. Let's Party: First off, we're going to be having the much-talked about FDL drinks get-together here in New Haven next Thursday evening, July 20. CTKeith arranged for us to meet at the lovely Owenego Inn in Branford (you can see it here).
Time: 7:00 pm
Address: 40 Linden Avenue, Branford, CT
Please join us, we will have some very special guests and there will be plenty of opportunity to mingle with local bloggers, get the low-down about what's really going on here on the ground and find out ways you can help the campaign. The energy here is really great, I'm having a ball and I hope everyone who can make it will show up and enjoy the enthusiasm that pervades this groundbreaking grass-roots campaign.
. Anything But Substance: Lieberman merde-flinger Sean Smith desperately tries to distract from the issues in a debate against Lamont campaign manager Tom Swan, who says Lieberman's new "kiss my ring" party is a vanity party no different than vanity license plates. Watch Swan get pissed at the smug lies: "The last candidate who tried these cheap political gimicks was John Rowland." (If you don't know who Rowland was, here you go.) If Lamont actually wins this race, most folks will credit the "W" to Swan. Watch him on the YouTube above (thanks to Scarce).
. Desperation: The New York Times has a portrait of Lieberman up that makes him look like such a sad, desperate loser you almost feel sorry for him. That Judas kiss? Killing him. Then his colleagues come out and start patting his hand and calling him a "great man" and talking about what delicate flower he is:
Friends say his predicament has left Mr. Lieberman nervous, dispirited and angry, a portrait of a politician stunned to face opponents as passionate in their loathing of his principles as he is proud of them....Mr. Lieberman’s allies discuss him these days with a tinge of sadness, as if mourning a kindly gentleman who has wandered into a bad neighborhood.
This is the man who told rape victims to take a hike. Have they actually read any of his campaign literature? Honestly the bubble these people live in is staggaring. (And BTW, what a pack of sissies. Geesh. You'd think people in leadership positions would be too ashamed to cop to this wimp-o-rama.)
. Meanwhile, the local press shows that they are light years ahead of their national counterparts when it comes to covering this race. While the NYT clutches pearls, David Lightman of the Courant dismantles Holy Joe's claims about his progressive voting record:
By the numbers, Joe Lieberman is a true, consistent Democrat.
He votes with Democratic colleagues almost all the time. His record gets him high marks from interest groups close to the party, from the AFL-CIO to the NAACP.
But dig beneath the votes and there's plenty of ammunition for critics - including primary challenger Ned Lamont - who say Lieberman has a habit of straying from the party when it suits him.
He broke with the region's Democratic senators on a key energy vote last year. He has embraced a position on Iraq that few Democrats share. He has questioned bedrock Democrat-backed programs such as affirmative action and Social Security. He voted against a filibuster that could have blocked the nomination of Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.
And just this week the senator launched his own political party so he can still run in November even if Democratic voters rebuff him in the Aug. 8 primary.
Holy Joe offers up some "courage of my convictions" blather but it's less than convincing. He votes with his own party when it doesn't matter, and sides with the GOP to savage progressive causes when it does and the scorecards he quotes do not reflect this obvious fact. Kudos to Lightman for highlighting that.
. More Choicepoint: The Journal-Inquirer recently had a good article about how Lieberman tried to fob off bundled contributions from defense industry contractor employees as "individual contributions" in a fundraising letter to his supporters. The military industrial complex certainly knows how to get it's money's worth, doesn't it?
. Raphael J. Sonenshein, writing in the Jewish World Journal, has one of the more insightful articles about Lieberman's complicity with the Bushies you are likely to read:
The Bush-Cheney team reviles Democrats of all stripes, whether left, right or center. Bush, however, has a long history of picking out and cultivating individual Democrats, like a wolf culling a weak sheep from the safety of the flock. That way, no concessions need to be made to Democrats, generally, while the impression of bipartisanship remains.
On Medicare, Bush played on Sen. Ted Kennedy's (D-Mass.) ego to get the reform ball rolling, and then cut him out of the negotiations over the final Republican bill. For a while, the tame Democrat was Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, until he began to look like a nut case.
And now, the best catch of all has been the eyes-wide-shut Lieberman who, unlike the others, has built a career out of being the wise and thoughtful centrist revered by the media talking heads.
Lieberman seems to be genuinely baffled and indeed petulant that his fellow Democrats won't let him have it both ways: To say he is a strong Democrat with a largely progressive record and to work hand-in-glove with the White House to denigrate his own long-suffering and battered party.
