
guest post by Taylor Marsh
Did you wake up feeling like something was missing? According to Mort Kondracke, it is nothing short of your political soul. Now, for political agnostics that might not mean much. However, for some of us, losing our Democratic soul is serious.
This is no exaggeration: The soul of the Democratic Party — and possibly the future of civility in American politics — is on the line in the Aug. 8 Senate primary in Connecticut. – Mort Kondracke (sub. req.)
It’s all about Joe, or rather, the challenge to Senator Lieberman’s entitlement of office. Josh Marshall said it right earlier this morning, in a follow up post contemplating Mort’s latest meanderings.
Following up on that, I think the Lieberman skeptics are really on to something when they point out that in the Kondracke’s and others there is this sense that for a well-liked-in-the-beltway senior pol like Lieberman to face a primary challenge is somehow a genuine threat to the foundations of the system. You’d think he was a life peer, if not an hereditary noble, suddenly yanked out of the House of Lords and forced to run for his seat like they do in the Commons. – Josh Marshall
Evidently, Marshall Wittmann didn’t get the memo. You know Marshall. He’s the former Christian Coalition official and GOP operative who loves to give Democrats advice. I’ve mentioned him before, but today it doesn’t hardly seem worth it. His spiral into silliness is almost sad. But it’s hard to feel sorry for an unreformed Republican in our midst.
The Connecticut race is not just about Joe, but about the long-term political health of the Democrats. And this vile swiftboating of Joe could long plague the donkey. – The Liberalism of Fools, by Marshall Wittmann
When a supposed Democrat starts parroting Mort Kondracke and Bush supporters there really is no point in listening anymore. Remind you of anyone?
“If we leave Iraq before the Iraqis are able to self-govern and self-defend, it greatly strengthens Iran’s hand,” he said. “Iran will take this as a sign that the U.S. does not have the will to win the war against terrorism. …" – Senator Joe Lieberman (via Mort Kondracke’s "Lieberman Race Pits Moderation vs. Hatred-Politics" – Roll Call)
Is that a neocon talking, or is being part of the oppposition party not good enough for you anymore?
Being lectured by the likes of Kondracke and Wittmann on "hatred-politics" and "swiftboating" is like listening to Ann Coulter talk about civility in political discourse. Kondracke is so desperate he brings up "one commenter" who supposedly let fly an anti-Semitic rant. One commenter on a blog, that’s your proof? Wittmann continues his own brand of "hatred-politics" by accusing Lamont supporters of swiftboating Joe Lieberman. As somewhat of an expert on the subject of swiftboating, this charge is, let’s just say, a tad hysterical.
There’s one other item the D.C. elite forget. The latest poll shows Lamont surging ahead of Lieberman. That poll comes out of Connecticut; not out of the progressive blogosphere. The people of Joe’s own state are deciding this one.



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fitz!!!! Zero!! Zero!!!
FROOTZ!
I did it!!!
Ned!!!
Be-yotch, lol
Why, thank you! :-P
Great post Taylor. “Swiftboating” Joe will hurt the Democratic Party? Get real. From what I’ve observed, Ned is just telling it like it is.
Da FROOTZ is rising in da TOOBZ! (For GrandmaJ)
Last thread EPU’d a couple of bomb shells dropped this AM in the CT-SEN race. Schlesinger was successfully sued by some Atlantic City casinos for gambling debt, and CT Gov. Rell’s people are trying to provide Lieberman a safe harbor on the GOP line of the ticket after dumping Schlesinger!!!
Holy schnikey billmon got something wrong. In fact the destruction of a unitary Iraqi state was always the goal of the neo-cons
and being able to vote in connecticut, i find it fascinating what the talking heads are trying to tell me to think. it’s my vote. and i vote for ned. period. make anything you want of that mort…
Appears Kondrake and Wittman have joined the “All hail Lord Lieberman…we drink his juice too campaign”
Pathetic.
Morning Taylor…
Larry
This is just their knee-jerk reaction to the projection of rejection of their own political worldview selection.
FOR YEARS the Republicans have dominated the discussion by telling Democrats what they really ought to do to be a better, more competitive party. It was the overt strategy of the Republicans to follow Reagan’s 11th Commandent (“Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican”) with the concern troll refrain of, “If only those Democrats would do {fillintheblank} they would be better off.
Marshall Whitmann and the whole of the DLC took on this Republican strategy and OWNED it, sinking so many Democratic ships that the Ocean is littered with their flotsam. Now, sheeple are turning back into people and saying,
“Hey Joe, where you goin’ with that gun in your hand?”
http://billmon.org/archives/002546.html
Oops screwed up the tag here is the link.
by the way, taylor, you have been on fire. bless you for your gifts to this blog
Great rhythm, Rapper T-!
…From the words of
Bill O’ Reilly,
That I heard on my TV,
From Bob Novak,
And Rush Limbaugh,
It all made sense to me.
Anyone who spoke
Against us,
Was playin’
A dangerous game.
But my Country’s become
A laughing stock,
And The GOP’s to blame…
Goper’s Lament
Oh, and Yeah, Taylor — what pete ^ said!
absentee ballots are out today in Conn.
GO NED!
Kondrake, Wittman and other Dem pundits are all upset because of their resistance, like the rest of the MSM and punditocracy, to the hallowed Blogospheria. They all fear their jobs as gatekeepers of the knowledge of current events will soon be going the way of the buggy whip salesman in 1912. They see “thuh blawwwwgzzzz” as a threat, see LIEberman getting chewed up by us out here in the Reality Based Community and can’t help but defend their brother in arms. WATB’s all of them.
The election is important not just for Democrates, but for democracy, and for members of any party that are blessed with those that think being elected makes them a “hereditary noble”. Isn’t this the reason some of the incumbent aristocracy are supporting Joe. This will have great ripple effects. It will show to others that the fear of loosing an incumbent can and should be replaced by the hope of representative democracy. Voters need to show that doing what is right is more important than selling out for bribes of tainted pork.
Methinks I had a comment eaten up near the tippy-top with a shout for GrandmaJ. Mod/God please uncork da TOOB its in.
Hot Fire & Rain thats our Taylor.
Larry
Morning, Taylor – another great post!
I guess it would be asking to much for these guys to examine the issues in Connecticut, how Joe’s positions on a number of issues are counter to those of the majority of CT voters, how CT residents feel about his voting record and how Joe has represented them in his current term.
The focus on the blogs is partially the result of anger at their encroachment on territory that has been monopolized by the corporate media, and partially denial about what is actually going on with Lieberman. Lieberman can’t face the truth, either – that he has no “right” to the seat he holds, that his record isn’t sacred and exempt from examination, that he is facing the consequences of having marginalized his constituents in favor of his own interests and “principles.”
And I suppose if Lieberman bolts for the GOP, these guys will attempt to blame it on the mean Democratic Party and the “savaging” by the blogs, instead of calling it what it is: a selfish act by an opportunistic and self-centered politician whose goal is not to serve the people of Connecticut, but himself; when you name your party of one “Connecticut for Lieberman” you’ve told us what your priority is.
What DAB says……this election is about democracy everywhere.
Taylor you go girl…..
It disturbing how those who consider themselves the guardians of American values are so upset by the exercise of those values.
Apparently following your conscience is only valid if you’re running for office. However, when you’re voting for someone and follow your conscience you’ve lost your soul.
Politics is so confusing.
The hysteria from the neocons in the media is likely to increase over the next couple of weeks as it becomes clear that Ned Lamont may have a landslide victory. It’s going to be hard to resurrect Lieberman’s campaign if he looses by more than 10 points.
interesting musings by the CT republicans. check this out http://lamontblog.blogspot.com/ it looks like the repugs may try to move out their own candidate and then endores joe. interesting.
