Atrios today, in the LA Times:
Much of the interest in this race is not because of Lamont but rather his perceived base of support from bloggers, including me. One prominent pundit claimed that Lamont’s online backers were practitioners of "blogofascism"; another called the campaign an "inquisition." Online political discourse can indeed be caustic and combative, like talk radio. But too many in the Lieberman wing of the party have elevated civility and the illusion of bipartisan comity over challenging Republicans’ failed policies. In the process, they have echoed GOP jargon in dismissing critics as "angry" and "hate-filled."
Politics is a contact sport. Those who would paper it over with a veneer of false propriety are pretending it’s something that it is not. More than that, loud and raucous debate is a healthy part of our democracy.
Lieberman’s problem isn’t bloggers, it’s the voters of Connecticut, who seem to be increasingly tired of his support for some very uncivil policies, including federal intervention into the Terri Schiavo case, the administration’s operations at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay and, yes, that disastrous invasion of Iraq.
The lazy narrative that lazy minds like Lanny Davis (not to mention Holy Joe himself) keep feeding into is that the primary challenge to Lieberman (yes, that is what it is, you’d think it was the Spanish Fucking Inquisition) is blogger-based. Bloggers play no small part in raising this boil to the media surface, but local political activist Myrna Watanabe wrote a letter in 2005 that aptly illustrates Atrios’ point with regard to the local landscape:
One town committee chair told me that Lieberman’s people asked him to fill a room with people for a visit by Lieberman to take place within a few hours of the request. The town chair said something very rude to Lieberman’s staffer, and asked that that message be given directly to the senator. So Lieberman appeared with only one elected Democratic official at his side. (It was in my district. They didn’t call me and ask me to bring out the troops—as I tried to do for Dodd–but they know better than to send me anything but blank emails.)
These negative feelings toward Lieberman have been growing for several years. The war in Iraq, of course, has been a major polarizing factor. During the buildup to the vote on the war, Lieberman was unreachable for discussion. The anti-war groups, including moveon.org, found it impossible to meet with him (not that Dodd was much more reachable, but Dodd’s office was, at least, accommodating and was willing to share his conflicted thoughts about the impending war vote with us).
By the time Lieberman’s people attempted to contact Democratic town committees for support for his run for president, his people were on the receiving end of quite a bit of hostility from the committees. I told his people outright to stay away from us: we weren’t interested. And I was not alone.
When rumors hit the streets that Lieberman was possibly up for a Bush cabinet position, many of us had had enough–and that predates the Rice, Gonzales, and Chertoff votes. I asked at our State Committee meeting if we could have a vote on the sense of the State Committee to tell Lieberman exactly how we felt about him taking a position with the Bushies. Our then state chair, George Jepsen, discouraged us from doing that, but another state committee member urged that we call Lieberman’s office to voice our displeasure, and Jepsen agreed.
Meanwhile, some people who are considering running for office–from town selectman on up to statewide office–are privately voicing concern about making a run with Lieberman at the top of the ticket. Although our voters tend not to vote straight party line (despite our endless statements that they undoubtedly will), there is a concern that voters will see anyone on the Democratic ticket as painted with the Lieberman brush. Now, with the Quinnipiac poll showing positive figures for Lieberman in the comfortable high 60s, one would ask why should that matter? Yet I can tell you that three years ago, when I was distributing flyers that had a local candidate posed with Lieberman (something we can’t do anymore because of campaign finance laws), people came up to me, pointed to Lieberman’s photo, and said, "If he’s with your candidate, I can’t vote for your person." If I were in Lieberman’s shoes, I wouldn’t get too comfy with the poll numbers because they do not detect the undercurrent of dislike and mistrust.
Those prophetic words were written in April 2005. Lieberman didn’t listen then, and he’s not listening now. I’ll take Atrios’ point one step further — not only does Joe have a Connecticut problem, he’s in denial that he has a problem at all. It’s all those Damn Bloggers, and of course the diabolical Ned Lamont, an evil Snidely Whiplash who will stop at nothing to tie Fair Joe to the railroad tracks in the path of an oncoming train.
Hillsman has some fun with Joe’s Connecticut problem in Ned’s new ad (above). Joe — and, presumably, Lanny Davis — won’t get the joke.
Related posts:
- Q-Poll: Lieberman’s Opposition to Public Option Not Popular in Connecticut
- Brave New Films, Connecticut, and Chris Murphy
- Republican Governor of Connecticut Says She’ll Veto Death Penalty Ban
- Lieberman’s Filibuster Threats Run Counter to 2006 Campaign Rhetoric
- Why Is Lieberman Scared of Big, Bad Rachel Maddow?