Well worth the click through, the article concludes "this is really about the consequences of Lieberman wanting to have his cake and eat it, too."
. Spreading the Misery: The Journal Inquirer also has a good piece up about how Lieberman has put Chris Dodd's nuts in a vice with his sad desperation:
If Lamont wins by a small margin, Dodd may not feel pressured to speak out much in the race. But if Lamont wins by a healthy margin, Dodd may be asked to support Lamont.
Pelto added that Connecticut's Democratic candidates for U.S. House also may not appreciate Lieberman waging an independent campaign and drawing voters' gaze off the Democratic line in the voting booth.
I've said it before but I'll say it again -- the Dems running for Congress are extremely angry and Holy Joe's Cut-and-Run campaign. I wrote about it here, but it bears repeating: Joe's selfishness puts three hotly contested Congressional seats at risk, and threatens Democratic control of Congress in November.
. Finally, the popular Kiss Float will be traveling around Connecticut and making more public appearances. We will be there.
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Hi Jane, you can see I’m really getting a lot done at work today. *S*
The local press and the lawn signs are going to win the day, I can just feel it.
Jane
Three of us from MA are coming down to Willimantic to do some doorbell ringing for Ned tomorrow.
Would love to join the party Thursday night, but that would require getting a hotel room—a bit too far of a commute. May do it anyway—got hotel suggestions?
Jane, I have a question and I have no wish to offend, so I hope I express it correctly, as I am a huge fan of yours.
Joe bleats that it is the blogs (ie the rabid left) who are gunning for him. Besides Kos (and wasn’t he originally against trying to remove Joe) I’d think that yours is probably the biggest blog that is behind Ned, especially on a national scale.
So what I would like to know is how well are you known when you meet non FDLers in CT?
Do they know who you are?
Do they care?
When bloggers introduce you to nonbloggers how are you presented and how do you think you are perceived by them?
How much do you think bloggers are driving this fight, in general?
Thanks if you can answer these. (referring to time not ability ;o)
Israel has a bunch of nuclear weapons. The rest of the Middle East can’t be trusted to have them. The reason being, that Israel acts so responsibly. Yesiree folks. And still Nero Bush fiddles while most of America naps.
Hey, is Sean Smith any kin to Sheppard Smith (of Faux News)? Watching that clip from CTblog of Tom Swann vs Sean Smith, I thought he looked eerily like Sheppard S.
maybe this website should be call firedogjoe
Wow, Jane - it’s really starting to hit Joe from all sides, isn’t it? But do I feel sorry for him? Not one little bit. He’s made his own choices, and now he has to answer for them. That’s how it’s supposed to work, I think, but Joe’s got a whole lotta “entitlement” issues to resolve.
The Dodd comments were interesting. If Ned wins convincingly, why wouldn’t Dodd want to come out in support? Why would he want to support a candidate whose party identification alone (CT for Lieberman) suggests that he’s forgotten who is supposed to be working for whom?
It’s already getting pretty quiet. Biden missed the train, and I guess that was the one and only train he was planning to catch. Boxer hasn’t shown up yet. Hillary has said she’ll support the primary winner.
I so envy you being a witness to history - which is what I think this election is going to make. I think it’s going to be looked upon later as the seminal event that started the biggest and best change in American political life.
Those of us who can’t be there in person are with you in spirit - we’re the ones with the green (with envy) faces…*g*
Bionic 6 — I have not met anyone here in CT who doesn’t a) work on the campaign or b) blog who has the slightest clue who I am, or Kos either. Really, Joe can whine all he wants but whatever effect we have is generally on the media narrative. The average person has no idea who we are or what we’re doing, and I can say that with absolute confidence. Most journalists don’t even know. They wouldn’t let me be in the journalists green room for the debate, the TV station rep had no idea who FDL or the Huffington Post were. I got tired tring to explain, said “fuckit” and Stoller and I went to the Lamont war room instead.
Joe’s paranoid notion that we have poisoned the Connecticut well is a bit grandiose. I appreciate the credit but it’s quite frankly bunk.
Anne 11 — yes I feel like I am witnessing a bit of history. I’m running around like a crazy person trying to keep up with everything that is happening and blog too, but it’s a lot of fun.
willyd 10 — I’m in Connecticut, this is what I’m going to write about. If you have a problem with that there are any number of wonderful blogs in our blogroll covering something else.