Thanks Mod/God! 1000 attaboys(girls?) for whoever did that. *ilson46201 is a mod, if that was you I owe you 1000 bonus attaboys for sporting the 46201 in your name anyway. EASTSIDE!
[that would be Mod Goddess…and you’re very welcome.]
I don’t know what is so upsetting to Joe. After the primary, he could just get a “real” job and join the rest of the ex-DC insiders at the troughs where his wife and others are filling up. Because that’s where the “real” work in DC is getting done. Not in the Congress.
Unless it would go against his values.
Way out west, we are rooting for Ned.
I read Wittmann regularly back in 2004 back when the US was winning the Iraqi war, we were told the Administration wasn’t spying on its citizens, and the only Katrina I knew played on my daughter’s soccer team. Reality moved on, and the Moose didn’t. I feel sad for him, especially because his country needs him to wake up.
I worry, Taylor, that I will feel the same way about the Big Dog after he campaigns for Lieberman. The good news is that we may have a new batch of political heroes come November.
Fox News didn’t kill civility.
Or Ann Coulter with her anti-NYT jihad. Or Rush who calls his liberal enemies “nazis”. Or the Christian Coalition’s Pat Robertson blaming 9/11 on (liberal) Americans.
Of course it wasn’t Mort himself screaming for dollars on thousands of shouting head shows.
Nor the actual “Swift Boat veterans” themselves. No, ironically, it’s the “swift boating” of Joe Lieberman. Although our “swift boating” isn’t based on lies about Joe’s record but the truth about his policy positions, which makes it not “swift boating” at all.
All these concern trolls can go straight to heck. Is that civil enough?
Mort can go suck on a lemon. Talk about a concern troll!
Thanks for the new thread Taylor!
Kinda OT:
Here’s another chuckle from Charles Barkley (NYPost via Americablog):
“NBA Hall of Famer Charles Barkley backed Mellencamp, saying, “He’s right.” While that may sound odd coming from a former conservative, Barkley told a local reporter, “I was a Republican – until they lost their minds.” Quayle, known for his great golf game, served as veep under President Bush’s father from 1989-’93.”
Two swipes at the GOP: “they’ve lost their minds” and Quayle known for his great golf game (who knew? WTF).
Me, I remember Quayle for his spelling prowess.
I don’t understand the Big Dog sometimes. He has been sending some mixed signals lately that have me being a concern troll for him. He came and raised money for Baron Hill in the IN-09 race in Indianapolis a few weeks ago and said some very nice things about the grassroots and how he is involved in getting grassroots organizations involved more in international affairs as well as in issues like preparedness and so on. Then he campaigns for the Big Weiner. Go effin figure.
From:
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:20 AM
To: ‘BullMooseBlog@gmail.com’
Subject: Your Lieber Rant
Dear Mr. Moose
I find your notion that Sen. Lieberman is being swiftboated ludicrous. I also find your characterization of a Primary challenge to a sitting Senator as the destruction of the inclusive vision of the Democratic Party equally ludicrous. The Democratic Party welcomes Senators and Representatives whose views reflect those of their constituents. Witness please my very own Congresscritter, Lincoln Davis (D, TN-4) and many others. I agree that Sen. Lieberman has a solid liberal record but on key issues he is out of step with the state of CT. Hence a Primary challenge. If Sen. Lieberman was not so thoroughly out of touch with his constituents he would have had a cakewalk, but he is out of touch and he then botched his campaign very badly. I know the language of some in the netroots is harsh in their condemnation of Sen. Lieberman, but “politics ain’t beanbag” and Sen. Lieberman has had ample opportunity to respond. The swiftboating of Kerry was orders of magnitude, in funding and intensity, greater than the criticisms of “Holy Joe.”
Thanks for your time.
You’d think he was a life peer, if not an hereditary noble, suddenly yanked out of the House of Lords and forced to run for his seat like they do in the Commons. – Josh Marshall
That’s what it’s all about, Joe. It’s called politics and it’s about representing the people your district and if they decide you’re done, you’re done. Much as you’ve tried to make it ALL about you, it’s about them, too.]]]Dingdingding…time’s up, Joe. (kitten attacking keyboard1788888888887!!)
Even if we don’t win in November, it would be worth it to get rid of a Lieberman or two. The dems have not stood for anything in so long because the liberal agenda is being held hostage by the DINO/gang of 14/triangulating bozo’s.
If we don’t win, it will be because we were too timid and backed the Lieberman’s. But even losing Congress again is winning if we start to win back the party. One step at a time.
I just wish Maine and RI would hang this rotten chicken of Rethuglican extremism around the neck of so-called moderate Republicans.
Protecting the status quo is about holding safe ground for Hillary
I’m not nearly as knowledgeable as most who participate at this fabulous site, but it seems to me that until very recently, it was the general consensus that blogs in general and left-wing blogs in particular were being largely ignored by the traditional establishment media. Now that the strength of Lamont’s campaign has become apparent, it seems that virtually overnight, the left-wing blogs have gone from being invisible and ineffectual to becoming the (evil) driving force behind some important upcoming elections. How amazing! Would Mr. Kondracke and his cohort please make up their minds……
am surprised Whittless didn’t make some clumsy analogy likening the ‘vile swiftboating bloggers’ to Hezbollah and our destructive incursion in to Lieberael
always a treat to see ya back at ‘the lake’ Taylor !
OT (again, sorry) but this is just another nail in DeLay’s political coffin.
ARMPAC’s been shut down:
“WASHINGTON — The fundraising organization that helped vault former Rep. Tom DeLay to Republican leadership ranks in the House and distributed election money to numerous Republicans has been fined for campaign finance violations and is shutting down.
Under an agreement with the Federal Election Commission, Americans for a Republican Majority’s political action committee agreed to pay a $115,000 fine and close. The agreement, reached July 7, was made public late Wednesday.”
http://chron.com/disp/story.mp…..60475.html
Now those silly democrats need to accomodate Joe. Just because he doesn’t like the idea of reproductive freedom and choice for women, affirmative action, religious plurality with strong state/church separation, gay rights, a strong, unionized labor force, peace, justice and the rule of law, limited corporate greed (think bankruptcy bill), social security, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution (that’s pre-9/11, after all), doesn’t mean he’s not a democrat to the core! It’s not as if there were a political party in power right now that shares most, if not all, of Joe’s beliefs!
Oh wait….
I fully expect to see Joe pull a Zell Miller in the future, offering to be the “democratic” cheerleader for the next Republican presidential nominee. He and Zell could do a “Take Back America!” tour where they can spew spittle-flecked invectives at all of us crazed democrats who dared to support a progressive, anti-evangelicalized, anti-Republicanized, anti-neoconservatized form of democratic politics. Or, he could just become a lobbyist for all those corporate cronies that love him so well, or maybe he could even become the official Fox News Democrat! All of these pointless pundits would make a crack staff of researchers for him, golly gee!
Whatever the future may hold, I, for one, am completely energized to see the actual processes of representative democracy unfolding in CT, where voters are voting their hearts and not blind party loyalty. I long for the day it spreads to the other 49 states and incumbents are held accountable for the Republican-lite attituted that have protected their positions for far too long.
I Support Snowe Removal in Maine
Even “lefties” I know back up Olympia saying she votes against the shrubbery……they forget that she and her croney Collins only seem to vote against the GOP when it’s a foregone conclusion and their votes don’t count.
