
When I went to Sweet Rexie’s, a woman-owned small business in Norwalk, to see Barbara Boxer and Joe Lieberman yesterday, I expected her to endorse him. I didn’t expect her to call him "Sir Galahad."
At the candy store, a small group of Lieberman supporters was outnumbered by a throng of press with notebooks and cameras. One very sweet protester with a home-made sign stood outside decrying not just the war but the "cronyism" that brought Senator Boxer here to stump for Joe. She, like I, was stunned that Boxer, whose courageous efforts to stand up to the reckless Bush administration have time and again been stymied and undermined by Joe Lieberman, would choose to come here to prop up his candidacy.
Lieberman and Boxer arrived to anemic applause and a crush of cameras. The Sweet Rexie’s hosts were great, and the owner of the business was one of the first speakers, talking about the importance of supporting women small business owners.
CTBob took full video of the speeches, so I’m not presenting a full transcript here, just my impressions of what was said. Joe Lieberman then spoke, reflecting on how far women have come in the world and how great it is that women have taken their rightful place in society. He mused that if his mother Marcia (who died last year) had been part of a later generation, she would have been President. He stressed his strong friendship with Boxer and the mutual friendship of their spouses.
When Senator Boxer spoke, she talked about how she was elected during the "Year of the Woman", the same year Bill Clinton was elected. She said that the Democratic women Senators classify their male Democratic colleagues into three categories: Friends, Supporters, and Sir Galahads. Boxer called Joe Lieberman a "Sir Galahad" and complimented him for his support for environmental protection and choice and other issues important to women.
It really stunned me that Boxer would call Lieberman a "Sir Galahad". After all, he had not only let her down but actively worked against her most vociferous and passionate efforts related to election protection, opposition to Condoleezza Rice and other Bush appointees, and just about everything related to this horrible war in Iraq.
When Boxer and Lieberman then invited questions from the crowd, the first one came from a reporter who asked about Boxer’s opposition to the war. Her answer to this question shone a new light on the "Sir Galahad" comment. She reflected that while she and Lieberman disagree on the war in Iraq, they can come together and agree on other issues. For example, she said, Lieberman helped to pass her bill related to mental health care for active servicemembers and those returning from Iraq who need mental health care. The bill, she said, would prevent someone with PTSD from being returned to the battlefield. Boxer said that Lieberman helped to corral his pro-war colleagues while she gathered support from her anti-war allies.
As she was speaking, I had to wonder whether Boxer was oblivious to the irony here — she was praising Lieberman for standing up to help our troops who have suffered mental illness as a result of the war in Iraq, a war that he relentlessly cheerleads for and supports wholeheartedly to this day, despite the lack of substantive progress and the toll in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries, both physical and mental.
The idea that a woman Senator, who I had previously considered so strong and courageous, would consider Lieberman her "knight in shining armor" for such a comparatively paltry deed was stunning to me. Supporting mental health care for our soldiers is the least a cheerleader of the war in Iraq can do. At best, it puts Lieberman in the "not a monster" category, not the "knight in shining armor" category.
At that moment, it seemed to me to illustrate how little progress women have made in the Senate. Lieberman has suggested repeatedly that Democrats who oppose the war are undermining our national security and undermining the future of the party. However chummy they and their spouses may be in private, in public Lieberman has essentially undercut Boxer’s authority and questioned her patriotism for criticizing Bush. Yet here she was praising him effusively, calling him "Sir Galahad". I couldn’t help but think it analagous to a woman whose spouse badmouths her, undermines her in public, cheats on her, but buys her flowers every once in a while, so she tells her friends he is romantic.
The second question from the assembled group came from CTBob, who asked Boxer about whether she still supports censuring Bush. At this point, Lieberman’s handlers must have realized they weren’t going to be getting softballs from the throng with cameras, so they abruptly cut off the questions and began to hustle the two Senators out the door.
CTBob got out to the sidewalk before them, so he was able to continue filming. I walked alongside Boxer and Jennifer Medina, a New York Times reporter who was asking Boxer about her opposition to the Senate bill that would criminalize family members and other caring adults who might help minors cross state lines to terminate their pregancies. Since so many women have been dismayed by Boxer’s support for Lieberman given his unconscionable comments about EC for rape victims, I asked her what she thought of his position.
I was very surprised when she snapped at me while I was asking the question, not letting me finish. I assumed she knew about the issue and was stunned when she said that Joe Lieberman never said that. When I tried to say that Lieberman was very clear in his opposition to requiring all emergency rooms to offer EC, she chided me for interrupting her (although she set the tone by interrupting me) and then went on to mangle Lieberman’s position, saying something like he just wanted hospitals to walk rape victims next door to another hospital, a really bizarre answer. I tried to tell her that Catholic and non-Catholic hospitals in CT are not "next door" to each other (as CTBob’s helpful maps show) but she again snapped at me for interrupting her (which I did because what she was saying was utter bullshit – he meant hospitals should walk rape victims next door? Huh?)
I’m not sure I’d characterize my exchange with Boxer as a meltdown on her part. I do think, though, that she’s taken on Joe Lieberman’s imperious tone and approach to this primary. Joe Lieberman’s entire campaign has been characterized by his palpable anger that any Democrats would dare to question him and force him to earn his nomination. He ran commercials saying he wanted to listen to Connecticut voters, but then he never held any public events or open forums at all. When I tried to talk to him at a bar about my dismay that he will run as an independent if he loses, he called it a "set-up" and he called me a "plant". So much for listening.
Boxer, too, could have taken my question as an opportunity to say that she understands the concerns that women have had with Lieberman’s position on "principled" reasons to deny EC to rape victims. She could have said that she had heard from many women who were upset about it and she understands why they’d be concerned, but that she had talked to Joe and found out that his position was more complicated than how he had been quoted (or something). Instead, seemed peeved that I’d even dare to bring it up at all. She later snapped at CTBob when he tried to ask a follow-up, saying Bob had "misread" Joe’s position. So let’s recap, from the New Haven Register:
Lieberman said he believes hospitals that refuse to give contraceptives to rape victims for "principled reasons" shouldn’t be forced to do so. "In Connecticut, it shouldn’t take more than a short ride to get to another hospital," he said.
How is that open for interpretation? What are the "principled" reasons to deny care to a rape victim? Does Barbara Boxer really think that Joe Lieberman’s position here is that Catholic Hospitals are going to start a "Sinner Shuttle" to take rape victims around town to find contraception that they are too "principled" to dispense themselves?
Call me crazy, but with all the criticism Boxer has gotten on FDL and DailyKos about Lieberman and the "short ride" comment, I thought she’d actually want to take the question. If she took the time to listen to our concerns and then had a real exchange about it (rather than shutting us down and rushing away) she might have earned a lot of respect from people who are wondering why she is doing what she is doing. Instead she was peeved and dismissive and essentially told us to shut our traps and do what NARAL and Planned Parenthood tell us to do.
Senator Boxer is one of the best Democrats in the Senate and one of our strongest women voices in Congress. She’s so much more progressive than just about everyone else in the Senate, and her support for Lieberman does not erase all the good that she has done or nullify her status as a great leader.
Yet I left my encounter with her yesterday feeling sad, sad that women have apparently made so little progress in politics that we apparently need not only to thank Lieberman for the scraps he throws us, but to call him a knight as well.
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JANE!
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Maura in da HOUSE!
I’m telling you Jane, Politics is just like The Sopranos You can cut the omerta with a knife.
Sure, by rights Boxer should hate Joe Liberman. But you know what?
She hates YOU more!
She hates anyone willing an able to challenge the status quo and none of us should ever forget it.
Senator Boxer is my senator, and today I received my official letter from her office trying to explain why she is stumping for Holy Joe, and that she understand that this is greatly disappointing to many of us (her constituents).
The letter did not explain why if he’s such a great supporter of so many of the causes that she champions, why he goes on national TV and radio every chance he gets to run down fellow Dems like herself.
I opened up my copy of the JI this morning, and all the opinions and editorials were critical of Bush and his administration. I turned the page, and every letter that was not about little league was a republican whining about how we shouldn’t speak out against the war and we should support our prez. I wanted to ralph! Journal Inquirer has a webpage, and takes letters there. We should send them some good ones!
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Now for your Orwellian thought of the day, courtesy of the Mashing Massge Monkey himself, The Great Decider, George W. Bush:
“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace. ” George W. Bush, (June 18, 2002, speech)
-GSD
‘ear!
“Friends, Supporters, and Sir Galahads”?
Obviously, a supporter is not as close as a friend. Is a Sir Galahad one step down from a supporter? Didn’t Sir Galahad seduce Queen Guinivere when King Arthur was away? Seems to me a Sir Galahad could be the kind of guy who’s patronizingly supportive but clueless about women politicians.
Sir Galahad. OK, in that case, I’m Audrey Hepburn.
please keep asking the questions Maura. you provide a breath of fresh air that i wish reporters would emmulate
Great work, Maura – hang in there.
Not a sweet tooth in the house yesterday. What irony.
Yet I left my encounter with her yesterday feeling sad, sad that women have apparently made so little progress in politics that we apparently need not only to thank Lieberman for the scraps he throws us, but to call him a knight as well.
By the way, Maura, this is absolutely brilliant. I just wish it weren’t do damn true.
thanks *ilson
Maura steps up again! Thanks!
Very disappointing behavior from Sen. Boxer. Why doesn’t the Lieberman campaign engage those with questions instead of acting like they are all “protesters?” And what is wrong with being a protester? Wouldn’t it be more productive to engage people in conversations instead of shutting them out and acting like they’re just rude to question received wisdom? kudos to you Maura, for your respective questioning of the senators . . .and more so for keeping your temper when they were being just plain rude. I would never have expected such rudeness from Boxer: how very very disappointing.
Oh, and it was Lancelot who Guinevere had her affair with, not Galahad. I think.
The battle between Lamont and Lieberman is a struggle for the heart and soul of the Democratic party. But more than this, it is a struggle for our children and the legacy we will leave to them. And no matter the outcome of this most critical election in Connecticut, this pitting of right and wrong will continue for the next twenty-four months or so. It is a struggle, and an essential choice between the concept, rooted in three letters: FDR or DLC. May the good people of the great state of Connecticut choose to choose, compassion over politics.
Thanks, Maura. Great piece, and great work. Boxer was quite condescending, I thought, intimating that the questioners were wrong about Joe’s record and statements. I’m not from CA, so I haven’t seen Boxer in action, but is this the usual tone she takes, you CA folks? And, Maura, BTW, who was the guy in the video who shut the doors on you all as Boxer and Lieberman were being hustled away down what looked like a concrete tunnel?
maybe it was just me, but the impression i got from listening to boxer’s defense of joe’s stance on emergency contriception was that she was trying to suggest that what joe really meant was that the DOCTOR could just “walk next door” to get the victim the medication they need.
in any case, between the uncharacteristly peeveish manner and the stumbling around in her response she seems like she is obviously trying to cover joe’s ass, and not doing a very good job of it.
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Maura,
Bless you and your energy, talent and the work you do…you are another of the FDLers who are role models of citizenship for my college student daughters.
Boxer’s response to you and her obvious awareness of the “rape gurney” issue was in fact a melt down and exposes how much of a bubble she and other elected Democrats in the Senate club inhabit. She ,in fact didn’t hafta call Joe a “Sir Galahad”, she didn’t even hafta answer questions…she coulda showed up, given a generic pro-Democrat statement and left…like Bill Clinton did. Instead, she exposed herself to scrutiny of all her public positions including her opposition to the war.
Like I have said before, I used ta like Boxer and I still think that there is hope fer her. We jest hafta understand that her learnin’ curve is pretty shallow…she needs ta get screwed a few times by guys like Lieberman before she realizes that nobody has unzipped their pants.
KEEP THE FAITH, THEY’RE MORE AFRAID OF YOU THAN YOU NEED TO BE OF THEM!!!
Outstanding post, Maura, and fantastic job on the ground in CT.
Melissa must be right about Lancelot. Curse my inferior memory of the King Arthur story.
Look, I love the “hate Lieberman” fest and he does richly deserve this, but meanwhile, we’re giving Bush and Isreal a pass on the destruction of the entire world, beginning in the Middle East.
The CT senate race is important but I feel like it’s hijacked the entire FDL board.
It’s your board and be my guest.
But here’s a thoroughly depressing development: the bombs our tax dollars are buying Israel contain depleted uranium. So when you start seeing deformed Lebanese babies, you’ll know why.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m25…..=1&l=e
Depleted Uranium Situation Worsens Requiring Immediate Action By President Bush, Prime Minister Blair, and Prime Minister Olmert
Dr. Doug Rokke, PhD., former Director, U.S. Army Depleted Uranium project
July 24, 2006
The delivery of at least 100 GBU 28 bunker busters bombs containing depleted uranium warheads by the United States to Israel for use against targets in Lebanon will result in additional radioactive and chemical toxic contamination with consequent adverse health and environmental effects throughout the middle east.
