
Update: Crooks and Liars has the video.
It seems that the President of the United States needs a visit from Emily Post.
While munching on a roll, George Bush had a conversation with Tony Blair about Hizbollah cutting out their "shit." So much for that born-again veneer…this deciderating and Presidenting is hard work. (And the fact that the curtain gets lifted from the "moral majority" act for public consumption is just a side bonus, I suppose, since neither Bush nor Blair knew the microphone was on. And we continue now in the "do as I say, not as I do" Administration…)
Some choice Bush-isms from the conversation:
"See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this [shit] and it’s over," Bush told Blair as he chewed on a buttered roll. (emphasis mine — and if you think the description of the President talking with his mouth full, with another head of state no less, is classy, wait until you see the video for the full-on ick.)
Or this gem:
Bush expresses amazement that it will take some leaders as many as eight hours to fly home — about the same time it will take Air Force One with Bush aboard to return to Washington."You eight hours? Me, too. Russia’s a big country and you’re a big country," Bush said, at one point telling a waiter he wanted Diet Coke. "Takes him eight hours to fly home. Russia’s big and so is China. Yeah Blair, what’re you doing? Are you leaving."
Perhaps we could get him a geography tutor as well as Miss Manners? And then there is this:
Later, Bush said he felt like telling Annan to telephone Syrian President Bashar al-Assad "and make something happen.""We’re not blaming Israel and we’re not blaming the Lebanese government," he said.
Yep, it’s all blame the UN and take all the credit for yourself in public. But who do you think about calling when you can’t get anything done on your own, because you’ve squandered any potential for goodwill around the world by acting like a petulant child, making piss poor decisions and failing to adequately plan or follow through on anything? Yep, that would be the UN. Hypocrisy, thy name is Bush.
And here’s a lovely one:
Bush also said that when he next spoke to G8 leaders, he would keep it brief. "I’m not going to talk too long like the rest of them. Some of these guys talk too long. Gotta go home. Got something to do tonight," he said.
Because, you know, other world leaders just sit around and twiddle their thumbs when Bush isn’t around to give them marching orders and all…they don’t have anything to do with their lives. Except run their own damn nations and try to salvage what is left of the shreds of treaty obligations and international law and cooperation after five years of BushCo in the world driver’s seat. (Jeebus. Some days, it is all I can do to not despair at the low ebb of American influence under the steering of these idiots. How is it that we all sit here with the entire rest of the world either laughing at the bozo in the Oval Office or so angry with us that it will take years to rebuild the very alliances that kept us secure and strong during the worst of the Cold War. Five short years…for this. Blergh.)
And poor Bushie, having to talk with other world leaders about matters as unimportant as global financing, third world development, oil and energy prices, and a crisis in the Middle East…let alone coordination of evacuation plans for foreigners from Lebanon (which is going on as I type this morning, btw)…well, clearly none of that is as important as George Bush getting back to the White House for…what, exactly? A nap? More bike riding? Snuggling with Pickles?
What’s your guess as to what was more important to the President of the United States than practicing actual, on the ground diplomacy with face-to-face discussions with the world leaders among whom an agreement could be a very powerful means of structuring some attempt at a ceasefire or even, dare I say, efforts toward a long-term strategy for foreign policy initiatives in the future? Any guesses at all?
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Seems like he really enjoyed that pig.
CNN said “shit”! What is this world coming to?
David at 1 — I don’t know why, but that absolutely cracked me up. I can hear your voice dripping with sarcasm in the typing. LOL
ugh.
fitz!
Thanks Cristy – It is like he wants this firestorm to continue unabetted.
25,000 U.S. citizens in Lebanon are getting the “George W. Bush is on vacation” treatment. Time for some cake and air guitar solos to bide them over until Chimpy and his All Star Band can get back into work-mode and decide that peoples lives are in danger.
-GSD
CNN sure has been playing up this video — I guess the ixnay on the ideovay fax hasnt arrived from KennyBoi Mehlman …
Yo, Blair!
[ed. by CHS — I’m going to save you from yourself on this one. Word to the wise — don’t even joke about putting things in Presidential food. Especially not in writing on a public board. I’m just saying…]
No, but seriously, any American who says that they approve of the job that he’s doing would, by definition, be considered certifiably insane.
Seems it’s ok to say shit now that dear leader has done so, CT Bob. The FCC be damned.
“this decidering and presidentering”
rich
OOh, should have seen my local talking head newsmodel make all kinds of excuses for Dear Leader. Sickening really. My guess is he knew the mic was on, and needed to throw the word SYRIA in there. It’s a neocon dream don’t ya know. WWIII yahoo.
I think it was a deliberate attempt to bolster his “tough cowboy” image…
The link to see what would send Emily Post to hospital with shock and the vapors.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0717.html
-GSD
He has to get home before the Rapture, don’t cha know.
Reply to Thomas E. Mann WAPO 7/18
Democratic Wave Building
Sir,
That was a very interesting article in today’s WAPO. All things being equal, you are probably right (About 06). However there are two things to consider:
Grover Norquist seems to think that they’ll pull Ossama bin Buggin’ out of a bat cave on Halloween. Or…
Considering that Henry Waxman has over 50 investigations of the Administration pending on his desk, and folks at the White House are probably loath to see John Conyers driving a truckload of subpoenas, my money is on BushCo trying to rake up some lame excuse for declaring Martial Law.
There are probably such wild cards on both sides. For instance, Busby/Bilbray CA/50 is headed for a hand count that will be the first real audit of a “black box” vote. This will likely shine a bright light on vote security nationwide and end up as a huge headache for Republicans.
To say the least, this is going to be an interesting year.
David Teller
The Subway Serenade
http://teocawki.blogspot.com
Does W think he’s the mack-daddy of the world now?
“Yo, Blair” means what, exactly?
What “They” need to do? Who are “they” ? Isn’t he the “leader of the free world” or does he mean the real preznet, Cheney, or, or Who?
Anyone remember that Biblical passage about killing people with “the jawbone of an ass”? I think it applies here.
It’s gotten to the point where he’s acting like he’s on vacation even when he’s not. Maybe he should just stay on vacation until January 19, 2009.
the FCC does not regulate cable TV so the word “shit” may be used but will it get played on the national broadcast TV newscasts? we shall see, I guess …
Cowboy Diplomacy is Dead!
Long Live Horseshit Diplomacy!
Somebody put the horse in charge… please
I think he’s got to hurry back home so he can get on with the partying… a bottle of Jack is calling his name…
The man is an embarrassment. He should be confined to a cage and not be let out for unscripted free time in public view.
What’s he going to do next? Moon Ahmadinejad through the bullet-proof glass?
This shouldn’t surprise anybody. Good luck finding ANY frat boy with decent manners.
Bush and Blair. Never before has so few, been so stupid.
Every time Bush says “shit” his approval rating goes up 2 points.
The Shit Bounce will be temporary, I expect.
W is probably rushing home to attend a Scooter Libby defense fundraiser.
Well, if he has something important to do tonite, won’t he still be on the plane with the sandbag (Condi).
Weren’t the corrupt and deranged emperors of a declining Roman Empire marked by ruthlessness, gluttony and coarseness?
I was shocked to hear the president’s potty mouth on CNN. The FCC must be notified! They won’t fine Dubya, but perhaps they’ll fine CNN and they will think twice before airing Bush live. Turnabout is fair play.
Angie says: “Seems it’s ok to say shit now that dear leader has done so, CT Bob. The FCC be damned.”
Actually, if CNN was governed by the FCC, I’d write them a letter. But they’re cable news, not affected by FCC rules.
Now if FOX broadcast TV runs the unedited video, I’m gonna fire off a complaint to the FCC instantly.
Of course, I’d have to actually WATCH Fox TV to know that, which I can’t bring myself to do. If anyone hears Bush say “shit” on FOX-TV, use this link to file an online FCC obscenity complaint:
http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cib/fcc475B.cfm
Jus’ tryin’ to help!
The hideous part is that the Kidz at the Korner will spin this as “George is a regular guy. Just a plainspoken, no-nonsense Texan.”
Not only has Mr. Bush damaged our country’s reputation and undermined our principles, but he has tarnished and coarsened his office. In the words of the Deciderator (love that word) “See, the irony is, this was the guy who was gonna bring dignity and shit back to the Oval.”
for a man so concerned with healthy bike-riding and stuff, what the hell is he doing eating buttered anything? butter aint heart-friendly food!
I’m personally most offended by Bush’s derogatory attitude to Kofi Annan and the UN. After the Mighty Wurlitzer spent so much effort in 2002 trying to deligitimize the UN, hearing Bush act like he should be able to order Annan to do his bidding is quite disgusting.
yes puppethead — Roman emperors really went into a tailspin after Christianity became the official state religion…
This is way off topic but I want to thank all the commenters from Saturday morning’s “Pull up a chair” thread.
