
I have been anxiously awaiting somebody to write this piece in the traditional media. All ye scribes sucking thy narratives out of Joe Lieberman’s fax machines, consider this an official corrective. If you won’t listen to dirty liberal bloggers, listen to Chuck Todd writing in the National Journal, because it matches up very well with what things look like here on the ground in Connecticut:
First and foremost, Lieberman’s problems aren’t all about Iraq.
His unwavering support for President Bush on Iraq was simply the tipping point. If this was just about Iraq, then many of the rank-and-file Democratic activists who are supporting Lamont would be biting their tongues on Iraq and sticking with Lieberman. The "Iraq" in this equation has been oversimplified.
Lieberman has been living on the edge with the party’s base for some time, beginning with his "sermon on the mount" critique of former President Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky mess. During the 2000 campaign, there were two moments many Democrats won’t ever forget involving Lieberman: (1) his overly nice-guy approach toward Dick Cheney in the vice presidential debate; and (2) when he went against Al Gore’s legal team in regards to the rules involving military ballots.
Absolutely. There were plenty of Senators who voted for the war in Iraq who get little ink spilled about them in the blogosphere. Lieberman has consistently managed to consolidate many odious qualities in one repellant package. Almost every day he pinned a sign on his back saying "kick me." He shouldn’t be surprised at this point that a few have taken him up on the invitation.
Individually, these moments were painted positively by the press, and they added to Lieberman’s reputation as a different kind of politician.
But, taken in total, these deviations from the party paint a picture of Lieberman as a "me-first" politician to the extreme. (I say "extreme" because all politicians are "me-first" to a point.) In short, many Democrats believe Lieberman has built his national reputation by contrasting himself in a positive light against rank-and-file party members. It’s not dissimilar to what some conservatives have charged Rhode Island Republican Sen. Lincoln Chafee with doing over the years. It’s one thing to be a conservative Democrat; it’s another thing to enhance that image by trashing parts of the party to which you purport to belong.
I’m not sure the comparison holds up because Chafee knuckles under to the party when it really matters and his rebellion is largely symbolic, whereas Lieberman does real damage. But Chuck’s on a roll so we’ll let it slide:
Frankly, Lieberman’s decision to prepare a backup plan may undermine his own cause in the primary. Think about Lamont’s main grievance against Lieberman: that the incumbent is not a real Democrat. By prepping an indepedent run, Lieberman is proving Lamont’s charge true. What message is Lieberman sending other than "When the going gets tough, the tough get going right out of the Democratic Party"? Remember Gore’s critique of Bill Bradley in the 2000 Democratic primary that the former New Jersey senator didn’t "stay and fight"? The same charge certainly applies here.
Yes, Holy Joe’s political tin ear does indeed seem to be consistently evoking the Starland Vocal Band’s Greatest Hits.
Lieberman appears to be making strategic decisions out of anger. He’s clearly irked that he’s become the liberal wing’s whipping boy. Considering some of the venom that’s being spewed at him, he can get sympathy on a personal level. But Lieberman has prided himself on not being an angry pol, and that he is somehow different from "regular" politicians.
"Considering some of the venom that’s being spewed at him?" I’m not quite sure that makes him sympathetic, considering most of it is coming from people he’s openly called traitors. It probably makes Lanny Davis weep, but mostly it seems to induce sympathy from folks who don’t like what this could portend for themselves. What a ruckus this is causing in the entitlement club.
But the major point — Lieberman and his people are making decisions out of anger — is absolutely valid. They’re livid and making stupid, hot-headed decisions. Like that party name, "Connecticut for Lieberman." Why didn’t they just call it the "kiss my ring" party? Might as well.
Regionally, Lieberman losing the primary but running as an independent probably costs the Democrats at least one of their three targeted Connecticut House seats. All of those Republicans (Reps. Rob Simmons, Christopher Shays and Nancy Johnson) will endorse Lieberman in order to paint themselves as moderates. It might work. At a minimum, the Senate race in the fall is a major distraction in those House races.
Absolutely. Not enough has been made of this. Anyone who thinks it imperative that the Democrats retake the house this fall should be hurling much appropriate venom Lieberman’s way, because he certainly deserves it. He’s peeing in the pool for everyone, and cares not one little bit.
It’s hard to find much news that’s positive for the Democratic Party or Lieberman in this situation. He brought this on himself, and that’s what he’s never understood. He had plenty of opportunities to fix this with local Democrats but chose not to. Who knows, Democrats might get lucky with Lieberman winning big in the primary, and this whole story is swept under the rug. But given Lieberman’s moves, it’s apparent that won’t happen. The question now is just how much collateral damage this campaign is going to cause the party.
I’ve been talking to a few people who know Lieberman about this constitutional inability to think that the campaign against him isn’t a plot of some kind. His insistance that Maura in Stamford was a "plant" being a case in point. The idea that Ned Lamont and Tom Swan sat down, plotted this whole thing out and put Maura up to it is patently absurd; if you knew the people involved, you’d quickly realize Ned would rather sing karaoke.
And it’s doubly ridiculous once you meet the grassroots Connecticut folks who are living for this stuff right now. The Lamont people could not stop them if they tried. Joe is fundamentally unable to perceive that he has a "Connecticut problem," or that those opposing him are not all part of some top-down, authoritarian master plan (he really has been hanging out with Republicans too long). But his inability to gauge where this is coming from also means he is rather powerless to effectively counter it.
He’s fully capable of raising and spending boatloads of cash, which he is certainly doing, engaging in smear tactics and pulling in the crony pack to back him up. Whether it will be enough, or whether they will all go down with him remains to be seen.
It’s still anybody’s game.
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Fitz!
Ned, Valerie and Fitz!