Today, U.S., British, and now Israeli military personnel are using illegal uranium munitions- America’s and England’s own “dirty bombs” while U.S. Army, U.S. Department of Energy, U.S. Department of Defense, and British Ministry of Defence officials deny that there are any adverse health and environmental effects as a consequence of the manufacture, testing, and/or use of uranium munitions to avoid liability for the willful and illegal dispersal of a radioactive toxic material – depleted uranium.
The use of uranium weapons is absolutely unacceptable, and a crime against humanity. Consequently the citizens of the world and all governments must force cessation of uranium weapons use. I must demand that Israel now provide medical care to all DU casualties in Lebanon and clean up all DU contamination.
U.S. and British officials have arrogantly refused to comply with their own regulations, orders, and directives that require United States Department of Defense officials to provide prompt and effective medical care to “all” exposed individuals. Reference: Medical Management of Unusual Depleted Uranium Casualties, DOD, Pentagon, 10/14/93, Medical Management of Army personnel Exposed to Depleted Uranium (DU) Headquarters, U.S. Army Medical Command 29 April 2004, and section 2-5 of U.S. Army Regulation 700-48. Israeli officials must not do so now.
They also refuse to clean up dispersed radioactive Contamination as required by Army Regulation- AR 700-48: “Management of Equipment Contaminated With Depleted Uranium or Radioactive Commodities” (Headquarters, Department Of The Army, Washington, D.C., September 2002) and U.S. Army Technical Bulletin- TB 9-1300-278: “Guidelines For Safe Response To Handling, Storage, And Transportation Accidents Involving Army Tank Munitions Or Armor Which Contain Depleted Uranium” (Headquarters, Department Of The Army, Washington, D.C., JULY 1996). Specifically section 2-4 of United States Army Regulation-AR 700-48 dated September 16, 2002 requires that:
(1) “Military personnel “identify, segregate, isolate, secure, and label all RCE” (radiologically contaminated equipment).
(2) “Procedures to minimize the spread of radioactivity will be implemented as soon as possible.”
(3) “Radioactive material and waste will not be locally disposed of through burial, submersion, incineration, destruction in place, or abandonment” and
(4) “All equipment, to include captured or combat RCE, will be surveyed, packaged, retrograded, decontaminated and released IAW Technical Bulletin 9-1300-278, DA PAM 700-48″ (Note: Maximum exposure limits are specified in Appendix F).
This is the text of the letter received by me and Oaktown Girl at 6 from Senator Boxer:
Dear FE,
Thank you for writing to me about the hotly contested Connecticut primary for Senate.
I am traveling to many states throughout the summer and fall to help Democrats take back the Senate and House. I started yesterday morning at a campaign stop for Senator Menendez and then made appearances for Joe Lieberman in Connecticut before he left for a Bill Clinton rally.
So why did I go to Connecticut? When Joe asked me to tell his constituents about our work together on the environment and choice, I told him I would.
I realize this decision has deeply disappointed you. I completely understand your position and only hope that you will come to understand mine.
For 14 years, Joe Lieberman and I have shared an alliance on a range of progressive issues, especially two that are central to my public service — the environment and choice.
We have worked side by side on the Senate’s Environment and Public Works Committee. When Bill Clinton was President, the stakes weren’t nearly as high. But within hours of President Bush taking office, the environment was under attack.
Believe me, it has not been easy to fight the Bush Administration and the Republicans on this committee who try to undermine the environment, and its supporters, at every turn.
I know that’s not news to you. But what you might not know about is the critical role that Joe has played in this battle.
The fact is, on every single fight I have waged on that committee — from arsenic in the water, to air pollution, to pesticide testing on infants and children, to global warming, to Superfund and much more — Joe has been a stalwart partner and leader.
Joe was the first author of legislation to permanently protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He was one of the first Senators to try to tackle the global warming challenge. The Republicans laughed at his efforts and refused to admit that we were right on this issue. But Joe was undeterred.
And it’s the same with women’s rights, especially choice. Each and every time a woman’s right to choose has come to the Senate floor — including late term emergency abortions — I’ve had a reliable partner in Joe.
He is one of a small handful of Senators who has joined with me both times I have introduced the Freedom of Choice Act, the most strongly pro-choice piece of legislation in the U.S. Senate.
Because of his long record on choice and other important progressive issues, Joe has won the endorsement of organizations such as Planned Parenthood, NARAL, AFL-CIO, the League of Conservation Voters, and the Human Rights Campaign.
Of course, as you rightly point out, Joe and I don’t agree on everything. And nothing has deeply disappointed me more than our complete disagreement on the Iraq War.
The fact is, I disagree with many of my usual allies on the war since my bill to redeploy troops out of Iraq by the end of THIS year is the toughest redeployment bill out there. As far as I’m concerned, I will stand alone to end this war.
Joe and I have virtually no common ground on Iraq except for one thing — we have teamed up to provide comprehensive mental health care for our troops. Our amendment will ensure that our soldiers will not be sent into combat if they have mental health problems, including post traumatic stress, and that they will be able to get mental health help within 72 hours if they need it.
Again, this may sound easy, but the truth is, we had to work very hard to get our mental health amendment to pass the Senate, which it did.
I do not minimize the differences I have on the war with Joe — or any of my colleagues — but as I said, I also have a 14-year alliance on other progressive issues that are important to us, to California, and our country.
I understand that you disagree vehemently with my decision, as is your right. But, on August 8, the Democrats of Connecticut will make their voices heard on Joe’s candidacy, and I will have deep respect for their decision.
Until then, I only hope that you will weigh our differences about this primary campaign against everything that ties us together, and please know that I will continue to work as hard as I can to earn your trust and support.
Best,
Barbara Boxer
This feels so conflicted. I read this to be that there seems to be almost a moral obligation being borne by Boxer to stand behind Lieberman no matter what the cost to her own status. Not being up for re-election this year, she has nothing to lose and will make it up to us somehow before her term comes up again in 08.
And that’s what I think Lieberman is banking on.
Sharkbabe @11
Sir Galahad. OK, in that case, I’m Audrey Hepburn.
Ooh ooh, I wanna be Julie Newmar. I always thought she was soooo statuesque.
That’s a great post, Maura. Even handed, and to the point.
Does Boxer know how clueless she sounds? Does she need to fire staff or advisers?
do you think Dems should be concerned about replacing a strong contender -Lieberman – with a maybe not so strong one against a GOP candidate – an unknown? Personally i think that’s why some Dems will support Joe – to keep the seat even if he ain’t perfect.
Maura!!!!!!!!
OT – One up, One Down.
IL Dist Ct buys the state’s secret argument for dismissal.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ds_lawsuit
“She reflected that while she and Lieberman disagree on the war in Iraq, they can come together and agree on other issues”.
It is an obscenity when war is measured in the conventional terms of political horsetrading.
I voted for Boxer when she first ran for the House. Indeed, in every congressional election thereafter. I say without hesitation that her endorsement of Lieberman represents the greatest (personal) political betrayal of my lifetime.
The woman is vile.
Maura – Great post and great questions!
Thank you for all you are doing!
Having seen the Boxer pro-Lieberman venom up close at YKOS, I really admire your chutzpah!
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M:
The phrase elludes to thinkin’ you are gettin’ somethin’ and lookin’ forward to it (like havin a tab picked up for dinner) but findin’ out that there’s a charge on yer credit card.
KEEP THE FAITH, THIS STUFF AIN’T NUKLEAR PHYSIXX…ANYBODY KEN DO IT!!!
Boxer and Clinton both showed up to protect the “Incumbent Party”. Their loyalty to the “Incumbent Party” trumps their loyalty to their voters, their party and their country. Watch and learn.
Calling Joe Lieberman “Sir Gallahad” served only to bring up the images of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, particularly one scene in which Sir Gallahad faces great peril . . .
In searching for the cup from which Jesus shared the wine of the last supper, our hero Gallahad finds himself in a castle filled with nubile, sex-starved young maidens. They come on to him – a rather bewildering experience to Gallahad – and assure him that they indeed have the grail for which he searches. Just as Gallahad is about to succumb to their wiles, Sir Lancelot breaks in and rescues Gallahad. Outside the castle, Gallahad argues with his brother in arms:
Monty Python will never be the same . . .
Kitty @ 31
The GOP candidate was polling around 13% for the Generals. I think it is safe to say that my cat could beat him if she ran as a Dem in CT.
Lamont is perfectly safe.
kitty,
the problem is that Lieberman is a lot less than not perfect. Nobody’s perfect, but CT is a very safe D seat, and Lieberman has taken lots of positions that side with corporatism against Jane Q. Public.
Some of that is acceptable from Senator Nelson of NE. But from a Senator from CT? No way.
BC
“Sir Galahads”? I might expect this from Blanche Lincoln or Mary Landrieu, but isn’t there something incredibly cheesy and “eek kill that bug for me” about this?
Just great!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200….._observers
BEIRUT, Lebanon – A U.N. observer post was hit by an Israeli airstrike in south Lebanon Tuesday, causing casualties, a U.N. spokesman said. He could not specify how many or their condition.
-snip-
for shame, Babs, for shame. you just don’t get it, do you? I am utterly disappointed in you.
(Was going to copy/paste her email response to my fax and email a while back, but Fe at 27 beat me to it).
Maura, WOW. Not only are you full of Celtic courage and smarts, but you write like a dream too! Every time you deploy all these gifts for or share them with us … well, it just feels like a birthday.
You go!
OT 1 — CNN: 4 UN observers killed by Israeli bombing.
OT 2 — I posted this late last thread but should have made a bigger deal of it:
CAUGHT ON TAPE: Tom Friedman’s Shocking Admission (by David Sirota)
Except for that kerfuffle about slavery and the war of rebellion, President Jefferson Davis is such an old-fashioned gentleman!
Sir Gala-had-enough?
Yeah, and really I thought Boxer “writing” a novel was kinda cheesy too. That was what first tipped me off that she was ??? not all that I had thought.
Sir Gal, a has been
Has anyone seen Joe’s new line of rape gurneys?
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grandmatoo:
What you say, woman!!! Boxer and Clinton show us that this race really is for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party and will shift the power-dynamic that has been in the hands of the corporatists since 1980. When Lamont wins, the old guard will raise a toast “The king is dead, long live the king!” and move in behind wherever the power is.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BE DISAPPOINTED… BE MAD AS HELL AND VOTE THAT WAY!!!
tom – chicago:
Jane and Christy have been quite clear about their decision to post about the issues they are knowledgeable on – and to let the other blogs with more expertise on the middle east to cover those issues. They also have welcomed and supported the ongoing discussions by the FDL community on Lebanon and Iraq and more. And the discussion has been lengthy and good. I appreciate their hospitality as well as their important focus and work on unseating Lieberman who is a primary supporter of all these horrors. Seems to me that Jane and Christy and all are actually *doing* something to change the dynamic and that is what counts.
They try to paint us as the rabid left, but I think we show our true populist colors by reflecting the mood of the country. Throw the bums out. It isn’t just about the Democratic party, it’s about Congress as a whole. The blogs are energizing progressive value voters, because that’s what we are promoting. Our values are more important than the political posturing of the Democratic leadership.
punaise -
If Lieberman is Sir Gallahad, does that make the Big Dog Sir Had-a-gal?
Gotta get with the medieval lingo . . .
Kitty@31 and BC@40
Not even the Nelson twins or Mary Landrieu or Mark Pryor defended Rumsfeld after Abu Grahib. Several Republicans–McCain, Hagel, Warner, Graham–came as close as they politically could to calling for his resignation, JoMo said that Abu Grahib wasn’t a big enough deal–and of course, he said so on Al-Foxeera.
There was also a story a few days ago that I haven’t been able to find again, about Lieberman leading the charge against small investors in favor of big institutional holdings at the SEC. And Colin McEnroe said the only reason he didn’t vote for Alito was b/c polling in CT was already making him mind his Ps and Qs.
He. Is. Not. A. Good. Democrat.
Sharkbabe? (he inquires, quietly)
And it’s the same with women’s rights, especially choice. Each and every time a woman’s right to choose has come to the Senate floor — including late term emergency abortions — I’ve had a reliable partner in Joe.
I want to ask her how she feels about him helping, by inaction, to get Alito onto the court, but I doubt that she gets it.
Peterr, indeed. I picture Joe more in the Lancelot Link mode.
CNN says they are going to have a statement soon from John Bolton about the UN observers that got shelled and killed. He probably phoned in the coordinates to the Israelis…
Shorter Lieberman on Rumsfeld: Don’t change horsemen in the middle of the Apocalypse.
(I saw that comment somewhere, could have been here or over at the General.)
And speaking of Sir Galahad, here’s what King Arthur himself sang in Camelot (. . .in the Joe Liberman production of course):
“How to handle a woman?
There’s a way,” said the wise old man,
“A way known by ev’ry woman
Since the whole rigmarole began.”