Her position letters (WRT letters I sent) never to address the issue–such as illegal NSA activities–but instead to talk about rewriting the laws to make it easier for POTUS et al to comply. WTF?
WRT supporting censure, she cites Biden…let the process work…..
Taylor,
Thanks for all your posts, really helpful.
Do you know if they are -still- making vets pay for food when they’re in the hospital? A Congressional candidate staff person asked me and I’m trying to followup.
cbl I dropped you a note in EPUland.
How in the world will the Democratic Party retain any claim to soul and center, if the chosen candidate of Limbaugh, Hannity and Coulter loses the primary?
Could it be that its “long term future” as the inkpad for the Republican rubberstamp might be threatened if Leiberman loses?
Hey guys, in case you’re wondering about Ned’s so-called Halliburton stocks, I heard from a pretty good source that he got rid of them a while ago. He had a small amount that a stockbroker picked out for them. Hope that clarifies. Again, Lieberman is exercising the politics of mass distraction. Another worrisome thing is that there is an article out there somewhere which parrots Lieberman’s talking points about why Ned is a “Republican.” Didn’t find out which one. But it’s more grotesque distortions of the Lieberliar campaign.The slime machine comes fast and hard.
…and Cut’n Run Joe still owns Halliburton stock via a “Victory Fund”.
Total Statewide # on Active Democratic Enrollment
634,611
Total statewide Vote in 2004 Democratic Presidential Primary
131,844
20.8% (Turnout)
Kerry
75,860
58.3%
Edwards
30,844
23.7%
Lieberman
6,705
5.2%
Dean
5,166
4.0%
Kucinich
4,133
3.2%
http://www.sots.ct.gov/Electio…..004PPP.htm
Joe was a poor performer at the polls in 2004 for the same reasons he is a poor performer in 2006: The voters don’t like him, they’d prefer someone else.
Terrific post Taylor. Just makes my day, yahoo!
Whatever all you firedawgs are doing, just keep doin’ it with the same laser focus. Don’t fall for the “swiftboating” charge. That was pure rubbish, and voters will sense that.
Kondracki et al. getting “shrill” and “hysterical”?
Good good sign IMHO. They’re keeping the voters’ focus on the campaign more & more, & that can only be good.
Seems to me, Ned’s main/only? problem is lack of name recognition compared to his lordship, & every mention of “Bush-Lite” [LOVE that one!] makes more folks take another, more probing look at Ned. If they think of the blog movement at all, it’ll be totally eclipsed by their interest in Ned himself.
How wonderful to have a candidate who looks even better in the sunlight!
Go NED!
*ilson46201 (48). Exactly. BTW. Your newest acquisition “whois…” caused some mirth. You rock!
that CT Primary in 2004 was on March 2nd. Was the presidential race substantially settled by then? if so, CT Dems mighta gone with the obvious winner (Kerry) instead of their homeboy Joementum…
Sorry, forgot to mention that those are numbers from CT the presidential primary, Joe’s home state. 95% of the voters chose another candidate.
Too late, Glenn Beck said we already last our soul when Michael Moore sat next to Jimmy Carter at the Democratic Convention.
How dare those ingrates in Connecticut choose someone else to represent them.
Anarchy, I say.
gerbear at 39
YEAH! *g*
egregious,
got it lassie, thanks !
Jane, I wanted to come to the gathering but instead I was waiting for Triple A. :(
Ned! Ned! Ned! … first it’s Ned and then everybody wants to do it and then it’s anarchy!
jane – how was your event last night? too many family conflicts for me to be able to go to the inn.
Fair point, except second place Edwards got nearly four times as many votes, beating him by almost 25,000 votes to Joe’s 6,000 votes.
And Joe only beat Kucinich by about 2,500 votes.
Home states usually support their candidates by better margins.
Finally, Joe fared horribly in every state, often finishing in the single digits despite his claimed prestige, prior run as VP nominee and national stature.
In fact, he did so poorly he had to spin a 5th place finish as “tied for third.”
Bottom line: Democratic voters did not like him much then, why is there so much surprise and shock that they don’t like him now?
After our victory on Aug 8th. the debate will change and be centered on the War in Iraq and Hillary and many others can not run from their mistaken support for this failed policy. Ned represents this threat to their decisions and the Big Dog is trying to protect Hillary’s position for 08.
We in Ct. like to make the weapons of war but are not too keen on their being used. Our and your children are special to us and for our leaders to sent them off based on lies to kill and die does not sit well with Ct. voters.
HoJo won as a anti-war Democrat and turned into a ??????, Ct. is still anti-war and we want one of our own kind to represent us, so if the Washington Club and the Military Industrial Complex is upset with our wanted to dump HoJo, too bad.
During the 2005 Social Security Bamboozle Palooza event in Denver, I sat next to hard core GOP activist — not a kool aid drinker, but an oldline committee person type guy.
He said that the Democrats should have nominated Lieberman, instead of that dirty hippie liberal John Kerry. Not wanting to completely blow my cover, I didn’t ask the obvious question — would he have voted for Lieberman? While he might have toyed with the idea, he would have still voted for Bush.
Marshall Whittmann is no more a Democrat than this guy was. Whittmann is a fifth columnist GOP operative, who came over to sow the seeds of our destruction. Which is, of course, the reason the why the DLC has embraced him. Destroying the Democratic Party is just too big a job for the homegrown DLC backstabbers to do by themselves.
Add another reason to the list of reasons why this blog is so cool, Taylor Marsh, who I found out about here.
I don’t know if anybody posted this yet, it’s very funny. There’s a brief Microsoft commerical beflore it starts.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..25442.html
possibly the future of civility in American politics…
I guess that’s why we were referred to as terrorists, a jihad. That’s civil, ain’t it?
Also, note that turnout for 2004 was only 20.8% for a presidential primary.
Lieberman’s camp has been quoted as saying a turnout of 20% or less would all but ensure a Lamont victory…as of recent polling.
“There’s one other item the D.C. elite forget. The latest poll shows Lamont surging ahead of Lieberman. That poll comes out of Connecticut; not out of the progressive blogosphere. The people of Joe’s own state are deciding this one.“
This is the important point that the pearl-clutchers are not understanding. This is a local, not a national election. When Connecticut voters enter the booths in a few weeks, they are not going to be voting on a ballot initiative that asks whether Joe is “liberal enough” for modern progressives, or whether the Democratic Party “has room for centrists.” They’re going to have a choice between two men to represent them. That’s all. No more, no less. If Ned Lamont represents their views better, he’ll probably win. The only lesson that useful idiots like Wittman can take from that is that Connecticut Democrats agreed with Lamont more on the issues than they agreed with Joe.
Of course, you don’t get to write columns wailing about the death of the Party on that fact, so it’s conveniently misunderstood.
So Jane, tell us about last night. I wanted to go but the farm keeps me busy. Love the place you went too.
gerbear – what those on the ground in CT have reported here, including Jane, is that the blogs are not what is driving this race. Yes, the blogs have raised money, which certainly helps in the fight, but “driving force?” No.
You can look at that a couple of ways. One, the MSM is putting the blogs front and center, because they want Joe to win, and they want the blogs to go away. If Joe wins, the corporate media can use that victory to stomp the blogs back into their “rightful” place – the MSM’s preferred location.
But the other way to look at it is, if Ned wins, it will end up being a victory for the blogs, even though the blogs’ influence has really been minimal, because the MSM has made them a big part of the conversation. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Nice Post. Really brings alot of things home about what’s going on in our country. The foundation of Democracy is at risk, certainly not how Kondreke describes but because of this criminal administration. Here’s a five minute speech by JFK that is more timely than ever:
http://getintheirface.blogspot…..eroes.html
Please check it out, weird (not really) how “history repeats itself…”
Millineryman 64 thanks for the link. That was fun and very well done. Nice way to start the day.