I’ve got more respect for FDL than ever. Most recent example – Jane’s correction at the bottom of her essay to today’s “Daily Ned.” Some would try to hide a simple error like getting a legislator’s state incorrect. To merely strike through, so your readers are aware of your vulnerability is truly honest – and very admirable.
Thanks, Jane Hamsher…
The whole “plant” thing really blew me away. Who campaigns these days, not prepared for the “plants” that crop up?
Maybe Joe’s just been too envious of Bush’s staged appearances, where the plants are nipped in the bud. I suppose you can get away with that when you’re the president, but not when you’re running for reelection to the Senate.
The “campaign against him” is what we call “an election.”
Ned was magnificent on Ed Schultz today.
No Mo Jo
Like that party name, “Connecticut for Lieberman.”
Forgive me if anyone else has already noted this, but the narcissism of the “party” name is particularly noticeable given that another New England state had a well-known independent candidacy a few years ago, when Jim Longley was the governor of Maine.
The name of his party? “Longley for Maine.”
The order of the nouns makes all the difference in the world.
Connecticut for Lieberman
is exactly the sort of ass-backwards logic that propells LIEberman
Lamont for Connecticut
has a much better ring
Let me clarify: I’m not saying that Maura was a plant, only that Joe should have been ready for the kind of questions/comments she posed to him.
Oh
And what, pray tell, were the Starland Vocal Band’s other hits?
Damn
Swopa beat me to it
(of course the observation was rather obvious)
Yeah, but I was, like, historical and shit.
OT: Wilsons sue Cheney, Libby, Rove.
Here’s all you need to know:
“Mr. Cheney’s spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, declined to comment, noting that the issues were before a court in the Libby trial. Robert D. Luskin, Mr. Rove’s lawyer, said in an interview: “The allegations are without merit. We may comment further when we have an opportunity to review the complaint.””
We have in advance of trial, and absent the zillions of words that have been written about the MO of these fascist swine, the talking point that Rove has doubtless spread far and wide:
“The allegations are without merit.”
Ouch!
peterr
and , evidently, even the Prez can’t get away with so obviously stacking the dexk now that the country has begun to have
Had Enough
nice post this afternoon too
I made this comment elsewhere regarding Ed Schultz pushing the bogus point that we rabid lambs were spewing venom and “crossing the line” in criticism of Lieberman. All I’ve heard and seen is simply that Democratic Party activists and people who care enough to vote in the primary are fed up with Lieberman’s backstabbing, double-talk and neglect. You know, the democracy thing.
Speaking of Ed Schultz, I heard Ned Lamont kicked some butt on his show today but that Lieberman sounded like a whiny Republican. Anyone hear them on Schultz’s show today?
blomentum
http://www.ConnecticutForLamont.com is an address I bought preemptively for Ned — now I think I may have to buy LamontForConnecticut
“the allegations are without merit” but we haven’t reviewed them yet…
I really think that if Lieberman loses the primary the democrats in Congress are going to start falling by the wayside. They won’t be able to explain to their contituents how they could possibly support the new “independent” over the winner of the democratic primary.
Wishful thinking or pshycic prediction? It just seems to make sense that the whole house of cards is going to fall on Leiberman.
Link to NYT story on the Wilsons’ suit:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07…..r=homepage
Ed*ard Teller — Just you wait, I got plenty more errors where that came from.
Ed Schultz is a DLC tool. He may sound reasonable once in a while but he’s a f****’n tool.
Tonites Young Dem Event in New Haven was a complete success unless your name is Joe Lieberman.
Malloy and Lamont showed up and mingled with about 100 atendees.
Heres the kicker.Only 2 people wore a Lieberman Button (those silly square ones Lieberman bought) and both were Lieberman staffers who left early feeling obviously Rejected.
Ned spent alot of time mingling and then had a sit down interview with a reporter from the Washinton Post.
PS- I won’t say which one but even one of the Lieberman staffers is now the proud owner of a “Kiss Button”.
PPS- overheard the other staffer being asked if his resume’ was up to Date by a staffer for one of the Dem Governor hopefuls(I almost spit out my drink at that one).
I’ve been talking to a few people who know Lieberman about this constitutional inability to think that the campaign against him isn’t a plot of some kind.
As you said CT Bob pointed out, he’s polling every day. He knows damn well that his own Democratic constituents don’t like him. But apparently he can’t or won’t make the connection that it’s because he’s doing a shitty job of representing them.
Swopa 12 — Joe seems to be a bit a-historical. He might wind up making history, however.
Wasn’t the Starland Vocal Band all over those old K-tel commercials?
You know … getting in the way of the Gilligan’s Island, Jeannie and Brady Bunch episodes
it is great to see that the “it’s all about iraq” tune that the leiberman camp has been singing isn’t that catchy a tune after all. but i think they miss a greater problem with that complaint. even if it was just about iraq, that would still be enough of a reason to oust joe. the american public is fed up with the situation in the middle east and tired of feeling helpless to do anything about it. well, i think a lot of people are feeling their opportunity to do something is going to be at the ballot box. now, add to that frustration the distain that the public is feeling for establishment politicians in general, and then you start to get the broader scope of why leiberman is sliding downhill. but of course they are too arrogant to stop and consider that they are where they are because of their own actions, and instead it’s all about the wako fringe bloggers and these traitors plotting against them.
puppethead – Ed Schultz is extremely hostile to the blogs because he views himself as the new savior of the progressives. But he always sounds like an overgrown, obnoxious frat-boy to me.
CTKeith! I’m so sorry I missed it, but I did have a great time at Paul Bass’s house for dinner.
I’m calling you (Keith is going to arrange the place fo our FDL get-together next week here in New Haven.)
More soon.
Ed*ard Teller — Just you wait, I got plenty more errors where that came from.
Jane uses fake Potemkin errors to make herself look more credible and honest. If she let herself be infallible all the time, no-one would trust her.
