
guest post by Taylor Marsh
The answer is Republicans. Joe should thank his blue crossed stars, because don’t look now, but something big is happening and it’s not good. Hey, but at least he still has his GOP donors, including defense contractors. And, you know, I’m all for spending good money on important weapons systems, but especially money on our troops, their equipment and veterans benefits when they come home, but I and most others in the reality based community draw the line long before we get to Star Wars. I know Joe’s a member of the Senate’s Armed Forces Committee, but come on. Now, let’s look back.
As the junior Senator from Connecticut he has been one of the most successful purveyors of military pork in the Congress. "Lieberman went to bat for the troubled F-22 combat aircraft – which at a cost of $200 million per copy is the most expensive fighter plane ever built – largely because the engines for the plane are built by a Connecticut-based contractor, the Pratt and Whitney unit of United Technologies," notes Hartung. "He was also one of the first Senate Democrats to join Thad Cochran and Trent Lott in supporting a costly and unworkable National Missile Defense scheme."
Lieberman’s efforts on behalf of the weapons industry have not gone unrewarded. According to Federal Election Committee data processed by the Center for Responsive Politics, Lieberman has received over $96,000 in contributions from defense companies and their employees in the current election cycle. His second largest contributor overall — with $33,000 in total contributions — has been Connecticut-based arms maker United Technologies.
When he first came to the Senate, Lieberman received the support of Peace PAC, the political action committee of the pro-arms control Council for a Livable World. In his first year in office, Lieberman scored a 100% arms control voting record by CLW’s assessment, but by the mid-1990s his rating had plunged to less than 25%, in large part due to his staunch support for the 1991 Persian Gulf conflict, his uncritical support for costly Cold War weapons systems, and his enthusiastic embrace of Republican-inspired missile defense schemes.
"Schemes," I especially like that description, because that’s exactly what it is. Sure, they finally had one success recently, but Joe was behind it when it was still the Republicans’ biggest fantasy. It’s also the first thing the wingnuts started cackling about recently when North Korea lit off their limp firecracker. Honest to God, these guys are just a bunch of scaredy cats.
However, what Matt Stoller lays down today cuts even closer to the bone for Joe. His assessment is simple. The Lieberman camp could be in meltdown mode.
I don’t know exactly what’s going on, but I’m beginning to wonder if the Lieberman campaign is in full collapse. The fiasco today, where it took hours for the campaign to say that he would not run as a Republican even as he’s competing in a Democratic primary, suggests as much. If a campaign staff is so out of the loop on such a critical matter as whether he will run as a Republican, it means that the campaign is floundering badly. First of all, moves like this utterly destroy political goodwill among influentials who turn people out in primaries. If I were a local town committee member or a union official and I had endorsed Lieberman, I would NEVER stick my neck out to help this campaign. Imagine, you offer to crowd-build or do GOTV, and then all of a sudden the candidate implies, for six or seven hours or so, that he might run as a Republican, and you have to explain this to the ardent Democrats you just asked for help who are already skeptical of this man’s loyalties. That is incredibly damaging to the credibility of local officials, and a very strong incentive to sit on one’s hands. My guess is that moves like this are causing a lot of Lieberman’s supporters to become "supporters" in air quotes. …
As Stoller reminds us all, Joe said he’d "die a Democrat." For all we know he was talking politically. Because his campaign sure shows all the signs of mortality. Here’s more, but read the whole piece.
If Lieberman is operating with an extreme top-down and paranoid leadership structure where he is calling the shots, it means that he has forgotten how to be a candidate, and that he is not letting his staff actually manage a campaign. Lieberman now has no choice but to rely on massive TV advertising, mail, robocalls, professional phone-banking, and paid canvassers. Those are the only tools controlled by spreadsheets, and the only tools that allow someone like Lieberman a perception of total control over his future. They are also the political tools with which he and his consultants feel most comfortable.
I wonder whether the ability to use these tools and flood the airwaves and mailboxes with propaganda will work in a low turnout primary where a strongly liberal wind is blowing against him. If they work, it says something about how powerful broadcast top-down forces still are, and how money still does trump all. If they don’t, it shows that there really is a new political age dawning. …
Sure, it’s hard to believe Joe Lieberman would ever run as an out and out Republican. But you’ve got to wonder why it took seven hours to answer the will you run as a Republican question. Sounds like a lousy chain of command to me, but I don’t run campaigns. Or, just maybe… What else could it be?
