
When I went to Sweet Rexie's, a woman-owned small business in Norwalk, to see Barbara Boxer and Joe Lieberman yesterday, I expected her to endorse him. I didn't expect her to call him "Sir Galahad."
At the candy store, a small group of Lieberman supporters was outnumbered by a throng of press with notebooks and cameras. One very sweet protester with a home-made sign stood outside decrying not just the war but the "cronyism" that brought Senator Boxer here to stump for Joe. She, like I, was stunned that Boxer, whose courageous efforts to stand up to the reckless Bush administration have time and again been stymied and undermined by Joe Lieberman, would choose to come here to prop up his candidacy.
Lieberman and Boxer arrived to anemic applause and a crush of cameras. The Sweet Rexie's hosts were great, and the owner of the business was one of the first speakers, talking about the importance of supporting women small business owners.
CTBob took full video of the speeches, so I'm not presenting a full transcript here, just my impressions of what was said. Joe Lieberman then spoke, reflecting on how far women have come in the world and how great it is that women have taken their rightful place in society. He mused that if his mother Marcia (who died last year) had been part of a later generation, she would have been President. He stressed his strong friendship with Boxer and the mutual friendship of their spouses.
When Senator Boxer spoke, she talked about how she was elected during the "Year of the Woman", the same year Bill Clinton was elected. She said that the Democratic women Senators classify their male Democratic colleagues into three categories: Friends, Supporters, and Sir Galahads. Boxer called Joe Lieberman a "Sir Galahad" and complimented him for his support for environmental protection and choice and other issues important to women.
It really stunned me that Boxer would call Lieberman a "Sir Galahad". After all, he had not only let her down but actively worked against her most vociferous and passionate efforts related to election protection, opposition to Condoleezza Rice and other Bush appointees, and just about everything related to this horrible war in Iraq.
When Boxer and Lieberman then invited questions from the crowd, the first one came from a reporter who asked about Boxer's opposition to the war. Her answer to this question shone a new light on the "Sir Galahad" comment. She reflected that while she and Lieberman disagree on the war in Iraq, they can come together and agree on other issues. For example, she said, Lieberman helped to pass her bill related to mental health care for active servicemembers and those returning from Iraq who need mental health care. The bill, she said, would prevent someone with PTSD from being returned to the battlefield. Boxer said that Lieberman helped to corral his pro-war colleagues while she gathered support from her anti-war allies.
As she was speaking, I had to wonder whether Boxer was oblivious to the irony here -- she was praising Lieberman for standing up to help our troops who have suffered mental illness as a result of the war in Iraq, a war that he relentlessly cheerleads for and supports wholeheartedly to this day, despite the lack of substantive progress and the toll in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries, both physical and mental.
The idea that a woman Senator, who I had previously considered so strong and courageous, would consider Lieberman her "knight in shining armor" for such a comparatively paltry deed was stunning to me. Supporting mental health care for our soldiers is the least a cheerleader of the war in Iraq can do. At best, it puts Lieberman in the "not a monster" category, not the "knight in shining armor" category.
At that moment, it seemed to me to illustrate how little progress women have made in the Senate. Lieberman has suggested repeatedly that Democrats who oppose the war are undermining our national security and undermining the future of the party. However chummy they and their spouses may be in private, in public Lieberman has essentially undercut Boxer's authority and questioned her patriotism for criticizing Bush. Yet here she was praising him effusively, calling him "Sir Galahad". I couldn't help but think it analagous to a woman whose spouse badmouths her, undermines her in public, cheats on her, but buys her flowers every once in a while, so she tells her friends he is romantic.
The second question from the assembled group came from CTBob, who asked Boxer about whether she still supports censuring Bush. At this point, Lieberman's handlers must have realized they weren't going to be getting softballs from the throng with cameras, so they abruptly cut off the questions and began to hustle the two Senators out the door.
CTBob got out to the sidewalk before them, so he was able to continue filming. I walked alongside Boxer and Jennifer Medina, a New York Times reporter who was asking Boxer about her opposition to the Senate bill that would criminalize family members and other caring adults who might help minors cross state lines to terminate their pregancies. Since so many women have been dismayed by Boxer's support for Lieberman given his unconscionable comments about EC for rape victims, I asked her what she thought of his position.
I was very surprised when she snapped at me while I was asking the question, not letting me finish. I assumed she knew about the issue and was stunned when she said that Joe Lieberman never said that. When I tried to say that Lieberman was very clear in his opposition to requiring all emergency rooms to offer EC, she chided me for interrupting her (although she set the tone by interrupting me) and then went on to mangle Lieberman's position, saying something like he just wanted hospitals to walk rape victims next door to another hospital, a really bizarre answer. I tried to tell her that Catholic and non-Catholic hospitals in CT are not "next door" to each other (as CTBob's helpful maps show) but she again snapped at me for interrupting her (which I did because what she was saying was utter bullshit - he meant hospitals should walk rape victims next door? Huh?)