Daily Show just had this:
Today Bush in Germany, arrived at the podium. Prior to the questions from the German press, he remarked that he was looking forward to the feast (his BBQ meal). The first reporter asked a rather long question wrt the Israel bombardment. And our Preznut answered, with a smirk,
“I thought you were gonna ask about the pig”.
puppethead – I heard that the podcasts for Ned and HoJo are on Ed’s website (sorry no link this moment)
shoephone #19,
I think there is a lot of underestimation of how quickly the bottom can fall out from Lieberman’s machinery if he loses the primary. What is he going to use for a GOTV operation if he’s not able to use the Democratic Party infrastructure?
I don’t see many union halls offering phone banks for his, um, volunteers to use to convince people to kiss his ring. There’s going to be a lot of money spent just building his own organization, unless he can rent from the GOP.
Jane 21 … just make sure you feed the poodles.
Any other error is forgiveable.
ccmask, I saw that at Echidne’s. Utterly disgusting. He’s going to start answering all of Helen Thomas’s questions with “How ’bout them Cowboys!” from now on.
This whole Lieberman campaign reminds me of “The Emperor’s New Clothes.”
Joe: “What do you mean, I’m not wearing any clothes? Everyone’s been praising them, and they come from the finest DC tailors. The women love them – just ask Elizabeth Shipp.”
Sorry, Joe – you’ve been listening to the wrong people for too long.
Shoephone: I think you are right. Between Hillary coming out and saying that she will support the primary winner, and Maxine Waters saying that she is going to stump for Lamont, when Joe loses the primary (and I think that is more than possible) there is absolutely no reason any sane democratic congressmen is going to put his or her neck out to help him. What would they gain? Holy Joe brought this all on himself. I hope he goes down, hard.
Joe: “What do you mean, I’m not wearing any clothes? Everyone’s been praising them, and they come from the finest DC tailors. The women love them – just ask Elizabeth Shipp.”
“They’re so bright and radiant that everyone winces in pain when they gaze upon them!”
John P @13
“The allegations are without merit.”
… and later, only to find that
“The alligators are without mercy.”
What the MSM and the Beltway Dems don’t understand — this has nothing to do with Ned Lamont.
We have rallied round Ned Lamont because he is the real deal, who shares our values and will be one Hell of a Senator — but that is not
Why We Fight.
Joe Leiberman has betrayed his country, his party, and most of all — the voters of Connecticut.
Enough Said —
Joe Lieberman, do the right thing —
Endorse the primary victor, and reclaim your dignity.
Jane,
I think this part of Chuck’s article needs to be answered:
As for the national fallout, a Lieberman loss at this point (with Lieberman selfishly taking out the independent insurance policy) is going to reflect badly on the Democratic Party’s national image. The Republicans (with help from the media) are going to have an easy time painting the Democrats as a “small tent” party with no room for moderate to conservative Democrats like Lieberman….
Who knows, Democrats might get lucky with Lieberman winning big in the primary, and this whole story is swept under the rug.
Regardless of what Joe does after the primary, getting him OFF the Democratic ticket in the fall is a GOOD thing. His criticisms of Democrats will no longer be coming from “one of their own” and he won’t be able to lend “bipartisan” credibility to anything the Repugs do anymore. It will also allow Democrats to be more unified in opposing the disaster in Iraq — very likely to be THE issue in November. (Even Rahm Emanuel is starting to get a clue!) And we’re still the Party that has both Nelsons in the Senate, whose voting records are more conservative than Joe’s (especially Ben), so answering the “small tent” charges should be easy.
A very entertaining post !!
Joe hocked his dignity and lost the ticket.
All ye scribes sucking thy narratives out of Joe Lieberman’s fax machines, consider this an official corrective.
…
“Considering some of the venom that’s being spewed at him?”
the media needs a big dose of Ex-Fax.
HoJo needs a venoma.
Jim @41:
The “small tent” BS is why I so badly want Murtha to campaign for Lamont.
and lets not forget “Bartlett for America”
Go-home-mentum
OT, but just thought I’d point to Eric Boehlert’s piece at HuffPo about the CIVIL WAR at the WSJ – editorial page vs. newsroom over the “editorial” re: the NYT (well, y’all know…)
“The twist this time is the Journal’s own newsroom is on the receiving end of the slime and reporters there want somebody at the Journal to stand up and denounce the reckless behavior of the extreme right editorial page. So far though, the silence emanating from managing editor Paul Steiger’s office has ricocheted around the newsroom.”
Just a short piece if ya wanna take a look…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..24957.html
pulling in the crony pack to back him up.
will Katherine Harris campaign for HoJo? if so , get out the the croan-ipecac
J john in sacramento says: at 8:18 pm
Wasn’t the Starland Vocal Band all over those old K-tel commercials
When I was a young hippie chil’ I was the book buyer for a hippie emporeum, The Rainbow Tree, in Annandale VA. Summer storms would often knock the power out and one of those times Bill and Taffy who were IIRC 2/3 or 1/2 of Starland Vocal Band and also were known around DC as Fat City, got stuck there with us. They sang “Rythym ‘n Blues” (”When you’re lovin’ your lady and all you get’s babies/You got them Rhythm and Blues”) and other harmonious ditties. Nice way to sit out a summer shower.
But, Jane, of course I didn’t plot my scheme to be a plant with Tom Swan and Ned Lamont.
I plotted it with Lowell Weicker, of course. Don’t you know that it’s really Lowell Weicker behind all of the opposition to Joe Lieberman? He’s really the architect of this insidious scheme. I heard it was he who stayed up all night making 6-foot high papier mache kissing heads, too!
we’ve got Colbert on our side !!!
Oooh, the first segment of Colbert Report is going to be about the Lieberman/Lamont race!
Eli – Joe hocked his dignity
HoJo hocked a big loogey on the Dems.
