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		<title>By: J2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/14/about-those-poison-pills/#comment-190546</link>
		<dc:creator>J2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wilson Himself was the source for the June 12 Pincus Wash Post story.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From page 45 of the Senate Select Committee of Intelligence (Prewar Intelligence):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The former ambassador also told Committee staff that he was the source of a Washington Post article (”CIA Did Not Share Doubt on Iraq Data; Bush Used Report of Uranium Bid,” June 12, 2003) which said, “among the Envoy’s conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because ‘the dates were wrong and the names were wrong.’” Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the “dates were wrong and the names were wrong” when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports. The former ambassador said that he may have “misspoken” to the reporter when he said he concluded the documents were “forged.” He also said he may have become confused about his own recollection after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported in March 2003 that the names and dates on the documents were not correct and may have thought he had seen the names himself. The former ambassador reiterated that he had been able to collect the names of the government officials which should have been on the documents. “&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilson Himself was the source for the June 12 Pincus Wash Post story.  </p>
<p>From page 45 of the Senate Select Committee of Intelligence (Prewar Intelligence):</p>
<p>“The former ambassador also told Committee staff that he was the source of a Washington Post article (”CIA Did Not Share Doubt on Iraq Data; Bush Used Report of Uranium Bid,” June 12, 2003) which said, “among the Envoy’s conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because ‘the dates were wrong and the names were wrong.’” Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the “dates were wrong and the names were wrong” when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports. The former ambassador said that he may have “misspoken” to the reporter when he said he concluded the documents were “forged.” He also said he may have become confused about his own recollection after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported in March 2003 that the names and dates on the documents were not correct and may have thought he had seen the names himself. The former ambassador reiterated that he had been able to collect the names of the government officials which should have been on the documents. “</p>
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		<title>By: Ronzoni Rigatoni</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/14/about-those-poison-pills/#comment-190303</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronzoni Rigatoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s been quite a few years, but I seem to recall handling arbitration cases (Federal Sector, and based on Federal law and procedure) where employment was defined as a “property right” and therefore protected under “due process.”  If my faulty memory is correct we “won” most of these cases because of management’s failure to follow the very strict rules for dismissal/demotion/transfer precisely, thus failing to provide appropriate “due process” to the affected employees  (despite what might have been the “merits” of the management case).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s been quite a few years, but I seem to recall handling arbitration cases (Federal Sector, and based on Federal law and procedure) where employment was defined as a “property right” and therefore protected under “due process.”  If my faulty memory is correct we “won” most of these cases because of management’s failure to follow the very strict rules for dismissal/demotion/transfer precisely, thus failing to provide appropriate “due process” to the affected employees  (despite what might have been the “merits” of the management case).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Maguire</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/14/about-those-poison-pills/#comment-190031</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 04:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From the post:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Something that has been bugging me for a while, who was the CIA contact that fed Cheney the information on Valerie?  (p. 8, para. h)  How high did they go?  Was it Fleitz — or Tenet?  That would be an interesting nugget to know, wouldn’t it?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Per &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0406nj1.htm&quot;&gt;Murray Waas&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Cheney told investigators that he had learned of Plame’s employment by the CIA and her potential role in her husband being sent to Niger by then-CIA director George Tenet, according to people familiar with Cheney’s interviews with the special prosecutor.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tenet has told investigators that he had no specific recollection of discussing Plame or her role in her husband’s trip with Cheney, according to people with familiar with his statement to investigators. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe Tenet remembers getting a Medal of Freedom but it doesn’t sound like he helped Fitzgerald much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the post:</p>
<p><i>Something that has been bugging me for a while, who was the CIA contact that fed Cheney the information on Valerie?  (p. 8, para. h)  How high did they go?  Was it Fleitz — or Tenet?  That would be an interesting nugget to know, wouldn’t it?</i></p>
<p>Per <a href="http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0406nj1.htm">Murray Waas</a>:</p>
<p><i>Cheney told investigators that he had learned of Plame’s employment by the CIA and her potential role in her husband being sent to Niger by then-CIA director George Tenet, according to people familiar with Cheney’s interviews with the special prosecutor.</i></p>
<p>Tenet has told investigators that he had no specific recollection of discussing Plame or her role in her husband’s trip with Cheney, according to people with familiar with his statement to investigators. </p>
<p>Maybe Tenet remembers getting a Medal of Freedom but it doesn’t sound like he helped Fitzgerald much.</p>
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		<title>By: R2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/14/about-those-poison-pills/#comment-189994</link>
		<dc:creator>R2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;john from 44…..&lt;br /&gt;
i clicked on your address,there john…&lt;br /&gt;