“Do I flatter her?” I begged him answer.
“Do I threaten or cajole or plead?
Do I brood or play the gay romancer?”
Said he, smiling: “No indeed.
How to handle a woman?
Mark me well, I will tell you, sir:
The way to handle a woman
Is to fuck her over…simply fuck her over…
Merely fuck her over…fuck her over…fuck her over>”
United Nations Committee for Lebanon’s Emancipation: the man from U.N.C.L.E.
tom-chicago at 26 — you know, not to be a crab about this, but we’ve done quite a bit of coverage on what is going on in the middle east, both on Iraq and Afghanistan and the current issues with Lebanon and Israel. Jane and I have both said any number of times that neither of us are experts on this, and have pointed people to numerous sites which do exceptional coverage on these issues. All you have to do is click on the Iraq, Iran, foreign policy and other category links at the side to find superb guest posts that have appeared here, including a particularly fine one from Billmon (from last week!), whose writing on these issues has really blown me away of late.
We are not, nor do we want to be, a blog that serves as a news wire service. If that’s what people want, then I suggest the AP website or CNN. Jane and I cover the issues about which we are passionate and well informed and which are of interest for any number of reasons, and we try to bring in guest posters who have expertise to cover other areas where we are personally lacking.
But we will never, ever be a blog that covers all things for all people. It is not our way. And as Jane is expending quite a bit of her own money and time to stay in CT through the primary, and cover a race that she feels is very important — not just to CT, but in shaping the Democratic party’s future — and as this is her blog, I think she’s pretty much allowed to write about it whenever she damn well pleases.
And if people aren’t happy with that, there are only a bazillion other blogs out there that cover a bazillion other issues every single day. I read the things that interest me elsewhere, and pick and choose, depending on my interest, and I would suspect that everyone else does the same as well. But, really, if there is an issue about which you or someone else feels passionate, and you feel it is essential that people talk about it…well, that’s as easy as starting your own blog.
But don’t expect either Jane or I to drop everything and come running to a topic about which we have repeatedly said we are less than fully well versed — it would be neither appropriate nor helpful, which is why the posts I have done on the subject thus far have been more summary and big picture in nature, and have related most of all to the political farce of the Bush Administration’s policies. If you want ME intricacies and politics, may I suggest Juan Cole, Billmon, Swopa, Gilliard, Wolcott, AJ at Americablog, Laura Rozen, and all the other experts out there that are too numerous to list in full. You’ll get much more bang for your buck.
And I apologize to Maura for the length of this, but I have had it with people telling me what I ought to be covering on the blog, when I work my butt off to just produce the coverage that I do on a day to day basis (as does Jane, for that matter), and have any time around the edges for my family and myself. This is neither easy nor remotely financially rewarding, but I do it for the good of my child and my country — and I think having the leeway to contribute on issues where I feel I can have the most impact ought to be MY decision.
Who is watching the Candy Store?
Lieberman is really fighting to keep his Payday and needing some more of them 100 Grand Bars…..Sen Sen Boxer showed up to help out with her Bits O’ Honey….Lieberman stood closely by shaking his head in exasperation while fingering his Candy Buttons on Paper Tape rolled up in his suit pocket and looking like he was earlier sampling a slice of Cry Baby Extra Sour Gum. Its like they are living in a Nonpareils universe.
The Big Hunk, Joe’s Sugar Daddy, showed up to take the heat off of any Atomic Fire Ball questioning. Jane & Spazebot (M & Ms Plain and Peanut) arrive on the scene, held back by a Gobstopper, brought in to fight back the liberals. Although their tickets were Good and Plenty, they were denied entrance, like they were a couple of Horehounds. This Razzles Jane, who Snickers, because she knows that Joe is taking his cues from the Jolly Rancher but not everyone knows that Jane is on a Marathon Bar. Jane will be serving her revenge later on, with a side of Lik M Aid Fun Dip. Meanwhile, Lamont is doubling his Red Hot Dollars. It’s gonna be a Rocky Road until Lamont is elected…
Sonoma at 34 — You said “The woman is vile.” I think that is way too harsh. I think, in this case, Boxer thinks of this as helping out a friend (Lieberman) and not about the impact that the dissonance between his positions and hers would have on her supporters. I disagree with Boxer’s support of Lieberman — I think it is ill-informed, for a number of reasons – but she has been an exceptional voice in the Senate on a whole host of women’s issues, and I think we would do well to think more in terms of educating her and those like her inside the beltway bubble (Schumer, for example), than throwing the baby out with the bathwater altogether. Just my two cents.
ccmask:
my first solo 707!
Thanks!
kitty at 31 — actually, Ned Lamont is polling even with Lieberman in a 3-way race, with the republican polling a very, very distant third. So, in answer to your question — NO.
I have no idea what solo 707 is…
Maura,
When I saw the footage of you questioning Boxer I was struck by your unflappable poise. You were calm, but persistent and you immediately came back with your follow-up even as she was dismissing you imperiously and rudely.
I thought you were a real pro. Dogged and gracious and you came out smelling like a rose. Wish we had more like you.
Oh, and gee wiz, what’s the big deal about about a pesky war? Between friends what’s a little mayhem, torture and murder? Move along, folks, Joe got the NARAL endorsement. /snark
Christy- thanks- and, BTW, the suggestion “start your own blog” is a great one for anyone who takes you to task for not following “all/ their” issues. Also, Siun had a nice response earlier too, but you may have been typing while that was posted. It is so unfair to criticize you and Jane because you’re not following “some particular issue” in the depth that “someone” would like”. And, both of you are ever giving us directly practical advice as to how to follow up on issues (and commenters too). That is a great strength of this site.
#65,
Zagnut very excellent.
M at 47 — having written quite a bit of fiction myself, I’m wondering why Boxer writing a novel seems odd to you? Because she is a sitting Senator — or because you didn’t like the novel? Just curious — because I think creative work is incredibly helpful for me in any number of areas, including in helping to distill thoughts on a lot of the political writing I do.
ccmask 63 – Sweet!
707 is an upsidedown LOL, having fallen over backwards in one’s chair
Stephen Parrish, are you here? I have a response to your comment.
Jim @ 41:
“Sir Galahads”? I might expect this from Blanche Lincoln or Mary Landrieu, but isn’t there something incredibly cheesy and “eek kill that bug for me” about this?
What a buzzkill to discover that the women Senators in my country are nothing more than a pack of Damsels In Distress just waiting to be saved by the big strong male Senators. Blech.
Now that I think about it, Biden got a bar, Boxer got a candy store. Why didn’t Lieberman take her a pretty flower garden? Wouldn’t want our fragile lady to get a case of the vapors or anything.
what punaise said.
Sir Gonadless v. Goneds
Christy, when do you expect the next installment from Howie?
ifthethunderdon’tgetya …
that’s a line from one of the wonderful Betty Bower’s bumberstickers (Betty also promotes several other stylish lines of products):
http://www.cafepress.com/bettybowers.10155491
Betty is “america’s best christian”
What punaise said.
Wait… what did punaise say? :)
Jenny ftB – LOL tipping back in my chair
M #21 “…who was the guy in the video who shut the doors on you all as Boxer and Lieberman were being hustled away down what looked like a concrete tunnel?”
M, I was holding the camera, and I am absolutely positive that the guy was “Jelly” from the Billy Crystal movie “Analyze This”.
Did you see the size of the hands on that guy? That’s why I was worried about shitting myself…while I was pestering Joe, I could see him scowling out of the corner of my eye, and I was waiting for Joe to point at me and give him the finger-across-the-throat sign.
I would’a been a grease spot by the time he was finished!
oh, okay…I thought it was a private club or something…707. BTW Wiki doesn’t list the 707 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…..rnet_slang
heehee, punaise.
ifthethunderdontgetya at 59: I used the “change horsemen” phrase in a comment here a couple of nights ago, but I didn’t originate it; someone out there in web-land came up with it during the 2004 election.
HATS OFF TO CCMASK!
Dang, you sweeeeet!
CT Bob — you were quite brave. And thank you so much for putting together all that fantastic information on CT hospitals — that was citizen journalism at its very best. :)
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Citizen Hardin Smith,
You don’t need ta defend the blog to Tom-Chicago (or anyone else) but your doin’ so is classy and helps remind folks that FDL is not all things ta all folks. FDL is jest one of the essential cogs in the great blogosphere machine.
As for your tryin’ ta put Boxer’s actions in some kinda perspective, I would like to respectfully suggest that Sonoma’s anger is essential for Boxer ta hear and if she doesn’t hear it and doesn’t make a move to acknowlege that she hears it, then “the woman IS vile” and isn’t a progressive politician worthy of support.
KEEP THE FAITH, WE’VE ALWAYS GOTCHER BACK!!!
Sir Galahad?!?
Mmmmm, not so much, I’m thinking The Black Knight
John in Sac’to (or Roseville),
HoJo: “…come back here! I’ll spit on you!”
BC
And I’m thinking of the Knights who say “NEEEEEEE!”
Jenny from the Blog says: “Stephen Parrish, are you here? I have a response to your comment.”
July 25th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
Yes, I’m here.
In support of Christy and Jane’s right to write about whatever hell they care to write about. Since when is this a public access channel or a community service board? Also: you can make those checks out to The Fire Dog Lake Company….
Well the Israelis were blowing up Red Cross vehicles last week, what’s a UN outpost or 2? Heck we’re lucky they don’t suspect our US naval vessels of ferrying arms to Hezbollah, they might attack us too.
But hitting a UN outpost sends a not so subtle signal to Europe. Try to interfere in our ethnic cleansing by inserting a peacekeeping force into Lebanon, and we (Israel) might just keep on bombing you. (It is of course possible that it was an accident.)
Because he doesn’t know when he’s beat
OT
Great! Now half of us are farking stupid!!!
50% in US think Iraq had WMDs
http://rawstory.com/
David,
“We are no longer the Knights who say ‘Ni’. We are now the Knights who say, ‘Icky, icky, icky, pootang zoom-boy!’”
Which aptly sums up my feelings about HoJo…
BC
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john in sacramento:
“…er, roseville”, is that Roseville, Minnesota?
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE BASTARDS IN YER YARD!
Great stuff, Maura!
I had a comment that was double-secret EPU’ed on the Boxer thread a couple of days ago, which I think is relevant. Since you were actually there, and I’m just judging based on video, maybe you have more insight on whether this is an accurate assessment:
Christy 71- fair question. I’m not sure my response at the time was “rational”, but I’ll try to explain as best I can. It’s just that at the time (and of course now) it seemed that we as a nation were facing so many crises- and that Boxer was one of the more forceful voices in trying to lead us in a sane direction. I was even thinking ah a Gore-Boxer ticket. I am certainly not denigrating the importance of writing or the arts, but since Boxer has such a commanding voice in politics (imo back then), it just seemed that publishing a novel was not exactly what one on the public payroll should be doing- perhaps I was simply disappointed in that it seemed to be a dilution of her efforts. I could continue, but for now, that’s the best I can do by way of explanation.
Sir Galahad?! More like Sir Robin! As soon as I read how the two ran away as soon as the “fierce” questions started, I thought of Sir Robin-the-chickenhearted. Obligatory quote:
Brave Sir Robin ran away. (”No!”)
Bravely ran away, away. (”I didn’t!”)
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled. (”No!”)
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about (”I didn’t!”)
And gallantly he chickened out. (”I never did!”)
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat, (”All lies!”)
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin! (”I never!”)
Stephen -
Thanks for your response and I do love “Dusk”, Leslie CA’s favorite. My other one true Parrish love is “Stars”.
Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/rds89
My own taste has always tended toward the more modern, non-figurative, but in spite of that I’ve loved your grandad always. Thanks again for sharing.
Maybe Boxer’s actually more upset with Joe for running such a feckless campaign and making himself so difficult to support, than she is with the people she’s lashing out at, people she doesn’t even know. Anger’s funny that way, sometimes. /end Boxer apologia.
In any case, I will be writing to thank her for her response and for her expression of “deep respect” for the will of the voters of Connecticut.
Thanks, Christy! :)
Wilson 45,
That’s a good one.
I sensed something superficial about Boxer when I watched her YKos performance on teevee. IIRC, she was more than a bit too noncommittal – disrespectful even (for my tastes) on a particular progressive issue (the issue of which I’ve forgotten). Alas, I am one of the “Angry Left”. Angry, not happy, but still civil after all these years.
fe at 2:25 p.m.
“This feels so conflicted. I read this to be that there seems to be almost a moral obligation being borne by Boxer to stand behind Lieberman no matter what the cost to her own status.”
In my opinion, by dragging Boxer into his Connecticut primary race, Lieberman is mugging her. He knows what a conflict there is between her positions and his. If he were really a Sir Galahad, he would keep her in the background and not ask her to damage her credibility with her own supporters by publicly endorsing and campaigning for him.
