant, self-serving tools out of office.
I caught this interview of Ben Cohen (of Ben & Jerry’s fame) on NPR’s Marketplace the other day. It’s worth the listen. His audio demonstration of BB’s in a can to illustrate the amount of nukes in this country is haunting. It’s good to know that there are business leaders out there fighting to make a difference rather than just consume and develop.
Off Topic: Just a little political cartoon of Lieberman.
Lo,
Why do you constantly feel the need to push the idea that Israel’s motivations are so pure?
Why can’t we criticize their actions, as well as the actions of Hezbollah?
Maybe both sides are at fault here?
mc 6:00 a.m.
Cindy Sheehan buying that property with her dead son’s insurance money reminds me of Peg Mullen from LaPorte City, Iowa doing a similar thing with her dead son’s insurance money during the Vietnam War.
Peg and Gene Mullen bought a half page ad in the Des Moines Register with 714 crosses representing all the boys in Iowa that had died so far.
At the bottom of the crosses was one single cross with the name of their son who was killed February 18, 1970.
It was a very powerful message and captured national media attention at the time.
— using Krauthammer to back up an argument about war and peace is like using Jerry Falwell as an authority on evolution —
Is it Lo, as in “and behold!” or Io, as in the Zeus abductee?
And, Lotus — if you want to stick with IE — here’s a solution
http://www.burzurq.com/forum/n…..creen.html
Or, hit F11 amd if you don’t like it, hit F11 again to go back to original screen size.
O/T
kirby,
a belated thanks for the pics of your gorgeous shelties on sunday – there are 2 up the property who have adopted me as ‘other mom’ and spend almost more time in my house than theirs (they’re at my feet as I type)One is small, even by sheltie standards, and I told her when being introduced, “don’t think I’m gonna fall your ‘aren’t-I-adorable’ act!”, but of course fell head over heels – to the point when she was spayed last thursday, I stopped by vet’s office for a bedside visit – lol
now back to our regularly scheduled apocalypse
OT (1) An observation on the Lebanon conflict. I’ve seen a lot of quotes from Israeli commanders saying “if only they’d come out and fight fair we’d beat them, but they’re hiding and using all sorts of tricks.” The French knights at Crecy said the same thing about the English longbowmen. This sentence should be translated as, “they are tactically better than we are”, and one’s outlook on where this is going looks very different when viewed that way.
OT (2) OK, it’s finally come up (Mary!) so I’ll have to ask something that’s been bugging me since the NSA wiretapping was revealed. It’s not at all clear that The King’s Men, or the King will be cleared for their war crimes. Come January 2009, all of them could be on the hook for hundreds of years of jail time apiece.
How ruthless will they be then?
Out of all this misery I hope that people will realize how close we are at the tipping point. We can’t deny climate change, we can’t deny the spectrum of human rights abuses, and we can’t deny that it’s going away.
We truly are a global village now, tubes and internets will do that doncha you know. The power lies within each of us to use our passion for a better life, and places like FDL offer people hope and insight into what they can do to achieve the change that’s needed.
Everyday I come here and I’m fascinated by the way people share their heart and soul, their knowledge and their experiences in life. It really does give me hope that we can do it. I have to wonder how dark it would be if I didn’t see the energy and passion that I do everyday.
lo, Krauthammer is an right wing editorialist who wrote an editorial that matches an opinion you already hold. His editorial parrots the Bushco propoganda which is being foisted on the American public via coporate media organs. You are certainly entitled to you opinion and your sympathies, but you won’t get very far here trying to portray Krauthammer as some lonely voice in the wilderness trying to speak truth to power.
Apple Canyon2,
great to see ya back at the lake -
Peg Mullen was beautifully portrayed by Carol Burnett in a tv movie “Friendly Fire” – I recall it moving many a ’stay the course’ parent at the time
Lo is an orthodox progressive Jewish woman living in New Jersey. She was raised around an incredibly strong pro-Israel information system. I perceive she feels Israel is genuinely threatened with annihilation and destruction by powerful outside forces — and that can be damn scary. Lo tries to convey that anguish of a dangerous world and I think she feels we dont appreciate the predicament Israelis feel themselves to be in.
Sorry for a repeat on this if it happens.
I was responding to mc at 6:00 and the comment disappeared into the neverworld.
What Cindy Crawford did with her dead son’s insurance money reminds me of what Peg Mullen of LaPorte City, Iowa did with her dead son’s insurance money in 1970.
