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Billmon, who has been doing some incredible analysis the last couple of weeks, has a spot on piece on the potential pitfalls of escalating rhetoric and hyping military potential toward Iran. He points to an article by Pat Lang in the CSMonitor (found via NoQuarter), which is truly terrifying in its potential for American troops currently on the ground in the mess that is Iraq:
American troops all over central and northern Iraq are supplied with fuel, food, and ammunition by truck convoy from a supply base hundreds of miles away in Kuwait. All but a small amount of our soldiers' supplies come into the country over roads that pass through the Shiite-dominated south of Iraq . . .Southern Iraq is thoroughly infiltrated by Iranian special operations forces working with Shiite militias, such as Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army and the Badr Brigades. Hostilities between Iran and the United States or a change in attitude toward US forces on the part of the Baghdad government could quickly turn the supply roads into a "shooting gallery" 400 to 800 miles long.
Billmon explains Lang's perspective as follows:
There's a saying: Amateurs talk strategy; professionals talk logistics. And in the case of the U.S. Army, they talk it about a lot. This has been true almost as long as there's been a U.S. Army. During the 1944-45 campaign in Europe, for example, each U.S. division consumed 650 tons of food, gas, ammo and other supplies per day -- roughly three times what the German Army managed to get by on. Logistical requirements have only exploded since then. Those lobster tails they're eating at Camp Victory don't grow on the trees.If the supply lines back to Kuwait were to be cut -- or even seriously interdicted -- the U.S. military presence in Iraq would quickly become untenable. I'm not even sure the Army could scrounge enough gas to keep the tanks and Humvees moving, given that Iraq already suffers from a severe refining capacity shortage and must import most of its gasoline from Kuwait.
Just spot on from Billmon, and something that is too often ignored by all the media "military" analysts who spend their time hawking potential war wares to keep their contracts viable, and failing to discuss the very real world issues that all those boots on the ground have to face day in and day out in the hot desert sands that threaten to swallow them entirely.
Thomas Ricks has an article in today's WaPo, discussing how the lesson of Vietnam were entirely forgotten by the neocon warhawks of the Bush Administration and the rubber stamp Congress, and that our military is paying the price for it, bit by horrible bit:
...[T]here is also strong evidence, based on a review of thousands of military documents and hundreds of interviews with military personnel, that the U.S. approach to pacifying Iraq in the months after the collapse of Hussein helped spur the insurgency and made it bigger and stronger than it might have been.The very setup of the U.S. presence in Iraq undercut the mission. The chain of command was hazy, with no one individual in charge of the overall American effort in Iraq, a structure that led to frequent clashes between military and civilian officials....
In mid-2004, Gen. George W. Casey Jr. took over from Sanchez as the top U.S. commander in Iraq. One of Casey's advisers, Kalev Sepp, pointedly noted in a study that fall that the U.S. effort in Iraq was violating many of the major principles of counterinsurgency, such as putting an emphasis on killing insurgents instead of engaging the population.
A year later, frustrated by the inability of the Army to change its approach to training for Iraq, Casey established his own academy in Taji, Iraq, to teach counterinsurgency to U.S. officers as they arrived in the country. He made attending its course there a prerequisite to commanding a unit in Iraq.
"We are finally getting around to doing the right things," Army Reserve Lt. Col. Joe Rice observed one day in Iraq early in 2006. "But is it too little, too late?"
This is wholly inexcusable. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who has spent any time at all reading history of the Middle East would have known that a counterinsurgency strategy needed to be in place from the start of this offensive.
Appalling, criminal negligence on the part of every Administration official who pushed these half-baked policies, and our soldiers are paying the price with the sacrifice of their limbs and lives and beyond, because Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney and the whole of the Bush Administration and the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress signed off on a war on the cheap, and the vague hopes of candy and flowers. None of which came to pass.
You do not go to war with plans for only the best case scenario. And it is now too late to learn that lesson on the fly, for over 2600 American servicemembers and counting who have lost their lives (and way more than that who have had their lives shattered with permanent injuries). How many more? How...many...more because these idiots refused to listen to dissent on their roses and candy planning?
I have been surprised this morning to see that none of the news shows, as yet, have asked about the waning support from Al-Sistani in Iraq. (via C&L) This would be the death knell to the Iraqi government, and especially to any cooperation with Americans on the ground. And Arthur's gloomy assessment is not making me feel any better.
As for the rest of the Middle East, and the burgeoning conflict between Isreal and Lebanon, both Swopa and Juan Cole are hitting the various bits and pieces with far more precision than my limited knowledge can. So please, take some time to read at both blogs. Additionally, Robert Worth has an op-ed piece in today's NYTimes Week in Review that is a snarky-if-depressing read, with a graphic that will make you both rip something and laugh until you cry.
Laura Rozen has had some great summaries and pieces of late as well, including this regarding the constant stream of failed American policies based on faulty information:
I have carefully read and considered US President George W. Bush's words to British Prime Minister Tony Blair that were inadvertently caught on an open microphone during the G-8 Summit in Russia last weekend: "See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hizbullah to stop doing this shit and it's over" - and I respectfully conclude that Bush doesn't know shit about shit.Bush's comment is worth analyzing because it is very telling of many things, all of them problematic for the United States and the Middle East region. In that single phrase of his, the American president compressed into two dozen words the cumulative negative consequences of Washington's unusual capacity to forge a self-defeating and counter-productive Middle East policy on the basis of a faulty analysis, in turn built on misreading local realities and not speaking to the main actors. [...]