The line “He stressed his strong friendship with Boxer and the mutual friendship of their spouses.” strikes me as somewhat suspect. Boxer’s husband is not a DC spouse — he works in Oakland and in fact they very recently moved from their longtime home in Greenbrae (Marin County) to Oakland so he could eliminate the daily drive across the bridge and down the Eastshore Freeway into into Oakland (the drive down that stretch of freeway is one of the Top 10 Worst in California).
CTBob- yeah, when I saw you were here, I thought that you might speak up if you knew who the guy was. He made an impression on me too, obviously!
Siun @ 79, my mom would love that bumpersticker, I’m going to have get her one.
Yea, I think I’m one of the knights who say formerly said …
“NI! Bring me a shrubbery (Bush)!”
_____
It’s Roseville Ca, Norske
Joe’s just given Boxer a neckrub.
Maybe Boxer’s actually more upset with Joe for running such a feckless campaign
Joe can go feck himself
YAY!!!
HI VG!
Maura, a Connecticut resident, concerned voter, and person who is not working for the Lamont campaign, blogs regularly at My Left Nutmeg.
And I might add, one of the all time great precinct captains. Your friends in Virginia miss you and CT Democrats are more fortunate than they know.
Valley Girl? Valley Girl!!!
And she’s given him. . .
Valley Girl!!! We have missed you.
neuro -
So true. Joe is selfish. In fact, it’s his defining characteristic and it manifests in everything he says and does. He’ll drag down as many as he can while he drowns.
Redshift, your supposition about Joe’s private clarification makes sense … particulalrly since Boxer used ‘walk’ in her explanation of Joe’s position. Joe is using the “hospitals are all so close they can ‘walk’ to the next one” line to abortion-rights supporters out of state (ooh – look! — CT is such a teensy tiny state! everything must be so close!)
Defjef … that sure sounds outta line to me. I strongly criticize Israeli policy and AIPAC’s apparently absolute control of our government but that is way different from any statement about any religious group and I’d suggest moderators do a bit of cleanup at 107.
[ Moderator: do an F5 page refresh and you will see. ]
I had a list of questions for Barbara, but there were a couple that I didn’t get to. What do you think she would have thought of these?
“Will you be endorsing any other chickenhawks?”
“Victoria’s Secret or granny panties?”
Thank you Maura and CTBob!!!!!!!! You are the faces of democracy.
Oh, Valley Girl– hi! (waving madly, I am)
BustedKnuckles@96: wrt the 50% in US think Iraq had WMDs, you would think they would clarify which 50% had it right, ya know?
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neuropheius:
Great point about Joe takin’ advantage of Boxer…I think she gets it now and she needs ta feel the full weight of progressive (especially progressive women) outrage so that she and other politicians ken feel which way the wind is blowin and where the butter is gunna come from for their future bread.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE BASTARDS OFFA THE FLOOR!!!
Christy, it seems that the public is voting with their page views what they want to read, and FDL is winning that election daily. I don’t know why you even bother justifying yourselves to the same people. Keep it comin’, sister!
Valley Girl
Welcome back!
Hey ValleyGirl!
Maura — wondering if there is any confirmation of what was mentioned in another thread, i.e. that independents are registered dem (I had heard that part) in order to vote for Joe in the primary. Also, the all the Jewish voters are being urged to vote in the dem primary for Joe.
that is worrying to me. Powers we do not know about are pulling out all the stops — including Rove IMO.
I would like to point out to the Moderators that “ValleyGirl” at 108 is NOT the “Valley Girl” of yore. I hate to ask the moderators to do anything extra, but if you could take a few moments to check this out, I would be MOST appreciative.
WELCOME HOME, VALLEY GIRL!!!
God, we missed you!
Boxer’s campaign stop for Joenertia is all about supporting the incumbency racket. As reported about her comments from YKos maybe she and the other Dem DC establishment do not fully grasp what is happening in the Dem grassroots.
The people want change; the incumbents want status quo.
We cannot change the complexion of the Dem party and particularly the Dem establishment overnight. We now know that Boxer is a progressive that fights hard for progressive values in the Senate but at the same time she is in lock step with the incumbent protection scheme.
DefJef 107 – that’s offensive.
VG – welcome back, missed ya!
(Barbara sings Rogers and Hammerstein’s only cult song):
“The gentleman is a dope a man of many faults.
A clumsy Joe who wouldn’t know a Rhumba from a Waltz.
The gentleman is a dope and not my cup of tea
Why do I get in a dither?
He doesn’t belong to me!
The gentleman isn’t bright
He doesn’t know the score.
A Cake will come, He’ll take a crumb
And never ask for more.
The gentleman’s eyes are blue
But little do they see
Why am I beating my brains out?
He doesn’t belong to me!
He’s somebody else’s problem,
She’s welcome to the guy!
She’ll never understand him half as well as I
The gentleman is a dope
He isn’t very smart
He’s just a lug you like to hug
And hold againsl you heart,
The gentleman is a dope doesn’t know
How happy he could.
Look at me
Crying my eyes out,
As if he belonged to me.
He’ll never belong to me.
Taxi ! Taxi!
Oh Hell, I’ll walk.“
Regarding Henry. Poor chap, we never had a chance to know him well.
http://tinyurl.com/jd6kr
Syria, Iran lack full Hizbollah control: US official
Remember when the guy who gets PDBs everymorning and memos that say things like Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US, and who tells CIA agents conveying urgent (a CondiR tm word) messages that they’ve covered their ass, while concentrates on brush clearing project …
Remember when that guy had the answers?
President Bush told British Prime Minister Tony Blair in an aside last week that the key to ending the current Middle East crisis was to “get Syria to get Hizbollah to stop doing this
shit[covering up the Cheney-words so we can keep purity in prose&presidency alive]Apparently, there was just this teeny mistake. He was wrong.
Syria can do far more to rein in Hizbollah, such as stopping arms flows into Lebanon, but is not capable of putting the militia “out of business,” a top U.S. counterterrorism official said on Tuesday.
Really? Syria can’t make them stop all the Cheneying? What’s that? Oh – even MORE wrong? Say hello, and maybe soon goodbye, to Henry.
[Henry Crumpton, the State Department’s coordinator for counterterrorism,] said Iran wielded more influence over Hizbollah [than Syria], “but even there, Iran does not completely own Hizbollah.” ,
Oh, ok. So no one gave the President the “Iran and Syria are two different countries” speech on the plane like they did for Pakistan and India, eh? Who Cheneyed that up?
Still, if Syria can’t clear it all up, at least the President bringing them into it will probably help.
Syria has offered to play a constructive role, but there is no sign the Bush administration is ready to turn to a state it says sponsors terrorism and helps insurgents in Iraq.
Oh.
DO you think maybe those PDBs have FLD recipes?
Okay, thanks you all- I confess- I have been posting and reading as “M” and thanks for the welcome back- I am greatly honored. HOWEVER, “Valley Girl” at 108 is not the “real” FDL Valley Girl. M= VG
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VALLEY GIRL!! Oh shit woman, ya jest filled a big whole in my heart…it is SOOOOO terrific ta have ya back.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER…ALL THEY GOT IS THE MONEY!!
Wait…what? M=VG?
YAY!!!!!
HI ‘M’!!!
707′d myself there.
ValleyGirl at 107 — Hi, and welcome. You may not be aware, but we have another regular who uses “Valley Girl” as her moniker. Would you perhaps consider using something like “CAValleyGirl” or “ValleyGurrl” or something else — just to avoid confusion? As you can see, the other Valley Girl has been a regular for a while (although hasn’t been posting much of late due to an insanely busy schedule), and I’d hate for you to have to explain that you are not she (and vice versa). Much appreciated and, as I said, welcome!
M at 135, if you are saying you appropriated VG’s name, that sucks.
M=VG and VG at 107 does not =M who did =VG?
I think I’ve got it.
{{{Valley Girl}}}
The fascisti have aligned with religion since Constantine’s Edict of Milan. Dubya’s “Faith Based Initiative” – that is – the funnelling of federal money to churches is evidence of the progression of fascism in the US. No federal money should go to any church, nor Religious Hospitals taht refuse to dispense EC. Personally, unpopular as it may be, I feel that Churches should be taxed like any other business.
op99, I believe M is saying she is the real VG, not the one at 108.
Maybe Tom–Chicago should try something like this next time:
“Pardon me for being off topic, but I am really concerned about what is happening in Lebanon, and I want to help raise awareness about this important issue. I won’t take much of your time. Here is my [brief] opinion. Here are a couple of links if you would like more information. Thank you.”
That might go down a little better.
M was outed.
You mean that M is not 007’s boss?
Or is that another secret identity?
Mary at 142 said I think I’ve got it.
Well, then can you explain it to me? I’m confused.
Oh, and Hi!!! VG – great to have you back/here.
Is this an episode of To Tell the Truth ;)
Lieberman’s campaign responds to Spazeboy and Jane.
op99 – commenter at 108 or thereabouts posted as VG, but is not “the” VG whom we all know and love. “The” VG has been posting as M, and wanted to clarify that it was not in fact she who posted at 108.
op99
“our” Valley Girl has been posting some as “M”
Then someone else posted on this thread (which had “our” Valley Girl posting under M) using “Valley Girl” as their name.
So M (our Valley Girl) posted to say she IS “our” Valley Girl, but that the Valley Girl at 108 IS NOT “our” old Valley Girl.
Christy has now mentioned to the new VG that maybe she may want to be CAVG or something?
I have this happen with Mary some.
It’s all about The Club. Boxer, good as she may be, is first and foremost a member of The Club. They look down on the rest of us.
I know Barbara Boxer. She is no Paul Wellstone.
now I’m so confused! M – is that really you, the blogstress formerly known as Valley Girl? Great to have you back! The door was always open.
and, lest we forget, welcome to the new ValleyGirl! (might I suggest a suffix or tweak to avoid what is bound to be a lot of confusion?
jis 151 – will the real Roseville please stand up? ;) (Is that in honor of tonight, btw?)
Well, it’s getting clearer. If I offended anyone in the process, I apologise.
“Sonoma at 34 — You said “The woman is vile.” I think that is way too harsh”.
Well, we certainly don’t see eye to eye, Smith. I don’t give a damn how much credit Boxer may have accrued over the years on any other issue. I wouldn’t care if she had introduced legislation that cured cancer. War cannot be measured by conventional political standards. Lieberman supports the Big Lie War- to the hilt. Boxer supports Lieberman.
I can still hardly believe that it’s come to this pass. Up until the moment she announced her unequivocal support for that wretch, my support and affection for her had grown with the years. It was never unequivocal. It never is, for any politician. But it was real.
War is my sole “litmus test” for any politician. In the name of common decency, of a tortured humanity, how anyone can even half-heartedly glean from Boxer’s endorsement anything to exculpate her great betrayal is incomprehensible to me.
I will stand by my characterization for the rest of my life.
Hidin’ in plain sight.
Nice to know you’re here,’M’. I know I missed ya.
(sniff).
Hiya M!
Will the real Slim Shady
please stand up
please stand up
This is all so exciting!
uh-oh….I hope we said nice things about VG while M was lurking…..
Oops – shoulda said Hi! M at 150.
Sorry for the hit and run if this has already been posted — just saw the first “Hi I’m Chris Dodd, vote for Joe” commercial.
Thanks all… I just felt so bad about having a huge meltdown when I thought that I was being called a “Stalinist Moderator”, and was basically kinda pissed off that back then people were being pretty rude and ugly to each other in the comments, and also overly demanding of the moderators (step to it where’s my comment) plus also, that I was and really am still stressed about work stuff and felt that I was letting the team down… that I thought that it was best all round that I vanish. However, I couldn’t resist an occasional comment and so I used “M”. But, having seen the “Valley Girl” comment above, and the huge welcome back, I thought I’d best fess up.
about the LieberWhine about why the LieberTroopers tore up SpazeBoys ticket. They said they recognized him and knew he wasnt on the list. 2000 tickets issued. You mean they scrutinized the list beforehand for known cute agitators and videographers? Did they tell the LieberTroopers what that cutie looked like and that he wasnt on the officially-scrutinized list?
The LieberCoverUp unravels …
What did Joe know and when did he know it?
punaise 163 – you’re so busted now. ;)
Actually, I know just a couple of days ago we were bemoaning her absence. Nice to know she’s still around, even if mostly in lurk mode.
(To return to the post for a bit . . .)
The last paragraph of the main post says a mouthful. Boxer’s notion of progress is hardly a clear picture of reality. Spend a few days around these parts, and the notion of political women accepting scraps and being grateful goes right out the window.
Spew warning . . .
I dare you to try to imagine Jane or Christy or posters like Mary, Looseheadprop, or Emptywheel saying “A scrap? Thank you – may I have another?”
Their replies would be more along the lines of “Scraps? No thanks – I’ll just take a seat at the table.” Then there’d likely be a swiftly raised knee, and someone lying on the ground gripping their groin.