Might I recommend Eli’s?
RevDeb — email me, I checked with Kobe and he says you can stay with us.
Bionic, I’ve done the same thing - I actually swapped “Republican” for “Democrat” in a comment, *twice*.
Jane @14: And that’s true not only for the CT race. Blog readership is miniscule when compared to the electorate as a whole, and general awareness is pretty low. Blogger impact will probably always be indirect, basically needling the media when they don’t do their job, and occasionally feeding them stories that they were too lazy to chase down themselevs.
Might I recommend Eli’s?
Argh.
I just posted something about Lamont! Stay away! Stay away!
What really interests me about this race is that we are going to see a massive, heavily-financed effort by the Democratic establishment to make sure Lieberman wins the primary. If Lamont wins against those odds, it will make a huge statement about people-powered politics and the effectiveness of the netroots. It will shake up the present hierarchy and cause much gnashing of teeth at the DLC and DSSC.
Jane @ 14
That’s what I thought. For all that we know things in our little fishbowl, it doesn’t spread that far.
But the fact that it can be used smells even more like desperation to me. I just didn’t want to spout off about that without knowing for sure.
Contrary to the media, it’s real people who are pissed off and fed up. It’s the ordinary folk who are driving this primary fight, not unemployed nutbars glued to their computers. (Not that I’d include you in that description in any case.)
I didn’t want to offend, b/c as I said, I think your voice and passion (and Christy’s too) are stupendous, but I am glad that you are so anonymous and unimportant there. It means good things for your country.
Actually, I thought Swan let Smith get away with interrupting him and hijacking the debate. Swan never got to finish talking about Lieberman’s lobbyist wife and why that might be relevant to “disclosure” before he let Smith interrupt him to accuse him of picking on Lieberman’s poor old wife and kids. Smith at least knows how to go for the juglar. I like Swan, but he seemed a little too laid back.
Smith came across to me a an unctious creep, but I’m so prejudiced against Lieberman, I don’t trust my own perceptions when it comes to shit like this.
If Lamont wins against those odds, it will make a huge statement about people-powered politics and the effectiveness of the netroots. It will shake up the present hierarchy and cause much gnashing of teeth at the DLC and DSSC.
Yep. This is why I so badly want him to win.
However, I believe the other thing that needs to happen within the Democratic Party is the realization that the DLC myth that Clinton won because he was centrist (and not because he was a brilliant politician) is just that, and that triangulation and appeasement is *hurting* the Democrats, not helping them.
Clinton won despite his centrism, not because of it.
“Kindly?” - Hardly!
But the fact that it can be used smells even more like desperation to me. I just didn’t want to spout off about that without knowing for sure.
I wonder how long the Democrats and the media can trash the blogs before people decide to start seeing for themselves what all the fuss is about.
What happens if the media rants and raves about evil bloggers, and people start reading said blogs and saying, “Hey, these crazy bloggers are actually making some sense. The media is *gasp* lying!”
“…a kindly gentleman who has wandered into a bad neighborhood…”
Maybe Joe could wander around Baghdad outside of the green zone. He could talk to all of the amputees about his kindly role in the war.
kaleidescope 23 — I heard rumors that the argument continued in the parking lot and Swan called Smith soulless and told him to go fuck himself, but I have not been able to confirm the story.
bionic — I could not possibly be more anonymous and unimportant here. And that is, as you say, a wonderful thing.
Foiled again! DAMN YOU ELI!!!
Just because someone has a smile on his face when he stabs you in the back does not make him “kindly;” it does, perhaps, suggest that he is enjoying what he’s doing.
Even if Joe wins, what we are witnessing is the slo-mo death of a DINO. Of course the other DINOs are going to stand around and make sympathetic sounds. They are witnessing their own future, and it makes them so sad to realize that they are mortals after all, that a congressional seat isn’t immortality after all.
Ned, if he wins, may become the most shunned representative in D.C. I hope he wins and pushes ahead bravely, even though so few will want to come out and play.
In any event, Joe’s people wrote his own epitaph: Joe Must Go (even in victory, it appears he could very well be destroyed. What a wuss.)
Somewhat on-topic and at meta-level to this thread, but it actually was the first thing I thought of this morning, laying in bed wide awake as if a thunderclap awoke me.
Do we FirePups realize well and truly what is unfolding in front of our eyes?