The real irony in Bush's statement is that he wants others to pressure Syria to pressure Hizbullah to change its policies - at a moment when the central pillar of Washington's Middle East policies appears to be a refusal to speak to some of the most important political groups in the region. The US has no relations or known contacts with Iran, Hamas and Hizbullah, and is not on speaking terms with Syria, which it has mildly sanctioned.
Bush ignores at his own peril the fact that Islamist political sentiments and resistance movements are the fastest growing sector of national life in the Middle East. For the US to be squarely opposed to and unable to speak with this large part of the public spectrum is foolish enough; it is even more reflective of amateur American foreign policy-making that Washington's policies in the region are an important contributor to the expansion of such Islamist sentiments and organizations.
That the FratBoy in Chief continues to make the rest of us look like cuckholded fools is appalling enough. But to know that thousands upon thousands of American lives -- our soldiers, our diplomatic personnel, our intelligence officers, our citizens still trapped in Lebanon as the bombs continue to fall -- all of them, because the President only wants to hear people back up his view of the world...well, it's almost too much to bear this morning.
I refuse to allow this nation to slide any further. I refuse to allow our nation's military to be broken any longer by failure and incompetence from the Bush Administration. And I refuse to allow this frat boy with no ability to see past his own sycophantic echo chamber to be the sole voice of my country.
No. More.
And I refuse to let these smarmy spin merchants spend one more day with their hollow "war on terror" rhetoric without answering back: a true "war on terror" would get at the heart of the despair, the anger, the disproportionate representation, the kings that we continue to prop up and the civil rights violations in these nations that we steadfastly continue to ignore, to our detriment.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Bush, and it is about time the entire nation started calling him on it.
I hereby pledge to do whatever it takes to help the Democrats win back the House and Senate in November, to restore at least some check and balance to our government. Whatever it takes to gain some accountability for all of these many Bush Administration failures -- because the public has a right to know about each and every last one of them.
And from there, whatever it takes to prevent this sort of man from ever sitting in the Oval Office again in my lifetime -- for every election to come in my lifetime. America simply cannot afford any more of this narcissistic ego and poor excuses for public servants. The stakes are too high -- both for me and for my child and I, for one, have had more than enough.
We cannot afford any more years of unchecked power grabs by a unilateral executive who is hell bent on keeping a war going, damn the cost, to buck up his poll numbers, and a herd of yes men whose sole purpose in life is to promote whatever spin is necessary to keep the boss happy, and to hell with the consequences to the rest of us. I have had enough. And Karl Rove's reign of ends justifies the means is about to hit "game over." If there is anything at all that I can do to hasten that along, I will do so, I swear to all that is sacred.
Who is with me?
PS -- In the interest of full disclosure, I have had friends and family in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan for the last few years, and currently have a very dear friend who just shipped out to Iraq in the last month. That their lives have been treated with such a cavalier attitude by the Bush Administration, which continues its piss poor decisionmaking and decided lack of diplomacy on all fronts, is both infuriating and terrifying. We all deserve better, but especially the men and women who put their lives on the line in uniform, many of whom signed up after 9/11 in a heartfelt expression of patriotism to go after al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden, who is still, after all these years, at large. Had enough?
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Ben Weideman is pretty amazing, imho.
I am with you, Christy.
Where is everybody???
think everyone is waiting to see Tiger hoist the Claret Jug
related note: MoDo weighs in
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0722.html
Angie — perhaps this was just too depressing a read and everyone ran away?
You do not go to war with plans for only the best case scenario.
Hey, you go to war with the scenario you have, not the scenario you want.
Seriously, these people are so awful.
They’ll be here presently, Christy.
Reality is depressing, but FDLers aren’t fraidy cats.
Going out to Marin now, last Sunday’s daytrip having been postponed by a fellow Zipcar member who never returned the ’stang convertible we’d reserved.
Looking forward to this Sunday’s LateNite, when I hope our blogmistresses will reveal Soros Claus’ big shiny new nationwide TV network under the FDL Holiday Tree.
Say hello to our Uncle George for me!
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Had Enough?
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Every. single. word. is true. And I feel and believe as you do. And I still cannot believe that the D.C. dems are still fiddling while America’s standing in the world burns with white hot anger caused by their creed and total callousness.
Oh, we have had enough. But the D.C. dems have their fingers in their ears, eyes shut tight, and their mouths mubbling platitudes.
Honestly, I pray everyday that the dems take over, and then worry like hell regarding the type of dems we will have governng us then.
There is a transfusion of new blood coming from around the country to help. But the chemotherapy to fix our country’s cancer will hurt alot of people.
Regardless, I will not let fear rule me any longer. And, like you, I KNOW we must keep moving forward to lend our hands and hearts to the effort. Thanks Christy, and Jane, for voicing our worries and hopes.
Great catch Christy about the logistics. Germans and Japanese lost WWII when they lost air supremacy, because that was key in those theaters to resupply. Shiia don’t need airsupremacy to cut our supply line, just fire an rpg across the street a large, slow moving,
trucktarget.Dems need to use this kind of language, “logistics,” “occupation,” “nation building,” “Powell Doctrine,” “absence of battle plans or military objectives,” $267,000,000/day to combat the “surrender monkey” shit neocons try to hang on us.
thank you, christy.
beautifully put. i think we’ve all had enough and it’s time to stand up and say so.
the democratic neocon posturing centrists nauseate me almost as much as the criminal enterprise that is the bushreich.
