
***REMINDER: George Soros will be here today to talk about his latest book, The Age of Fallibility, in the FDL Book Salon at 5:00 pm ET/2:00 pm PT. Should be a fantastic book discussion!***
Billmon, who has been doing some incredible analysis the last couple of weeks, has a spot on piece on the potential pitfalls of escalating rhetoric and hyping military potential toward Iran. He points to an article by Pat Lang in the CSMonitor (found via NoQuarter), which is truly terrifying in its potential for American troops currently on the ground in the mess that is Iraq:
American troops all over central and northern Iraq are supplied with fuel, food, and ammunition by truck convoy from a supply base hundreds of miles away in Kuwait. All but a small amount of our soldiers’ supplies come into the country over roads that pass through the Shiite-dominated south of Iraq . . .
Southern Iraq is thoroughly infiltrated by Iranian special operations forces working with Shiite militias, such as Moqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army and the Badr Brigades. Hostilities between Iran and the United States or a change in attitude toward US forces on the part of the Baghdad government could quickly turn the supply roads into a "shooting gallery" 400 to 800 miles long.
Billmon explains Lang’s perspective as follows:
There’s a saying: Amateurs talk strategy; professionals talk logistics. And in the case of the U.S. Army, they talk it about a lot. This has been true almost as long as there’s been a U.S. Army. During the 1944-45 campaign in Europe, for example, each U.S. division consumed 650 tons of food, gas, ammo and other supplies per day — roughly three times what the German Army managed to get by on. Logistical requirements have only exploded since then. Those lobster tails they’re eating at Camp Victory don’t grow on the trees.If the supply lines back to Kuwait were to be cut — or even seriously interdicted — the U.S. military presence in Iraq would quickly become untenable. I’m not even sure the Army could scrounge enough gas to keep the tanks and Humvees moving, given that Iraq already suffers from a severe refining capacity shortage and must import most of its gasoline from Kuwait.
Just spot on from Billmon, and something that is too often ignored by all the media "military" analysts who spend their time hawking potential war wares to keep their contracts viable, and failing to discuss the very real world issues that all those boots on the ground have to face day in and day out in the hot desert sands that threaten to swallow them entirely.
Thomas Ricks has an article in today’s WaPo, discussing how the lesson of Vietnam were entirely forgotten by the neocon warhawks of the Bush Administration and the rubber stamp Congress, and that our military is paying the price for it, bit by horrible bit:
…[T]here is also strong evidence, based on a review of thousands of military documents and hundreds of interviews with military personnel, that the U.S. approach to pacifying Iraq in the months after the collapse of Hussein helped spur the insurgency and made it bigger and stronger than it might have been.
The very setup of the U.S. presence in Iraq undercut the mission. The chain of command was hazy, with no one individual in charge of the overall American effort in Iraq, a structure that led to frequent clashes between military and civilian officials….
In mid-2004, Gen. George W. Casey Jr. took over from Sanchez as the top U.S. commander in Iraq. One of Casey’s advisers, Kalev Sepp, pointedly noted in a study that fall that the U.S. effort in Iraq was violating many of the major principles of counterinsurgency, such as putting an emphasis on killing insurgents instead of engaging the population.
A year later, frustrated by the inability of the Army to change its approach to training for Iraq, Casey established his own academy in Taji, Iraq, to teach counterinsurgency to U.S. officers as they arrived in the country. He made attending its course there a prerequisite to commanding a unit in Iraq.
"We are finally getting around to doing the right things," Army Reserve Lt. Col. Joe Rice observed one day in Iraq early in 2006. "But is it too little, too late?"
This is wholly inexcusable. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who has spent any time at all reading history of the Middle East would have known that a counterinsurgency strategy needed to be in place from the start of this offensive.
Appalling, criminal negligence on the part of every Administration official who pushed these half-baked policies, and our soldiers are paying the price with the sacrifice of their limbs and lives and beyond, because Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney and the whole of the Bush Administration and the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress signed off on a war on the cheap, and the vague hopes of candy and flowers. None of which came to pass.
You do not go to war with plans for only the best case scenario. And it is now too late to learn that lesson on the fly, for over 2600 American servicemembers and counting who have lost their lives (and way more than that who have had their lives shattered with permanent injuries). How many more? How…many…more because these idiots refused to listen to dissent on their roses and candy planning?
I have been surprised this morning to see that none of the news shows, as yet, have asked about the waning support from Al-Sistani in Iraq. (via C&L) This would be the death knell to the Iraqi government, and especially to any cooperation with Americans on the ground. And Arthur’s gloomy assessment is not making me feel any better.
As for the rest of the Middle East, and the burgeoning conflict between Isreal and Lebanon, both Swopa and Juan Cole are hitting the various bits and pieces with far more precision than my limited knowledge can. So please, take some time to read at both blogs. Additionally, Robert Worth has an op-ed piece in today’s NYTimes Week in Review that is a snarky-if-depressing read, with a graphic that will make you both rip something and laugh until you cry.
Laura Rozen has had some great summaries and pieces of late as well, including this regarding the constant stream of failed American policies based on faulty information:
I have carefully read and considered US President George W. Bush’s words to British Prime Minister Tony Blair that were inadvertently caught on an open microphone during the G-8 Summit in Russia last weekend: "See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hizbullah to stop doing this shit and it’s over" – and I respectfully conclude that Bush doesn’t know shit about shit.
Bush’s comment is worth analyzing because it is very telling of many things, all of them problematic for the United States and the Middle East region. In that single phrase of his, the American president compressed into two dozen words the cumulative negative consequences of Washington’s unusual capacity to forge a self-defeating and counter-productive Middle East policy on the basis of a faulty analysis, in turn built on misreading local realities and not speaking to the main actors. [...]
The real irony in Bush’s statement is that he wants others to pressure Syria to pressure Hizbullah to change its policies – at a moment when the central pillar of Washington’s Middle East policies appears to be a refusal to speak to some of the most important political groups in the region. The US has no relations or known contacts with Iran, Hamas and Hizbullah, and is not on speaking terms with Syria, which it has mildly sanctioned.
Bush ignores at his own peril the fact that Islamist political sentiments and resistance movements are the fastest growing sector of national life in the Middle East. For the US to be squarely opposed to and unable to speak with this large part of the public spectrum is foolish enough; it is even more reflective of amateur American foreign policy-making that Washington’s policies in the region are an important contributor to the expansion of such Islamist sentiments and organizations.
That the FratBoy in Chief continues to make the rest of us look like cuckholded fools is appalling enough. But to know that thousands upon thousands of American lives — our soldiers, our diplomatic personnel, our intelligence officers, our citizens still trapped in Lebanon as the bombs continue to fall — all of them, because the President only wants to hear people back up his view of the world…well, it’s almost too much to bear this morning.
I refuse to allow this nation to slide any further. I refuse to allow our nation’s military to be broken any longer by failure and incompetence from the Bush Administration. And I refuse to allow this frat boy with no ability to see past his own sycophantic echo chamber to be the sole voice of my country.
No. More.
And I refuse to let these smarmy spin merchants spend one more day with their hollow "war on terror" rhetoric without answering back: a true "war on terror" would get at the heart of the despair, the anger, the disproportionate representation, the kings that we continue to prop up and the civil rights violations in these nations that we steadfastly continue to ignore, to our detriment.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Bush, and it is about time the entire nation started calling him on it.
I hereby pledge to do whatever it takes to help the Democrats win back the House and Senate in November, to restore at least some check and balance to our government. Whatever it takes to gain some accountability for all of these many Bush Administration failures — because the public has a right to know about each and every last one of them.
And from there, whatever it takes to prevent this sort of man from ever sitting in the Oval Office again in my lifetime — for every election to come in my lifetime. America simply cannot afford any more of this narcissistic ego and poor excuses for public servants. The stakes are too high — both for me and for my child and I, for one, have had more than enough.
We cannot afford any more years of unchecked power grabs by a unilateral executive who is hell bent on keeping a war going, damn the cost, to buck up his poll numbers, and a herd of yes men whose sole purpose in life is to promote whatever spin is necessary to keep the boss happy, and to hell with the consequences to the rest of us. I have had enough. And Karl Rove’s reign of ends justifies the means is about to hit "game over." If there is anything at all that I can do to hasten that along, I will do so, I swear to all that is sacred.
Who is with me?
PS — In the interest of full disclosure, I have had friends and family in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan for the last few years, and currently have a very dear friend who just shipped out to Iraq in the last month. That their lives have been treated with such a cavalier attitude by the Bush Administration, which continues its piss poor decisionmaking and decided lack of diplomacy on all fronts, is both infuriating and terrifying. We all deserve better, but especially the men and women who put their lives on the line in uniform, many of whom signed up after 9/11 in a heartfelt expression of patriotism to go after al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden, who is still, after all these years, at large. Had enough?



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Sorrow.
Ben Weideman is pretty amazing, imho.
I am with you, Christy.
Where is everybody???
think everyone is waiting to see Tiger hoist the Claret Jug
related note: MoDo weighs in
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0722.html
Angie — perhaps this was just too depressing a read and everyone ran away?
You do not go to war with plans for only the best case scenario.
Hey, you go to war with the scenario you have, not the scenario you want.
Seriously, these people are so awful.
They’ll be here presently, Christy.
Reality is depressing, but FDLers aren’t fraidy cats.
Going out to Marin now, last Sunday’s daytrip having been postponed by a fellow Zipcar member who never returned the ’stang convertible we’d reserved.