I'm not sure I'd characterize my exchange with Boxer as a meltdown on her part. I do think, though, that she's taken on Joe Lieberman's imperious tone and approach to this primary. Joe Lieberman's entire campaign has been characterized by his palpable anger that any Democrats would dare to question him and force him to earn his nomination. He ran commercials saying he wanted to listen to Connecticut voters, but then he never held any public events or open forums at all. When I tried to talk to him at a bar about my dismay that he will run as an independent if he loses, he called it a "set-up" and he called me a "plant". So much for listening.
Boxer, too, could have taken my question as an opportunity to say that she understands the concerns that women have had with Lieberman's position on "principled" reasons to deny EC to rape victims. She could have said that she had heard from many women who were upset about it and she understands why they'd be concerned, but that she had talked to Joe and found out that his position was more complicated than how he had been quoted (or something). Instead, seemed peeved that I'd even dare to bring it up at all. She later snapped at CTBob when he tried to ask a follow-up, saying Bob had "misread" Joe's position. So let's recap, from the New Haven Register:
Lieberman said he believes hospitals that refuse to give contraceptives to rape victims for "principled reasons" shouldn't be forced to do so. "In Connecticut, it shouldn't take more than a short ride to get to another hospital," he said.
How is that open for interpretation? What are the "principled" reasons to deny care to a rape victim? Does Barbara Boxer really think that Joe Lieberman's position here is that Catholic Hospitals are going to start a "Sinner Shuttle" to take rape victims around town to find contraception that they are too "principled" to dispense themselves?
Call me crazy, but with all the criticism Boxer has gotten on FDL and DailyKos about Lieberman and the "short ride" comment, I thought she'd actually want to take the question. If she took the time to listen to our concerns and then had a real exchange about it (rather than shutting us down and rushing away) she might have earned a lot of respect from people who are wondering why she is doing what she is doing. Instead she was peeved and dismissive and essentially told us to shut our traps and do what NARAL and Planned Parenthood tell us to do.
Senator Boxer is one of the best Democrats in the Senate and one of our strongest women voices in Congress. She's so much more progressive than just about everyone else in the Senate, and her support for Lieberman does not erase all the good that she has done or nullify her status as a great leader.
Yet I left my encounter with her yesterday feeling sad, sad that women have apparently made so little progress in politics that we apparently need not only to thank Lieberman for the scraps he throws us, but to call him a knight as well.
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Maura in da HOUSE!
I’m telling you Jane, Politics is just like The Sopranos You can cut the omerta with a knife.
Sure, by rights Boxer should hate Joe Liberman. But you know what?
She hates YOU more!
She hates anyone willing an able to challenge the status quo and none of us should ever forget it.
Senator Boxer is my senator, and today I received my official letter from her office trying to explain why she is stumping for Holy Joe, and that she understand that this is greatly disappointing to many of us (her constituents).
The letter did not explain why if he’s such a great supporter of so many of the causes that she champions, why he goes on national TV and radio every chance he gets to run down fellow Dems like herself.
I opened up my copy of the JI this morning, and all the opinions and editorials were critical of Bush and his administration. I turned the page, and every letter that was not about little league was a republican whining about how we shouldn’t speak out against the war and we should support our prez. I wanted to ralph! Journal Inquirer has a webpage, and takes letters there. We should send them some good ones!
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Now for your Orwellian thought of the day, courtesy of the Mashing Massge Monkey himself, The Great Decider, George W. Bush:
“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace. ” George W. Bush, (June 18, 2002, speech)
-GSD
‘ear!
“Friends, Supporters, and Sir Galahads”?
Obviously, a supporter is not as close as a friend. Is a Sir Galahad one step down from a supporter? Didn’t Sir Galahad seduce Queen Guinivere when King Arthur was away? Seems to me a Sir Galahad could be the kind of guy who’s patronizingly supportive but clueless about women politicians.
Sir Galahad. OK, in that case, I’m Audrey Hepburn.
please keep asking the questions Maura. you provide a breath of fresh air that i wish reporters would emmulate
Great work, Maura - hang in there.
Not a sweet tooth in the house yesterday. What irony.
Yet I left my encounter with her yesterday feeling sad, sad that women have apparently made so little progress in politics that we apparently need not only to thank Lieberman for the scraps he throws us, but to call him a knight as well.