I’m with you too Christy. In fact I already have on my black clothes to go be a Woman in Black. When I started doing this (women in black) there were about 10 of us at my location (the Edmonds WA ferry dock) and now last week there were about 30 of us. The honks for peace have increased, and the obscenities hurled at us have stayed as angry but become fewer. There are always the same three to five pro-war demonstrators and they are always real angry.
I appreciate FDL so much because so many of us here are engaged in some kind of action, and so many of us have some kind of influence in the world beyond our community here. I feel less powerless because of my connection to this community and Roots and I thank you all for all you do.
Christy - it is depressing but we did not run away unless a summer Sunday afternoon has others busy outside.
But also, what is there to say after your telling the truth of our situation. Other than we stand with you.
When I feel absolutely defeated by what they have done to our glorious country and wonder if a new day will ever come, I see John Dean up front work hard and telling the unvarnished truth. People like Howard Dean who left his beautiful state to take up the battle to restore our greatness and he is not giving up — so I will not. And the people here who are fighting help me continue to look for good.
Christy - While I realize that emptywheel’s most recent thread on The Next Hurrah has already been mentioned in a prior thread, I think that it’s appropriate because of your comments to post the link to her thread here: http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c......html#more
I have some questions:
Is everyone else as scared of what is going on in Lebanon as I am?
Ever wonder why the DC crowd does not see the urgency of how badly things are going in that region?
How do we as a community combat the militarization of our society? What I see is the acceptance of torcher with movies out there glorifying it.
I had to stop watching the news because it hurt too much, the heart sickness just hurt too much.
Gonna post this here as well, and hit the road and read Christie’s latest in the campground this evening. But can’t resist posting this near the top of a thread, to celebrate wilderness.
The link to this thread is that while our government may be broken, I believe that the American people are not (yet), and that some proof of this is to see them fishing and inner-tubing with laughter out here in the wild country. These are decent people. How to reach them with our story?
Am reading FDL from the parking lot of Buffalo Run Campground, Island Park, Idaho, 14 miles due west of Yellowstone National Park as the bald eagle flies.
We are headed a few miles up the road to Big Springs, where we’ll drop off our canoe at the put-in, drive down to the take-out at Mack’s Inn, put on our life-jackets and stick out our thumbs for a ride back up to the put-in for a 2-3 hour paddle down the river. We’ll have our eyes out for moose, deer, bald eagles, great blue herons, osprey, and of course ducks.
We’re about 30 miles east of Red Rocks National Wildlife Refuge, the site of one of the success stories of recovering a species that humans had driven to the edge of extinction.
How was it that the American people managed to reverse the harm it had done to the trumpeter swan? to the bald eagle? to the wolves? Can we do the same regarding global warming?
I think that the people are not broken; the system is. And I have some faith that we can repair it, if we work hard, and if we reach out to the red state people in language that they understand.
GW Bush has broken their country too, after all.
There was and is a very good reason for “Vietnam Syndrome.” While Mr. Bush’s neoconservative “military experts” were rejecting the lessons of Vietnam, Saddam was learning them. When the neocons thought they were fooling the American people the truth is, as experience has shown, that Saddam was fooling them.
Mehlman:
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We stand for Israel even if we have to stand alone.
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http://releases.usnewswire.com.....p?id=69417
I’m with you Christy.
Bravo Christy. I’m with you too. I’m lying in bed at night with nightmarish visions of suffering in the Mideast. And horrible visions of the future. Your post brought tears to my eyes.
If there is any justice in this world, chimp and his henchmen will face the judgement of the world at Hague. I pray for that day.
I’m in.
Working not for myself, but for my children.
Folks are still posting the National Park thread — I posted a comment on the Billmon piece at Steve Gilliard’s place earlier today. Steve has been all over the threat to our forces in Iraq, but it is good to see military analysts talk about it.
The only thing Bush responds to is political pain — and the only thing that will constrain him in this debacle is $5 per gallon gasoline. If Iran were to suspend exports, that would get Bush’s attention right now.
spel chek alurt — cavalier, not cavelier . . .
Christy - well said. I stopped over at MFIs and he simply posted “I told you so” and linked to the Lang piece but also to his own post from several months ago about the supply issues which has some good explanations in the comments:
http://gorillasguides.blogspot.....-tail.html
… this problem was not unseen by military people but it seems the US military is unable to even protect its own interests against rummybushco.
And the devastation goes on …
Ask Napoleon Bonaparte who marched on Moscow with 500,000 and returned with 10,000. Arriving in the
fabled city, the army badly in need of resupply
found it empty of people and rations. The retreat
south found Cossacks attacking stragglers and the long winter bereft of food.
1,220 DAYS AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Harden Smith:
Thanx for the wake up call…it is clear that ALL Democratic candidates in every race from Senate ta dogcatcher must make the war and our unleashing of Israel the ONLY issue. There is not an issue, from the economy and oil to the Bill of Rights thru the environment, that doesn’t begin with the war. And that’s why the fascists,corporatists and the Republicrats in the Democratic Party are all runnin’ scared shit less that the Democratic Party is findin’ it’s scource of testosterone.
I want to state here for the record, that I too have been whistlin’ in the dark lately, pretendin’ that the politics of the moment and the campaign for November will somehow take care of the problem. The kids hunkered down in the desert, gettin’ their asses shot off runnin’ guard duty for corporate mercenaries are our responsibility RIGHT NOW!!! There will be no November elections and there will be no US Army left on the ground by November if we don’t rise up and make the war the only issue in politics at every level.