We are observer and participant in a mythic adventure, wherein a Joseph Campbell-type of hero called to serve, answering the call, finding the quest, discovering boons, gaining helpmates as the quest approaches.
The hero is not Ned.
It’s Jane.
Ned is the grail, of sorts, something that cannot be truly won for one’s self, but must be set free to realize its true nature. The dragons are many and multi-headed, including the sorry false prophet-hero, Joe-nertia.
We are boons and helpmates as we choose; we can observe, but even the act of observing has an impact since observation is measured.
Jane answered the call, drove across the country picking up more boons and helpmates along the way, a contemporary knight in the service of no king but a mission of enormous magnitude, the salvation of democracy.
Damn, it took my breath away when it dawned on me this morning, how really f*cking big this is and how deep this archetype reaches into all of our souls.
If only we could ask the naysayers whether they be boons or banes, and have them understand as well.
Thank you, Citizen Jane, heroine of democracy.
Jane - can’t imagine how you could be anonymous with Kobe by your side. I am sure, where ever you go, you have a following.
Or is it just that Kobe has the following?
You know, Lieberman didn’t strike me as a ‘kindly old gentleman’ in his debate with Ned.
How about a ‘vicious old coot with a couple heaping helpings of entitlement and condescension’?
Speaking of smiles . . . .
Lieberman’s frequent “smiles” look to me more like grimaces. He has a very wide mouth, and he stretches it back into that grimace when he’s making a point.
It’s not very smiley.
Rayne @ 33. It is Jane, Christy and Kobe.
Maybe Joe could wander around Baghdad outside of the green zone. He could talk to all of the amputees about his kindly role in the war.
Plenty of painfully young amputees in DC, VA, and NC. Seen ‘em.
kaleidescope 23 says: Smith came across to me a an unctious creep
I think that was pretty plain for all to see. The “dragging his wife into it” would perhaps be true if they kept separate accounts, but somehow I doubt they do. Yet another aspect of Joe’s campaign that is Republican: the slick automaton campaign manager who is willing to say literally anything to smear the opponent.
Eli @ 26
I first found the political blogs after Condi testified before the 911 Commission.
Through a process of following googled links I came across dKos. Depending on the blogs you stumble upon you may be impressed or you may be horrified.
I know that at first, I wasn’t even sure which blog was left or right for some. And that’s partly because I’m Canadian and didn’t pick up on certain visual clues (stars and stripes, eagles and Coulter books advertisements vs non sequitor names, Air America ads and Sy Hersh book ads).
I was certainly not on the right side of the political spectrum, but I stayed with the blogs that made the most sense. And cared about spelling and grammar.
If Lieberman wins, it will send a signal that a lot people in Connecticut approve of the Bush war in Iraq.
Plenty of painfully young amputees in DC, VA, and NC. Seen ‘em.
Betcha Joe hasn’t.
Republican (and I include Joe) “support” of the troops is completely non-substantive (i.e., protecting them from “demoralization” rather than death or injury), and limited solely to the time that they are actually in active service.
Hey Eli —
Cool blog you’ve got there.
I especially like this feel good story —
Whalefare
Tom Swan was great. Sean Smith is scary. Like, scary as in: “I’m gonna be outta my job” scary.
I hope there are “monitors” attached to the Connecticut-for-Lieberman signature gatherers, all 25 of them. Each of them must gather 300 signatures; Smith says it’s a separate effort from the Dem primary campaign (and it better be!!) so I would assign some minders to those 25 people.
Lots of questions on Connecticut Bob’s blog about these 25 people, such as: don’t they have to change their party registration to “Connecticut for Lieberman” and mightn’t it be too late to do that?
Bionic @40:
I remember finding Kevin Drum’s old Calpundit blog when I was looking for info about Bush’s draft-dodging via TANG. I was amazed at all the meticulous analysis in the post and in the comments, and I think I started reading him regularly when he moved to Washington Monthly. I eventually found Kos & Atrios because he kept referring to them, and I started peeking at FDL (like many others) when Fitz started making things interesting.
My spelling is impeckable, BTW.
Rayne @ 33
You expressed what I was trying to say in my posts but it was coming out all fandom-ish.
Jane et al are the heroes and I am a boon.
Signed,
Bionic,
a boon of firedoglake
Pea Ess Doncha just love the sound of boon calls over the Firedoglake at night, or is that a Canadian thing?
Bionic —
If I were Canadian, I would be completely horrified by what is going on in the States.