By the way, Maura, this is absolutely brilliant. I just wish it weren’t do damn true.
thanks *ilson
Maura steps up again! Thanks!
Very disappointing behavior from Sen. Boxer. Why doesn’t the Lieberman campaign engage those with questions instead of acting like they are all “protesters?” And what is wrong with being a protester? Wouldn’t it be more productive to engage people in conversations instead of shutting them out and acting like they’re just rude to question received wisdom? kudos to you Maura, for your respective questioning of the senators . . .and more so for keeping your temper when they were being just plain rude. I would never have expected such rudeness from Boxer: how very very disappointing.
Oh, and it was Lancelot who Guinevere had her affair with, not Galahad. I think.
The battle between Lamont and Lieberman is a struggle for the heart and soul of the Democratic party. But more than this, it is a struggle for our children and the legacy we will leave to them. And no matter the outcome of this most critical election in Connecticut, this pitting of right and wrong will continue for the next twenty-four months or so. It is a struggle, and an essential choice between the concept, rooted in three letters: FDR or DLC. May the good people of the great state of Connecticut choose to choose, compassion over politics.
Thanks, Maura. Great piece, and great work. Boxer was quite condescending, I thought, intimating that the questioners were wrong about Joe’s record and statements. I’m not from CA, so I haven’t seen Boxer in action, but is this the usual tone she takes, you CA folks? And, Maura, BTW, who was the guy in the video who shut the doors on you all as Boxer and Lieberman were being hustled away down what looked like a concrete tunnel?
maybe it was just me, but the impression i got from listening to boxer’s defense of joe’s stance on emergency contriception was that she was trying to suggest that what joe really meant was that the DOCTOR could just “walk next door” to get the victim the medication they need.
in any case, between the uncharacteristly peeveish manner and the stumbling around in her response she seems like she is obviously trying to cover joe’s ass, and not doing a very good job of it.
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Maura,
Bless you and your energy, talent and the work you do…you are another of the FDLers who are role models of citizenship for my college student daughters.
Boxer’s response to you and her obvious awareness of the “rape gurney” issue was in fact a melt down and exposes how much of a bubble she and other elected Democrats in the Senate club inhabit. She ,in fact didn’t hafta call Joe a “Sir Galahad”, she didn’t even hafta answer questions…she coulda showed up, given a generic pro-Democrat statement and left…like Bill Clinton did. Instead, she exposed herself to scrutiny of all her public positions including her opposition to the war.
Like I have said before, I used ta like Boxer and I still think that there is hope fer her. We jest hafta understand that her learnin’ curve is pretty shallow…she needs ta get screwed a few times by guys like Lieberman before she realizes that nobody has unzipped their pants.
KEEP THE FAITH, THEY’RE MORE AFRAID OF YOU THAN YOU NEED TO BE OF THEM!!!
Outstanding post, Maura, and fantastic job on the ground in CT.
Melissa must be right about Lancelot. Curse my inferior memory of the King Arthur story.
Look, I love the “hate Lieberman” fest and he does richly deserve this, but meanwhile, we’re giving Bush and Isreal a pass on the destruction of the entire world, beginning in the Middle East.
The CT senate race is important but I feel like it’s hijacked the entire FDL board.
It’s your board and be my guest.
But here’s a thoroughly depressing development: the bombs our tax dollars are buying Israel contain depleted uranium. So when you start seeing deformed Lebanese babies, you’ll know why.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m25.....=1&l=e
Depleted Uranium Situation Worsens Requiring Immediate Action By President Bush, Prime Minister Blair, and Prime Minister Olmert
Dr. Doug Rokke, PhD., former Director, U.S. Army Depleted Uranium project
July 24, 2006
The delivery of at least 100 GBU 28 bunker busters bombs containing depleted uranium warheads by the United States to Israel for use against targets in Lebanon will result in additional radioactive and chemical toxic contamination with consequent adverse health and environmental effects throughout the middle east.
Today, U.S., British, and now Israeli military personnel are using illegal uranium munitions- America’s and England’s own “dirty bombs” while U.S. Army, U.S. Department of Energy, U.S. Department of Defense, and British Ministry of Defence officials deny that there are any adverse health and environmental effects as a consequence of the manufacture, testing, and/or use of uranium munitions to avoid liability for the willful and illegal dispersal of a radioactive toxic material - depleted uranium.
The use of uranium weapons is absolutely unacceptable, and a crime against humanity. Consequently the citizens of the world and all governments must force cessation of uranium weapons use. I must demand that Israel now provide medical care to all DU casualties in Lebanon and clean up all DU contamination.