I’m back inta dispair here folks, I jest had ta take a buddy a mine back inta treatment, he’d been sober fer 20 years and all he could say all the way to the VA was “why are they doin’ it all again?” The last few months he had been tryin’ ta make contact with old vet partners and the stuff on the television screens brought the nightmares back.
“Oh God, forgive me my little jokes on thee and I will forfive thee thy great big one one me”.
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE NO PRISONERS, THERE IS NO MORALITY AS LONG AS THIS WAR CONTINUES!!!
katymine #14, the DC crowd is too busy with rapture fantasies and plunder gathering to notice or care.
I’m waiting for some wingnut to claim he’s giving ideas to the enemy.
Christy :: you have truly reached the Big Time about the Middle East — Prof. Juan Juan Cole at Informed Comment linked to this post http://www.juancole.com/
Out mowing the lawn and thinking about loose threads of thought, the John Dean CSPAN BookTV, the attack on kos after Yearlykos and the current mess “war on Terror” and it all fits.
Per John Dean, they believe in an athoritarian rule and mine set. Take that to the attack on the left blogosphere. Since their mind set is in that meme, then it is only obvious that Markos gets attacked since they would never understand what a community is.
Then you take it to the war in Terror and how the groups are organized. There is no clear leader, they are independent cells working towards to a common goal but no clear leadership and chain of command. That is why they cannot fight that war effectively.
That is why the grassroots and the blogosphere would be very effective at fighting terrorism because we understand their organization. Beside the fact that we also undertand that honey gets more than the big stick.
as MFI points out in the comments linked above, the logistics have been outsourced to Halliburton making this an even more dreadful situation
Norske,
Bless you for taking care of your buddy.
We always see your raging energy but you have a very tender side too. You see what is being killed here.
Christy-
We breathe deeply and bear down on the text as we digest a piece like this. Reread it and digest this assemblage of facts and opinion, weigh it against what we thought we knew before, and let it set in. Reread the Billmon piece, check out Larry Johnson, look in on Arthur Silber, and summarize with Laura Rozen. And sigh. Then we regain our footing and, like you, say “Had Enough?”.
Great morning start. Who ever said a call to action wouldn’t be scary? Brava dear. And Thank you.
Norske– The war and our unleashing of our proxy is a central issue for me. If a candidate won’t even address the question, forget my support.
I agree whole heartedly with Rami Khouri here:
it is even more reflective of amateur American foreign policy-making that Washington’s policies in the region are an important contributor to the expansion of such Islamist sentiments and organizations.
Fucking amateurs.
>Who is with me?
Count me in.
an important CT endorsement for Mr. Lamont http://www.courant.com/news/op.....3559.story
This is very good on the danger of “losing our entire army” that Gary Hart warned of in the http://www.PrairieWeather.TYPEPAD.com but sums up the really criminal negligence of the bush/rumsfeld/cheney cabal but the PTBs have thinktanks working for them and I think this destruction of our military was and is deliberate for the New World Order. Please write on the “superhighway” and its connection to the North American Union and the destruction of US sovereignty.
I am so very sad and outraged by all of this and the photos of Israeli children signing bombs and the horrific photos of the Lebanese children who received the “messages”.
My dad, who served in the US Navy 1957-1961, passed away on the fourth of July. My dad hated that Gore had selected Lieberman as his running mate. My family moved to FL from CT when I was a boy. In Dad’s (Florida) obit, I suggested donations to Ned Lamont for Senator, and included was the snail mail address for donations - in Green Farms, CT. I hope it helped. I figured it was better than suggesting donations to the Weak Kneed Triangulators.
I am boiling with anger to find that Bush is rushing precision guided bombs to Israel. We are telling the entire world we are actively aiding the Israelis. People won’t fail to see that this is no different than Iran or Syria’s efforts to resuplly Hezbollah.
This will anger the Arab governments and other governments around the world. Pity our troops suffering the consequences.
It’s bad enough that this country gives $2.5 B a year to Israel at taxpayer expense and supplies them with the latest weaponry and now to actively support them when they are wrong ally or not.
We now know that AIPAC was spying on us and yet we continue to support Israel.
I used to feel sorry for Israel, but no more. In 1948 they were given a country and through aggression they have continued to steal land way beyond what was given to them. I don’t blame the Palestinians for fighting back the monster that is Israel.
The media helps Bush by lying about how this latest disaster started so thatit appears that it is the Palestinians and Hamas with Hezbollah now jumping into the fray that is the entire cause of this miscalculation on the part of Israel.
If Israel thinks they can turn the Lebanese population against Hezbollah by killings hundreds of civilians in areas where hezbollah does not exist they are sadly mistaken. The real outcome will be that all of Lebanon will join with Hezbollah to fight off an outside threat. After it’s all over, there will be a nice civil war in Lebanon to put the frosting on the cake.
Bush has ignored the Israel-Palestinian situation for the past 5 yrs. and this is the result.
It seems the entire world is calling for a cease fire except our ignorant government.
Bush’s stated goal was to diffuse Muslim animosity towards the U.S. His actions are a contradiction.
Hezbollah and Israel are both wrong, but Israel fueled the fire by its literal overkill reaction for the kidnapping of some Israeli soldiers.
I think part of Israel’s true plan is to annex Lebanon up to the Litani River since they have wanted that since 1948 because of the water supply.