Michael Mullen was killed in Vietnam. Peg and Gene Mullen took some of his insurance money and placed an ad in the Des Moines Register newspaper that had 714 crosses and one single cross at the bottom commemorating their son who was killed Feb. 18, 1970.
It was very powerful at the time and attracted the national media. It asked the people of Iowa how many more had to die in this war like their son did.
We just know that Cindy Sheehan is going to be ridiculed by the wingnuts again.
cbl,
I would rather veer off the apocalypse track — the photo of the dog asleep on the footstool is the runt of the litter and only one to survive her Mom’s first litter. She weighs 12 pounds and is 2 years old. Only girl of the four.
We let her get away with anything — our rules only apply to dogs weighing more than 14 pounds
The funniest part is what a pushover Mr. Kirby is. During the day when I am working in my home office, the dogs just hang out, serious napping and they behave beautifully. The minute he walks in the door, all hell breaks loose beause they know he will give in if they start barking. Their favorite is to start barking to go out the minute he sits down to eat breakfast on the weekend. They don’t have me as well trained.
BTW, if lhp is around — I grew up in Stony Brook — where on the Island are you?
Does anyone know if FDL use the WordPress filter to manually process posts with more than 2 links? Or did I just loose a post?
grs, I’m seeing it at 7:31, I think.
You have to hit F5, because of all the troll software we need.
new thread
ok so im a new to blogging and a little (alot) wet behind the ears
I made to major faux paus in my short commenting here. One more and I’m out so to speak ; )
redshift- sorry i will try to post links instead from now on, but sometimes other complain they cant open them.
*ilson thanks for keeping me on my toes ;)
i’m off to the dentist…. I know don’t let the door hit me on the way out (joking)
to=two, sorry
lo at 87 — for what it’s worth, I think you are doing great for a blogging newbie. And I’m glad you are keeping at it — it’s always good to have new faces and new perspectives here. :)
cbl @7:40
Thank you, I have been here, just lurking for lack of being able to add to the brilliant commentary at FDL. FDL keeps me sane in these troubled times.
Also, sorry for the double post everyone. I was looking for the accented pink to show up on my post which was missing.
re: Krauthammer
asked a very general question about Neo Con dogma on the threads yesterday and got no love, so I went scurrying about the tubez to do some reading -
subsequently spent the day in the mother of all funks – these are truly some short sighted gimme-gimme folks. further, a lot of it was non linear (I’m being diplomatic) gobbledy-gook like several train tracks meeting at a precipice.
they now have all the power they ever wet-dreamed about having – and if you’ve spent any time actually reading their bs, you find yourself feeling even less hopeful than you thought you could
And what makes the American public think that Bushco cares more about them than the poor suckers in Iraq and the rest of the Arab world?
They don’t.
Just look at the Katrina situation for proof. In fact, I think the “Look back at Katrina” news stories that are coming up in August and September are going to infuriate the public. It’s going to work against the GOP, see if it don’t.
*ilson 81, op99 is an American… woman… raised around an incredibly strong pro-Israel and pro-American information system.
That doesn’t excuse me from applying critical thinking to government policies and actions, and doing my duty as a citizen to move my government into my desired path. Every American felt threatened by the terrorist attacks of 9/11, but all of us did not fall into a knee-jerk worldview fostered by conservatives. Seems to me lo is advocating counterproductive policies on the part of Israel that are analogous the the neo-cons preferred policies for America. Sorry, she doesn’t get a sympathy pass from me.
the Newsweek guy tells us two years later that the GIs called the raids “Gerry Springers?”
You think that might have made a good story at the time?
*ilson (and lo), I will stipulate that Israel is under a far more potent and immediate threat than the US is, and that Israel’s response may legitimately need to be more in-your-face than ours. And I’m glad to have the discussion. :)
Mary to answer your query from last night (fell asleep on the couch almost the mnute i got home)
I didn’t see SDNY on that list. Current USA is a Chertoff protoge. Didn’t EDNY on that list, Current USA is a Pataki protoge. They are very big offices.
Didn’t see NDVA on that list. Also a big office.Didn’t see Philly on the list, big office.
I don’t know anything about the USA in LA, but I do know at least one of the others on that list personally ( and he is a real straight arrow) and another on that list has the same repuation.