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Fitz?
Woohoo!
Um, did something go weird with the firedogscheduler?
hahaha me first!!
or third!
Jane’ll prolly pull this down when she see’s Jordans post.
I observe there are two brand new posts. Happy to read both.
If they can’t find Joe maybe the Conn. voters should put his picture on a gas carton.
JANE!!
Me fourth! or third! Is this like playing hookey? Are we gonna get in trouble?
JH, someone posted a great Republican concern troll cartoon by Tom Tomorrow earlier, in case you didn’t see it.
That is a killer campaign ad. Killer.
No one mourns the wicked
No one cries they won’t return
No one lays a lily on their graves
The good man scorns the wicked
Through their lives our children learn
What they miss when they misbehave…
Jane, I am worrying a bit about the Halliburton stock thing that Lieberman is now pushing — it is getting bad press from TPM Muckraker — http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001159.php
which really pisses me off a bit as Josh continues to remain “agnostic” on the Lieberman Lamont primary. Is this his groups way of putting a thumb on the scale?
Do you have any insight into how Ned plans to deal with this? My way would be pure attack:
Lieberman is complaining that I have some Halliburton stock? Joe is the reason Halliburton is running the war for us in the first place? He is complaining about a mutual fund? He should be worried about the cost of body bags.
Hey BobbyG,
If you happen to come along and read this
What happens in Vegas …
Joe will know it wasn’t the bloggers when he has to concede to Ned on August 8th, and if that isn’t enough to convince him, the truth will out on November 7th. And if he wants to continue to believe it’s all blog-driven, he’ll have to believe that CT is the blogger capital of the nation. And instead of going gracefully into the night, Lieberman will be literally laughed out of town.
Joe Lieberman doesn’t realize it, but he is about to become the poster boy for the “old” Democratic Party – because standing right alongside Joe are a passel of consultants and gurus who are still trying to win elections the way they always have – and losing. Little heads up there, Carville. Enjoy that retirement, Bob Shrum. Lanny Davis – yes, your phone is on and no, it isn’t ringing.
This is gettin’ good.
Joe must fight them over here, instead of over there.
I hope Joe doesn’t cheat. I don’t think he frowns on election fraud.
seemssoneat –
Joe would cheat but he would think it was just a correction of what the people really meant to do….
Luckily, he doesn’t have the organization in Conn. to pull any cheating off at all.
Joe’s unofficial campaign motto – “It’s all about Joe”
“Joe is me.”
Perhaps Lamont might want to consider giving any gains from the Halliburton stock to Democrats running for office who have articulated against the Bush war in Iraq and have been critical of Halliburton for stealing money from the American taxpayer. Or maybe a charity or something. Just a thought.
immanentize- “Luckily, he doesn’t have the organization in Conn. to pull any cheating off at all”
Yeah, since he rarely makes an appearance.
(we’re in the last Joes of the in-Sir-gency)
Couldn’t stay away, eh, punaise?
neuro – oops, meant to post as my alter-ego 3sivund
Everything at 16 I hope Joe doesn’t cheat. I don’t think he frowns on election fraud.
That’s the dirty little secret of voting machines, they benefit incumbents of both parties.
That is one reason we don’t hear more of an outcry about how unfair they are. Another being that normal people cannot imagine that vote manipulation could affect state and national election outcomes. This is where I was about 8 months ago.
Re the Halliburton thing: he needs to quietly sell it, and quietly let the issue go away. If pressed on it later, he can say it was a mistake, but not as big a mistake as pushing for–and still supporting!–a war based on lies and propaganda.
I didn’t mean to make punaise go *poof*…
Sell the stock and give it to a charity that helps wounded veterans get what they need from the government.
It was his alter ego, *jood*
This is a reverse EPU – from the Barab thread above to this, more relevant, thread below.
Perhaps the first recorded reverse EPU!
OT – More Lamont/Lieberman
Josh Marshall can sure be a bitch from time to time.
Right now on talking points memo, his top story is the Ned Lamont nonstory regarding the investment in Halliburton.
Only the most important news from Josh today.
I truly don’t get it.
Someone should let Bob Somerby know that he has some competition…
neurophius
I didn’t mean to make punaise go *poof*…
the *poof* is in the pudding. trust me, I need to go poof more often…
(although my version is *plouf*)
egregious-You could be right.
