
So, I paid all my bills for July. For what may the first time in my adult life, everything says "Current Balance Due: $0.00". Well, with the exception of my student loans, which I will be paying until I die. But other than that, I’m caught up, zeroed out, solvent, with a little bit of money to spare. So, I decided to treat myself to something.
I came to the world of cell phones only reluctantly, and only as recently as February of this year. Up to that point, I had thought people were being a bit silly about their cell phones. EVERYBODY has to have one and they’re using them ALL THE TIME. But then I ended up in a few of those situations. You know the ones. You’re supposed to meet a friend at their house and you get there and their car is there and it looks like they’re home, but they can’t seem to hear you knocking. You’ve knocked and knocked. The doors are locked. If you had a cell phone, you could call them and see what’s up. Otherwise, you have to go allllll the way back home and call them from there.
Or:
You’ve volunteered to go get dinner for you and a friend. The place you’ve gone is closed or doesn’t have what your friend wants. A change of plans is necessary. With no cell phone? You’ve got to go back and re-convene. Or guess.
Or finally:
You, like me, drive an old used car that exists in a permanent state of questionable health. You’re driving between towns in the middle of the night and the headlights suddenly seem…dimmer. Then the air-conditioner cuts out. Your ALTERNATOR is dying! With no cell phone? You’re stuck on the side of the road waving your arms hoping to flag down someone who DOES have a cell phone.
So, yeah. Right around six months ago, it occured to me that yes, if fact, it might be time to get a cell phone.
Trouble is, they’re so damn ugly.
Remember the dawning days of the digital watch?

Mmmmm. Clunky.
This is kind of where I feel like we are with the cell phone. There’s a bunch of different companies, and yet their products seem to be so impressed with themselves for being phones at all that they’re content to do just that while being about as aesthetically appealing as a cold sore.
Which is what has made Motorola’s RAZR phone the most sought-after little piece of status technology in the country. It’s a cell phone that actually seems to have been designed to look cool. It’s matte. It’s compact. It’s kind of sexy. And for now, in spite of the fact that it’s notoriously fragile, user-unfriendly, and has dodgy speakers, it’s Number One.
And yeah, okay, they’re kind of cool. If you want the Same Cool Phone that Everybody Else Has.
And here’s where my truly obsessive nature comes in. I wanted a new cell phone. I wanted a cool cell phone. Not a Crackberry multiple-use interface, not a home video center and editing suite, not an MP3 player and fax machine. Just something that works and has a little style to boot. I looked at the options for upgrading through my cell provider.
Ick. No thanks. They’re all RAZR’s, home video editing suites, or what look like especially fugly pieces of extreme sports equipment.
So, I started just randomly browsing cell phone companies to see what I could find. And learned some very interesting things along the way, which is really the whole point of this post.
Nokia lost major market share to Motorola and an influx of new brands like Korea’s LG and the emergence of brands like Samsung in the cell phone market. Nokia’s original response was to see if they could design the next big Must-Have Luxury Item. Design head Frank Nuovo supervised the roll-out of Nokia’s super-thin, all-stainless, slide screen 8800 model. The phone? Lovely. Ring tones composed by Japanese avant-garde musician Riyuichi Sakamoto. Carefully integrated deluxe features. The price? $700. And there’s the problem. Nuovo seems to think elitist is good. In fact, he sounds like kind of a snotty prick in this 2005 NPR interview. If he’d said the word "premium" one more time, he would have sounded like a gas station cashier.
The phone was a mild success, but mostly tanked. Too expensive. Nuovo was taken out as design head and replaced by Alastair Curtis, a Royal College of Art graduate who brought in new designers and a fresh set of priorities. Meanwhile, inexplicably, the 8800 suddenly took off with a surprise population. The Russian mafia.
One of the things we observed [with the 8800] was the huge uptake in Russia. So we saw an opportunity to say, okay, why don’t we look at refreshing the product and making something very exclusive to Russia, understanding there is a desire in certain parts of Russia to express their newfound wealth. [As a result, Nokia created an all-black version of the 8800.] It’s been hugely successful.
"Certain parts of Russia" equalling "the Mafia parts" also known as "the only people in Russia who have any money at all".
Here’s the 8800, by the way:
(silver)
(Russian mafia black)
Both of these phones are available on eBay if you have an extra $700 to kick around. I know, riiiiiiiight. If you had that kind of money, you’d be a Republican.
Clearly, the 8800 was a little rich for my blood. I do kind of wish I could buy my brother the black one, though.
And then I feel deeply, miserably, headlong in love. With up and coming Nokia designer Liisa Puolaaka, the company’s Head of Brand Visual and Sensorial Experiences, the person responsible for bringing you (well, not yet American customers) this phone, which she describes as "a souvenir from the future":

On the review board where I saw this one, all the commenters were saying, "UGH!! Horrible!! What’s with the keys being on the sides like that? It’s too much! Ridicuous!" Except for one person who, in fact, owns the phone, who said, "Actually, having the keypad set up like that, after a short learning curve, makes dialing and texting much easier."
Puolaaka says:
Even today my work is still very much involved in understanding and recognising trends and the way people or societies are changing. One of the important things is to realise the difference between ‘long-term’ societal trends and ‘short-term’ lifestyle trends, but also to understand that some short-term trends have the potential to cross into the mainstream of society, where they become much more influential.
So a lot of my early work involved collaborating with product designers to incorporate that thinking into the starting point of their work, coming up with a design theme based on an understanding of the target consumer and the trends that would be influencing them.
(snip)
In talking about trends you’ve described how Nokia studies them and reacts to them as they emerge. But isn’t there a risk that you end up copying trends rather than setting them yourself?
I think it’s an oxymoron to say any one person actually sets a trend. Everyone is affected by the same things that happen around us, it’s just that some people pick up on those things before others. The trick is to be inspired, rather than to copy, and to know where to look – at the leading edges of art, society, culture. Maybe that’s why a lot of people in this field come from the fashion industry, because fashion has always been very open and accepting of the notion of being inspired by what’s ‘out there’ and then translating it into product ideas. What’s important is a sensitivity to what’s going on, observational skills, and the creativity to distill those observations into stories, themes and product possibilities.
Now, is this starting to sound familiar to you at all? It’s called "Experience Design" and doesn’t it sound a little like, maybe, BLOGGING?! And how it’s affecting the political discourse now?
We’ll come back to that. First, I want to show you a couple of gorgeous phones.
Now, if I had $400, I would have gotten a 7370, which is a spin phone, which means it goes like this:

This is what happens when a company like Samsung does it:

Ho hum. Doesn’t that just scream "Armitron!" at you?
Here’s the Nokia version:

In warm amber on the left (for the ladies, I suspect) or manly coffee brown on the right.
Oooooooooh.
Ahhhhhhhhh.

Puolaaka’s team studied Japanese ceramics, engravings, different finishes of leather and steel. They want the phones to work well, but also to look good and even smell good. It’s part of creating brand loyalty and inspiring consumers to seek more out of their choices, to find things they love rather than something that’ll do.
You can also get phones with no keypad, which you control with buttons and a wheel like an iPod:


Or you can get one like I got, which is up at the top of this post, the 7260. Of course, it wasn’t issued in America, so I had to chase around all over the Internets to order one, and I’m taking my chances with buying a warranty, cos otherwise it isn’t supported in the US by Nokia. GAWD!! Why isn’t it here?! I ordered it more than 50 hours ago!!
The waiting is KILLING ME!!