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NED!
Go Ned GO!!!
The Quinnipiac Poll is out! Lamont LEADS in primary 51 to 47!!!
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11362.xml?ReleaseID=940
as I understand the CT election laws, Joe cannot run on the GOP line. I’m sure his lawyers already thoroughly explored that possibility. Joe could have made political points early on by promising not to do what he could not legally do: run as a Republican. But they blew that cheap opportunity!
Heh. Political death.
Nice, Taylor.
which brings to mind another image of Joe Lieberman : Dead Man Walking …
The Lieberman camp could be in meltdown mode.
Cherjoebyl.
Hi, Taylor! Freshly EPU’d:
Wow, I finally caught up to the Jane-Ned video — is that BEAUTIFUL or what? And the Quinnipiac news, and the NYT story – good lord!
Has Big Dog’s vaunted political genius suddenly deserted him? Look down, Bill: JoHo just turned into The Tarbaby right there in your hands!
Lieberque.
-GSD
*ilson 4
Whether Lieberman can run on GOP, as I understand it, is if the GOP candidate drops out, they could draft Lieberman to the spot. Thinking behind the machinations with the current GOP gov (running for re-election) and state party chair telling Schlesinger to get out of the race.
Either that, or just not run a GOP candidate, and throw their support all behind the Connecticut for Lieberman candidate.
Joe must hold the poltical record for the biggest point plunge in the shortest time in political history.
Poor Joe. WWBMN?
Who Will Bush Molest Now?
-GSD
The poll is great news. Unfortunately Clinton (Bill) is heading their soon to campaign for Lieberman.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5198290.stm
Lieberachees meltdown
We need a darkblack image for that
Morning all-
larry
Bring on another televised debate. Let’s see how Karl’s advice helps Joe in round two.
OT
WaPo via rawstory: Bush Ain’t Gonna Be Changing Those Commissions
http://tinyurl.com/nu592
Top White House officials took a harder line yesterday on a new system to try terrorism suspects, telling Republican senators that President Bush will soon formally propose a tribunal structure with only minor changes from the military commissions that were ruled unconstitutional last month
This, despite the fact that:
The Senate Armed Services Committee concluded three days of hearings with testimony from the military’s most senior lawyers, or judge advocates general, who said the existing rules for courts-martial should be the starting point for new legislation.
Here’s a surprise:
“This attachment to the UCMJ doesn’t strike me as essential to justice,” said Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.)
How TZ does it get – Senators and DOJ arguing for no rules; Military begging for rules.
Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama strikes me as the sort of person who would argue that lynchings are necessary for law and order …
Sessions’ IQ is right down there with Chimpy’s.
Just on the local NBC — Clinton — BILL, that is — is supposed to be here on Monday for a campaign event in Waterbury (the corruption capitol of Connecticut).
Does this impact Hillary, who is now right in the middle?
I wonder if Bill will make his train Monday AM.
Joe needs to be forced to declare his alligence-Declare that he will respect the will of the voters of his party, respect the democratic process or get out now. And any of his supporters need to do the same.
the Big Dog is still quite popular with Democrats even when he’s wrong — the NedFolk will be there on Monday too, I’m sure !
well, just goes to show how stoopid attorney generals stick together– sessions and gonzales– both integral to bushco’s continued crime spree.
since bill has been hanging round poppy so much, he probably won’t mind much campaigning for Benedict Joe– he’s used to the stench.
Hi Taylor!
1. Morning schedule issues will keep me from seeing it, but I can just imagine Bush’s speech to NAACP….”hello, I like black people”? “see, I like blacks, I got one named Condi”? The mind boggles.
2. Clinton goes to Ct.: get out the kiss float. Now. And, any progressives now left who’ll support Hillary?
Ghostman
Bubba’s a forgiving person, that’s for sure…considering it was Lieberman who was screaming the loudest for his censure and it was Lieberman who Gore picked as the Anti-Clinton to run with in 2000…guess being an insider and a member of the club is more important than what you actually believe in…
Wait – let me get this right – Bill Clinton will be in CT on Monday to campaign for Joe Lieberman?
