
Or will he only place his foot on the scale in favor of conservative, pro-war incumbent Democrats who blamed and shamed him during the Republicans’ impeachment overreach?
The Connecticut Democratic primary is getting a lot of attention because the strong challenger, Ned Lamont, actually represents a grassroots movement of local Democrats fed up with the clubby insiderism of disloyal Democratic politicians like Joe Lieberman, who never passed up an invitation to cuddle with Sean Hannity on the radio until he faced this primary threat.
Through the years, Lieberman has routinely bashed and undercut Democrats, and he famously wrote in the Wall Street Journal that criticism of the president was inappropriate during a time of war (though no war has ever been declared in Iraq).
But in Hawaii, you may not have heard that the situation is reversed: longtime progressive lion Daniel Akaka faces a strong primary challenge from the more conservative Ed Case, and Akaka needs help. Polling on the race shows a real challenge to Akaka by Case. Akaka voted not guilty on impeachment, and unlike Joe Lieberman, he didn’t feel the need to be a scold before doing it. Can it be you have not heard much about this race because the establishment is more threatened by Lamont’s grassroots insurgency than Congressman Case’s clubby insiderist challenge? Perish the thought!
Who is Ed Case? Why, he’s a mini-Lieberman. Here’s what we can learn from the Honolulu Advertiser about Case’s support for the President’s stay the (collision) course policy in Iraq:
"I think we are collectively doing what we must be doing at this point given the reality of Iraq today," the congressman said. "Not what has been. Not what we wish might have been, but what is. That’s what it’s always been about for me, is reality. Not some fanciful wish list."
[snip]
…The crucial vote on the war was in October 2002, and Akaka, along with U.S. Sen. Daniel K. Inouye and U.S. Rep. Neil Abercrombie, was in the minority as the Senate and House gave President Bush the authorization to use military force if necessary in Iraq. Case was not in Congress at the time but he has said, given what was known, that he would have voted to give the president a military option.
[snip]
…With Iraq in turmoil and the success of the war and the occupation uncertain, Akaka wants the Bush administration to evaluate its foreign policy with the idea of withdrawing American troops as soon as possible.
[snip]
…Case does not want to change course and believes troops can be withdrawn only after the new Iraqi government and security forces have contained the violence that threatens the country’s stability.
[snip]
Case has also voted with Republicans on key tangents to the war, such as making money given to Iraq in the form of loans, the treatment of prisoners, the Patriot Act and withdrawal timetables.
Ed Case is also a lover of American torture at Guantanamo, acording to the Associated Press:
Democratic Rep. Ed Case said Sunday that the Guantanamo prison for terrorists was being run well and did not match allegations the detainees were being abused and tortured.
[snip]
…’I think Gitmo is being operated well and operated in a way that is necessary to the safety and security of our country and in a way that is humane under the circumstances,’ Case said, using the prison’s nickname. ‘The sum total of what I saw does not match the statements by Amnesty International nor by attorneys for some of the detainees.’
[snip]
…Case said the prison had some trouble getting started as it was built from scratch in 2002, but that concerns about the camp had been addressed. He said the prisoners were given good food, health care, and access to lawyers. The interrogations were carefully monitored and the questioning was nowhere close to abusive, he added.
[snip]
…Case said the prison was necessary and believed those who advocate shutting it down are making a ‘naive statement born of ignorance.’
So, if Ed Case is a mini-Lieberman, Akaka seriously deserves local progressive grassroots support, the same way Ned Lamont, the Democratic primary challenger in Connecticut does.
Which brings me to my opening question: will Bill Clinton stump for his loyal, good friend, the incumbent Senator Daniel Akaka? Or is he only interested in stumping for Lieberman, against the grassroots of the party, in the service of Hillary Clinton’s presidential ambitions?
It’s no secret Hillary Clinton is disliked by the netroots. The reasons are her willingness to triangulate against the base on issues like war in Iraq and on silly, symbolic "moral" issues like violence in video games. How Liebermanesque! While Hillary has said she will support the Connecticut nominee coming out of the August 8 primary, she has nevertheless dispatched her husband to stump for Joe.
In fact, her positioning in the party strategically tracks Lieberman’s. Fighting to overcome the image as a crazed liberal pinned on her by right wingers like Rupert Murdoch, Hillary has been attending fundraisers for her benefit by. . . Rupert Murdoch, of all people, and echoing Republican talking points with alarming alacrity. If Lieberman falls, her long cultivated presidential campaign position wthin the party is weakened.
In the wake of Bill Clinton’s involvement in the Connecticut race, a Lieberman win in August will now be seen as a win for the old line Democratic establishment, best represented by Hillary Clinton and her army of DC pollsters and consultants, against the grassroots and netroots. The DC Democrats are thus making common cause against the majority of Americans, and the overwhelming majority of Democrats, who favor withdrawal from Iraq. Yes, that’s right: the Democratic DC establishment is apparently now taking sides against the base of the party in favor of President Bush’s war policies. Is that why Bill and Poppy have become such good buddies? On the other hand, if Bill Clinton will stump for Akaka, then maybe the Clintons are not openly fighting against the party’s rank and file. Maybe.
As strong progressives and as friends of the grassroots, John Kerry and Russ Feingold recently co-authored an editorial in the Honolulu Advertiser in support of Akaka and his positions on Iraq. If you agree with them, volunteer for Akaka: he deserves your active support starting right now, leading up to the September primary. Contact the campaign. Get involved. Then, invite the Big Dog to join you. His response may tell us just a little more about how willing Hillary Clinton is to undercut the party’s loyal base of voters.
(Cross posted at the Huffington Post.)
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Kamehameha!
Pach! Roots!
when’s the primary in Hawaii ? is there an ActBlue page for Akaka?
wow… how is this guy Case getting any traction at all? and with who?
Mahalo
if the Big Dog won’t fly the Pacific to help Senator Akaka, at the minimum he could cut a tape or two for use in radio spots or robocalls …
if Akaka will cover travel and minimal living expenses, I’m sure the Akaka Campaign could get zillions of volunteers …
o/t but this a link near epu land about ned well worth reading. http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenat…..814nichols
i’m thinking big dog isn’t going to help holy joe as much as he will need.
hey *ilson if he is going to do robocalls, he better do a better job than they did with holy joe. very amateurish
I lived in HI over 30 years, when HI was the first state to ratify the ERA and among the first to legalize abortion. Those were very heady times.
I’ve just written an old friend to see if she what she has heard. If she gets back to me tonight I’ll post it. If not, well somehow I’ll pass it on.
rootZ !@
Well Pach, you quite often come up with these interesting angles/reports! Good for you. (ummm…I didn’t pay too much attention to your drag queen post….not my cup of tea, but I bet you’ll understand!)