wanted to find out about “the one important story”that everybody&lt;br /&gt;
missed.just found somebody pushin’ his book..about spiritual awakening in northern new mexico?please john,don’t waste my/our/&lt;br /&gt;
christy’s/jane’s time….we’re all kinda busy at the moment trying to rescue our country from facsists…thanks…ya’ll come back now,hear?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>john from 44…..<br />
i clicked on your address,there john…<br />
wanted to find out about “the one important story”that everybody<br />
missed.just found somebody pushin’ his book..about spiritual awakening in northern new mexico?please john,don’t waste my/our/<br />
christy’s/jane’s time….we’re all kinda busy at the moment trying to rescue our country from facsists…thanks…ya’ll come back now,hear?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/14/about-those-poison-pills/#comment-189941</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Christy&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Christy</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/14/about-those-poison-pills/#comment-189772</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Many thanks, Christy.  With regard to Christy 117, could you try farming out some of the legal research?  I’ve got a Lexis Nexis subscription, Duke Law with high honors 1984, 5th Circuit clerkship, blah blah (I am not bragging, just trying to show that I may be able to do legal research).  I would be happy to do whatever you want done pretty much when you want it done, unless clients have dire emergencies, which they don’t usually.  Just let me know if I can help.  You do so much for all of us; we need to do more for you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To Blank Kludge 55, a dismissal could be appealed to the DC Circuit, most but not all of which is solid for W. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To EmptyWheel 184, I don’t have current information, but as of 15 or so years ago the defendants defintely could team up.  I worked about then on a case where we teamed with two other defendants, very uncomfortable because their counsel had different ethical standards.  We went lowest common denominator, i.e., followed the lowest standards.  The little experience I have suggests that teaming allows a vast amount of stuff to be covered up that otherwise would be subject to discovery.  This may be outdated, however.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, Christy.  With regard to Christy 117, could you try farming out some of the legal research?  I’ve got a Lexis Nexis subscription, Duke Law with high honors 1984, 5th Circuit clerkship, blah blah (I am not bragging, just trying to show that I may be able to do legal research).  I would be happy to do whatever you want done pretty much when you want it done, unless clients have dire emergencies, which they don’t usually.  Just let me know if I can help.  You do so much for all of us; we need to do more for you.</p>
<p>To Blank Kludge 55, a dismissal could be appealed to the DC Circuit, most but not all of which is solid for W. </p>
<p>To EmptyWheel 184, I don’t have current information, but as of 15 or so years ago the defendants defintely could team up.  I worked about then on a case where we teamed with two other defendants, very uncomfortable because their counsel had different ethical standards.  We went lowest common denominator, i.e., followed the lowest standards.  The little experience I have suggests that teaming allows a vast amount of stuff to be covered up that otherwise would be subject to discovery.  This may be outdated, however.</p>
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		<title>By: molly bloom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/14/about-those-poison-pills/#comment-189744</link>
		<dc:creator>molly bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I believe this may help answer a question posed upthread: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0347_0497_ZS.html&quot;&gt;Bolling v. Sharpe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a) Though the Fifth Amendment does not contain an equal protection clause, as does the Fourteenth Amendment, which applies only to the States, the concepts of equal protection and due process are not mutually exclusive. P. 499.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this may help answer a question posed upthread: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0347_0497_ZS.html">Bolling v. Sharpe</a></p>
<p>a) Though the Fifth Amendment does not contain an equal protection clause, as does the Fourteenth Amendment, which applies only to the States, the concepts of equal protection and due process are not mutually exclusive. P. 499.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin J</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/14/about-those-poison-pills/#comment-189542</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could you address the issue of presidential pardons in civil cases? My understanding is that there is no such thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could you also address what the bases for dismissal could be and how the plaintiffs might argue against that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Despite your lack of federal civil experience we will be relying on you for your analysis. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As always, FDL (and emptywheel) will be the go-to sources for analysis in this case.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy:</p>
<p>Could you address the issue of presidential pardons in civil cases? My understanding is that there is no such thing.</p>
<p>Could you also address what the bases for dismissal could be and how the plaintiffs might argue against that?</p>
<p>Despite your lack of federal civil experience we will be relying on you for your analysis. </p>
<p>As always, FDL (and emptywheel) will be the go-to sources for analysis in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/14/about-those-poison-pills/#comment-189465</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For another good analysis, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ctblueblog.com&quot;&gt;www.ctblueblog.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For another good analysis, see <a href="http://www.ctblueblog.com">http://www.ctblueblog.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: lotus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/14/about-those-poison-pills/#comment-189374</link>
		<dc:creator>lotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yii, don’t know why that cite “rang a faint bell” didn’t “take” here as it had in Preview.  Just Google “Mary Rosh,” I’m sayin’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yii, don’t know why that cite “rang a faint bell” didn’t “take” here as it had in Preview.  Just Google “Mary Rosh,” I’m sayin’.</p>
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