Hell, I’m an American, and I am ashamed and horrified — what has happened to our country?
Thanks, -ck-!
That *is* a helluva story. The source I got it from thought it necessary to point out that she checked snopes to verify it was for real.
Jane et al are the heroes and I am a boon.
Rabid lamb that I am, that makes me more of a baa boon.
Jane, you may be anonymous but I’m pretty sure you’re noticed. The poodles are kind of hard to miss. In any event, Connecticut Democrats know other Connecticut Democrats. If they read the NYT, they are going to be startled to see their friends and neighbors described as “haters.” Lanny Davis really needs to STFU. All HoJo needs is association with another Republican talking point description of Democrats. Bad enough to call opponents the “antis,” but haters? (Loathers and despisers, I’ll cop to.) One other message to Joe: Nobody likes a kvetch. Stop whining and try to pretend you’re a mensch. Your little prince act is wearing awfully thin.
What was Joe doing in the 80’s?
Enquiring minds want to know
HoJo is a Republican… he gets the R talking points fax every day…
or so I’m guessing…
ember 2:27 pm — ah, this particular heroine is Jane, her trusty “steed” Kobe at her side.
Christy is like the first and most powerful of the Knights of the Round Table, one who heard and believed the call as well, but her call is a different one, her mythic adventure parallel but somehow separate because of the talents she has and the boons she receives. That adventure is slowly beginning to reach its tipping point (perhaps it did this week)…but she is also a helpmate to the heroine who first heard the call and named it FireDogLake.
We turn the archetype on its ear a bit; in this mythic adventure, the Lady of the Lake is the hero.
Rayne - I think we are all awakening to exactly the feelings and thoughts you described - I mentioned it upthread myself. It’s a pretty awesome realization, that we could be witnessing a sea-change in the country. And even though the folks in CT may be unaware of who Jane is, Jane has given us all an opportunity to work through her, in so many ways - I just sometimes feel the energy she and Christy and all the truly fine posters generate coming through this blog, and it keeps me going through some of the crappiest days our country has seen in a long time. As do the folks who comment here.
This is participatory politics at its best - in the furtherance and preservation of a democracy that seems to be teetering on the brink of disaster.
It pretty much overwhelms me sometimes.
Rayne, your point that we boons are drawn to this archetypal story must explain my deep, deep wish to be there. I thought it was some silly boi-fandom, too, or perhaps love of poodles. But you are right, I am drawn to the narrations from our heroine, because the tale is large, real and resonant in a human way.
And will be told down the ages, success that it will be!
must delete cookies … there.
… and learn how to operate a space bar
Yes Rayne, as soon as I pressed ’submit’, I ‘got’ the distinction. I agree completely:).
Totally second -ck - at 43 re the Whale story. Amazing. Kind of makes you glad to be alive.
There is something very deep about what we are trying to do, it’s why fdl draws in so many intelligent and caring people. Also helps explain the long hours/addiction.
Joe is like a tick infested old buck deer, who’s being chased out of the herd by the young does — the young buck is sleek and handsome, and HoJo doesn’t understand it or like it one bit.
Anne 2:38 pm — Yes, overwhelming it can be at times; that’s when the temptation to leave the quest is strongest.
What’s so amazing to me, having read and written about heroes and myth, is that it was right here under my nose and it didn’t click until this morning for some bizarre reason what I have been witnessing, what has continued to inform my own personal quest for the last couple of years.
Most of us will go a lifetime without ever hearing the call, let alone bear witness to a mythic adventure. Maybe I needed to realize it today when it has become so easy to lose sight of the grail and become so discouraged.
TSF at 44 don’t they have to change their party registration to “Connecticut for Lieberman” and mightn’t it be too late to do that?
To sign a petition, wouldn’t they just have to be registered voters? It may vary by state. Ahoy CT lawyers?
-ck- @ 48
As I have explained to Mr. Bionic many times, I read the blogs because I love our children. It’s pretty scary living next to a giant and having to rely on the kindness of strangers to protect you. (Thanks for all your efforts BTW)
It’s finally driven me to start my own blog (with my sister Thursday Next), available through my name.
Up here we are gearing up for the federal Liberal leadership race and we may even have an early election because of the Con’s softwood lumber deal that gave 20% of the illegal tariffs the US collected ($1B) back to the Americans.
Another topic we’ll be following is the trial of that beloved old curmudgeon Lord Black of Crossharbour.
