
Chris Hayes wrote a quite compelling article on the Democracy Alliance in ITT last month. It provoked many interesting conversations, and much food for thought amongst folks working for progressive change. It was a really well-researched and thoughtful article about the challenges faced by liberal organizations that are all going to the same funding sources (quite meagre next to their conservative counterparts).
As Hayes notes, the right has been spending on infrastructure with political objectives for decades. The left has quite a different model:
The majority of this money comes from just a few large foundations In a recent study of social justice philanthropy, the Foundation Center noted that two foundations, Ford and Robert Wood Johnson, provide 25 percent of foundation grants for social justice work. “That’s a tremendous concentration of influence,” Faber says. “And the problem with the mainline foundations is that they don’t attack social problems in political terms. They look at them in terms of providing services—so they look at them in isolation.”
A program director at one major foundation that funds a wide variety of progressive groups agreed with Faber. “I can’t think of any topic we work on domestically where we feel like we want to build a movement,” she said.
This attitude comes from the reformist culture of philanthropy, which grew out of a distinctly apolitical belief in noblesse oblige and neutered “charity.” But it also results from a concerted effort by conservatives to bully and intimidate foundations away from funding groups that seek to build political power. Foundations like Ford, which funds hundreds of very progressive groups, live in fear of being hauled before Congress, nailed by the IRS or mau-maued by right-wing critics for any perceived political project. (A recent cover story in The Nation recounted the latest dust-up over Ford’s funding of a U.N. conference on racism that exploded into a controversy over anti-Semitism and -Zionism.)
Things are quite different on the right. Partly because conservatives felt shut out of major foundation funding, a network of conservative family foundations grew up in the ’60s to fund the nascent movement. And unlike their mainstream counterparts, the Olin, Scaife, Coors and Heritage foundations all proudly view themselves as funders of the conservative movement. (my emphasis)
In other words — liberal philanthropy lives in fear of right-wing bullies and is reluctant to fund programs with a political objective.
So humor me here. Let’s say you wanted to re-write Chris’s thoughtful article on the Democracy Alliance in the style of, oh I don’t know, the Washington Post. Written by a couple of chuckleheads who have been hammered, whipped and beaten to a pulp by wingnuttia, so accustomed to repeating the narratives of the kool-aid chuggers that they don’t have the slightest idea how thoroughly they’ve internalized them.
Seeing the words "George Soros," you go charging straight for a title breathless with hyperbole:
A New Alliance Of Democrats Spreads Funding
But Some in Party Bristle At Secrecy and Liberal Tilt
Good lord, who will save the babies.
Then, before you get too far down the page, your eyes must bug out like Lou Dobbs at the specter of the mongrel hordes rushing over the border:
Democracy Alliance also has left some Washington political activists concerned about what they perceive as a distinctly liberal tilt to the group’s funding decisions. Some activists said they worry that the alliance’s new clout may lead to groups with a more centrist ideology becoming starved for resources.
Jump up and down and start drooling profusely at the specter of the Big Bad Liberal Boogeyman, toss in the names Hillary Clinton and Peter Lewis, and voila! Byron York has a new chapter for his ongoing Vast Left Wing Conspiracy series.
These guys need to get themselves gigs at The Onion. Honestly, this is just embarassing.
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Oh Ned!
and Fitz too! Just in case!
Wilsons! and RFK Jr!
FDL Patriots!
God, now we’re starving them.
fitz3 Thanks Jane.
So here is some batshit crazy for you:
my actual boss civil engineer with a masters degree in response to my having seen “an inconvenient truth”
“I always thought that [global warming] was a way for the socialists to control the economy”
The socialists? I don’t know what is crazier that he actually thought this or that he changed his mind after seeing Tom Brokaw on the Discovery Channel say that this is a non-partisan issue!
FWIW I liked an inconvenient truth. I didn’t know Gore had spent so much time on global warming over the years.
Also for what it is worth. Scared the crap out of me.
OT (but from previous thread):
Thanks to you wonderful folks at FDL, I’ve chuckled and smiled for the first time today (ventured in to get load down on J. Wilson on KO tonight).
You see, I’ve always assumed that “bukake” was pronounced “buck-cake” and had something to do with, well, bucking a baked good or something.
Finally, I click through *ilson’s link to wikipedia and now I’m enlightened!
Sheesh. At least I picked up that it was perjorative or distasteful. Or something. (though I suppose not distasteful to the bukakers, right?)
Remind me to tell you about the time I thought “autoerotic” meant “having sex with your car”.
Signing off now – it’s been such a heartbreaking day and now I’m feeling light again. Don’t want to harsh my mellow.
Signed,
Candide
Philanthropy, well that’s something I know a little about [full-time grantwriter]. Most foundations are middle-of-the-road, and have very parochial interests and they care deeply about getting some credit for whatever their money does. The big progressive foundations like Ford and Rockefeller Brothers care about solving problems that affect the lives of individuals, and the organizations that they support care about crediting those foundation for supporting their work, as a seal of approval. Conservative foundations care about the movement. The problem that conservative money tries to solve is the right’s supposed lack of political power.
My sense of Chris Cillizza has always been that he writes his boss’ (John WATB Harris’)
articlesstuff for him. Pool boy is just so confirming all we already knew. He’ll publish anything as long as its from an unnamed sourcewho writes the *ucking article for him. Ofcourse that’s a lot tougher since Fitz splattered gold bars Luskin.Sorry, off topic
Any Bay Area people here now?
The Torture Czar is coming your way, Friday
Jane
I got to tellyou, when I read that article this AM, I just about laughed myself silly.
Intelligent people, with the money to make a difference, finally get themsleves organized and start building infrastructure and all the dem consultants wory abot is their payday?
Duh yeah! It’s so called “politica professionals” Dem consultants who are unable to see past the immediate election cycle that help get us in this mess.
I am so glad to see our side investing in THOUGHT. You need thought BEFORE you have action or else you end up with chaos.
then again, chaos=dem party don’t it
My Late Nite post is in the bank. And I’m soooooo excited about it.
Whooo-hooo!! Howdy, firedogs!
On topic
The Powell Manifesto: How a Prominent Lawyer’s Attack Memo Changed America
“they care deeply about getting some credit for whatever their money does”
I remember a professor with an endowed chair saying it was hardly worth it because he was obliged to constantly stroke the donating family. I can’t even remember if he got more money or just the rather limited prestige…
But on topic I read this article this morning on the shadowy liberal fundraisers, and it’s one of the few pieces of news that has made me happy in the last few days. How anyone can get worked up about Soros when the Coors have been such a long and malevolent force in politics is beyond me. My favorite is when Holly Coors, mother of almost Senator Pete and widow of Joseph, said that she wasn’t surprised that some people didn’t like Bush because “they persectued our Lord as well.” Didn’t have to squint real hard to read between those lines.