I do not deny possesing more than my fair share of paranoia on this issue, but I do know of actual direct retaliation being taken against very qualified people who had tons of high level supprt from all directions, because there was a perception that they were too close to the good guys and might be tempted to do the right thing.
With respect to straight arrows who actually made it into positions of power (like Fitz), there was this sort of “how did this guy get appointed in the first place if he is not a craven hack?” outrage coming from Rove.
The very first time in my life that I ever heard Rove’s name was when he was fucking with the proposed appointment of someone who was too close to the good guys. I think half the senate called the WH on his behalf and word came back that some guy named Rove was the obsticle. This would be appointee had gold plated by-partisan support.
I was one of the nose counters for his would be confirmation vote (that never got a chance to happen) We were working on a unanimous senate vote, that’s how good/talented/experienced/ well thought of this guy was.
Bushco almost acts as if a fraud has been perpetrated on them when they find out someone in their admin. is not craven.
So, do I know it is targeted, do I have any proff at all? No. Do I suspect it is targeted? Oh yeah.
How come before 9/11, Osama was spelled USAma, I’ve always wondered?
Lo expresses openly (and naively) what I have noticed is hinted at by some of the ‘regulars’ here. Several have expressed discomfiture of the denunciation of many Israeli policies posted here. Personally, I am a proponent of a democratic, secular, bi-national State of Palestine — but that has been demonized as ‘driving Jews into the sea’. Years of strong Zionist propaganda have distorted Americans perceptions of the world. Right now, the WhiteHouse is trying to conflate Saddam, 911, Hamas, Iran into one amorphous enemy to be feared and fought… this is most corrosive!
Peterr at 52
That was so funny. I don’t think you meant it to be, but it sent coffee spewing all over my poor laptop.
This illustrates how absurd we have become.
I don’t think there is any definative answer to you question b/c I can’ think of an example when something like that has happened before (Prohibtion?)
It would take some research, but would also make a very cool law school exam question.
kirby, ya fixed me right up and am I grateful!
Jon Casper,
Let me add my thanks and appreciation to those of ournew friend from Germany.
You are always such a gentleman and the quality and tone of your posts makes it possible for the rest of us to get along and play nicely.
I don’t think this place could exist as it does without your ability to help us all find common ground.
you make it safe for us here, and you do it without playing cop. That is so rare.
What if Israel Cant Win Militarily ? http://www.slate.com/id/2146699/fr/rss/
lhp @ 96 & 99
I do not deny possesing more than my fair share of paranoia on this issue. . .
Sometimes, paranoia’s just good thinking – even paranoids have enemies.
(And just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean that they’re not out to get you.)
As for absurdity, yeah, that’s easy to pull off when you can observe this administration in action. It’s serious discussion, compassion for the less fortunate, and diplomacy that’s hard to come by.
Finally, any law school profs or Bar Examiners who want to use my question are free to do so without any copyright concerns or compensation. All I ask is that you send me the best answer. Fast.
This is one of the reasons why many of us who were in the military during The Late SE Asian Unpleasantness were so bitterly opposed to this invasion: It was blindingly obvious from the beginning that nothing good would come of it. As all of us learned in that freshman logic course, if the premises are wrong, the conclusion will be as well. There wasn’t a single premise put forward by Dear Leader re: invading Iraq that came close to being right.
And this is why, as we have watched it unfold in its awful inevitability, we have referred to it as Vietnam on Speed.
Somebody (Mark Twain?) said that history doesn’t repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes.
Well, it’s rhyming big time now — for the poor ol’ US Army Iraq 2006 is rhyming with RVN 1970 – 71.
The military is in danger of collapse, and like many phenomena in nature, the rate of collapse will not be linear — things will look okay for awhile, and there will then be sudden unraveling. As the story in yesterday’s WaPo makes clear, that unraveling has begun.
Our military is in Iraq only because of the tacit agreement of the Sunnis and the Shias. The day they decide it’s time for us to leave, we’re leaving. If we are foolish enough to try and stay, they’ll start to cut the Main Supply Routes without which a modern army can’t function and that will be that. 130,000 soldiers simply isn’t enough (and was never enough) to do anything at that point other than leave.
The question is: How much longer do they want us to stay, and under what conditions?
DRIVEBY:
Mary’s got another clipping; lhp too. (saved onto HD).