I’ve only posted short comments twice but I always lurk. You are a wonderful group of people. I love the snarks, intelligent thinking, and articulate writing. But what I most appreciate is the kindness you show each other — a very nice community.
I was in a funk on Saturday morning and you made me feel mcuh better! Thanks!
JL
Yes, this guy the GOP geniuses put in power is incredibly shallow, vulgar and stupid.
The one comment of substance (about Syria and Hezbollah) seems not to realize that Syria and Hezbollah are allies, and that Syria is unlikely to try reining in Hezbollah at Bush’s request, or that Hezbollah would be unlikely to listen to Syria if it did, or that the degree of Israel’s response is perhaps part of the issue. He also doesn’t seem to notice that the level of Israeli response reflects on us (Israel’s largest foreign aid donor) and forecloses our options while making the Iraq situation even worse. In fact, he seems not to appreciate any of the gravity of the situation, concentrating on idiotic and irrelevant banter and complaints that these other people talk too much.
Bush just thinks if he can lean on the Syrians enough they’ll make his problem go away.
Anyone who voted for this clown, especially in 2004, has no excuse.
And to think the house brought articles of impeachment against clenis for a fib about sexing an intern. Talk about the good old days.
it is quite obvious that Bush has become bored with all the presidentin’…
if someone will promise him baseball commisioner, will he leave?
CNN is beginning to glom onto the ‘trapped Americans’ angle — they even mentioned Christian parts of Lebanon are being assaulted! Jesus, Joseph and Mary!
I’ve long said some noble nubile young Democrat in DC needs to seduce the Preznit so we can impeach him and get this nightmare over …
Frank @ #19,
I’m not familiar with the quote, but the “ass” part seems appropriate…..
Great post:
1. I don’t believe this “didn’t know the mikes were on” bullshit. It’s a photo op and they don’t know it? But Blair does cuz he turns off the mike.
The mike is there, sitting in front of both of them.
This is just more “tough talk” from Bush. He wants to “send a message” and this is how the Chimpmeister does it. They are faaaarrr too careful to blab on an “open mike.” This is carefully calculated.
I mean, c’mon: a photo op that they didn’t know about? When has that ever happened? You think the world leaders of the most powerful nations on the planet have a foto op and don’t know about it?
2. It’s all Bush’s usual AIPAC crap: We can’t blame Isreal. Isreal can bomb Gaza and Lebanon, kill civilians, destroy infrastructure ALL OF WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEZBOLLA and it’s Syria’s and Iran’s fault?
These lies are Iraq all over again. Where is the fact checking?
3. My guess is he has a mountain bike ride or a baseball game to watch. Or sex with one of his butt buddies like Jeff Gannon or Victor Ashe.
http://www.rense.com/general63/gad.htm
http://www.rense.com/general57/newbook.htm
Frank Probst at 19
Really great Bilblical reference.. :)
The Bush family really needs to learn how to eat—what with all the open chewing, puking, pretzel choking and all.
BUSH to BLAIR: “You see, the … thing is what they need to do is to get Syria, to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit and it’s over”
I agree with the “shit” part. Really. The “shit” part is fine. War is certainly shit. But…
Irony?
The word “irony” makes as much sense in Bush’s context as “Disassemble”. He is scary-stupid.
Could the fact that this man is ignorant on so many levels indicate a unique form of genius in itself?
I think most Texans have better manners than Shrub.
Just sayin’.
Can we get Dick Cheney on the buttery bread bandwagon?
-GSD
Hey NSA. Just kidding!
Did Bush use the word “irony” around those chunks of roll and butter? Oh, the irony. I didn’t think Repugs knew the meaning of the term. Come to think of it, I don’t think Bush used it properly.
I can just imagine Tony Blair thinking to himself, “If that wanker says ‘Yo, Blair’ to me one more time, I’m going to let the air out of his bike tires.”
I think the U.S. is happy to have Israel doing the heavy lifting trying to take out Hezbollah, and that’s why we’ve stayed out of the picture, and Bush hasn’t even called Olmert.
What is inexcusable is for us to have left the 25,000 Americans in Lebanon to fend for themselves, while the governments of other countries got their people out ASAP. Can’t imagine this abandonment is making the administration any friends, but maybe they figure Americans who would voluntarily reside in Lebanon aren’t worth saving.
What a mess, and how humiliating that it appears there is no policy, no diplomacy, no real interest in taming the emotions and level of violence.
B-b-b-but I thought our Prez was born again and had family values??? What about all those FCC cases against radio stations that broadcast stuff like this? Oh my!
Here we are. Judges 15:15: “And he found a new jawbone of an ass, and put forth his hand, and took it, and slew a thousand men therewith.”
Puppethead says: “Weren’t the corrupt and deranged emperors of a declining Roman Empire marked by ruthlessness, gluttony and coarseness?”
Did Caligula ever jerk-off a horse?
-GSD
As far as being protective of his “personal time,” Bush has got to be the most selfish President we’ve ever had. Sleep, exercise, vacation. He’s not even bothering to sell it all as helping him make sharp, “crisp” decisions anymore.
Tom 45
“This is just more “tough talk” from Bush. He wants to “send a message” and this is how the Chimpmeister does it. They are faaaarrr too careful to blab on an “open mike.” This is carefully calculated.”
What if they were both a little drunk?
Fox is playing the chimpy clip and beeping out the expletive. However, their attitude (kell surpreeze) is almost pride in his “man talk” – one reporter saying you can hear that kind of talk out of Bush almost everyday.
So, according to Fox, this is just Bush, a manly man, expressing his “toughness” and frustration – it’s all good – move along….
Maybe Chimpy is expecting a new X-Box model ……I hear he can’t polay those video games he likes when he is in a foreign country.
WHAT A FRIGGIN IDIOT WE HAVE FOR A PREZ!
I too think this was intentional. Anything we think is absurd and will surely sink him is a hit with the base, evey time save Harriet Meirs. They don’t give a rip if he cusses; all the moral stuff is a front for ALL of them (shortcut to some self esteem). We are dealing w/ ignorant redneck/human hybrids and they love this kind of SHIT.
Thanks, Christy. You couldn’t have expressed my same sense of outrage and embarassment better if you were a mind reader.
Jawbone of an ass, guess Judges is talking about the nearly dead democratic party, neh?
SaltinWound – what fascinates me (in a creepy sort of way) is how Bush seems to be so concerned with what’s for dinner… I still haven’t recovered from all that pig business… that his dinner is somehow more important than events in the ME…
eat a cracker or somethin’!
Hey, JL — try out the tzaziki recipe from Sat’s Pull Up a Chair…it’s great!
Christy — I share your frustration. This guy is beneath abominable. He reminds me of a freshman college frat party I attended–for a few mintes, until one of the jocks gave me a ride back to the dorm. Too much even for the football team, why he was a cheerleader no doubt. And likely would have been the one peeing off the rafters in the pony barn.
Mark my words, any minute now Bush will be pounding the desk with his shoe.
JL at 8:54 am –
Welcome!!! Thanks for posting, and please post again!!!
GSD: Caligula was quite the moralist! He married that horse first …
Alice, and a shoe made just exactly where? China?
Bush using the word “irony” reminds me so much of Joey on ‘Friends’ trying to use air quotes when he has no idea what he’s doing. And even when he finally does it right, it’s completely accidental.
Just like chimpy – “ironic,” huh?
Good luck finding ANY frat boy with decent manners.
Hey, I resemble that remark. Don’t’cha know, that’s why I hang out here with the potty-mouthed bloggers?
A’ course, that was about 30 years ago…and we were a pretty sorry excuse for a frat…
From a story in ToL, here’s . . .
Note that this puts the “Because obviously if she goes out, she’s got to succeed, if it were, whereas I can go out and just talk” speech in Blair’s mouth. And the Poodle looks almost as bad as the Chimp.
An eternal truth: plans are being made to evacute foreigners from Lebanon. How many times have we gone through the Lebanon routine. What goes on there? I guess the Syrians are right, the geographic area named the Lebanon which largely coincides with the country call Lebanon is actually part of Syria. In fact, it always was, until the ‘West’ (France, most notably) decided in the past century we needed a place for Christians, an outpost of the civilized world which the Crusades failed to achieve. What a bunch of tired, self-serving nineteenth-century political pretensions.
OT, but lots of good posts at TheLeftCoaster — including another from eriposte on the 16 word yellowcake scam –
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/008227.php
The more I think about this the more I think this is intentional. The give away is the way the MSM is playing it over and over. They wouldn’t be doing that w/out at least tacit approval. They want to show the base here what the administrations REAL intentions are. Syria. (and Iran). And, of course, to “look tough” and show that Cowboy Diplomacy is in fact, alive and well.
*ilson46201 says: “yes puppethead — Roman emperors really went into a tailspin after Christianity became the official state religion…”
July 17th, 2006 at 8:53 am
Did the inception of the Roman Empire’s decline occur when Marcus Aurelius died in 180 AD? According to this account (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Romana), the Pax Romana ended either then or when Commodus died in 192 AD.