Did they actually quote Lanny Davis as one of the DC concern trolls, or am I confusing his acts of weaseldom?
If Spazeboy were doing the same brilliant work he is doing now, but working for a regressive, right-wing cause, he would have a grant and no worries about his living expenses for the next three years.
Yes, the “mainstream” media have internalized the foundation stories and creation myths of the right wing infrastructure. Why wouldn’t they? In the immortal words of Frank Herbert, “The spice must flow.” And in the United States in the early 21st century, the spice flows from the right.
Let VandeHei wring his hands and write like a concern troll about the rise of the new progressive way. In the immortal words of Robert Loggia at the end of The Jagged Edge, “F*ck ‘em, he was trash.”
I think it was punaise who pointed out that for liberal causes the pay is shite. We really need to rethink this. Hurray for the Democracy Alliance, and ha ha ha to the DLC for losing out on some of that honey. Tee fucken hee.
Here I thought political activist was code for liberal. Who knew it was code for “centrist”?
I said it below but repeat – any group that will fund CREW over DLC – well, it just makes you feel better about life.
Just what are those “centrist” orgs other than DLC that are drying up?
The “Sensible Pumps for Working Ladies Foundation”? “STOP talking about THE WAR so loudly, LLC”?
“Center for Rightwing Neocon Fascism?” It does use the word “center” after all.
The “Foundation For Disinflamatory Flags?”
Boadicea … try the Manda Scott books – a recent series on your name sake. I read the first but have not gotten to the others but that one was well done historical fiction/fantasy and had a “real” sense to it.
now off to read in depth the ITT article … a topic much on my mind as I need to keep work happy rather than simply doing campaigns for the next while … sigh
lhp: which Eagle and the Raven do you mean? There’s one by Pauline Gedge and one by Michener.
“Didn’t have to squint real hard to read between those lines.”
LMAO
john in sacto – well Abu is certainly veturing into the belly of the beast, the heart of the Mission District. from your link:
I was just at Medjool (a Mediterranean/Middle Eastern small plates resto/bar) a couple of weeks ago for that tame bachelor party. Great rooftop terrace . Too bad they’re subjecting themselves to such Abus.
Howdy, TRex! I’m grinning already, just in anticipation, doncha know.
My Late Nite post is in the bank. And I’m soooooo excited about it.
TeaseRex!
lina
not sure. It was a paperback that I read years ago. it had a seen where Bodicea and a pack of dogs “hunts” a roman soldier that has been soaked in fox urine. The prey is called the annis. When the Romans find the body, there is not a mark on it. He died of fear.
It made quite an impression on my young self. The whole idea that a woman would have the temerity to be violent.or to stand up for herself.
so one of the guys that signed that letter to clinton to take out saddam wants to bomb seria;
here’s the article;
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..-on-syria/
here’s the letter;
http://www.newamericancentury……letter.htm
I think we can use this to bring the point up again that this war was in the making for years and the only people that wanted it were the members of the sick and depraved fraternity we call the PNAC
night all. see you in the am
“…Regime change in Iraq would bring about a number of benefits to the region. When the gravest of threats are eliminated, the freedom-loving peoples of the region will have a chance to promote the values that can bring lasting peace. As for the reaction of the Arab “street,” the Middle East expert Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are “sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs in Kabul greeted the Americans.” Extremists in the region would have to rethink their strategy of Jihad. Moderates throughout the region would take heart. And our ability to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process would be enhanced, just as it was following the liberation of Kuwait in 1991…”
Dick Cheney, August 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r…8/ 20020826.html
‘In his weekly radio address on March 5, 2005, George W. Bush celebrated “remarkable developments” in the Middle East. “In the last five months, we have witnessed successful elections in Afghanistan, the Palestinian Territory and Iraq; peaceful demonstrations on the streets of Beirut; and steps toward democratic reform in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The trend is clear: In the Middle East and throughout the world, freedom is on the march.”‘
Tim Grieve, Salon.com
_____
Of course, neither will EVER admit to any strategic fuckups that have made the world significantly more bloody and dangerous.
_
Some activists said they worry that the alliance’s new clout may lead to groups with a more centrist ideology becoming starved for resources.
Good Lord, what would the Democrats do without the DLC’s sober wisdom counselling them to distance themselves from the venomous rabid lambs of the Michael Moore/Ward Churchill/Deb Frisch left?
Someone, please, fetch me my pearls.
john in sacto – that’s revolting! I do hope protests are planned. Unfortunately, I’ll be at work. Otherwise I’d have to show up with some rabid disrespectful lambs with psychic wounds in need of massage.
Abu lives in the belly of the beast. Nor will he not anytime given his or our liftime. Or others, which means he might in 2050, which may be others, but not mine. So there.
In his weekly radio address on March 5, 2005, George W. Bush celebrated “remarkable developments” in the Middle East.
“Remarkable” is certainly a valid choice of words.
noticee the signators;
Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick
Yikes, y’all. Can some techie help me here? I just received a spam email, and when I clicked on “This Is Spam,” it disappeared the whole top of my email screen. I mean, all that shows now between the line withis a black bar with Inbox on the left end.
TRex at 10 said My Late Nite post is in the bank.
And it has already earned my interest :)
LindaR @ 13
You’re right. Luckily, I’ve got a pretty flexible part-time gig and student loans–so my bills are paid. I’ve got a full-tuition grant (thank you, taxpayers!), so I need the loans to keep me living in the lap of meager health-insurance luxury.
I know that I’m going to make a liberal-left-wing cause that’s willing to pay me very very happy someday.
Since I’m not actually counting on that, maybe I’ll end up in law school?
TRex at 10 said My Late Nite post is in the bank.
And it has already earned my interest :)
Yes, I look forward to checking it out.
(catching up from last thread)
lhp you said this about RFK, jr. suit…
“Unless you had a reason to know, you wouldn’t know.”
——
I wonder how many times this Qui Tam has been used to discover the ‘facts’ re: JFK/RFK endings? Challenging gov’t findings, etc…just sayin’
——
…and where’s Carnegie’s money these days? (oure faire City Library and many others founded w/war profits. Ironic point, trying to be on topic, is all.)
Sorry, off-topic, but I happened to catch a brief clip of Victoria “Natasha” Toensing on the Diane Rehm show earlier today. She was just soooo disappointed that the Wilson’s lawsuit will probably not make it to discovery, because she “has a lot of questions for the Wilsons.”
For the love of Christ, what the hell are the wingnuts talking about? What crime, exactly, do they think the Wilson’s have committed (aside from being Democrats)?
I apologize if this has been covered previously and I missed it. But can anyone point me to something that explains the details (if any) behind this particular wingnut talking point?