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Dana Priest online chat (lord I wanted to put one in; alas…) from yesterday. Intel/Security is topic, and her beat. She’s not only a damned good and true to he profession, she’s got direct one-line respones – kinda snarky on occasion. Here’s just one (from SanFran..hmm.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00912.html
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“San Francisco, Calif.: Good afternoon, Ms. Priest, and thanks for selecting my question today. Do you recall a Secretary of State who’s been so roundly criticized by her President’s supporters as Condi Rice? Now that Richard Perle, New Gingrich, and Bill Kristol have weighed in against her, can a public rebuke from Vice President Cheney be far behind? Does this carping help her cause — whatever it may be? — in the Middle East?
Dana Priest: I don’t think Bush’s core supporters like Colin Powell at all.”"
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Christy – Thanks for the post. ‘Tis truly a sad state of affairs.
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GrandmaJ:
Thought this might cheer you and other FDLers up:
http://www.opednews.com/articl…..andsli.htm
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Wilson, 102: as a corollary, I’m beginning to question the skill sets of the IDF officer corps…right up to the Generals.
1. Anyone well trained in military tactics understands that you cannot take ground via airpower. Never has worked. What’s Israel been doing??
2. The IDF ground forces, with overwhelming supplies and equipment, have advanced….1 mile? 2? And against an enemy equipped with….combat rifles and RPGs? (I omit the rockets, they’re not being used against military targets)
3. I do NOT question the bravery of the IDF soldier. But I question their tactics. That’s an officer problem.
4. At some point, probably sooner rather than later, those IDF troops up in Lebanon will need to be pulled off the line. Standard replenishment issues. Then what?
Ghostman
pushing Hezbollah back a mile or two into Lebanon will result in the Katyushas landing zone being pushed back a mile or two — not an impressive diminuition of damage to the Israeli territory.
And now I’ll be a little sarcastic as I ask: anyone have any news, updates on progress of the Israeli army in obtaining the return of the 2 captured IDF soldiers? Are talks underway? How are negotiations moving along? Any special forces raids on a villa, a home, suspected of holding the soldiers?
That is the whole point of this military event….isn’t it?
Ghostman
Ghostman @ 8:46
Might be a little early to be optimistic about that, but Israel might be putting out peace feelers.
Click me
Good news if true and if they work it out.
I just sent this post to my entire address book. “If you’re not pissed of yet, you will be.” It hurts, but this is an absolutely needed post. Well-organized, well-researched, yet sadly, only the tip of the iceberg. We MUST turn the neocons into the dinosaurs of America and the quicker they go extinct the better.
Now to get these facts to the MSM and our weak-kneed Dems.
Good job, rat bastahd!
rat bastard, when you said,
“Now to get these facts to the MSM and our weak-kneed Dems,”
you’re onto something.
The MSM already has these facts – they choose to ignore them. So do the weak-kneed Dems.
But Americans are the victims of this propoganda campaign. And we can get the facts to them.
How? Just the way you did, send this article to all your friends.
And more.
The simplest way to make sure Americans read the news of the rest of the world is to make it available to them.
Buy a Guardian every time you pass a newstand. When someone starts reading over your shoulder, pass it on.
Leave it in Starbucks.
Leave it on your bus seat.
Leave a copy of a newspaper that actually covers the news everywhere you can so average Americans can pick one up and read it.
Spread the news – one recycled paper at a time.
Americans aren’t stupid. They’re just badly informed.
We can change that.
Bush promotes loyal incompetents 1)because they are incompetent they know their new postion is owed entirely to their following orders and that a new power structure would FIRE THEM *, 2) incompetent people will do what they are told and no more no worries about thinking for themselves or trying to do the right thing just look at how Bush does what Karl and Dick tell him
*the first thing a Democrat should do when running for president is promise to fire every one they can connected to or hired by Bush esspecialy the generals fifth columums can be a pest
Pfifferling, welcome.
John Casper, our friendly ghost, I third all the kind things said about you, you gentleman, you.
Does anyone else think Rover has taken into consideration the fact that the Israeli issue one of the few items double-damn guaranteed to split the Dems?
All quiet on the stalker front. Not gone to the police yet but I actually called his mother last night and we had a very long talk. He is in a deep depression, at home, not in California. He has been drinking heavily and she is very worried for him. She says he talks about me as the only person in his life who will still speak to him. Seems he is suffering pangs of guilt over some unexplained bad behavior on his part. Shit.
