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		<title>By: Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/18/the-silent-party/#comment-196227</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;News resources for what’s happening in Lebanon. There is a web site with messages directly from Lebanese people to the west called &lt;b&gt;From Israel To Lebanon&lt;/b&gt; which contains graphic pictures missing in western news coverage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This original URL seems dead or down right now:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/&quot;&gt;http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, this link is still live, but slow, and takes you to the same page as the link above:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/&quot;&gt;http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And just in case, there’s a saved copy here:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://cryptome.org/lebanon-ban.htm&quot;&gt;http://cryptome.org/lebanon-ban.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Near real-time updates directly from Lebanon can be read at the forum here:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://lfpm.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6&quot;&gt;http://lfpm.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News resources for what’s happening in Lebanon. There is a web site with messages directly from Lebanese people to the west called <b>From Israel To Lebanon</b> which contains graphic pictures missing in western news coverage.</p>
<p>This original URL seems dead or down right now:<br />
<a href="http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/">http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/</a></p>
<p>However, this link is still live, but slow, and takes you to the same page as the link above:<br />
<a href="http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/">http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/</a></p>
<p>And just in case, there’s a saved copy here:<br />
<a href="http://cryptome.org/lebanon-ban.htm">http://cryptome.org/lebanon-ban.htm</a></p>
<p>Near real-time updates directly from Lebanon can be read at the forum here:<br />
<a href="http://lfpm.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6">http://lfpm.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=6</a></p>
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		<title>By: Konnie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/18/the-silent-party/#comment-196126</link>
		<dc:creator>Konnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CALL IT WHAT IT IS&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;DUBYA DUBYA III&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CALL IT WHAT IT IS</p>
<p>DUBYA DUBYA III</p>
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		<title>By: Sophia Teresa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/18/the-silent-party/#comment-195752</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophia Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Israel’s bombing everything in site - and besides the resident Lebanese there are 25,000 Americans there, as well over 5,000 Britons.  And what do are respective ‘leaders’ do about/to the ‘attackers’?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We can all see what they do — SFA.  That’s what they think of we, the people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We, the people should all be out in the streets — for starters.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel’s bombing everything in site &#8211; and besides the resident Lebanese there are 25,000 Americans there, as well over 5,000 Britons.  And what do are respective ‘leaders’ do about/to the ‘attackers’?</p>
<p>We can all see what they do — SFA.  That’s what they think of we, the people.</p>
<p>We, the people should all be out in the streets — for starters.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/18/the-silent-party/#comment-195579</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What constitutes “aiding and abetting” in common law?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1823817,00.html&quot;&gt;grants&lt;/a&gt; Israel one more week &lt;i&gt;“to inflict maximum damage on Hizbullah.”&lt;/i&gt; Leveling the country would ensure maximum damage on Hizbullah…and all the Lebanese caught in between. Where have I heard this before…? Oh, yes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Television interview, “60 Minutes”, May 12, 1996:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lesley Stahl, speaking of US sanctions against Iraq:&lt;br /&gt;
“We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And — and you know, is the price worth it?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Madeleine Albright: “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Someone please fix Madeleine up with &lt;a href=&quot;http://whateveritisimagainstit.blogspot.com/2006/07/moral-equivalence.html&quot;&gt;Bolton&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What constitutes “aiding and abetting” in common law?</p>
<p>Bush <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1823817,00.html">grants</a> Israel one more week <i>“to inflict maximum damage on Hizbullah.”</i> Leveling the country would ensure maximum damage on Hizbullah…and all the Lebanese caught in between. Where have I heard this before…? Oh, yes:</p>
<p><i>Television interview, “60 Minutes”, May 12, 1996:</i></p>
<p>Lesley Stahl, speaking of US sanctions against Iraq:<br />
“We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And — and you know, is the price worth it?”</p>
<p>Madeleine Albright: “I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it.”</p>
<p>Someone please fix Madeleine up with <a href="http://whateveritisimagainstit.blogspot.com/2006/07/moral-equivalence.html">Bolton</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Fifi</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/18/the-silent-party/#comment-195564</link>