Looking forward to this Sunday’s LateNite, when I hope our blogmistresses will reveal Soros Claus’ big shiny new nationwide TV network under the FDL Holiday Tree.
Say hello to our Uncle George for me!
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Had Enough?
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Every. single. word. is true. And I feel and believe as you do. And I still cannot believe that the D.C. dems are still fiddling while America’s standing in the world burns with white hot anger caused by their creed and total callousness.
Oh, we have had enough. But the D.C. dems have their fingers in their ears, eyes shut tight, and their mouths mubbling platitudes.
Honestly, I pray everyday that the dems take over, and then worry like hell regarding the type of dems we will have governng us then.
There is a transfusion of new blood coming from around the country to help. But the chemotherapy to fix our country’s cancer will hurt alot of people.
Regardless, I will not let fear rule me any longer. And, like you, I KNOW we must keep moving forward to lend our hands and hearts to the effort. Thanks Christy, and Jane, for voicing our worries and hopes.
Great catch Christy about the logistics. Germans and Japanese lost WWII when they lost air supremacy, because that was key in those theaters to resupply. Shiia don’t need airsupremacy to cut our supply line, just fire an rpg across the street a large, slow moving,
trucktarget.Dems need to use this kind of language, “logistics,” “occupation,” “nation building,” “Powell Doctrine,” “absence of battle plans or military objectives,” $267,000,000/day to combat the “surrender monkey” shit neocons try to hang on us.
thank you, christy.
beautifully put. i think we’ve all had enough and it’s time to stand up and say so.
the democratic neocon posturing centrists nauseate me almost as much as the criminal enterprise that is the bushreich.
I’m with you too Christy. In fact I already have on my black clothes to go be a Woman in Black. When I started doing this (women in black) there were about 10 of us at my location (the Edmonds WA ferry dock) and now last week there were about 30 of us. The honks for peace have increased, and the obscenities hurled at us have stayed as angry but become fewer. There are always the same three to five pro-war demonstrators and they are always real angry.
I appreciate FDL so much because so many of us here are engaged in some kind of action, and so many of us have some kind of influence in the world beyond our community here. I feel less powerless because of my connection to this community and Roots and I thank you all for all you do.
Christy – it is depressing but we did not run away unless a summer Sunday afternoon has others busy outside.
But also, what is there to say after your telling the truth of our situation. Other than we stand with you.
When I feel absolutely defeated by what they have done to our glorious country and wonder if a new day will ever come, I see John Dean up front work hard and telling the unvarnished truth. People like Howard Dean who left his beautiful state to take up the battle to restore our greatness and he is not giving up — so I will not. And the people here who are fighting help me continue to look for good.
Christy – While I realize that emptywheel’s most recent thread on The Next Hurrah has already been mentioned in a prior thread, I think that it’s appropriate because of your comments to post the link to her thread here: http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
I have some questions:
Is everyone else as scared of what is going on in Lebanon as I am?
Ever wonder why the DC crowd does not see the urgency of how badly things are going in that region?
How do we as a community combat the militarization of our society? What I see is the acceptance of torcher with movies out there glorifying it.
I had to stop watching the news because it hurt too much, the heart sickness just hurt too much.
Gonna post this here as well, and hit the road and read Christie’s latest in the campground this evening. But can’t resist posting this near the top of a thread, to celebrate wilderness.
The link to this thread is that while our government may be broken, I believe that the American people are not (yet), and that some proof of this is to see them fishing and inner-tubing with laughter out here in the wild country. These are decent people. How to reach them with our story?
Am reading FDL from the parking lot of Buffalo Run Campground, Island Park, Idaho, 14 miles due west of Yellowstone National Park as the bald eagle flies.
We are headed a few miles up the road to Big Springs, where we’ll drop off our canoe at the put-in, drive down to the take-out at Mack’s Inn, put on our life-jackets and stick out our thumbs for a ride back up to the put-in for a 2-3 hour paddle down the river. We’ll have our eyes out for moose, deer, bald eagles, great blue herons, osprey, and of course ducks.
We’re about 30 miles east of Red Rocks National Wildlife Refuge, the site of one of the success stories of recovering a species that humans had driven to the edge of extinction.
How was it that the American people managed to reverse the harm it had done to the trumpeter swan? to the bald eagle? to the wolves? Can we do the same regarding global warming?
I think that the people are not broken; the system is. And I have some faith that we can repair it, if we work hard, and if we reach out to the red state people in language that they understand.
GW Bush has broken their country too, after all.
There was and is a very good reason for “Vietnam Syndrome.” While Mr. Bush’s neoconservative “military experts” were rejecting the lessons of Vietnam, Saddam was learning them. When the neocons thought they were fooling the American people the truth is, as experience has shown, that Saddam was fooling them.
Mehlman:
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We stand for Israel even if we have to stand alone.
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http://releases.usnewswire.com…..p?id=69417
I’m with you Christy.
Bravo Christy. I’m with you too. I’m lying in bed at night with nightmarish visions of suffering in the Mideast. And horrible visions of the future. Your post brought tears to my eyes.
If there is any justice in this world, chimp and his henchmen will face the judgement of the world at Hague. I pray for that day.
I’m in.
Working not for myself, but for my children.
Folks are still posting the National Park thread — I posted a comment on the Billmon piece at Steve Gilliard’s place earlier today. Steve has been all over the threat to our forces in Iraq, but it is good to see military analysts talk about it.
The only thing Bush responds to is political pain — and the only thing that will constrain him in this debacle is $5 per gallon gasoline. If Iran were to suspend exports, that would get Bush’s attention right now.
spel chek alurt — cavalier, not cavelier . . .
Christy – well said. I stopped over at MFIs and he simply posted “I told you so” and linked to the Lang piece but also to his own post from several months ago about the supply issues which has some good explanations in the comments:
http://gorillasguides.blogspot…..-tail.html
… this problem was not unseen by military people but it seems the US military is unable to even protect its own interests against rummybushco.
And the devastation goes on …
Ask Napoleon Bonaparte who marched on Moscow with 500,000 and returned with 10,000. Arriving in the
fabled city, the army badly in need of resupply
found it empty of people and rations. The retreat
south found Cossacks attacking stragglers and the long winter bereft of food.
1,220 DAYS AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Harden Smith:
Thanx for the wake up call…it is clear that ALL Democratic candidates in every race from Senate ta dogcatcher must make the war and our unleashing of Israel the ONLY issue. There is not an issue, from the economy and oil to the Bill of Rights thru the environment, that doesn’t begin with the war. And that’s why the fascists,corporatists and the Republicrats in the Democratic Party are all runnin’ scared shit less that the Democratic Party is findin’ it’s scource of testosterone.
I want to state here for the record, that I too have been whistlin’ in the dark lately, pretendin’ that the politics of the moment and the campaign for November will somehow take care of the problem. The kids hunkered down in the desert, gettin’ their asses shot off runnin’ guard duty for corporate mercenaries are our responsibility RIGHT NOW!!! There will be no November elections and there will be no US Army left on the ground by November if we don’t rise up and make the war the only issue in politics at every level.
I’m back inta dispair here folks, I jest had ta take a buddy a mine back inta treatment, he’d been sober fer 20 years and all he could say all the way to the VA was “why are they doin’ it all again?” The last few months he had been tryin’ ta make contact with old vet partners and the stuff on the television screens brought the nightmares back.
“Oh God, forgive me my little jokes on thee and I will forfive thee thy great big one one me”.
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE NO PRISONERS, THERE IS NO MORALITY AS LONG AS THIS WAR CONTINUES!!!
katymine #14, the DC crowd is too busy with rapture fantasies and plunder gathering to notice or care.
I’m waiting for some wingnut to claim he’s giving ideas to the enemy.
Christy :: you have truly reached the Big Time about the Middle East — Prof. Juan Juan Cole at Informed Comment linked to this post http://www.juancole.com/
Out mowing the lawn and thinking about loose threads of thought, the John Dean CSPAN BookTV, the attack on kos after Yearlykos and the current mess “war on Terror” and it all fits.
Per John Dean, they believe in an athoritarian rule and mine set. Take that to the attack on the left blogosphere. Since their mind set is in that meme, then it is only obvious that Markos gets attacked since they would never understand what a community is.
Then you take it to the war in Terror and how the groups are organized. There is no clear leader, they are independent cells working towards to a common goal but no clear leadership and chain of command. That is why they cannot fight that war effectively.
That is why the grassroots and the blogosphere would be very effective at fighting terrorism because we understand their organization. Beside the fact that we also undertand that honey gets more than the big stick.
as MFI points out in the comments linked above, the logistics have been outsourced to Halliburton making this an even more dreadful situation
Norske,
Bless you for taking care of your buddy.
We always see your raging energy but you have a very tender side too. You see what is being killed here.
Christy-
We breathe deeply and bear down on the text as we digest a piece like this. Reread it and digest this assemblage of facts and opinion, weigh it against what we thought we knew before, and let it set in. Reread the Billmon piece, check out Larry Johnson, look in on Arthur Silber, and summarize with Laura Rozen. And sigh. Then we regain our footing and, like you, say “Had Enough?”.
Great morning start. Who ever said a call to action wouldn’t be scary? Brava dear. And Thank you.
Norske– The war and our unleashing of our proxy is a central issue for me. If a candidate won’t even address the question, forget my support.