1. On Akaka….maybe Case shows well due to ex-military support out there? I just don’t know.
2. I’ve written this before…I’m losing alot of faith and allegiance to Bill. I really think, from now until 2008, anything he says or does will be solely based on what he thinks is best for Hillary; instead of what’s best for good democrats. I’m really starting to tune Bill out.
Keep up the good work Pach!
Ghostman
HEY THERE *ILSON- or maybe Pach— what’s the progress on getting Jane the Geek to link the ActBlue community page in a prominent place at FDL? http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica
Pach, I somehow stumbled onto the NetRoots web site and just want to say it’s looking really impressive. Am really looking forward to hearing you announce the lauch. Great work to benefit all of us. Abrazos.
I’ll only support Akaka if he promises to run on the Hawaii For Akaka ticket if he loses the primary.
Average price for regular gasoline 7/27/06 in 50 states and DC
$3.00 plus 19 states
$2.90 plus 22 states
$2.80 plus 10 states
Highest average price: Hawaii $3.365
Lowest average price: South Carolina $2.831
Connecticut at $3.236 remains the third most expensive state for gasoline and is rapidly closing on second place California $3.237 which because of its size will in most cases move prices more slowly.
National average today: $3.006
Highest recorded national average recorded: $3.057 9/5/2005
Oil prices:
Nymex Crude Future $74.65, up $.11
Dated Brent Spot $75.14, up $.23
WTI Cushing Spot $74.54, up $.60
More of the same.
Great post Pach. We need to push for Clinton to play a coherent role. I wish he didn’t involve himself in Democratic primaries, but like it or not, that’s his right.
I expect more of him though, particularly when there’s a very interesting parallel to CT going on in Hawaii (my old stomping ground). The reality though is that his time could best be used in places like Montana, Virginia, and Maryland. Once he crossed onto Joe Lieberman’s stage, though, he opened himself up to the very criticism that you levy here. I hope he has the sense to go stump for Akaka and regain some of my trust.
y’know, Pachacutec, your first two grafs needed some links in order to better establish your valid premise.
just sayin’, there were opportunities to engage the 21st century advantages of modern media that you could have exploited better in paragraphs One and Two of the post.
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Had Enough?
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OT – if any of you are in need of a Hunter rant on Dkos… I do believe he’s outdone himself with:
You Suck
a classic!
EPU’d, but Ned Lamont is always on topic:
” Visitor’s Nation article on Ned Lamont, linked at 6:08 p.m. above, is very good.
‘Lieberman finds himself forced into the Lyndon Johnson role, about right from an ideological standpoint. He’s more conservative than most Democrats, but he’s not Ann Coulter in drag even if Coulter is backing him.’
Is darkblack in the house?”
Here is the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenat…..814nichols
Lost the bold when I cut and pasted.
he’s not Ann Coulter in drag
darkblack?
Most compelling post, Pach
The DC Democrats are thus making common cause against the majority of Americans, and the overwhelming majority of Democrats, who favor withdrawal from Iraq. Yes, that’s right: the Democratic DC establishment is apparently now taking sides against the base of the party in favor of President Bush’s war policies.
To recall the words of Mario Savio – we must throw our bodies on the gears of this machine. Even our sorta-heroes of yore have become stone evil, bought enemies. CTBob, spazeboy, Maura, Jane et al – you are the shock troops in what is the necessary total destruction of vichy dems. They are part and parcel of the Cheney Project for New Insanity Destruction of Everything, and they have been a bigger problem than even Prez Cheney himself since 2k.
IOKIYADINO.
http://www.pollkatz.homestead……age001.gif
“Gasoline UP, Bush DOWN — see for yourself.
Bush Approval and Gasoline Prices” (quote from the pollkatz site)
Eli:
translation?
Hay gang.
Sad to see what how Billary has become a self-protection racket.
translation?
It’s OK If You’re A Democrat In Name Only.
Pach — Bill and Poppy have become good buddies because of the tsunami. Or haven’t you been paying attention?
Pach — Bill and Poppy have become good buddies because of the tsunami. Or haven’t you been paying attention?
It gives me such faith in the human spirit to see how tragedy can bring people together…
The ghosts of those who collected on the steps on the plaza of Sproul Hall had such dreams, and they linger.
Eli: It’s OK If You’re A Democrat In Name Only.
When you pronounce it, it sounds like a Japanese name:
Sen. Iokiyadino, R-Hawaii
I’ll bet Poppy has been nothing but embarrassed about his son.
In light of that expose about Bolton’s refusal to place hisself in harm’s way in Vietnam despite his hawkish views, I was wondering what were Lieberman;s own military experiences, if any, at that time or even recently vis a vis the Iraq war. despite his hawkish views also. Y wonder if you know whether has he even visited the troops that he expects to sacrifice themselves in the name of freedom, Having come from Connecticut myself I can say that the typical Yankee feels no compunction to join the ranks and serve in wars such as the Vietnam or Iraq wars, they understand the futility of it and despite their support will generally never make the personal sacrifice. Lieberman seems a true Uankee in that regard.
I’ve lived in Honolulu for 38 years and we’ve prided ourselves on being progressive Dems. Case is NOT getting much(if any) support from the
electorate. Akaka’s one big problem is his support for drilling for oil in ANWAR,but that probably won’t be enough to hurt him against Case. Too many people calling Case a DINO and he really has done nothing to rebut the charge.Because he can’t! Bush is VERY unpopular here and Case’s only real arguement is ” I’m younger than him,elect me”,which won’t work. But, yes,the Big Dog could help Dan
Pach:
Is DSCC backing Case against Akaka?
I had to go back and reread your post, because it left me with that impression, but I guess you didn’t say that. Still, I wonder. He sounds like their type.
So… is the DSCC supporting Akaka? He *is* an incumbent, after all – that’s gotta count for something.
I’m wondering if Connecticut in the East and Montana in the West are becoming our progressive model states?
There’s a lot to be said for having some visible models that represent our values. If we can showcase a couple of states where grassroots political activity has worked, it will set the stage for other places.
When you pronounce it, it sounds like a Japanese name:
To me it sounds more like something Starbucks might offer…
I’ll bet Poppy has been nothing but embarrassed about his son.
There was a great SNL sketch where Poppy takes Dubya hunting, and can’t quite bring himself to pull the trigger when Dubya runs off to retrieve the kill…
Great post, and a question that needs to be asked.
Eli 39
Instead Poppy is associating with the other side.
Great article that Pete put up on Yahoo about Ned.
OT, did anyone catch Charles Barkley on “PArdon the Interruption” tonight talking about his interest in the governorship of Alabama? He really kicked ass, especially when he talked about the gap between rich and poor. His best line was when he said “you really have to have something wrong with your head” to be a Republican.
Governor Round Mound of Rebound?