I heard it was he who stayed up all night making 6-foot high papier mache kissing heads, too!
I remember that from that old horror movie, The Weicker Man.
Jim in Chicago at 8:23 pm –
Good Catch; Well Said –
My Take — Joe Lieberman is DINO Republican in disguise . . .
Moderate Democrats have no use for DINO’s that stab other Democrats in the back at every opportunity.
Anyone who disagrees, can go suck eggs . . .
Jim in Chicago 42 — I think that’s essentially a false construct and I’ve written about it a lot before so I didn’t take it up again, but I think your analysis of it is very sound.
Basically — Lieberman’s not being run out because he’s “too conservative,” he’s being run out because he’s an asshole who sucks up to the right when he doesn’t have to (he’s in a blue state) — he just does it because it advances the Cause of Joe Lieberman.
The Democrats need to show they stand for something, and your analysis how Democrats should handle the war in the fall is excellent. Showing that we won’t stand for Joe Lieberman is also an good start.
My Take — Joe Lieberman is DINO Republican in disguise . . .
Joe is a Democrat of convenience. If CT somehow went red, he would change parties in a heartbeat.
Damn you, Eli! (31)
Now the secret is out of the bag.
Maura @50, did you bring your permission slip from Markos when you went to Tigin?
Eli at 30 says: Jane uses fake Potemkin errors to make herself look more credible and honest. If she let herself be infallible all the time, no-one would trust her.
That is actually a trick of sharp salesmen who have a physically intimidating appearance; they will “accidentally on purpose” trip, or spill something, etc. to humanize themselves to the prospect. (Not that Jane is physically intimidating.)
Why the hell hasn’t there been any polling on this for three weeks?
Maura 52 — personally my money was on the bear.
Colbert on Lieberman you go Stephen!
Colbert after showing “The Kiss” : evidently low-approval ratings can be contracted through saliva .
Wasn’t the Starland Vocal Band all over those old K-tel commercials?
They did that odious “Afternoon Delight” monstrosity.
“Skyrockets in flight
Afternoon delight,
A-a-afternoon delight.”
Gag me.
Colbert! Lamont! Wow! Spazeboy, get that episode down!
Joe is a Democrat of convenience. If CT somehow went red, he would change parties in a heartbeat.
If HoJo can eek out a 1 vote victory, he will change parties in an (undead) heartbeat — which ever way the wind blows most favorably up his ass . . .
Colbert is positvely cruel to Lieberman tonight. I love it! Classic!
Thank You Jane Hamsher
Colbert on Lieberman-Tonites word is Inquisition (David Brooks)
You chose Lieberman. You have him for 18 years. Davey Lieberman in 2024. You cannot stop Joemento….. at the corner of Bland and Adequate….. who tongues the president.
Colbert
Brilliant. Brooksy’s Inquisition = Democracy
Airport Cat (60) – you call them “permission slips”; I call them “marching orders”.
Private Maura reporting for duty!
Starland Vocal Band kicked off the Northern Virginia Senate campaign I ran in 1978. Wow, MsBrain, didn’t know you were a NoVaian.
Maura! Hi, you plant! Wow, it was great to see you on the teevee, will you please come out and ask Barbara Boxer a question or two?
stephen colbert just now, wow!
nailed the whole lieberman/lamont deal, brillantly.
Maura: check out http://www.CT4Lamont.com
Curse whoever put that song in my head, and your little dog, too. Everyone suffers, dammit.
http://www.geocities.com/bjaes…..arland.htm
@73 It’s Major Maura now … battlefield commission, you know!!!
God, tonight’s Colbert’s “The Word” is a keeper!
I LOVED IT!
Average price of regular gasoline in states plus DC for 7/13/06
$3.00 15 states
$2.90 18 states
$2.80 16 states
$2.70 2 states
Highest: Hawaii $3.37
Lowest: S. Carolina $2.75
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp
Nymex Crude Future $78.07, up $1.37
Dated Brent Spot $76.54, up $.25
WTI Cushing Spot $76.70, up $1.75
http://www.bloomberg.com/marke…..rices.html
Gas prices have increased. The price of oil is increasing as well due to speculative concerns over instability engendered by Israel’s actions in Gaza and Lebanon. You will probably be seeing gas prices going up, not down in the next few days IMHO.
pdt calling spoiler on your eastern elitenesses.
TeddySanFran (74): I go where Markos tells me to. You’d better ask him.
:-)
Seriously, it’s a pretty sad statement about democracy when a simple thing like a constituent asking a critical (but polite) question of a sitting senator at a public event would make the news in multiple newspapers and TV broadcasts. What I did should be normal, not rare!
op99 @77, if you’ve seen “Good Will Hunting”, perhaps you can think of that song and laugh …
Hee hee, NickM at 47:
“Go-home-mentum” indeed!
I stayed up for Imus this morning (early!) and heard Joe practically whining he was so awful. He kept it up with the”my opponent has 5 different positions on the war”, and “why won’t my opponent stop the attack ads?”, and my favorite: “I stood up for social security.” When he was off the air, Imus pondered what he will do for a guest when Lieberman loses.
What I want to know is why Lieberman and the rest of the dems let W rob the SS trust fund to pay for this war. There went your retirement benefits, folks.
Maura –
You did good . . .
ilson (76) – the link goes to Ned’s site. Is there something different there? (Or just the play on “Connecticut for Lamont”?)
After revealing detailed information about the movement of Israeli troops, a Fox News crew has been shot at on live television.
Partial transcript follows video.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0713.html
AirportCat 82, I remember the movie but not that “song” being in it.
For Maura,
Ya done good, kid.
The Deaniac’s Theme Song
yeah Maura — I also bought http://www.ConnecticutForLamont.com to keep it outta Joe’s paws (forgive my bear reference)
gas prices here in CA are at 3.35 for regular… and a whole lot more for everything else…
funny – we got a BUNCH of refineries in the state… I think our AG has started calling in the oil execs to his office to explain….