I agree whole heartedly with Rami Khouri here:
it is even more reflective of amateur American foreign policy-making that Washington’s policies in the region are an important contributor to the expansion of such Islamist sentiments and organizations.
Fucking amateurs.
>Who is with me?
Count me in.
an important CT endorsement for Mr. Lamont http://www.courant.com/news/op…..3559.story
This is very good on the danger of “losing our entire army” that Gary Hart warned of in the http://www.PrairieWeather.TYPEPAD.com but sums up the really criminal negligence of the bush/rumsfeld/cheney cabal but the PTBs have thinktanks working for them and I think this destruction of our military was and is deliberate for the New World Order. Please write on the “superhighway” and its connection to the North American Union and the destruction of US sovereignty.
I am so very sad and outraged by all of this and the photos of Israeli children signing bombs and the horrific photos of the Lebanese children who received the “messages”.
My dad, who served in the US Navy 1957-1961, passed away on the fourth of July. My dad hated that Gore had selected Lieberman as his running mate. My family moved to FL from CT when I was a boy. In Dad’s (Florida) obit, I suggested donations to Ned Lamont for Senator, and included was the snail mail address for donations – in Green Farms, CT. I hope it helped. I figured it was better than suggesting donations to the Weak Kneed Triangulators.
I am boiling with anger to find that Bush is rushing precision guided bombs to Israel. We are telling the entire world we are actively aiding the Israelis. People won’t fail to see that this is no different than Iran or Syria’s efforts to resuplly Hezbollah.
This will anger the Arab governments and other governments around the world. Pity our troops suffering the consequences.
It’s bad enough that this country gives $2.5 B a year to Israel at taxpayer expense and supplies them with the latest weaponry and now to actively support them when they are wrong ally or not.
We now know that AIPAC was spying on us and yet we continue to support Israel.
I used to feel sorry for Israel, but no more. In 1948 they were given a country and through aggression they have continued to steal land way beyond what was given to them. I don’t blame the Palestinians for fighting back the monster that is Israel.
The media helps Bush by lying about how this latest disaster started so thatit appears that it is the Palestinians and Hamas with Hezbollah now jumping into the fray that is the entire cause of this miscalculation on the part of Israel.
If Israel thinks they can turn the Lebanese population against Hezbollah by killings hundreds of civilians in areas where hezbollah does not exist they are sadly mistaken. The real outcome will be that all of Lebanon will join with Hezbollah to fight off an outside threat. After it’s all over, there will be a nice civil war in Lebanon to put the frosting on the cake.
Bush has ignored the Israel-Palestinian situation for the past 5 yrs. and this is the result.
It seems the entire world is calling for a cease fire except our ignorant government.
Bush’s stated goal was to diffuse Muslim animosity towards the U.S. His actions are a contradiction.
Hezbollah and Israel are both wrong, but Israel fueled the fire by its literal overkill reaction for the kidnapping of some Israeli soldiers.
I think part of Israel’s true plan is to annex Lebanon up to the Litani River since they have wanted that since 1948 because of the water supply.
Force Israel back to their 1967 borders. Hell, no. Force them back to their 1948 borders.
George Bush made it a war between Islam and the West; it is a false war and he needs to be held to account.
We need to make the peace– there is precious little difference between all people. We all yearn for safety and dignity.
bless you, hackworth.
To The Concerned Citizen of The World:
“Killing innocent civilians is NOT an act of self-defense. Destroying a sovereign nation is NOT a measured response.”
The second I would recommend, with a caveat that it is hard to see without sobbing:
http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/
This shows the real face, or rather the consequences of, real evil. And yes, Israel’s 23 years
of genocidal attacks against Lebanon are unmitigatedly evil. As is the United States’ 15 year
long genocidal war against the Iraqi peoples. That’s just a very small part of what’s going on
today, of course. We’ve covered a lot of history in these pages before.
And here’s one more, about what some noble Hasidic Rabbis are doing, and have been doing
for years. Their organization is called Neturei Karta and their website is:
http://www.nkusa.org
God bless them.
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Please go to http://julywar.epetition.net and sign the Save the Lebanese Civilians Petition and forward this invitation to your friends.
Lebanese civilians have been under the constant attack of the state of Israel for several days.
The State of Israel, in disregard to international law and the Geneva Convention, is launching a maritime and air siege targeting the entire population of the country. Innocent civilians are being collectively punished in Lebanon by the state of Israel in deliberate acts of terrorism as described in Article 33 of the Geneva Convention.
With ya, Christie. And an incisive, troubling post. YEsterday I passed a Honk Against the War rally while traveling to the next county. It was entirely comprised of white haired, marvelous elderly citizens. I was surprised, though, why no broader spectrum of voters in attendance? I’m hoping it doesn’t represent a larger meta-complaisance in the face of disaster. Then again, lots of honks as I was passing by.
I’ve been on board since Howard Dean asked “What I wanna know…”
Ok folks, if one song could change a million votes in November, what would you do?
Pass it on to your lists!
a href=”http://www.tellercreations.com/goperslament.mp3″>Goper’s Lament
Five day forecast for Baghdad:
Sunday 113F (45C) | 80F (27C)
Monday 117F (47C) | 84F (29C)
Tuesday 118F (48C) | 86F (30C)
Wednesday 120F (49C) | 84F (29C)
Thursday 120F (49C) | 86F (30C)
Goper’s Lament
Sorry for the bad link.
Hackworth … what a wonderful way to pay tribute to your father! thank you!
If you don’t mow the lawn, the anti-HOA terrorists will win . . .
I am with you. Among other things, I fight for my father, who used to be a lifelong Republican, but now thinks things are so bad we may not recover.
On a tactical level, I’m working the Webb campaign as a twofer — to take back the Senate and “to prevent this sort of man from ever sitting in the Oval Office again.” Allen is exactly another Bush; a self-centered know-nothing with a phony image of “authenticity,” and destroying his presidential aspirations will be an accomplishment in itself.
Forgot to mention this, but yes, I’m with you, Christy.
A vote for ANY Republican is a vote for Bush . . .
MSNBC showing unedited footage from Tyre … the first time the media has shown what it really looks like … of course they quickly cut away … can’t have any americans seeing blood after all.
I’m reposting, with cleanup, my EPU’d post from below.
This ties in part to the Soros book, but the militarization of the response to 9/11, set the stage for a lot of what has happened. A “war” declared, where there is no readily distinguishable enemy, but rather a situation where whole cultures, religions, geographic regions and ethnic affiliations all where equated in a manner that levelled proof and facts and mission and goals before a pure desire to show force and hit back. The direction of the blow was unimportant and the victims of the blow equally so. Suskind discusses, in a pretty believable manner, that Bush’s theory is an unprovoked blow out of the blue to someone unexpecting is more effective in shaking up your “opponents” than a specific response.
That seems to be the theory, with an incoherent post-blow effort to make the blow a “reasoned” reaction by defining the “opponents” to be those that took the blow – no matter what the underlying facts. As a matter of fact, the facts become just as much the opponent with that approach.
The Bush administration was being warned, feverishly warned, by people who were connecting the dots, and they ignored it in the same manner as the Katrina video shows Bush ignoring that briefing.
I can understand how Ricks or those in the military he has spoken to now may have the best of intentions on saying that they feel we need to stay and do “something” for “the Iraqis who relied on us” and to just be able to leave a stable structure behind. But it’s blindness, IMO, and especially coupled with this administration. The peace is war; torture is humane treatment; reality is what we make up; breaking the law is being the law; Justice is lawbreaking; the military is a non-domestic civilian force; our domestic civilian policing entities are now militaries to be employed against our citizens; DOJ’s function is to protect the Executive lawbreaking function, etc. – that approach will never be able to dig in and do anything productive in the ME.
The only people who make any sense to me are the few who have been coming out and saying lately that we have now completely lost, not only the current but the upcoming generation of fundamentalist Muslim “hearts and minds”
and we have grown the fundamentalist roots at an alarming rate.
Whether it is the civil war in Iraq or the “insurgency” in Iraq, in either situation – there is no way for our soldiers to identify enemy. That has been partly the intent of hte administration, bc a well thought through effort would have resulted in a much more restricted military, and much more emphaszied policing, approach to the overall problem and would never have ended up with us in Iraq. But that’s not the choice that was made.
With what we have and the choices that have been made to get us here, there is no way staying in Iraq makes the situation better IMO. I don’t think that just to spite the idiotic warmongering shills and charlatans in the First Assembly of the House of Bush church, although the temptation for spite is strong. But no temptation makes you look at a situation like what has evolved and want anything more than to make it better. Staying won’t do that. The military was, and continues to be, sold the concepts to make the “war” on terror in general and Iraq and ME targets more specifically, palatable. Weary kids, getting very little break, are told that they are the front line on the war on terror. Who is the “enemy” they are sold and told?
In one of the cases that is being tried, it has come out that the Rules of Engagement included all “military age men.” How do you add to the stability of a country when you are equally a source of danger to all the civilians there? When “all military age men” are targets – how is there any line between civilian and enemy? How does a military force address civilian on civilian violence without killing civilians?