U.S. and British officials have arrogantly refused to comply with their own regulations, orders, and directives that require United States Department of Defense officials to provide prompt and effective medical care to “all” exposed individuals. Reference: Medical Management of Unusual Depleted Uranium Casualties, DOD, Pentagon, 10/14/93, Medical Management of Army personnel Exposed to Depleted Uranium (DU) Headquarters, U.S. Army Medical Command 29 April 2004, and section 2-5 of U.S. Army Regulation 700-48. Israeli officials must not do so now.
They also refuse to clean up dispersed radioactive Contamination as required by Army Regulation- AR 700-48: “Management of Equipment Contaminated With Depleted Uranium or Radioactive Commodities” (Headquarters, Department Of The Army, Washington, D.C., September 2002) and U.S. Army Technical Bulletin- TB 9-1300-278: “Guidelines For Safe Response To Handling, Storage, And Transportation Accidents Involving Army Tank Munitions Or Armor Which Contain Depleted Uranium” (Headquarters, Department Of The Army, Washington, D.C., JULY 1996). Specifically section 2-4 of United States Army Regulation-AR 700-48 dated September 16, 2002 requires that:
(1) “Military personnel “identify, segregate, isolate, secure, and label all RCE” (radiologically contaminated equipment).
(2) “Procedures to minimize the spread of radioactivity will be implemented as soon as possible.”
(3) “Radioactive material and waste will not be locally disposed of through burial, submersion, incineration, destruction in place, or abandonment” and
(4) “All equipment, to include captured or combat RCE, will be surveyed, packaged, retrograded, decontaminated and released IAW Technical Bulletin 9-1300-278, DA PAM 700-48″ (Note: Maximum exposure limits are specified in Appendix F).
This is the text of the letter received by me and Oaktown Girl at 6 from Senator Boxer:
Dear FE,
Thank you for writing to me about the hotly contested Connecticut primary for Senate.
I am traveling to many states throughout the summer and fall to help Democrats take back the Senate and House. I started yesterday morning at a campaign stop for Senator Menendez and then made appearances for Joe Lieberman in Connecticut before he left for a Bill Clinton rally.
So why did I go to Connecticut? When Joe asked me to tell his constituents about our work together on the environment and choice, I told him I would.
I realize this decision has deeply disappointed you. I completely understand your position and only hope that you will come to understand mine.
For 14 years, Joe Lieberman and I have shared an alliance on a range of progressive issues, especially two that are central to my public service — the environment and choice.
We have worked side by side on the Senate’s Environment and Public Works Committee. When Bill Clinton was President, the stakes weren’t nearly as high. But within hours of President Bush taking office, the environment was under attack.
Believe me, it has not been easy to fight the Bush Administration and the Republicans on this committee who try to undermine the environment, and its supporters, at every turn.
I know that’s not news to you. But what you might not know about is the critical role that Joe has played in this battle.
The fact is, on every single fight I have waged on that committee — from arsenic in the water, to air pollution, to pesticide testing on infants and children, to global warming, to Superfund and much more — Joe has been a stalwart partner and leader.
Joe was the first author of legislation to permanently protect the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He was one of the first Senators to try to tackle the global warming challenge. The Republicans laughed at his efforts and refused to admit that we were right on this issue. But Joe was undeterred.
And it’s the same with women’s rights, especially choice. Each and every time a woman’s right to choose has come to the Senate floor — including late term emergency abortions — I’ve had a reliable partner in Joe.
He is one of a small handful of Senators who has joined with me both times I have introduced the Freedom of Choice Act, the most strongly pro-choice piece of legislation in the U.S. Senate.
Because of his long record on choice and other important progressive issues, Joe has won the endorsement of organizations such as Planned Parenthood, NARAL, AFL-CIO, the League of Conservation Voters, and the Human Rights Campaign.
Of course, as you rightly point out, Joe and I don’t agree on everything. And nothing has deeply disappointed me more than our complete disagreement on the Iraq War.
The fact is, I disagree with many of my usual allies on the war since my bill to redeploy troops out of Iraq by the end of THIS year is the toughest redeployment bill out there. As far as I’m concerned, I will stand alone to end this war.
Joe and I have virtually no common ground on Iraq except for one thing — we have teamed up to provide comprehensive mental health care for our troops. Our amendment will ensure that our soldiers will not be sent into combat if they have mental health problems, including post traumatic stress, and that they will be able to get mental health help within 72 hours if they need it.
Again, this may sound easy, but the truth is, we had to work very hard to get our mental health amendment to pass the Senate, which it did.
I do not minimize the differences I have on the war with Joe — or any of my colleagues — but as I said, I also have a 14-year alliance on other progressive issues that are important to us, to California, and our country.