Regarding the Halliburton thinghie: this is not a weakness for Ned.
He made money on HAL stock? Holy Joe took in huge contributions from the defence industry, while voting for their appropriations and their wars.
No Contest, as long as Joenertia is called on it.
Here’s a piece from 2000, there’s got to be much more (this is the result of 5 seconds of intensive research on google):
http://www.worldpolicy.org/pro…..uedogs.htm
egregious, I dig the jood thing….
hey, jood
joody miller?
The Halliburton stock is a distraction, because if there’s any state where people understand mutual funds, it’s Connecticut. What they also understand — great ad! — is that Joe ain’t been around. There’s a certain not-in-anger-but-in-sorrow quality to the Nutmeggers in that ad. They’re real people, with real hurt about Joe’s abandoning them.
Oh, I hope Ned wins.
PS Kinda cool to read on firedoglake the words:
Bet it was fun to write, too, eh, Jane?
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Had Enough?
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Poor TRex.
At 45% of precincts at 9:50pm, Cagle 55.2% and Reed at 44.8%.
Gitcher updates here.
Let’s try to be joodicious in our commentary.
By the way, the “Where is Joe” ad is really great and is, once again, straight out of Wellstone’s original playbook. When does Ned get on a bus to cross the State?
punaise,
sounds better since you got it fixed.
Via NPR – Reed just conceded. Sorry, TRex :-(
i love a good clafouti.
Poor little trampy Jesus pimp lost.
Must eat. brb
If I see a picture of Joe making out with Karl, I’ll be suspicious of election fraud.
OFG – thanks. sent you an email a few days ago
Wonder what brb tastes like.
Even though we didn’t get through to too many folks when we phone banked on Sun. there were a few who said that Joe was never around. He got elected and that was the last they saw of him.
The ad should hit home for a lot of folks.
Psssst! 3sivund! It’s snoibajba! What’s happening?
Maybe God is just testing Ralph Reed, like in the Book of Job. Yeah, that’s it– he’s testing his faith.
Cuz I know Ralph’s a real Christian. I know his faith will pass the test, right Ralph?
Ralph?
h3y snoibajba, if you see 66do say hello
mini *plouf* – back for Late Nite
Anybody catch the Senate Joodiciary hearings today?
*jnold*
“I need to go poof more often”
That’s always our loss.
I am ww!
Ooh, ! for i, much better. Thanks. That would be..an eye for an eye?
Cute Ned ad. Liberman is toast.
These folks are not fooled.
It’s not Ned’s fault he was born into a family of war profiteers. His grandpa was one of the biggest of all times. Chairman of JP Morgan in 1944. In Ned’s case the apple fell far, far from the tree.
I think he should release the tax returns for the last five years, and let the chips fall where they may. If he doesn’t, Joey the Clown is going use it well to his advantage.
Ralph Reed concedes defeat!!!
Nice catch Mickey, thanks.
Proposed Lamont Ad:
“Joe Lieberman calls his stance on Iraq a Principaled one”. Yet before the war resolution was passed, he refused to meet with those who voiced opposition to the war and might have prevented this disaster, BEFORE IT BEGAN”.
Cut to known Pre-War Opponents of Military action (i.e. Moveon Supporters).
“I treid to meet with Joe Lieberman to express my frustration that the war would be a disaster”. He wouldn’t meet with me or respect that those of us who opposed this war, were doing so for principled reasons. Why should we respect his stance now, when he wasn’t willing to listen to both sides of the argument when it really mattered?”
Cut to another:
“I called his office and a staffer blew me off”.
Cut to another:
“I sent Joe a letter, asking him to consider that we were all being deceived by the Bush Administration”. Joe never responded.”
Cut to group shot and have various members of the group speak pieces of the slogan:
If Joe’s stance on the war was principled, why was he afraid to consider our views before he cast his vote to go to war in Iraq?” “I don’t respect Joe’s position on the war, because he didn’t respect mine”. “I don’t either”. “Neither do I”.
Voice over:
“Before the vote in Congress took place to authorize Bush’s Misadventures, XXX% of CT voters were opposed to the war. If Joe’s position was so principled, then why was he unwilling to consider the views of those who tried to warn him that Bush’s war, would be a disaster?”
Cut to Ned Lamont:
“If George Bush and his Neocons want to start another war, I’ll do more than provide Bush with political cover for these misadventures–I’ll represent the views of the Voters of CT. My door will always remain open and I’ll always have an open mind towards opposing points of view–even those who argue to take on Iran, Syria or North Korea”.