If I’d had just a little more cash (and no need for things like gasoline and groceries), I would have splurged and gone for the dark brown 7370. It’s just so lovely. Still, until I get that big book deal, the 7260 is a very smart-looking little phone and I hope to give it a good and loving home.
My point with all this is really, "Oooooh, look. Preeeettyyyy…" but also to point out that Nokia is doing what most of us deeply wish the Democratic party and its calcified system of do-nothing strategists and media advisors would do. ASK THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT. And then give it to them. Supposedly liberal politicos are still campaigning like it’s 2003. They think the Feingold Iraq resolution is some lefty extremist position, when actually 60% of the American people back it.
I predict great things for Nokia in the years to because they’re thinking ahead, trying to anticipate what will be best for their customers and making it for them. They’re not taking former design head Frank Nuovo’s tack of dictating from on high what will be the Next Big Thing for us lowly proles. You see how that worked out. You end up only hitting it big with the Russian mafia.
Maybe Joe Lieberman could learn a thing or two from this. People like it better when you ask them what they think rather then telling them what to think.
Let’s roll that Puolaaka quote again:
I think it’s an oxymoron to say any one person actually sets a trend. Everyone is affected by the same things that happen around us, it’s just that some people pick up on those things before others. The trick is to be inspired, rather than to copy, and to know where to look – at the leading edges of art, society, culture.
Guess what, firedogs? That’s us!!
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OT.
Interesting editorial piece in Haaretz.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/742257.html
-GSD
BTW Trex, cool phone.
Just now discovering phoney goodness, hmmm?
Personally, I find having a little LG thing that can play music through the phone is extremely useful, cuz no more ipod.
And the politicos won’t listen to the people, they have too much invested, and there’s no one to yank them out of their jobs. That’s the problem; they have no boss to tell them to shove it, like they did the Nuovo guy.
Great You Tube Video of Lieberman’s greatest hits- (via Scaryice at Kos)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMhN3mP_w6Q
Alexander Graham Bell and the very first phone sex: “Watson, come here! I need you!”
Trex … dtr and I have been eyeing those phones … so sweet!
on trending … Nightline is about to do a piece on Markos and Lieberman and all … full interview here:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story…..amp;page=2
I had to get a Treo 700w so I could get the internets through the broadband wireless tubes. I’ve even blogged from the damn thing. Long posts with links and quotes and everything, too.
Good Consumer. Good!
That *is* a gorgeous phone you got for yourself, BTW. The Treo is… not completely hideous (unlike the Q-Phone – meh), but camera/PDA/broadband appliance was what I was looking for. I’ve had it for two months and have used it as a phone exactly once.
Actually, that’s incorrect. I’ve *thought* about using it as a phone exactly once.
A feral member of the canine family lopes out of the gloaming evening. Beneath him lies the limpid lake. The lake breathes the warmth of the day into the cooling air of the moonless night. The silvery mist hangs still in the chilling air above the iron blue waters. Soon a sliver of a moon will rise, giving him all the advantage he needs. He grins up at the stars and the endless black seas between them. He slinks off eastward, to the darkening woods there. He must return with sustenance before the drowsing pup he has left behind in their den awakes.
Well as a RAZR owner (one of many, many, many, it is true), I must say that while it is boring at this point, it is, in my experience, pretty darn tough.
It scratches, but that’s about it. Rather impressed to be honest. I’m talking serious spills here, not minor oopsies.
But yeah, it ain’t all that cool anymore.
AAARRRGGGHHH I’m three threads behind, will never catch up but want to hear all about Billary & Joenertia & Nedmentum & Magnificant Maxine & Bad Barbara &….
Guess I’ll stick around here for a while and try to catch up with some of that later…
rootz !
For all of your fashion queries, there can be only one source.
For cell phones, they recommend…
Don’t sell Samsung short, they’re making some awesome phones as well. My current phone, the Samsung T509, is an ideal candy bar style phone for me. I love the Nokias TRex mentioned (I hate keypads), but they’re too spendy. The Samsung is the kind of simple candy bar phone I’ve waited for.
Oddly enough, I just managed to get my T509 to connect with my Lego Mindstorms NXT robot using Bluetooth. Now I just have to write some software to let my phone actually control the robot…
Good Consumer. Good!
ARF!
Look, I don’t buy into much of this consumer stuff. Allow me this. I am a Gemini with Gemini rising. I talk. Therefore I am.
TRex, if you dropped your phone on the sidewalk at Ipanema, it would disappear.
I am a Gemini with Gemini rising. I talk. Therefore I am.
Must remember to use this the next time someone points out what percentage of comments are mine…
Nokia is doing what most of us deeply wish the Democratic party and its calcified system of do-nothing strategists and media advisors would do. ASK THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT. And then give it to them. Supposedly liberal politicos are still campaigning like it’s 2003. They think the Feingold Iraq resolution is some lefty extremist position, when actually 60% of the American people back it.
TRex, you are SO WRONG — Nokia is asking GOoPer wannabes what they want in a phone; Democrats are campaigning like it’s 1992; and if the Beltway Dems had a clue, 70% of Bush ‘Murkans would join the torches and pitchfork brigades.
Other than that, cool post!!!
ot and apologies to Trex but the Nightline piece was quite nice actually and gave great coverage to why take on Lieberman …
good stuff!
Thanks for this, TRex:
Your post and the pictures are great; but your analysis of our party’s leaders’ market research is spot-on.
.
Pay attention, Senate Dems!
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Had Enough?
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TRex, you are SO WRONG — Nokia is asking GOoPer wannabes what they want in a phone;
They do most of their consumer testing in Japan and Europe. I don’t think there are too many wannabe GOP’ers there.
Other than that, cool post!!!
Uh, thanks.
That’s right up there with, “You don’t sweat much for a fat guy.” as compliments go, I think.
Ditto what Teddy said.
David Letterman’s opening monologue had a Lieberman/Clinton joke that went something like this:
“Clinton was campaigning for Lieberman in Connecticut today. He gave such a great, rousing speech that the audience was almost too fired up to sleep through Lieberman’s.”
TRex, your thinking reminds me of a line of questions I read quite awhile ago in either “10 Rules of the New Economy” or Friedman’s “The Lexus and the Olive Tree.” The books sort of followed some similar lines of thought and I read them at the same time period…sooooo, to the point.
The statement was “What is the value of a single fax machine?” Not much, right? Nobody to fax to if they don’t have a machine. Similar in a sense to corporate media, although at least they have readers, even if they can’t fully interact. The next question was “Now, what is the value of thousands of connected fax machines?” And that is the simile for blogs.
omg i heart suzanne my first ditto !
—- doing ditto happy dance ——
Since we’re into technology in this thread, check this out- Wow, what a video !
http://dl4.dumpalink.com/media…..HBYXPi.wmv
TRex –
You barely sweat at all, for a blogger of your, um . . .
circumnavigation?
—- doing ditto happy dance ——
I thought ditto dancing died with the 70s.
OT
Thought I’d have “just a quick peek” at ToL before dousing the ‘puter and turning in.
Silly me.
Now, really, goo’night!
prince falafel #30,
Um, that’s computer-generated, not a physical device. Very cool video, but it’s not real.
Hey T, you can find yourself a way cool (or nerdy, depending on your POV) ring tone for your phone here:
http://tones.wolfram.com/
Nokia is doing what most of us deeply wish the Democratic party and its calcified system of do-nothing strategists and media advisors would do. ASK THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT. And then give it to them.