Lieberman is definitely a DINO but more to the point he is a neocon: for the war in Iraq, for an aggressive US policy in the Middle East, for unquestioning support of Israel, and for an intrusive, unchecked, and not to be criticized executive.
TeddySF – yup, HS, college (GMU when it was still a UVA satellite), Arlington, Fairfax, Springfield, McLean, Lincoln – got it covered, pretty much. You?
OldCoastie, here’s an
explamication.
Washington, D.C. (August 2, 2005) –
The Coalition Against Terrorist Media (CATM) today praised the 51 U.S. Senators (26 Democrats and 25 Republicans) who signed a letter calling on President Bush to identify Hezbollah’s Al-Manar television as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist organization. This designation will allow the government to take action against al-Manar’s sources of funding and organizations that do business with the station.
SNIP
Israel bombed Al-Manar television today.
Hugh @93, Joe is one o’ them Authoritarian Followers what John Dean was talking about.
Subway, so great to see you here. :-) I hope all is well with your caregiving responsibilities. I was one of the 1000 people who listened to your song last night.
ilson (91) – good work to snap up the URL. Looks like someone snapped up http://connecticutforlieberman.com/ before Lieberman, Party of One, thought to take care of that. Ha!
PS: Here’s the link. http://www.defenddemocracy.org…..ib_id=7397
Looks like someone snapped up http://connecticutforlieberman.com/ before Lieberman, Party of One, thought to take care of that. Ha!
I think CT Bob knows the guy, actually.
AirportCat (78): Do you think promotions come with pay raises? I keep forgetting whether I’m getting my check from Markos or George Soros or Lowell Weicker.
Good article until the fact-challenged crap at the end. This is good for the party, not bad, good for getting us into a position of strength in November and possibly even out of Iraq. It is amazing to me when guys like Todd almost get it and then fall back into their Inside the Beltway herd thought.
Nice try Todd, but you are still a wanker.
WooT!!!
Eli scores a 100!!!
(for now)
This is pretty good wrt Lieberman from yahoo news:
…..he has literally been sleeping with one of their Washington representatives ever since his wife Hadassah joined Hill & Knowlton last year. The legendary lobbying and P.R. firm hired her as a “senior counselor” in its “health and pharmaceuticals practice.”
This news marked Mrs. Lieberman’s return to consulting after more than a decade of retirement. “I have had a life-long commitment to helping people gain better health care,” she said in the press release announcing her new job. “I am excited about the opportunity to work with the talented team at Hill & Knowlton to counsel a terrific stable of clients toward that same goal.”
It would be uplifting to imagine that Hill & Knowlton — after spending the past decade as a defendant in tobacco class-action lawsuits because of its role in propaganda disputing the deadly effects of smoking — is now devoted to improving everybody’s health. More likely, the firm remains devoted to improving the profits of its clientele, which has historically included Enron, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, the Saudis, the Kuwaitis, American International Group and Boeing.
Maura @ 9:00 pm (#101) – Set yourself up as a consultant, and you can take checks from all three.
Eli scores a 100!!!
(for now)
Maura’s connected. She’ll talk Jane into deleting something.
“I have had a life-long commitment to helping people gain better health care,”
*snort*
Maura @101,
I keep forgetting whether I’m getting my check from Markos or George Soros or Lowell Weicker.
That’s because you just endorse it back to Markos’s offshore account without ever looking at it … and your payraise goes in the same place …
Eli –
you begin to understand, grasshopper –
can you impart your understanding to your atrios cohort buds?
Oh, boy, I didn’t know that Mrs. Lieberman signed up with Hill & Knowlton in March 2005. The firm’s clients included GlaxoSmithKline, the British pharmaceutical giant that manufactures the bird flu vaccine…wow.
I guess birds of a feather do flock together.
ccmask @ 9:01 pm (#104) – [Hadassah L. said] “I have had a life-long commitment to helping people gain better health care,”
Which people? Big pharma executives already had good health care.
Jane, I am reading your wonderful descriptions of the campaign events, but as an old party hack with 25 years of various kinds of campaign experience, I want to know some silly technical things — but the things I depend on to evaluate how a campaign is going.
Yep, counting yard signs is important. But what kind of neighborhoods have more, less, nearly equal for Lieberman. It is a rough way to count demographics.
What is Lamont’s Voter ID program like both for likely primary voters and for “Never Voted in a Primary Before — but definately will this time round?” Does he have calling rooms in donated places? (If you farm out your lists to be done at home, sometimes it doesn’t get done.) I saw the pictures of the small district meetings he’s having around the state — do people leave these meetings with jobs to do? What? Do they have field coordination staff for following up on this?
What is the style in CT — do they doorknock and hand deliver literature? If so, do they have lots of volunteers?
These are the “mechanical” things that actually are critical to winning — few people go to rallies who are not already motivated. It is what is meant as “ground game” and every state does it a little differently. I’d like a picture of it in CT. And if you know a mole in Lieberman’s operation — tell us about that too.
y’know, everybody works out their “lifelong commitment to helping people gain better health care” differently. Me, I did HIV prevention in sex clubs, but Hill and Knowlton sounds fun too. Go Hadassah!
… he has literally been sleeping with one of their Washington representatives ever since his wife Hadassah joined Hill & Knowlton last year …
Has this been officially verified by whatever MSM wankers were *investigating* the Clinton’s marital sleeping arrangements? (Please, no pictures. This means you, DarkBlack!)