Caption for Bush/Blair photo:
Y’allta Summit
“In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way.”
– Franklin D. Roosevelt
Bush’s complete ignorance is astounding.Jaw dropping astounding.If there is an actual diplomat left in Washington, he/she must be jumping up and down waving their hand for attention. Where the hell is Condi? So, apparently, We are just going to sit and watch while Israel ‘takes care’ of this ‘problem’?I guess we should all be thankful for the income as they have to re-arm eventually.
Looking at pictures of him at the G8, he reminds me of the Gov. William J. LePetomaine character, played by Mel Brooks in “Blazing Saddles”.
Frank at 19!
!!!!! Fabulous !!!!!
lotus @ 70 transcript – Bush certainly treats everyone else as his subordinate, doesn’t he?
*ilson46201 says “GSD: Caligula was quite the moralist! He married that horse first …”
July 17th, 2006 at 9:11 am
Was that the same horse that he appointed as consul? (I think that’s the way the story went.)
SPCPA: I carefully did not state when the decline started but noted an acceleration after 323 or so with Constantine and successors.
My coolest new factoid is about the Saracens besieging Rome in 846 where St.Peters (outside the city walls) was sacked! Rome itself never fell to the Moslems … I never realized they got that far north in Italy …
Stephen Parrish –
Reading the wiki thing on the Pax Romana, it seems like it is an artificial construct, created by historians. Lots of wars, rebellions, and other military actions — but nothing that brought the war home to Rome itself.
Kind of like Vietnam as the centerpiece of the Pax Americana. With 9/11 and Iraq, Bush has ended the Pax Americana, and has hastened the day of American decline across the board.
Fucktard.
about Caligula making his beloved horse a Consul — sorta like Bill and Hillary Clinton, eh?
Oh, god.
Can we impeach him now, please?
Pretty, pretty please?
I have to wonder if, during my life time, enough Americans will come to realize that our blind support of all things Israeli, is not in our interests. No matter what the outcome in this latest act of monstrous bloody oppression and repression of the Arabs, engineered by us and our proxy, look for retaliation in this country and the rest of the world. And the horrible thing is, it plays right into the hands of Karl Rove and his Israeli cohorts. The real axis of evil is the United States, Britain and Israel.
Have any polls been done on this latest Mideast fiasco?
Short and sweet Tommy, I like that.
BUSH is totally what John Dean refers to as a “DOUBLE HIGH” authoritarian, in the sense that he fakes his religious convictions for political gain.
YES, we did already suspect (read know) this was the case, but it is nice to have psychological terms to apply to his maniacal show.
Was that the same horse that he appointed as consul? (I think that’s the way the story went.)
That’s where repug nepotism and cronyism comes from – the great Roman tradition of appointing their horse spouses to high office. It’s true, I read it in Victor Davis Hansen book.
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Lucky Firepups, you get me all morning cause my AC system is being replaced, and I can’t study when it’s over 95.
Big ol’ AMEN on that tzatziki recipe!
I feel completely queasy watching that clip. Just hearing the Chimp speak the names of various countries in this context gives me the creeps. No word about civilian casualties either? Chimpy probably doesn’t care.
Patriotboy has a post on some of the killed Lebanese families and the reaction of Raptureland posters.
ronaldo @ 89.
Ha, yeah, exactly what i was thinking. I’m reading the Dean book and just read the chapter that indroduced the Double High term. That’s it, he’s hall of fame Double High, mixed w/ some untreated alcoholism and ADHD.
Tom Delay might be the worst ever Double High though.
I found a new acronym over at TP.
“PNAC:
President’s Neocon Asshole Coalition.”
Comment by Zimzone — July 17, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
I like it, alot.
-GSD
I don’t know about you folks but the last time I ate and talked at the same time like that was right after I turned 7 years old and right before I was slapped across the table by my Grandmother. This guy is 60 years old and acts like he was raised by a slightly retarded moose. When the fine folks in the White House were giving him all of those policy tutorials early on in his presidency did no one pause to think to give him a couple of tips on table manners?
Oh, and when exactly is he going to get around to restorin’ dignity to the White House? ‘Cause I’m still waitin’.
What is really sad is that we had the leaders of eight of the most powerful nations in the world in together in one place as Israel sets the Middle East alight with its overreactions, and, besides a mealy mouthed press release or two, they did nothing.
With Bush, his ignorance and lack of interest in dealing with the actual content of his office can be a surprise to no one by now. His lethargy to Americans at risk in Lebanon from Israeli bombing once again shows how hollow his and the neocon bluster is about protecting Americans and being strong on defense and national security. 25,000 Americans are in danger and all Bush can think about is a pig.
What is even worse about the ‘evacuation’ of American citizens from Lebanon is that they will have to pay for their trip out. The Feds haven’t said how much it’ll cost to get an airlift to Cyprus. They’ll be billed later… And once in Cyprus, they’ll basically be on their own from there. Although the US has consented to grant emergency low interest loans for those that need financial assistance to get somewhere else.
Hopefully the link will still work – can’t find the article on CNN with ‘manual’ search: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/…..index.html
Here’s a secondary link: http://www.thenews.com.pk/upda…..sp?id=5486
It’s just like when Wilma sideswiped the Yucatan and the 2004 tsunami…. US citizens need to fork over the cash or you don’t get to go home…..
I don’t know how the mildly-Bush voters of ‘04 (especially) can stand themselves by now. The true wingnuts are one thing, but those who just said eeny-meeny, or who bought the Swiftboat crapola — their skins must be crawling.
Dom Telay 96 – you insult the moose…even the retarded ones show more intelligence
*ilson –
The Gothic mercenaries that worked for Rome were from the Gothic kingdom on the island of Gotland in the Baltic Sea. According to The Origin of the Svear, the kingdom of Sweden was created by unemployed Roman Generals, who moved north from Hungary in the 6th Century. Beowulf is in part the story of the war between the Svear and the Goths; the Svear prevailed.
There is runic graffiti carved into a railing in one of the palaces or churches in Istanbul — kind of a Rus “Ingvar was here” message from some 11th Century Norskes.
In 1072, Adam of Bremen was hangin’ at the Danish Court, where he heard the latest buzz about the Greenlander’s discovery of North America. They called it the “Hop” (for the hoop bay where Eric’s sons spent the winter). The story made it back to Rome, and the Pope appointed someone to be Bishop of the Hop — no evidence that he ever visited, but still.
[/historic trivia]
Lewis Lapham once observed that we live in a world populated by only two people, a place where Bush the Actor need only please Bush the Audience.
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Cute.
Raw Story: ‘Military leaders see Iraq exit in 2016′; Soon…
Questions, given freely to some enterprising MSM reporter, for W upon his triumphant return from the G-8:
“Do you kiss Joe Lieberman with that potty-mouth?”
“Do you kiss your wife with that potty-mouth, and if so, which wife, Pickles or ‘Sleeza?”
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Had Enough?
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Blair: He is honey. And that’s what the whole thing is about. It’s the same with Iraq.
Can anyone decipher the above? Who’s honey?Not Kofi Annan, right?
Jew hater!
(just kidding, but it is the new “You hate the troops if you’re against the war!”).
*I have nothing to base this on, but I’ll betcha the twins can’t stomach their father.
‘YO’HAYDUKE @ 93 :
keep reading . . . it gets much scarier!
BUSH is suck a piece of SHIT–a completely spoiled rich arrogant shithead.
it seems as though bushco greatly DESIRES this crisis… as a win win win scenario… CHRIST returns–check, more war=more$—check.
OH, SHIT, is my mike on…
GSD says: “I found a new acronym over at TP.”
July 17th, 2006 at 9:34 am
Everyone – please read the current post at ThinkProgress, from which GSD quoted an excerpt from the current post’s comments: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..-east-war/
Coming in way late with no chance to catch up, so I apologize if either of these have been said before…
1) Bush really seems like the kind of guy I’d like to have a buttered roll with. (Hm, that sounds a bit dirtier than it was supposed to…)
2) Christy, I hope you’ll be able to do a followup post on what was so important tonight that Bushie had to rush home for.
Taking a moment to de-lurk from my summertime business madness…
Oh, man, is there any hope at all? How can we have someone this stupid and this…rude…representing us? And to have otherwise smart people defending him. And the press going along, day after week after month…
So many problems to be solved, NOW. So little ability (let alone will) to even consider them.
The headline in the LA Times this morning said it clearly:
More death. Our leader doesn’t care. He doesn’t consider a cease fire to be the answer, or even a beginning. Just kill ‘em all, he doesn’t care.
What the hell can I/we do at this point? I just feel dispair.
OK, now back to the ringing phones, trucks loading, employees needing direction. Thanks everyone, in spite of my comments, your smart, witty, compassionate dialog gets me through…
I’ll never be able to look at a buttered roll again . . .