WTF?
This makes no sense.
Hilary was among the first to say she would support the democratic nominee, creating anti-Joe momentum among leading democrats.
And Joe was the person who went out and broke ranks as a democrat and slammed Bill regarding Monicagate.
And Joe now is willing to run as an independent against his own party in the general election.
So, if true, what in the name of all things HoJo is Bill Clinton thinking?
He needs to get a wake-up call promptly.
Hopefully he can be convinced to pull a Biden.
Ot — y’all seen this yet?
the NedFolk could distribute “The Kiss” buttons at the Big Dog appearance — people that love Bill Clinton despise George Bush. That’ll transfer off to Cut’n Run Joe …
Here’ the link from Joe2006 about the Clinton visit — but notice there are no specifics. Guess it will be another invitation-only — the approach perfected by Rove?
What does BILL get out of this?
kirby – no link..
remember, most of these visits by bigname out-of-state politicians were arranged months ago before Cut’n Run Joe became so toxic and such an obvious loser …
kirby & wxyz
What does bill get? Maybe he’s missing Monica and HoJo offered to take her place.
(slaps hand, naughty thoughts!)
OT and whoopsies– there goes the “coalition”!
“Israel’s envoy to Spain said on Thursday the two countries’ relations had been damaged after the Spanish prime minister accused Israel of using “abusive force” during an event at which he also wore a Palestinian scarf.”
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/740965.html
What is a tad worrisome are the numbers that show Lieberman winning in a three-way race, by a comfortable margin. I’m trying to look at this from a “trending” point of view, and hoping that the three-way projections are just wrong.
Schlesinger is apparently not pro-war, and is considered – as I understand it – a moderate to liberal Republican. That would mean that Lieberman, surprisingly, might be the most conservative candidate in a three-way race, and some seem to think that helps Lieberman win with the moderate to conservative groups in both parties.
Any thought that GOP might ask Schlesinger to drop out and put Joe in as a Republican in his place? Can that be done? Seems like that could be one explanation for why it took Joe so long to answer whether he would consider running as a Republican.
As for any Lieberman “pledges” that may be made in the coming days, someone should tell Joe that if Connecticut voters need furniture polish, they will go to the store; for leadership and representation of their views, CT voters will be shopping for a better brand of Senator in the voting booth, when they vote for Ned Lamont.
http://www.joe2006.com/index.p…..;Itemid=28
There’s the link — sorry.
Don’t think forgiveness has anything to do with BILL’s visit — but I can’t agree with wxyz more — WTF? What IS the strategy here?
Does this allow Hillary to back Joe through her surrogate, while keeping her options open with the party by saying she will back the nominee? This is clearly a well thought-out strategic move — that now gives Hillary a ton of wiggle room, depending which way the wind blows.
Your thoughts?
The Big Dog in CT http://www.joe2006.com/index.p…..;Itemid=28
I’m sorry if this has already been posted:
No Shame, No Sense and a $296 Billion Bill
By Robert J. Samuelson
Thursday, July 20, 2006; Page A23
Joenertia as declared his intention to caucus with Democrats, and he has declared that he won’t run as a Republican. For the general, Ned will need to make good strategic use of these quotes with Republican voters who are thinking of voting with Joenertia:
W/ John King on Cnn
To Greg Sargent:
If I read the Q Poll correctly, roughly 75% of Republicans would vote for Jo in a 3-way race. I think these pledges, strategically publicized, might take a few whacks out of that.
Numerically as things stand now, Ned will need over 80% of Democratic votes in a general election, and he’ll need about 50% among independents. That’s going to be tough. Not impossible, but tough.
Every Republican point we can take out of Joenertia’s camp makes it one point easier for Ned in a general. We should be thinking now about how to make Joe unacceptable to Republicans.
Anne @33 –
The feeling here is that the three-way support for Lieberman is based on name recognition, and that the current primary campaign will leave such a bad taste is all voters’ mouths WRT Lieberman that the actual will be much closer — look at what’s happened in the shift in the primary numbers.