How do you go from the “shock and awe” original gameplan that authorized use of souped up napalm, to destructions of cities like Fallujah and infrastructure, to the Abu Ghraib et al situations that the military warned DOJ would happen, to an Administration that still uses DOJ to push the theme that torture is humane treatment, shipments to Syria for torture are ok and the crime is mentioning them out loud, to being a “hearts and minds” winning stabilizing force? How do you take soldiers that were indoctrinated to hate Iraqis who “caused” 9/11 and whose day to day experiences and military news, procedures, ditching of Geneva Conventions, etc. have taught and allowed them to hate their occupied native population so they laugh at the punch lines of songs that include holding children up to take bullets in the brain and make them the “friendly cop on the corner?” When civilians are equally blown apart by terrorists, sectarian civil war violence, and US military seeking to “combat” each of the above, how does the civilian population learn to trust and look to American forces for help and stability?
The fact that there are finally some voices that are focusing on the real issues and trying to truly decide what needs to be done to deal with the situation positively is almost more discouraging than if they were not. Bc they are now desparately gaming the “what ifs” as if, as if there were things that just got overlooked and are fixable now. As if they do not have to respond to a civilian chain of command that is equal parts corruption, incompetence, and a now systemic blended mix of naricissitic lawless pointless self-justified sadism. The only pony there is a half-used fly laden can of Ken-L Ration.
Any well intentioned “what ifs” aside, we seem to be, and to have been for some time, at a place where bodies and dollars and other threats and domestic needs and poor leadership on so many disparate fronts have all aligned to make any real opportunity to do anything substantively different an illusion. That is even if you pretend to accept that this venture could have been, at the beginning, anything but a doomed effort based on a fallacy of information and a failure of logic in response to the nature of the threat.
Now, you take a doomed effort and add a military that hates the population they are there to “save.” And that cannot really evaluate and discriminate within the native occupied population – not only can they not discriminate on ethnic, linguistic and religious fronts – but even on the instrinsic to war front of Civilian v. Non-civilian.
Assaults and occupations that have no ability to distinguish civilian populations, even if they had desire to distinguish, are pretty fatally hamstrung. When the politicizing fed to the troops to guarantee Republican support is a demonization of all the population and when the day to day reality is constant attacks on the military from undifferentiated sources, then even the desire to distinguish between the civilian population is lost.
That’s not the description of a force that will add stability.
Our troops are being taken for granted out there. I don’t particularly agree with some of the reasons people have when they decide to join the military. However, I would like to think that our government would do everything in its power to protect them and give them the tools they need to do their job and return safely. After all, we’re the US of A! We have more money than god!
We know by example after example though that this is not the case – the troops are just pawns to Rummy and crew. Today I read Burt Bacharach’s post on Huffpo about Operation Helmet. This seems to me to be the perfect way for a progressive pacifist like me to support the troops without supporting the war. Please read his post and follow the comments to the donation site. Operation Helmet is a grassroots organization (they list the organizer’s home phone on the site!) that is sending kits, one at a time, to marines in Iraq to refit their helmets so that they actually protect their heads – something the Pentagon won’t do.
I paid for one kit today. If you can spare it, please consider doing so too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..25418.html
Redshift :: I became seriously upset at George Felix Allen during the Bolton confirmation hearings … he was parroting the most inane neocon foreign policy soundbites and blather …
You speak for me Christy.
Sign me up.
Months ago I bet Mr. Rev $100 that W would not serve out his term.
I will do everything within my power to win the bet.
And it’s NOT about the money.
Christy, if you didn’t know before, I’M IN.
George Felix Allen is a racist and a dolt.
I know him personally.
Go Webb and Redshift!
It was encouraging to read about your care of your buddy, Norske. I hope he is doing well. Love and friendship are wonderfully healing.
We need to care for each other. The PTBs have been trying to destroy community for so long because community and caring are empowering against their “useless” eaters, unconscionable selfishness and greed and attempts to manipulate and endoctrinate people to their destructive philosophies.
“Each for himself is still the rule, We learn it when we go to school.”
Uhhh . . . PTBs?
Back in the ’60’s I was in a combat engineering outfit, and we were taught that it was all about logistics. We had to be self-sufficient; the infantry was ahead of us clearing the way, we were in the middle building roads, bridges, water supplies and communications systems. The quartermaster corps followed behind providing food, clean water, boots, clothes, tents, etc. We would never have imagined some contractor building the infrastructure, because that would compromise our self-sufficiency. I just don’t see how the current ’stratergy’ can work, given the logistical requirements in any military force.
However, suppose that the logistics-as-primary-function is applied to what we are doing now in the blogosphere. What would we design to achieve our objectives of a complete turnover of the government to progressive ideals.
We are behind you Christy; now we need to transform our society so we once again have good government. What are the logistics needed to do that?
Sorry for the long windedness; I didn’t know how to say it any other way at the moment.
1. I’m glad to see this article by Ms. Smith. Those of you who feel a bit “lost” by some of the complexities going on over there ought to just read this article and the links provided by Ms. Smith. A good primer. The logistics issues are nothing “new” to those with real combat experience. Our own military has just been “holding its breath” now for actually a couple of years. Its good to get these matters into discussion.
2. A couple of possible warning signals I’m picking up on. They could flare…or dissolve. But a couple of things to watch:
a) this very morning a cnn reporter named Weideman (sp?) filed a report from Beirut. His crew got into an argument with some refugees. It settled down…until another man in the crowd ran up and began striking the crew. Weideman’s folks had to flee. These could be the beginnings of open anger towards anything “American”. Ramifications, of course, are very dangerous.
b) members of the Iraqi parliament have demanded that the prime minister cancel his planned visit to D.C. to protest America’s involvement in the Lebanon conflict. If the demand gains traction, we’ve got a very serious political firestorm brewing. We’ll have to wait and see.
Ghostman
I’m with you but it was alarming to hear Rep. Jane Harman this morning buy into the administration’s line of bull completely. She agreed that a ceasefire now would mean nothing. (Tell that to the mothers of dead children.)
I understand that she must support Israel, but to make no distinction between the Democratic position and the President’s was alarming. We cannot win that way.
djmm
We’re all with you, Christy, and with each other. OT, but not, the FightingDems have a diary over at dkos spotlighting three Florida Congressional candidates. Rick Penberthy is one of them, and Kevin is there to answer questions. So far it isn’t getting a lot of attention, so y’all might go over and say hello. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/23/125813/543
Great comment Mary.
This is what emptywheel is always talking about the difference between a Third Generation War and Fourth Generation War:
1st Generation: Land War only
2nd Generation: Land and Sea war only
3rd Generation: Land, Sea, and Air war only
“War always changes. Our enemies learn and adapt, and we must do the same or lose. But today, war is changing faster and on a larger scale than at any time in the last 350 years. Not only are we, as Marines, facing rapid change in how war is fought, we are facing radical changes in who fights and what they are fighting for.
All over the world, state militaries, including our own, find themselves fighting non‑state opponents. This kind of war, which we call Fourth Generation war, is a very difficult challenge. Almost always, state militaries have vast superiority over their non‑state opponents in most of what we call “combat power:” technology, weapons, techniques, training, etc. Despite these superiorities, more often than not, state militaries end up losing.
America’s greatest military theorist, Air Force Colonel John Boyd, used to say:
“When I was a young officer, I was taught that if you have air superiority, land superiority and sea superiority, you win. Well, in Vietnam we had air superiority, land superiority and sea superiority, but we lost. So I realized there is something more to it.”
This FMFM is about that “something more.” In order to fight Fourth Generation war and win, Marines need to understand what that “something more” is. That in turn requires an intellectual framework – a construct that helps us make sense of facts and events, both current and historical….”
Right on. Spot on. Just ON! We must all take some sort of tangible action to end the neocon war wetdream. It is beyond urgent! “I’m mad as hell and not going to take it anymore!”
djmm– why must she support Israel in this?
I’m with you
Christy—IWY.
katymine–yes, I’m terribly worried and scared about what’s going on now. I see our soldiers as pawns on a massive chess board, and someone very skilled is opposing….Georgie. And George needs his nap, was never very good at the game anyway, so he flounces off in a huff.
Our soldiers? Still there. Georgie’s napping.
I see the many lives blown apart in Lebanon and cry. STOP this, now. Jaw-jaw better than war-war (Churchill).
Jonathan Chait: Is Bush Still Too Dumb to Be President?
You can’t run a country on horse sense.
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..columnists
Yes, and the country and the world suffers as a result.
Christy, I just plain love you, with your powerful heart, your courage, your keen mind, and your fierce spirit. It’s not easy to look these things with both eyes and heart wide open.
Janet
There is a HUGE difference between supporting Israel, and shipping bombs to the IDF to expedite a war of aggression against Lebanese civilians.
AIPAC has an inordinate influence over American Politicians, because of their ability to cut off the donations for any politician that crosses them.
That said, every President except Bush has tried to stop the hostilities, not use them as an excuse to start another war.
I will do everything in my power to help elect Democrats, but the damage done in the meantime may be irreversible.
Prof #16 – You are probably on the river. But wanted to give a shout out for the Red Rock National Wildlife Refuge. Great place. I jealous. Have fun.
Janet at 71 — right back at you, baby!
Mary:
You do take my breath away…
…”warmongering shills and charlatans in the First Assembly of the House of Bush church, although the temptation for spite is strong.”
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I’m reminded of a Brit. superspy movie out about the same time as Dr. No. Every day his atrocity/folly continues it makes more sense. I think it was called “Beau Brummel.” Semi-famous next to Fleming work.
The key was on a foot long snip of audio tape from a ‘Middle East source. Al that could be heard was:
“…ate the ruler and the ack…” Turns out our hero manages to fill it out and save the world. Or the Empire. The full quote is:
“Assassinate the Ruler, and the Akhbar oil concession is yours.”