The young Joe Lieberman vigorously opposed the Vietnam War and correctly avoided personal participation in that carnage. (Like me)
Chickenhawks loved the war but were too cowardly to risk their ass for their stated beliefs…
The DSCC is, as I understand it, with Akaka. But not with, shall we say, balls? We really don’t want them picking sides in primaries, after all: that’s our job.
Instead Poppy is associating with the other side.
I wonder if Poppy is merely embarrassed that his son is shitting all over the office he once held, or if he also perceives the whole “Fuck you, Dad! I’ll show you!” subtext as well.
“the Democratic DC establishment is apparently now taking sides against the base of the party“
This has always been my beef with Clinton. He kept us out of wars, and the economy did better and all that. But the things he caved on, or compromised away, (telecomm bill, welfare reform, effective terrorism and death penalty act, Iraq sanctions, for instance), helped set the stage for the havoc unleashed once the Bush crowd came to power.
(Oh, and healthcare reform. Shoulda gone all the way with that one.)
The DSCC is, as I understand it, with Akaka. But not with, shall we say, balls?
“An incumbent, yes; but not *our* sort of incumbent.”
*haughty sniff*
palolo lolo @34
Thanks for posting. That’s interesting. I’m a little embarrassed to admit I don’t know much about Sen. Akaka. It always seems to me that of the two senators from Hawaii, Sen. Inouye has the higher profile. I’d love to hear more about what’s going on “on the ground” in HI.
So Pach, it’s nice to see you got that cushy assignment from FDL to go cover the HI action!
*ilson- so, I’ve seen the same in your previous comments re: Lieberman. So, what has changed for Lieberman? Your take?
Eli 45
Probably both.But it sure does seem he would rather be “seen” with Bill than the nasty idiot brat.
neurophius…You don’t want to see Pal Joey in a slinky black cocktail number, now do you?
;>)
JWR 46, what about “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”? I think that was the moment when I kinda went “Uh-oh.” I think it’s helped to legitimize homophobia, and it’s also weakened the military. I’m amazed that they’ll take skinheads, morons, and psychos, but gays are completely unacceptable.
darkblack, we are all at your mercy.
re my 7:11 pm: effective terrorism and death penalty act
Should read: “anti-terrorism and effective death penalty act”, or something. I think that one allowed the execution of minors?
Probably both.But it sure does seem he would rather be “seen” with Bill than the nasty idiot brat.
As Charles Barkley might say, you really have to have something wrong with your head to prefer Dubya’s company to Clinton’s.
Georgie’s little “Fuck you, Dad! I’ll show you!” tantrum sure has left a wake of destruction…
During the last family get together here in Hawaii, Case got a mention from my dad. Case won a lot of points with my family because when he announced his intentions to run for senate, he did so without talking to the local party machine. When interviewed about why he didn’t ask the democratic party about running, Case said that he knew they’d tell him “no” – so he didn’t bother. My extended family thought that showed gumption.
I do have family members that met Akaka years ago in his office here, and were appauled at what came out of his mouth (words beneath a senator).
Any ground Case has gained in this race is really due to a response to the entrenched and corrupt local Democratic machine. This explains gov. Lingle being elected and why she will be re-elected. Many people in the state feel that change is necessary. I hope Case is not the latest evidence of this trend.
Are the neocons the hard ass dads Georgie always wished for?
Are the neocons the hard ass dads Georgie always wished for?
No, that would be Bar.
I stand with Bill Clinton on Dont Ask Dont Tell. It had been policy in the military to hunt out and discharge homosexuals. Clinton in 1993 tried to completely eliminate such discrimination. The military and conservatives fiercely rebelled at such a liberalization. Colin (spit) Powell firmly opposed letting gays serve. Dont Ask, Dont Tell was a compromise crafted to keep the Clinton initiative from completely being shot down. Most civilized nations (including Israel) permit open gays in the armed services. No problems!
neurophius 58
John W. Dean would probably say so.
George W. Bush has a Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy toward sociopaths in his administration.
…the Democratic DC establishment is apparently now taking sides against the base of the party in favor of President Bush’s war policies.
That’s the message that has come out loud and clear over the last three weeks. Lieberman’s people, the DLC, the pundits, etc. have not just opposed Lamont on traditional political grounds. They have instead primarily trashed his supporters and demonized them (us) as a dark and ugly force that has to be stopped. It isn’t Lamont the candidate, it’s the democrats who support him that are the problem, the enemy. We are more of a threat than the GOP. If they had gone after bush and the GOP these last 6 years as hard as they go after us, we would have the WH and congress right now.
Aloha. It’s decent when there is a decent Democratic candidate out there. Because more and more, as a long-time activist and no more a Pollyana, I pretty much feel like the democrats really suck. At least the democrats at the trough there in DC. And all the other little piggies in there sucking with ‘em.
I hope we are sending a clear signal from the tubes of the internets-roots. I am not sucking anymore for those politically posturing losers.
No more Bill or Hill. No more Joe. You suck. No more killing in my name. Basta.
I aggre *ilson, He pushed as far as possible. It will probably take a war with a progressive in command before the next step.
And Clinton has clearly chosen sides. He’s going with the Lieberman wing of the party and giving the big FU to the progressive wing (i.e. anyone to the left of Lieberman on Iraq).
Well, I understand the attempt at marginalization. You have to expect that. Still, I’m beginning to think these kinds of concerns come from an unconscious belief in our own weakness, you know? I’m just sayin’. Anyway, I don’t think Lieberman or Lamont, either one, will make a fart’s worth of difference as the world goes to hell.
Oh yes: that’s a reference to the war that’s all but invisible at this URL and a shocking number of others. And in that context — apparent deference to traditional Democratic support for Israel — I find it excruciatingly ironic that we’re all in a tizzy over being “defeated” by the traditional Democratic establishment (ahem). It makes no damn sense at all that we’re apparently only against the war in Iraq. Any so-called progressive who doesn’t condemn war crimes, no matter who commits them, is someone I don’t have to listen to.
Before this is over, it could be “Bush is to Republicans as Israel is to Democrats.” Or to America. Hell, it already is.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying every flipping blog has to take a stand on the Middle East. I’m just saying that in the overall scheme of things, electing a few more useless Democrats won’t change the course of history. A world united against America will, however. And who will care what Bill Clinton’s doing when gas is $20/gallon?
Me, I’m in the bunker with Billmon.
I know it was a compromise, *ilson, but has it really lived up to expectations? Maybe things have gotten worse since Bush took office (imagine that), but it seems like they’ve purging an awful lot of gays since the Iraqi invasion began, even after they grew increasingly desperate for warm bodies.
Eli – I suspect the gays getting purged are the ones from the Language Institute who speak Arabic languages… I’d almost bet if they are Infantry, they don’t get discharged… hmm – why would that be?
but that’s just a speculation.