I understand that you disagree vehemently with my decision, as is your right. But, on August 8, the Democrats of Connecticut will make their voices heard on Joe’s candidacy, and I will have deep respect for their decision.
Until then, I only hope that you will weigh our differences about this primary campaign against everything that ties us together, and please know that I will continue to work as hard as I can to earn your trust and support.
Best,
Barbara Boxer
This feels so conflicted. I read this to be that there seems to be almost a moral obligation being borne by Boxer to stand behind Lieberman no matter what the cost to her own status. Not being up for re-election this year, she has nothing to lose and will make it up to us somehow before her term comes up again in 08.
And that’s what I think Lieberman is banking on.
Sharkbabe @11
Sir Galahad. OK, in that case, I’m Audrey Hepburn.
Ooh ooh, I wanna be Julie Newmar. I always thought she was soooo statuesque.
That’s a great post, Maura. Even handed, and to the point.
Does Boxer know how clueless she sounds? Does she need to fire staff or advisers?
do you think Dems should be concerned about replacing a strong contender -Lieberman - with a maybe not so strong one against a GOP candidate - an unknown? Personally i think that’s why some Dems will support Joe - to keep the seat even if he ain’t perfect.
Maura!!!!!!!!
OT - One up, One Down.
IL Dist Ct buys the state’s secret argument for dismissal.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....ds_lawsuit
“She reflected that while she and Lieberman disagree on the war in Iraq, they can come together and agree on other issues”.
It is an obscenity when war is measured in the conventional terms of political horsetrading.
I voted for Boxer when she first ran for the House. Indeed, in every congressional election thereafter. I say without hesitation that her endorsement of Lieberman represents the greatest (personal) political betrayal of my lifetime.
The woman is vile.
Maura - Great post and great questions!
Thank you for all you are doing!
Having seen the Boxer pro-Lieberman venom up close at YKOS, I really admire your chutzpah!
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M:
The phrase elludes to thinkin’ you are gettin’ somethin’ and lookin’ forward to it (like havin a tab picked up for dinner) but findin’ out that there’s a charge on yer credit card.
KEEP THE FAITH, THIS STUFF AIN’T NUKLEAR PHYSIXX…ANYBODY KEN DO IT!!!
Boxer and Clinton both showed up to protect the “Incumbent Party”. Their loyalty to the “Incumbent Party” trumps their loyalty to their voters, their party and their country. Watch and learn.
Calling Joe Lieberman “Sir Gallahad” served only to bring up the images of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, particularly one scene in which Sir Gallahad faces great peril . . .
In searching for the cup from which Jesus shared the wine of the last supper, our hero Gallahad finds himself in a castle filled with nubile, sex-starved young maidens. They come on to him - a rather bewildering experience to Gallahad - and assure him that they indeed have the grail for which he searches. Just as Gallahad is about to succumb to their wiles, Sir Lancelot breaks in and rescues Gallahad. Outside the castle, Gallahad argues with his brother in arms:
Monty Python will never be the same . . .
Kitty @ 31
The GOP candidate was polling around 13% for the Generals. I think it is safe to say that my cat could beat him if she ran as a Dem in CT.
Lamont is perfectly safe.
kitty,
the problem is that Lieberman is a lot less than not perfect. Nobody’s perfect, but CT is a very safe D seat, and Lieberman has taken lots of positions that side with corporatism against Jane Q. Public.
Some of that is acceptable from Senator Nelson of NE. But from a Senator from CT? No way.
BC
“Sir Galahads”? I might expect this from Blanche Lincoln or Mary Landrieu, but isn’t there something incredibly cheesy and “eek kill that bug for me” about this?
Just great!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200....._observers
BEIRUT, Lebanon - A U.N. observer post was hit by an Israeli airstrike in south Lebanon Tuesday, causing casualties, a U.N. spokesman said. He could not specify how many or their condition.
-snip-
for shame, Babs, for shame. you just don’t get it, do you? I am utterly disappointed in you.
(Was going to copy/paste her email response to my fax and email a while back, but Fe at 27 beat me to it).
Maura, WOW. Not only are you full of Celtic courage and smarts, but you write like a dream too! Every time you deploy all these gifts for or share them with us … well, it just feels like a birthday.
You go!
OT 1 — CNN: 4 UN observers killed by Israeli bombing.
OT 2 — I posted this late last thread but should have made a bigger deal of it:
CAUGHT ON TAPE: Tom Friedman’s Shocking Admission (by David Sirota)
Except for that kerfuffle about slavery and the war of rebellion, President Jefferson Davis is such an old-fashioned gentleman!