To give you a flavour of this old teddybear of a capitalist:
Makes you wonder why Patrick Fitzgerald is being so mean to him, doesn’t it?
Joe expresses his resentment of Ned’s wealth in a way that he hopes will resonate among class-conscious Democratic voters.
But discussions of Joe’s income? That’s “dragging his wife” into the campaign.
Joe’s manager claims that voters need to know Ned’s income sources, since he is self-funding his slim campaign, although Ned has help with that, too. If Ned’s sources of income will expect something from Ned, won’t Joe’s donors?
There are few arguments these Joe-supporters (among them Joe) make which do not redound to their candidate’s detriment. And Ned tried to get them to stop (or so he said) in the “makes bad coffee” ad!
Go Ned!
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http://liebermania.blogspot.com/
What a hoot….
It’s finally driven me to start my own blog
A toast to you and the new Bionic blog!
It so good to see Joe hitting the fan.
It so good to see Joe hitting the fan.
Liebermanure?
eg at 61:
Connecticut Bob, based on his own re-registration requirement in order to gather primary-qualifying signatures for Ned, has more expertise on this subject than I could possibly summarize.
However, it sounds to me like one need be a party member to collect signatures to get a candidate on the ballot in the primary, as Bob did. There are funny waiting periods, depending on whether you’re declaring a party from having been in no party (vs choosing another party). It’s unclear whether the same requirement exists in a general election, but here’s what Bob has to say about it:
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006.....rends.html
Interesting how the NY Times article concluded with a discussion of Lieberman’s appearance at an Irish-American event where the article says “he seemed very much in his element” and said that the Irish are “not fair-weather friends.”
I guess the journalist wanted to end the article on a positive note.
But, based on what I have read, the Irish American event was something of a microcosm of HoJo’s campaign.
Every time he goes out in public, real Connecticut voters ask him tough questions.
At the Irish-American event, it was a local woman who asked HoJo why he was going to run as an independent against his own party.
Her question to HoJo got a lot of local press.
Funny the Times didn’t mention it.
However this turns out, Lieberman comes out of it a shrunken man who no one will take seriously again. A schmiel through and through.
The ‘fair-weather friends’ remark, iirc, was precisely what Maura pounced upon as she began to question Lieb.
Too bad NYT missed a really good part of the story.
Wasn’t Maura (the Irish-American who asked Joe the questions at the Tigin Pub) the one who brought up the “fair-weather” meme in the discussion? Odd that the NYT should mention it and credit it to Joe. Perhaps everyone was talking about fair-weather friends, though, given the nature of the event.
Wasn’t Maura, like, one of only three non-campaign, non-press people, non-Delaware Senators attending the Joe-for-Two but only One Joe event, anyway?
I had to turn off the sound on Sean Smith. He was making me ill. Almost as bad as listening to Bush.
I thought it was interesting that the NYT zeroed in on how off-kilter HoJo’s campaign has been, and even more interesting that Joe was willing to blame his campaign staff for all of the fumbles. Now who does that remind me of? It’s always someone else’s screw-up, never the fault of the person at the top. Wait a minute, it’s on the tip of my tongue, I’ll think of it in a moment….
We’re not just witnessing it.
We are the force that drives the tides.
It’s been a busy Sat., but today FDL reminds me of running through the sprinkler on a hot July day - free fun.
I’m going to go back through the comments on Attaturk’s Bivens piece, but I know I haven’t seen anything like it on MSM. I think Howie Klein is collecting good Karma points at such an alarming rate, there may not be any left.
When almost everything political you read breaks your heart and spirit, getting the Ned reports is awfully nice, and having FDL host while Howie drags candidates like John and Rick and Coleen (and those that preceded them) over, just so we know that there are great candidates out there, willing to fight the fight —
– a run through the sprinkler on a humid sweltery day.
I have to hit the heat again, but I think the sprinkler will still be here when I get back. *g*
Teddy @ 72
Joe originally brought it up, Maura used his own words against him. She’s f-ing brilliant.
Also, these Daily Ned posts are great–I’ve been almost totally out of the loop today, but the good news is that I wrapped up my summer class today, GPA intact.
TeddySanFran 2:39pm — then you ‘heard’ it, too; that’s the nature of the heroic archetype, it can communicate at a level that is resonant and pre-verbal, down deep in the soul.