I’m starting to think that these Bill v. Hill contrasting positions are calculated to assure voters that she is not he. This does not help with the progressive voters, but I don’t think Hillary is courting them as much as she is working on the moderate to conservatives.
With any luck, she will overthink and overstrategize this until it kills any notion of her being a viable nominee.
Is that a sorry-ass website or what, *ilson?
“What’s in it for BILL?” is indeed the question. And I can’t for the life of me figure out what that could be. Joe’s got nothing B&H need now or later — NAWTHINK.
Good ‘ole Bill, friend of the Bushies, should be reminded of what Joe thinks of him. Bill needs to be marginalized. And all Lamont dems should be picketing outside. Ask Bill if he is switching to the Lieberman for CT party too.
Because ‘real’ dems vote for dems. Bill just likes all that rich money for his library too much to go against the corporate tide. And Joe is one of the creatures that swims in the corporate red tide.
All I can say is that Bill needs a serious wake-up call.
He just doesn’t seem to get it.
The question of the hour is how can we get through to Bill?
We need to figure out why he is doing this and then we need to go on the offensive.
One thing I know for certain –
Jane and the kiss float will be in town for Clinton’s visit on Monday, if he makes his train.
The problem for Joe with this announcement is that it brings him out of stealth mode and forces him to actually announce WHERE he is going to be on Monday.
There will be Lamont supporters, there will be bloggers, there will be a kiss float, and there will be buttons.
But ideally, we could marshall an effort to convince Bill and Hillary that it would be best for Bill to simply stay home on Monday.
‘Morning, all,
Jeez, I go offline for a day and come back to some of the best set of photos in FDL’s history (and stories to match).
What am I gonna do while off in the wilderness camping, canoeing, and hiking? Major withdrawal pains. Missed injections of FDL.
Maybe I can cadge a wireless connect from time to time by detouring into neighborhoods along the road and tapping in from the street from some homeowners who have failed to set up security on their home wireless. Is that legal?
(As a matter of fact, I am already on the road, visiting a relative, and that’s exactly how I am online now. Sh-h-h-h-h-h.)
Anyway, great stuff in the last 24 hours, Taylor, TRex, Jane, Howie, and Christy! And great graphics from the General and others.
Remember the formula for victory: endless pressure, endlessly applied.
Hillary merely said she will support the winner of the Democratic Primary but that she currently supports Cut’n Run Joe, just like her hubby does. No contradiction in that family.
Kirby 38–I find it hard to believe that Republicans who are currently planning to vote for Lieberman will be left with a bad taste in their mouth over the Democratic primary. But I’m not a Republican so I could be wrong about that.
Also re the recent poll, many commenters on the Kos diary about this poll are also saying that Lieberman is winning a 3-way race bigtime. Some discussion of how a 3-way race would happen. After the primary, Lamont will still have a fly ball in the air and will have to round the rest of the bases with style and speed.
this visit by Bill Clinton was set up weeks ago before the Lamont kerfuffle disturbed Cut’n Run Joe — it’s hard for Bill to back away now (unless he misses an erratic train)
Joe must hold the poltical record for the biggest point plunge in the shortest time in political history.
Oh, I don’t know. Think January, 2004.
Anyway, Angela Merkel didn’t really say that, did she, it’s just a metaphor, right?
SharonW at 3
That is fantastic news!
Folks, we need to focus our attention on the voting machines. We need a paper trail on these electronic machines, other wise it’s just going to be another fraudulent election. WAKE UP EVERYBODY !!!!
“Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama strikes me as the sort of person who would argue that lynchings are necessary for law and order.”
I agree, but I bet he would only apply them to
non-whitesnon-European-Americans.Thanks as always for a great post Taylor Marsh.
Christy linked to your great catch yesterday about the very serious problems between the Kurds and Turkey.
Lieberman losing ground in Senate race
HAMDEN, Conn. – Sen. Joe Lieberman, under fire from activists in his own party, has lost ground to his challenger and is narrowly trailing him for the first time in their race for the Democratic nomination, a new poll released Thursday shows.
Businessman Ned Lamont had support from 51 percent and Lieberman from 47 percent of likely Democratic voters in the latest Quinnipiac University poll — a slight Lamont lead given the survey’s sampling error margin of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..cut_senate
FIRST THINGS FIRST.