Damn You, Preznit Bush!!!
with a nick nack
paddy wack
throw the dog a scone
this ole prez came roll-ing home
For all those marveling at how Bush can be willing to let himself be viewed as some kind of goober moron: this from KathieinMN last thread, too good not to repost:
by George Lakoff, Marc Ettlinger and Sam Ferguson
(c)The Rockridge Institute, 2006 (We invite the free distribution of this piece)
“Progressives have fallen into a trap. Emboldened by President Bush’s plummeting approval ratings, progressives increasingly point to Bush’s “failures” and label him and his administration as incompetent. For example, Nancy Pelosi said “The situation in Iraq and the reckless economic policies in the United States speak to one issue for me, and that is the competence of our leader.” Self-satisfying as this criticism may be, it misses the bigger point. Bush’s disasters — Katrina, the Iraq War, the budget deficit — are not so much a testament to his incompetence or a failure of execution. Rather, they are the natural, even inevitable result of his conservative governing philosophy. It is conservatism itself, carried out according to plan, that is at fault. Bush will not be running again, but other conservatives will. His governing philosophy is theirs as well. We should be putting the onus where it belongs, on all conservative office holders and candidates who would lead us off the same cliff.”
“To Bush’s base, his bumbling folksiness is part of his charm — it fosters conservative populism. Bush plays up this image by proudly stating his lack of interest in reading and current events, his fondness for naps and vacations and his self-deprecating jokes. This image causes the opposition to underestimate his capacities — disregarding him as a complete idiot — and deflects criticism of his conservative allies. If incompetence is the problem, it’s all about Bush. But, if conservatism is the problem, it is about a set of ideas, a movement and its many adherents. ”
Anne @51: Slight rewording: “What is inexcusable… is that the US is happy to have Israel doing the heavy bomb dropping…”
One Flew East
One Flew West
George Knows Best
Than All the Rest
He Is The Cuckoo Nest.
marksb, if it makes you feel the least bit better: you’re not alone. I woke up in that mode this morning, having gone to sleep in it. But we plug through the day with help from our littermates, and every little while, we cook up an idea that we can put into action to make it better.
Prairie Sunshine’s mantra, a stone at a time . . .
Good Mornin’ Firedogs,
been away pretty much for a week, and all it did was deepen my appreciation for this place, y’all, and the island of sanity that is the blogosphere
don’t really have anything to add to the already spot on commentary other than to tell you all the majority of middle class Central Texans I deal with everyday are HORRIFIED by the C Student Frat Boy’s response to what is going on. One family has a son summering at a kibbutz and the Israeli’s literally threw him and the other students in military transport headed south – and although straight up Zionists, both parents are disgusted by the lack of statesmanship. Two others are visiting professors from Univ. in Beiruit – equally disgusted by claims State Dept. is running around like chicken w/it’s head cut off – and unless the storyline somehow changes dramatically in the course of the day’s news cycle, the Americans at Risk meme will be all over network news tonight
-heckuva . . . nevermind
In an earlier, some might say more elegant, time there was a word for people like this: Boor. Bush and his enablers are boorish. They are rude. They have no class.
That’s all.
Dom Telay 96 – you insult the moose…even the retarded ones show more intelligence
Birdman(@100), I wrote that comment in the passion of the moment. I do apologize to all the mooses in the audience, and to lovers of the mooses everywhere. Right after posting this comment I will be donating beaucoup bucks to a proper Moose charity.
*I have nothing to base this on, but I’ll betcha the twins can’t stomach their father.
I think that’s a toss-up at best. They don’t seem all that intelligent or self-aware, and I’m sure they enjoy their cushy, responsibility-free lives
Hmm…maybe I give frat boy in chief too much credit with his use of the word “irony” but in one context perhaps he used it correctly? It was just last year he called for Syrian troops, influence, and presence to pullout from Lebanon after 27 years and now he says he needs Syria (the same country he said should get out) back to end this sh*t.
Or on a more sinister and tinfoilish side of things..maybe he says it’s ironic that they need Syrian intervention to stop this sh*t because he and his neocon henchmen(and Blair too?) have plans drawn up to bomb Syria anyway.
Anyway, one thing is for certain the man…errr I mean frat boy is an embarrassment!
Thanks for testifying to the power of tzatziki, gang. I think maybe the Syrians should offer up a nice version of the same dip to Bush to soften up that dry roll with which he was so obviously struggling. Syrians call yogurt cheese labneh, believe they also use it for a spread like Greek tzatziki. Diplomacy by food…hey, it could work, certainly worth a try at this point.
Up in the Great White North on vacation right now, spotty access to internet and on dial-up (ugh). Fortunately the temperature dropped this morning (and how, by 12 degrees inside 30 minutes), will actually spend time outside away from computer and the shade. Hope you FirePups are staying cool whereever you are.
what was more important than diplomacy? he jes’ wanted t’ git home to his own widdy bed and put his head down on his piwwow.
The “irony” is Bush. And whoever “they” are obviously excludes Bush & the US, making him & us, weak & unnecessary in major world affairs. Gone were the days when the US “was” the main decider & mediator & influencer. Truman, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy – they showed the world & the world looked up to them.
RIGHTEOUS tzatziki, Rayne! Have a good time up yonder!
http://www.moosecharities.org/ for real!
Rimone – sadly, I think you are probably correct
Bush had to rush home and oil the chain on his bike.(And hope,hope, hope,the brakes).
Morning Firepups,
So the Embarrassment in Chief is at it again. Quelle surprise. Grownups in charge, my *ss(’s jawbone).
Rayne, it’s not going to be a cool day here – it was 70 degrees at 6 a.m. But as *ilson faithfully reminds us, it’s much worse for our troops in Iraq. At least most of us have some kind of a/c or a way to get away from the heat.
Eli, all signs point to you being correct, but kids/young adults can really sniff out hypocrisy; even though they’re spoiled brats and seem incredibly shallow, I wonder.
Idle speculation for sure. I’m probably just projecting how I would feel if he was my dad. *shudder*.
Awaiting moderation??
Grumble grumble…
Hummus Diplomacy . . .Someone get the dipshit outta here !
oops, what the heck is that? Double blockquote. Yikes.
it’s 9pm in Baghdad and the mercury is still up to 107ºF — with a war going on nearby on Lebanon, it’s gonna get hotter …
I forgot to tell you guys something that happened yesterday. I went to a party and one of the couple’s had a daughter who had just turned 5. With me, I brought the little girl and furry green backpack with a furry green frog attached to the front of it. To match, a bought 2 nerf ball frog tennis rackets and slipped them so that they were sticking out of the backpack and attached a big bow on all this.
Anyway, later on, the mother came over to me and thanked me.
Mother: That was really nice of you to give her the backpack and don’t think I missed the religious message.
Me: Religious message?
Mother: Well, FROG means FULLY RELY ON GOD…
Me: Geez…sorry for that
Mother (looking stricken) Don’t APOLOGIZE! I love it!
end of conversation.
We are talking about a pretty wealthy lady thanking me for my thoughtful god gift. Is it me or is the world spinning too fast?
Y’all have, once again, taken your eyes off the ball. This brouhaha does nothing to help us win back the House and/or the Senate. It’s simply a way for the press to report on the President without having to actually say anything that matters.
The more useful response to this absolutley nothing story would be to ask the media outlets why they’re reporting gossip column gotchas while avoiding the elephant in the living room.
HELLO!!! THE MOST VINDICTIVE PRESIDENT SINCE NIXON IS BREAKING LAWS THAT WERE PASSED WHEN NIXON MISUSED THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE APPARATUS TO SPY ON HIS POLITICAL OPPOSITION!!!
But by all means, let’s tsk-tsk about the fact that he talks the same way the rest of us do in private. That’ll help
I think that’s a toss-up at best. They don’t seem all that intelligent or self-aware, and I’m sure they enjoy their cushy, responsibility-free lives
One vote for Eli’s take.
[whine]Haven’t I been moderated yet??[/whine]
Do Frogs Rely On God?
Jenny at 129, they are young. And despite everything, they may yet become decent human beings. I’m not willing to convict them for their parents’ crimes, nor for being young and immature, something most of us have been guilty of at one time. Time will tell.
cc, it’s too fast fer me is all’s I kin tellya.
and TOAD stands for Ticked Off At Dumbasses?
OT,
Google news reporting 2 hrs ago another tsunami in Indonesia. 7.0 earthquake. at least 6 dead,dozens more washed out to sea.
http://news.google.com/news?ed…..amp;ncft=0
Leslie in CA -
I’m very neutral about the twins, to tell you the truth. I don’t mean to sound harsh. I agree with you.
No kidding lotus. We are doomed. What will it take for the House to begin proceedings for the big “I”…., I wonder. Frogs falling from the sky like I saw in some movie not too long ago.
Other things heard at photo op:
“”"IT TAKES YOU 8 HOURS, TOO?
WOW! the EARTH sure is BIG, huh?
Oops, sorry, i need ta git back to the white house–it’s white, ya know–and take a shit somthin fierce.