Force Israel back to their 1967 borders. Hell, no. Force them back to their 1948 borders.
George Bush made it a war between Islam and the West; it is a false war and he needs to be held to account.
We need to make the peace– there is precious little difference between all people. We all yearn for safety and dignity.
bless you, hackworth.
To The Concerned Citizen of The World:
“Killing innocent civilians is NOT an act of self-defense. Destroying a sovereign nation is NOT a measured response.”
The second I would recommend, with a caveat that it is hard to see without sobbing:
http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/
This shows the real face, or rather the consequences of, real evil. And yes, Israel’s 23 years
of genocidal attacks against Lebanon are unmitigatedly evil. As is the United States’ 15 year
long genocidal war against the Iraqi peoples. That’s just a very small part of what’s going on
today, of course. We’ve covered a lot of history in these pages before.
And here’s one more, about what some noble Hasidic Rabbis are doing, and have been doing
for years. Their organization is called Neturei Karta and their website is:
www.nkusa.org
God bless them.
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Please go to http://julywar.epetition.net and sign the Save the Lebanese Civilians Petition and forward this invitation to your friends.
Lebanese civilians have been under the constant attack of the state of Israel for several days.
The State of Israel, in disregard to international law and the Geneva Convention, is launching a maritime and air siege targeting the entire population of the country. Innocent civilians are being collectively punished in Lebanon by the state of Israel in deliberate acts of terrorism as described in Article 33 of the Geneva Convention.
With ya, Christie. And an incisive, troubling post. YEsterday I passed a Honk Against the War rally while traveling to the next county. It was entirely comprised of white haired, marvelous elderly citizens. I was surprised, though, why no broader spectrum of voters in attendance? I’m hoping it doesn’t represent a larger meta-complaisance in the face of disaster. Then again, lots of honks as I was passing by.
I’ve been on board since Howard Dean asked “What I wanna know…”
Ok folks, if one song could change a million votes in November, what would you do?
Pass it on to your lists!
a href=”http://www.tellercreations.com/goperslament.mp3″>Goper’s Lament
Five day forecast for Baghdad:
Sunday 113F (45C) | 80F (27C)
Monday 117F (47C) | 84F (29C)
Tuesday 118F (48C) | 86F (30C)
Wednesday 120F (49C) | 84F (29C)
Thursday 120F (49C) | 86F (30C)
Goper’s Lament
Sorry for the bad link.
Hackworth … what a wonderful way to pay tribute to your father! thank you!
If you don’t mow the lawn, the anti-HOA terrorists will win . . .
I am with you. Among other things, I fight for my father, who used to be a lifelong Republican, but now thinks things are so bad we may not recover.
On a tactical level, I’m working the Webb campaign as a twofer — to take back the Senate and “to prevent this sort of man from ever sitting in the Oval Office again.” Allen is exactly another Bush; a self-centered know-nothing with a phony image of “authenticity,” and destroying his presidential aspirations will be an accomplishment in itself.
Forgot to mention this, but yes, I’m with you, Christy.
A vote for ANY Republican is a vote for Bush . . .
MSNBC showing unedited footage from Tyre … the first time the media has shown what it really looks like … of course they quickly cut away … can’t have any americans seeing blood after all.
I’m reposting, with cleanup, my EPU’d post from below.
This ties in part to the Soros book, but the militarization of the response to 9/11, set the stage for a lot of what has happened. A “war” declared, where there is no readily distinguishable enemy, but rather a situation where whole cultures, religions, geographic regions and ethnic affiliations all where equated in a manner that levelled proof and facts and mission and goals before a pure desire to show force and hit back. The direction of the blow was unimportant and the victims of the blow equally so. Suskind discusses, in a pretty believable manner, that Bush’s theory is an unprovoked blow out of the blue to someone unexpecting is more effective in shaking up your “opponents” than a specific response.
That seems to be the theory, with an incoherent post-blow effort to make the blow a “reasoned” reaction by defining the “opponents” to be those that took the blow - no matter what the underlying facts. As a matter of fact, the facts become just as much the opponent with that approach.
The Bush administration was being warned, feverishly warned, by people who were connecting the dots, and they ignored it in the same manner as the Katrina video shows Bush ignoring that briefing.
I can understand how Ricks or those in the military he has spoken to now may have the best of intentions on saying that they feel we need to stay and do “something” for “the Iraqis who relied on us” and to just be able to leave a stable structure behind. But it’s blindness, IMO, and especially coupled with this administration. The peace is war; torture is humane treatment; reality is what we make up; breaking the law is being the law; Justice is lawbreaking; the military is a non-domestic civilian force; our domestic civilian policing entities are now militaries to be employed against our citizens; DOJ’s function is to protect the Executive lawbreaking function, etc. - that approach will never be able to dig in and do anything productive in the ME.
The only people who make any sense to me are the few who have been coming out and saying lately that we have now completely lost, not only the current but the upcoming generation of fundamentalist Muslim “hearts and minds”
and we have grown the fundamentalist roots at an alarming rate.
Whether it is the civil war in Iraq or the “insurgency” in Iraq, in either situation - there is no way for our soldiers to identify enemy. That has been partly the intent of hte administration, bc a well thought through effort would have resulted in a much more restricted military, and much more emphaszied policing, approach to the overall problem and would never have ended up with us in Iraq. But that’s not the choice that was made.