		<dc:creator>Fifi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;33 : Koheleth&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I have one problem though — Hezbullah is Shia and Hamas is Sunni I believe. Doesn’t their coordianation agaginst Israel speak of  cooperation between the two groups and work against the Sunn-Shia reallignment you propose?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excellent question and a good answer would be very complex. So I’m gonna use a very broad brush and sorry for the gross simplification.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But basically, you need to know that Hamas is not monolithic. There’s a competition for power between the local Hamas and the exiles, in particular those in Syria.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The locals are on the ground and tend to be the most pragmatic of the bunch. They are engaged in the political process, run the social welfare, clinics, schools,TV station, etc. It is them who won the last election. The money is mostly coming from the Gulf. The top leader of Hamas was the very local and late Sheikh Yassin, until he was killed by the IDF in early 2004.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The exiles have a more remote and ideological bent. Well, they don’t do the fighting and they rarely do the dying so realities on the ground are not so important. Google for Khaled Meshaal, the current Hamas leader. &lt;b&gt;He has not lived in Palestine since he was a kid, in the 60s…&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And a lot of the money is coming from … Iran. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the middle, you have the military branch of Hamas, local (obviously) but actually fairly distinct from the local political leadership and mostly  influenced by Meshaal. So guess who influences Hamas’ military activities against Israel ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does this cast a light on your question ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;117 : Billmon, please ! Hamas is not Salafi. It’s part of Al Ikhwan, the Muslim Brotherhood. Those two movements are harsh competitors, if not outright ennemies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>33 : Koheleth</p>
<p><i>I have one problem though — Hezbullah is Shia and Hamas is Sunni I believe. Doesn’t their coordianation agaginst Israel speak of  cooperation between the two groups and work against the Sunn-Shia reallignment you propose?</i></p>
<p>Excellent question and a good answer would be very complex. So I’m gonna use a very broad brush and sorry for the gross simplification.</p>
<p>But basically, you need to know that Hamas is not monolithic. There’s a competition for power between the local Hamas and the exiles, in particular those in Syria.</p>
<p>The locals are on the ground and tend to be the most pragmatic of the bunch. They are engaged in the political process, run the social welfare, clinics, schools,TV station, etc. It is them who won the last election. The money is mostly coming from the Gulf. The top leader of Hamas was the very local and late Sheikh Yassin, until he was killed by the IDF in early 2004.</p>
<p>The exiles have a more remote and ideological bent. Well, they don’t do the fighting and they rarely do the dying so realities on the ground are not so important. Google for Khaled Meshaal, the current Hamas leader. <b>He has not lived in Palestine since he was a kid, in the 60s…</b></p>
<p>And a lot of the money is coming from … Iran. </p>
<p>In the middle, you have the military branch of Hamas, local (obviously) but actually fairly distinct from the local political leadership and mostly  influenced by Meshaal. So guess who influences Hamas’ military activities against Israel ?</p>
<p>Does this cast a light on your question ?</p>
<p>117 : Billmon, please ! Hamas is not Salafi. It’s part of Al Ikhwan, the Muslim Brotherhood. Those two movements are harsh competitors, if not outright ennemies.</p>
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		<title>By: FurGaia</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/18/the-silent-party/#comment-195504</link>
		<dc:creator>FurGaia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I did a blog on that topic a while ago &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.progressivebloggers.ca/blog/diary.php?cmd=view&amp;id=910&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. I would guess that some of the things I wrote are a bit over the top. On the other hand, other things may be valid. You judge for yourself. I have updated some of the info. There are still a few things to polish but you get the gist of it as it is.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a blog on that topic a while ago <a href="http://www.progressivebloggers.ca/blog/diary.php?cmd=view&amp;id=910">here</a>. I would guess that some of the things I wrote are a bit over the top. On the other hand, other things may be valid. You judge for yourself. I have updated some of the info. There are still a few things to polish but you get the gist of it as it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/18/the-silent-party/#comment-195338</link>
		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just wanted to tell Billmon thanks for writing.&lt;br /&gt;
I guess I could have made it through this administration this far without some of your posts, but it’s much nicer to have them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to tell Billmon thanks for writing.<br />
I guess I could have made it through this administration this far without some of your posts, but it’s much nicer to have them.</p>
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		<title>By: zeppo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/18/the-silent-party/#comment-195229</link>
		<dc:creator>zeppo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t know if this thread is still active or not.  I was just going to note that ABC news talked about the evacuations, but NEVER mentioned the fact that the evacuees were being charged. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That pernicious liberal media strikes again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t know if this thread is still active or not.  I was just going to note that ABC news talked about the evacuations, but NEVER mentioned the fact that the evacuees were being charged. </p>
<p>That pernicious liberal media strikes again.</p>
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		<title>By: citizen k</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/18/the-silent-party/#comment-195161</link>
		<dc:creator>citizen k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mary #98:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;i&gt;One thing I don’t understand (and they are many) is why the US does not make the safety of its own citizens and nationals its primary concern in this conflict.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why break a perfect record? The US left its own citizens to drown in New Orleans and sent them to get IED’d in Iraq. The safety and welfare of US citizens is not a priority.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary #98:<br />
<i>One thing I don’t understand (and they are many) is why the US does not make the safety of its own citizens and nationals its primary concern in this conflict.</i></p>
<p>Why break a perfect record? The US left its own citizens to drown in New Orleans and sent them to get IED’d in Iraq. The safety and welfare of US citizens is not a priority.</p>
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		<title>By: bliekker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/18/the-silent-party/#comment-195118</link>
		<dc:creator>bliekker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just want to thank Billmon for all the great posts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to thank Billmon for all the great posts.</p>
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