YO, SheRock! Did ya know that a FART–this is a good in–a FART is the lonely cry of an imprisoned TURD.”"”
ccmask -
“Magnolia”. I loved that frog scene.
If the president says it, then it is not obscene.
Okay, stick a fork in me, I’m done. Just googled “FROG FULLY RELY ON GOD”
Results 1 – 10 of about 253,000 for FROG FULLY RELY ON GOD.
Frog-Fully Rely On God Shirt.
Clown ministry skit for 4 or more clowns, teaching to FROG — fully rely on God.
With “FROG” now being used to stand for “Fully Rely On God”, my frogs mean more to me than ever! Frogs, as well as Cowboys, have been used in my life in a ..
FROG Bible Crafts FROG => Fully Rely on God. Message: Let god help you deal with your problems. Bible Quotes and other saying: …
Oy, vey.
ccmask, jeebus. Now they’re drafting the poor amphibians? Nothing is safe from their proselytizing predations, I tell you.
Leslie 138
If Jenna and not-Jenna snap out of it and become decent human beings, they wouldn’t be the first kids of horribly disfunctional parents* to turn out way better than their folks.
Sometimes only one kid in a family makes it out, but that one kid can be an amazing person.
* It’s not just George. Not only is Laura supposed to be a chain smoker, but apparently she’s a compulsive straightner and cleaner.
Nope, nothing wrong with that family. Nothing at all.
the Preznit “declassifies” just about any social occasion by virtue of his mere presence.
poor George doesnt realize its only 500 miles between Moscow and St.Peterburg…
Oh, yeah Jenny. Magnolia. I just loved that movie. Great cast!
the “oy,vey version” is Fully Rely On G*d…
Wilson 153
Which means Pooty is probably being driven home. That’s not something Junior would have thought of.
Frogs= FUNDIES RETIRE ON GRAFT
Now FROG March has a whole new meaning…
hey Bay Areans – a reminder about the Jon Tester meet-n-greet fundraiser at the WashBag in SF this afternoon. I’m going to try to hop over there for that.
Rumor has it that fearless leader Kos will be there.
*ILSON: LOL Why am I laughing?
I’m very neutral about the twins, to tell you the truth. I don’t mean to sound harsh. I agree with you.
The harsh was coming from me, not Jenny. If they don’t turn out like female versions of Daddy or Uncle Neil or (shudder) Gramma Bar, I’ll be shocked.
ayldt at 151, exactly. Biology and family are not (thank G-d!) destiny. Speaking of Laura, someone close to the family (can’t remember if they were quoted by name or not) said, “She’s a nice lady with a lot of problems.” Sounds about right.
Bush and Cheney are big enough wankers that I think we demean ourselves by saying anything at all about their families. They could have the most wonderful families in the world, but it wouldn’t change the fact that they really suck at being president and VP, no?
peace,
jim
Gotta go home. Got something to do tonight
See, that’s another thing about diplomacy–it gets you way behind in your drinking.
“The largest evacuation since Dunkirk!” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5186076.stm
I know that I am more than willing to accept the worst from this bunch of hooligans in charge, but if Americans are trapped in Lebanon and/or Israel, and get hurt, or worse killed in this conflict, what will Bush do? He wouldn’t do that purposefully [leave Americans in harm’s way] would he?
Will he use it as an excuse for something else? Or am I just on a really bad low today.
Christine @ 97: I couldn’t believe that when I heard that the U.S. citizens evacuated by helicopter to Cyprus would have to PAY for the ride, and then they could catch a commerical flight home from there. If there are any to be had, of course.
I suppose I can buy that bit about a commercial flight from Cyprus. But what is this about making people the U.S. governments evacuates from a war zone PAY THE GOVERNMENT?! That strikes me as rather insane, especially since the State Dept. is telling U.S. citizens in Lebannon that they shouldn’t try to drive out on their own because the roads are so dangerous, meaning they might get themselves blowed up when trying to leave.
“Sure, we can get you out of harm’s way. Um, how much money you got on you there, Ted? I assume you want to take your wife and charming daughter along with you?”
re: Jenna and not-Jenna… as grandma used to say: “The apple don’t fall far from the tree.”
Just sayin’
grandmatoo #18 – Good catch. The use of the throwaway “they” inclines me to think that this was intentional, like tom #45 says. He’s just trying to show that he’s “folksy” and “concerned.” Those pampered world “leaders,” with their banquet and servants are just having a good ol’ time while the Mideast boils.
Sickening.
Would “Fully Rely On Dubya” be more properly acronymmed “FROW” or “FROD”? I kinda prefer the second one from a phonetical perspective.
OK: Verdun, Kirk.
GrandmaJ -
See: Katrina. SIGH.
more folk wisdom about Jenna and not-Jenna — As the twig is bent, so grows the tree!
Leslie 162
I know someone who used to teach with Laura when they were all single.
She said back then Laura was “a hoot”.
One weekend, L went home to Midland and came back on Monday and my friend said she announced, “I met the man I’m going to marry and I’m never going to have to work again.”
if Americans are trapped in Lebanon and/or Israel, and get hurt, or worse killed in this conflict, what will Bush do? He wouldn’t do that purposefully [leave Americans in harm’s way] would he?
No, you’re not on a really bad low. I ain’t saying that he’s actually thinking that far ahead, mind you. But if the shit hits the fan, look for more howling from the Bushistas that we have to “hold the terra-ists responsible”. Which I think will consist of a lot of smiling and nodding while the Israelis kick more civilian ass.
happy to reserve all of my Bush family disgust exclusively for the Preznit (well, an exception for heart-of-stone Babs)
Edward Copeland at 31
I was wondering the same. Great minds . . .
Seriously, heh heh, the 1st time might be labelled an accident. But CNN’s apparently re-playing this fratfollies thing over & over, complete with concurrent transcript of the – um – dialogue. (I swear – turned the telly on just a few min. for laundry-folding company, & there it was, just a short while ago. HURRY Mehlman! This is a major crisis! Homeland security? Hello?!)
Shame on CNN! Isn’t this voyeuristic journalismic mayheck to the nth?
That’s no titty-bauble malfunction; that’s a man-size biscuit with a chomp by chomp transcript!
S’pose jr’d just pardon ‘em, tho, or bestow another medal of freenesstiddy.
S’pect lotsa folk ‘r joining me spell-checking embarass- vs. embarrass-, embare-? So it’s a learning experience all ’round. no?
Intriguing also to have them go on & on & on in the conversation, Blair in perfectly coherent, complete sentences, and jr. – well – being hisself in all his glory.
When’s he put on his puffy-shirt for the finals?
egad… laughing & crying at the same time …
Call me crazy, but I think it’s offensive that everyone’s rushing in to evacuate their citizens. Obviously I understand it, but jeepers, the people in Lebanon are human beings too, in harm’s way. Who’s evacuating them?
Emily Post couldn’t help Bush, a video cut like that just reenforces the fact that no matter what the color of the lipstick you put on Bush, he’ll still be a pig.
ayldt at 151, exactly. Biology and family are not (thank G-d!) destiny.
I agree. I just don’t see any signs that either of the Bushettes are chafing at their cushy, meaningless lives. They seem to have embraced them instead, a la Paris Hilton.
zeppo – I suppose I can buy that bit about a commercial flight from Cyprus. But what is this about making people the U.S. governments evacuates from a war zone PAY THE GOVERNMENT?!
2 words: Air Halliburton
49 I wondered if anyone shared my opinion about them setting up this little piece, knowing the cameras and microphones were operating. No way they didn’t know. Blair was standing leaning over while Bush was sitting there giving example of his “decidership” (”king-ing”) the world. Why wouldn’t he have been eating at the same time others were eating? He couldn’t let go of his buttered dinner roll long enough to talk to Blair. In his brief bit of conversation you could make out the words “tell Kofi (Annon) to tell Syria …” (I paraphrase) He is showing his “dominance” and impatience with his subjects, thereby enflaming them. PNAC wants Syria and Iran to attack Israel and he’s “taunting” them in his “conversation” to do just that. Thereby his justification for his long sought war with Syria and Iran.
Yes, Bush is just dumb enough to think the UN and the G-8 will be fooled by this exercise of his jawbone. He is dealing with intelligent people who are snickering up their sleeves and wondering what he’ll try next. I’m sure he thought they could hear him better, but it was hard to decipher what he said. The photo of him “sucker punching” a soccer player, in order to win comes to mind. Maybe it was not soccer, but a field game of some sort. Is is possible he thought this tape would not be available to our MSM?
We can hope he’s been on the media just too much, and his antics are recognizable, and there are not too many “suckers” left to be fooled by him.
It just reminds me of some quote I heard somewhere from a hardline Israel spokesperson: “One Israeli fingernail is worth 1,000 Palestinian lives.”
I’m Jewish, btw. Not that it matters.
Hi Anne Holliday –
Last night, you asked a question about Barbara Boxer, no?
Anyway, I had some additional thoughts on our current state of affairs.