With what we have and the choices that have been made to get us here, there is no way staying in Iraq makes the situation better IMO. I don’t think that just to spite the idiotic warmongering shills and charlatans in the First Assembly of the House of Bush church, although the temptation for spite is strong. But no temptation makes you look at a situation like what has evolved and want anything more than to make it better. Staying won’t do that. The military was, and continues to be, sold the concepts to make the “war” on terror in general and Iraq and ME targets more specifically, palatable. Weary kids, getting very little break, are told that they are the front line on the war on terror. Who is the “enemy” they are sold and told?
In one of the cases that is being tried, it has come out that the Rules of Engagement included all “military age men.” How do you add to the stability of a country when you are equally a source of danger to all the civilians there? When “all military age men” are targets - how is there any line between civilian and enemy? How does a military force address civilian on civilian violence without killing civilians?
How do you go from the “shock and awe” original gameplan that authorized use of souped up napalm, to destructions of cities like Fallujah and infrastructure, to the Abu Ghraib et al situations that the military warned DOJ would happen, to an Administration that still uses DOJ to push the theme that torture is humane treatment, shipments to Syria for torture are ok and the crime is mentioning them out loud, to being a “hearts and minds” winning stabilizing force? How do you take soldiers that were indoctrinated to hate Iraqis who “caused” 9/11 and whose day to day experiences and military news, procedures, ditching of Geneva Conventions, etc. have taught and allowed them to hate their occupied native population so they laugh at the punch lines of songs that include holding children up to take bullets in the brain and make them the “friendly cop on the corner?” When civilians are equally blown apart by terrorists, sectarian civil war violence, and US military seeking to “combat” each of the above, how does the civilian population learn to trust and look to American forces for help and stability?
The fact that there are finally some voices that are focusing on the real issues and trying to truly decide what needs to be done to deal with the situation positively is almost more discouraging than if they were not. Bc they are now desparately gaming the “what ifs” as if, as if there were things that just got overlooked and are fixable now. As if they do not have to respond to a civilian chain of command that is equal parts corruption, incompetence, and a now systemic blended mix of naricissitic lawless pointless self-justified sadism. The only pony there is a half-used fly laden can of Ken-L Ration.
Any well intentioned “what ifs” aside, we seem to be, and to have been for some time, at a place where bodies and dollars and other threats and domestic needs and poor leadership on so many disparate fronts have all aligned to make any real opportunity to do anything substantively different an illusion. That is even if you pretend to accept that this venture could have been, at the beginning, anything but a doomed effort based on a fallacy of information and a failure of logic in response to the nature of the threat.
Now, you take a doomed effort and add a military that hates the population they are there to “save.” And that cannot really evaluate and discriminate within the native occupied population - not only can they not discriminate on ethnic, linguistic and religious fronts - but even on the instrinsic to war front of Civilian v. Non-civilian.
Assaults and occupations that have no ability to distinguish civilian populations, even if they had desire to distinguish, are pretty fatally hamstrung. When the politicizing fed to the troops to guarantee Republican support is a demonization of all the population and when the day to day reality is constant attacks on the military from undifferentiated sources, then even the desire to distinguish between the civilian population is lost.
That’s not the description of a force that will add stability.
Our troops are being taken for granted out there. I don’t particularly agree with some of the reasons people have when they decide to join the military. However, I would like to think that our government would do everything in its power to protect them and give them the tools they need to do their job and return safely. After all, we’re the US of A! We have more money than god!
We know by example after example though that this is not the case - the troops are just pawns to Rummy and crew. Today I read Burt Bacharach’s post on Huffpo about Operation Helmet. This seems to me to be the perfect way for a progressive pacifist like me to support the troops without supporting the war. Please read his post and follow the comments to the donation site. Operation Helmet is a grassroots organization (they list the organizer’s home phone on the site!) that is sending kits, one at a time, to marines in Iraq to refit their helmets so that they actually protect their heads - something the Pentagon won’t do.
I paid for one kit today. If you can spare it, please consider doing so too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....25418.html
Redshift :: I became seriously upset at George Felix Allen during the Bolton confirmation hearings … he was parroting the most inane neocon foreign policy soundbites and blather …
You speak for me Christy.
Sign me up.
Months ago I bet Mr. Rev $100 that W would not serve out his term.
I will do everything within my power to win the bet.
And it’s NOT about the money.
Christy, if you didn’t know before, I’M IN.
George Felix Allen is a racist and a dolt.
I know him personally.
Go Webb and Redshift!
It was encouraging to read about your care of your buddy, Norske. I hope he is doing well. Love and friendship are wonderfully healing.
We need to care for each other. The PTBs have been trying to destroy community for so long because community and caring are empowering against their “useless” eaters, unconscionable selfishness and greed and attempts to manipulate and endoctrinate people to their destructive philosophies.
“Each for himself is still the rule, We learn it when we go to school.”
Uhhh . . . PTBs?
Back in the ’60’s I was in a combat engineering outfit, and we were taught that it was all about logistics. We had to be self-sufficient; the infantry was ahead of us clearing the way, we were in the middle building roads, bridges, water supplies and communications systems. The quartermaster corps followed behind providing food, clean water, boots, clothes, tents, etc. We would never have imagined some contractor building the infrastructure, because that would compromise our self-sufficiency. I just don’t see how the current ’stratergy’ can work, given the logistical requirements in any military force.
However, suppose that the logistics-as-primary-function is applied to what we are doing now in the blogosphere. What would we design to achieve our objectives of a complete turnover of the government to progressive ideals.