Ouch!, a bulletin (www.ouch.org) issued by Public Campaign, the finance reform group, notes that George W. Bush ostentatiously thanked Robert Ingram for his fine work chairing a fundraising dinner that garnered $30 million for the Republican Congressional Committee. Ouch! further notes that Ingram is CEO of GlaxoSmithKline.
y’know, everybody works out their “lifelong commitment to helping people gain better health care” differently. Me, I did HIV prevention in sex clubs, but Hill and Knowlton sounds fun too. Go Hadassah!
As Cujo points out, “people” is a very open-ended term. It could just refer to, say, incumbent senators.
… he has literally been sleeping with one of their Washington representatives ever since his wife Hadassah joined Hill & Knowlton last year …
Has this been officially verified by whatever MSM wankers were *investigating* the Clinton’s marital sleeping arrangements?
She’s in the Who’s Who!
The idea that Kos or anyone tells people what to do…well, that idea is put forward by people who do not understand the non-authoritarian mindset.
You tell me to color in the lines? I’ll sketch on the back of the page.
I didn’t register at dKos for quite a while because I saw that people rate comments. Pfft, I didn’t think much of that so forget it. (I didn’t understand it was to prevent abuse and trolls.)
And I have a fairly low user number.
TeddySanFran @ 9:09 pm (#113) – I bet Hill and Knowlton pay better, too. Fun’s important, but so are those groceries!
puppethead at 33: Yeah, I wonder if Joe remembers that you need a ground game to win, or if it’s been long enough since he had serious competition (anyone know?) that he’s forgotten the “little people” in campaigns even exist, and thinks all he needs are slick TV and print ads and his “charm.”
When writing about Lieberman’s interview on Ed Schultz today (in the previous thread) I forgot to mention that he brought up that business of how the party needs HIM in order to win those congressional seats.
Jane, you and Chuck Todd have it right. His running will distract from those races.
Cujo359
Thanks for the comments on the prior thread, and for the link. I hadn’t heard about it, but it looks like an interesting conference.
Teensy Typo in the post, should be: one “repellent” package–just in case Arianna or others link…
Love that Ned’s The Word. Colbert was on fire tonight, Daily Show too. Perfect nightcap.
G’night…
Mommybrain 5
Yes, he couldn’t have done better. He was just perfect.
“I will support Joe Lieberman for the primary and beyond the primary,” Salazar said. “I appreciate his strong stance of independence. We need more senators like Joe Lieberman.” Ken Salazar (D) CO
Oh, to rid ourselves of the perfidious Salazar!
. . . and your little dog, too at 120 said:
When writing about Lieberman’s interview on Ed Schultz today (in the previous thread) I forgot to mention that he brought up that business of how the party needs HIM in order to win those congressional seats.
Jane, you and Chuck Todd have it right. His running will distract from those races.
Are Republicans really fired up about HoJo, such that Republican turnout would be increased? Or do they view him as the lesser of two evils, and be inclined to stay home and let the Dems duke it out? Or would they be fired up against Ned and turn out for HoJo?
@121, not sure I understand the logic. Say Lamont def. Lieberman, crybaby runs as in-Depends-dent, picks up endorsements of R’s Shays, Simmons, and Johnson. This reinforces what we already know: Lieberman is a Republican ringer. Can’t Lamont and other real Dems beat them over the head with it?
Do the R’s really look “moderate” by endorsing Lieberman, or opportunistic? are you sure this helps them, and if so why?
susan at 9:22 pm –
better to bring the wayward lamb Salazars back into the flock — if you get my drift . . .
OT:
From sanctimonious horseshit…
To the usual sociopathic banter:
…May the climb out of this twilight of the collective soul be hastened for us all
Punaise 44
I haven’t said this often enough, but you tickle me into the giggles.
TeddySanFran: This ones for you :))
Police arrested five AIDS activists who chained themselves to a conference table in the Manhattan office of GlaxoSmithKline Plc, the world’s second largest drug company.
Twenty-five ACT UP demonstrators burst into Glaxo’s 21st floor office at 499 Park Avenue at 1:30 p.m., said Mark Milano a member of ACT UP New York. The group says the company has blocked the export of less expensive AIDS medications to South Africa and Ghana.
Bloomberg News— “GlaxoSmithKline’s NY Offices Targeted
Atrios has posted the video of Colbert skewering Lieberman, in case anyone missed it.
“L……. has been living on the edge…” like parasite feeding on it’s host. If he does have a backup plan he will really prove what a growing majority think about him and other dishonest incumbents-They have no respect for Democracy, the voice of the voters. They only want respect for themselves. They need to earn it. We need to respect ourselves too. We need to stop being used. Regardless of our affiliations we need to show we have no fear in doing the right thing. And as for the “plant”-Joe is so Far Right we should be expecting him to plant softball news people like his boss George.
And as for the “plant”-Joe is so Far Right we should be expecting him to plant softball news people like his boss George.
Is Jeff Gannon busy these days?
I’m back from “Drinking Liberally” it was just ok, but there could be potential there. I think its a ‘wait and see’ thing.
Anyone See Imm?
Op99 77
Hey, hey, HEY!
That damned song is running around in my head, too!
Anyone See Imm?
He was here earlier, but hasn’t been around for at least an hour or two.
“I thought you were gonna ask about the pig”.
“No, thanks, sir, we already know how you’re doing.”
At least, that’s what I dream the reporter would retort.
HSaT —
Drinking Liberally in Denver ROCKS!!!
Check out the latest, and the local DL blogsters –
http://www.squarestate.net/sho…..aryId=1917
http://www.squarestate.net/frontPage.do
. . . and your little dog, too, ever since you showed up at FDL, I’ve been appending
“and your little dog, too” to 5 things a day. It makes me that much more annoying than usual. So thank you.
ck @128
better to bring the wayward lamb Salazars back into the flock — if you get my drift …
oooohh! great idea! I love lamb kabobs!!
. . . and your little dog, too, ever since you showed up at FDL, I’ve been appending
“and your little dog, too” to 5 things a day.