What is so abso-f*cking-lutely awesome about the nature of this mythic adventure is that anyone can be an observer, a boon, a helpmate, a fellow hero (at the risk of sounding like a damned FTD television ad, replete with David Bowie’s anthemic “Heroes”…).
TSF–I believe Joe said fair weather first, then Maura pinned him down on it. Sorry no immed linky.
I believe Maura was teeing off on Joe’s remarks. The “fair weather democrat” was a callback to his speech.
Might be wrong, but that’s how I read her account.
boadicea 3:03 pm — and I would expect no less a sentiment from a warrior queen.
Heh.
spazeboy!
Congrats, and keep the videos coming. They’re great.
I’ve got it!!
Joe is after the “pity” vote. That’s why he’s throwing such a pity party!!
Also, interesting that the Times article said something like Joe “was in his element” at the Irish-American event.
Everything I have read indicates that he there were a couple sign-holding protestors outside of the pub, so Joe decided to go in the back entrance. That doesn’t seem like someone who is “in his element.”
Also, there was his whole discussion with Maura. That doesn’t seem like “in his element” either.
I didn’t check the byline - did Nagourney or Bumiller write the article?
Here’s the full concluding portion from the Times article:
“Irish-Americans have been great supporters of mine,” Mr. Lieberman said in remarks to the small crowd, between prelunch sips of Guinness. He seemed, at the moment, every bit in his ethnic political element — a backslapping, blog-free retail setting characteristic of the Democratic Party he grew up in.
“The Irish tend not to be fair-weather friends,” Mr. Lieberman said. “They’re with you all the way.”
Digby is on a tear over Joementum.
Go read.
The Maura anecdote has the makings of a letter to the editor at the NY Times. And since it is a bona fide correction of their story, there’s a decent chance of seeing it printed. I guess best sent by a Connecticut resident?
From Digby:
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Fox News, May 7, 2004
Some Democrats are calling for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign amid controversy surrounding pictures depicting U.S. military personnel abusing Iraqi prisoners outside of Baghdad.
But others say the demand for pink slips is merely politics in an election year when Democrats are hoping to oust President Bush.
“The Congress will politicize this, will spend too much time investigating it,” Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., told Fox News. “The other danger is, the administration will be defensive about this instead of being aggressive … This has been a setback for our cause.”
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Lieberman told Fox News that the calls for Rumsfeld’s ouster are a distraction from the larger picture.
“We’re in the middle of a war — you wouldn’t want to have the secretary of defense change unless there’s really good reason for it and I don’t see any good reason at this time,” Lieberman said.
But the senator said it’s imperative to get to the bottom of what happened as soon as possible.”Let’s flush it all out, clean it up and get back to the war on terrorism,” Lieberman continued.
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Rabid lamb that I am, that makes me more of a baa boon.
so is your female sibling a “sis baa boon?”
Thanks Jane for Daily dose of Ned.
And thanks for showing the Courant piece. A good even-handed look at the ‘real’ Joe.
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I’ve discovered why the dearth of polling on this race. I guess it ain’t as easy as it looks; ID’ing likely voters for a mid-summer primary (call me stupid)…this was posted 5 days ago:
http://www.mysterypollster.com.....t_pri.html
MP has a follow-up today.
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The only tactic that matters in this race is the same as every other. GOTV.
I don’t think Joe can gain any traction w/”Fear and Loathing Ned Lamont” campaign. Targeting ‘low-info voters (ie, Joe Sixpack) He’ll have to rely on the usual suspects in the party machine. Ned’s backers, OTOH, and IMHO, will be motivated by a real desire for change.
Barring unforeseen changes, Bush’s favorite Dem is about to be removed. He’s gonna lose the primary, and he won’t be able to run away from himself in Nov.
You got it Eli 63.
All though I’m sure the Libermanure is too toxic to use as compost.
ifthethunderdontgetya - Agreed. In fact, I would love to see Maura or one of the protestors write the letter.
But really, any CT voter who was there or who knows the facts of what happened has a opportunity to write a letter to the editor of the NY Times highlighting the significant reality/reportage disparity here. I’m not a CT’er, unfortunately.
NYT article: Mark Leibovich
so is your female sibling a “sis baa boon?”
More of a womandrill.
Whoa, I just noticed. I haven’t seen you around in ages, preznit giv me turkee!
Best. Handle. Ever.
If Maura is Irish, the letter to the Times gets even better, because the article said that HoJo was “every bit in his ethnic political element”.