——
This ain’t Yellow Brick Road: I’ve Seen That Movie Too.’
“I can tell by your eyes you must be lying, when you think I don’t have a clue…”
Christy,
Your last several paragraphs say it all for me and my family. I will do all I can to take your clear and very succinct words to others.
Pete (So WV)
Accurate in all respects, until you reach the part where you begin to display faith in the Democratic Party.
Great peice Cristy.
These guys are nuts. Isreali can slaughter as many Lebanese in the name of the “war on terror” and they do it with out ok-dokey.
The Arab street thinks Isreal is doing this on our orders — we’re certainly not telling them to stop. What’s next? The voice of the white house says Isreal will widen the war by bombing, possibly with nukes, Syria. Then maybe Iran. This will be done shortly before the mid-term elections.
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2437.htm
I don’t think the Rethuglicans have to provoke another shooting war to keep control of both houses: they Diebold and ESS machines will do that for them. Kudos to Kennedy for the Rolling Stone piece pointing out how they stole Ohio.
My puzzlement is why the Dems are totally silent on this issue? Do they ever want to win the white house again? Do they think that Rethuglican-owned companies like ESS, Sequoa and Diebold are going to suddenly start stealing elections for them instead? It makes no sense.
http://www.bradblog.com/
JohnC – IMO, it’s not a failure of superiority of military force. It’s not even a victory of assymetrical response. It’s a matter of not really having a militarily attainable goal. Ever.
tryggth @ 10:55 am (#44) – Those Baghdad low temps are the highs here and we’re calling it a heat wave. We in the NW don’t have much air conditioning either, but we normally don’t need it. It’s hell when you do, though.
This is yet another reason things are so crazy in Iraq. Not that they need any more reason than anarchy followed by lawlessness fueled by centuries of grievances.
Thank you Mary, you are correct, I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.
fred –
Just like the Army of the Potamac and General McClellan, the Democratic Party is the only opposition game in town . . .
Ned Lamont serves notice on the beltway cowards that if they don’t fight for us, they may be next . . .
Oops, I have to proof read more.
Isreal can bomb Lebanese “with OUR okey-dokey” is what I meant to say.
Also, what good is supporting Dems like Hilary or Feinstein or Durbin when they are bought and paid for by AIPAC?
Christy,
The people I’ve known who’ve served in Iraq are at one remove from me: the best friend of one of my nephews (who is out now but has PTSD, like so many others); a young man my next-door-neighbor knows, who was in the reserves and was supposed to be done, but has been recalled. The latest is the oldest son of a woman I know, who told me the other day that he is enlisting. All she can do is support him and pray for his safe return. And the best thing we can do for her and her son, and all the others, is to remove from office, and from power, the people responsible for this travesty.
Count me in.
I gotta proofread better.
I mean to say Isreal can bomb all the Lebanese they want with “OUR okey-dokey.”
Also, just a question: what’s the point of supporting Dems like Hillary, Feinstein or Durbin and others when they are so obviously bought and paid for by AIPAC?
It colors everything they do and is why they aren’t more aggressively against the Iraq war.
I realize the Dems are the only other party we got but we need to tell them to represent US and not Isreal.
what’s the point of supporting dems like Hilary, Wienstein or Durbin when they are bought and paid for by AIPAC?
“Just like the Army of the Potamac and General McClellan, the Democratic Party is the only opposition game in town.”
Thank you -ck-, loved that one.
Yesterday there was an account of another family killed in Baghdad by US troops. Grandmother, mother, child, or something like that. The US troops had been fired on from a rooftop they said, the shooter was not found, but the innocents ended up dead. Basically, we now trust no one, no civilian, just kill them. This is policy, or so the article said. (I don’t know where I read it, but I think from the British press, Reuters maybe). The evolution of policy, I guess.
All I could think was that we have reached the “gook” stage of the Vietnamization of Iraq. And that is the end.
There is no hope that anything good will now or ever come of this. When I heard Condi with the “moving forward” (birth pangs) remark, I was just sick. They just don’t get it.
I believe we are in the last throes of the Bush admin. I know I should not say it. I hope we are not in the last throes of civilization.
I am working, Christy. I am with you.
John C – I meant that as agreeing with the quote – there must be something more. I think the something more is a mission that is, ulitmiately, achievable militarily. That was a big piece that was missing from both Vietnam and Iraq IMO.
Blank K -I’ll have to see if I can find that. Beau Brummel. I just watched Syriana last night, pretty late, when I got power back.
I was at a seminar awhile back where a geologist/exec with an oil company was discussing reserves and the ME and mentioned “so you can see, its not a bad place to have an army” or something along those lines. But even if the concept was protecting the resource, destablization of the entire areas was a disastrous approach. And it did nothing for the surface justification of fighting al-Qaeda.
I am so with you on this. My local pub has being subjected to a torrent of my obsessive criticism of these idiot “leaders” of ours, and you know what? They’re not getting sick of it at all. There is hope.
This just in from the department of hte bleedin’ obvious . . .
Ricks: “There is also strong evidence . . .that the U.S. approach to pacifying Iraq in the months after the collapse of Hussein helped spur the insurgency and made it bigger and stronger than it might have been.”
So it took Ricks 3 years to figure that out? I guess doing those hundreds of interviews took a lot of time.
Well, Tom, thanks for letting us know about it — now that it’s absolutely too late to do a damned thing about it.
Cujo359 – NW native myself. But sweltering in the Bay area right now.
There was a reason Cheney/Rummy were eager to kick off their clambake in mid-March 2003. Wish I had a way to watch realtime the flow of small arms traffic…
A year ago last spring, my oldest son said he heard Scott Ritter speak in Olympia WA and Ritter said that he had seen war plans to invade Iraq by June 2005 by the US but if not, then Israel will do the job. I gave the weblink to our local Air America guys and they interviewd Ritter several times.
I am right behind you Christy, these plans have been in the works, they have a goal and shoving the world right down the rat hole where we have no say in stopping it.
They took it out of our hands. Since the US is NOT attacking Iran or doing an invasion, then the Ameircan people cannot rear up demanding NO MORE WAR. It is the same war just by proxy.
I’ve been thinking about demographics and democracy.
Question 1: How does the population of Jews in the US compare with Muslims? Why are Arabs and/or Muslims not seen as voters with potential impacts on election results?
Question 2: If Israel were to achieve the “greater Israel” that some are aiming for, by for instance annexing Gaza, the West Bank, chunks of Lebanon and whatever else they have their eye on, how would the population of Jews in this “greater Israel” compare with the population of Muslims. Would Jews not be outnumbered in their own land? How could they continue to be a democracy?
You see where I am going with this…
Janet
Well it should be relatively to obvious to most people by now that if we want to push a progressive agenda, we are gonna have to push against AIPAC, as well against the entrenched Beltway bubbleheads. AIPAC funds them.
We need our representatives to be willing and able to stand against the bullying of Israel lobby. (I am pro-Israel, but not reflexively so).
Billmon at 88 — just ignore the sound of my forehead banging on the kitchen table…good lord, is there no end to the idiocy?
Thanks, Christy. Great post. This war is so broken and so misguided it makes you shudder to think how much more sacrifice is going to be required to reclaim this mess no matter what happens in November.
But yeah, November, here we come.
Christy – count me in. Whatever it takes.
John Casper @ 11:13 am (#64) – I think those military strategists are going to have to figure out a way to reclassify military power. Air, land, sea, etc., while important distinctions, are not anywhere near all that’s important in a war. The ability to find, identify, and neutralize an enemy takes intelligence and logistics, in addition to weapons and soldiers that can win.
It’s the intelligence part that’s especially difficult, particularly in a guerilla war. That’s what we’re fighting in Iraq right now. It’s a full-on guerilla war, and it has been for months. If Iran is behind it, which seems likely, that’s bad news for many reasons, not the least of which is that the Shiite guerillas, like the North Vietnamese, have a source of supply that we can’t touch. This thing could go on for years this way with.
I’m with ya, CHS.
I hereby pledge to do whatever it takes to help the Democrats win back the House and Senate in November, to restore at least some check and balance to our government. Whatever it takes to gain some accountability for all of these many Bush Administration failures — because the public has a right to know about each and every last one of them.
Of course, I thought that is where we were at, already
Thanks for your powerful post Christy,
I am privileged to be counted amoung you.
I have been mostly unplugged these past weeks, feeling overwhelmed by the latest atrocities. Feeling fortunate that I am able to tuck my babies in safe and sound. But guilt and saddness and ferocious anger over the families and children that are suffering unthinkably on account of the greed of a few mad men. HTF did we get here? And HTF do we get out?
Thank you, Christy, for pulling all of this together, as you always do, with logic, knowledge, and passion. It is incredibly painful painful to see our country turn away from its best glimpses of what it could be, and to see it give in to its darkest temptations under the Cheney administration. But you and all the FDL’ers give us knowledge, and you help create community, and that gives us hope. We can and will take our country back and your thoughts and your heart help that happen. Thankyou
For those needing a pick-me-up, until LHP can figure out how to show us Baby Mittens, here you go — my guys.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76033229@N00/
Frat Boy In Chief’s words echo mine eloquently. The mindlessness represented by all on the right, and when I say right I mean all of the right, is a frightening thing to behold, the stakes for defeat of the rest of us is the loss of our country as a democracy and they must be stopped. The only way other than violence is to somehow cut thru the lies believed by a great number of Americans, to cut thru the rhetoric of the theocrats who would kill our souls and our persons if they gained complete power-their god is no god at all. Okay, much more to say but you are the choir, I would rather find a way to speak the truth to those who don’t want to listen.