We are behind you Christy; now we need to transform our society so we once again have good government. What are the logistics needed to do that?
Sorry for the long windedness; I didn’t know how to say it any other way at the moment.
1. I’m glad to see this article by Ms. Smith. Those of you who feel a bit “lost” by some of the complexities going on over there ought to just read this article and the links provided by Ms. Smith. A good primer. The logistics issues are nothing “new” to those with real combat experience. Our own military has just been “holding its breath” now for actually a couple of years. Its good to get these matters into discussion.
2. A couple of possible warning signals I’m picking up on. They could flare…or dissolve. But a couple of things to watch:
a) this very morning a cnn reporter named Weideman (sp?) filed a report from Beirut. His crew got into an argument with some refugees. It settled down…until another man in the crowd ran up and began striking the crew. Weideman’s folks had to flee. These could be the beginnings of open anger towards anything “American”. Ramifications, of course, are very dangerous.
b) members of the Iraqi parliament have demanded that the prime minister cancel his planned visit to D.C. to protest America’s involvement in the Lebanon conflict. If the demand gains traction, we’ve got a very serious political firestorm brewing. We’ll have to wait and see.
Ghostman
I’m with you but it was alarming to hear Rep. Jane Harman this morning buy into the administration’s line of bull completely. She agreed that a ceasefire now would mean nothing. (Tell that to the mothers of dead children.)
I understand that she must support Israel, but to make no distinction between the Democratic position and the President’s was alarming. We cannot win that way.
djmm
We’re all with you, Christy, and with each other. OT, but not, the FightingDems have a diary over at dkos spotlighting three Florida Congressional candidates. Rick Penberthy is one of them, and Kevin is there to answer questions. So far it isn’t getting a lot of attention, so y’all might go over and say hello. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/23/125813/543
Great comment Mary.
This is what emptywheel is always talking about the difference between a Third Generation War and Fourth Generation War:
1st Generation: Land War only
2nd Generation: Land and Sea war only
3rd Generation: Land, Sea, and Air war only
“War always changes. Our enemies learn and adapt, and we must do the same or lose. But today, war is changing faster and on a larger scale than at any time in the last 350 years. Not only are we, as Marines, facing rapid change in how war is fought, we are facing radical changes in who fights and what they are fighting for.
All over the world, state militaries, including our own, find themselves fighting non‑state opponents. This kind of war, which we call Fourth Generation war, is a very difficult challenge. Almost always, state militaries have vast superiority over their non‑state opponents in most of what we call “combat power:” technology, weapons, techniques, training, etc. Despite these superiorities, more often than not, state militaries end up losing.
America’s greatest military theorist, Air Force Colonel John Boyd, used to say:
“When I was a young officer, I was taught that if you have air superiority, land superiority and sea superiority, you win. Well, in Vietnam we had air superiority, land superiority and sea superiority, but we lost. So I realized there is something more to it.”
This FMFM is about that “something more.” In order to fight Fourth Generation war and win, Marines need to understand what that “something more” is. That in turn requires an intellectual framework – a construct that helps us make sense of facts and events, both current and historical….”
Right on. Spot on. Just ON! We must all take some sort of tangible action to end the neocon war wetdream. It is beyond urgent! “I’m mad as hell and not going to take it anymore!”
djmm– why must she support Israel in this?
I’m with you
Christy—IWY.
katymine–yes, I’m terribly worried and scared about what’s going on now. I see our soldiers as pawns on a massive chess board, and someone very skilled is opposing….Georgie. And George needs his nap, was never very good at the game anyway, so he flounces off in a huff.
Our soldiers? Still there. Georgie’s napping.
I see the many lives blown apart in Lebanon and cry. STOP this, now. Jaw-jaw better than war-war (Churchill).
Jonathan Chait: Is Bush Still Too Dumb to Be President?
You can’t run a country on horse sense.
http://www.latimes.com/news/op.....columnists
Yes, and the country and the world suffers as a result.
Christy, I just plain love you, with your powerful heart, your courage, your keen mind, and your fierce spirit. It’s not easy to look these things with both eyes and heart wide open.
Janet
There is a HUGE difference between supporting Israel, and shipping bombs to the IDF to expedite a war of aggression against Lebanese civilians.
AIPAC has an inordinate influence over American Politicians, because of their ability to cut off the donations for any politician that crosses them.
That said, every President except Bush has tried to stop the hostilities, not use them as an excuse to start another war.
I will do everything in my power to help elect Democrats, but the damage done in the meantime may be irreversible.
Prof #16 - You are probably on the river. But wanted to give a shout out for the Red Rock National Wildlife Refuge. Great place. I jealous. Have fun.
Janet at 71 — right back at you, baby!
Mary:
You do take my breath away…
…”warmongering shills and charlatans in the First Assembly of the House of Bush church, although the temptation for spite is strong.”
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I’m reminded of a Brit. superspy movie out about the same time as Dr. No. Every day his atrocity/folly continues it makes more sense. I think it was called “Beau Brummel.” Semi-famous next to Fleming work.
The key was on a foot long snip of audio tape from a ‘Middle East source. Al that could be heard was:
“…ate the ruler and the ack…” Turns out our hero manages to fill it out and save the world. Or the Empire. The full quote is:
“Assassinate the Ruler, and the Akhbar oil concession is yours.”
——
This ain’t Yellow Brick Road: I’ve Seen That Movie Too.’