They don’t call this the PROGRESSive blogosphere for nothing . . .
You want evidence? See Christy @ 62.
nope, not ever a nice word that I can recall, punaise ;)
Wull, it’s too jes’ many fo’ me.
All’s I know it thet I done NEVER hurt this bad laffin’ on FDL, and I done hurt bad laffin’ here moughty offen moughty long.
Hi, M=VG, want some o’ this Scotch before I expire here?
Did I miss Sir Galahapless?
And, there’s always Sir Gala-Had.
Leslie,
Yea too hot to do anything so I got an early start
Sonoma,
I don’t think Boxer’s support for Lieberman is unequivocal. She has stated that she is troubled by his stance on the Iraq war. She has also said she’ll support the party’s nominee after the primary.
That’s not unequivocal support. Would she like HoJo to win? Publicly, yeah. Who knows in her heart-of-hearts?
BC
Sonoma #160 – I’m actually willing to forgive Boxer for this little indescretion, especially if she falls on her knees after Ned wins the primary, begging him to accept her undying love and full support.
I’ve got to get around to editing the video of her speech…her body language is full of tells which betray the fact that even SHE doesn’t believe what she’s saying.
sheesh! I’m the Stalinist Moderator here dammit … its fun to exercise a little dictatorship of the proletariat in here now and then!
Welcome back and dont say anything too petit bourgeois !
Punaise- not to worry- I’ve only been reading comments for the past few days!!!!
yes, BobCT– but if even SHE doesn’t believe what she’s saying, why did she do it? I don’t want a pol that says things they don’t believe. It’s then a lie.
almost worse in my book.
whoops, CTBob not BobCT.
CT Bob 174
… especially if she falls on her knees after Ned wins the primary, begging him to accept her undying love and full support.
Ned, gallant fellow that he is, would graciousy cast his cape across the puddled residue of melted Li-beurre-man so that Madame Boxer need not soil her shoes coming aboard the good ship Lamont.
I think that in order to get tickets you had to give your Social Security #…maybe that is how they check or something?
*ilson, you have the title with my full and complete blessing, I will make no contest on that one! (kinda reminds me of a song from The Producers…tho I’m not sure why…)
GrandmaJ at 128: It’s certainly no time for the Lamont campaign to rest on their laurels, but I’m not too worried about the specific factors you mention. From what I’ve read, yes, independents (or rather, voters with no party affiliation) have been switching to Democrat to vote in the primary, but we know for a fact that some of them are doing it to vote for Lamont. In general on the issues, independents are a lot closer to liberals than conservatives, and the belief a “centrist” like Joe appeals to them more is one of the great fallacies of the consultant/pundit culture. There are also prominent reports of Republicans trying to switch to vote in the Democratic primary, but by CT law, it’s too late.
It’s true as well that Joe and his campaign are trying to get Jewish voters to come out for him, but that’s because of polling showing that they actually favor Lamont. Since his campaign’s only appeal to them seems to be “we Jews should stick together” rather than treating them like rational decision-makers, I don’t expect much to come of that effort either.
I certainly expect that Rove and company are planning to exploit the divisions Joe is creating in the general election, but I don’t see any way they can have much effect in the primary.
Welcome back M…it’s like you got married with the new name!!
OT – Hadley to the Rescue.
Given the problem the President recently had sorting out Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and butter or margarine – the intrepid security advisor, realized that he would have to take over on the Turkey-Kurd-PKK conflict when the initial Presidential response was to go off in search of an applicable Louis Rich coldcut to add to his roll. Hadley spiffly covered for the situation in negotiations, using the all-American tactic of poor pronunciation.
Hadley: “The President? He’d love to be here working on this issue, but he’s tied up with hisrollah.”
In any event, those PKK raids into Turkey – all fixed. All it took was something trite
and true.Hadley said that he and aides to Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, here for talks with US President George W. Bush, discussed the issue “at length” and agreed to set up a three-way “framework” with Turkey to deal with the matter.
See, all you need is a framework. A three way framework. In case you didn’t get it, he said it another way.
“We recognize the seriousness of the problem, that Turkish citizens and Turkish security forces are dying as a result of the activities of the PKK,” he said. “We have proposed that it be addressed in this trilateral context, I think the Turks are comfortable with that.”
I betcha they are. If they’d been there, they probably would have mentioned it.
BTW – that “trilateral” thing. Anyone else in the Executive Branch ever heard of it?
M – just joshin’. references to and queries about VG that surfaced from time to time were generaly wistful.
The best thing I can say in Boxer’s defense (tough as that is), and believe me I want to defend her since I have long admired her as a Senator, is that she is under some kind of incredible pressures we are not aware of to support Joe.
Knowing she’s doing something she’d really rather not be doing, and trying to put a brave face on it, as if she really believed in it, it is only natural she’d get peeved at being questioned. Wouldn’t you?
Her being so short with the questioners sort of proves my point. It’s as if she’s saying “Look, I know I’m embarassing myself here, but you don’t understand what I’m going through and I can’t tell you, so please back off.”
Angie, my guess is that Joe called in a major political chit for her to come to CT and campaign for him. He must have made a deal to vote for one of her pet bills, in exchange for a promise to campaign for him if he needs her.
She probably thought there’d only be a few local newspeople there, and definitely no bloggers with video cameras and chips on their shoulders!
And I’ll bet that Joe said, “It’s just gonna be a quick photo-op in a closed candy store, then off to a private big-bucks fundraiser, then you can jet back to CA in time for tea.”
No, it don’t work like that here. Welcome to Connecticut, Babs.
ValleyGirl was more of a Trotskyite than a Stalinist…/em nods head
Mary @ 133 -
Think of the implications and how incredibly important for Jr. that Syria and Iran does have complete control over Hizbollah. Because, you know if they don’t, well… the Bush foreign policy has left open the possibility that a few people in southern Lebanon can set the ME and world aflame.
*ilson46201 is the Stylin’ist Moderator
john, sounds good – hope the traffic’s not too bad from downtown later on.
Thanks all- I have to leave for now… and now I am in a quandry as to my future moniker… *alley Girl?
Imagine the surprise VG #108 had when the place lit up. Probably scared her, poor thing.It’s O.K. now ,come on back.
I hate that I have to stick a 99 on the end of my handle to distinguish myself from the hoards of ops out there.
punaise- *ilson46201 is the Stylin’ist Moderator
Oh, Brilliant. And now I really have to go back to my other job…
… references to and queries about VG that surfaced from time to time were generaly wistful.
Ah, pun, our first-ever disagreement. References to and queries about VG that surfaced from time to time were exclusively wistful.
I sent her an e-mail about the topic of endorsing Lieberman and she sent back a response about how he’s been a good Democrat who’s worked with her for 14 years on issues other than Iraq. I just wanted to respond that you shouldn’t endorse someone who has a wrong position on a war that has taken the lives of almost 3000 American soldiers and 100 Iraqi citizens a day.
Back to Maura and M and serendipity.
I think this is a great place for you to “reappear” VG, when we are smiling over how Maura. YOu’ve always helped make sure some of the best and brightest got their due. *g*
Boxer’s not awful – just really wrong on this point. Still, nowhere NEAR as wrong as Leiberman. So perspective kept.
it seems SpazeBoy was given a ticket by a friend so he could see President Clinton speak. Did he have to show ID at the door with the ticket? If they couldnt find his SocSec on the list, then they could refuse him…
BUT they turned him away saying he was a known troublemaker.
without checking ID, how did the LieberTroopers know SpazeBoy wasnt on the list? Did somebody scrutinize that list searching for anarchists, bolsheviks and Lamonters? Were they satisfied that no known agitators were on the approved list? When SpazeBoy showed up, was his face so famous, they just knew he wasnt authorized?
What did Joe know and when did he know it? Did he ever talk to Novak?
Great post Maura, and very insightful. Keep up the great work. I for one am fascinated by the dynamic going on with this race, and I’m learning a lot everyday about how dedicated people fight for what they believe in.
when push comes to shove, I’ll post as my alter-ego 3sivund
Imagine the surprise VG #108 had when the place lit up. Probably scared her, poor thing.It’s O.K. now ,come on back.
Yeah, I take back what I said, I thought you, or M, or somebody, was nefarious. Hey, that’s a good name, do we have a nefarious yet? Or is it too close to neurophius?
on abortion from the e-mail:
Jenny from the Blog says: “…I’ve loved your grandad always. Thanks again for sharing.”
July 25th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
Please look at this illustration from the same gallery: http://www.independentweb.com/…..y/1958.htm
He was 87 or 88 then. The quality of his illustrations near the end of his long career was just as outstanding as the quality of his illustrations in 1895, about the time he produced his first commercial illustrations.
“Her being so short with the questioners sort of proves my point. It’s as if she’s saying “Look, I know I’m embarassing myself here, but you don’t understand what I’m going through and I can’t tell you, so please back off.”
Morris S, that’s as crisp and persuasive an explanation for this mess as I’ve seen yet.
lotus
Ah, pun, our first-ever disagreement.
’sokay, I’m prepared to turn the other chic.
*ilson, it’s a small state. We keep running into the same Liebertroops at pretty much every event. I know that we know them, and I know that they KNOW us.
I doubt I’ll ever get that close to Joe again without that massive bodyguard twisting my head off my body like a soda cap.
yes, Morris Sheppard at 186, very good take on this
Stephen Parrish -
Beautiful. Thanks.
Mary- I have been reading the articles from time to time too … and, I LOVED your article about GOTV… (if you have had another article, apologies if I missed it)… and… more please.. M/ VG
“Valley Girl,” “M,” whatever, just good to hear you are ok.
Whatever works for you.
A rose smells as sweet regardless of the name.
punaise broke the news to all of us, who missed the thread, about what happened.
BTW, thanks Mary for the play-by-play. I was down with op99.
Stephen Parrish, are you Maxfield’s grandson?
M – oh happy day – have missed you so!
Mary @ 183
Yea, Steven Hadley is the head of the Toady Affairs Dept..
tryggth – a few people in southern Lebanon can set the ME and world aflame.
Hezbollah may be more than a few, but that’s really the whole ball of wax, isn’t it? Groups with non-state control. The neoncons still don’t believe in them.
Groups with non-state interests that are not addressed by diplomatic and economic and even military efforts addressed towards state interests.
BTW – for anyone who has Boxer as their Congress person – maybe she might like to read this?
http://law.shu.edu/guantanamot…..ort_1_.pdf
Gitmo, not Iraq. But the compromises we make to accomodate our friends have ramifications.
And who are Boxer’s contributors? I don’t know, and after next week when we move out of California (for other reasons) I don’t care. DiFi is beholden to Bechtel. The only thing I can thing of is (as I believe Jane pointed out) Boxer’s real money and Lieberman’s real money might be the same, and they might have engineered this whole thing. This has gone far beyond “women’s” issues, though they are still vitally important, but it has gone into a situation where methinks there is something else behind it. Maybe it’s nothing anyone can incict anyone else for, but you gotta wonder. I’m just sayin.
OT– Nasrallah apparently just spoke and said that they will begin launching rockets further south acc to le loup garou.
Kofi Annan says that the killing of the UN people was “deliberate”.
this is becoming ominouser and ominouser.
CTBob- And, I still want to know who that “body guard” guy was… since you didn’t recognize him, maybe he’s one of Lieberman’s out of state “volunteers”? M/ VG
Forgot a ” or a Toady Affairs Dept.
Stephen 205, hope you don’t mind me butting in here – that was one of the ones I considered when I was buying my prints. Really lovely.
op99 – ooh, ooh, can I be nefarious? Pretty please?
M – you could always post as MG . . .
john in … roseville
Yea, Steven Hadley is the head of the Toady Affairs Dept..
just as deer Condi dabbles in Fawn Affairs
I give up! Click
http://leekottner.typepad.com/…..bury9g.gif
M says “…and now I am in a quandry as to my future moniker… *alley Girl?”
July 25th, 2006 at 3:50 pm
M/Valley Girl – welcome back!
What’s Vanna White going to do with all these consonants that are being replaced by asterisks? (g)
A pronunciation guide might be in order – how is *ilson supposed to be pronounced? (g)
CT Bob: doubt I’ll ever get that close to Joe again without that massive bodyguard twisting my head off my body like a soda cap.
But you and Maura won’t stop, will you. And thank you for that!
Mara – Great post. Brilliant. I have always respected Boxer till now. Imperious is the perfect word to describe Lieberman and too many of these people who supposedly work for us, the people. I’m certainly not going to write off Barbara yet, but if this behavior becomes common we ain’t havin’ it.
The status quo is resisting the inevitable. The internet and blogs are just the most visable expression of the deep dissatisfaction of the intelligent voting public. Politians can no longer expect a few well planned photo ops and slick commercials full of sound bites to lull the masses. People want to know the truth and they know how to use a search engine.
oh and Nasrallah accuses us and them of trying to re-make the Middle East.
he may not be far off.
the coordinates of the UN troop locations in southern Lebanon are public record — the Israelis have them on the maps and in the databases … of course, how do you say “shit happens” in Hebrew?