“We’re going to need two more Websphere application server JVMs.”
“…and your little dog, too!”
I’ll have to give it some thought.
OP99 139
It’s so much more genteel than “and the horse you rode in on”. :)
Thank you Eli an CK…
Imm was asking after me a couple threads back but I had already split. I’ll catch up to him later. I ‘m gonna check the DL blogs here and apparently in Denver…I love Denver, we were there in May. Plus Denver has great beer. Thanks again you two.
Speaking of user names . . . one of my very favorites has disappeared.
What happened to Kate O’Beirn’s Teeth?
little dog…that is a good one…
“We’re going to need two more Websphere application server JVMs, the horse you rode in on, and your little dog, too!”
There. How’s that?
A little bird of my acquaintance asks for our help:
NEEDED FROM FIREPUPS: Please discuss these stories where possible so as to generate buzz that encourages the corporate-owned media to cover this story as it has been largely shut out. Please blog about it if you have a blog.
In short, we are talking about the international condemnation of our government for violations of human rights on American soil against Americans, in manners consistent with abuses by U.S. military and intelligence forces abroad.
This may be the very thing that the Bush Administration has been seeking to obscure, what with the currently escalation in the Middle East and the publication of Novak’s non-story. This is as bad and as important as the Wilson lawsuit; the public must hear about it.
IF you don’t have a blog of your own, this is one of the important reasons why you should have one — to be the free press that we do not otherwise have, to stand up and be heard for those who cannot be heard. Thank you.
[ed. notes: USG = US Government; 456 = 456-page]
Stephen @85-re: our retirement- And why do they get to keep the war separate from the Federal Budget? We can’t pretend we haven’t filled our cars with gas. It’s time to make these people fast learners. It’s time to clean House and Senate.
There. How’s that?
That could work, but we’re going to need to fill out a lot of exception paperwork to get userIDs for the horse and the dog.
Hope:
At Drinking Liberally, did you get a sense of the John Courage/ Lamar Smith Congressional race?
OfT Republicans have forgotten their U.S. History. In some ways the U.S. Civil War started in Bloody Kansas @1857. This is where the Middle East is right now.
Jane,
Thanks for your kind comments; after reading them, I sent an email to Mr. Todd along the lines of my post #41 but with my last point strengthened, per your observations on my post:
Perhaps most important, Joe’s defeat will allow Democrats to be more unified in opposing the disaster in Iraq — very likely to be THE issue in November. (Even Rahm Emanuel is starting to get a clue!) As for the “small tent” charge, that should be easy to answer: the Democrats are still the Party that has both Nelsons in the Senate (for example), whose voting records are more conservative than Joe’s (especially Ben), so there is plenty of room for “conservatives” in our tent. But there is NO room for people who constantly give ammunition to the political opposition in order to get their face on TV every weekend.
http://nationaljournal.com/abo…..711nj1.htm
Lists salaries and titles of a bunch of White House employees.
A LOT of people making in the 30 thousand range…tell me, for DC, that’s not great, right? But that’s as much as a teacher makes starting out. “Gift analyst.” What is that?
I need a vacation…
Yes, there are conservatives that want to defend the constitution and manage the budget wisely and we should remember that. My conservative cousins tells be everyone is fed up.
OT, but close
Steve Clemons notes that folks who want to pick sides in the Plame controversy have their choice of legal funds to which they can donate – the Wilson’s or Irving’s.
Is there a non-campaign-oriented website akin to ActBlue for donations to legal defense funds? I’d love to compare the two funds, just to see who’s ahead, who’s giving how much, and to whom.
Follow the money . . .
Gotta promote some Sharkbabe from an earlier fdl thread:
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As I said over at watertiger’s – Ken Lay was no mere James Byrd – nay, he was Anne Frank. He was Andrea Yates’s children. He was the civilians of Hiroshima. He was the Rwandan Tutsis. He was the Seminole on the Trail of Tears. He was Grandma Millie. He was the millions of European dead from the bubonic plague. He was St. Francis of Assisi, Gandhi, the Buddha, Mother Teresa, Jesus, and Nelson Mandela. He was Tai Shan.
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Sara @ 112 — I’m not Jane, but I’m sitting in the middle of this race.
There’s no real comparison, demographically, of Ned vs. Joe lawn signs because there are SO FEW Lieberman signs out there. Seriously, it’s stunning. I saw one house that put three Joe signs on its lawn, apparently to counteract the 10 Lamont signs on the street. Doesn’t matter the kind of neighborhood—if there are signs, they are for Ned.
One of Ned’s biggest GOTV pushes is a neighbor-to-neighbor program, called “Friends, Family, and Neighbors.” You literally go through the voter rols, find people you know, and send them a postcard about the primary and Ned–and it’s from YOU, via the campaign. Then you followup with a phone call. The campaign is counting on active volunteers to get the word out like a virus. You can check it out and see how it works at Ned’s web site. But people are also encouraged to go to a campaign office and literally go through books of registered voters looking for people they know. I have no idea how/if it’s working, but I sent out 38 postcards myself, I got my sister to switch from independent to Dem to vote in the primary, and I absolutely HOUNDED a friend to be sure she applied for an absentee ballot before she left for vacation for the summer. One vote at a time is my mantra, and it seems to be Team Ned’s as well.
I don’t know if they are sending phone lists home with volunteers. It’s never been an option offered to me, though.
There’s very little door-knocking campaigning here in New Haven where I live. The candidates for your local alderman will no doubt stop by at some point, but that’s it. It’s just never really been done in the years that I’ve been politically active. Handouts in shopping malls and the like I’ve seen in the past (not with Ned, though), but not home outreach.