I don’t think I have ever been quite so aware of propaganda in the media. There was a vile piece in the LA times about how some civilians are less civiliany than others, so it is somewhat less tragic when they are killed. All Israelis are civilians, whereas a Lebanese child may not be.
Someone posted this link in a previous thread, but I would like to highlight it again:
http://video.google.com/videop…..4384920696
It’s a link to a longish video called “Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land”. It’s really quite good.
Janet
Is the Italian conference so that Rice can determin whether you would, or would not, have wanted to have a cup of coffee in Beirut before the shelling started?
It always helps to understand the military, diplomatic, terrorist, civilian casuality and regional stablity issues if you can sort out the Starbucks issue up front.
Mary:
“Looking…”
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Google not my friend on this so far….
Name something like that. Only IMDB I looked at was not it. No Ustinov. I woulda remembered that. But, I only saw one airing, lone time ago.
jlr, I don’t have answers. Clearly AIPAC has its hooks deep into the neocons and vice versa. Their fortunes sink or swim together.
I’m not sure how representative AIPAC is of Israel or Israeli support in the U.S. Within all the ethnic religious groups you mentioned, there is significant diversity. For example imo the Shiia in Iraq do not want the Shiia in Iran taking over Iraq, unless it is to prevent a Sunni revival. Another example
Jews for Peace in Palestine and Israel
Jewish Voice For Peace
“Act to end the devastation of Gaza and Lebanon”
The Kurds will also play very significant role in the ME.
With those caveats about pluralism in all the communities, however, I think the questions you asked are important.
Billmon has a wittily cynical piece about some civilians being less worthy than others http://billmon.org/archives/002554.html
*snap!*
Beau DRUMMOND. mebbe. “Looking…”
Christy –
I’m in.
Since the 2000 election, there’s not one day that I believed things in the United States and the world at large were getting better. Not one.
It’s meant money sent, starting hard conversations with the DP’s family (rock-ribbed Republicans, Ohio flavor), and accepting the scorn of those people who are not bothered with the inconvenient truths of this President and his gang of syncophants.
This in the NYT today helps to explain why we are mired in a sh*tstorm that Cheney, Bush, Rice, and Rumsfeld have no way to get us — and that’s the big collective world “us” — out of. We have to keep pushing, on every front, to get people engaged, and to demand change.
Yesterday on Back to iraq Christopher had a post on the BOMB EM AND THEY’LL LOVE US policy of the Bush administration. It actually brought tears to my eyes. There are no winners in that theory, only losers. I live in a heavily Republican district in GA and while talking to a repub friend all I mentioned was how very important it was for him to at least vote for somebody who values intelligence and intelligent decisions not just a party boy.
btw, Crooks and Liars has the video clip up of Bolten’s blastocyst squirming on MtP this morning. Well worth a watch, if you haven’t seen it yet. And tell me that it doesn’t sound like Russert read Jane before doing the Q&A on this today…
Thanks Cujo at 11:53 as always.
“It always helps to understand the military, diplomatic, terrorist, civilian casuality and regional stablity issues if you can sort out the Starbucks issue up front.”
lmao.
correction:
Bulldog Drummond.
But imdb is no friend yet.
Thanks Susan for expressing my same fear. I overcame it after Yearlykos, feeling that wonderful “family” reunion from all over the blogs, I decided I needed to restart my life instead of waiting for that “other” shoe to drop. Went out and bought the toys that I wanted, the foo-foo stuff for the house, those non-necessity stuff. Now, I am sitting here watching my world go to hell with my Ipod full of songs and a case of good wine.
So, we are for getting this job done of booting the bums out.
1. Is everyone registered to vote?
2. Have you made sure that your neighbors are registered?
3. Are you a member of the democratic party?
4. Are you a Precinct Committe Person (I am an appointed and will be on the ballot in Sept to become an elected PC so I can vote in County & State Party meetings)
4. Have you attended a DFA, PDA, Drinking Liberally group meeting?
5. Do you know where you district Dem group meets?
6. Have you volunteered to canvas for your local races?
7. Plan to get 5 people registered to vote, focus on single women.
8. Plan to make sure that those 5 people vote, then pass it forward where those 5 friends take 5 people to vote.
1,220 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Dear FDLers:
I am a Viet Nam Vet with three children (2 in college), 2+ grandbabies and a ton a baggage that I can’t get past the security gates at the airport. I know that, as a privileged American, I bare responsibility as a world citizen for the suffering and exploitation done in my name by my country and corporations. I also know that my children and grandchildren will be sufferin’ with the rest of the world’s children and grandchildren because of what is goin’ on right now all over the planet.
So…what do I do now, how can I face my kids , what can I do to atone for the heinous crimes of immorality done in the name of our sacred fore-bearers? The answer, I’m afraid, is nothing. I can do nothing to atone, our reckoning is here, all I can do is promise ta fight and be in front of the kids when they are forced to the streets. In the meantime I must work everyday against the crimes and the criminals who have stolen our history…I feel a bit like the 50’s poet Gregory Courso (sic) who decided that in order to write poetry he had to live and in order to live enough to have something to say he wouldn’t have any time to write.
That’s where I’m at…I guess my life now has only one priority…the end of this madness, until it is done, nothing makes any sense.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BE AFRAID OF THE BASTARDS, WHAT CAN THEY DO, SEND YA TO IRAQ??
Oh man. Spew warning ahead — Watertiger has Face the Snark up. Do not go to the next post with liquid in your mouth. You have been warned…
bwahahahahahaha
Alan Dershowitz wrote that horrible op-ed in yesterday’s L.A. Times. Digby did a bit on it last night:
Civilian Continuum.
Wonderful, if depressing post, Christy. I’m with you.
I have been lurking all weekend (too hot to think and/or try to keep up with the clever dialog)
BUT this is important. I AM SO WITH YOU CHRISTY.
Yeah, we all have been on the same page for quite a while, but saying it (writing it) out loud is like confession. It is good for the soul. It is good to confirm a direction, and know that it is right, not because it will be the “winning” team, but because it is the direction that reasonable, moral, ethical, and caring people should be going in.
Damn these people who have been so power mad — but without the moral compass or the intelligence to know that if significant portions are marginalized, the health of the whole is in peril. These fuckers are too stupid to have learned that it has been our combinations of talents and skills that have made us a great nation. Valuing one skill – the ability with PR to polarize a nation – has got us to the brink of bankruptcy, with NO International “political/diplomatic capital” left to hold sway with anyone. Except the island of Tonga — are they still part of the Coalition of the Willing, these days????
In five short years, this double digit IQ in the White House has nearly destroyed our respected place in the world.
So, Yeah, I’m with you Christy. I don’t post here a lot, but I read late at night (long work days). I too am in it for the long haul. I’m old enough to have seen and lived what we know to be better decisions, and have pride in our system. So….it’s more than time to act to take it back.
Sorry for the rant, but sometimes once a person gets started……well….
Crap. I’ve just scared myself to death.
I’ve been out front grooming dogs this morning, and like vaccuuming and mowing the lawn, grooming lets my mind do some good thinking without much direction from me.
All of a sudden, this war – - and the way Bush and Co. are handling it – - makes sense to me.
Why is Condi Rice diddling around for two weeks before she shows up over there?
Why does Fratso talk like a small-town hotshot to Tony Blair as if stopping this war is a simple proposition?
Why are Israel and the US letting these horrendous photos and personal accounts get a foothold in everyones’ minds, causing outrage and nightmares?
Why are we announcing that we’re rush-shipping an order of smart bombs to Israel when that will certainly put a target on our backs for every Muslim terrorist group to see so they can race to be the ones who bring off a devastating terrorist attack on the US sooner than the other?
Oh, Sh*t.
The only thing that will turn this anti-Bush and now, anti-Republican tide is another 9-11.
They aren’t stupid enough to do it themselves, but like the suicidal man who lunges at a cop so the police will shoot him, if we act like big enough as*holes to piss off every. single. Muslim. in the world, there’s a pretty good chance they’ll hit us before the November elections.
The disastrous war in Iraq hasn’t been enough, so let’s show them in big pictures how bad we are, and maybe they’ll hit us in time to save BushCo and the Republicans.
I’m going to start praying again.
Kurt says: “AIPAC funds them.”
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:49 am
Some weeks ago, I looked online at AIPAC’s tax returns (form 990). Its annual revenues amount to approximately forty million dollars. I think we should be looking not only at AIPAC, but also at other nonprofits affiliated, however loosely, with AIPAC.
“I think we should be looking not only at AIPAC, but also at other nonprofits affiliated, however loosely, with AIPAC.”
well said sp, cpa
John Casper @ 12:02 pm (#114) – Back at ya.
It’s amazing to me that we’re in this mess, given that much of it was so easy to foresee. I’m not an expert on any of these subjects, nor are Mary or several other commenters here. Yet it’s quite clear that this was an obviously bad idea from the git-go, and Bushco didn’t even take the objections into account before they started this thing.
Their own aversion to nation-building should have been their first clue. To coin a phrase, it’s hard work. Lots of time, money, and effort would have gone into it even if we’d been able to do it right. We would have had to forego things at home in order to make this happen in Iraq. Unfortunately, they screwed this up for the same reason they’ve screwed up just about every other responsibility of government – they’re not interested in governing. They’re only interested in being “in charge”.