The Long March of the GOP Right Wing, that began in 1964 with Goldwater and has brought us the Bush Reich in 2006, was predicated on three principles:
* Purging the liberal and moderate Rockefeller Republicans.
* Controlling the process with right wing shock troops and think tanks.
* Browbeating the media into submission.
This has given us a Republican Party that is in a permanent state of war, waging jihad on anyone and anything that stands in their way.
The Democrats on the other hand, took their majorities for granted, and did nothing to build for the future. Liberal Interest Groups (NARAL, PP, Sierra Club, etc) are more concerned with access than action; therefore their is no punishment for Democrats who play kissy face with GOoPers so long as they score well on the checklists.
For Democrats, the Congress is all about process — vote the right way (or wrong way) on coathanger Sam Alito, then go home. It’s just another day at the office. For GOoPers, it’s all war all the time — the right wing groups keep everyones feet to the fire, and it shows.
And this is why Barbara Boxer is clueless about the loathing of Lieberman. He’s a good process Democrat, what’s the problem?
The problem, dear Senator, is not his scorecard, but in his votes and attitude.
The center of political gravity is shifting, and you ignore us at your peril.
ayldt 174, not an uncommon sentiment for her generation – though I suspect she found being married to GWB was rather more work than she anticipated.
punaise 176, yes, Barbara has earned her own share of condemnation. Katrina alone would be sufficient.
ok, since the popular opinion here is the Bush is beyond a jackass for these comments, please tell me why he’s wrong. The delivery was perhaps less than stellar, but what’s wrong with the message itself?
From what I’ve read in the NYT, Hezbollah’s been dumping missiles into northern Israel for nigh onto 20 years now, modified Katyushas that they’re getting from Iran who themselves got them from the USSR back in the Iran-Iraq war. This is world war 2 technology, designed more to scare than to kill. However, current rocket attacks (like the ones that struck Haifa) are a newer rocket with a more destructive payload. Basically, Israel got tired of the mosquito biting it in the ass, and decided to swat it, because sometimes mosquitos carry Yellow Fever (among other things).
Even the Arab governments, with the exception of Iran (who supplied the missles in the first place) are all calling on Hezbollah to stop being jackasses. The phrase I distinctly remember is that these governments prefer the devil they know (themselves) to the devil they don’t (Iran and a budding Shi’ite fundamentalism that’s been let out of the cage by our jaunt in Iraq).
It seems to me that this is that burgeoning movement of Islamic fundamentalists who have stated that the Israelis lack the common decency to commit suicide for being Jewish. Israel is striking back with inordinate force because until recently, that was their general behavior in these matters. I say until recently, because my understanding is that they made several key concessions to Hezbollah recently, including a prisoner transfer in 2003 for 400 Lebanese in exchange for 2 or 3 Israelis, as a show of good faith, that was apparently seen as weakness.
So why is the president wrong in saying that Hezbollah needs to cut this shit out? While it’s true that he’s essentially the one who let the cat out of the bag by removing a regime that was keeping its thumb on these people, why should that give them carte blanche to attack Israel now?
(I’m not saying this to be flamebait, though I realize it may come across that way– more like I’m genuinely wondering about these things. I don’t like knee-jerk reactions, either from Wingnuttia or from Moonbattia (or whatever the hell they call us)).
Howzabout some GOOD news?
was involved in massive evacuation effort for both Bell Helicopter and Motorola employees/families at the time of the Iranian Revolution – President Jimmy Carter did not, I repeat, did not make those Americans pay their way home – and our airline really put it to the gubment in terms of costs
maybe b/c for the 3 weeks leading up to the Shah’s departure – CIA/USAID/Savak types were telling everyone “Maintain Calm, All Is Well, pay no attention to the thousands in the street protesting everyday, even though the crowds are increasingly middle class – the Shah and his govt. will be fine”
btw, think GrandmaJ is implying the Chimpster is willing to let more than a few Americans die (Remember the Maine !) to incite anti-Syrian/Iranian sentiments
zeppo – I suppose I can buy that bit about a commercial flight from Cyprus. But what is this about making people the U.S. governments evacuates from a war zone PAY THE GOVERNMENT?!
2 words: Air Halliburton
With Babs as flight attendant,”Gee, this is working out pretty good for you”.
Adie 177
The thing that knocks me out about CNN playing this clip over and over is that Junior is this way EVERY SINGLE DAY of his patheric life.
Tucker Carlson has him cursing out Judy Woodruff in front of her kids at a Dallas resaurant. (As well as mocking Carla Faye Tucker)
Somebody has him answering the question of what he and Poppy talk about with “Pu**y”.
He has been a hound dog all his life, including shooting the finger numerous times in public, talk that would make sailors and dog show people blush, picking his nose at a baseball game, and daily denigrating anybody and everybody he feels threatened by.
He is played up by the press as witty, yet his humor would make a ten-year-old wince.
My point is that if CNN had played up his daily muffs and gaffes like they are playing up this one, he would never have come close enough to be appointed by the SC in the first place.
What do you suppose is the difference?
Eli at 180, I have to disagree that they’re following in Paris’s foosteps; of late, at least, that hasn’t seemed to be the case. And one of them has become a schoolteacher, which is something that requires actual work, no matter how cushy a school you might be employed at, and is going to teach in Latin America for a year. Not saying that makes her any kind of a special sainted person, but it does perhaps indicate a willingness to grow up.
Leslie 185
I am in Laura’s generation, and I found that attitude stupid even then.
Another one I never got was the way some mothers coached their daughters on how to “catch” a man. This seemed to me, even as a teenager, to be a losing proposition.
I mean, why would you want someone to marry you who didn’t want to? Wouldn’t that insure a lifetime of misery?
mmr – I suggest you read some more reliable sources than the NYT to form your opinions.
Then perhaps google Shabra and Shatila – here’s one link to get you started:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1779713.stm
and that’s a sanitized version … note that Israeli troops stood a short distance away while this slaughter took place
mmr at 185
For me at least, the problem is that its grossly oversimplifies the situation and to some degree only states the obvious without any kind of plan of action/responsibility by the US. Most everyone agrees that Hezbollah has close relations with both Syria and Iran, so to some degree there is some leverage Syria can use. However, due to our lack of foreign policy competence we have no carrots to make Syria try to stop it, and by going to war with Iraq we have only make Iran (who we obviously have no sway with) stronger in the region and thereby stronger with Hezbollah . For him to be saying that “only if Syria would make them stop” everything would be okay is farcical because his actions have helped precipated this crisis and he has no plan to stop it, except by hoping Syria will pull a rabbit out a hat.
9:00 pm in Bagdad and it’s 103 deg. That’s kool. These are not really people we’re dealing with anyway. I need a nap. Besides, the heat in Iraq helps with the “cleansing”.
Seems to me Blair threw a little dig at Condi–that she needs to get on the job. I wonder if she can fit diplomacing in between her work-outs, manicures, pedicures, shopping, being coiffed, waxes etc.
mmr : those Katyusha rockets you allege scare more than damage ( mere WW2 technology) — they are cheap and effective — the Soviets used them massively on Berlin and we know how that worked out !
If, in fact, the exchange between Bush and Blair is truly unscripted, the thing that makes my blood run cold is the total detachment of Bush. He sounds like some guy at the local biker bar, who has no control (and less understanding) of world affairs.
He would like “them” to get Syria to lean on Hizbollah (and as a commenter above pointed out, the irony of having kicked Syria out of Lebanon just last year, seems to have evaded him). And he “feels like” asking Annan to take a hand in mediating. Good God, he’s the POTUS (or is he?).
Blair sounds like an intelligent, if rather nervous and obsequious, greyhound trying to suggest some potentially live-saving measures to a testy water buffalo. You know, things just might spiral out of control if we don’t do something NOW. He seems to be suggesting that sending in Rice is a good idea, but making the arrangements will take time, and if she goes in and fails, that’s a blow to US prestige. Whereas, if he (Blair) goes in right away, he can prepare the ground, keep the principles talking, maye cool things down, or at least keep matters from totally disintegrating, while the US gets its act together to send in Rice.
In all, not an exchange to calm my fears about the current mid-East situation.
Re: Bush’s table manners
At least he didn’t throw up on somebody like his father did with the Japanese prime minister.
I still wonder if this is just not an excuse for Bush to start something with Iran. Phase 2?
new thread
siun– We could keep going back into history and find multiple massacres on both sides. What’s the sundown on these things affecting ourselves? Probably never.
I like the situation there as two stepchildren, Palestine and Israel, were forced to live in the same house when their parents (Britain and the allied powers after ww2) told them they had to. Israel was the bigger kid, and had recently gone through a lot of abuse, and wasn’t going to take any shit from the smaller kid. The smaller kid has a gang, tho, of other kids in the neighborhood, and now the bigger kid finds that he has to constantly be on the lookout. He may pin down his little stepbrother, but while he does that, his back is exposed to the other kids…
Perhaps simplistic, but not entirely inaccurate. That particular incident was a really terrible thing, and I suspect that there will be more to come.
choochmac– OK, so we have no leverage on the region. But that doesn’t change the fact that the shit-disturbers in this case are Hezbollah, not us. That we can’t do anything to stop it is a regrettable result of Bush’s total fuckup in foreign policy, but the underlying cause isn’t his fault.