Sir Gala-had-enough?
Yeah, and really I thought Boxer “writing” a novel was kinda cheesy too. That was what first tipped me off that she was ??? not all that I had thought.
Sir Gal, a has been
Has anyone seen Joe’s new line of rape gurneys?
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grandmatoo:
What you say, woman!!! Boxer and Clinton show us that this race really is for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party and will shift the power-dynamic that has been in the hands of the corporatists since 1980. When Lamont wins, the old guard will raise a toast “The king is dead, long live the king!” and move in behind wherever the power is.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BE DISAPPOINTED… BE MAD AS HELL AND VOTE THAT WAY!!!
tom - chicago:
Jane and Christy have been quite clear about their decision to post about the issues they are knowledgeable on - and to let the other blogs with more expertise on the middle east to cover those issues. They also have welcomed and supported the ongoing discussions by the FDL community on Lebanon and Iraq and more. And the discussion has been lengthy and good. I appreciate their hospitality as well as their important focus and work on unseating Lieberman who is a primary supporter of all these horrors. Seems to me that Jane and Christy and all are actually *doing* something to change the dynamic and that is what counts.
They try to paint us as the rabid left, but I think we show our true populist colors by reflecting the mood of the country. Throw the bums out. It isn’t just about the Democratic party, it’s about Congress as a whole. The blogs are energizing progressive value voters, because that’s what we are promoting. Our values are more important than the political posturing of the Democratic leadership.
punaise -
If Lieberman is Sir Gallahad, does that make the Big Dog Sir Had-a-gal?
Gotta get with the medieval lingo . . .
Kitty@31 and BC@40
Not even the Nelson twins or Mary Landrieu or Mark Pryor defended Rumsfeld after Abu Grahib. Several Republicans–McCain, Hagel, Warner, Graham–came as close as they politically could to calling for his resignation, JoMo said that Abu Grahib wasn’t a big enough deal–and of course, he said so on Al-Foxeera.
There was also a story a few days ago that I haven’t been able to find again, about Lieberman leading the charge against small investors in favor of big institutional holdings at the SEC. And Colin McEnroe said the only reason he didn’t vote for Alito was b/c polling in CT was already making him mind his Ps and Qs.
He. Is. Not. A. Good. Democrat.
Sharkbabe? (he inquires, quietly)
And it’s the same with women’s rights, especially choice. Each and every time a woman’s right to choose has come to the Senate floor — including late term emergency abortions — I’ve had a reliable partner in Joe.
I want to ask her how she feels about him helping, by inaction, to get Alito onto the court, but I doubt that she gets it.
Peterr, indeed. I picture Joe more in the Lancelot Link mode.
CNN says they are going to have a statement soon from John Bolton about the UN observers that got shelled and killed. He probably phoned in the coordinates to the Israelis…
Shorter Lieberman on Rumsfeld: Don’t change horsemen in the middle of the Apocalypse.
(I saw that comment somewhere, could have been here or over at the General.)
And speaking of Sir Galahad, here’s what King Arthur himself sang in Camelot (. . .in the Joe Liberman production of course):
“How to handle a woman?
There’s a way,” said the wise old man,
“A way known by ev’ry woman
Since the whole rigmarole began.”
“Do I flatter her?” I begged him answer.
“Do I threaten or cajole or plead?
Do I brood or play the gay romancer?”
Said he, smiling: “No indeed.
How to handle a woman?
Mark me well, I will tell you, sir:
The way to handle a woman
Is to fuck her over…simply fuck her over…
Merely fuck her over…fuck her over…fuck her over>”
United Nations Committee for Lebanon’s Emancipation: the man from U.N.C.L.E.
tom-chicago at 26 — you know, not to be a crab about this, but we’ve done quite a bit of coverage on what is going on in the middle east, both on Iraq and Afghanistan and the current issues with Lebanon and Israel. Jane and I have both said any number of times that neither of us are experts on this, and have pointed people to numerous sites which do exceptional coverage on these issues. All you have to do is click on the Iraq, Iran, foreign policy and other category links at the side to find superb guest posts that have appeared here, including a particularly fine one from Billmon (from last week!), whose writing on these issues has really blown me away of late.
We are not, nor do we want to be, a blog that serves as a news wire service. If that’s what people want, then I suggest the AP website or CNN. Jane and I cover the issues about which we are passionate and well informed and which are of interest for any number of reasons, and we try to bring in guest posters who have expertise to cover other areas where we are personally lacking.
But we will never, ever be a blog that covers all things for all people. It is not our way. And as Jane is expending quite a bit of her own money and time to stay in CT through the primary, and cover a race that she feels is very important — not just to CT, but in shaping the Democratic party’s future — and as this is her blog, I think she’s pretty much allowed to write about it whenever she damn well pleases.