With an approach that beautiful and simple, the do-nothing strategists and media advisors would be outta work. Alas, a great trap door needs to be sprung.
With an approach that beautiful and simple, the do-nothing strategists and media advisors would be outta work. Alas, a great trap door needs to be sprung.
Matt Stoller(!) left this incredibly chilling comment on my blog about an hour ago…
Eep.
The Baptism of Haste …..
Hello from Grayson, KY. I wanna fone that looks like a gourd. With a wind-up handle and sparks fly off the antannae when I hit the send button, which knocks thirty seven people off the telephone tower to make room for my power. Looks maybe kewl, but when I need to use the fone, I seriously wnat to reach out and touch someone.
Hmm to be a republican or a member of the Russian Mob, What is the difference?
I dropped my long love affair with cel phones in 2001 and never looked back. They are a lot of fun for a short while and could hit 1500.00 monthly back in the 90’s. Enjoy it TRex and Gentleman that you are I know you will learn to turn it off.
Sorry, but with a new thread, I do feel compelled to repost this thing. Transcribing is “hard work”. ;)
Katharine Jefferts Schori, the Presiding Bishop Elect of the Episcopal church, and the first woman to be elected to that role, was on CBS Evening News last night. In case you missed it and are interested in what she had to say, I’ve posted a transcript here.
I dropped my long love affair with cel phones in 2001 and never looked back.
I have always hated the damn things (don’t get me started). I consider mine an internet appliance, and literally never use it as a phone (I almost didn’t even get a voice plan). I’ll probably only ever use it that way for the types of emergency and on-the-fly-coordination scenarios TRex describes.
oilfieldguy #39: and youi’ll remember to turn it off in church?
TRex, I recently “got into” vintage watches for (I can’t buy them, just learn about and appreciate them) and I see possibilities here. The one you got sort of reminds me of some enamel art deco watches.
Kurt @ 17:
Respectfully, I beg to differ
wesgpc’s votinglinks,
I avoid church religiously. I spent last Sunday, like I spend many Sundays, in the Tabernacle of the Big Truck where I offer up a silent prayer to Our Lady Of Perpetual Motion, the Patron Saint of Fatass Truck Drivers and Scour Plagued Politicians.
Eli – I will get another one when I can do the internetz at home. No signal in paradise.
Oilfieldguy #46: OK, then turn it off at the truckshow. you’ll hurt someboday with your popular mechanics squash-phone.
Eli – I will get another one when I can do the internetz at home. No signal in paradise.
Ah. One of the nice things about city life…
OT:
Possible post-Senate careers for voted-out incumbents, number one in a series:
Kiddie Pool Lifeguard
‘Think of the children’
;>)
…Thx, john in sacramento.
In all seriousness…WHERE CAN I GET ONE!
Was considering the Razr but this is way cooler.
Please supply link to supplier!
Quote of the day by Oilfield guy “I avoid church religiously”
I had a little talk with a friend from Radio shack. He had three different cell phones and used them all. Two of them were nice, sleek and all that. The third was the cheapest model in the store. Not sure the brand, but it’s one piece, very neutral-looking, common(uncool), and had no big features. He said each had a purpose – The cheap one had the best reception out of all of them, so he used it when he was in the hinterlands.
Basically, form over function?
damn db that’s over the top *G*
They never call…
U.S. Says It Knew of Pakistani Reactor Plan
Congress Learned of Nation’s Nuclear Expansion From Independent Analysts
By Joby Warrick Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 25, 2006; Page A11
The Bush administration acknowledged yesterday that it had long known about Pakistan’s plans to build a large plutonium-production reactor, but it said the White House was working to dissuade Pakistan from using the plant to expand its nuclear arsenal.
[. . . ]
The reactor, which reportedly will be capable of producing enough plutonium for as many as 50 bombs each year, was brought to light on Sunday by independent analysts who spotted the partially completed plant in commercial-satellite photos. Snow said the administration had “known of these plans for some time.”
The acknowledgment came as arms-control experts and some in Congress expressed alarm about a possible escalation of South Asia’s arms race. Some also sharply criticized the administration for failing to disclose the existence of a facility that could influence an upcoming congressional debate over U.S. nuclear policy toward India and Pakistan.
“If either India or Pakistan starts increasing its nuclear arsenal, the other side will respond in kind,” said Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), co-chairman of a House bipartisan task force on nonproliferation. “The Bush administration’s proposed nuclear deal with India is making that much more likely.”
That proposal would allow the United States to share civilian nuclear technology with India
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00995.html
Hey db at 50:
*G*
TRex, did you happen to check this phone out?
Dayam, DB, you really captured his inner child.
I have sworn never to carry a cell-phone or a beeper, and any job that demands one… well, they can just go to hell.
Why would anybody voluntarily allow their boss to call them 24 hours a day? It’s like involuntary servitude. Sure, your wife and friends can call you on it, but that pales in comparison to 24 hour a day calls from your boss.
I don’t even like answering my regular phone. I have the answering machine on all the time, so I can screen my calls. Part of that is a history of dealing with bill collectors, but a lot of it is just that I hate being nagged by anybody on their timetable. I hate having to jump up and answer the telephone when it rings. Fuck it. If it’s important, I’ll call them back.
We don’t have enough privacy in our lives. Cell phones are just one more intrusion. Give me Walden Pond.
Amen to everything Dumbo says, including dislike for *all* phones. My girlfriend is the only person who has my Treo’s number, and she would only use it in an emergency.
A. Citizen – Amazon at least used to carry the phones pictured and if you use the FDL link and then decide to buy one, FDl makes a little bit of money – not bad, eh?
We don’t have enough privacy in our lives. Cell phones are just one more intrusion. Give me Walden Pond.
There was a point about a year ago where I considered going completely Luddite. No home computer. No iternet. Nothing.
Then I embraced the dark side.
we’re a mobile only household but I am considering adding back a landline solely so that I can get dsl rather than the cable modem since I don’t like our cable co. I carry my work phone at all times and my office line automatically transfers to the mobile so I can easily work from home when I want … not a bad tradeoff in my book.
Of course, I still don’t have a television, cable, or a DVD player.
A. Citizen – one thing to consider, you need to use a cell provider who will switch out the sim cards for you – TMobile is one, not sure who the others are.
veruca @45
I don’t know about that phone, but that hat is definitely TRex hehe.
OFG at 46
Always a good idea.
a brown cell phone? come on….
I tossed my answering machine a couple of years ago, paid all my bills, got a p.o. box and check mail once a month. It ain’t Walden it’s the Kings River. *g*
Discovering FDL and my natural progressive self has put me in a pickle I must say. I am ready to face the mob in order get these mad men out of our gun case, pockets and zippers.
In all seriousness…WHERE CAN I GET ONE!
Wait, AC. Which phone?
I can get you links to all of them.
The ‘Souvenir From the Future’ – THAT is exactly the right name. Aa wee bit larger, with a bunch of iTUnes combined w/Newton-like capabilities…long life batt for Wi-Fi and the usual phone, Toobing, iCam, MP3/Vid stuff would be The Perfect Souvenir From the Future.
Closest is Nokia 770, imho:
http://www.nokiausa.com/770/1,7841,feat:1,00.html
Linux based. Nokia may be ‘market leader’ in this arena; and, isn’t our Linux guru Finnish – like Nokia.
http://www.nokiausa.com/about
I’m impressed by the clean webdesign there.