Diane also had Joe Wilson on the show. Here’s the link. http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/
Ooop — rattled, hit the wrong button. All that shows between the top line with File, Edit, etc., and the top of the window showing incoming mail is a black bar with Inbox on the left end.
Wha hoppened, ya think?
Not satirical but deeply ironic: The US arms and funds much of the Israeli military which is currently raining down bombs on American citizens in Lebanon who will be charged for the luxury of escaping a conflict which our government has no intention or wish to stop.
Also for *ilson from a couple threads back. Cretin comes from the Latin Christianus. Most words passing into French from Latin got seriously beaten up (to use the technical term, OK kidding on that one) in the process. Cretans are a whole different kettle of fish to use a completely inappropriate metaphor.
This reminds me for no good reason of the “one” not the number but the pronoun we use in English in phrases such as “one says”. This also was borrowed from French where it was “on” as in “on est” or “one is” which in turn goes back to Latin “homo” or man. The related form in German parallels this and was, in fact, “man” from “Mann” as in “Man glaubt” or “one believes”, for instance. Anyway, I think I will stop here before I wander further afield and besides I’m pretty much and English only kind of person.
Thanks, siun, I’ll check her out.
siun – you’ve got mail.
I think it was punaise who pointed out that for liberal causes the pay is shite. We really need to rethink this.
Steve Gilliard has had the red-ass about this since I started reading him.
When the only entry-level positions in lefty think-tanks are internships, the people who can afford to take them will be rather unlikely to represent mainstream values.
lotus — a basic troubleshooting rule for PCs running any version of Windows : do a complete cold total reboot! unplug the PC if necessary.
Trex, I’m charged.
MsAnna, I talk to someone who told me he thought liberals wanted everyone to drive Yugos and eat tofu. I had to tell him I’d never seen a Yugo and never tasted tofu, so I was pretty sure that wasn’t right.
Where do they get these crazy ideas? Oh…I forgot: a great source of “info” for some conservatives I know is Newsmax. I get articles sent to me from well-meaning people.
I send them stuff from Jesus’ General. ;)
Captain Goto, wasn’t me but I’m sure it’s true
Margot – Yugo, girl
me to me @ 29
Paula Dobriansky also works for the Bush Administration, Undersecretary of State for Democracy and Global Affairs.
LindaR @ 13
I attempted to post a little reply about how right you are, but I think it’s lost forever.
Anyway, thanks to a full tuition grant for my education, student loans to pay for my health insurancce, and a part time job to pay for the rest I’m actually pretty fortunate.
If a liberal benefactor with deep pockets doesn’t hire me soon, I’ll be movin’ on up from community college to a state school to law school.
And I won’t forget where I came from. ;)
*ilson, you mean unplug it electrically or modem-wise or both?
lotus – *ilson is right … and you are running updated virus software please? do a full scan after the reboot.
good luck!
off to see my inbox …yippee!
Thanks, siun.
Eli
TRex at 10 said My Late Nite post is in the bank.
And it has already earned my interest :)
Yes, I look forward to checking it out.
there is a penalty for early withdrawl symptoms (blogitus interruptus)
sorry, punaise. Don’t blog and telecon at the same time…
unplug the PC if necessary to do a complete total reboot — a viruscan is good too afterwards before you try to use any program, especially your Email pgm …
Some activists said they worry that the alliance’s new clout may lead to groups with a more centrist ideology becoming starved for resources.
Oh dear, what a nightmare. Now the centrist Democrats’ impressive electoral winning streak may come to screeching halt.
Sheesh.
This “we must continue to reward failure” mentality is a big giant problem.
Captain Goto -
Don’t blog and telecon at the same time…
Don’t blog and tell-a-neo-con he’s full of shit at the same time…
boadicea, I f*cked up and lost a honkin’ big long post about a book in which your namesake plays an integral part, Harry Turtledove’s “Ruled Britannia.” So check out the review/synopsis; I give it a recommend.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ…..mp;s=books
To the Folks at Fire Dog Lake and anyone else who is willing to listen:
First I want to say that I appreciate immensely the tireless job you have done in bringing up issues that matter and staying focused on important, ne critical, abuses of power by our current government. You have done a heroic service for the good of all of us.
Nonetheless, in my view, you have become distracted with issues that do not have the potential to make as big a difference as you hope and deserve to make, and more importantly are, by obsessing about the events of yesterday, and party politics, missing the machinations of the right wing.
We all need to be looking forward, not back. We need to be aware of what is coming and be ready for what could happen, if we would hope to stop it. Karl Rove is not sitting home in the afternoons smoking pot and watching Simpsons re-runs — he is actively planning, conspiring (frankly), the continued dominance of the Republican party and the Bush administration through this falls election. If that doesn’t scare someone, they are asleep, or dead.
Here’s a scenario for you: The right wing uses the latest ’situation’ in Israel to bring the drumbeat of war with Iraq to a crescendo thus rallying the American voter behind another aggressive military adventure and stealing a good third of the real swing voters back from the Dems, then using voter intimidation, election committee shenanigans, and outright fraud, steals another 1/3 of the voters, and ‘wins’ the election. Then in the ensuing riots in the streets, calls out the national guard and imposes martial law in every major US city — Wash DC, New York, LA, Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, Dallas…
Sound like fun?
Karl Rove is absolutely counting on a ‘why can’t we all just get along’, naive, optimistic, timid, ‘right thinking’, decent, somnabalent opposition to perform at its usual reactive best in the coming 6 months. He expects us to be obsessed with events long gone, ’shocked’ at the low’s to which he will sink, and most importantly unprepared for what he has in store.
Are you prepared? Are you ready? Because if you aren’t, this game is probably already over.
VoiceFromTheWilderness
Steve Gilliard has had the red-ass about this since I started reading him.
When the only entry-level positions in lefty think-tanks are internships, the people who can afford to take them will be rather unlikely to represent mainstream values.
Matt Stoller (I think; it was *someone* at MyDD) had a great post about this as well. He was working some kind of crappy dead-end job because he wasn’t making enough from MyDD, and one of the big liberal orgs contacted him about giving them a break on advertising rates.
Presumably they’re assuming that all liberals are such true believers that they’ll work for nothing. I’m sure a lot of us would *like* to, but most of us *can’t*. I don’t know whether they’re being cynical exploiters, or just naive idealists, but the net result is the same.
Okey-doke, I’ll try that. Thanks for your help, and I’ll see y’all later. I hope.
SarahT, the Wilsons committed no crime; the exact opposite is true; a crime was committed against them, and they stated that on Friday. Christy laid their case out in detail and you can read her anaylsis here. The Wilsons are legally taking on a powerful entity in our government and not standing down; their lives were compromised. Let justice rule.
lotus -
just one thought, if ya haven’t already rebooted, which is next,
does your mouse cursor do anything if you move slowly around the area; it might just have ‘collapsed’ your mail viewing windew. if it changes to somehting that looks like a gigamous PLUS SING then jsut grab a side and pull it back out to fill the screen.