John from Llano Quemado:
“that’s a reference to the war that’s all but invisible at this URL and a shocking number of others. And in that context — apparent deference to traditional Democratic support for Israel…”
I think that either John has FDL confused with some other blog, or else he just hasn’t done his homework here…
Eli – I suspect the gays getting purged are the ones from the Language Institute who speak Arabic languages…
I think you’re right. Silly me, for a second there I thought they might value intel…
OH-HO-HO!
Actual intel is their worst enemy!
Actual intel is their worst enemy!
For purposes of selling a useless war, sure. But for purposes of actually *waging* one, intel would be quite handy. Maybe they just object to it on principle.
And to continue – I am just so emotionally lost at beholding the dem reaction to latest Israel/Lebanon – just lost at the spectacle that our country has become, w/utterly no opposition anymore – Please god, bring us $20/gal gas and economic collapse asap, anything, anything to sweep this madness and these shameful madness enablers all to the dustbin of history and then all together to eternal agonizing hell, and real humans back to the stage -
…do I detect a hint of concern?
Eli 73 – I think the whole point of Iraq is to engage in perpetual chaos… if they were actually trying to solve the problem, then reliable intelligence would be useful…
Eli 73 – I think the whole point of Iraq is to engage in perpetual chaos… if they were actually trying to solve the problem, then reliable intelligence would be useful…
This is quite possibly true, although at this point it seems like an electoral liability.
Presumably their calculation is something like:
Chaos = Fear
Fear = Republican Victory!
John of Llano Quemado said that’s a reference to the war that’s all but invisible at this URL
Huh? If you are referring to the Lebanon kerfuffle, you obviously dont even bother to read this URL. The Sainted Billmon is quoted and linked to constantly.
Before you drop in and bless us with your profound insights, try reading what many, many others have written voluminously about already here. OK?
Huummm. “perpetual chaos” sounds like the work of the “Anti-Christ”
to me.
We were friends with Sadaam when we were threatened by the Iranian Revolution which deposed our friend the Shah.
It was always so
We were friends with Iran when we were opposed to Sadaam in Iraq.
It was always so.
We are at war with Iran.
Iran is ruled by religious fanatics.
We have always been at war with Iran.
We are friends with Democratic Iraq.
We have always been friends with Iraq
We are allied with Oceana. We are at war with Eurasia.
It has always been so.
This is our coherrent foreign policy.
Does Akaka have a scorecard?
snicker
Eli 77 – there ya’ go…. doesn’t mean the neos aren’t short sighted though!
I think the plan just ran out of steam and… out of plan…. now they are still playing by the old rules… thus, Iran must become the next ground for chaos… so we pay no attention to Iraq (meanwhile discharging all the Arabic language gays because we STILL don’t want any real intel)
my own cynicism scares me…
We are allied with Oceana. We are at war with Eurasia.
It has always been so.
This is our coherrent foreign policy.
Occupation is Democracy.
I mean “Anti-ChristS”
Intelligence is a lie
Civil War is Freedom.
Top secret betrays intellegent democracy
I think the plan just ran out of steam and… out of plan…. now they are still playing by the old rules… thus, Iran must become the next ground for chaos… so we pay no attention to Iraq (meanwhile discharging all the Arabic language gays because we STILL don’t want any real intel)
I’m still unclear on with what army we would attack Iran. Unless it would be all airstrikes.
Or I guess we could use Israel, or nukes. Either one of those would guarantee a steady stream of convenient terrorist boogeymen until the end of time.
I looked at those Akaka poll numbers (note to self: don’t ever say that quickly). What happened in April? Looks like Akaka’s poll numbers dropped ten points in a month.
Almost looks like he shot a hunting buddy or something.
We can simply redeploy from Iraq
That was the idea all along
Hence the 50 year military bases
boogeymen! scary! scary!
I looked at those Akaka poll numbers (note to self: don’t ever say that quickly).
Suddenly I’m hearing Popeye’s laugh…
Eli – Randy Rhodes says that running the military into the ground was the plan, everything now is according to plan, so that they can sell a nuclear airstrike on Iran.
Say happy birthday to Maura here
http://howardempowered.blogspot.com/
thanks Renee
Eli – Randy Rhodes says that running the military into the ground was the plan, everything now is according to plan, so that they can sell a nuclear airstrike on Iran.
I really hope that never happens, but I can’t escape the conviction that Bush has this checklist of “Cool Preznit Things” that he wants to do before he leaves office…
Here’s a link to how the wacky neoconish theocrattia lovers see Iran and the Iraq war…
Click me but don your tinfoil hat first!
This guy was on Hardball, but since most of us probably avoid Hardball like the plague, you may not have seen it.
a lull as everyone rushes over to sing Happy Birthday to Maura
I’ve still got friends in the military… the Army is pretty much completely shot… already run into the ground – it will take decades for it to recover.
(”Iran blowed up real good. That’ll teach them towelheads to mess with a strong decisive leader like me!”)
Don’t expect a nuclear sales pitch until they have footage from the blast.
Nice post Pach, and I will give money to Akaka, since we need to retain the good incumbant Senators, as well as elect more Democratic ones, in addition to making trouble for bad incumbants.
However, I think you are geting carried away with the grassroots or ‘progressive’ position as advocating something called ‘withdrawal’ which is a meaningless buzzword the opposition wants you to use. And it seems like you are putting words that Akaka wouldn’t want in his mouth. You wrote:
‘overwhelming majority of Democrats, who favor withdrawal from Iraq. Yes, that’s right: the Democratic DC establishment is apparently now taking sides against the base of the party in favor of President Bush’s war policies.’
But the article says:
‘Akaka does not favor the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops’
Is the article wrong? Let me know if it is.
Look, withdrawal now, withdrawal in one Friedman time unit, withdrawal with timeline or withdrawal as goals met… I mean, whatever.
The problem with people like Case and Lieberman and Bush is that they spew buzzwords that sound brave, but mean absolutely nothing, ignore damage to US, while people are getting killed. Rather than withdrawal I would focus on these problems:
‘Case does not want to change course’ (so far the course has been to damage the US military, the US position in the Middle East and kill lots of people. How can you defend staying that course? Oh, well, because you have ‘objectives’?)
[Case] ‘would have voted to give the president a military option.’ and the article then says he thinks that vote included going to Iraq. (Well, that’s a problem. He can’t see how it was a mistake, and over three years later he can’t figure out what it meant. Slow learner, can’t read English.)
[Case] ‘has since said he would likely not have backed intervention solely because former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein “was a bad guy.”‘ (that is, he’s a fool or hypocrite)
‘Case voted for a Republican amendment to a foreign operations bill to block troop withdrawal until U.S. national security and foreign policy goals have been achieved’ (what ARE the $#!@@! goals? And since what we have been doing for the last three years has moved us futher from those goals, how will more of the same get us closer in the future. These fools do not have any objectives, they use the word ‘objective’ to impress the gullible, they have never stated specific objectives. It is a mouthfart, an empty signifier meaning nothing)
Is Murtha for ‘withdrawal’? Webb? I support them. Just as I support candidate who support withdrawal now, in six month, with timetable, etc. I would like to see them in power, have a healthy honest debate and make the best decision about how to handle the Iraq mess.