If Apple don’t come out with something Newtonized, I’m getting one of these units. Wish it looked as pretty as the Sovenir…
“I have seen the future…” (me)
“The future has already arrived. It’s just not evenly distributed yet.” – William Gibson.
Nice Shakespeare upstream, lotus.
Good stuff, TRex
Thanks all
L8R
next they’ll be making them in the shape of a poisson…you know: a cell-fish phone
(we’re a four cell phone family, by the way)
I’m so glad that some of you are supporting me in this. I was beginning to think that I had posted something that everybody hated. “TRex jumps the shark!”
punaise, what ring tone do you set off when you call?
Wow. Real sexy phone you got there. I have a blackberry and some outdated flip phone. But I am not complaining about either, because work pays for them.
But still. I am coveting. Totally. Right now.
Duh…what does ‘jump the shark’ mean? I have been hearing it a lot lately…
ladies and gentlemen – the long-promised photos of Wapoo Avenue in the lovely Napa Valley spa town of Calistoga, wher it was only 108 degrees yesterday.
TRex, The night before your post, when you declared AnnC was over. I thought that was a real sign of brilliance (one of many) on your part.
Very cool phone, TRex. Please do post a link, if only so the gadget-lovers among us can drool a bit. Speaking of which, you might like to start saving your pennies and buy your cell phone a companion (particularly if the phone has bluetooth). This one is very high on my wish list, except that I haven’t quite managed to rationalize a teeny tiny Windows Tablet PC. I’m pretty good at rationalization, though, so it’s only a matter of time: http://www.oqo.com/
Sony has a new toy out, and it’s pretty cool too, although a little larger than the OQO: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bi…..=computers
I’m sort of a technoklutz, which means that I love new toys but I don’t know how to play with them. Thank heavens for the tech department at work!
Eureka Springs, AR
punaise, what ring tone do you set off when you call?
ummm, the one that goes ding, ding, ding?
thought you might have an esoteric tune on your kids phone.)
neuro: don’t you remember “happy days”? fonzie jumped a shark while waterskiing in his black leather jacket. has been modified recently to “jumped the couch” ala tom cruise.
oh them: vibrate for one, Gilmore Girls or The OC for the other
TRex 63:
Of course, I still don’t have a television, cable, or a DVD player.
Dude! How can you watch Greatest American Hero when it finally comes out on DVD? You know you want to…
“Believe it or not,
I’m walking on hair…”
Oh. I agree w/’privacy’ angle, of course. But I’m not sure how to hack out a GPS-less unit. So, even the most strenuous of tactics maay leak a bit. Tradeoffs are a bitch.
Hope EFF makes a dent in that Cal Circuit Ct; they’re looking for a Court ordered moratorium on AT&T, and maybe all ongoing programs.
Detailed info:
http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/
Oh. Just one more thing:
Ned! Off the presses…
“Koskoff, other Lamont backers to rally at museum
By Steve Collins, The Bristol Press
07/25/2006
“Taking a stand against U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, former Democratic congressional candidate Charlotte Koskoff of Plainville said Monday the senator is “carrying water” for the Republican “crazies who are running this country.”
Koskoff said she’s backing Greenwich businessman Ned Lamont’s primary challenge “with a heavy heart because Lieberman is a nice person and because obviously it would easy for the Democratic Party and the congressional challengers if there was no primary.”
But, she said, “I felt it was a moral issue” to oppose Lieberman, the Democratic Party’s vice presidential candidate six years ago.”…
—-MORE HERE——
http://www.bristolpress.com/si…..&rfi=6
Wow. Real sexy phone you got there. I have a blackberry and some outdated flip phone. But I am not complaining about either, because work pays for them.
But still. I am coveting. Totally. Right now.
The 7260 is not that expensive right now. It averages about $150. I don’t even know if it’s Bluetooth compatible or not. You can get them on eBay and cool covers, too.
I got a gunmetal with silver accents shell for mine *and* black rubber.
Black. Rubber. Phone.
How punk rock is that?
I saw on MSNBC where the Joemenator (I just made that up–it’s ironic, like Joementum)and Barbara Boxer showed up at the candy store. Barbara was dressed all in black…was she mourning the death of her integrity? Just curious…
…and let me add that I applauded and cheered Sen. Boxer wildly when she spoke at YKos. It’s sad when somebody you really respect really lets you down.
Friends don’t let friends kill their integrity.
“Don’t do it, Rex!”
;>)
Possible post-Senate careers for voted-out incumbents, number two in a series:
Cocktail-style soda jerk
Hey…You don’t suppose he was at the candy store today because…
;>)
I neglected to notice that link above would qualify the piece on Ned as a new version of the “Brisol Stomp.”
http://www.amiright.com/mishea…..ells.shtml
[exit stage right. where’s my shoephone?]
I promise to write a really good communist post tomorrow night about How Pop Music and Pizza Are Killing the Earth or Something.
Do any of you guys get object lust? Or is this just another one of those things that resulted from my upbringing? Do you crave a perfect pen? Perfect chair? Car? Pastry bag?
Please, confess. We’ll understand.
Mary won read/link of the day imo. Check it out if you like
http://law.shu.edu/guantanamot…..re_re_firs t_report_1_.pdf
These are remarks delivered at Woodrow Wilson School, Princeton University, Feb. 2006 by P. Sabin Willet, an atty for a Guantanamo “detainee.”
I covet air conditioners.
perfect undergarments *g*
Willie McCovet, former Giants slugger
seriously
Fabrics
genuine silk velvet
cashmere
old leather jackets and mercedes interiors
perfect shoes whatever they are
cartier pens
vintage fur felt hats borsalino etc.
and contemporary design evrything
I just Googled your phone, TRex. No bluetooth, which means if you want to use it handsfree you’ll have to use a wired headset, but it does support EDGE if you decide you want a data program. I recently switched from Cingular (that’ll teach ‘em to cooperate with NSA) to TMobile and got one of their new smart phones. Damn thing is smarter than I am, that’s for sure, but it does a reasonable job of web connection and it has a decent thumbboard. I would have preferred a Treo, but TMobile doesn’t have them. Oh, well, if a boycott doesn’t entail some sacrifice it doesn’t count.
duck and covet
wonder what word sent me into mod land
punaise”
You’re going in directions that make my brain hurt to try and follow.
Barbara B, What kind connection (speed) does your cel phone get?
I covet air conditioners.
What’s with you people not having air conditioning anywhere outside the south and southwest? It ain’t like it never gets hot in Boston. Or London.
This winter, when it’s freezing and air conditioners are cheap, go to Target and drop fifty bucks on a window unit.
You can get a room real cold with a fifty dollar (in January) air conditioner. Heck, order it on the web and get the super slow shipping. Then, when it comes in March, put it in the attic.
When summer comes and you can’t sleep for the heat, put it in your bedroom window and think, “I was sooooooo smart to buy this in December.”
Down here in GA, we all have air conditioners. Good ones. My house is a crisp 76 degrees right now. Of course, it rained here today, so the high was 81.
SteveAudio – LOL, slow night, and I’m about as low-tech as comes when the subject is cell phones, so I don’t have much to add on that front.
I do kind of wish I could buy my brother the black one, though.
Well, you know me…
I am more the olive tree than Lexus type, but I like cool stuff… and how hot would that thing be being dropped into my DeNiro-in-Ronin leather jacket?
(I found it on clearance, so I didn’t spend $400 on it. Try 1/10 of that. Oddly, I used to drive that same model of Benz, too. Got IT for $500 and put 75k miles on it….)