Lieberman bolting for the Rethugs post primary loss is something the Big Dog should keep in mind for any photo ops on July 24.
These potential pictures of Bill with a newly minted Republican Senatorial candidate that has shown his true political colors are surely something that could resonate with voters and taint Hill/Bill’s chances in 2008.
Assuming of course she’s running for the Democrats…
Nim, are you a kosher ham hock?
Millinery at 64
Brilliant! Paul rocks.
Taylor – Good Job
I don’t know what Mort and Marshall are talking about.
My only thought is that they are being paid (well) to stroke it the way they are stroking it.
“Nim, are you a kosher ham hock?“
Sorry, but I’m about as unclean a meat as you’ll ever find.
Plus, I sometimes use cuss words on blogs. Single-handedly bringing civil society to its knees, I am.
The Phredd enjoyed this little soul-satisfying rant on The Bull Moose:
The Phredd encourages good Democrats to read it all.
I have only learned in the last year that Muslims also have dietary laws called “hallal” similar to kosher — sorta like a religious Pure Food and Drug Administration…
Millineryman @ 64
PLEASE pretty PLEAAAAAAZZZZZEEEE come by here this afternoon when The Spin I’m In posts and share that in comments, I may not be around and/or may be too out my damn mind from lack of sleep to remember to post that shit. OOPS DID I JUST HELP BRING CIVIL SOCIETY CRASHING DOWN?!?!?! I blame Nim, the ham hock of liberty. Dirty porker!
Phredd — everybody knows Susan relays the messages from Eli Lilly to Evan …
Joe’s own team said it best (and shortest): Joe Must Go (for all the reasons mentioned).
Bring on the new Dems and maybe we get the Democratic party back, rather than Republican lite.
Something which I’ve not seen much comment on (and the little of that done very gingerly) is AIPAC’s seeming role in fostering a coordinated and increasingly hysterical response to the threat of Joe’s demise. Last week (or so) we had Davis and Brooks – both shills for AIPAC – firing concerted salvos . Next it’s Big Dog coming to Waterbury to stump for his persecutor, raising the level of engagement, followed today by absolute hysteria from two more AIPAC shills and news that Bill Kristol has been contributing to Joe.
So while we may pride ourselves that the pundits are seeing their punditizing role threatened by blogocracy, it seems that AIPAC and its neo-con supporters may be playing a more fundamental role in defense of their most reliable stooge.
This seems to be a topic no one much wants to touch. Ah well. Regards and thanks to all for the continuing great posts. En avance!
Opps. I should have checked this first:
Tuesday, February 03, 2004
WASHINGTON — Joe Lieberman (search) dropped out of the Democratic presidential race Tuesday after landing a distant second place in Delaware, a must-win state for the Connecticut senator, and barely registering in the other six states with primaries and caucuses.
He dropped out before the CT primary! My error.
Nevertheless, Lieberman fared miserably in the states he did contest, and never won a single one. But the point is still valid: Voters did not warm to him or find him at all appealing in 2004, why should they in 2006?
OT – Some FDL meet and greet photos are now online. I just put up four pictures, along with some commentary on “Connecticut Bob”.
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..et-in.html
Is Phredd one of ours, *ilson46201? That may not be common knowledge outside Indy. Besides, I thought Susan Bayh was more in the pocket of Wellpoint/Anthem. The Guvfather is Lilly’s messenger.
Nim — the appropriate obscure answer is “as kosher as they get.”
The father of a friend from high school was a teenage survivor of Auschwitz. When my friend ordered a ham hock at a restaurant, I asked him if it was kosher — he didn’t know. I’m guessing they were not an observant family.
Anne at your 69
Thanks for refining that thot. I get too excited, then kinda ham-handed trying ta’ ’splain meself.
YES YES YES. What you said.
[What you say explains] why I’m so delighted that Ned’s such a strong candidate in his own right. The ONLY thing he needed the blogs for is to help get his name out there. He’s perfectly capable of carrying the whole show and being a terrific, enlightened and productive member of the Senate.
The Kondrackes et al. either don’t get that themselves, or don’t want the great unwashed to figure it out.
(sidelight: how DARE they grouse about Ned’s candidacy, with that sorry crew they shoved into the White House?!)
Lilly’s is not a major funder of the DLC — Emmis and Simon are. Susan Bayh is the overtly corporate type in the family and I’m sure explains their point of view to Evan as he schemes, calculates, polls and triangulates …
CT Bob at 84
Nice pics. Thanks. It’s nice to ’see’ you guys.
CTBob,
Thanks for the post and photos and for all the great work you are doing for Lamont.
That first photo of Jane is especially good.
Welcome to Ask Kondrake!:
Does the fact that there is a serious right wing, millionaire challenger of Lincoln Chafee in Rhode Island — Stephen Laffey, Mayor of Cranston — mean that the Republican Party is losing its soul?
{OK, it was a trick question, it never had any soul}
thanks Ct Bob
CTBob — No stogy? It was a day to celebrate and you were outside….
Gosprey 89
. . . maybe because they don’t have to?
perhaps ‘understood’, but less effective that than pointing up that famous, all-revealing kiss -
- plus helping enable an excellent candidate?
Pure & simple is good, if it works. ;->
oops, Gosprey at 82 —
above
May the fleas of a thousand Democratic donkey’s infest your crotch,Mr.Kondrake.
I know this is OT and blatant blog-whoring but I’m really angry about what is happening to the Lebanese people…
http://katrinamemo.blogspot.co…..ragic.html
Hey all. Pete, Lotus, Old Sow, thanks. Can you believe Wittmann actually used the term “swiftboating”?
guess yer not a stilted bluenose like me, eh Bustednuckles? heh
Egads Bustedknuckles, what would the Pearl Clutching Community have to say to such hateful language!
Naw. A little lower on the social scale I’d say. Lol
1,218 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
For all those concerned about Big Dog’s shillin’ for Ol’ Joe…well, don’t. As long as he doesn’t go out after the progressives but holds handz with incumbants, he’s jest doin’ what “party statesmen” are s’posed ta do. Bill is runnin’ in front of Hillary, makin’ sure that the coreporate money left in the street after Joe goes down in flames is scooped up by the Clinton garbage truck.
Not to fear, a resoundin’ victory for Lamont puts a stake thru the heart of the Hillary campaign monster. In the meantime, Bill is seen as holdin’ hands with the”moderates” as they go down in flames but does nuthin’ ta undermine the progressives. Big Dog is doin’ what he does best…makin’ a silk purse outta a sow’s ear. He’s actually holdin’ the party tagether in the face of the hysterical DLC Republicrats who want to create an uncivil war in the party. Bill knows Liebermann is toast and he is sendin’ Lieberman and Lieberman’s fascist masters a message…”if you lose and run as an independant, I’ll bury you.”
KEEP THE FAITH AND LET ‘EM SHOOT EACH OTHER!!
Taylor, Ned has run an amazingly positive campaign. Yes he has noted policy differences, but there certainly has been no swiftboating — unless it is from Lieberman.
For little Marshall, “swiftboating” must mean “Kicking Lieberman’s ass in the primary.”
Taylor at 98
His loss. Dopey thing to do. It can only help Ned, methinks.