This “we must continue to reward failure” mentality is a big giant problem.
Hey, didn’t I hear that Rahm’s in line for a promotion if the Dems don’t retake the House?
Margot: helarious. I told my boss yeah there may be 10 socialists in California somewhere (sorry teddy and all) but I haven’t met any.
Oh yeah and Al Gore said this is a non-partisan issue too.
I really thought that book the other day with the authoritarian personality and what the followers are like was on to something. I can’t explain why otherwise thinking people would swallow such horse shit without so much as a thought as too how rediculous these thoughts are.
(sorry to pick on CA, but a few of my mom and dad’s friends moved there over the years and lost their minds in a whole other sort of way)(come to think of it mom did too but somehow she got out of CA)
(Thankfully, I *did* read somewhere that Bob Shrum is allegedly retired and teaching poli-sci somewhere – I hope his students are all Republicans, poor doomed bastards.)
Well, I think the R team certainly has been successful in using foundations for political purposes. It’s a good tactic. I see nothing wrong with borrowing/copying winning tactics from someone else. So, the Democrats ought to shift the view of their foundations/think tanks. Fight fire with fire. As to the various reporters who will be critical….Democrats just need to stop playing “nice”. Slam the reporters, and publicly. Issue press statements questioning Van de Hei’s impartiality based on his wife’s occupation. Hit, and hit again.
The R team does this all the time, with pretty good success. We just need to hit back.
Ghostman
goodnight lhp! Take care of your bad self!
Or, before you do the reboot, click on “View” if you can, and there is where your toolbars and such can be revealed.
Slam the reporters, and publicly. Issue press statements questioning Van de Hei’s impartiality based on his wife’s occupation. Hit, and hit again.
The R team does this all the time, with pretty good success. We just need to hit back.
Sounds good to me. And we don’t even have to lie.
Wildnerness: get thee to a wilderness.
timing is everythng
exit stage left; witha fitz, ned and a rootin tootin rootz for toobz.
may have an lte to brag about in am; we’ll see.
spazeboy rulz!
Voice From The Wilderness — we didnt just fall off the falafel truck here, ya know? You are way late with your benificence of wisdom and knowledge — the escalation of the Lebanon kerfuffle into full-fledged War on Iran for electoral victory of the GOP has been talked about and accounted for in here.
Now go and elucidate and inform some other blogs, like a good boy!
OP99, Ruled Brittania appears to be alt-Elizabethan England, which is the wrong period for Boadicea/Boudicca. Are you sure that’s the title?
If you think it was Turtledove, I’ll take a look through his catalog and see if I can figure out which it might be.
Thanks for the inspiration on reading, folks.
marily @ 60
Thanks. I’ve read Christy’s analyses of the Wilson’s case (and certainly don’t think they committed any crime). I’m just curious as to what the right wing is talking about when they keep saying and/or implying that it is the the Wilsons who should be under indictment.
I’ll re-read Christy’s posts and see if I missed it.
It’s sad how universal this is. I work for a nonprofit that campaigns for Tibetan independence. We don’t do aid work, but rather work for a purely political goal. Our problem is that almost all funders would rather be doing humanitarian, charitable work on the ground inside Tibet or in refugee communities as opposed to supporting political efforts going on around the world.
I often use a medical analogy to describe this split between aid and politics. You can treat the symptoms of a disease forever, but the only way to cure it is to go after the disease itself. In the case of Tibet the symptoms are inadequate educational systems, high rates of tuberculosis and blindness, and poverty – all symptoms needing treatment, but the cure lies in giving Tibetans political control over their lives. Refugees will stop crossing the Himalayas when they have nothing to flee from at home.
The parallel is easy to see in American politics. If our government was filled with progressive individuals and people who actually believed in using the commonwealth to promote the common good, it would then be able to focus more time, energy, and money onto public education, public healthcare, and public housing. The need for private charities and aid groups would be greatly diminished if we had a government that functioned with an eye towards improving the lives of all Americans, not just those at the top of the economic ladder.
If you think it was Turtledove, I’ll take a look through his catalog and see if I can figure out which it might be.
If it was alt-history, there’s a real good chance that it was Turtledove. It’s his specialty. Great stories, clunky writing.
*ilson, you just made me laugh so loud I startled the cat.
Now he’s glaring at you. Can you feel it through the screen?
Gee, wilderness, I now see that trying to get progressives elected is just not terribly important in the larger scheme of things. So I guess I’ll just give up and go shoot myself. Thanks for the heads up.
Gee, wilderness, I now see that trying to get progressives elected is just not terribly important in the larger scheme of things. So I guess I’ll just give up and go shoot myself.
To quote Doonesbury (when Reagan was elected or re-elected, IIRC): Good idea. Handguns should be cheap and plentiful.
Eli: That was a great little piece. It was Bowers, iirc.
boadicea 71, in “Ruled Britannia”, our hero William Shakespeare has to write a play to incite the British populace (under the rule of the Spanish in this “alternative history”)to riot to free Elizabeth I from the Tower. To evade the censors, he writes about Boadicea as an allegory for the heroic Elizabeth.
Brilliant, *ilson, as usual.
Saraht, implying and indictment are two different words. Please re-read their definitions.
thanks, op99
Eli at 56 — that was it, the reference I had in mind.
There is a strange paradox in the liberal psyche. So many want the top-of-the-line result yet refuse to pay the cost. There is a cheapness, a littleness about it — like resenting giving a decent (let alone a good) tip for good service.
I think it comes from an internalized, subconscious acceptance of devaluation. As an example: I believe the minimum wage should be $17.20 an hour.
Okay, how many of you recoiled at that number? Was your first reaction oh, that is too much? And yet, when the minimum wage was $1.72 an hour, houses cost generally 10 percent what they cost now, and meals in restaurants cost roughly 10 percent as now.
Anyway, this isn’t truly on topic; but it is at least peripheral. We need to expect people like Spazeboy and Matt Stoller to be paid somehow for the work they do — paid well enough that they can continue to do the work without sacrificing financial security.
Now as far as the people of the DLC go, I don’t think they produce anything of value, so I don’t care if their funding dries up!
I know, Eli. He’s a juggernaut in Alt-history. Bit of a prat in person, iirc as well.
But he does have a good imagination for a yarn-even with the clunky writing style.
SarahT–the right blogosphere is basically full of s**t when it comes to the Wilsons. They figure if that nice Republican boy Fitzgerald is working *that* hard, why, it *must* mean that some enemy of the Bushes is about to be strung up.
Take it as projection and wishful thinking on their part, amped to earsplitting volume by the RW smear machine.