I learned something about Condi a few months ago that I didn’t know before. I knew she was from Birmingham, AL, but I was not aware that she was friends with one of the little black girls that were killed when the Baptist Church there was bombed.
That’s a really interested road to have traveled in one’s lifetime. I wonder about those beginnings, and how she ended up in part of one of the most radical, far right administrations this country has ever had. It just seems to me that the tendancy, after something as potentially scarring as that when she was 11 or 12 (your basic “formative years”), would be to become very ademocratic eglatarian, focused on helping the poor and downtrodden in our country, of which there are many. What happened?
mmr at 185
Billmon’s had some great posts lately — but the latest goes to the heart of your question. These excerpts from Gideon Levy in Ha’aretz is a good summation:
http://billmon.org/
http://billmon.org/archives/002533.html
Who Started?
We could have withdrawn from Gaza through negotiations and coordination, while strengthening the existing Palestinian leadership, but we refused to do so. And now, we complain about “a lack of leadership?” We did everything we could to undermine their society and leadership, making sure as much as possible that the disengagement would not be a new chapter in our relationship with the neighboring nation, and now we are amazed by the violence and hatred that we sowed with our own hands. …
After all this, if someone still has second thoughts, the winning answer is promptly delivered: “They started.” They started and justice is on our side, while the fact is that they did not start and justice is not with us.
Maybe this post should have been titled, “Don’t talk.” Mouth full, mouth not full – doesn’t matter – what comes out is never particularly helpful to anything.
Bush has no interest in the deep cultural and religious aspects to Middle East relations and diplomacy – for him it’s all about “stop(ping) this shit.” And while that may be the short version, and it may make sense at that level, it just doesn’t work that way. Bush has been under the delusion, aided and abetted by the likes of Cheney and his minions, that he just needs to use a show of force and all will fall into line. None of us is surprised that that isn’t happening (see Iraq), but that’s because we know more and understand more than the person who holds the fate of millions of people in his ham-handed hands.
Not sure we’re going to survive the next two years.
ayldt 192, I couldn’t agree more; I never understood it myself. Didn’t mean to excuse her for it, just saying she wasn’t alone.
MMR – I think the ridicule of Chimpy is directed at the fact that he, as the preznit of the US, Israel’s main supporter, could ask, or even demand, that Israel cease fire. But of course he hasn’t. Maybe they wouldn’t listen maybe that would, but we won’t know.
It is the total lack of leadership in the present situation and the ludicrous and ridiculous policies that have, even if he tried to exercise leadership (which assumes he or anyone on TEAM LOSER has that ability, which is a big assumption), that we have real political or military persuasion, let alone moral suasion, with anyone in the world.
Siun – Massacres of civilians (or even non-civilians), even by proxy, are a bad thing, and the Israeli’s were wrong to allow it to happen. That still doesn’t make any of Hezbollah’s, or any other group’s, attacks on Israel right. Cause if you are arguing that Hezbollah’s attacks on Israeli civilians or kidnapping of soldiers is justifiable b/c of past wrongs, and that “payback” is a bitch and Israel deserves, your really arguing the Israeli point at the moment.
mmr
“Hezbollah’s been dumping missiles into northern Israel for nigh onto 20 years now”
For 14 of those years, Israel was occupying part of Lebanon. It did not get out until May 2000. It did not leave a disputed area known as the Shaba Farms. Nor did it release all of its Lebanese prisoners, some of whom have been held for more than 20 years. Hezbollah has confined most of its attacks to the Shaba Farms area. I have heard in at least one story that the most recent attack took place in this area. Israel for its part as it has done in the West Bank and Gaza continued to assassinate Hezbollah leaders. I have no idea why this should piss them off.
“Basically, Israel got tired of the mosquito biting it in the ass, and decided to swat it”
As Israel’s 18 year occupation in Lebanon has shown, the current military operations are not going to destroy Hezbollah so the swatting part is mainly going to happen to civilians, their homes, their roads, and their livelihoods. I suppose this is the Israeli version of winning hearts and minds. In the long run, it is likely to make Hezbollah even stronger. The Shia BTW are the majority in Lebanon but underrepresented so do the math.
Israel’s belief that the situations in Lebanon and Gaza can be resolved through military force shows the deep philosophical connections between Israel and neoconservatism. Even after 18 years of occupation in the one and 39 years of occupation in the other, they still have this belief that peace loving people that they are if they go in and shoot things up one more time those other people will learn their lesson and everything will turn out OK. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is one definition of madness and explains a lot about the current situation.
Up-thread someone asked who B&B were referring to as “sweet” and a “honey”. I read it as another head-of-state, and there are only two there who would praise and encourage them on their mid-east policies, Canada’s Stephen Harper and Japan’s Junichiro Koizumi. Can’t imagine anyone calling Harper sweet and a honey, so that leaves Koizumi…he’d probably performed his rendition of “Just let me be your Teddy Bear” the night before….
ck 203– good article, thanks for the link. I’m starting to see a bit more behind the fairly complicated issues here. It’ll take me a bit to digest, though, since it’s pretty radically different than the other things I’ve read.
epu 206– My point was that I didn’t see a reason for him to tell Israel to stop. He sees Hezbollah as the aggressor here, as do other Arabic states, so they, logically, should be the ones to stop. That we lack non-military means to do so is a failure of foreign policy, to be sure (even if we ever had those means with Syria or Iran), and therefore his failure, but given the current playing field and the perception being generated by CNN and NYT and others, it would seem asking Israel to back down would be not the right call.
Hugh 207– I agree that always turning to the military is not the right call (and I didn’t know that about the Shaba farm area, I’ll have to do more looking into that).
It seems like there’s a kind of prisoner’s dilemma going on in the world, with hardliners all thinking that the other hardliners are going to rat them out. The prisoner’s dilemma goes like this: Confess, get 5 years. Don’t confess, get off free. If your partner confesses, though, you get 10 years, but if you confess and they don’t, you get 2 years, but if both confess, 5 years for both. These neocon hardliners always opt for the confession route, trusting that it will get them just 2 years instead of neverending trouble with their former partners.
I seem to be full of analogies today. I hope they make sense.
In any event, both Hezbollah and Israel seem to be irritated to the point of violence about the mere existence of the other, and I’m not sure how that would play out, given the broader aspect of the powers behind this conflict.
He wouldn’t do that purposefully [leave Americans in harm’s way] would he?
Grandmaj, I guess BushCo already did that with Katrina, so some worry is totally justified in my opinion. Maybe not purposefully, but lethally negligent perhaps?
185 mmr
ok. Here’s some background. This is not a knee-jerk reaction: (I copied the following from bradblog.com comment:
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Once again, the “facts were fixed” ahead of time. That happened probably when they were at Camp David and had their “pose”. Bush swaggered up with the hands in the old gunslinger position. Said a word or two to the reporters, then snuck away on a different helicopter and surprised the boys in Iraq. A peculiarly excited countenance on Rumsfeld though, an aura of breathlessness of tyrannical secrets abrew, was upon him. Either that or he lost control of his bodily functions and his little shoe-boots were sloshing.
Bush wants to go to war with Iran, but it would look as uncouth as Iraq was, and we have no great wealth and won’t support it. Timing for the G-8 meeting was no happenstance. (Of course, it was planned!)
Israel had been pushing and shoving a bit for some time, but no over-action until Bush was “eating pig” in Germany. Were we surprised? Not. Bush says, “Stay the course” in different words, but same. He meets privately to schmooze with Pootie, as he called his Russian friend, (attempt to work up a deal.) Stepped in it a wee bit with Putin, received a public slap or two from it, but still all are smiling and laughing for the photo-op. Putin had a more professional demeanor,(a more serious face.) They may have had too much of the vodka. Bush would not let Russia into the WTO however, so not “Disaster accomplished” yet.
So, it was Syria’s and Iran’s fault for everything that is happening between Israel and Lebanon. Can we wonder why protestors in Israel were screaming, “It’s George Bush! He’s the one behind all this!”
Bush would not dare to jump into a preemptive war again, Right? So, what could the maestros of this messy scene have in mind? … Anger Iran and Syria enough, perhaps, just perhaps, their foulest dreams would come true! They might attack Israel, and then, the father of all nightmares for us all. The G-8 would back Bush to begin the war on Iran and Syria that MSM has been hoping for. The first description of a missile into north Israel was that it was a “silkworm” missile. I have not heard that used since.
Coreesa has been squawking about this being their “script” for days in comments to various articles over at HuffingtonPost.com. She thinks these staged events will knock out our upcoming elections if the script is successful. She’s right!