“Fourty million here, fourty milllion there; pretty soon you’re talkin’ about some real money.”
Sen. Everett Dirksen.
“I’m going to start praying again.”
Some good news this morning as Timmeh Russert took Bush CoS Josh Bolten to the effin woodshed on Lebanon, Iraq, and stem cell research.
Quote from Juan Cole, via dKos:
John Casper 127
The fact that Russert and other establishment types are starting to criticize them is what has me worried.
That just shows what deep trouble they are in, and they need something drastic to save their butts.
Little dog, I’m very much afraid that you’ve nailed it – like they’ve put a big kick-me sign and a target on their collective butts. I think this is the beginning of the October Surprise I’ve been expecting.
Leslie in CA @ 12:20 pm (#128) – Those two views aren’t mutually exclusive. However it began, you can be assured that the Israelis would have been working on plans for just this sort of contingency. That they were going to have a problem with Hezbollah eventually was almost a forgone conclusion.
The U.S. has war plans for just about every serious possibility of conflict. My guess is that any country with a serious military does as well. Usually, when it looks like the conflict is imminent, they’ll dust off those plans, do a global replace of “M-60″ with “Merkeva” or whatever, and make any other necessary adjustments.
Did Syria provoke this? I don’t know. My guess is that if any country was going to provoke this, it would have been Iran, but that’s something historians are going to have to figure out. Meanwhile, there’s no mystery about Israel having war plans that more-or-less matched this contingency. They’re far too competent not to have.
Cujo 125
They are also interested in the big bucks we throw around in wars, and most of it goes from the little guy – - through taxes, debt and blood – - to the already obscenely rich – - through graft, theft and cost-plus contracts.
I doubt they need any other reasons, because if they have all the money, and we have none, elections will be bought and they will have secured power to themselves forever.
jcricket at 121
Welcome! I’m pretty much of a newcomer at FDL myself. & some of the ‘old-timers’ can back me up on this – can’t remember if I started with a rant or not, but I surely did escalate into one early on.
You have lots of company. Feel free to rant. It’ll make you feel better, I gu-ar-an-tee ;)
No. More! Personally, I’d !HAD ENOUGH! 5 1/2 years ago, even before DeLay’s goonsquad stormed the Miami-Dade Board of Elections, and then the supremes … did … what they did.
(Don’t s’pose THEY can be impeached, can they? I’d sell tickets …!)
[busy for a few days . . so gotta sneak in & out w/o checking thru comments. maybe lotus would be good enuf to ’splain for me ;->]
I’m with you, Christy, as long as it’s o.k. to shed a tear once in awhile between &/or during rants. Got a lot of the latter pent up, and ANGER.
I. Want. Our. Country. Back!
. . . and your little dog, too @ 12:32 pm (#133) – I suppose greed is one of their motivations for being in charge. Bush, though, just strikes me as someone who feels entitled to run things, no matter how little talent he has for doing it.
Reading Wolcott and Digby yesterday, I came to the horrified conclusion that Bush/Rove want to provoke a Hezbollah terrorist attack on the USA. Since Bush has lost his 9/11 mojo and all of their other BS initiatives are in the crapper, what could be better than a new terrorist attack to bring the sheeple home to Daddy Bush — or at least, distract the proles until the November elections.
Since then, I’ve come to the conclusion that this scenario is unlikely — Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld may be stark raving lunatics, but Hezbollah is behaving like a rational actor. Who’d a thunk it? The terrorists acting like statesmen, and US guv’mint acting like terrorists . . .
Another topic I’ve thought about, reading Billmon’s posts about the behind the scenes actors in the Lebanon tragedy.
As always, the best question is cui bono — who benefits?
BushCo benefits, by using the cover of Hezbollah terrorism to get their war on with Iran.
But the more important question — who benefits in Iran? The answer — the hardline radicals. Iranian society is moving away from Islamic fundamentalism, and the quickest way to reverse that trend is to be attacked by the Great Satan.
While BushCo may think that a few bombs (or nukes) will transform Iran into a flowers and chocolate Western Democracy, they are the only ones smokin’ that brand of Afghani brown smack.
Everyone else understands that the hardliners will strengthen their grip on power in Iran, and an attack will hasten the day Iran gets the bomb, as opposed to setting back the Iranian nuclear program. Hell, if Bush attacks, the Revolutionary Islamic Republic of Pakistan might give Iran the bomb — over Musharaff’s dead body, of course.
God help us survive the Bush Administration . . .
jlr 130
Then we need to start planting this idea in newspapers, blogs and conversations.
Not in conspiratorial whispers, but in sober, sad statements.
Like “I can’t believe they’d do this on purpose, but don’t they realize their provocations are going to get us hit hard and maybe soon by terrorists? Of course, if they hit us before the elections, everybody will be so scared they’ll vote for the ‘Security Party’ again.”
And we need to pre-blame the Bush administration for any attack.
We can’t let them get away with this.
Hey folks. All you guys who were pleased with Timmeh this morning, FGS, Tell Him! Tell his boss.
Christy – wanted to ask, is Pat Lang the sorta sparse-haired, sorta heavy-set, sorta older gent I have grown to revere, from seeing him called to CNN(?) occasionally (not nearly often enough!) for commentary & discussions re: military matters? He’s absolutely riveting, straight-up, honest, believable.
If I’m thinking of the right guy, Boy-oh-boy, would I like to wind him up and send him forth into the bigwhitehouse to straighten out that not-funny-anymore-farm in there!
Whether or not Bush knew – in his own unique way of ‘knowing’ – about Israel’s plans to bomb Lebanon, I have read that Israel’s actions take any talk of ‘talking to Syria or Lebanon out of the question. That might be what Israel is doing — co-opting American’s foreign policy by making it a fait accompli about a forceful, warlike, foreign policy.
Did someone (Cheney?) know and give the go ahead? Someone knew and wanted public foreign policy to be neo-con like.
Christy;
I posted a comment that I think got misconstrued. I was being a smart ass. You deleted it thankfully-my bad.
Adie 137
You’ve described Pat Lang.
I recall first seeing him on PBS’s Newshour.
I’m not always pleased with Lehrer, and almost never with Ifil, but at least they give their guests a chance to finish a thought.
“Reading Wolcott and Digby yesterday, I came to the horrified conclusion that Bush/Rove want to provoke a Hezbollah terrorist attack on the USA.“
I completely agree -ck-.
It’s the textbook definition of treason.
Here’s the pic of Bolton, our rep at the U.N. giving a highly inflammatory speech at AIPAC that the WH saw to it was absolutely everywhere, like waving a red flag at a bull.
Has Bolton been giving speeches from St. Peter’s in Vatican City? Has Bolton been giving speeches from Mecca?
A lot of us criticize Hillary, and rightly so I think, but this is what she and the other Dems are against. Their political calculus is always predicated on another 9/11.
Fues Fission –
Smart ass snarkery online is a delicate art — many flame wars have begun with a failed attempt a humor, only to end with the tubes melting down.
Not sure what you said, but start with gentle humor and go from there . . .
via Taylor’s site, here’s an interesting article in the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07…..mp;emc=rss
In essence, our cunning plan appears to be to drive a wedge between Syria and Iran. They aren’t all that together anyway, I suspect, so maybe it would have a chance of working if we were to, say, talk with Syria. But apparently, they already know what they’re supposed to do, so why bother? Even when they come up with a workable plan, Bushco can be counted on to screw it up.
And for the record, I’m not all that sure this is a workable plan…
Oh, and give Taylor some click-through love. She’s been on this thing like perspiration on an Iraqi with no air conditioning.
Seriously deep in EPU territory, but, what the heck…
After reading your comments about the Bolten interview on MTP, I decided it was worth seeing for myself. And glad I did. Refreshing to see a good grilling, especially one where the grill-ee’s own inadequacies are exposed, as well as the inadequacies, failures and just plain nonsense of the administration.
THe stem-cell section was brilliant – at what point do you think Bolten realized that what he was saying made no sense? That lots of people at home were asking themselves why such earnest and careful thought hasn’t been given to the men and women fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan? That what was really being said was – “we only think it’s murder if we have to SPEND money on it – if it MAKES money, it’s just good ol’ capitalism at work.”
And how stupid did Bolten look when he opined that “Karl knows stuff,” and Tim came back with “but he’s not a scientist either, is he.”
A big, fat ZERO for the White House.
This Middle east thing is really starting to worry me, and I do not trust for one minute that the Bush administration will be able to tell the difference between doing the right thing, and doing the politically right thing – you know, the one they think will earn them votes.
Yeah, Christy, I’ve had enough, and I have the luxury of saying that from my cool, air-conditioned home, freshly stocked with groceries, complete with running water. Yes, I worry about my kids – but I don’t worry that they will be blown up crossing the street. I don’t drive to work each day wondering if the road up ahead will suddenly explode. I cannot even imagine the misery that has engulfed so many people (including the Katrina victims) around the world.
Just hope things can hang together long enough for there to be a recognizable America to set onto a better path.
From Pat Lang’s web site. Includes a lousy pic of him, imo, top right.
Colonel W. Patrick Lang is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets). He served in the Department of Defense both as a serving officer and then as a member of the Defense Senior Executive Service for many years. He is a highly decorated veteran of several of America’s overseas conflicts including the war in Vietnam. He was trained and educated as a specialist in the Middle East by the U.S. Army and served in that region for many years. He was the first Professor of the Arabic Language at the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York. In the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) he was the “Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, South Asia and Terrorism,” and later the first Director of the Defense Humint Service.” For his service in DIA, he was awarded the “Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive.” This is the equivalent of a British knighthood. He is an analyst consultant for many television and radio broadcasts.”