CTBob at 127:
Not that I would EVER expect you to put life and limb in jepordy for a picture, but wouldn’t it be a great shot to see that body guard attacking you. Filmed, of course, by one of ours!
Don’t you dare even think about it, and I mean that!
lol op99
op99 says “Stephen Parrish, are you Maxfield’s grandson?”
July 25th, 2006 at 3:59 pm
Yes, I am.
Why is it deemed offensive to want joe’s strong connection to the jewish vote to remain in congress?
Politicians seem to have strategies to court the “black” vote… the “hispanic” vote… It is my belief that these dems see joe as a strong pull for the jewish vote.
Why deny the interlocking agenda of Israel and the USA? Why is so much foreign aid being given to Israel and all ultimately ends up in weapons. Why deny that jews, especially orthodox jews have a unique connection to Israel and many consider it their true “home” and accordingly want to see it protected and it’s perceived enemies vanquished… and DO lobby for US support of Israel?
Why is it offensive to mention this?
I cannot find the text of Annan’s remarks, but they are damning. Apparently the UN observers were in constant contact with Israeli forces and they were clearly marked, etc.
My hat is off to Maura for getting inside the ‘Gate’ and asking some intelligent questions of our solons.
That being said, and I do mean it, this:
Senator Boxer is one of the best Democrats in the Senate and one of our strongest women voices in Congress. She’s so much more progressive than just about everyone else in the Senate, and her support for Lieberman does not erase all the good that she has done or nullify her status as a great leader.
is a basic misapprehension of what’s going on here.
Senator Boxer, my senator, embodies everything which is wrong with our current crop of Democrats.
She’s dismissive of the citizenry’s concerns.
She’s ignorant of the facts.
She’s chiefly concerned with her power and how to hold on to it.
She is, in short, everything that ‘Rape Gurney’ Joe is the only difference between them is that she wears a skirt.
That identity of perspective and values is why she is in CT supporting Joe.
Her actions in CT show beyond any doubt that the rot in our political system is pervasive and accepted.
It’s admired even.
But not by me and I would hope that all here would realize that we need to:
‘Bounce Boxer’…
and that’s just for starters.
Just checkin’ in.. still can’t even lurk effectively, but THRILLED to see this topic to savor later, when things calm down here.
[OT(?) still no meaningful response from DeWine or Voinovich, or Sherrod Brown, on the Specter legis-lite.]
Can’t express strongly enuf to ALL you firedawgs how much it means to know so many are still at the grindstone, working away when some of us just can’t.
Special thanks, and deep admiration for moderators of this wonderful blog.
I now have hope . . . .
jus’ sayin’ thanks, BIGTIME!
when push comes to shove, I’ll post as my alter-ego 3sivund
OK. That’s alter enough for me.
John R – great Doonsebury. Too bad he’s not going to spend it buying body armor for troops, paper clips for AUSAs or turning on the lights at Ft. Hood.
OTOH, Rice’s shoes are D*MN expensive.
M/VG – that is very kind of you. It was out of my depth, but I had a few life preservers tossed my way. *g* MattO’s been smokin.
Fe @ 27 posted BB’s letter. Re this snip:
The fact is, I disagree with many of my usual allies on the war since my bill to redeploy troops out of Iraq by the end of THIS year is the toughest redeployment bill out there. As far as I’m concerned, I will stand alone to end this war.
Why doesn’t she realize she doesn’t have to stand alone? We’re here and we’re trying to send people to Congress who’ll stand with her, too. She doesn’t have to cling to someone who won’t stand with her or, more importantly, with the people of CT who oppose the war.
She implies that appearing for Joe is tied to his support for her bill. What a frightening glimpse into the halls of power if Joe’s vote for something as basic as care for soldiers came with a pricetag.
Maura’s point about behaving as a battered spouse is spot on. Too bad Barbara, of whom I am so fond, isn’t ready to disengage herself from the abuser.
Is Jane on the “no spy” list?
fwiw, theres only one Republican Jewish Congresscritter: Rep. Cantor of VA.
Hi, M f/k/a VG. Did you enjoy your vacation? And have you heard about that grant?
For everyone else, another Monty Python Sir Galahadism, courtesy of wikipedia: At the end of the film, he’s thrown into the Gorge of Eternal Peril, for answering the wrong answer about his favorite color (”Blue. No, YELLLOOOOOWWWW!!!”)
Which I take to be the official color of ConnecticutforLieberman.
I just want to add my thanks to everyone who’s doing such sterling work in Connecticut. What is stunning to me is how totally inept Liebermann’s campaign seems to be. The previous thread featuring Jane & Spazeboy is truly unreal – Joe really can’t figure out why people are pissed at him?
Keep up the good work!
Maura, I am sure that BB was stunned that you persisted after her first smackdown – good on you!
This is exactly why Lamont’s campaign is fundamental. New blood is needed. It is not just about Democrats or even progressives … it is about the rot that seeps down even to Sen. Boxer.
Mary @ 184
I have a better question: When is the last time we’ve had and exec. branch without them in it?
BTW, did anyone hear Spazeboy on Colin McEnroe’s radio show today? I didn’t but if there is a way to listen to archives online, I’d much appreciate a link to the show. M/VG
and=an
Yikes, this heat is affecting my spelling
Cynic – “Not that I would EVER expect you to put life and limb in jepordy for a picture, but wouldn’t it be a great shot to see that body guard attacking you. Filmed, of course, by one of ours!”
“OK, so Maura, the plan is for me to annoy Lieberman, then just as the massive bodyguard starts disassembling me, I’ll hand you the camera, and you keep filming.”
Yeah…works for me.
CTBob, Jane, and the other members of the “very special deck of playing cards” in CT:
Surely there are a few less well known behind-the-scenes types who might be willing to step out from behind the curtain and take a few pictures, ask a few questions, and hold up a few signs for the cameras?
Think of it as the anti-Spartacus approach: “No, I’m not CT Bob, ” says the first new face. “No, I’m not CT Bob, either, ” says the second . . .
Leslie in CA, yes, I hereby bequeathe my rights to “nefarious” to you.
Stephen Parrish, How cool. Your grandad’s work was somewhat underrated in his lifetime, but his work is instantly recognizable by the masses today, no small achievement – and well-deserved.
There have been a couple of responses to tom-chicago’s post @26, but I would like to add my own. We cannot change the direction of this country from the top down. It has to come from the bottom up (local elections). G.W. Bush is a lame duck, but Lieberman and his ilk will continue with his policies if they are re-elected. The focus on getting people like Lamont elected is primary. It is NOT just winning elections, it is winning elections with the right people.
Leslie in CA says: “Stephen 205, hope you don’t mind me butting in here – that was one of the ones I considered when I was buying my prints. Really lovely.”
July 25th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
I didn’t mind at all. Looking at that online gallery, I saw a lot of familiar prints; all of them are fine choices.
Support for a fellow Jew is one explanation for Boxer’s unexpectedly strong support as well – ties that bind.
nefarious
knee fairy us
M=VG , I noticed wonderful comments from M over the past few days.) You can M but you can’t hide that special VG so many missed. Sure nice to see you in any equation.
I want the U.S. out of the Middle East. And I want Israel out of the White House.
M, yes I heard the radio interview online (WTIC online), and Spazeboy did good. He was a bit nervous beforehand (he called me just beforehand for some moral support) but he acquitted himself nicely.
Colin McEnroe is very Lamont-friendly and is a big fan of us bloggers. But I think Spazeboy is pretty much done with being a public figure; like most of us, he does his best work behind a camera and a keyboard, not a microphone.
punaise – I don’t know how you do it, and I was born to a family of endless punsters… you are amazing.
while Whiny Joe wears his Torah on his sleeve, Boxer doesnt. Russ Feingold aint exactly a Pentecostal Holy-Roller and he isnt clannishly rushing to bolster Joe…
CT Bob @ 245
I can see it now: Ned Lamont, leaning over the disassembled CT Bob . . .
Ned: CT Bob, you shall not have died in vain.
CT Bob: I’m not quite dead.
Ned: You shall not have been mortally wounded in vain.
CT Bob: I think I’m getting better . . .
Christy @62, Maura, firepups,
Funny, I was just explaining to my mom, another big fan of liberal blogs, how I still love Firedoglake, because this blog is not afraid to go into details about Plameology, the CT race, and other such things that our hosts care passionately about. Of course, it’s their blog, and guests who don’t like the way its run are more than free to go start one of their own, but I think this issue runs deeper than that.
Political discourse in this country has become very, very dysfunctional, and arguably that is the primary reason why morons like Bush can get elected and incompetents are allowed to dominate the top staff politicians. It’s worth keeping in mind that even if the Democrats retake both houses this November, Fox News will still be on the air spreading their disinformation, and the 50% (and growing!) of Americans who believe that Iraq had WMD’s will still be getting their news from the same sources.
What Maura has so courageously done is to deny the cocktail weenie circuit their stranglehold on asking questions of politicians, and getting the word out. Whatever strengths and weaknesses Joe has (and there are many), to me his most distasteful aspect is the way he personifies the Incumbent Party and the neutered media who do so much to support it.
Basically, I’m just trying to say “way to go!” to Maura, Jane, spazeboy and all the others here who are are taking matters into their own hands rather than just waiting for others to start doing their job. There are plenty of places to get shallow but broad coverage. Those of us who crave depth and passion are happy we have the ‘Lake.
no spy list – ROFL
SP,CPA – the pictures you linked are lovely.
op99 says “Stephen Parrish, How cool. Your grandad’s work was somewhat underrated in his lifetime, but his work is instantly recognizable by the masses today, no small achievement – and well-deserved.”
July 25th, 2006 at 4:20 pm
Appreciation of his work has grown since he died in 1966. His illustrations were very popular in the 1920s.
sir galahad anagram:
liar had gas
ember – it’s a curious affliction…. :~)
Peterr #259 – LOL…great, now my certain demise is part of a Monty Python sketch.
Stephen Parrish -
Did any of Maxfield Parrish’s children become artists?
Thanks, op99! I’ll do my best to live up to it. ;)
CTBob,
remember, “It’s just a scratch”.
OT– Ayalon calls Annan’s reaction deplorable and he wants an apology.
CT Bob: I think I’m getting better . . .
“I can still film!”
Mary says “…the pictures you linked are lovely.”
July 25th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
Thank you very much. There are more of his illustrations in other online galleries and/or in books still in print.
Stephen Parrish, 261, underrated by art critics, I should have said.
op99–
What about oP instead? Or go with -ck – and just add a little dash to your life :)
{{{{{{{{Valley Girl}}}}}}}}
StephenParrish: I checked out your grandfathers work at Wiki this morning and was very impressed.
I was cleaning out one of my spare bedrooms for my Mom when I came across a great watercolor I bought several years ago. The artist was James Milton Sessions and he was a Master Watercolor artist. I paid $5.00 for it at a garage sale. He was born in the 1880’s I think and his work was superb…he mostly did pictures of the sea, ships and also military pics. I wonder if your grandfather ever heard of him?
Jenny from the Blog says “Did any of Maxfield Parrish’s children become artists?”
July 25th, 2006 at 4:28 pm
Yes – of his four children, my aunt Jean (1911-2004), his youngest child and only daughter.
egregious, I don’t want Cousin Moe to think I’m ashamed of the family ;)
Punaise – Hard to stop, once you start, I know.
Neuro 106
Bingo!
That’s been nagging at me for days. Yes. Boxer should be so royally pissed that JoLie has dragged her into this.
For that matter, so should Bill Clinton. And to look at his body language on the stage yesterday, he doesn’t feel so kindly toward Joe.
I watched it and rewatched it on TiVo late last night, and Lieberman had his hands all over Clinton, hoping, I guess, for that perfect picture that would counter “The Kiss”.
There even was a time when they both turned around to face the audience and HoJo reached up to either put his hand on Clinton’s shoulder or begin a hug, and when Clinton didn’t respond, he did that quick save you do when you stick out your hand to shake and the other person doesn’t. It was pretty pathetic.
I mean Joe was practically mauling the guy. In the short clip on Hardball, Lieberman clutched at (claimed?) Clinton no less than six times. Only in the last shot, a typical trio shot where all three had their arms around the waists of the others, did Clinton touch Lieberman back.
The most telling moment was when they moved across the stage and Christopher Dodd came into view from the left. Clinton gave him a big old smile and they reached out for a handshake which drew into a hug, Clinton smiling big the whole time.
During this Clinton-Dodd hug, Joementum was blocked from view, but he hugged around them, kind of like a little kid does. Finally Lieberman guided Dodd to the side so Joe could be seen right there in the middle of them.
Then the tableau broke out like this: Clinton and Dodd standing together on the left with Lieberman standing off by himself three or four feet away. He moved back closer so they were a trio again. It was a little sad.