My favorite way to get stuff like $800 phones and $1600 laptops is to find a broken one and fix it. Same with that old Benz…
Beats paying retail, anyway…..
Oh, I covet perfect vinyl records.
exceptional bootleg recordings and paintings.
punaise:
Yep, I understand.
I’m still troubled by why some would get wierd about me coveting my neighbor’s ass. I mean, you should see her!
This is the high-tech gadget I’ve been coveting all weekend.
I do kind of wish I could buy my brother the black one, though.
Well, you know me…
I am more the olive tree than Lexus type, but I like cool stuff… and how hot would that thing be being dropped into my DeNiro-in-Ronin leather jacket?
Also, apparently when you open and close the 8800 keypad, there is a very satisfying “sshhhhhhh-thunk”. They wanted it to feel like shutting a perfect car door.
When I go to get the sim card changed into my new phone, I am going to ask them to let me play with the 8800 just to see what all the shouting is about.
From an earlier thread:
“Bill’s appearance was Joe’s last weapon to stop the slide. Either he turns it around, quickly or he’s done. Watch tomorrow papers.”
Does anybody have links to CT newspaper online editions?
DB that is one sweet electric toy…
OK, another weird coincidence about that Ronin photo of DeNiro- I own the jacket, owned the Benz, and wear the same pair of jeans and the same boots…..
how did that happen? I wasn’t trying or anything.
SteveAudio – many are called, but few get up
Eli, if you liked the BadgerPhone, you might also like Atomic Badger Racing, with CatBombs….
http://www.corporatedump.com/badgerrace.html
I covet the time to do fun stuff before I’m too old to enjoy it: music, outdoors, maybe some woodworking…
Wow, DB! Who’s making those? Are they in the US?
Eureka — It depends on where I am. If I’m in an EDGE area, it’s pretty fast, but I’d have to check the specs. I used it in Las Vegas at ykos because the wireless in my room kept dropping. The new super-duper broadband speeds aren’t available yet in my area and probably won’t be for a year or two. The phone also has a wireless connection, but when I travel I also have a notebook, so if I can get wifi I use it. (I have a Fujitsu Lifebook P1510.) One nice thing about TMobile is that its phones can be used as modems, but I haven’t had time yet to get it configured for that.
I don’t think Tesla would cross the creek at .01 per mile. Good to see electric cars go fashionable.
Okay, kids, I gotta step away from the computer and eat something before it gets too late.
I got email confirmation that my phone has shipped. Whooo-hooooo!!
*happy dance*
TRex,
They unveiled them this weekend in Santa Monica, CA. The Governator even took a ride in one. Wish I had been there.
OT: You know, it irritates the hell out of me when I agree with with Richard Cohen, but I think his recent take on Israel has been pretty accurate. Israel’s attack on Lebanon is many things–both politically and militarily stupid, for instance–but I wouldn’t call it unjustified.
The Bush response has been delusional. There’s just no way in hell that NATO is going to put a bunch of soldiers in southern Lebanon. They’d be sitting ducks for Hezbollah. And someone will eventually point out that the Middle East is a long way away from the North Atlantic.
This is another diplomatic disaster with no good exit strategy. The best I can come up with–and this’ll never happen–is to send the Big Dog in to hash out a deal. Bush will never let that happen. So the most likely scenario is that the whole thing escalates, Syria and Iran get dragged in, and we end up bombing the hell out of Iran.
TREx #91: I have no object lust. Stuff works way it’s spozed to, or it don’t. That’s about as far as I get. So far. Guess I’ll have to grow up some day. When I get fancy stuff, like a cell phone or a DVD player, I figure out how to do the one thing I want to do (use the phone, play the DVD) and then put the directions in a safe place, from which they disappear never to return. That’s it.
Is that bad? Is a sign of nonmaterialistic spiritual elevation, or that I am a lazy SOB, or just kind of not with it?
My cell phone just beebs. That’s pretty out of it, huh?
Barbara B, Thanks for thee info, I think my neighbors would get a cel signal if I could relay it from there someday I might just get over 24k connection speed. Another item on the covet list.
#120 Frank Probst: read Billmon. This is going to turn into a big mess. Let’s up that Olmert’s schemes collapse on themselves before more harm is done.
War by Tantrum, Billmon July 25, 2006
A high-ranking IAF officer caused a storm on Monday in an off-record briefing during which he told reporters that IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz had ordered the military to destroy 10 buildings in Beirut in retaliation to every Katyusha rocket strike on Haifa.
http://billmon.org/archives/002565.html
Click through the link to read more. It gets better looks like the Olmert war machine is in total disarray:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S…..e/ShowFull
Eureka — Here’s the TMobile link: http://www.t-mobile.com/
You can give it your zip code and it will tell you about coverage. (It can even pinpoint it for your address.) My phone is the MDA. Happy hunting.
It looks like t-mobile has the Russian mafia phone for $550. But, not in black.
Here’s the cell-phone accessory all the Luddites need! (I want it, too!)
Frank Probst at 120
I understand Israel’s reaction. However, pointless man-slaying and destruction of a nation is futile. As I have argued before, for Israel to engage every generation in the scourging of Lebanon only ensures we will be here once again in five or twenty years. The only solution is the permanent solution. EU membership for Lebanon on a twenty (thirty) year basis, and possible NATO membership (I am more than aware of the Crusader analogy).
A feral member of the canine family slips away, a tear in his eye.
OT:
I couldn’t help but get a chuckle out of this from the NYT:
“Mr. Lieberman and Mr. Clinton embraced twice on stage, though they did not kiss, as some of Mr. Lieberman’s supporters had hoped they would.”
Another swoon from Faithless Joe!
“Mr. Lieberman and Mr. Clinton embraced twice on stage, though they did not kiss, as some of Mr. Lieberman’s supporters had hoped they would.”
Why does the NYT suddenly become the NY Post every time they write about the Clintons?
TRex at 129:
Perhaps its the “unrequited love” bug and they’d like a kiss from the Big Dog too.*g*
9-22 the brightest new moon in living memory.
woah, people, we’re missing the bigger picture:
So, I paid all my bills for July. For what may the first time in my adult life, everything says “Current Balance Due: $0.00″.
TRex’s meteoric rise to fame has gained him….solvency. other than the phone bling, where’s the entourage? the ice? the limos? the caviar?
TRex’s meteoric rise to fame has gained him….solvency. other than the phone bling, where’s the entourage? the ice? the limos? the caviar?
I’m only caught up for this month, dude. Next month it’s back to Ramen Noodle Surprise.
But I’ll have such a cool phone upon which to talk about my tribulations.
whig-guy
9-22 the brightest new moon in living memory.
9-22-06?
yeah, but you’ll be the Top Ramen
pun, i hear there is some fog coming through the golden gate. any impact there yet? none up here.
Suzanne, it’s clear in the Eat Bay, a pleasant 60 degrees right now. I don’t have a view across the bay. Was it really 115 degrees in the south bay yesterday?
errrr.. East Bay
siun, if you’re still here, the YKos footage on Nightline looked pretty good; there was one Dear Leader-ish shot of Markos on the big Jumbotron screen, from below. The crowd shots looked like us, that is to say USA. Thought I might catch somebody I knew waving a Give Em Hell Harry sign, but it went really fast….
tonight I covet the little Mini Cooper I took for a drive yesterday to the Point Reyes National Seashore, or as I call it The Pacific Rim. It really feels like you are falling off the edge of California, driving on narrow twisties, tossing the car with cliff and ocean all around. blue sky, big waves. swell little droptop. orange.
want one, but for now car-share club will have to do!