I don’t think the real issue over the next two years and three months is about specific policy issues, or liberals or progressives against the more conservative. It is about breadking a corrupt, bankrupt, pampered cowardly and completely failed incumbant leadership machine, both Democratic and Republican, kicking them out of power.
Reading that article was surreal and chilling. On Iraq, by dang near everyone’s admission I think from across the spectrum except for BushCo, Akaka has been right on Iraq all the way from the beginning, and Case was wrong. Yet this Case guy, who can’t even use hindsight to his benefit, is considered a serious candidate when Iraq is the main issue of the campaign. How can that be?
But, main message is I think Pach is projecting his own policy preferences re withdrawal from Iraq onto movement that involves larger issues. But I respect Pach’s position. Withdrawal real soon might be the best way to preserve US from total failure. I am not sure to be honest.
Well, since there’s a bit of discussion now about Israel, I’ll add this:
There’s an AP report from about an hour ago quoting Gillerman, Israeli ambassador to UN. He says 1) Israel now opposes any UN peacekeeping force to be placed into Lebanon, and 2) Israel will NOT agree to cooperate with the UN into the investigation of the airstrike on the UN observer post.
Talk about painting oneself into a corner! geez.
Ghostman
Daniel Akaka:
Short bio and Recent votes:
http://projects.washingtonpost…..s/a000069/
Important votes per WaPo:
http://projects.washingtonpost…..key-votes/
His wiki article cites a Time ranking as one of the 5 worst Senators largely because he has not sponsored any major pieces of legislation. This said, would you want to take credit for the Patriot Act or one of Bush’s tax cuts for the rich bills?
Eli:
That’s a strong deciderish leader…
neurophius at 7:30: Yeah, that seemed to be a cut-and-paste generic “concern” comment, with only the barest hint of a connection to FDL.
I’m still unclear on with what army we would attack Iran.
Eli
Russia still needs a warm water port
This is too funny: God’s trying to hit Holy Joe with a lightening bolt
Pay attention to the comments – lol
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Hi Renee!
fuck you Reid, Pelosi, Boxer
you are whores and your shame and evil is no less than Cheney shame and evil
Ghostman – it seems like Israel is usually a picture of discipline when doling out the punishment… that seems to be seriously missing these days…
That’s a strong deciderish leader…
He plays by decider house rules.
Clinton’s support for Lieberman is not surprising. It is a political move to advance the case of Hillary for 2008, by demonstrating to conservatives and republicans that he (and his wife) are in the “center” and they (she) deserve (s) their votes in 2008. Clinton does not care about Lieberman. He only cares about Hillary’s political career.
Pete @ 8:
Thanks for sharing the AWESOME Ned Lamont article. It made me feel all warm and fuzzy to read it! :) When Ned Lamont wins the Senate seat in November, Connecticut is going to have an amazing Senator. Maybe they can clone him. We need two of him for California.
sherocket at 7:45: I’ve heard Randi’s rants to that and similar subjects, but I think she gives them too much credit. Just because they never admit they’re wrong (even to themselves) doesn’t mean the outcome is what they intended. For example, I doubt they ever bothered to learn enough about how the military actually works to realize it would be destroyed in their perpetual war.
john in sacramento
Hi! I promised myself I’d go to bed early a couple hours ago. If I stay up until the Daily Show comes on, there’s no way I will be in bed before midnight.
If people could share the link to Maura’s birthday thread on other blogs where people know her, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks.
http://howardempowered.blogspot.com/
Ghostman, that sounds just like W. That corner is getting crowded.
The belief that killing terrorists will rid the world of terrorism is so fucking simplistic and stupid that I can hardly understand it. Is that what they call a mission? We are certainly doomed when men think that killing “all” terrorists is the antidote to terrorism. Democracy is on the march, right W? What’s going to happen when he finally realizes that he is superfluous in the global scheme of things?
Department of I Told You So-
Via Glenn Greenwald, here is what Howard Dean had to say about Iraq before we invaded. (from a speech Dean gave on February 17, 2003)
“I believe it is my patriotic duty to urge a different path to protecting America’s security: To focus on al Qaeda, which is an imminent threat, and to use our resources to improve and strengthen the security and safety of our home front and our people while working with the other nations of the world to contain Saddam Hussein. . . .
Had I been a member of the Senate, I would have voted against the resolution that authorized the President to use unilateral force against Iraq – unlike others in that body now seeking the presidency.
To this day, the President has not made a case that war against Iraq, now, is necessary to defend American territory, our citizens, our allies, or our essential interests.
The Administration has not explained how a lasting peace, and lasting security, will be achieved in Iraq once Saddam Hussein is toppled.
I, for one, am not ready to abandon the search for better answers.
As a doctor, I was trained to treat illness, and to examine a variety of options before deciding which to prescribe. I worried about side effects and took the time to see what else might work before proceeding to high-risk measures. . . .
We have been told over and over again what the risks will be if we do not go to war.
We have been told little about what the risks will be if we do go to war.
If we go to war, I certainly hope the Administration’s assumptions are realized, and the conflict is swift, successful and clean. I certainly hope our armed forces will be welcomed like heroes and liberators in the streets of Baghdad. I certainly hope Iraq emerges from the war stable, united and democratic. I certainly hope terrorists around the world conclude it is a mistake to defy America and cease, thereafter, to be terrorists.
It is possible, however, that events could go differently, and that the Iraqi Republican Guard will not sit out in the desert where they can be destroyed easily from the air.
It is possible that Iraq will try to force our troops to fight house to house in the middle of cities – on its turf, not ours – where precision-guided missiles are of little use. . . .
There are other risks. Iraq is a divided country, with Sunni, Shia and Kurdish factions that share both bitter rivalries and access to large quantities of arms.
Iran and Turkey each have interests in Iraq they will be tempted to protect with or without our approval. . . .
Some people simply brush aside these concerns, saying there were also a lot of dire predictions before the first Gulf War, and that those didn’t come true.
We have learned through experience to have confidence in our armed forces – and that confidence is very well deserved.
But if you talk to military leaders, they will tell you there is a big difference between pushing back the Iraqi armed forces in Kuwait and trying to defeat them on their home ground.
There are limits to what even our military can do. Technology is not the solution to every problem.”
110, oldcoastie: yep. And with our linkage to the Israeli position in this conflict, world opinion against USA will only sink deeper. Not at all good.
Ghostman
You know what, can we just drop the Hillary BS?