Meanwhile, what’s up with a sitting Senator calling in the big guns for a PRIMARY election? Doesn’t that just scream how much trouble the inclumbant is in?
And, Happy Birthday, Jane!! Hope it’s a good one.
PS: That picture from a thread or two ago: were Lincoln Chafee and Susan Collins separated at birth? They share the same unfortunate nose.
How about Lieberman and Henry Gibson?
I’m going to say this only one time this evening: some comments are skating very, very close to a line of anti-semitism that ought not be crossed. (And I am not pointing to anyone individually at this point, so don’t start arguing with me on this — I’m not in the mood.) Factual arguments and information are perfectly legitimate. Aspersions based on religious or national affiliation? Not going to be tolerated. Don’t make me get peevish.
The answer to every question for Bush and RGJ
Stephen Parrish -
Interesting about your aunt. I gotta tell you, there’s something magic about Parrish. Extraordinary. Thanks again for your most congenial responses.
ACitizen -233 Oh goodness…and I thought I was ticked off at Boxer! FWIW repeated viewings of the video of her furrowed brow, annoyance and pathetic defense of HoJo yesterday & did wonders for my furies.
Stephen Parrish -
This is interesting, although you probably already knew…
Just making sure the tags close now…
DefJef, after delivering your 107, now you want to know “Why is it offensive to mention this?”
Well. Anyone who uses the noun “jew” (especially with that lower-case j) as an adjective automatically tells much more about himself than about his subject.
Mull it. Maybe you’ll get it.
jir, I love Doonesbury. Did you know that Garry Trudeau’s very first published cartoon at Yale was about GWB?
Anne Holliday – hi! did you catch Morris Sheppard at 186?
…and your little dog, too (can you get a shorter handle please? LOL) #278 – yeah, I’ve noticed that the more I look at the BB and JL speeches I taped, the more obvious their body language becomes.
It’s strange to think that there aren’t some kind of political consultants who can bring these “tics and tells” to their attention. Once you get a good read on a person’s tells, they can never lie again without you knowing it.
ccmask says “The artist was James Milton Sessions and he was a Master Watercolor artist. I paid $5.00 for it at a garage sale. He was born in the 1880’s I think and his work was superb…he mostly did pictures of the sea, ships and also military pics. I wonder if your grandfather ever heard of him?”
July 25th, 2006 at 4:32 pm
I don’t know. Here’s one link to some information about him: http://www.rhlovegalleries.com…..25_472.htm
li’l dog, your 278 is magnificent.
Completely OT, but related to elections – I think it’s cool that Republican Pete McCloskey has endorsed Democrat Jerry McNerny against the odious Pombo.
OT – (sorry for Hi-jacking your thread Maura)
Download my interview w/McEnroe -
http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=142796
CT Bob is right, I was nervous just because I am not trying to be some kind of “hero” or public figure…I just want to make a difference. Then again, people who truly make a difference usually don’t have a choice in whether they become a “hero” or public figure.
My ticket was legit. I should have been let in. The ball was totally in Lieberman’s court and if his campaign insists on creating all sorts of problems for itself, so be it. Imagine if I’d been let in?
Oh man, you’d have read the most boring-ass post of your life about how awesome it was to breathe the same air as Big Dog.
Instead, I was treated like dirt and wrote about it.
Hi M. Welcome back.
Spazeboy on Colin McEnroe can be heard here.
Okay, admittedly, I am watching all of this from afar, but here’s my semi-objective two-cent’s worth.
Let me start by saying that JoMo has always given me the willies, and that Ned seems like a nice young chap, a really straight arrow, a smart fellow of obvious integrity – and he seems to deserve the primary win.
That said – and although I am no big fan of Boxer’s – some of the criticism of her seems…hmm…a bit much and a little, dare I say it, undemocratic.
I understand what a disappointment it is, and how thrilling the Waters/Kaptur support has been, but I really think that you have to let Boxer make her own choice. You can disagree and, if you are in her district, withdraw your support, but she obviously has good reasons (to her) for lending support, and she obviously knows how contentious it is.
Like everybody on this thread, I was initially disappointed, but enough is enough. You really have to take seriously her point that, “For 14 years, Joe Lieberman and I have shared an alliance on a range of progressive issues.”
Full stop.
Imagine that Christy and Jane had worked together for 14 years on FDL and, after that time, Jane asked for Christy’s support…even on an issue they didn’t see eye-to-eye on. Does anyone doubt what would happen?
At some point, not allowing Boxer to throw her support behind whoever she pleases smacks a little bit of Joe suggesting that the CT voters can’t throw their support behind whomever they want as their Democratic candidate.
Feel free to support Ned, and to criticize Joe but, surely, at some point, Boxer should be allowed to support her own choice…not ours.
I was just reminded of a bit in the title “Bedlam dreaming of rain”… sorta describes Joe’s campaign tactics, so far… M/VG
NefariLeslie
Republican Pete McCloskey has endorsed Democrat Jerry McNerny against the odious Pombo
Good for Pete. true to his primary campaign promise. (McCloskey is one of the “good guys” – an old school moderate Repub from the Bay Area.)
DefJef, it’s the difference between genetics (ethnicity) and history. None of us can do anything about our genes, ethnicity. All of us have responsibility for our actions and our history.
It sounds to me as though you are making negative statements based on ethnic (genetic) issues. I hope that’s not the case.
What I and others are asking you to do is restate those concerns in historical, not ethnic terms. The nation of Israel’s treatment of the Palistinians has been horrible. The US has enabled and sometimes encouraged this. It’s the behavior we want to change. There are a lot of people in Israel who agree with us.
Jewish Voice for Peace
. . . and your little dog, too @ 4:34 pm (#277) – This may explain why Sen. Boxer was so confrontational. I know that when I’m doing something I don’t want to do, I’m much less inclined to take crap about it.
Freaked-Out Canadian, it’s Bab’s privilege to support whomever she likes, and our privilege to call her out on it. This is politics, not a tea party.
OT – Yowser. Christian Amanpour just ripped Wolf Blitzer’s head off!
Paraphrasing…
Wolf Blitzer: These are very serious allagations made by Kofi Annan…
Amanpour: FOUR OF HIS PEOPLE ARE DEAD!!!!
Hiya, M ; )
M/VG….you could always try “Fille de Vale” or “Muchacha del Valle”
Jenny from the Blog says “This is interesting, although you probably already knew…”
July 25th, 2006 at 4:40 pm
Yes, I did already know. Since it’s been a while since I’ve read what you quoted about Jean Parrish, do you have a link to what you quoted, please?
She lived in Albuquerque, New Mexico for many years; that might explain her predilection for Southwestern landscapes.
“The Nefarious Leslie” is just so you, Les — I love it! (Will you be chuffed if it wanders lhp-ward to “TNL” before long?)
Mighty happy, but in no way surprised, to see Pete McCloskey back (after a well-earned breather) where just he said he’d be, too. Kinda guy he’s always been.
punaise – found it…thanks!
Well, I have to split. It’s way cool we flushed you out M/VG. Glad to see it.
One more time,
Happy Birthday Jane.
See y’all on the next big job.
Stephen Parrish -
With pleasure. I just googled her name and this was the first one I clicked on. There were lots to choose from.
http://tinyurl.com/e7e3f
Cozumel, Kofi Annan must be getting RILL tired of his people getting dead.
Freaked-out, I’m not sure from your comment if you understand how much damage in our opinion Lieberman has done. He’s from a relatively speaking, very liberal (blue) state. Yet he’s been extraordinarily conservative. It’s a double whammy.
Boxer is also from a relatively very liberal (blue) state, and she has been terrific.
What none of us can understand is why she would do this, support Joe.
IMO, it has to do with inoculating herself against national money from conservatives who focus on the most liberal Dems as a way of herding the rest. For example, that money played a key role in unseating Tom Daschle, the former Dem Majority leader.
IMO other Vichy Dems, Feinstein from CA, Schumur from NY are as bad as Lieberman.
JMO.
“where just” = “just where” (dang it)
lotus,
I thought Amanpour was about to cold cock Wolfie right on the air! LOL
Coz 309, well, someone should, lol.
Tom Daschle was in an odd position of trying to be a Leader of a sorta liberal party but his own electoral base was quite shaky and conservative. Short of having public sex with George Bush, Pelosi and Reid have safe seats. Daschle didnt (obviously)
Coz, tis a beautiful thing.
God, that guy’s dim, Coz & op99. I’m constantly embarrassed for him (when I’m not screeching at him).
Freaked out C.-
One of the great things about the YouTube revolution (and heck, I’m still on dial-up) is that people actually get to see how “worthies” like Boxer and Lieberman behave when questioned by ordinary citizens- not just their words, but the body language and so forth. Very telling, I’d say. A lot different from canned interviews on TV, or well-rehearsed speeches. Seems pretty clear that “they” have previously had the upper hand in framing the conversation- and that is all changing… grass roots democracy that cuts out the corporate middle men… they have been sheltered for far to long.
Spazeboy, your being treated like dirt led you and Jane to make a really funny video.
Hey, I’d treat you like dirt anytime for a good video! LOL
op99 says July 25th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Freaked-Out Canadian, it’s Bab’s privilege to support whomever she likes, and our privilege to call her out on it. This is politics, not a tea party.
True enough, but the line between “calling out” and thought police is a fine one.
I think it is better to shine the light of the blogosphare on Ned and Maxine and Marcy than to keep carping on Boxer’s choice. And, for whatever the reason, she is taking for more blogosheat than Bill.
new thread, suckers!
new thread, folks
I’ll never forget the look and sound of Kofi Annan’s saying, “I only had one Sergio” (de Mello).
Good for Ms. Amanpour! I recall how furious Annan was when the Baghdad facility was blown up and some of his best people killed. Of course, that event was during the Stuff Happens phase of the U.S. occupation, and so had nothing to do with the Coalition of the Willing.
op99,
I hope someone who has Crooks and Liars on speed dial can get that video up. Christian was PISSED OFF at Wolfie big time.
OT Al Sharpton just ripped some dingleberry from Dallas talk radio a new one over the furor over having al- Maliki address congress tomorrow. The other guy said he didn’t care about what happens to Iraq and that he only cares about the GWOT and 9/11. Sharpton does not support the crazy dem response and said it is just like bushco’s “schizophrenic” foreign policy and we have Iraqis and our military in harm’s way.
Tweetster agrees with Sharpton.
I’m with op99 @ 310.
Here’s a link to the bombing.
One of the UN people killed today was a Canadian. I’m seriously pissed off.
If I have said anything even close to ‘crossing the line’ of anti-Jewish, I apologize. But I am hot under the collar thinking of even more people dying, women and children dying, U.N. people trying to help the others, killed, and so my anger is spilling out. And there are only 3 actors at which to point. Hezbollah, Israel, and the U.S. In whatever order, and in proportion to the number of dead, one believes appropriate.
Were do citizens take their outrage?
1,200 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hardin Smith:
You, of course, can censor anythin’ you determine to be offensive, racist, sexist…but just as you urge caution on contributors, please exercise care with those comments you flame-out. I had a comment a few dayz ago that got flamed for usin’ the word “Z*****t” (or, rather,”hyper-Z*****t)…I understand how that term may be sensitive to many but I would like to suggest that when you shoot down a comment because of use of a trigger word or phrase, please explain the action and the perceived offense. At least the contributors will be informed of the parameters of acceptable vocabulary.
Also, there are many of us out here who have been non-Jewish supporters of Israel for decades and are sick of bein’ accused of anti-semitism because we disagree with the foreign policy of another nation-state. Furthermore, until we can characterize the extreme right wing of Israeli politics as the fascists that they are and we are able to call “bullshit” on those in this country who are willing to put the interests of another country over our own, there will be no healthy political dialogue in this country on either the middle east or foreign influence of internal US politics.
KEEP THE FAITH, WE RELY ON YOU!!!
angie – saw the Sharpton! he has been so sane it hurts.
and thank you mods for good moderation!
does anyone know the other nationalities of the 4 murdered UN observers?
John Casper @ 307
I am aware, and I understand the stakes, not just in the Primary, but in November.
Lieberman has been duplicitous and self-serving in the extreme, and I think the Lamont campaign is one of the truly great political developments of the decade – the triumph of a new technology and a new level of democratic participation in campaign support, education and financing. It’s one of the reasons I follow the race so keenly, despite our own political issues up here. What’s happening in CT will, I believe, set the new standard for grass-roots political activism.
And I agree with M @ 314 about Boxer’s imperious attitude (and this is hardly the first instance of that).
I am just a little queasy of insisting that anyone support anyone else. It is Boxer’s call to make. And some of the comments (Sonoma @ 34) seemed, to me, to cross the line.
I know the stakes are high, but all the more reason to stick to principles. I wonder what Ned Lamont has said about Boxer? Was he asked?
France, China and Finland.