“I can tell by your eyes you must be lying, when you think I don’t have a clue…”
Christy,
Your last several paragraphs say it all for me and my family. I will do all I can to take your clear and very succinct words to others.
Pete (So WV)
Accurate in all respects, until you reach the part where you begin to display faith in the Democratic Party.
Great peice Cristy.
These guys are nuts. Isreali can slaughter as many Lebanese in the name of the “war on terror” and they do it with out ok-dokey.
The Arab street thinks Isreal is doing this on our orders — we’re certainly not telling them to stop. What’s next? The voice of the white house says Isreal will widen the war by bombing, possibly with nukes, Syria. Then maybe Iran. This will be done shortly before the mid-term elections.
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2437.htm
I don’t think the Rethuglicans have to provoke another shooting war to keep control of both houses: they Diebold and ESS machines will do that for them. Kudos to Kennedy for the Rolling Stone piece pointing out how they stole Ohio.
My puzzlement is why the Dems are totally silent on this issue? Do they ever want to win the white house again? Do they think that Rethuglican-owned companies like ESS, Sequoa and Diebold are going to suddenly start stealing elections for them instead? It makes no sense.
http://www.bradblog.com/
JohnC - IMO, it’s not a failure of superiority of military force. It’s not even a victory of assymetrical response. It’s a matter of not really having a militarily attainable goal. Ever.
tryggth @ 10:55 am (#44) - Those Baghdad low temps are the highs here and we’re calling it a heat wave. We in the NW don’t have much air conditioning either, but we normally don’t need it. It’s hell when you do, though.
This is yet another reason things are so crazy in Iraq. Not that they need any more reason than anarchy followed by lawlessness fueled by centuries of grievances.
Thank you Mary, you are correct, I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.
fred –
Just like the Army of the Potamac and General McClellan, the Democratic Party is the only opposition game in town . . .
Ned Lamont serves notice on the beltway cowards that if they don’t fight for us, they may be next . . .
Oops, I have to proof read more.
Isreal can bomb Lebanese “with OUR okey-dokey” is what I meant to say.
Also, what good is supporting Dems like Hilary or Feinstein or Durbin when they are bought and paid for by AIPAC?
Christy,
The people I’ve known who’ve served in Iraq are at one remove from me: the best friend of one of my nephews (who is out now but has PTSD, like so many others); a young man my next-door-neighbor knows, who was in the reserves and was supposed to be done, but has been recalled. The latest is the oldest son of a woman I know, who told me the other day that he is enlisting. All she can do is support him and pray for his safe return. And the best thing we can do for her and her son, and all the others, is to remove from office, and from power, the people responsible for this travesty.
Count me in.
I gotta proofread better.
I mean to say Isreal can bomb all the Lebanese they want with “OUR okey-dokey.”
Also, just a question: what’s the point of supporting Dems like Hillary, Feinstein or Durbin and others when they are so obviously bought and paid for by AIPAC?
It colors everything they do and is why they aren’t more aggressively against the Iraq war.
I realize the Dems are the only other party we got but we need to tell them to represent US and not Isreal.
what’s the point of supporting dems like Hilary, Wienstein or Durbin when they are bought and paid for by AIPAC?
“Just like the Army of the Potamac and General McClellan, the Democratic Party is the only opposition game in town.”
Thank you -ck-, loved that one.
Yesterday there was an account of another family killed in Baghdad by US troops. Grandmother, mother, child, or something like that. The US troops had been fired on from a rooftop they said, the shooter was not found, but the innocents ended up dead. Basically, we now trust no one, no civilian, just kill them. This is policy, or so the article said. (I don’t know where I read it, but I think from the British press, Reuters maybe). The evolution of policy, I guess.
All I could think was that we have reached the “gook” stage of the Vietnamization of Iraq. And that is the end.
There is no hope that anything good will now or ever come of this. When I heard Condi with the “moving forward” (birth pangs) remark, I was just sick. They just don’t get it.
I believe we are in the last throes of the Bush admin. I know I should not say it. I hope we are not in the last throes of civilization.
I am working, Christy. I am with you.
John C - I meant that as agreeing with the quote - there must be something more. I think the something more is a mission that is, ulitmiately, achievable militarily. That was a big piece that was missing from both Vietnam and Iraq IMO.
Blank K -I’ll have to see if I can find that. Beau Brummel. I just watched Syriana last night, pretty late, when I got power back.
I was at a seminar awhile back where a geologist/exec with an oil company was discussing reserves and the ME and mentioned “so you can see, its not a bad place to have an army” or something along those lines. But even if the concept was protecting the resource, destablization of the entire areas was a disastrous approach. And it did nothing for the surface justification of fighting al-Qaeda.
I am so with you on this. My local pub has being subjected to a torrent of my obsessive criticism of these idiot “leaders” of ours, and you know what? They’re not getting sick of it at all. There is hope.
This just in from the department of hte bleedin’ obvious . . .
Ricks: “There is also strong evidence . . .that the U.S. approach to pacifying Iraq in the months after the collapse of Hussein helped spur the insurgency and made it bigger and stronger than it might have been.”
So it took Ricks 3 years to figure that out? I guess doing those hundreds of interviews took a lot of time.
Well, Tom, thanks for letting us know about it — now that it’s absolutely too late to do a damned thing about it.
Cujo359 - NW native myself. But sweltering in the Bay area right now.
There was a reason Cheney/Rummy were eager to kick off their clambake in mid-March 2003. Wish I had a way to watch realtime the flow of small arms traffic…