Again. Thanks for wonderful post! ;->
once again, for your amusement — http://www.WhoIsJoeLieberman.com
Here we examine the targeted assimilation of the Democratic party into the Borg Republican Operative by the seeding of its strategists with cyborg snakes like Wittman and of its officeholders with cyborg snakes like Lieberman. Sure, they’re labeled Dems, but that’s as far as it goes, and we’re all supposed to swallow it ad infinitum. KICKING WITTMAN OUT along with Lieberman should be one of our prime directives. He is evil.
*ilson, I never get tired of that link — I have emailed it around the country….
Ed – left you a comment … there’s a good little article on Lebanese bloggers in Wired this morning with links to many.
http://www.wired.com/news/tech….._culture_3
and remember, just as we don’t trust CM to report well on Lamont, there’s even more reason to doubt the coverage they provide of the Middle East so consider going to local sources and blogs.
NorskeFlamethrower, right on…
Taylor,
Great post! You need to get out more often… I mean on the airwaves around the nation. Your work is nothing short of stunning.
How about they dump the satellite sisters on AAR and put Taylor and the FDL gals on as the internet sisters! Now that would be a show that would get ratings and rantings and we could be better informed by your collective brilliance!
OMG, not the civility thing again. Christ I swear these people clutch their pearls more than pornstars do.
Kondracke is right on one thing though. This is indeed about the longterm political health of the Democrats. We are amputating the gangrenous limb of Lieberman, to save the patient.
Mort is in either of these two categories:
1. Words mean what I want them to mean – the Red Queen
2. “Words mean different things to different people” – GWBush
Swiftboating has a specific, clear meaning. None of what’s going on in Connecticut has anything remotely to do with swiftboating, although the HAL charges RGJoe’s thrown at Ned are starting to look like swiftboating.
Here’s what I think swiftboating is: Attack your opponent on his perceived strength, and your potential weakness.
None of that directed at RGJoe by Ned, is there?
On another topic, perhaps BigDog’s Monday visit will accomplish yet another goal: keeping RapeGurneyJoe from heeding the Governor’s siren song to bolt to the GOP. RGJoe really couldn’t leave the Democratic Party for anywhere after 42 campaigns for him, could he?
Could he? Won’t Bill have taken out an insurance policy on this, in the form of an ironclad promise from RGJoe?
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Seems AIPAC has smelled the wind and initiated an all out offensive to save its sniveling and compromised Senator Lieberman, whom, apparently, no one has the right to challenge. Ever.
I wonder if The Bull Moose knew much about the real animal when he chose his alias. A moose will stand directly in the path of an oncoming train not realizing that there is something bigger than he is with predictable results.
When americans actually exercising their free will, voicing their opinions loudly & flexing their grassroots organizing muscles are convolutedly treated as threats to the dem party system..the sky is falling.., you don’t need any clearer evidence how far we have deviated from democratic fundamentals 101.
Wee Billy Blinky Kristol believes Iranian people would welcome the “right” kind of military strike..I’m sure Perle still believes there will be a statue of bush in Iraq someday too. IMO, this kind of magical thinking by the neocons, this adm & the 29 percenters is no different from the mentally ill or cokeheads who jump off a cliff flapping their arms yelling, “I’m flying, I’m flying!”
“Vile swift-boating”! Oh, please.
FYI/OT: Juan Cole will be a guest on (former Rep.) Lynne Rivers’ radio show at noonET today. You can hear the streaming audio at WEMU.org. The show is locally produced, but Cong. Rivers has been doing it for a couple of years now, and it’s getting to be pretty good. There will be a call-in segment.
1000 attaboys for the pornstar snark. And on that point you made about ‘ol Nomentum being a gangrenous limb, I couldn’t agree with you more. The success of Lamont, Webb in VA, John Laesch in IL-14 vs Denny Hastert, Tester in Montana, and all the other fabulous netroots supported candidates around the country, you can begin to see there is some sort of THERE there in the progressive blogosphere’s impact on politics this year and its role in ‘08. Who’s moving to WI with me to kick off the Feingold run come January?
immanentize: CTBob — No stogy?
Actually, I did have a big Cuban churchill with me, but it takes at least an hour to smoke it properly, and I since I wanted to talk to people rather than suffer banishment, I decided to forego it.
Plus, I’m cutting back a bit. Keith Olbermann’s cancer scare kind of woke me up to the fact that cigars aren’t necessarily good for you. K.O. and I share a birthday; when the universe sends you a message like that, you don’t ignore it if you’re smart!
OMG, not the civility thing again. Christ I swear these people clutch their pearls more than pornstars do.
HAH HA-HAAH!!
Kurt, I just about spit out my melatonins with that one!
Woohoo!
Prof. Juan Cole at Informed Comment is a daily must-read on Iraq and Lebanon http://www.juancole.com/
Taylor, you are a swell accompaniment to my morning java — thanks for reading over there in Mort-land so I don’t have to! (Kurt 111 LOL!)
OfT:
VandeHei sez in his WaPoO chat this morning that there have been no calls for Leavitt’s resignation over his seemingly legal but not terrible generous tax-sheltered family charity. I wonder if DeeCee millionaire politicos are ALL tarnished with this brush, leaving no one with clean hands capable of speaking out against this abuse of the new law:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01906.html
CT-Bob: You are much more handsome without the stogey! Thanks for the fotos — who taught Jane not to cross her eyes when the shutter snaps?
The concern for “civility” is so touching given the support of these fools for “civility” in the Middle East –
Juan Cole today writes:
I repeat, this is nothing less than an ethnic cleansing of the Shiites of southern Lebanon, an assault on an entire civilian population’s way of life. Aside from ecology, it is no different from what Saddam Hussein did to the Marsh Arabs of southern Iraq, and the Israelis are doing it for exactly the same sorts of reasons that Saddam did.
and MFI has several photos which are circulating widely in the ME along with commentary – very disturbing pics of the crimes our tax dollars pay for. (link as always in my login)
maybe it’s just me, but I always thought in America, do we still live here in America or not???? anyway,,, here, in America we go vote for WHOEVER WE, the little people, want to go and REPRESENT us* in DC. Now I learned that way back in about the fifth grade but if something changed, someone should have told EVERYONE IN AMERICA not just a few folks about this major change. It appears most of us little WE people, are learing it about now. Some even later I am afraid. Point being, the people of the state will can and should decide this election. This candidate will perhaps represent* what a novel idea huh… the people of the state!! From what I read, the incumbant is being challenged and rightfully so because he is NOT representing the will of the people he represents but the will of the people who have hijacked out American government and way of life basically. It saddens and troubles me when I hear people I thought I respected saying things like it is not good for the party to have challengers. Would it not be just as true that it would not be good to have an election? Maybe lifetime appointed government works for some democrats like Bill. I have to say that comment surprised me. If new blood doesn’t go in, nothing will change. The politicians obviously still do not hear the people. WE the little people do not feel so represented and want change.
I commend Ned LaMont for joining this race and making issues important enough to talk about. I have learned alot about the enabling going on in DC. It concerns BOTH parties do not ever kid yourself…. something happens to people when they get elected. They change. They go live ” inside the beltway” in that fantasy island land. Well Joe… do I hear ” de plane”?????
yes, *ilson, Prof. Cole’s post today reduced me to tears and so did many of the articles at Information Clearing House. Robert Fisk has a new one up.
http://www.informationclearing…..index.html
I know that most people on this site are focused on Holy Joe-nertia, but did anybody notice that, once again, that putz Arlen Specter rolled over on the NSA oversight so he could have his belly rubbed by Bush?
Reports up at Juan Cole’s site grim beyond endurance. Lebanon and its population being pounded into bloody dust. Iraq torn apart. Merciless. Wanton, self-righteous brutality. Good thing the Corporate Media keeps it from us. So upsetting, y’know.