By the way, today I got a fantastic direct mail piece from the Lamont campaign that was ALL about Joe’s stand on emergency contraception for rape victims. I’m thinking it had to be timed to the PP and NARAL endorsements of Joe—though those got pretty much zero news coverage here, anyway.
for me, it’s about the criminals in the whitehouse, and how to get rid of them . my children agree, and my grandchildren are learning, that these creatures are the planets’ most unbalanced of humanity’s diversity….they slaughter certain portions of humanity for profit. the occupation of iraq is only one example of the cheney-bush crime family’s blood lust. cheneys’ attempted public murder of harry whittington is another example.
note to congress; stop paying the criminals.
defund haliburton’s mercenary forces, aka, us army, incorporated…also known as ‘torture we be’…booyah!
planting, and nurturing, a tree or three would also be very helpful.
just say grow!
Donna at 10:05 pm –
Ned Lamont GETS IT –
Joe Leaverman — an aristocrat (wannabe) Senator, lookin’ for his retinue . . .
Donna, great work for your next Senator, thanks from all of us hoping for the best for you. Keep us posted, your reports from Connecticut mean a lot!
Dana Milbank chattin’ at 11 eastern at WaPoO:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00405.html
Questions may be submitted now!
Donna 158 — yep, exactly. No Lieberman signs anywhere. I wrote earlier — as someone said last night, if winds up a battle of lawn signs, it’s going to be Ned vs. Coldwell Banker.
I know I see a selective picture of things given the people I’m likely to be in contact with here, but I just don’t see any indication of Joementum. Anywhere.
Donna 10:05 pm — thanks for that detailed report; as an activist doing field work, that kind of information is extremely valuable. Hope you’ll be sharing this at My Left Nutmeg and the other CT blogs.
Hi JH, I was just thinking about [Bill] Clinton’s [/Bill] comments, as reported earlier on FDL.
I’d like someone to ask Bill about who he would support, his good friend the Joe-sen One, or Ned Lamont.
TeddySF @ 156
Those words from Sharkbabe made me wonder how Lay’s fellow Texan Lloyd Bentson might have welcomed KennyBoy at the Pearly Gates: “Kenny, up here I’ve had a chance to meet St. Francis, Ghandi, Mother Theresa, and the rest. I’ve gotten to know them. They’re friends of mine. And you sir . . . “
Good snark, sharkbabe!
A slightly OT literary reference — the Bhagavad-Gita . . .
The Bhagavad-Gita is a small part of the Mahabharata — the story of the epic struggle between two families in legendary India.
The Bhagavad-Gita is the small excerpt, in which Krishna (the god Vishnu incarnate) expounds on the revealed truth, persuading Arjuna to defy the rules of war, step out of his chariot, and kill his half brother.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arjuna
So it is with us, and Joe Lieberman — HoJo has been trapped by his lies, his Bush luvin’ chariot stuck fast in the mud.
Ned Lamont needs no persuasion — HoJo has betrayed his party, and betrayed his state; we who are faithful to both will guide the arrow . . .
new thread — late nite special edition . . .
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..lieberman/
You people should really be nicer to me.
. . . and your little dog, too 130
tickle me into the giggles
glad to fog your goggles :~)
little dog at 146
If you check back here, no I didn’t get any ‘feel’ about anything at this DL meeting.
I got there about an hour into it, 20 or so people and no one seemed to know much about the local or national scene. There were a couple 3 people that there might be a future with. I guess I’ll just wait and see.
Hugh #80… It is important to note that the gasoline prices are particularly high in CT… averaging $3.19″ — the third highest in the 50 states! Much higher than surrounding states.
This does not help CT incumbents like Joe Lieberman.
Compare Lieberman to MD’s Barbara Mikulski – voted for the war, not always voting w the Dems when desirable. But loved. Why? Because she is Maryland’s senator, not senator eminence grise at large for life. She brings money home, does not kiss George Bush or the GOP, and is recognized as our mean loyal two-balled bitch for Maryland.
The answer that Joe-No-Mentum gave Maura for running as an idependent (he wants more people to have the opportunity to vote for him) is very telling. He knows that he’s completely alienated the hardcore base of Dem PPVs (prevalent primary voters), the ones who actually get out in vote in mid-term elections, and he’s betting on moderate Republicans to come to his rescue in the general election.
I misread the “kick me” sign on Liebermans’s back. I thought it said “fuck you, dems.”
The party name “Connecticut for Lieberman” says it all… if he was truly serving his state, wouldn’t it be Lieberman for Connecticut.
To quote him: “Joe must go”
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Lieberman’s gonna run a distant 3rd if he loses the primary. This is just a repeat of Jacob Javits – a very popular Senator – losing the Republican primary in 1980 in NY to Al D’Amato. Javits thought his general popularity would get him enough cross over votes to win, but the democrats voted for the democrat, and the republicans voted for the guy they voted for in the primary. Same thing will happen to Holy Joe. Bank on it.
Holy Joe is condemning Bill/Monica but supports George Bush and Connie Rice affair now that’s religion folks. Maybe Joe thought Cheney would shoot him. Look Joe is so far up Bush/Cheney/Rummy’s butt he can’t be seen anymore. Every suck up is looking for a piece of the US Treasury money. It’s all about the money as these guys steal the taxpayers money. So don’t be fooled by the sermon’s Satan is in charge and he has all the GOP followers with Holy Joe and other Dem’s leading the way.
“Speaking of Ed Schultz, I heard Ned Lamont kicked some butt on his show today but that Lieberman sounded like a whiny Republican. Anyone hear them on Schultz’s show today?”
Leiberman dismissed how many times he’s been on Hannity’s show. Ed asked why he would appear on such a show. Leiberman responded – oh I’m hardly ever on , I’m on your show more than Hannity’s – or something to that affect, He’s such a whiny liar.
The sad thing is that this man, who won the vice-presidential race in 2000, was poised to lead the Democratic Party. He could have lead the principled opposition to Bush. But he chose instead a path of obsequious ingratiation.