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Had Enough?
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(not of that orange Mini)
TSF – Pt. Reyes is a favorite getaway, or rather, series of same. It’s so varied; so much to explore.
‘night, all….
pun, i don’t know about the south bay other than up here in the mts. 107 today in boulder creek. 105 yesterday. both “shade” temperatures.
Hartford Courant article on the BigDog’s trip to Connecticut:
http://www.courant.com/news/po…..ines-local
New Haven Register article about BigDog in Connecticut. Great quote from Lamont spokesperson: “We look forward to working with them” meaning the Clintons, in the general election!
http://www.nhregister.com/site…..#038;rfi=6
nitey nite.
Eureka Springs @92, that link doesn’t work for me. I get 404 “Page Not Found”
I missed this earlier: Pity Party. Wherein Billmon dismantles Tom Ricks of the WaPoo.
Says it all.
From Eugene Robinson at the WashPo. Check it out:
The writer will take questions today at 1 p.m. on http://www.washingtonpost.com. His e-mail address is eugenerobinson@washpost.com.
I’ll be there.
Ooo, this’ll work:
Yeah, they deliberately left out Iraq or any critism of Bush because, as Al From is quoted as saying, “We need to be a party of ideas, not a party of anger.”
What was it Eli mentioned earlier about insider Dems being paid to lose?
Watch out! Snarlin’ Arlen Specter Prepping Bill to Sue Bush: AP.
That’ll teach him.
Of course, I still don’t have a television, cable, or a DVD player.
Someday, I plan to buy me one o’ them new-fangled things they got that’s called a ‘computer’. Then I can let my brain rest and stop imagining all of you and the witty repartee and an internet full of tubes.
(Entered the computing age 12/97. Bought my first fully functional – not handmedown – color TV 7/01. Same time I bought my first microwave. DVD player: 12/05. Cellphone: 11/05, my boss bought it. And the only indispensable thing out of all this remains the computer because it hurts me so good).
because i’m drunk and there is little else to do at 4:24 am in Texas:
despite the fact that most of you never bothered to actually listen to the NPR clip that was linked, i will focus upon that most trivial of segments of this most trivial of posts. the word “premium” is mentioned 0 times in the piece, that’s right, “0″.
i went through the ardudous task of listening to the NPR clip twice (even though, seemingly contradictorily, i hastily ignore the rules of capitalization in comments and emails) and heard not one utterance of such a word.
why do i mention it? mostly because it irks me that this post made it here to begin with. you lost me somewhere between the techno drool and the virtual orgasm. seriously, i expect more from this blog. save the materialist, capitalist cravings for a fan site.
Good morning, FDL!
Wanna know just how bad I can’t quit ya?
Two minutes ago, I awoke from the first 5-6 posts of a thread!
Two minutes ago, I coulda told you who’d posted, saying exactly what (my impression’s that Christy posted, but her subject I now know not), as well as which 5 commenters were first-up and exactly what they said (again, don’t quote me on this, but I’m pretty sure ’twas TRex zeroed the “Fitz!”, with HopeSAT and li’l dog right behind him; strong possibilities of siun and punaise in there too) . . .
Doctah, doctah, Mistah M.D.,
I need HE’P!
Ooog, and tea . . .
A little something Michiganders in particular can use:
Blackwater’s Top Brass
Also profiled in the article are Gary Jackson, Cofer Black, and the ineffable Joseph Schmitz. A rundown on Blackwater’s lines of business:
Prince Group (Parent company)
Blackwater divisions
Blackwater Training Center — Firearms and tactical training
Blackwater Target Systems — Manufacturing and sales
Blackwater Security Consulting — Security services
Blackwater Canine — Explosives-detecting dogs
Raven Development Group — Construction
Blackwater Armor — Armored personnel carriers
Blackwater Airships — Blimps
Affiliated companies
Presidential Airways — Aviation
Greystone — International security services
Morning All. Lovely morning here in eastern Maine. Hot cuppa java. Ready to read now. Lotus yew rawk!
LOL
Certifiably OT:
Aaargh, I’m searching old email for a particular exchange with Missing Friend S, and though I haven’t found it yet, I did find this that she and I amused over last summer. I just copied it for her w/o the URL, so sorry, Rupert, but I’m busting your (ToL) copyright for my friends here — just be glad I can’t include the photo:
[Preview isn’t up yet, so apologies if this came out weird.]
Lotus – did the parrot grow up in the Cheney household?
Currently watching CNN – they are showing the same stuff they were showing yesterday morning – taped interviews in Israelebanon. What happened to Iraq? Or the power outages in Queens and St Louis? or the capsizing ship off the coast of Alaska that is dumping it’s fuel? or, did I mention, Iraq?
OT except for Trex’ opening comment on having his bills all paid ….
Bush told to Plan for Chavez Oil Shock
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/b4079a…..e2340.html
morning Twolf
Mornin’ Old Sow, how goes it? Are you enjoying fog or blue sky?
goddamm this site has really gone into the toilet lately. nowadays it’s nothing but posts with youtube videos …. and now we’re getting updates about the authors’ cell phone decisions …
not quite the site it was several months ago
-d (tuning out)
Big Beautiful Blue Skies (so far), TW1. Aaaaaah
OT – youtube clip that may make ya laugh – from the jimmy kimmel show, a skit called “Unnessary Censorship.” possibly too off-color for some?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc6w4SzIUN0
NYT (Medina), LAT (Barry) and WaPo (Broder) on BigDawg and Li’lJoe.
Fine post Trex
d@161 – several months ago there was no YouTube – else we would have had Fitz’s Newsconference at our fingertips instead of a skip away.
FDL has evolved from a small club into a community
One would hope the growth will continue so that we can affect a Nation.
oh…Trex, The characterization of Sakamoto’s work as avant garde might give the impression that it is out of the mainstream. QUite the contrary, he is one of Japan’s most popular stars. His ‘classical’ compositions, while very contemporary, are but one facet of his body of work. And he has not been above TokyoDome filling reprisals of his ‘pop’ band, Yellow Magic Orchestra.
You might guess I am a huge fan..
Contact me off-list for more details
http://www.timesonline.co.uk
http://www.guardian.co.uk [having site twubble now]
http://www.independent.co.uk
http://www.telegraph.co.uk
Lotus – From the LAT article – While Jane Shernow said she will stand by Lieberman — “he’s an institution,”
There is a big difference between “being an institution” and “needing to be institutionalized.”
I never understood that reason for voting for someone, because they’ve been there a long time? It’s like the whole “changing horses in mid stream” crap that the goopers used to get chimpy re-elected. My mom voted for chimpy even after months of my lobbying against her doing so. Her reason? She was scared of switching presidents in the middle of a war. “But mom, the war has turned to crap and gets worse every day. Why not change horses, it couldn’t get any worse could it?” Since then, she has seen the err of her ways.
If you happened to be crossing a rapidly rising stream on a horse whose legs kept getting shorter, wouldn’t you want to change horses?
I guess it’s easy for the uninformed to understand. They know what horses are, they know what a stream is, it makes perfect sense. It’s like their reason for banning gay marriage – because it’s just not right, it’s wrong. Why was that again? Just because.
…ok, better have more coffee
Nokia…very smart people, those Finns. Read up on their excellent education system…they actually value education & their teachers there. I am so jealous of the Scandinavian countries’ priorities…education, health care, transportation…higher taxes resulting in higher quality of life.