Great Post, Taylor –
This link makes mincemeat of the the Bull Moose — Marshall Whittmann really is a classic GOoPer concern troll.
http://www.bendomenech.com/blo…..00302.html
OT – Had the T.V. on in the background and the fool Rita Crosby kept going on and on about historical pictures coming in from Israel showing the gathering of forces getting ready to enter Lebanon.
And Jamie Rubin saying that … well whatever he was tring to say – agreeing with Ritz and the general touting how great it is to see the mightly Israeli army getting ready to plow into Lebanon and everyone fleeing for their lives …
Had to turn it off. Such rousing talk re anticipating the death of so many people just sends me round the bend. I think I need a mental health website to regain my sanity. Or maybe there is no sanity left in the world.
Looks an awful lot like the ground invasion of Lebanon is about to commence with our blessing. The bloodbath continues.
Morning Taylor!
Pirate-pedia entry:
Concern Troll
- noun
1) Someone who’s issues and agenda are moved forward by a disingenuous “sympathetic” analysis of their opponents strategy.
2) Marshall Wittmann
Curious Jim,
I noticed. I read once (here?) that someone who knows Specter’s son reported that the Republicans have some BIG DEVASTATING blackmail over his head. He has become so ridiculous, IMHO, no amount of blackmail is worth the indignity…
GrandmaJ — sane people right here at the ‘lake, as you well know. We’ll get through this together, supporting one another in our outrage and our pain….
Urban at #131-
3. David Brooks
Methinks Joey is wedging himself quite firmly into a corner from which he will be unable to extricate himself without totally killing his chances.
Let’s say that Clinton comes to town on Monday, and gives a great speech that only later Joe will realize really didn’t say all that much about him (Ned’s people and the media will pick up on that right away, but Lieberman’s on some kind of delay). Nonetheless, he spins it as a plus for the campaign. On Tuesday or Wednesday, an undercover CT GOP rep comes to Lieberman and tells him that if Joe will agree to run as the GOP candidate, they have Schlesinger’s agreement to drop out of the race.
If he chooses to bolt and run as a Republican, he can forget about any Democratic votes, and can count on a backlash from the party that will be blistering. He might think, though, that it’s his best chance to win. So far, his decisions have not proven to be aprticularly helpful to his campaign.
He could choose to decline, and leak the GOP approach and his refusal as proof that he’s a “real” Democrat, except when he’s a Connecticut for Liebermanian.
But even being approached would shoot his Democratic bona fides all to hell – what’s left of them – and would likely hurt him more than help him – would the GOP approach a solidly Democratic candidate to bolt? Hell, no.
I doubt anything will happen before Sunday – Lieberman is an observant Jew, who is supposed to forgo work on the Sabbath, which starts at sundown tonight and goes until sundown Saturday.
immanentize,
I wonder what spectre lurks in Specter’s closet. Buggering little boys, perhaps? Or that he goes to a hair colorist? Whatever it is, he is a miserable fuck and a traitor to the Constitution.
Hey, Anne, I want a crystal ball like yours! Very good prediction of how it may play out in CT, imho.
Arlen Specter was a lead attorney on the Warren Commission — allegedly he was creator of the ’single magical bullet’ theory — some folk would say he is up to his neck in a major coverup …
Okay, I’m about to visit siun’s and angie’s links, so to steel myself, I’m chanting,
“Awright, you can do this. And, remember, when you get back you’ve got the stylings of Nim, ham hock of liberty; HopeSpringsATurtle; Priscilla, Queen of the Beach; Norske Flamethrower; Fini FiniTOOBZ!; … and your little dog too to come home to.”
YEAH!
Okay, here goes . . .
Marshall Wittman, as well as other “moderate” , “former” republicans have become so disgusted with the Republican party that they have left and are now trying to re-make the Dem party to be the party they imagined.
Go take your old party back, Marshall. Your “leadership” handed it over to the talibangelicals, now go take it back.
Either way, don’t ever think you speak for liberals or Democrats, because you don’t have a clue what we’re fighting for.
TeddySF – I know this is where sanity has a foothold. I am sitting here thinking of those children laying in morgues or hospitals, horribly wounded, and my heart remembers the moment I first saw Cody. Laying in that big bed, head totally wrapped in bandages, tubes coming out of everywhere — and my heart breaks.
And so today all I see in front of eyes are those tiny bodies – wounded in in body and in spirit. The world has gone mad with Bush as its terrible leader.
But I will come here for sanity and for grieving. I need to grieve a bit for our country (been doing that for a while) and for the world. That is why we must keep on doing exactly what we are doing. Sorry, done for now. Need to go quilt for awhile and keep my mind busy with something other than pictures.
ilson (#138):
A coverup re JFK’s assassination? Everybody with half a brain knows it was a mob hit orchestrated by Carlos Marcello of New Orleans.
Wait a minute — you’re not saying Specter has the goods on GHWB?
Didn’t Wittman formally work for the Christian Coalition? Shouldn’t that be a very big red flag? Shouldn’t he at least have gone through some probationary period before becoming one of the Dem’s insider strategists? Smells awful dirty to me.
The Hirohito Effect http://billmon.org/
I do remember reading a post online from someone claiming to be a close friend of Specter’s son, saying, without being very specific, that Cheney has major filth on the good Senator, and is holding it over him. It could be his role in the JFK coverup, but that part was not stated in the post.
He’s DLC – Not Dem.
GOP/DLC are like two brothers fighting to get a bigger share of Daddy’s estate.
We’re all just the help.
Bill, help me, i’ve fallen and i can’t get up….Help me Mr. Bill, pleassseee
Deep into EPU territory, but I’m just back from Mrs BC’s family reunion week. I got to listen to a lot of AAR on the way and back.
Lamont is now leading HoJo in the polls, among registered voters. HoJo has taken to holding unannounced campaign events. HoJo is running scared.
The part that I don’t understand is Bubba’s campaigning for HoJo. I told Mrs BC in the car yesterday that if I were Bubba, I’d tell Hillary something like this: “Honey, I love you, and you know I’d do nearly anything for you. But going to Connecticut to campaign for Lieberman won’t work. The guy not only voted in favor of convicting me, when the bill failed he wanted to censure me!”
Way OT, to Lotus and Hope: Cadet BC phoned home night before last. Apparently everything’s AOK in the ROK. He’s missing home, and our cat can’t wait for him to get back so his kitten will go away.
I hope things are well in Germany, Hope.
BC — glad to be back where I can get my FDL fix.
Bill Kristol donates to Cut’n Run Joe http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/el….._lieberman
*perks up his ears* Did someone mention Arlen Specter and the Magic Bullshit Theory? And 1000 attaboys to Curious Jim for knowing one of the obscure theories in contention for being the Truth of the JFK plot.
Gerald Ford, GHW Bush, Nixon, and many many others in the Cheney Administration all have connections and ties to the grandaddy of conspiracy theories. New facts and figures continue to emerge in that case to this day.
In fact, it was only recently that it came to light Porter Goss had some connections to that whole Clay Shaw/NOLA crew implicated in that whole deal. And now we find E. Clay Shaw, Jr in a fight for his Congressional seat in FL receiving help from Jeb Bush and the family.
The more things change the more they remain the same – a riddle wrapped in a conundrum inside a mystery inside a puzzlebox.