Very fast ck in – busy busy day.
lhp – I believe you on the targeting, I just don’t know enough about the offices to pick that up from the piece. It sounds like, with almost 800 open slots, even offices that aren’t being targeted are in a crunch. Also that the 10M/hour spent in Iraq might have some better places it could go.
Peterr – IMO, it depends on the whys and hows of the illegal behavior. If it is illegal based only on statutory provisions, then I think they can pull it off. If it is *illegal* based on Constitutional violations – then it’s a bit more touch and go. If it is illegal based on common law illegality, then you have to have a very tight statute to decriminalize prior behavior, bc you are legislating in derogation of the common law. Top it off with the fact that there are a boatload of different, interweaving statutes to see if you cover all bases, and if in doing so, you decriminalize a lot of things you didn’t mean to let off.
But of course, the brilliant men and women, mostly men thank God, who have pulled things off so well, so far — I’m sure they’ll get it right. I’m also sure it will do not one thing to this country to have massive legislation decriminalizing a half decades worth of Bill of Rights, Torture Act, War Crimes Act, UCMJ etc. violations. OTOH – what are the alternatives that the A Team has left us, as a country?
Oh, yeah, I forgot – we just take all the incompetent immoral bad lawyers and put them on the Appellate Courts and so they can finish what they started.
You know what – the Exec DOES have the power of pardon. If the COngress had any balls at all they’d tell Gonzales & CO. that the PResident can just go ahead and go down in history as the first President to compile and cross annotate a huge long list of criminal violations, all undertaken at his own direction and under the “asbestos touch” insulation of his DOJ.
Pardon IS his power. Let him start the list now of all the criminals he’s created and put pardon to their name. It’s his list – he should own it.
Pissed and no time to be pissed.
Christy,
I heard the Odierno name for the first time this week.
Major General Raymond T. Odierno Was mentioned this week on The Charlie Rose show featuring Thomas Ricks and a review of his book “Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq” . This was a very interesting show, watch or pod it if you have the opportunity.
Major General Raymond T. Odierno, CMDR. 4th INFANTRY DIV sounds like he should be placed high on the list for investigations into Geneva war crimes. He ordered torture according to sources (troops) in Ricks book.
Interestingly Wikipedia has no entry on Odierno and Google initial hits date 2003.
Oh and Ricks mentions Odierno is up for promotion and still in Iraq iirc.
Mommybrain @10:03, thank you very much for the welcome. I’ve been following your situation and am so sorry about what you are going through. You’re in my thoughts.
I recommend Stephen Kinzer’s new book Overthrow. It documents America’s toppling of fourteen foreign governments. This clearly written account shows the ignorance, lack of planning and major corporation involvement in the overthrows listed. I have not finished it yet but it certainly gives perspective to the evnts before us.
Giles’ comment about currently popular music seems oddly appropriate when thinking about our major media: “Well, we listened to aggressively cheerful music sung by people chosen for their ability to dance, and we ate cookie dough and talked about boys.”
Larry Johnson’s article on Sibel Edmonds got me reaching for the Buffy clip. This crap has ruined what was a fairly good morning. Not blaming you, Christy, and in fact I should be thanking you for reminding me how much is wrong out there.
Speaking of Buffy, I was getting caught up on this season of Dr. Who and there was Anthony Stewart Head (Giles), playing a headmaster who feeds on his students.
Christy,
What you describe from the Hirsch article is basically the central idea of Ron Suskind’s One Percent Doctrine—the Bush-Cheney Administration uses lots of panicky running around from rooftop to rooftop, as it were, as what appears to be a consciously chosen method of operation, with the inevitable result the kinds of fiascos that Hirsch and the others you have here describe. Perhaps you would consider Suskind’s book for a discussion this fall? I think it’s one of the best for at least understanding the roots of the chaos, if not for actually making “sense” of it.
Anybody ever wonder why we ended up with third stringers – Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Gonzales, Chertoff, Bolton and everybody below when Bush, his partners in crime and those amorphous neocons intended to stage a World-Wide Super Bowl once he got in office? NOBODY ELSE WOULD TAKE THE JOBS. I used to think people were picked for their undying loyalty – how can anyone have undying loyalty to a shadow – or they were picked because they were dumber than George-the-Loser. Changed my mind. NOBODY ELSE WOULD TAKE THE JOBS.
Nothing to add on the lunatic Bush foreign policy (which still has over two years to run!) but one never needs a reason to add some Buffy. Joss goes with anything.