I learned something from that Nation article about Corliss Lamont being Ned’s uncle. I knew he was a notable champion of civil liberties during the McCarthy Red Scare years — I hope young Ned can be so outstanding in defense of American liberties!
wesgpc’s votinglinks #102
Akaka voted both for the Kerry Amendment 4442 which mandated a withdrawal of most troops from Iraq within a year and for the Democratic Establishment Amendment sponsored by Levin 4320 which gave no timetable.
Redshift – I have not made up my mind on this issue. On the one hand – how could things get so bad without it being on purpose? On the other hand – these people aren’t nearly competent enough to bring of a scheme of this magnitude.
So, I go back and forth on it.
Hugh @ 7:51 pm (#104) Thanks for the links. Nothing jumps out at me as an explanation for Akaka’s sudden dip in the polls. There were some votes on immigration policy about that time, but that’s about the only thing that would have had much of an effect on Hawaii, AFAICT.
Redshift – I have not made up my mind on this issue. On the one hand – how could things get so bad without it being on purpose? On the other hand – these people aren’t nearly competent enough to bring of a scheme of this magnitude.
*If* it ever comes out that the neocons, or Republicans in general, are deliberately milking terrorism so they can create a state of perpetual fear that keeps them in perpetual power, they should all be tried and executed. It’s that serious.
Whatever the reputation thomas ricks may have, he gave some pretty compelling information about how the war in Iraq evolved from the summer of ‘03 forward on Charlie Rose last night. He lays it out from the military perpective and it all boils down to the people in charge ignoring information that could have made a difference because of their ignorance and blind allegiance to a pre-fabricated goal. The military is forever compromised in a lot of different ways.
*If* it ever comes out that the neocons, or Republicans in general, are deliberately milking terrorism so they can create a state of perpetual fear that keeps them in perpetual power, they should all be tried and executed. It’s that serious.
that is it, really. The danger is so great that it becomes imperative to take action just in case that is what is really going on.
- so stop thinking about how art works and what words mean and writing poems about pigeons until, until, hopefully until sometime when things are better -
ps- I used a tag correctly!
I think the neocons are very agile at tossing a grenade, standing back, seeing what the damage is and then exploiting that damage to their own advantage…
nice going on closing the tag, sherocket!
Will Lieberman Oppose John Bolton?
Another vote that tells the country what kind of senator you are and in what direction you want to take the country.
db @ 129 – my guess is No, he won’t oppose Bolton…
Eli – If it ever comes out, or if it’s ever proven? No doubt they’ve been milking the fear-factor for all it’s worth. But politics being what it is, I doubt this admin will ever be held accountable for more than collosal incompetence.
(BTW, I tend toward the notion that yes, they *are* stirring the pot, and not just reacting to the heat.)
w00t!
OK Kiddo, I live for the day that Sproul Plaza is resurrrected in full motion.
*If* it ever comes out that the neocons, or Republicans in general, are deliberately milking terrorism so they can create a state of perpetual fear that keeps them in perpetual power, they should all be tried and executed. It’s that serious.
I’m sorry, what do you mean? Isn’t it obvious that that is exactly what they’ve been doing?
But politics being what it is, I doubt this admin will ever be held accountable for more than collosal incompetence.
I have my doubts that they’ll ever be held accountable for even that.
?Any official Dem support of Akaka?
I rec’d this link in an e-mail statement of support for both Akaka (HI) & Sherrod Brown (OH) for Senate, from Sen. Ted Kennedy.
http://www.actblue.com/page/kennedycandidates/
“Last week we saw the chaos in the Middle East continue — and expand. The escalating conflict in Lebanon and the news of 6,000 civilian casualties of Iraq’s civil war in the past two months underscore the grave consequeces of failed Republican leadership. A rubber-stamp Congress has allowed a reckless president to bog down 127,000 of our troops in the middle of a nightmare — and America needs Democratic leadership and courage to bring them home.
“Senator Dan Akaka of Hawaii and Congressman Sherrod Brown of Ohio had the courage to say no to the Bush Administration’s misguided war. Next year in Washington, they can help provide the key votes to finally hold this Administration accountable.
“Making that happen, though, means more than hoping things go our way. Sherrod and Dan need the support of Democrats everywhere, and that’s why I’m asking our community to pitch in.
“If you’re ready to hold this irresponsible Republican administration accountable for its failed leadership, you can help significantly by making a contribution to them today:
http://www.tedkennedy.com/kennedycandidates
“I’ve worked with Dan Akaka in the Senate for 16 years. I trust his instincts, but even more than that, I admire his ability and his hard work for Hawaiians and all Americans.
“From the first drumbeat of the president’s march to war, Dan warned about the shaky evidence for the Republican case for war. He joined me, and 21 others, in refusing to give President Bush a blank check in Iraq. He clearly foresaw that President Bush had no strategy to win the peace — a prediction that has sadly come true with the mounting casualties and danger of all-out civil war.
“Representing his constituents in Ohio, Rep. Sherrod Brown saw the same looming disaster. He spoke out and worked intensely in the House to stop the Republican rush to war. He remembered that in 2002, President Bush told Americans that victory means having an exit strategy. He demanded the president answer questions about an exit strategy for our courageous young men and women in Iraq. And once our troops were committed, Brown fought tirelessly to ensure they had necessary body armor for a combat zone.
“Four years later, Republicans still have no exit strategy from Iraq for our troops. What we need now is an exit strategy for Republicans from Congress.
“That starts with electing Sherrod Brown to the Senate — and making sure that Dan Akaka stays in the Senate. We need both of them standing with us, and against the Republicans’ failed leadership. It’s time to do our part — so please contribute to them today:
http://www.tedkennedy.com/kennedycandidates
“In these troubled times, America needs great public servants like Dan Akaka and Sherrod Brown more than ever. Even when millions of trusting Americans accepted the president’s case, Dan and Sherrod stood up bravely against the rush to war in Iraq.
“They had enough courage to speak the truth. We need that courage now, as the Middle East continues to fall apart. We need Dan and Sherrod — and other leaders with foresight and honesty — in Washington, working to bring our troops home.
“Together we can help make that happen. Please contribute today:
http://www.tedkennedy.com/kennedycandidates
“Thank you,
Senator Edward M. Kennedy”
Eli – If it ever comes out, or if it’s ever proven? No doubt they’ve been milking the fear-factor for all it’s worth. But politics being what it is, I doubt this admin will ever be held accountable for more than collosal incompetence.
I’m talking about smoking-gun memos where some hair-on-fire anti-terrorist go-getter like Richard Clarke gets shot down by someone like Cheney saying, “Don’t be silly; terrorism is very good for us, and we can’t afford to eliminate it.”