Thanks, Taylor! Really appreciate the post this morning! :)
…and, btw, do AP reporters have an aversion to Animal House or what?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13960181/
Is it me, or wasn’t the news bit that the President of the United States went to a G8 Summit and acted like a boorish frat boy, who chews with his mouth open while talking or gives unwanted, creepy backrubs to female foreign leaders (at no extra charge!). I just spent the last hour talking with an old high school chum of mine — who happens to be a born again evangelical — and she and all the ladies at her church were horrified by Bush’s behavior. And she’s a die-hard Republican, has been for as long as I have known her.
Anyway, miss you guys, and I can’t thank Taylor enough for posting for me while I’m hanging out at my mom’s house. There will be a Pull Up a Chair tomorrow morning…thought we’d do some cool summer food and talk about your favorite stay cool tips, given the heat wave that most of us are dealing with at the moment. See everyone tomorrow!
Re: Specter and the Warren Commission
Don’t the Warren Commission materials become public in eight or nine years? If that’s the dirt that Darth Cheney has on Specter, it’s coming out soon anyway. Specter ought to get a spine and admit that he was young, stupid, didn’t know you could do that with a llama and sure didn’t know anyone had a camera there … then make amends for his youthful transgression by doing something to derail this american neofascism.
BC
A coverup re JFK’s assassination? Everybody with half a brain knows it was a mob hit orchestrated by Carlos Marcello of New Orleans.
While many of the JFK perps were associated with the NO Mob, they were also connected to the CIA — especially the Miami Station Anti-Castro Operation 40 hit team.
Curious that nearly all of the incriminating evidence against Lee Oswald came out of the garage of a Dallas Couple, who were good friends of Allen Dulles.
As for snarlin’ Arlen or GHWB having the goods on each other, I’d put my money on GHWB — his Agency/Gestapo expat tentacles run deep.
Are you aware of the Dan Hopsicker 1/22/63 Operation 40 photograph, that appears to include Porter Goss? Curiouser and curiouser . . .
Fini FiniTOOBZ!-79
I sure will, provided the lousy internet service at this otherwise comfortbale Econolodge is up an running.
All is forgiven for the fire engine red jacuzzi in the room however.
Nice photos, CTBob. Bob (and Teddy) are talking about a notorious photo taken by Al when I was talking to Ned where I had my eyes crossed. I offered Al just about ANYTHING not to publish it, it would’ve wound up the frigging masthead of Red State or something.
Blackmail material for life, that one.
Don”t forget felix rodriguez….
did Senator Joe Lieberman actually vote in the Senate to convict President Bill Clinton?
I checked the roll-call and Whiny Joe voted “not-guilty” on both counts … quelle surprise !
Redd,
If I could photoshop, I’d photoshop an image of 1600 Pennsylvania with the Delta Tau Chi coat of arms above the front pillars and unclothed female mannequins and kegs on the lawn …
This is truly the frat-boy adminstration.
I guess my internets in my toobz got plugged – suddenly today I have emails from Weds on on my personal email.
Sen Stevens needs to explain this to me again. If it’s a series of toobz, does that mean it’s not like a python that swallowed an electric blanket? Life confuses.
A lingering “WOOT” for Judge Walker’s decision yesterday.
*ilson – if I’m not mistaken, I think he voted to censure after the acquittal, and I think “the speech” came after the acquittal, too.
Another case of Joe wanting it both ways.
*ilson,
Who woulda thunk it … I take back ten percent of my nasty thoughts about HoJo.
BC
So, Joe Lieberman has the support of al-Foxeera employee and (IIRC) self-described ‘recovering liberal’ Morton Kondracke and former chief political advisor to the Christian Coalition Marshall Wittman (and according to Joshua Marshall, a campaign contribution from Bill Kristol) and we’re supposed to worry about the future of the Democratic Party? Okay.
Wittman, whatever his politics, ought to be ashamed of himself for using the term “swift-boating” to describe what is happpening to Lieberman. What an asshole (I find myself saying that a lot these days).
OT– The fools on msnbc are keeping the camera on the massive military buildup on the border and bloviating with glee as though we are gonna see a rocket launch. I see blood dripping from their maws.
Historic? No. War has happened before right there, rita, so shut your mouth.
Hi Redd and Jane. Thanks for the pictures, CTBob.
Josh:
Christy 8:55,
At least the “Web 2.0″ lousy attempt at snark was edited out.
Adding to Anne’s (135) Lieberman prognostications…If Joe bolts and runs as a Repub, he’s going to have a tough time with those GOP voters who won’t trust him because of his “liberal” positions. So he’ll manage to alienate both Dems and Repubs.
Damned if you, damned if you don’t…
Anne,
Oh yeah — Lieberman was out in front on the censure thing.
Actually, a motion to censure was something that I would have supported early in the process. The idea being let’s do something and move on, rather than tying things up with a doomed impeachment proceeding.
But censure as a fall-back? F*** you, and the horse you rode in on, HoJo.
BC
*ilson, Kristol Blue Donation?
Be still my beating heart. Of course, Kristol owes a huge debt of gratitude to William F. Buckley Jr. and Lieberman owes his current Senate seat to William F. Buckley Jr. so there is your lattice of coincidences.
inspired by the erudite Moose, let’s all start referring to ourselves in the third person. punaise wishes you all a pleasant day.
I read BSMoose for a month thinking at
first he was a centrist Democrat.
I quit reading before I knew his history,
other than McCain, which gets mentioned in
every post, because he seemed more like a
“concern troll” than a Democrat.
Now I know why.
a sign that the U.S. does not have the will to win the war against terrorism.
The odd thing is, I watched (inadvertently) a bit of Santorum on c-span and he was suddenly mentioning the fact that you can’t really have a war on terror; that terror is a tactic; that radical Islamo-facism is the threat; etc.
Kind of like he woke up from a coma and started having the discussion and debate that should have occured a long long time ago, before the Republicans, Neo-cons and Leibermans lost their minds and their “civility.” WHen Leiberman STILL can’t have a discussion that even Santorum is starting to pick up, that’s beyond disappointing.
A lingering “WOOT” for Judge Walker’s decision yesterday.
Mmm Hmm!! Woot!!
“Vile swiftboating”! Wait, when was a primary election such a vile thing to have? I thought it was part of our democratic process of election.
Evidently some animals are more equal than others….
siun and angie, I don’t know how you got through all that. I really, really tried, but perhaps you can guess which image drove me screaming back to you betimes.
Lest anyone miss Billmon:
UP at 166 — I missed the lousy snark attempt. (Perhaps that’s for the best. lol) I knew Bush was a DeKE — but who would want to go to a DeKE kegger at Yale? *g* (I’m probably going to get myself in trouble with a DeKE reader from Yale now…apologies up front — I’m kidding.) But honestly I wasn’t talking about the President’s fraternity, it was a metaphor and Sigma Chi was a better written/spoken phrasing than DeKE would have been. It was a literary choice, not a factual representation. And the reporter from AP needs to get Animal House in his/her Netflix queue pronto…
OT but this is so funny, it’s a Ken Blackwell ad aimed at African-American voters:
http://howardempowered.blogspo…..rican.html
Ch 3 WFSB CBS Hartford just aired news that Dems will air $30 mil ad campaign to unseat targeted Congessiional Repupblicans (thru Nov) Also, mentioned Clinton’s visit for Joe, time place ‘Joe.com’ and pnone for tix.
, Gads, *ilson or whoever is Mod Goddess right now, I’m sorry.
Morris agrees and wishes punaise and all the best.
Rita Cosby is just all excited, thinking about the flood of missing gentile women that she will be able to report on any day now.
It would be funny, if it weren’t so very sad.
speaking of vials:
“Six drops of the essence of terror, five drops of sinister sauce….And now for the tincture of tenderness, but I must use only a touch, for without a touch of tenderness, it might destroy me, Whoops! to much…”
I’m Milton Kondracke, you brand new son.