The truth (if Maura is Irish) is that a member of the ethnic group in question here put a few very tough, very deserved, questions to Lieberman.
And the Times article failed to mention them and in fact misrepresented the event (as I understand it - I wasn’t there).
i just got back from a local event where i got to mingle with the crowds and teach about ned. the day is called “celebrate east lyme day”. i stood next to the leiberman paid crew. we sparred a bit. i shot down each of their talking points. i asked if they were registered dems. yes. then how does it feel working for someone willing to betray the democratic party in november. silence. it was priceless. lots of folk came up to me to talk about ned. having worked and lived in the same community for 25 years, it was like i knew everyone. very cool. the lamont support (max and philip) were amazed just watching me. they were good at approaching folk they didn’t know. it felt great just to tell folk about ned and ask for their support. i even got kudos from the lieberman paid crowd as i was leaving. and the lamont crew didn’t know about firedoglake. they were impressed with my knowledge of positions. we might get some more readers this eve. see you next thursday jane.
Well, alas, I feel that in that youtube thing poor ole Mr. Swan got his ass handed to him by Smith. On the night of the debate I remarked that Mr. Lamont fumbled the football on this tax return issue…looks like he’s still fumbling the football. I give credit to Smith/Lieberman: they recognize a weak spot in the enemy line and pound that point right into the Lamont weakness. Over and over and over. And Swan’s attempted counter-attack was weak, and easily rebuffed by Smith.
I have no doubt that Mr. Swan is a fine man. He could probably easily take me in a Lady’s Team Room Debate Contest. But he’d never take me in a Bar Fight. So, Mr. Swan, let’s develop some grit:
You ATTACK the tax return issue. You tell the world that MR (NEVER confer his proper title on him) Lieberman and family are puppets of the Pharmaceutical Industry. MR Lieberman hides this from our citizens. This is why, fellow Connecticutans, that we will NEVER have any form of health care as long as MR Lieberman stays in office. MR Lieberman’s wife is paid HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS every year by drug companies so that her husband will OPPOSE any type of health care reform.
“But, but, now your attacking his wife!” smugly replies Smith. “Oh no, I’m not, sir. The REAL issue here is why your boss, MR Lieberman keeps hiding behind his wife’s skirts on this issue. Ned Lamont is a man of courage. Mr. Lieberman is a man hiding behind his wife’s drug company money…and the decent people of our state suffer”.
Ok, got that, good ole Mr. Swan? Good.
Ghostman
PS: Mr. Swan: look, ummm….do they sell men’s pocket combs up there? Go buy one. Next time you’re about to be on TV: please use it.
Cognitive dissonance
Digby:
Joe on Clenis in 1998:
Clenis on Joe today (via MyDD):
What am I missing here?
hey jane im in new jersey want to come up for the party. can send info on motel accomodations near the inn? i’d prefer not driving home after. thanks much
Ghostman 94 - I like this, a lot.
wxyz and ifthethunderdontgetya, Maura Keaner is definitely Irish, definitely homegrown-CT, and definitely the best one to write that LTE. She drops by here sometimes, so I hope she’ll see your suggestion and get to typing! I had the same immediate reaction to ML’s story — “Whoa, he quit just as he was about to reach his best, most natural and telling conclusion.”
More from Maura
Jane,
you may be anonymous in CT, but you’ll always be my Dulcinea.
Here’s what NoMoJoe is supporting:
NBC Nightly News is reporting that the British are evacuating their citizens from Beirut. U.S.–working on a plan.
Nine minutes of Pet Goat, horrific days of Katrina, now “working on a plan” for 25,000 Americans stranded in Lebanon. Just one more chapter in the Fend For Yourself world of Bushco.
I thought Tom Swan’s hair looked cool, but otherwise I think Ghostman’s got one right idea, although I’ve heard it here earlier: ATTACK!
Careful, though, G’man, when you talk about the “Lady’s Team Room Debate.” Let’s remember who keeps the lights on here — you and me are way outnumbered, genderally.
The “dueling campaign managers” format won’t be repeated, though, as I think the anchoress made clear: the boys didn’t play nice in her sandbox.
Beirut brings back horrific memories, as a friend’s dad was the acting Ambassador there after the US embassy was bombed.
How will the US military get 25,000 Americans out of Lebanon without a working airport in Beirut? Apparently, ships at sea are at risk as well. Maybe W is going to let The Poodle’s Plan execute first, so he can crib off Blair’s test.
Can this end well? Can it?