This would, of course, never happen (and if any such conversations took place, I assume they would have been strictly verbal, no paper trail). The best we could hope for would be to hear it from the disgruntled hair-on-fire anti-terrorist go-getter.
But deliberately fanning the flames of terrorism, and putting Americans at risk to feed your lust for power, well, that would be treason.
Yeah, I thought they were already doing this. We are so due for a total victory!
Late Nite is up.
I’m sorry, what do you mean? Isn’t it obvious that that is exactly what they’ve been doing?
“Milking” was probably a poor choice of words – I meant to convey the idea of active *encouragement* of terrorism. They’ve certainly been doing that, but I don’t think it can be proven that it’s intentional rather than incompetence and childish tough-guy posturing.
James Buchanan will be forever grateful to George Bush for bumping him up one notch in the rankings of American Presidents by historians. Now Bush will be remembered as the worst president ever.
#121 Hugh: that is true, but the article portrays and quotes him as not being for ‘immediate withdrawal’ or having a set timetable set in his mind. If the quotes in the article that Pach linked to are accurate, then his vote for the Kerry amendment would have to be considered a protest vote. I wouldn’t know how else to square the two. So, my concerns stand.
sorry lost in my own little world of absolute rage and heartache tonight at what these monsters have done – and they’ve barely even started on their unchecked death dealing criminal insanity – nukes on Iran and martial law comin, I hate saying such negative things but does anybody doubt it – I just want to hold everyone I love, hold and kiss them – this world we know, they’re going to blow it to hell very soon, very different awful new world comin, Cheney is quite possibly the most evil thing to ever have lived on the earth.
I suggest we not advocate the execution of anyone here, even in a hypothetical. Glenn Greenwald has spent a lot of effort, at some personal risk, to take on certain rhetoric on the right-wing blog side, and I think we should not complicate that task.
*ilson 7:23:
Here’s why I don’t:
(*ilson 7:23)
So, Clinton’s DADT was wrong, right?
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Had Enough?
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my guess is No, he won’t oppose Bolton…
Someone should ask joe…if he ever comes out from hiding under Barbara Boxer’s skirt.
Normally he would not and he did not in the past. If he does, it shows he is craven and trying to hide who he is from the voters. If he doesn’t, it shows what his vision is.
Democrats should start taking meaninful positions on votes like this to let America know they hear loud and clear that the country wants a change is direction, a change in vision, a change it priorities.
with that said – keep hope alive :)
goodnight loves
I suggest we not advocate the execution of anyone here, even in a hypothetical.
I did say *tried* and executed, at least… But perhaps I overreact to having my patriotism impugned by people who are almost certainly traitors themselves.
‘night, Sharkbabe.
my comment apparently stuck in moderation? Yet it’s visible to me. Did it get okayed or not?
From the comments I saw, it seemed some folks were wondering why there wasn’t more support for Akaka.
Ted Kennedy’s support couldn’t sound more genuine. And I was delighted to see he supports Sherrod Brown for Senate (from OH, running agnst Mike DeWine). As an Ohioan who WAS represented by Brown for many years, till repubs. gerry-mandered him out of our territory, I can testify personally, he’s worthy of PLENTY support also!
Please try out the link provided in the Kennedy mailing. Seems to work o.k. for me.
If the little “Your Comment is Awaiting Moderation” tag I see next to my name in my posting at 8:17 is current status, how come I see the posting when I refresh my own page?
I may have read the thread too quickly, but I couldn’t find a single reference to an actual poll showing head-to-head results between Akaka and Case. And like another reader upstream, I am curious about a real answer to the question of why Akaka’s approval dropped 16 points in just a couple of months.
So I have to ask. Is Akaka really in danger of losing to Case, or is this just a bootstrap to another attack on Bill, Hillary and the DSCC?
sharkbabe –Hang in there. I’m recalling your earlier comment (and Oklahoma kiddo’s), it might be helpful to recall that when Mario Savio said, “some times the operation of the machine become so odious that you have to throw your body on the gears and grind it to a halt, ” a group of citizens/students did just that, metaphorically speaking. And ever since, there has been free speech on the steps of Sproul Hall. Progress happens when folks speak out against stupidity, prejudice and evil.
Ah, yes, Ed Case…. As part of an organization called the “New Democrats Coaliltion”, he sent a letter to Denny Hastert asking that when the morally repugnant Bankruptcy Bill came to the House, that it be brought to a vote in the shortest time possible. That’s my boy!!! I wrote him a letter chastising him, and he replied with a letter full of Republican talking points and straw men. Believe me, he should be running on the R ticket.
RE: Poll drop in April… I think that it was about that time that Time magazine ran a hit piece of sorts on Akaka… does Ed’s last name sound familiar? Meet brother Steve, of AOL Time/Warner fame.
I was at a luncheon with Senator Akaka last Sunday-his age worries me, and he’s not much of an orator, but he’s almost always voted the way that I would like him to vote, and I can tell you, he is one of the most decent people that I have ever met, full of aloha, and with the best interests of the people of Hawaii in mind. Full disclosure, though, his son, Danny Jr. is a close friend of mine.
Teddy— dont blame Bill for DADT — he tried for the real thing but the damn conservatives beat him down — DADT is the result of Colin Powell and Sam Nunn and the entire GOP, not Clinton.
On “The Young Turks” Radio Show, Senator Dick Durbin says the Bolton bilibuster needs only one more vote to succeed…
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
Where’s Joe when democrats need him? Hiding under someone’s skirt, no doubt.
Someone needs to ask him where he stands on this defining vote.
Eli — I share with your frustration at both the hypocrisy and the attemt to rob you and us of the right to be called patriots. You don’t deserve that.
Somedays, after reading the latest dreadful news and our leader’s contribution to it, one can’t help but wish that one of those Kansas tornado’s would pick up Dorothy’s house and send it crashing down on . . . well, you get the picture. But then I read Glen and . . .
I hear ya, scarecrow. I’m usually a lot less extreme, but it really would be an incredibly serious offense.
I am so EPUd, but just wanted to say; great post. Akaka wasn’t on my radar. (Hawaii. Blue State. No worries, I thought.) I am glad Pach is bringing attention to this race, and challenging El Perro Grande to go help.
Eli – I think of you as extremely clever and funny. No offense. (and I take your point)
Aw, thanks, scarecrow. You’re a better man than I am.
Pach — sorry, should have said earlier I think this is a helpful post and reminder of other important races and how they’re connected. Thanks for the update.
OTOH, exactly how did you get such a cushy assignment? My daughter’s on the big island and loves it there.
4lg–good to see you here. My regards to Mr. Plushy.
I’m not in Hawaii. I’m home working full time so I can eat, doing politics on the side!
wesgpc’s votinglinks #142
Only 13 Democrats voted for Kerry’s Amendment with a timetable and they were all pretty liberal. The acceptable Democratic protest vote was the Levin Amendment.