And if people aren’t happy with that, there are only a bazillion other blogs out there that cover a bazillion other issues every single day. I read the things that interest me elsewhere, and pick and choose, depending on my interest, and I would suspect that everyone else does the same as well. But, really, if there is an issue about which you or someone else feels passionate, and you feel it is essential that people talk about it…well, that’s as easy as starting your own blog.
But don’t expect either Jane or I to drop everything and come running to a topic about which we have repeatedly said we are less than fully well versed — it would be neither appropriate nor helpful, which is why the posts I have done on the subject thus far have been more summary and big picture in nature, and have related most of all to the political farce of the Bush Administration’s policies. If you want ME intricacies and politics, may I suggest Juan Cole, Billmon, Swopa, Gilliard, Wolcott, AJ at Americablog, Laura Rozen, and all the other experts out there that are too numerous to list in full. You’ll get much more bang for your buck.
And I apologize to Maura for the length of this, but I have had it with people telling me what I ought to be covering on the blog, when I work my butt off to just produce the coverage that I do on a day to day basis (as does Jane, for that matter), and have any time around the edges for my family and myself. This is neither easy nor remotely financially rewarding, but I do it for the good of my child and my country — and I think having the leeway to contribute on issues where I feel I can have the most impact ought to be MY decision.
Who is watching the Candy Store?
Lieberman is really fighting to keep his Payday and needing some more of them 100 Grand Bars…..Sen Sen Boxer showed up to help out with her Bits O’ Honey….Lieberman stood closely by shaking his head in exasperation while fingering his Candy Buttons on Paper Tape rolled up in his suit pocket and looking like he was earlier sampling a slice of Cry Baby Extra Sour Gum. Its like they are living in a Nonpareils universe.
The Big Hunk, Joe’s Sugar Daddy, showed up to take the heat off of any Atomic Fire Ball questioning. Jane & Spazebot (M & Ms Plain and Peanut) arrive on the scene, held back by a Gobstopper, brought in to fight back the liberals. Although their tickets were Good and Plenty, they were denied entrance, like they were a couple of Horehounds. This Razzles Jane, who Snickers, because she knows that Joe is taking his cues from the Jolly Rancher but not everyone knows that Jane is on a Marathon Bar. Jane will be serving her revenge later on, with a side of Lik M Aid Fun Dip. Meanwhile, Lamont is doubling his Red Hot Dollars. It’s gonna be a Rocky Road until Lamont is elected…
Sonoma at 34 — You said “The woman is vile.” I think that is way too harsh. I think, in this case, Boxer thinks of this as helping out a friend (Lieberman) and not about the impact that the dissonance between his positions and hers would have on her supporters. I disagree with Boxer’s support of Lieberman — I think it is ill-informed, for a number of reasons - but she has been an exceptional voice in the Senate on a whole host of women’s issues, and I think we would do well to think more in terms of educating her and those like her inside the beltway bubble (Schumer, for example), than throwing the baby out with the bathwater altogether. Just my two cents.
ccmask:
my first solo 707!
Thanks!
kitty at 31 — actually, Ned Lamont is polling even with Lieberman in a 3-way race, with the republican polling a very, very distant third. So, in answer to your question — NO.
I have no idea what solo 707 is…
Maura,
When I saw the footage of you questioning Boxer I was struck by your unflappable poise. You were calm, but persistent and you immediately came back with your follow-up even as she was dismissing you imperiously and rudely.
I thought you were a real pro. Dogged and gracious and you came out smelling like a rose. Wish we had more like you.
Oh, and gee wiz, what’s the big deal about about a pesky war? Between friends what’s a little mayhem, torture and murder? Move along, folks, Joe got the NARAL endorsement. /snark
Christy- thanks- and, BTW, the suggestion “start your own blog” is a great one for anyone who takes you to task for not following “all/ their” issues. Also, Siun had a nice response earlier too, but you may have been typing while that was posted. It is so unfair to criticize you and Jane because you’re not following “some particular issue” in the depth that “someone” would like”. And, both of you are ever giving us directly practical advice as to how to follow up on issues (and commenters too). That is a great strength of this site.
#65,
Zagnut very excellent.
M at 47 — having written quite a bit of fiction myself, I’m wondering why Boxer writing a novel seems odd to you? Because she is a sitting Senator — or because you didn’t like the novel? Just curious — because I think creative work is incredibly helpful for me in any number of areas, including in helping to distill thoughts on a lot of the political writing I do.
ccmask 63 - Sweet!