Redd — hope your mom has a woodshed, cuz the AP wants you in it for bad fact-blogging.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin…..uTube.html
Set your beverage away from the keyboard, lassie!
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Marshall Wittmann really should avoid the subject of fools.
new thread
… and AP should avoid discussions of fact-friendliness!
This hysterical indignation that anyone should dare, DARE! to challenge a sitting Neocon echoes similar nonsense we heard in ‘04.
How many of the BushBots voiced the same outrage? How dare Kerry highlight his Viet Nam service? Their guy had assiduously fled service, and our guy had NO BUSINESS I TELL YOU! bringing up anything that might embarrass God’s gift to America, his holiness, St. George, sent to fight the modern crusade against ragheads and libruls!
Bad challenger, bad! Ohhhhh, it makes me sooo mad!
STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!
Thanks Taylor!
These guys don’t have a clue, or, they must keep pretending that the status quo is fine in order to save their “careers”.
We don’t want what Lieberman is selling and the move to pry him from his seat started a long time ago. He’s just the first of others who will be replaced; representatives who don’t represent we the people who put him/them in office.
Every vote Lieberman cast and every word he spoke against the will of his constituents in Connecticut was like a glob of wet snow on a stone hurtling down a mountain.
The internet and the blogs are not the problem. Joe Lieberman’s problem is the out-of-touch politician he has become.
Ned Lamont is one of the many citizen candidates who will take back our government until it represents the people of this country. Nothing can stop this transformation.
CHS – AP leads a sheltered life where people get engraved invitations, delivered on a silver platter and opened by white gloved hands, to kegger parties that are formally attended only by designated representatives of the hosting organization.
*g*
I’ve been worrying about what will happen when they see the Two Headed Dink piece. Investigators are, as we speak, trying to disprove the blogotheory that GWB and JL share one body with two heads. If they can prove us wrong – they get to stick a feather in their cap and call it macaroni.
Christy -
Simple fact is – You run circles around these clowns in the brains dept.
I’m beginning to think that when it comes to journalism jobs, political pundit is the gym teacher equivalent.
Mary at 189 — that should have come with a spew warning. *G* (And I’ll be humming Yankee Doodle for the next hour or so…)
TeddySanFran @ 183
By the look of concern on Merkel’s face, I thought she expected the start of a secret Skull and Bones initiation…
Kurt @ 111
F*ckin’ Hilarious.
EPU’d, I know, but TPM has another Lieberman post, this one quoting Lanny Davis on his friend Joe:
I don’t know if that’s sad or just pathetic.
Taylor 98
More like MIs-using “swiftboating”.
Swiftboating refers to the deliberate attack on a candidate’s strengths, by insisting the facts are the exact opposite of the truth.
They’re using it now for any (perceived) negative campaigning.
Imm 103
Seems to me that Holy Joe has been a lot more strident and incendiary toward Ned than the blogs have been of Hoe.
A lot more.
Urban Pirate
You are exactly right about Marshall Witless. Concern troll says it all. The fact that he now works for the DLC does not neccessarily speak all that well for him, but it surely speaks ill of the DLC. Not that one can’t rethink things and genuinely change, but I doubt Witless is any different in his world view now than when he was shilling for Ralph Reed and McCain. He just found a venue where he can do even more damage to progressive views – from the so-called “inside.”
He calls himself the Bull Moose, a clear reference to T.R. Wasn’t T.R. a Republican who broke with his party? Of course the obvious is that he is Bull-something-else.
that’s initiation
Stoopid spelchek
[the magic spelling goddess fixed it in the original comment…]
The public opinion experts at the respected Quinnipac polling organization really screwed up. In attempting to take a scientific sample of Democrats in Connecticut who intend to vote in the primary, somehow 51 percent of the people they reached turned out to be angry, hateful, far-left extremist bloggers, while only 47 percent were regular, normal Democrats, you know, the kind who are entitled to have opinions.
Is that what the critics like Kondrake and Wittman would have us believe?
neurophius -
Exactly. You know these polls can be wrong which is why there is a margin of error. The error here was that they talked to voters. A poll of pundits would be so much more satisfactory and accurate. Also they are conducted by telephone. It is clear that rabid lambs have managed to infiltrate the phone system.
Morris
A pundit poll sounds like a great idea. Heck, why don’t we just let the pundits go ahead and decide the elections for us? After all, they are so much wiser than we are.
Mary LOL
oh man, thanks for that laugh.
AIPAC’s aim is to keep a foot in both major parties to prevent a potential alternative to “terrorist” politics. Lieberman is its boot in the Democratic Party.
Clinton wants to preserve this arrangement, lest there be an open war between the neocons of the AIPAC/DLC (Al From, Whitman, the media) and the Democratic Party, since this would be a major impediment to Hillary in 2008.
Somewhat the same dynamic occured with Dean, of course. The move to funding independence is sticking in neocon craw, big time. Should Lieberman lose, the Democratic Party will live in interesting times, indeed.
“Many writers saw a sexist aspect to Bush’s back rub. ‘’This isn’t a Sigma Chi kegger, it’s the G-8 Summit,’’ wrote blogger Christy Hardin Smith on Firedoglake.com.
(Bush was actually in Delta Kappa Epsilon. Another Web 2.0 truism: Blogs are not always friendly with the facts.) “
What a second–you were referencing Animal House and they thought you were not “fact-friendly!” Okay, someone needs to get this on KO’s “Worst Person in the World”.
Urban Pirate @140——-Yes, take back the Grand Old Party too.
Magic spelling goddess: beware of smartassess riffing on the harassment theme…
Hee Hee…
Oops, that’s smartasses…too funny *g*
. . . and your little dog, too @ 194 – You’re absolutely right about the swiftboating. It’s a pathetic attempt.
I kinda like to think we’re not swift boating Joe so much as rowboating him. No big engines, just people power.
Also, this from James Wolcott’s column.
“Perhaps it was nothing more than Bush’s usual privileged-snot appropriation at play. A symptom of the same syndrome that has him hanging nicknames on people, and kissing bald men on the head.”
Privileged snot may resonate more with non college, or state college graduates, who just aren’t that familiar with fraternities. How about privileged snot frat boys?
The angst of the beltway crowd has much to do with the upcoming presidential primary season. If Lieberman gets knocked out, the stock of all Washington insider candidates takes a proportionate hit.
TSF at 121 there have been no calls for Leavitt’s resignation over his seemingly legal but not terribly generous tax-sheltered family charity
A. egregious.
B. I don’t have to tell you what the right wingers would do if it was a Democrat. Ha.
C. This kind of behavior always hurts real charities, more paperwork, more oversight of honest people.
I spend a WEEK every year filling out forms for the federal government to prove that, yes again this year, we are still a charity saving the lives of hundreds of children.
But a cabinet member can get away with THIS?
/rant…but still smokin’* **
*unlike CTBob. Go you.
**out the ears. Not tobacco.
Attention: N.H.
Curious Jim at 136: I wonder what spectre lurks in Specter’s closet.
Try being part of the coverup for the Kennedy assassination. Google “magic bullet”
*ilson at 138
You have no idea. “…up to his neck…”, isn’t the half of it.
Liberals, MoveOn, George Soros, Springsteen, and Eminem need to abandon the Democratic Party to the Lieberman’s and Kerry’s. The Party’s leadership are cloth coat Republicans. The Democratic Party needs to go the way of the Whigs so that a true Leftist party can emerge and represent the best interests of the people.