Conan O’Brien’s visit to Finland was one of my favorite tv moments.
Well, I just jumped on the cellphone bandwagon just over 6 months ago. As an older, disabled woman driving alone was definitely a worry. Because I would not be able to walk anywhere. I need to reach people quickly.
But the monetary numbers you are mentioning above are waaaay above what I could afford. I was looking for a cheap, pay as you go, phone. And I found one. The original ’shorty’ phone by Nokia with the service by Virgin Mobile, had limited use inside of some homes for some reason. But the newer version with the phone by Kyocera and the plan by Virgin (I paid $30, now costs $20) has a lighted dial and is much easier to use.
I pay $20 every 90 days to keep service since I only use the phone in emergencies. And I have had a couple of times when the cell phone was extremely helpful.
This phone, cheap, cheap, cheap, is great for me. Style points — not so much.
And Good morning everyone.
Chris Matthews is coming rather strongly against Joe Lieberman on the issue of Iraq on Imus. Don is sticking with his tired old warhorse…
I have a little ritual when I pay all my bills and have some left over. It’s a nifty little thing called a savings account….
puaise at 95
Hall-Of-Famer Willie McCovet ;
http://www.baseball-reference……wi01.shtml
http://www.baseball-almanac.co…..=mccovwi01
(Fun. You can also find Ballpark info – anything b/t Abbott & Costello to Yogi Berra.
McCovet is tied in career homers with this kid:
http://www.baseball-reference……te01.shtml
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Scrurries back to see new Ned comments…
and looking for newtonusr…
fwiw, i’ve always been an ‘early adopter’ what with my widescreen HDTV going in the background and my homebuilt dual-core server-quality PC but for a cellie, I got the most generic Nokia with great battery-life I could find. I wanted to keep it simple and reliable. And cheap. I use it everyhere.
I’ve never carried a gun but just having a phone constantly with me gives me a feeling of security, knowing I can always call for help.
OT, Bard(ish):
Shouldst have missed yesternight’s performance of Two Gentlemen of St. Petersburg, fear not, ’tis staged anew this morrow. A snippet:
CNN’s Malveaux – 100 people killed daily in Baghdad
Until my divorce 4 years ago I had all of the latest greatest cell phone eq and contracts, and I added up charges for phones, monthly svc fees and hidden charges. The total per phone X 2 = $18,900 for a period of 16 years of svc.
My first phone in 1990 was stolen from my GMC X-cab P.U. truck (it was my demo), and if you remember back to that time the type of phone was referred to as a “BAG” phone.
Back to my point, since my divorce I have owned a Virgin mobile (svc company) with an old style phone with an open face and small led readout. The phone was $12.00 dollar’s, and every two months the owner is responsible for adding a minimum of $20.00 to the phone svc (and I don’t use that much time) every other month. Presently, counting the cost of the phone I am out $492.00 for the past 4 years. . . For that same 4 year’s under previous management I would have been out $4720 dollar’s. . .
Honestly, I have found it to be a much better deal renting the woman than owning one. . .
Front page of the Courant has a poll question:
“Does Former President Bill Clinton’s support of Sen. Joseph Lieberman make you more likely to vote for Lieberman?
18.2%
Yes (8 responses)
59.1%
No, it makes no difference (26 responses)
22.7%
No, it makes me less likely to vote for Lieberman (10 responses)
44 total responses
Results are not scientific.”
http://www.courant.com/
Just under the photo of smiling Bill and the other guy.
I like my Motorola PEBL. It’s what passes for a basic phone these days, but the quality is good and it has nice features,like bluetooth. You can do fun stuff with media, like using any mp3 snippet for a ring tone. The design is nice and clean, and it’s available in colors, I got green. Once you get used to opening it, it’s very ergonomic to use.
I think T-Mobile is now giving these away with a two year contract.
Also in this morning’s Courant:
a little fact casually mentioned in one of the Clinton Event stories was telling — there were empty seats in the theater! A free Bill Clinton speech in a Democratic state should have had crowds standing out in the street, overflowing the venue. The LieberFolk are so controlling and afraid (ask Spazeboy and Jane) that they wouldn’t freely distribute tickets. Very bad organizing!
Condi’s Loophole
by emptywheel
Condi laid her “plan” out on the table yesterday, and the representative of Hezbollah promptly rejected it. That means Hezbollah wants war, right?
No. Condi offered Lebanon a choice between war … or war…..
OT: Chris Matthews, on IMUS: A rant: Anti Lieberman..this must be a vote about Leibermans support for the war in Iraq & voters need to come out in strength. This govt didn’t forsee ie the insurgency..the mistakes in the war have been made in past history.. we need a President who reads books, he had no foreign policy and was led by the neocons & all they see is fight ,fight,fight.
Just watched WTNH’s tape of BigDawg (via Courant homepage), and I just want to check my vision with you.
Have you EVER seen such a background of glum faces at one of his speeches? Cuz I sure haven’t.
*ilson, thank you so much, I was wondering about the capacity of the Palace Theater. IMO, Joe was just looking for a photo op with any cheering, Dem crowd he could get for further TV spots. That may be the last scheduled appearance Joe makes in public before the primary. Everytime he goes out CTBob and Maura and others ask him questions he doesn’t want to answer.
lotus, thanks a lot for the links to those articles covering it. I haven’t had a chance to read them all, but that really helps.
GrandmaJ, your 169 may finally be swaying me to a cellphone. Would you please email me at lotuslander@cfl.rr.com next time it’s convenient, so I can ask you a few more questions? Thanks.
CT is about 20% non-white and the Democrat vote is a higher percentage yet the selected crowd on the stage behind Lieberman was incredibly and strikingly white — I saw some people of color but they were off to the sides. Very bad optics, Joe! Black voters watching the TV coverage doubtlessly observed the whitetitude of Joe’s crowd too…
I have read that Israel has found this to be more challenging than expected. Where have we heard this before? Does no government take seriously worst case scenarios anymore? Magical thinking has taken over reasoned analysis. It’s like watching funniest videos, stupid human clips, where it’s obvious it’s not going to end well & you wonder what they were thinking. They weren’t thinking, period.
Common sense people would use other methods to get rid of hornet nests instead of just whacking them with bats.
Goo’ness gracious, that Courant poll sure has taken on a new color in the last few minutes!
Now it’s
Yes, Bill’s support makes me more likely to vote for Joe — 19 (6.8%)
No diff — 83 (29.5%)
No, now LESS likely — 179 (63.7%)
ironranger — see “War by Tantrum” by Billmon at http://billmon.org/archives/002565.html
Wrt Israel vs. Lebanon, much as I hate to admit it, because I dislike the guy so intensely, Pope Benedict (Ratzinger) could play an important role in brokering something between Israel and Hezbolah. I’m not saying he will, but Lebanon has always had eastern-Rite Catholics (not Roman) who Ratzinger and his predecessor liked more than “reformed” Xtians, those who followed Luther. I’m not saying he will, but the vacuum, created by Condi’s endorsement of Israeli aggression opens it up for him.
You know I am scraping the bottom of the barrel for resources when I start looking to the Vatican. A lot of recent popes, (not John 23rd, a real Xtian imo) have wanted to reestablish the papacy has a force in international politics, but it has been tough, because they lost their armies after the Enlightenment. Pope, however, still has leverage, and this would be a great place to use it. He could call Condi’s bluff, and point out the it’s hard to understand the problem with Hezbolah kidnappig two Israeli SOLDIERS, when the U.S. routinely kidnaps non-soldiers from all over the Middle East and then tortures them in secret prisons. That would get his holiness some front page coverage.
the German Pope has already spoken out early and forcefully against Israel’s War on Lebanon…
Further Imus — Chris Matthews was terrific, much to Imus’s dismay, I think. Very pro large voter turnout. Primaries are the only place where people’s votes count because the country’s been so gerrymandered.