Sarah T – 35: I would LOVE to see Victoria Toensing hook up with Libby’s team and ask the Wilsons “a few questions.”
What better than to see the Wilsons shoot down Scooter, Rove and Cheney, PLUS make a bitter fool of Natasha (and maybe humiliate Boris DeGenova in the mix). Wow – wouldn’t that be a great scenario?
On the question of liberal vs conservative salaries, there was some shoulda been scandalous article about the differences between College Democrats and their evil fundie yellow elephant stepford children counterparts. Money wasn’t the only issue, but the head of college Republicans was getting a stipend that equalled grown-up executive money, IIRC, and the Democratic kid was getting a Greyhound RedEye Pass for his networking budget.
I may have the details wrong, but you gather my inference.
MBH 74 — interesting. That Chris Hayes article made me re-think a lot of my objectives with the Roots project. I think we may have even discussed it when we had crab cakes and ice tea that day. I don’t want to spend a lot of time convincing people it’s a good idea to pursue political objectives and not simply keep slapping bandaids all over a situation, I’d rather pursue the GOP model of large numbers of individual donors.
That WaPo article was just useless, vain, DC-centric and totally wankeriffic.
I think the outside world wants the f.lakers to discuss the Israel situation…
Ah, Op99, now I see!
Combines one of my favorite historical periods AND my spiritual foremother.
How can I NOT read this book? Even with the gentle Turtledove touch.
*studiously ignoring the pile of unread tomes all around her.*
Ahem.
Falafel alert, somebody call Bill O’Reilly.
Seriously, this is in line with all the other bullying the Gambino Republicans do. If they can’t control it or co-opt it, they try to bully and discredit it. Think science, academia, the media, etc.
Derek Jarman in his British punk film “Jubilee” has this gawdawful-good striptease performed by the character “Boadicea” to “Rule Britannia”. You just stare at it and keep saying “Oh no, they didn’t! Oh no, where is she putting that trident? Oh no, cant the Windsors sue?”
I don’t think Victoria Toensing is accustomed to fair fights.
That WaPo article was just useless, vain, DC-centric and totally wankeriffic.
And *that*, as they say, is the bottom line. Leave it to Jane, of course.
VandeHei and Cillizza? What a loser fake-wrestling tag team.
At some level, I hope that these media types and the current (cess)pool of DLC Democrats continue to do what The WaPo did in its article today. If they keep this up, and continue the Deb Howard/Lieberman/Brooks rabidvenemouslambwolfradicalcrazy discussion going for, say, another year — then the whole cake will be cooked and they will wake up to find the world changed for the better and their services no longer needed.
Sayonara!
OT – New story from the Boston Globe: “Lieberman tries to make Lamont’s tax returns a campaign issue”
There is a strange paradox in the liberal psyche. So many want the top-of-the-line result yet refuse to pay the cost. There is a cheapness, a littleness about it — like resenting giving a decent (let alone a good) tip for good service.
I think it comes from an internalized, subconscious acceptance of devaluation. As an example: I believe the minimum wage should be $17.20 an hour.
The most charitable explanation I can come up with is that they’ve totally internalized the Republicans’ funding advantage, so they feel they have to “economize” to make their dollars stretch farther.
The least charitable explanation is that they think we’re all rubes who will work for peanuts because we’re so passionate about the cause, so they don’t even have to worry about paying us.
So, when we meet, *ilson, I shouldn’t ask “Is that a trident in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?”
Duly noted.
Victoria Toensing is like the white lady who could argue for hours about the inherent inferiority of Negroes…
I think I may need to put a banner up at the top of the blog — JOE WILSON WAS RIGHT, THERE WERE NO IRAQI ATTEMPTS TO BUY NIGER URANIUM. NOW WHAT’S YOUR FUCKING QUESTION?
Not to be disrespectful of folks showing up here sincerely wanting to know how the wingnuts come up with such weird and convoluted lies, but that’s the baseline truth and it would cut the work load down around here by about 50%.
Victoria Toensing is like the white lady who could argue for hours about the inherent inferiority of Negroes…
There’s only one?
Speaking of useless media maunderings: there was a piece by Ari Shapiro on Morning Edition today about the “tension” between Abu Gonzales and Snarlin’ Arlen Specter. An almost fact-free piece of mush, all about “bluntness” and “they *used* to get along so well, and now there’s this (gasp) TENSION!!” Oh, the HORROR!!
If I hadn’t had the commute to work to cool down, I’d have flamed their sorry asses for wasting ten minutes of my morning and their oh-so-expensive airtime.
OT – I’m gonna be at the Branford FDL get-together. YAY! It’s been a crazy couple of weeks, and leading into the last few weeks before the primary, it looks like it ain’t gonna let up.
Tomorrow I’m going to be videotaping the CT Democratic Gubenatoral debate; then Wed. I’ll post any good video I get, and Thurs. is the Branford thing.
I can’t believe Jane’s been here in CT for going on three weeks and I haven’t had a chance to see her yet! And there’s gonna be a bunch of FDLer’s there, too. Woohoo!
ccmask 90 — I am just not going to run my mouth with a two bit opinion on a topic of great importance and complexity that I do not follow closely or understand when there are others who cover it so well.
We can’t all be expert in all things and we won’t even try. For those interested in watching such gross displays of ignorance, there is always the Corner.
Boudicea:
another one about your heroine is “Boudica – Queen of the Iceni” by Joseph Roesch. It’s not great, but it’s not bad.
lhp: thanks for the referral. That’s the Gedge book you are talking about.
boadicea 90, it’s my favorite Turtledove; it’s so freaking clever and masterful the way he handles quoting large chunks of the fake Boadicea play, which is patched together from real Shakespeare. Absolutely awesome!
Jane@89-Imagine the kind of progressive energy that could be unleashed with a few decently funded positions. I’m not talking about wingnut welfare levels, but decent to where it could be legit second income in a 2 income family. Look at the impact the 50 state project is having for the DNC. In freaking Nebraska! With 3 full timers @ maybe 40K per.
marily @ 82
I’m not sure I understand your response. I don’t want to belabor this, but I do want to make myself clear.
I certainly don’t think the Wilson’s committed any crime. I think they are justified in moving forward with their civil suit. However, a number of right-wingers keep suggesting that the Wilson’s have commited some crime, and should be indicted. But I have never seen any details regarding what these alleged crimes are. I assume this is simply another right-wing attempt to smear the Wilson’s through innuendo. However, if they have made some attempt to “explain” what crime it is they think the Wilson’s have committed, I’d like to read it (mostly, for a laugh).
Well, that’s probably enough off-topic posting on this for this thread. Sorry for any confusion.
Fantastic. Thanks, Lina and Op99.