StephenParrish@288: Thanks! That is exactly what I have–same ships and the same little red dockhouse in the left hand side of the picture. I also noticed that there are two up on auction at e bay. I think it was a good investment. Believe it or not, I swear I had it in the throw away pile until I sat down for a soda (it was really hot Saturday and there is no air conditioning duct in the room) and said, I really like that picture so I’m keeping it. Here is mine http://www.flickr.com/photos/9…..198418946/
lotus at 302, I can handle TNL – good thing my name doesn’t start with R, though! That would be a definite no-no. (At Acronym Finder, the first meaning listed for TNL is Target Nomination List, from the DoD. I think having it stand for me is a much better use of the letters. ;)
The moderation action was for comments made by DefJef (and now happily removed) about members of a religious group. As far as I’ve seen, criticism of the policies which are upheld by a theocratic nationstate which claims to uphold that religion have never been removed. Several of us asked for moderation help on that and the FDL mods who do an awesome job stepped in.
Austria, China, and Finland, siun.
FreakedOutCanadian – you might enjoy the comments Markos made last night on Nightline about blog discussions in which he mentioned that this is a raw medium.
When a politician uses progressives as their base for their election, employment and career and then gets pissy when a progressive asks them a legitimate policy question, it’s not ok and it violates the trust they have previously won … and exploited?
Norske — I pulled the plug on that comment. The conversation was getting heated and in your post you stated that some overseasfolk had consciously studied and used the tactics of Herr Schickelgruber. Such comparisons I believe would be seen as way-over-the-top to some people here. Authoritarian tactics do have similarities throughout history but your phrasing was inflammatory for here …
Jenny@305-Thanks. Great link.
I think the moderation on this subject (and others of course!) has been excellent – moderators have been walking a fine line on a subject where emotions can run high.
I’m still trying to find a 4-star snark in the “droopy has a pep rally” angle. :-)
Lieberman acts like a man who has a lot of dirt on others. Those who pimp for him also act like Lieberman has a lot of dirt on them.
Thank you Angie.
M@314: You are so right. Not only can we blog 24/7 about local events, but with You Tube bringing us uncanned events, it truly maximizes the power of the blogs.
Today, the MSM do not bring us news, they only bring opinions. They openly smirk and the word liberal rolls off their tongues like a curse word. It reminds of Bush and his demeanor at his canned events…if you compare it to the open Mike with Blair last week. The difference is so telling.
So I called Boxer’s office the day after,both in Sacramento and in SF to find out who paid for her trip. They wouldn’t comment! They sounded scared and with that monotone voice you get when you’d really rather be ironing. I told them they were giving the impression that taxpayers paid for Boxer to campaign for Joe. They sent me to her PAC website–which has no phone number. But I emailed from there-asking Boxer to please tell me if money I had donated to her was in fact being used to help her help Joe. I suggest you all go to her PAC page and ask her whose money financed this embarrassment. Then I called Lieberman’s office to ask them to clarify Joe’s position on rape victims and they c/wouldn’t tell me! Said they’d send me policy papers. I suggest you ALL call Lieberman’s office and demand that he publically clarify his position and do it before August 8. Press them–challenge all doublespeak. Don’t just blog–ACT!
CtBob:
Yew can call me “Little Dog”. :)
Lotus 289
Thanks! (Blush)
Maura & Jane:
You guys must be proud.
You succeeded in hounding perhaps your greatest progressive ally, Sen. Boxer. It’s just absolutely amazing to me that you are willing to trash her for one transgression (in your mind). If you read her email regarding her support for Sen. Leiberman, you’ll find her position is rather well thought out. She also acknowledges that there are some out there who disagree with her and she asks people, before judging her, to remember her long track record on progressive issues.
And just so know, today while you debate whether or not Sen. Boxer told the truth (still unbelieveable to me that you’re having this debate), guess where Sen. Boxer was? On the Senate floor, leading the unsuccessful fight, against S. 403, an incidious Republican bill that would criminalize grandmothers who take their grandaughters across state lines to get an abortion, if that grandma didn’t get parental consent first.
The Republicans won this vote 65-34 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00216).
FYI. Leiberman voted against the bill.
I guess these ongoing good deeds aren’t enough for Maura, however. Some people are hard to please.
She’s obviously built up a rapport with Lieberman and feels beholden to him, which would explain her defensiveness when someone casts aspersions on Lieberman’s character, (even if it’s true.) One can only hope she’ll come around.
Fantastic Maura, just simply fantastic. This post is brilliant and your breakdown of Boxer’s insane support of Lieberman and his betrayal of reproductive rights is cutting.
Most importantly, thank you and thank you to Bob for going their and confronting Boxer and Lieberman. I can see the fear in both of their faces when faced by two citizens dedicated to democratic reform. Your involvement in this race is a pricely addition to the cause of progress in America. Thank you.
Stephen Parrish: I’m sorry to hijack the thread, but I’m a fan of your grandfather’s work, having been “converted” by the dazzling Vanderbilt-Whitney murals which I saw on display in a small LA gallery in 2002. I saw the series, in fact, just days before two of the paintings were cut from their frames and stolen. What a shame! Has that crime ever been solved? Feel free to reply offline.
BS Smith said: “[Boxer] also acknowledges that there are some out there who disagree with her and she asks people, before judging her, to remember her long track record on progressive issues”.
I refer you to my posts, BS (#34 & #158).
Maura,
I really appreciated your first person account of your encounter with Barbara Boxer and Joe Lieberman.
From my experiences with Sen. Boxer (not many, and there have been none with Lieberman, thankfully) she acted with you and CTBob pretty much the way she does with anyone who she believes has got the issue or the story wrong. She will interrupt, and she will correct, and she will say her piece, whatever it may be. And yes, it can come across as arrogant — and sometimes ignorant. She’s a little tough that way. (Not to mention, physically minute!)
Generally, however, if there is an issue or story she’s got wrong (as there have been in the past and will be in the future) she will do her best to learn the truth and respond to constituent concerns, though the response may take a while, and she still may be abrupt.
In the case of her support for Lieberman, she sent a letter (copied on this thread here) to constituents explaining her point of view. Is it explanation enough? Well, I still think she’s wrong about Holy Joe, but it does give me more insight into her reasoning than I had before.
And you’ll note that she recognizes how very disappointing her support for Lieberman is to some constituents, and she understands at least part of the reason why. Still, she has her own reasons for supporting Lieberman, says what they are, and we’re all free to agree or disagree.
Seems to me she’s at least trying to be honest and reasonable. It’s not enough, but it’s something more than we had before.
At some point, I really hope she does respond directly to people here, even to those (maybe especially to those) who have taken it upon themselves to insult her, lie about her record, and denounce her progressive credentials. I suspect it would be quite a show!
Cheers
These Senators have had it easy with the MSM. They are not used to answering direct questions from Americans out on the street.
Daily Show is on.
Boxer has been clueless for decades. The only reasson SHE’s still in office is because her Republican challengers have all been flakes who make Bill O’Reilly seem like an elder statesman by comparison.
Stephen Parrish, CPA says:
July 25th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
op99 says “Stephen Parrish, How cool. Your grandad’s work was somewhat underrated in his lifetime, but his work is instantly recognizable by the masses today, no small achievement – and well-deserved.”
July 25th, 2006 at 4:20 pm
“Appreciation of his work has grown since he died in 1966. His illustrations were very popular in the 1920s.”
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SP, CPA -
Hope you don’t mind hearing from another fan of your grandfather’s work.
Your comment about his work being popular in the 1920’s is certainly evidenced by the calendar reproductions of “Ecstacy” and “Waterfall” my mother has (born 1921).
Her father worked for an electrical company in Great Falls, Montana and apparently he brought home the large master company calendars for Mazda (sp?) Lamps that featured reproductions of “Ecstacy” (the 1929 calendar) and “Waterfall” (the 1930 calendar). The prints are quite large – about 15″ x 20″ – and a surprisingly high quality. Mom has loved them ever since Grandpa brought them home and it’s and both my sister and I have loved them all our lives.
They each were recently appraised for $500.00 each. Ha! As if we’re ever going to part with them.
Just wanted to share the story; his work meant a lot to people during the hard years of the Depression – and beyond.
babs’es affection for joe is a matter of religion.
israel uber alles, don’t you know.
can anyone tell me if either one of these individuals have ever made any public pronouncements concerning the israeli espionage agent, jonathan pollard.
if you have forgotten jono, he is the spy who purportedly stole amerikan icb missile targeting data[and a whole lot more…such as the terrorist groups created, armed, nourished by the usa] and delivered it to his spymaster, rafi eitan[mossad].
and those israelis – sustained by amerikan taxpayer transfer payments – sold all that data to the russians.
so, i wonder, have babs or joe ever denounced pollard, submitted legislation cutting the us financial support of israel – a country that provably arranged for traitorous actions against its benefactor?
for both babs and joe, i think that their principal allegiance is to israel. that is the tie that binds them. aipac needs them both in the senate.
turn ‘em out.
chs @ #62….
amen
peas!
Oh, Stephen Parrish, I just got an old (1914) copy of Hawthorne’s Tanglewood Tales because it was illustrated by Maxfield Parrish. Ah! He’s so wonderful.
I’m from California…my spouse-formerly of Connecticut. If we were there and allowed to present a question, I would simply ask Barbara Boxer, “Why?”
Call me cynical, but I suspect that Clinton and Boxer agreed to stump for Joe in return for his promise not to run as an independent.
I emailed her office regarding my amazement that she would stump for someone as clearly opposed to women’s right to choice. I received this letter:
Dear [Name],
Thank you for writing to me about the hotly contested Connecticut primary for Senate.
I am traveling to many states throughout the summer and fall to help Democrats take back the Senate and House. I started yesterday morning at a campaign stop for Senator Menendez and then made appearances for Joe Lieberman in Connecticut before he left for a Bill Clinton rally.
So why did I go to Connecticut? When Joe asked me to tell his constituents about our work together on the environment and choice, I told him I would.
I realize this decision has deeply disappointed you. I completely understand your position and only hope that you will come to understand mine.
For 14 years, Joe Lieberman and I have shared an alliance on a range of progressive issues, especially two that are central to my public service — the environment and choice.
We have worked side by side on the Senate’s Environment and Public Works Committee. When Bill Clinton was President, the stakes weren’t nearly as high. But within hours of President Bush taking office, the environment was under attack.
Believe me, it has not been easy to fight the Bush Administration and the Republicans on this committee who try to undermine the environment, and its supporters, at every turn.
I know that’s not news to you. But what you might not know about is the critical role that Joe has played in this battle.
The fact is, on every single fight I have waged on that committee — from arsenic in the water, to air pollution, to pesticide testing on infants and children, to global warming, to Superfund and much more — Joe has been a stalwart partner and leader.
Joe was the first author of legislation to permanently protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He was one of the first Senators to try to tackle the global warming challenge. The Republicans laughed at his efforts and refused to admit that we were right on this issue. But Joe was undeterred.
And it’s the same with women’s rights, especially choice. Each and every time a woman’s right to choose has come to the Senate floor — including late term emergency abortions — I’ve had a reliable partner in Joe.
He is one of a small handful of Senators who has joined with me both times I have introduced the Freedom of Choice Act, the most strongly pro-choice piece of legislation in the U.S. Senate.
Because of his long record on choice and other important progressive issues, Joe has won the endorsement of organizations such as Planned Parenthood, NARAL, AFL-CIO, the League of Conservation Voters, and the Human Rights Campaign.
Of course, as you rightly point out, Joe and I don’t agree on everything. And nothing has deeply disappointed me more than our complete disagreement on the Iraq War.
The fact is, I disagree with many of my usual allies on the war since my bill to redeploy troops out of Iraq by the end of THIS year is the toughest redeployment bill out there. As far as I’m concerned, I will stand alone to end this war.
Joe and I have virtually no common ground on Iraq except for one thing — we have teamed up to provide comprehensive mental health care for our troops. Our amendment will ensure that our soldiers will not be sent into combat if they have mental health problems, including post traumatic stress, and that they will be able to get mental health help within 72 hours if they need it.
Again, this may sound easy, but the truth is, we had to work very hard to get our mental health amendment to pass the Senate, which it did.
I do not minimize the differences I have on the war with Joe — or any of my colleagues — but as I said, I also have a 14-year alliance on other progressive issues that are important to us, to California, and our country.
I understand that you disagree vehemently with my decision, as is your right. But, on August 8, the Democrats of Connecticut will make their voices heard on Joe’s candidacy, and I will have deep respect for their decision.
Until then, I only hope that you will weigh our differences about this primary campaign against everything that ties us together, and please know that I will continue to work as hard as I can to earn your trust and support.
Best,
Barbara Boxer
Clearly a form letter written by a PAC, but at least she replied, and timely. My next step will be to send her a link to your excellent post, unless you would prefer that I did not. Note: Emphasis mine. She’s clearly indicated that, like the Clintons, she will respect the choice of the Democratic Party primary voters.
Wow. Maura knocks it out the park.
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