I’ve got a question or two:
What if the Iranians and Syrians don’t act accordingly to their anticipated (psych-ops) moves and attack Israel?
What if they just sit back and watch as Bush is doing, so to speak?
What if the G-8 and the UN do not back Bush in the beginning of this war described as WWW III? Sanity and better judgment just could prevail!
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Hopefully this will clarify why there should be NO fighting. It should stop because everyone fighting and being slaughtered on both sides are PAWNS.
mmr – How about “two wrongs don’t make a right.” It goes a long way in diplomacy. If Chimpy’s argument is “well, Hezbollah started this,” then Hezbollah simply responds “No, the Israeli’s started it.” All that get’s you is endless retributive violence.
Coreesa 212: Of course they’re pawns. The question remains, though, whose pawns they are.
If this is a proxy war, like Iran/Iraq was for the US/USSR, this could be a vetting of technologies and ideas.
If there’s a joining of neocon movements in our government and Israel’s (one that wouldn’t shock the hell out of me), then this could very likely be another attempt to goad Iran into war, as you’re suggesting. Not sure where they think they’ll get the resources for such a war, and therein lies the fundamental problem: they’ll need another Pearl Harbor or 9/11 to get people to enlist. Pictures of Haifa getting bombed may not do the emotional job on Americans, but I’m sure it works well on Israelis, or at least a certain segment of Israelis. Of course, they’re all in the army anyway, as a condition of being citizens…
My read remains: We’re overstretched. We can’t do anything if Iran decides to up the ante; Iran knows this, which is why they’re forcing our hand through Hezbollah’s attack on Israel. Israel responds aggressively, as they are wont to do, and we end up with this conflict. If it escalates, this is only good for Iran and Islamic fundamentalists who want to see Israel removed once and for all. So, as long as they’re starting stuff, they should stop it. They aren’t gonna, because there’s nothing really we can do about it, and nothing anyone else can do about it. Israel knows this, which is probably why they react as forcefully as they do; it’s the equivalent of a puffer fish puffing up and shooting out spines to discourage predators.
I’ve recently read An End of Faith, and I have to say, I don’t see much of this ending without most of the religious hardliners on both sides (all three, if you count the Christian nutballs) going the way of the dodo so cooler heads can prevail. That may not happen without war knocking them out of it, assuming that those hardliners don’t just get replaced by the next generation.
Good Lord!!! A little potty mouth talk and you pull your skirts up over your heads. You folks are pathetic.
Neil at 214 — Fuck you. How’s that? It’s not the potty mouth, it’s the hypocrisy. Wake up, and smell the deception.
For a sense of genuine uneasiness, juan cole’s comments on all this: http://juancole.com/
Ain’t he just the common man? Amidst all the “atta’ boy, George” comments, Halliburton stocks bumped ever so slightly – a clear sign cowboy diplomacy is as vibrant as ever. No wonder he can still raise money for the GOP. He knew darn well the mic was on.
As stated above, mmr:
“Bush wants to go to war with Iran, but it would look as uncouth as Iraq was, and we have no great wealth and won’t support it. Timing for the G-8 meeting was no happenstance. (Of course, it was planned!)”
We are PAWNS of PNAC. Project for a New American Century.
Neil @ 214:
Great post, but wrong audience. Please contact the Family Research Council or Parents Television Council with the same message, if you’ve got the balls.
Watching the footage of President Bush speaking to Tony Blair at the G8 summit, I have to say, the expletive he used is the least of what bothered me.
As he sat sprawled out in the chair and chomped his food with his mouth open, my immediate thought is that he looks like he’s either drinking again or medicated, which would also explain his performance at the German press conference, where he couldn’t stop thinking about that pig. Was it the munchies?
If he isn’t stoned, if this is sober George at a world summit, God help us all.
And what he did say didn’t help. Is this really the best the leader of the free world can come up with, “Get Syria to get Hezbollah to cut out this sh*t?”
That’s it?
Well, why didn’t someone think of that years ago! George just solved the problem!
Next he can fix poverty, “Them poor people just need to get some money and cut out that sh*t.”
And immigration, “Them furriners just need to be from here in the first place, no sh*t!”
Does the phrase, “sh*t for brains” have any relevance here?
This man is our main representative to the world? What a fucking embarrassment. No wonder everyone hates the United States.
mmr, you said:
“My read remains: We’re overstretched. We can’t do anything if Iran decides to up the ante; Iran knows this, which is why they’re forcing our hand through Hezbollah’s attack on Israel. Israel responds aggressively, as they are wont to do, and we end up with this conflict. If it escalates, this is only good for Iran and Islamic fundamentalists who want to see Israel removed once and for all. So, as long as they’re starting stuff, they should stop it. They aren’t gonna, because there’s nothing really we can do about it, and nothing anyone else can do about it. Israel knows this, which is probably why they react as forcefully as they do; it’s the equivalent of a puffer fish puffing up and shooting out spines to discourage predators.”
I posted above a comment from bradblog.com which really answers your question:
“So, what could the maestros of this messy scene have in mind? … Anger Iran and Syria enough, perhaps, just perhaps, their foulest dreams would come true! They might attack Israel, and then, the father of all nightmares for us all. The G-8 would back Bush to begin the war on Iran and Syria that MSM has been hoping for.”
But with his transparency by being himself with microphone open, which I believe was staged to anger Syria and Iran, he should have ruined the show.
I’m sure it’s too much to hope far, but perhaps this little incident will help Bush understand what it feels like to have someone listen in on your private conversation without your knowing it.
Kyle @ 223: Good point! But I bet that little bit of irony will be lost on Bush. Nuance isn’t the only thing Bush doesn’t do. Add irony, critical thinking, self-examination….
“…Gotta go home. Got something to do tonight,”
Yeah, important stuff like riding His bike! Don’t these inconsiderate people know Dear Leader needs His exercise? How dare they waste His time with trivialities like world trade and Mid-East violence…
G-8 and UN just might be sympathetic enough to back Bush in attacking Iran/Syria should a false scenario which PNAC created cause Iran/ Syria to attack Israel. — Would Iran/Syria see through all this, and resist attacking? — Could UN and G-8 see through this madness?
We know Bush’s normal pace is impatience. We have an election coming up in Nov. and he must get this going, to accomplish PNAC’s plan.
BWAHAHAHAHAH!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
Vladimir your such an effin genius you
sly thang… I’ll bet a zillion bucks
they left the mikes on, erm, on purpose.
Can you imagine? They were so fed up with
listening to all that mr know it all smarty pants bullshit hot air blowing in from Texas
telling everyone what to do that Vlad just
had to pull a tried & true KGB trick: the Putin equivalent of candid camera. It’s the russkies answer to the ‘Just wait’ outburst. They were all like, yo, just wait yourself, dude.
Bush as president is a head of state. As such, his manners should equal the queen’s own.
Blair is a commoner, a head of government.
His manners should be those of his people.
…and your little dog too… 190
Apologies for huge delay – got called away to loooong phone call from bro. Hope you’re still around, or come back. Got the musings below started before the call, & will just finish it off for what it’s worth…
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I can’t quite get a clear handle on what the difference is, either, in how CNN, & a bunch of others, treat w. I have returned to lurking in the tvnews scene a little more, recently, to try to figure out what they’re doing, & how, what with all the recent anchor & ownership changes. Seems a mixed bag (none of it good), and probably will be in flux for some time now.
Networks obviously wanna play at being “with-it” with the blog scene, sometimes with unintended, rather hilarious results. A lot of the anchors, even more ’seasoned’ ones, are lurching around almost at random, with their coverage & slants on stories — maybe trying to use poll indicators to improve their own ratings??? what else? That’s all I can figure.
Maybe they’re feeling whip-sawed tw’ white house pressure & great mysterious forces they can’t understand emanating from the dreaded blogmonsters. I just wish they’d report real news, straight and honest, but everyone seems to want to spin these days, & be distracted by faux news.
Agreed, everything I’ve ever turned up points to this week’s ugly display by w being the ‘norm’ for him always. Molly Ivins pretty well nailed that for me (Bushwacked, etc. etc.). Nothing new, except handlers usually manage to muffle it somewhat in public. Still, that awful sneer, the hurtful nicknames, speak volumes. No one’s buddy, really. Totally lookin’ out for #1. Always an undercurrent of anger & resentment, boredom, restlessness of a spoiled brat used to being entertained.
I don’t know what to make of all the comments from people saying the openmike performance was deliberate. Looking at the clip, it seemed Blair was quick, yet very calm & deliberate in turning off that mike – didn’t show any hint of surprise/shock that it was on. But then, he’s a very smooth, cool guy. Jr. seemed oblivious, literally. New thot? Would Blair have left it on on purpose, without telling w, in hopes the “real” unvarnished w would indeed be heard.
maybe a poodle, but a sneaky one?
gotta go. talking too much w/o making sense.
Thanks for your thots. Sure helps to mull things over with the folks here.
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