Ned has to win the primary.
We worry about the general election after Ned has
kicked Joe’s asswon the primary.It’s not over until it’s over.
Have Cliches, Will Travel.
Steve Clark — thank you for your wisdom! now, if you stick around for a while and maybe actually read this blog, you will discover your favorite topic is not exactly unknown here. We didn’t just fall off the falafel truck !
Professor Foland @37
Every Republican point we can take out of Joenertia’s camp makes it one point easier for Ned in a general. We should be thinking now about how to make Joe unacceptable to Republicans.
1. Remind Repubs that Joe promised to caucus with the Democrats.
2. Remind Repubs that Joe did not vote with Bush to save the snowflake babies.
3. Remind Repubs that Joe is endorsed by several pro-choice groups.
4. Remind Repubs that BILL CLINTON supports him.
Each point targets a slightly different demographic within the general gooper population.
Don’t wait too long !!
chimpy says he comes from a family committed to civil rights (huh?????) then he invokes God and religion with his lame-o fake texan preacher drawl.
applause sounds sorta tepid ;)
Don’t we just love folks who come in blaring, “WAKE UP EVERYBODY,” *ilson? I know I do.
OT but you can always count on Potomac Pravda. Somehow to the stenographers over there the individual crimes of two Dems is equal to the institutional corruption of the rethugs: http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01714.html
Wankers
This Democrat does not love the big dog, even though I voted for him twice. I certainly DON’t love the big dogette. I do however LOATH the little pupette, Bush.
Reminding CT repubs of stuff is tricky.
We’re not talking IN or MS repubs. They are more likely Chaffee types who tend to be more moderate to liberal on social issues and more “conservative” when it comes to taxes, etc.
Sure there are probably some wingers out there, but for the most part I don’t think so. This will be an interesting challenge to say the least.
ilson, I read the blog. I’m here all the time. You’ve seen my name before. Pay attention. Do you READ the names of the people who comment ? Don’t insult me.
Lamont Takes Lead in Poll? – Wow !
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11362.xml?ReleaseID=940
Sorry, if I’m “TOO LOUD”, I’m a drummer, that’s what I do.
;-}, Steve C. But just remember that most of us still have normal hearing and don’t need hollering-at, thass all.
What is a tad worrisome are the numbers that show Lieberman winning in a three-way race, by a comfortable margin.
That worries me too, but look at Ned’s name recognition – about half the people don’t have enough info to form an impression. If Ned wins the primary, which he looks poised to do, then that buys him another 3 months for voters to get to know him, and for Joe to remind them what a total bastard he is.
What worries me is Joe’s strong support among Republicans, which probably won’t go away.
Steve Clark – Drummer’s aren’t too loud. they keep the beat. We love drummers. You, on the other hand, are quilty of bad manners, not being too loud. Do not walk into someone else’s place and demand they do what you want them to do. We do not love bad manners.
WOW– huge applause when he says that most African Americans mistrust his party!
Somewhat OT,
The reason the BushCo cabal was so nervous about N.Korea firing their long-distance rocket has to do with the fact that our “missile defense system” is a taxpayer boondoggle.
To get a better than 50% chance of a “hit”, over eight of our “missile defense” rockets must be fired for each incoming.
The failure would be right there for the world to see……
Aren’t drummers supposed to have rhythm?
Try going with the flow, dude… a little something on topic then a segue…manners and not yelling is good too.
Prof @45 –
The reason there will be a bitter taste in general elec voters from our primary is because Joe says he is a D to his core, and will caucus with the Ds — so why would the Rs vote for him?
Indys in particular here, don’t like pols who want to have it both ways — the famous “this goes beyond my party” crap. Trying to have it both ways pisses everybody off.
There’s a good discussion of this earlier on this thread.
In the spirit of Dru’s 70, may I re-commend to everybody the Broder column linked at 26 ^ ?
Try it, you’ll like it.
A moderate republican is liberal on social issues and strict on money issues – while Lieberman is neocon on social issues (or would like to be if he didn’t have to fake being a dem so much) and hedges his bets with the liberal economic ideas.