Pach — oops, my mistake. Should have said, “since you’re working so hard, how come they don’t give some cushy assignment in Hawaii?”
“The first time somebody you know dies, the first thing you ask yourself is, ‘Well, what did he die for?’ ”
These are just a few words from the #1 most emailed story from the WaPo. From soldiers own words the truth about the senseless of it all. The title “waiting to be blown up” The story about the election is the same-How much longer do we allow the madness to continue?How long do we allow supportive incumbents to surrender their oversight for a payoff of pork?
case is i think the brother of the spook who founded aol.
If the lawn signs are any indication, Akaka is doing fine. I just got back from vacation on Oahu, drove all over the island, and don’t remember seeing many Case signs at all. Akaka, on the other hand, was everywhere.
Case is no leader; he’s milquetoast. He’s been a Lieberman supporter since he first went to Washington D.C. He is a mini-Lieberman. While there are a few issues that Akaka supports (e.g., drug war, oil drilling in Alaska), he stood up against the invasion of Iraq. I had not heard about Case’s position on GITMO, but that’s just perfect.
Clinton probably needs to relax a little, get some sun and play some golf and help his old buddy Akaka.
Eli! #111
In an effort to determine why Akaka’s popularity is fading so badly, I understand that many may not be happy with his recent proposals that would allow native Hawaiians to govern themselves in the same manner as American Indians. According to the National Review, which is not my ordinary source for news, Akaka’s problems may be related to an acknowledgment they claim he made to NPR that the proposed legislation would allow Hawaii’s native polulation to secede.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/….._n14935833
The Akaka bill failed by a few votes. It’s a highly contentious bill out here (I’ve lived in Hawai’i for 28 years now), with the pols for it, most of the non-Hawaiian population unsure about it, and the Hawaiian population split.
Case is an ambitious 50-year-old guy whose whole platform seems to be “Sen. Akaka is too old; he might die in office and then our Republican governor will appoint a fellow Republican to replace him.” It’s not an idle fear, but much of the local Democratic party is offended. This is very much a society which reveres its elders, and Case’s approach is seen as disrespectful.
There is one element to the Case challenge to Akaka that is seldom mentioned, especially in the national press, and it is one that Case mentions freely when he talks one-on-one about his candidacy. The Democratic Party in Hawaii is corrupt in the way that any political party becomes when it is in unchallenged power for too long, and the Dems have virtually run Hawaii since WWII. Akaka is part of that good-old-boy Dem network in Hawaii and Case is running to, supposedly, try to break that up. It is the reason Lingle, former Mayor of Maui County, won the governorship as a Republican and there is now no real Dem candidate of any worth running for governor now.
That said though, Case is a disaster. As has been pointed out he is Lieberman in a Gentile suit and is far too supportive of corporations and the Iraq debacle, with unclear but scary views on Social Security. He is most definitely a DLC/Republican-lite Democrat. I’d love to shake up the Dem establishment in Hawaii (where I live) by voting for new blood but Case ain’t it.
Akaka didn’t help himself by making his entire tenure lately about his Native Hawaiian bill and allowing himself to be manipulated like a playtoy by Republicans who promise him the moon about his bill just to get his vote and then renege. He’s Charley Brown to the Republican’s Lucy and his bill is the football.
Sadly, the choice isn’t great and Akaka isn’t the best we can do but I’ll hold my nose and vote for Akaka in the primary because Case frankly scares the shit out of me.
Case’s “vote for me, I’m younger” campaign is actually more nuanced than that. His ads make no reference at all to policies, beliefs, or issues. Instead they frame his campaign as a way to “secure a transition in representation”, although I’m not sure those are the actual words in the ads.
The implication is that since both our current senators are older, we need to send someone younger in to learn at the knee of the most senior senator. Even though it’s unlikely that would actually happen, the combination of imagery and phraseology (is that a word?) are actually pretty persuasive. People are led to visualize Dan Inoye personally tutoring Case in the ins and outs of Washington.
Akaka’s ads, on the other hand, make a central point of his views on the war and occupation of Iraq, and how much it’s costing us in both blood and money – for what?
For an informed and/or rational, intelligent voter, there is no comparison. Akaka wins hands down. But there’s the rub. It is an unfortunate fact that most people are not informed, and most of them are of at most average intelligence. And let’s not get started on “rational”.
I’m a little concerned that Case has a chance. There are more people than you might realize who are susceptible to the fact-free argument Case is using. I’ve personally met people here who previously voted for Akaka and were buying it. His ads are actually pretty persuasive on an emotional level if you don’t know anything about the candidates. And unfortunately a lot of people know little or nothing substantial about the candidates. And react to messages largely on an emotional level. You see where I’m going with this. Case is courting the ignorant and easily led. It would be a mistake to underestimate the effectiveness of his campaign.
I’m gonna vote for Akaka, so he has at least one vote, but … if you have something to spare, you might consider sending something to the Akaka campaign. If only to help prevent the election of the Joe Lieberman of Hawaii.
Aloha!
Sigh. Hawaii’s political scene is a frustrating one since, as others have noted, the Democratic machine is very entrenched and very corrupt. I remember as far back as the 80s, there being an attitude of frustration and dissatisfaction with the Democrats that was tempered by the Republicans always looking like as worse option. Hawaii Democrats never seemed to pick up on that signal, however, and things seemed to become even more corrupt and more of an old boys network and people are so desperate to shake that up that they’re willing to consider a Republican candidate.
I don’t know Akaka’s record so well for myself, but I know the attitude I grew up hearing about Akaka saw him as a seat warmer who was best suited for entertaining constituents who visit the Capitol.
OTOH, what little I can remember about Ed Case (I left my home state 6 years ago) are a vague negative feeling that tells me a seatwarmer is preferable to him.
Hawaii voters want some real progressives, because there’s a feeling that the corruption and cronysm has put the state on a downwards spiral but they know that Republicans don’t represent them either. Unfortunately, the state Democratic party has refused to give them that option and they’re willing to turn to DINOs and Republicans.
RE: Poll drop in April… I think that it was about that time that Time magazine ran a hit piece of sorts on Akaka… does Ed’s last name sound familiar? Meet brother Steve, of AOL Time/Warner fame.
I was at a luncheon with Senator Akaka last Sunday-his age worries me, and he’s not much of an orator, but he’s almost always voted the way that I would like him to vote, and I can tell you, he is one of the most decent people that I have ever met, full of aloha, and with the best interests of the people of Hawaii in mind. Full disclosure, though, his son, Danny Jr. is a close friend of mine.
It’s cousin, not brother, and if Ed had the power to get TIME to do a hatchet piece on anyone, we would not be here having this conversation. Decent and full of Aloha for sure, and son Danny is a great chanter, but why won’t he debate Ed? It just seems evasive to me; I wonder if he’s well.