“The big difference between Joe and I is that I’ll always listen to the views of the voters of this state. We may not always agree, but at least you will come away knowing that your view was considered”.
Cut to a wider angle with Ned and the folks who had just spoken:
“I’m Ned Lamont and I approve of this ad”
Crowd:
“And so do we”.
Ned should ask Joe,
Yo, Joe, soooo, when did you call He Who Shoots Old Men In The Face out on this?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..5356.shtml
Or is it only a sin for a Democrat to make money?
If Ned’s Halliburton shares are actually owned by a mutual fund, then Ned doesn’t own them and can’t sell them. He could sell the fund shares, but why should he? Sounds (from the TPM piece) like he has a money manager who handles his investments but he is the record owner of the shares. Given the reputed size of his fortune, though, as a percentage of the total portfolio it isn’t much. I don’t think he needs to disinvest. I think he can get more mileage out of saying “I’m honest. I take my policy positions whether or not they will hurt me financially.” Remember Clinton, who thanked the Republicans for his big tax cut but said he didn’t think he should have gotten one. There’s lots of reasons not to like Clinton, but I thought that was very effective.
I think we all ought to get shitfaced drunk tonite in celebration of the fact that our man Atrios was granted space in the LA Times for that opinion piece. IMHO, this is a very big deal, and a most encouraging development. Getting the progressive perspective into a mainstream news venue is a big step in the right direction. Yeehaw….!
“General Smedley D Butler”:
Ok, have Ned put up his tax returns at the same press conference where Joe explains why he was taking money from Greenberg Traurig, Dow, Dupont, all the banking interests, the war interests, the big ag interests, big corporate medical intersts, etc.
http://opensecrets.org/pacs/me…..p;expand=Y
Ron,
Great information on Joey the Clown and his ties to the American Globalist Military Empire. I have never doubted an 18 year veteran of the “Club” would not be tied to all kinds of Militarism.
I’m sure Ned has nothing to hide, and as a practical matter, he needs to release the five years of tax returns to dispell the increasing suspicions of those on the fence. Doesn’t he realise how big this issue has become?
Ron Russell
I like your ad!
Just one teensy change: “The big difference between Joe and me . . . .” Or if you don’t like the sound of that, “between Joe and Ned Lamont . . . .”
General Butler 68
During the debate, I wondered if the income tax thing would resonate with voters.
Do you have some evidence that it has?
Thanks.
skippy interviews prof. richard hanley of quinnipiac u’s school of communications, re: the influence of blogs in the lamont/lieberman race.
prof. hanley pretty much reinforces what atrios wrote in the times: the voters of connecticut were just looking for an anti-lieberman candidate for years. in other words, blogs ain’t driving the engine, but they’re helping w/the road map.
(ps while you’re at it check out skippy’s interview on bloggasm: we give jane and fdl a good plug)
NY Times has yet another article up about Lamont being an Iraw only guy. I swear, can’t these people do a little goddamn work for a change? We don’t need parrots or stenographers right now.
Jane, I don’t understand the description of Lanny Davis as having a “lazy mind.” He’s pushing a rhetorical point for political reasons. You disagree with his intent in pushing this point. You may believe that it will be ineffective. You may be right on both scores. But that doesn’t mean he has a lazy mind.
Sirota reports that Lieberman endorsed the Oman Free Trade Agreement which is yet another example of where exactly Joe’s higher loyalties lie. Never mind Lamont’s oblique investments in Halliburton, he’s not peddling worker rights and homeland security offshore. Do you think Lieberman lists all of his legislative ititiatives and checks them for consistency with the desires of his constituents in the state of Connecticut? Or does open-mike Joe only check with Imus, his homey from Westport?
According to the NYT Ned will lose because everyone in Connecticut loves Imus.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE LEFT BLOGOSPHERE!!!!!!
Our chief weapon is skepticism. Skepticism and no fear. Ah. Our TWO chief weapons are skepticism, no fear…and a ruthless efficiency for debunking wingnut talking heads. THREE, our three chief weapons are skepticism, no fear, a ruthless efficiency…and an almost fanatical devotion to the truth. AMONGST our weaponry are such elements as…I’ll come in again.
I do not have any empirical evidence, since I don’t have access to private polls you or other insiders may have.
My only evidence is some what anecdotal–growing media clammer for disclosure and statements from two of my undecided friends in Hartford who claim they are leaning toward Joey the Clown because of uneasiness about the income tax issue.
It is only going to get more intense for Ed.