The republicans need to know that Joe is a fake ‘everything’. And Joe, why would you hang out with someone you think is such a bad guy, huh? And republicans, are you really going to vote for someone that Bill Clinton supports?
Que Hillman ad. All allegiance to Bill is GONE… Still can give a great speech, but one can’t live on speeches alone.
New thread from Jane.
Steve, a lot of us really respect *ilson. You don’t want to be insulting anyone here, especially him.
OT, since you read FDL so much, how come you don’t know *ilson has the authority to trex your comments? It’s fortunate for you that I don’t have that job, because I don’t have his patience.
OT If you’re so interested in the machines find a link to the problem with the Diebold Machines, a reliable one, not
FakeTruthout.I think Steve Clark reminds us that this is a battle that has to be fought on many fronts, and that it is important to keep all of these issues front and center. Had he “yelled” at us to wake up from the delusion that Ned can win, I could understand the wrist-slap, but I think Steve’s definitely blue and definitely on the same side as the rest of us. For what it’s worth, there is enough off-topic commenting in these posts on a daily basis to fill a battleship and I don’t see anyone getting slapped around for doing it. Sometimes it’s hard to distinguish our friends from our foes, but a short comment about the importance of voting verifiability – even with the raised decibel level at the end – shouldn’t have triggered such a knee-jerk slap-down. I’m just sayin’…
Hillary needs HoJo to win so that the anti-war wing of the party is slowed down because she is not part of our faction. Remember Lanny Davis’s attack was surely given the green light by B&H.
If HoJo loses Hiilary chances for 08 are diminished.
Sorry, if I’m “TOO LOUD”, I’m a drummer, that’s what I do.
I thought you were a guitarist? I loved your work on Pyromania…
Just got back from reading the Broder article, lotus; thanks. Barney Frank is a good man; you can read the speech in it’s entirety here:
http://www.house.gov/frank/bushpresjuly06.html
Steve Clark – Voting Integrity is the perfect issue for the States Roots Project – Write a diary for the site re best practices, etc, so that each community can investigate their district’s voting device. Let’s compile information as to which machines are preferable so that if we need to have a LTE campaign, we can advocate FOR something instead of just calling doom.
The Boy 24
Maybe Clinton is forgiving, as you say, but I’ll just bet that
1) He knows whatever happens, Dems aren’t going to hate him, and
2) Could he possibly take some pleasure in having the self-righteous HoJo come begging to him for help? How utterly humiliating for Lieberman, after what he did to Clinton in the Lewinski thing.
Also, it doesn’t harm Clinton to campaign for an incumbent Dem. That’s not exactly being a communist, however wrong-headed I may think it is.
And, it makes HoJo look even more like the political opportunist hs is to say those ghastly things about Clinton and then use him for political survival when he needs him.
This latter just makes the contrast with fresh-faced and earnest Ned!
The FEC records reveal that similar but smaller “bundles” of campaign cash were delivered to Lieberman, a member of Senate’s Armed Forces Committee, by groups of contributors associated with defense contractors, including General Dynamics Corp. and its Groton-based subsidiary, Electric Boat, and by Northrop Grumman, whose Norden Systems division is based in Groton. They show that 41 individuals who listed General Dynamics or Electric Boat as their employer gave the senator a total of $13,050, while 11 employed by Northrop Grumman gave a total of $3,500.
Man! It must be hard to be a Repub like Lieberman! Not quite Duke Cunningham, but getting there.
If he were a real Democrat, would they even ask this question?
Thanks Anne.
Regarding taking 7 hours to answer the question about running as a Republican, I think Joe was just channelling Jack Benny: “I’m thinking, I’m thinking!” ;)
That Clinton would support him so vigorously makes me think that he was originally a part of the “big plan” to elect Hillary. Hard to change horses mid stream. I wonder if there is a “plan b?”
Mr. Clinton, if you could design any course of action that would seriously damage how history looks at you, a statesman or a pick-nose politician, it is exactly the course you are embarking upon. Keep it up, pretty soon I’ll be looking down rather than up to you.
Little Dog: I think you are on to something here. The old double negative trick. And that could make Ned look good. Regardless of what you think of Big Dog, he thinks faster than most other humans.