-ck- my comment got moderated, but I agree about the WH trying to provoke a terrorist strike.
I’m with you Christy. The criminals in charge seek their own Armageddon and force it down our throats with their religious bullshit. In my book it’s not a religion if it advocates death to those who do not share in its beliefs. It’s easy to fight wars. It’s difficult to spread understanding and peace. Obviously this administration is taking the easy way out as they don’t have the smarts to do anything else, let alone admit how badly they’ve screwed things up. There is NO wisdom underlying their actions, only greed and stupidity.
…AYLD,T
Thanks. I think he’s a good fella.
Guess I have a little better impression of Lehrer than most, but the other networks are so absolutely AWFUL these days, they are unwatchable.
Even just letting a guest finish a sentence seems golden in contrast.
Yesterday stuff was blowing up all over Lebanon, with worse expected any sec., & here’s CNN literally blasting us out of our seats with drumbeats on one channel, and focussing all their cameras & breathless play-by-play on a stalled truck, w/ presumed robber in same, stuck in a puddle, on the other.
Good gawd. Don’t they ever watch their own program to see how stoopid this all is!?!
My poor overloaded brain immediately skipped a big beat back to the start of Iraq war, & NBC’s hyperventilated coverage of reporter David Bloom(?) and his self-designed (WOO-HOO!) “Bloom-mobile.” Poor David. The dang network kept milking that story for all it was worth, long after he died in that thing.
One reason why I watch Lehrer is because they use BBC for their foreign coverage. FWIW.
Thanks John at 144.
He’s special. Glad to hear he has a website. Might go there & check it out some time soon.
Nobody in the admin. is making any sense anymore.
Count me in. I have marched, I have donated and I have spoken out. I really don’t know what else to do, except maybe cry. I was in Beirut during the civil war there in 1975, and this latest Israeli atrocity hits me very close to home. I am sickened. So it’s nice to see kindred spirits here who are willing to do whatever it takes, but I’m not sure what it’ll take, or where to do it.
Yes, support Lamont, call talk radio etc. etc. etc. But when marches are underreported, and voices such as Bob Byrd’s and Charlie Rangel’s and the like are drowned out or ignored outright, what can I realistically do? It is beyond depressing, what has happened to my country.
I just got chills throughout my entire body reading what you wrote, Christy. Unbelievably great.
Right on, Christy.
And I’m with Prof at 16: it isn’t just humanity that the Republicans are destroying, it’s the planet too.
Christy:
By all that’s holy in and to humanity, I am with you.
Now to go back and read the comments . . .
I’m with you.
I do wish you’d lay off the “frat boy” thing though. Most fraternity guys are great human beings. Bush’s problem isn’t that he’s a “frat boy”, it’s that he’s an ignorant, sadistic scumbag.
Toast –
There you go again, insulting ignorant sadistic scumbags — by comparing them with Bush.
[/ironic sarcasm]
Okay, off the Soros bookchat . . .
I am all in Christy, as I have been for many years now. Who in their right mind couldn’t have forseen the cosequences of invading, and then occupying iraq? We talked about this over and over again before these shits did what they did. I won’t give up or in until we get these despicable killers out of office, and hopefully in jail.
Ungracious choices invite instructive consequences that remind one that a more gracious choice was missed in the taking. One does not disenfranchise a people in their own land without inviting consequence to one’s own land. This is the lesson of all revolutions, empires, and Viet Nam. It is why 9.11 was implemented. Revenge and retalliation may serve to obscure responsibility and cast blame, but they do not serve any nation without consequence. The consequences for this nation because of our president’s policies and choices are going to shake a great many things up. Christy, many are with you. We shall be there to help pick up the pieces when the many changes take place. Our voice will not only be heard, it will be heeded as well.
aye.
In addition to all the reasons we are all aware of for not invading Iraq — no WMD, no connection between OBL and Hussein, etc., etc. — alot of us vets were dead set against it for the very reason Col Pat Lang wrote about. Maintaining a force of 130,000 in a place like Iraq is all about maintaining the Main Supply Routes. If we can’t do that, our leaving Iraq will make the retreat from the Chosin Reservoir look like a walk in the park.
About the only thing that favors our forces in Iraq is the terrain — it’s relatively flat and outside the cities not cluttered. Everything else — the heat and then the cold, the fine powdery sand — is hard on the gear. That means they need lots of water for the soldiers and lots of fuel and spare parts for the equipment.
That stuff gets to where it’s needed on the MSRs. If it can’t be moved over the road on the MSRs without being attacked, then it won’t get there. As Col. Lang points out, flying it in won’t work — the bulk of water and fuel oil alone requires more lift capacity than exists in all of our military.
Given that our forces are too small to prevent a determined force of Shias and Sunnis from severely compromising the MSRs, you could say our presence there is tacitly agreed to. The question is: For how much longer?
I had to skip this until now. We must remember that we all have a personal stake in this occupation. Someone you know knows someone in Iraq. I have someone in Iraq. And I want this bullshit to end. NOW
While I too want the Rebulicans out of power, what makes you think any US policies in the Middle East will truely change? Democrats are in bed with AIPAC as much as the Repubs. Until we put US interests FIRST, we are doomed to repeat tragic policies that continue to harm us.
” .. because Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney and the whole of the Bush Administration and the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress signed off on a war on the cheap”
“on the cheap.” — yo red, are you saying that a war we all know by now was launched on lies should have been *more* expensive in order to be called legitimate, practical, .. “winnable”?
what would “spare no expense” have achieved differently? 400 less american dead? 800 less american dead? how many extra billions would have avoided abu graib? please discuss.
bianco at 162 — For starters, we shouldn’t have been there in the first place. In addition, the military has no business running the reconstruction phase of this half-baked nightmare of an occupation — reconstruction has always been a State Dept. purview, but Rummy got his hands in the pie to hand out goodies to Halliburton, and so it goes. The planning for this entire mess was flawed from the start, despite the precision of our entry into Iraq, the looting, the failure to secure government buildings properly, and the continued disregard for basic subsistance infrastructure is all part of the idiocy that was Rumsfeld’s need to cut corners just to see if he could.
If you are going to go into a country to take out a government, you don’t do so with a third of the forces that your military commanders recommend to you for the post-invasion aftermath. And you don’t then fail to secure all the locations where IED materials and rocket launchers and ammo and many other weapons were stored (which are now being used against us, coalition forces, and Iraqi forces). You go in with overwhelming force and you keep the level there until the entire country is subdued. Period. Basic military strategy 101.
And that’s just for starters. I could go on and on about this, but I’m tired after a long day of blogging, and I’d suggest reading up on some of the testimony of Gen. Shenseki, on some of the interviews that Gen. Wesley Clark and others have done, and many of the op-eds that former military and intel (including Larry Johnson and Pat Lang and many, many others) have been doing all along.
Had this not been done in a slapped together, half-assed fashion from the start, had the work been done in the planning stages to have adequate military force on the ground to hold the nation’s violence down to a manageable level or less while the infrastructure work got done to the power grid, the run-down hospitals and other necessary infrastructure issues, and had the work been contracted out to Iraqis who need the jobs…well, it might be a whole lot less of a civil war three years down the road, mightn’t it?
And bianco, I’d suggest you modify your snotty-assed tone and educate yourself on the difference between decent, ethical, dedicated military servicepeople and the skeezy tactics that the Bush Administration has been able to cajole out of a few in the chain of command who put their own rise in power above ethics (as in Gen. Miller who has had his hand in Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, and Bagram in Afghanistan, who has been kissing Rumsfeld ass ever since the Bush Administration came into office.) But taking a snotty ass tone with me on this issue will get you nowhere…you are lucky that I’m tired and not in the mood to respond at length in a post. The fact that I even had to explain basics to you on this tells me a lot…
Great post! This is why the Prince of Darkness and his buddies are so frightening.
http://letterfromhere.blogspot…..eocon.html
I used to be a repulican, and I get angry when articles like this say, “We must get the Democrats back into power”. I would vote Democrat if the party could come up with someone that has an answer to the problem. I haven’t seen that person!!
Shelley,
You’ve seen them, you just don’t recognize them.
Your problem is the same one that bushco has, you’re blind.
“If I was president, this wouldn’t have happened.”
– Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), quoted by the Detroit News, on the Israeli-Lebanon conflict. [per *ilson, next thread]
Well I am not to sure where you are getting all your information, but trust me we still convoy three to four times a day out of Kuwait. Every pot hole, plastic bag, pop can and dog is consider and IED until proven otherwise. The boys get shot at on a daily basis and have junk thrown at them, when they cross under the bridges. So if your trying to tell the Americans our troops are not in danger try again. I have a nice prosthic joint in my right shoulder as well as being booted for telling my story in Time Magazine, the truth hurts and the republicans hate it. That is why I am running for office. The problem being is everyone wants to scream and complain but no one wants to put their money where their mouth is. We all want change so help the ones who are trying to change the way our country is heading by supporting or campaigns. Stop giving to the big boys and help us little guys get into state assembly so we can help the big boys when they need it.
Kelly S. Parrson, Democrat for the 36th Assembly of Wisconsin, as well as a disabled Veteran from OIF 2003-2004, lost my job and my house next is my family but we are holding on.