And Monica Crowley strong Lieberman supporter. Shame on those naughty Dems picking on sweet l’il Joe. And whazzup with her being a news bunny? One hopes it’s because the regulars are on vacation. Talk about blatant partisanship in the “real” news.
Imus and cronies still pushing the theme that this is just a one-issue. Nice spin, guys.
If MSNBC has any smarts there’ll be a v-clip of the whole Matthews conversation with Imus. Big IF.
Condi’s Loophole – interesting piece and the Drum piece that she refers to is interesting as well.
Worrying and difficult and sad situation. The concept that there can be no cease fire without a grand plan – that kind of negates every “cooling off period” concept that ever came down the pike, as well as having a very heartless/mindless approach to the civilian deaths and infrastructure destruction.
Ironranger #187 — great comment! Magical thinking indeed. Next they’ll send the Rangers in on unicorns.
Good catch lotus. The Courant may have been too cute by a half in wording the options. I think they were trying to give Billy Clinton every chance to look like he was having a big impact and insulate him from Joe’s unpopularity. Instead, it backfired, if the numbers hold. The results make it sound as though Clinton hurt Joe with Dems. That’s impossible, which leads me to believe that people just aren’t reading the options too closely and are just saying, “no” Clinton didn’t affect me.
Unless it’s the FDL Effect, John C . . .
Dover-nice car. My boss bought the XLR Caddy, Nieman Marcus Edition last year. Light Purple. Sweet car. $94 grand. Bastar_.
new thread
lotus at #185 – email sent. It says ‘GrandmaJ’ in the re line and if you see anything from ’suequilts’ that would be me.
MAN, look at that thang go!
Yes — 27 (5.7%)
No diff — 91 (19.2%)
No — 355 (75.1%)
Thanks, Grandma J!
Mary, I agree. Condi ignores that a lot of people in the Middle East, more everyday as a matter of fact, already have a “Grand Plan,” for Israel. With oil over $70 a barrel for the forseeable future, they can buy a lot of rockets and make large parts of Israel uninhabitable. Again, the WH misses the strategic realities. Is the Israeli Army capable of inflicting real damage, “hell yes.” Can they really defend Israel over a long period of time, from determined and increasingly unified adversries, “hell no.”
No one has good anti-missle technology and everyone has figured this out.
Both sides have a lot to lose and a lot of leverage. Gradually though, Israel’s immediate neighbors have less and less to lose in attacking Israel. That’s what happens when you blow up infrastructure like bridges. It leads to “I don’t have electricity for my fridge, but it doesn’t matter, because there’s no food to buy anyway.” Until Condi and the Israeli’s figures this out, she’s just dragging us and them in deeper.
Re the Pope speaking out agains the Lebanon war — he blew his “infallibility’ shtick when he issue a statement saying priests should not give people like Kerry communion. And his other statements which sound so political in tone are foolish.
I am a Catholic, but I simply do not believe a man born in political times is infallible. Nope.
OT – if anyone is interested where the neocons are going next, check out cspan late in the night. They have these idiots standing in front of a camera as if in a seminar, but with no one there, spouting the worst type of claptrap. Last night it is comparing the Declaration of Independence to the Constitution was their version of what the framers ‘really’ meant. I am not smart enough to make sense of their gist, but parts sounded really fishy to me.
I bet they have a whole raft of these freebe ‘tapes’ of fake seminars being sent to cspan as we speak.
d at 161:
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
“Unless it’s the FDL Effect”
Most people at FDL seem to like Bill, so I would expect them to vote for the middle “no.”
It’s the bottom “No, it makes me less likely to vote for Lieberman” that’s surging and that doesn’t sound to me like FDL.
It’s all wild speculation on my part and whatever the truth is, it’s good for Ned.
OT CT Dems may see Joe reaching out to Clinton as another sign of his weakness and desperation that just confirms that Ned’s right, Joe’s a Republican pretending to be a Dem.
lotus, hope you are still here. Oops, the email I sent you bounced because I, ahh, umm, had a typo in the address. Yipes. Just tried again. Did I mentioned I can be rather computer-challeneged at times?
As an admitted low-tech redneck, I know they can be useful, and, I’m not too concerned about “style”.
I’m a little more worried about whether or not there’s a latent brain tumor epidemic brewing, that just hssn’t have the time to get onto the medical radar screen.
I am glad I had “function not fashion” drilled into me as a youngster. Chasing around the world for a cell phone seems a little, well, insane to me.
In terms of cell phones,if you are worried about fashion, they have you exactly where they want you as you will have to stay cool when your current phone is declared ugly. I don’t mean to be rude, as I find Trex’s writing to show alot of intelligence, but I find it nuts to hear sane people jump through hoops and pay more for a phone that may look better than another.
OK, rant over, I have to go comb my mullet.
Hey, Sid-
There is a part of me that completely agrees with you. Even as I placed the order for my new phone, a grouchy old man in my brain was holding forth at great length about the tomfoolery of dropping a hundred dollars on a flashy piece of technology.
And yet, I think it’s important to set the bar high for the objects you allow to accumulate in your life. You use them every day. Why not use something that it makes you happy to look at and hold?
And there is a huge difference between fashion and style. Ultimately, I could give a shit about fashion. Fashion is when a whole bunch of people agree upon a particular style. But any one person doing their own thing can have style.
Does that make sense? Or does it all sound like, “Blah blah blah blah, Ginger! Blah blah blah blah….”
Oh, and none of it would make a bit of difference if the phone wasn’t tough and reliable. The research I was doing indicated that this model is extremely durable and easy to use. I do NOT have a hundred dollars to shell out on something that won’t stand up to hard use.
I’m a pretty utilitarian guy, the sort who loves driving a Honda Accord because it’ll get me where I’m going fairly cheaply, and will go well past 200,000 miles.
I’m not a big cell phone user; just need one really, really badly at infrequent moments.
Virgin Mobile, baby. About $50 for the phone, and $80/year for more minutes than I wind up using.
lotus
That parrot story is too funny! I just laughed so hard and got my foot tangled up in the keyboard wire, it fell off the desk. Damn wires everywhere.
RT…I may just have to get one.
I’ve never had a cell phone, never wanted one, except when my car breaks down.
And then…I really need one.
TRex:
A hundred bucks for a phone you like is nothing to worry about, and you are right about getting something you like vs. crap if you have to carry it around everywhere, I was just ranting aimlessly mostly.
I have had cell phones hoisted on me by employers, but shun them as much as I can, of course the big exception to it being that the “house” cell phone travels with the car due to its “birth pangs”.
Ofcourse, while I mock the cell phone issue, I will search over the world for Lego sets I want so I should keep my mouth shut and work more on my mullet.
Very cool post. Imagine, running a political system like a business. If car companies were political parties, what would the Rs and Ds be? Would the Rs be Cadillac, a subsidary of GM, which is propped up by toothpicks while maintaining the illusion of greatness? Are the Ds Ford, which builds crap and greenwashes itself w/ “the first hybrid SUV?”
Meanwhile, Toyota hybrids are flying out the door…
Secret to keeping your cell phone bill under $50/month: Remember that it exists for YOUR convenience.