SarahT, I’m curious to hear their explanation as well – their assertion seems completely content-free. The *only* things I think of are that A) Joe Wilson is somehow guilty of outing his wife (I’m pretty sure I have heard this, although I can’t understand it), or B) That Wilson somehow slandered the administration by, um, telling the truth, or maybe revealing confidential top-secret information about Iraq not buying yellowcake.
I’m no lawyer, but these both sound incredibly stupid.
ccmask — where have you been hiding for the last six days if you think the FDLers havent been discussing the Lebanon kerfuffle? While there have been no posts from our Esteemed Hostesses, almost every comment thread deal with the MidEast brouhaha. I have been very pleased with the continued civility of the discussion which has the potential of degenerating into horrendously evil flamewars.
ccmask — stick around (which you usually do) and partake of the shared information and discussion about the Lebanon imbroglio…
Gosh, I love this place! I have myalgic encephalomylitis: and my views are always represented, and I’m not very good at arguments. But I was a really informed, interesting person, and I am almost there again. Thank you.
*sigh*
I want a think tank to give me some money to take a month or two off from work and write my career-launching book, “All Republicans are Gay”. I can handle it myself from there.
TRex — you just want the money so you can afford to go to higher-priced gay bars to research Gay Republicans !
If you would like to get cutting-edge intelligence analysis about the situation in the middle east, go here:
http://www.stratfor.com/
I have been reading it for the last week and it blows me away that this kind of incisive, nuanced analysis is available and no one seems to know or care. I’m not sure what group is behind this site, but it seems to be fairly non-partisan.
You all may disabuse me of this notion, however, if you can find evidence to the contrary.
personally, I have never knowingly had sex with a Republican …
Or, for the love of-
I just saw an ad for *kayak.com* (yes, a travel site) that ridicules Kerry, Dean, and I think Gore. Jaysus.
*ilson, they are the ones who hide in the woods near Fall Creek!
TRex — you just want the money so you can afford to go to higher-priced gay bars to research Gay Republicans !
Uh, EW!!!!!
I haven’t set foot in a gay bar since, uh, maybe 2003. And the time before that was about 1999.
I don’t fit in at the gay bar. And the music is always just horrid.
Why do so many mainstream gay men listen to music made for teenagers?
Um, should be *Oh*, for the love of-
Bit distracted; my Treo got stolen and I’m not a happy camper.
Captain Goto – “the right blogosphere is basically full of s**t…”
And that is why it is the Blogostomy™.
saraht, there is no crime of the Wilsons. Therefore, no expanation is necessary. The crime, indeed, in beholden on the other party in this lawsuit. I know of no other explanation.
OT: CNN is now referring to Bush’s unscripted comments on Syria as “The shit heard ’round the world.”
Twisted Martini at 106:
No offense, and I really mean that, but this
exemplifies the attitude I think is so dangerous. Why should we apologize for expecting decent where it could be legit first income in a one-income family?????
So, the groups that have failed miserably to get progressives elected and move a progressive agenda forward are all having the vapors over the notion that donors are opting to put their resources with groups that believe there might be a better way to achieve those goals? So, basically, it comes down to a bunch of whiners pouting because they’re getting picked last on the dodgeball team – even though they suck at dodgeball. How many more times do we have to lose at dodgeball before we try picking a team that can win?
This is one crazy-ass, upside-down, bizarro world we live in.
MsAnna
Heck, where I grew up we got the sects that Californians considered too extreme….due in part to Cold War hysteria, maybe.
http://religiousmovements.lib……s/iam.html
They don’t mention it in this little article, but this sect had a school and a temple in New Mexico, in my neighborhood. The gardener of the temple was a lady in her 70s who always gave me an angel birthday card.
I never saw what was so extreme about them.
Woooooo. I was just making an observation. The last couple of threads people keep popping up trying to get the conversation on the Israeli attack. It was only an snarky observation Jane & Wilson.
Jane Hamsher says:
July 17th, 2006 at 7:26 pm
I think I may need to put a banner up at the top of the blog — JOE WILSON WAS RIGHT, THERE WERE NO IRAQI ATTEMPTS TO BUY NIGER URANIUM. NOW WHAT’S YOUR FUCKING QUESTION?
Not to be disrespectful of folks showing up here sincerely wanting to know how the wingnuts come up with such weird and convoluted lies, but that’s the baseline truth and it would cut the work load down around here by about 50%.
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Meanwhile, in Christopher Hitchens’s parallel universe over at slate.com, Robert Novak has “proved” that there was no conspiracy to betray Plame. And Novak was pro-Wilson. And…well, you get the drift. It’s good for a laugh.
Point taken, Linda. That was the suburban zombie in me coming out. Down zombie!
Has anybody mentioned yet that Condi is characteristically f*cking up her job as Secretary of State, given the State Department’s abysmal failure to assist Americans in Lebanon? Reminds me of how she f*cked up as National Security Advisor, and when Boy George put her in charge of Iraq.
OT, does anyone know where the talking point about “thousands of missiles” launched by Hezbollah came from?
where in the hell was georgie’s minder today?
op99 – Condi probably forgot to pack the right kind of shoes for Beirut in July…
exactly, op99
ccmask — I apologize if I snapped back too quickly — I have been fighting off these oh-so-evolved idiots who flit in from nowhere to demand we discuss RIGHT NOW their pet project or war. They usually mean well but come off as pompous and arrogant asses …
op99, Condi *might* have been a marginally okay Sec’y Of State if we were still eyeball-to-eyeball with the Soviet Union, but that’s the only scenario where I can even imagine it as a possibility (and still not a likely one).
She is utterly, abjectly incompetent.
Twisted — well, I think it shows how much we really have internalized the expectations game. And why it’s so healthy to laugh with joy when something like the Democracy Alliance forms.
Meanwhile, in Christopher Hitchens’s parallel universe over at slate.com,
Yes, the parallel universe can be found somewhere to the north of Hitchie-poo’s colon.
What. a. self-absorbed. sodden. wanker.
That’s okay. I guess I snarked at a bad time :))
Here’s a nice quote from the Editor of Harper’s
George [W.] Bush calls himself a Christian, but I think he lacks the tragic sensibility required to worship a man who would allow himself to be crucified. Bush is a doer. He wants to solve problems, and he seems to believe that at some point all of the problems can be solved, even the problem of sin. Rather than find redemption in the blood of Christ, he seems to be groping toward some way of redeeming the sin of knowledge, his own and the world’s, all by himself. He sees that you are naked and ashamed, but rather than clothe you he has found the way at last — compassionately, his heart full of love — to pluck out your eye.” Luke Mitchell, a senior editor of Harper’s Magazine
Frank Probst,
“OT: CNN is now referring to Bush’s unscripted comments on Syria as “The shit heard ’round the world.”