707 is an upsidedown LOL, having fallen over backwards in one’s chair
Stephen Parrish, are you here? I have a response to your comment.
Jim @ 41:
“Sir Galahads”? I might expect this from Blanche Lincoln or Mary Landrieu, but isn’t there something incredibly cheesy and “eek kill that bug for me” about this?
What a buzzkill to discover that the women Senators in my country are nothing more than a pack of Damsels In Distress just waiting to be saved by the big strong male Senators. Blech.
Now that I think about it, Biden got a bar, Boxer got a candy store. Why didn’t Lieberman take her a pretty flower garden? Wouldn’t want our fragile lady to get a case of the vapors or anything.
what punaise said.
Sir Gonadless v. Goneds
Christy, when do you expect the next installment from Howie?
ifthethunderdon’tgetya …
that’s a line from one of the wonderful Betty Bower’s bumberstickers (Betty also promotes several other stylish lines of products):
http://www.cafepress.com/bettybowers.10155491
Betty is “america’s best christian”
What punaise said.
Wait… what did punaise say? :)
Jenny ftB - LOL tipping back in my chair
M #21 “…who was the guy in the video who shut the doors on you all as Boxer and Lieberman were being hustled away down what looked like a concrete tunnel?”
M, I was holding the camera, and I am absolutely positive that the guy was “Jelly” from the Billy Crystal movie “Analyze This”.
Did you see the size of the hands on that guy? That’s why I was worried about shitting myself…while I was pestering Joe, I could see him scowling out of the corner of my eye, and I was waiting for Joe to point at me and give him the finger-across-the-throat sign.
I would’a been a grease spot by the time he was finished!
oh, okay…I thought it was a private club or something…707. BTW Wiki doesn’t list the 707 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....rnet_slang
heehee, punaise.
ifthethunderdontgetya at 59: I used the “change horsemen” phrase in a comment here a couple of nights ago, but I didn’t originate it; someone out there in web-land came up with it during the 2004 election.
HATS OFF TO CCMASK!
Dang, you sweeeeet!
CT Bob — you were quite brave. And thank you so much for putting together all that fantastic information on CT hospitals — that was citizen journalism at its very best. :)
1,220 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hardin Smith,
You don’t need ta defend the blog to Tom-Chicago (or anyone else) but your doin’ so is classy and helps remind folks that FDL is not all things ta all folks. FDL is jest one of the essential cogs in the great blogosphere machine.
As for your tryin’ ta put Boxer’s actions in some kinda perspective, I would like to respectfully suggest that Sonoma’s anger is essential for Boxer ta hear and if she doesn’t hear it and doesn’t make a move to acknowlege that she hears it, then “the woman IS vile” and isn’t a progressive politician worthy of support.
KEEP THE FAITH, WE’VE ALWAYS GOTCHER BACK!!!
Sir Galahad?!?
Mmmmm, not so much, I’m thinking The Black Knight
John in Sac’to (or Roseville),
HoJo: “…come back here! I’ll spit on you!”
BC
And I’m thinking of the Knights who say “NEEEEEEE!”
Jenny from the Blog says: “Stephen Parrish, are you here? I have a response to your comment.”
July 25th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
Yes, I’m here.
In support of Christy and Jane’s right to write about whatever hell they care to write about. Since when is this a public access channel or a community service board? Also: you can make those checks out to The Fire Dog Lake Company….
Well the Israelis were blowing up Red Cross vehicles last week, what’s a UN outpost or 2? Heck we’re lucky they don’t suspect our US naval vessels of ferrying arms to Hezbollah, they might attack us too.
But hitting a UN outpost sends a not so subtle signal to Europe. Try to interfere in our ethnic cleansing by inserting a peacekeeping force into Lebanon, and we (Israel) might just keep on bombing you. (It is of course possible that it was an accident.)
Because he doesn’t know when he’s beat
OT
Great! Now half of us are farking stupid!!!
50% in US think Iraq had WMDs
http://rawstory.com/
David,
“We are no longer the Knights who say ‘Ni’. We are now the Knights who say, ‘Icky, icky, icky, pootang zoom-boy!’”
Which aptly sums up my feelings about HoJo…
BC
1,220 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
john in sacramento:
“…er, roseville”, is that Roseville, Minnesota?
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE BASTARDS IN YER YARD!
Great stuff, Maura!
I had a comment that was double-secret EPU’ed on the Boxer thread a couple of days ago, which I think is relevant. Since you were actually there, and I’m just judging based on video, maybe you have more insight on whether this is an accurate assessment:
Christy 71- fair question. I’m not sure my response at the time was “rational”, but I’ll try to explain as best I can. It’s just that at