In addition to that, our Prez was eating with his mouth open, talking with his mouth open while eating… a slob in my world.
AND…. Muslims all over the world are barffing. Putting food in your mouth with your “bathroom hand” (left hand) is a no no.
Hi all ; )
Anne at 132 (and for punaise):
She forgot to drop in and see what Condi-shun her Condi-shun was in.
ccmask — I didn’t mean it as an attack, I knew you were picking up others’ complaints. Just explaining why I don’t write about something I don’t know enough about to speak on with some degree of understanding.
Somehow we always seem to have to keep pointing that out. People might as well come in and kick my ass for not writing about particle physics.
I agree, I’d love to get me some of that wingnut welfare. I’m sure we all would. Kos has got a good post up about the 50 state strategy and how it is already having an effect in states like Mississippi. We all have talents that have been developed, maybe in the corporate world, maybe wherever, that would be unbelievable if harnessed full time.
LindaR,
You’re exactly right, Dems have to stop acting like victims about economic issues … everything … every issue, and stare the bully down.
Trying to find an article about how the CEO of some HMO who gets something like $150 Million a year and get this, sit down, ready? the BOD gave him a pension of (drum roll ……..)
ONE POINT SIX BILLION Dollars
#111 – Eli said:
“…their assertion seems completely content-free.”
That seems to be the case with all rightwing assertions. And they ALWAYS get away with them – the reason: the “journalists” and the weak dem pundits NEVER ask for or demand content. They just let the accusations lay without question (in the case of “reporters”) or they try to keep up with the wingnut logic (in the case of the weak dems), which is always a losing proposition.
But, Jane, don’t you CARE that the dark matter in the universe is screwing with the universal constant?
Something must be done. To the Firedoglakemobile!!!
Umm… Wouldn’t it be “moonbat welfare”?
She is utterly, abjectly incompetent.
I think you are sacrificing some accuracy for kindness, but that’s jmo.
Condi and the WH are effectively restoring Russia to its place as a superpower. Every day we stay in Iraq and Afghanistan makes the ME and Europe and especially the old Soviet Republics more insecure. This is just a straight military calculus. It doesn’t begin to take into account Russia’s leverage as an energy producer.
op99, Condi was WHIP and as (I cry) National Seurity Advisor, you have it just right.
just for my two cents. which is about what i’m worth.
i don’t like all this money in politics. i know they go together, but it’s out of control. a responsible government would seek to regulate it.
if the libs need to fight fire with fire…
well, i don’t know, i just think the money could be better spent somewhere besides politics. it’s money down a black hole.
everhopeful @145:
But they wouldn’t *say* it if there wasn’t some truth to it, right? So why rock the boat? Can’t we all just be friends?
Charley, until we can get people in power who will enact genuine campaign finance reform, this is the game we have.
Gotta play with the hand we’re dealt.
John at 143 — omigod. I must admit, my reaction to that was “oh, that’s too much.”
Jane: Maybe you need to drop leaflets.
a responsible government would seek to regulate it.
charley, when we get within half a parsec of “responsible government” I’ll be signing on with ya.
In the meantime, bring on the moonbat welfare.
Charley, until we can get people in power who will enact genuine campaign finance reform, this is the game we have.
Campaign finance reform is really, really tough. It’s basically asking incumbents to disarm unilaterally, meaning that a majority would have to choose principle over self-interest.
I think publicly-funded campaigns would be idea, but I’m not sure of the best way to determine who gets the money.
boadicea @ 147:
Only us darks can talk about dark matters…Anyone else needs to STFD and STOB.
;>)
Eli, I have read that Condi was “utterly, abjectly incompetent” in her academic specialty if her PhD thesis is any indication. Sorry, I give up on finding a link.
op99, I’ve heard it too, and I don’t doubt it for a second.
But hey, at least the USSR is something she *studied*, so there’s some chance she might have absorbed enough of it to have a better understanding than, say, me.
but she had an oil tanker named after her, doesn’t that make her qualified?
ccmask 154 — I’m thinking of one of those crabby Atrios “Things I do not care about” posts, but he does it so well I just couldn’t compete.
;)
op99 and others
not surprised about Condi incompetence. Every time she opens her mount I just think What?!
Again going way way back to just after 2000 recount. Believe it or not I was not too concerned about Bush and company. After all he campaigned very moderately and had put a black woman in the cabinet. Whoa! They really played me. I suspect lots of others too.
Jane,
Still going forward. Thanks to Las Vagas and what I learned from you going there. Thank you.
ccmask 154 — I’m thinking of one of those crabby Atrios “Things I do not care about” posts, but he does it so well I just couldn’t compete.
How about a “What Atrios Says” link?
Then again, we’re all dying to hear your take on biofuels.
oh that was mouth…not mount…
“Money in politics” has become an industry, just like “construction” or “Hollywood” or “military contracting.” There are different jobs in this industry, like political consultant, ad designer, cable provider, network ad rep, candidate, PAC coordinator — you get my drift.
It’s bigger than just campaign donations. It is an entire economic sector, like health care or education, or manufacturing. I wonder how much of the national product comes from campaign financing?
The problem could be solved in an eye blink by de-privatizing campaigns and making television companies provide free commercial time and host informative debates on all the issues.
But who is going to make any money off that?
The sad thing is that our president knows less about the mideast than Jane, and gets to make important decisions about it.
Gettin’ about that time…
I’d be thinking about taking Eli’s advice and sleeping at work, but the VP is back in the office tomorrow…
So, g’night, all.
And The Daily Show is TEN YEARS OLD TONIGHT!! WooHOO!!!
Gotta play with the hand we’re dealt.
i know, i’m encouraged it’s happening, still money down a black hole.
is it too much to hope a relevant, and well expressed idea could win the day?
yes, i know…
Ms Anna-it was one of the rationalizations we all used in 2000-”well, at least he seems to have some experienced people around him.” Experienced at fucking things up maybe…
I’d be thinking about taking Eli’s advice and sleeping at work, but the VP is back in the office tomorrow…
I never said it would work for everybody.
“People might as well come in and kick my ass for not writing about particle physics.”
so, you’re sayin’ the String Theory post will be pushed back again ?
Jane: just take it as a compliment. They all want more of you. They value you that much.
Except the nasty ones. They can fuck off.
Build a shelf under your desk, just like George Costanza did
I never said it would work for everybody.
Are you, by any chance, an ex-employee of the Nigerian Foreign Service?
This is a community, a learning community. Commenters act as the
early warning systemfeedback loop for posters. By linking to helpful articles and posts in the comments section, we ease the already heavy burden on posters.According to *ilson and others Juan Cole is must see on the ME. A lot of us may be so ignorant, that we’re not up to speed on where the Cole community is right now. His community is probably similar to this one, it assumes a certain degree of knowledge and expertise. Ditto for mfi.
Another place is advertising. Jane has to constantly find advertisers to fund fdl. If readers know of “opportunities,” I would encourage you to put them in the comments. If Jane and Christy think your idea has some possibilities, I’m sure they’ll let you know.
“People might as well come in and kick my ass for not writing about particle physics.”
so, you’re sayin’ the String Theory post will be pushed back again ?
I think we need electron reform. They’re always circling around ominously, and they’re always so *negative*.
Are you, by any chance, an ex-employee of the Nigerian Foreign Service?
I can see by your comments that you are very trustworthy fellow…
Kevin Drum had a good flashback post today, McCain saying that his solution to Iraq was to tell the Shia, Shiites and Kurds to “cut the shit”. That’s what makes these people so damn dangerous, voters are willing to buy their simplistic shit, “well, McCain says it’s easy, and he’s a Senator and everybody on TV seems to think he’s really smart, so it must be just that easy.”
And particle physics is easy once you accept the dual nature of light as both particle and wave….Sorry, that’s as far as Norm let Lillith get when she tried to explain to him
Jeez, I didn’t think it was *that* obscure of a gag.
Oh…you mean it wasn’t *funny*. Never mind…
Snarks crossing in the night…
Kevin Drum had a good flashback post today, McCain saying that his solution to Iraq was to tell the Shia, Shiites and Kurds to “cut the shit”.
Wow. That’s… really statesmanlike. I bet FDR told England and Russia to “cut the shit” at Yalta. I bet Jimmy Carter told Begin and Sadat to “cut the shit” at Camp David.
Maybe we need an official “Cut The Shit Doctrine”.
Eli @ 156, in the World According to Boadicea, publically funded campaigns are the goal.
They’ll give rise to another set of problems, no doubt, but frankly, I’d like some new shit to deal with rather than the same old, same old.
Darkblack @ 157- Yes, master. I hear and obey, master. (Enjoy that sentence while you can, it doesn’t come out of my keyboard often…)
Charley @ 169- You can come join me in the Political Romantics corner, and we’ll dream big dreams about how the world will work one day.
But let’s not forget we have to build it out of the materials at hand right now.
Boy, I’m metaphoralicious tonight, aren’t I?
Well, time to go make a salad for dinner and try to avoid kitty stink eye for being at the computer so long.
Sweet Dreams, firepups.
Jane, I read about that rumor. Perfect graphic and headline.
LindaR,
His name is William McGuire
There’s a realllly long url for the Forbes article that I’m too lazy to type out so just clicky
http://tinyurl.com/rvzpp
Kevin Drum had a good flashback post today, McCain saying that his solution to Iraq was to tell the Shia, Shiites and Kurds to “cut the shit”.
Oy, that’s like the Onion “Our Dumb Century” thing, with Frank Sinatra calling a press conference to tell the Soviet Union to “knock it off, pinkos, or it’s ring-a-ding-ding for you bozos”…
Somehow I think Richard Feynman would have loved Jane doing particle physics … just sayin’
I have a theory on the whole funding of progressives thing …I think the “liberal” funders think that the only people worth working with are those who can afford to work for nothing … whereas us wage slaves (even high priced ones) are not quite up to their standards.
Isn’t it late enough for T-Rex’s post yet? I am falling asleep but I would like to read it.
oPP @ 159,
Here’s your link:
http://archiv.vulgo.net/index……p;sid=1102
Eli 182 said Maybe we need an official “Cut The Shit Doctrine”.
I believe Bush just enunciated that doctrine to Tony Blair at the G8 in St Petersburg.
I believe Bush just enunciated that doctrine to Tony Blair at the G8 in St Petersburg.
Yes. Yes, he did.
The Democrats are the ones most in need of it, though.
boadicea @ 184:
There is only one master of us all…Mindless obeisance to be performed at regular daily intervals during one’s incessant socialist plotting is recommended.
;>)
Thanks, Mason McD. It’s kind of disconcerting that he keeps referring to Rice in the masculine. I guess he can’t fathom that “a girl” could write a thesis in that discipline (even a bad one).
oh, siun, (186) that is just disheartening.
John in Sacramento — that is beyond my ability to process. “I have no response to that.” And how many people will literally die because they can’t afford medical care!
Things like that make me wish for a nanosecond there was a hell for people like that guy and the board that voted him the $$.
late nite up now
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..alph-reed/
Eli >”…Maybe we need an official “Cut The Shit Doctrine”.”
Then we would need some staff to inform us when to use which knife to cut through which piece when and so on
“…playin with matches in a pool of gasoline…” – Swamp Mama Johnson
op99,
I think the reviewer is slavic, and probably doesn’t recognize “Condoleeza” as any sort of traditional name.
Which I guess it isn’t.
BUSH SUCKS…
It’s of course illegal to write that on a dollar bill or any other paper currency…. so, never mind ; )
hey, is firedolake becoming like eschaton west coast?
anyway, i’ll end my blathering with…
BISCUITS!
it’s our country, divided tho it is, we should have a say in how it’s run. and not to sound like one of the rightwhiners, but considering what i’ve seen from their side i am not entirely opposed to the idea of revolution.
i mean what choice is there when you’re confronted with the definition of bi-partisanship as being “daterape”. diplomacy, compromise, liberal, all good words.
one last thing via the ‘fallacy’ discusion the other night. i probably wouldn’t care, but “we” are losing the so called “war on terror”, and worse, being changed fundamentally as a nation. that’s why it makes a difference.
ok, i lied, BISCUITS!
Loosehead
I am so, so, so sorry to hear about your losing the pup, and the jeopardy the other one is in.
We’ve lost some little ones, too, and it just seems like such a . . . such a damn waste.
I’m really really sorry.
FWIW, I like the formula that’s canned milk, yogurt and egg. They seem to do well on it, and yours has already gotten the colostrum it needed, I expect.
TRex 116
The Stratfor Group is right here in River City, er, Austin, TX.
Mr. LittleDog has been going there for the best info for a long time.
FWIW, he used to read that Israeli insider outfit, Debca?, but they couldn’t have been more wrong about Saddam, the WMD and the beginnings of the Iraq invasion, so he doesn’t put much stock in them.
I have no reason to think so, but I’ve always wondered if Adm. Bobby Inman has something to do with Strafor. He’s here, too, and he seems (still) real connected with the intelligence community.
Some months ago, I started a discussion at Salon Table talk after I noticed letters to the editor here in South Dakota so goofy they read like satire. Unintended satire now has something in the neighborhood of 2000 egregious examples.
Salon Table Talki..Letters Unintentional Satire
Sometimes the seriousness of the actual problems is obscurred by the flood of idiocy…which also amplifies the seriousness ironically.
Epiphany. Essential reading.