
The Bob Novak CYA Reputation Renewal Tour continues. Yesterday, Novak had an exclusive with those hard-hitting journalists Hannity and Colmes. (Well, Colmes actually asked questions that went beyond the "that’s a great suit Bob, tell us where you had it tailored," anyway…Hannity, not so much.) Crooks and Liars has Novak in all his ass-covering smarminess.
I got an e-mail from Joe Wilson a little while ago with his response to Novak, and let’s just say that Amb. Wilson is not at all pleased with the continuing saga of Novak failing to take any responsibility for acting as a political hatchet job tool-of-the-day. Thought you all would be interested in what Amb. Wilson had to say:
Robert Novak, some other commentators and the Administration continue to try to completely distort the role that Valerie Wilson played with respect to Ambassador Wilson’s trip to Niger. The facts are beyond dispute. The Office of the Vice President requested that the CIA investigate reports of alleged uranium purchases by Iraq from Niger. The CIA set up a meeting to respond to the Vice President’s inquiry. Another CIA official, not Valerie Wilson, suggested to Valerie Wilson’s supervisor that the Ambassador attend that meeting. That other CIA official made the recommendation because that official was familiar with the Ambassador’s vast experience in Niger and knew of a previous trip to Africa concerning uranium matters that had been undertaken by the Ambassador on behalf of the CIA in 1999. Valerie Wilson’s supervisor subsequently asked her to relay a request from him to the Ambassador that he would like the Ambassador to attend the meeting at the CIA. Valerie Wilson did not participate in the meeting.
I’m still waiting for someone to ask Bob Novak Swopa’s questions: "Who was the first person to tell him that Joe Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA? Did he know this when he spoke to his supposed "primary source"?"
Was Bob already fishing with a fully loaded line? If so, who handed him the bait?
Wouldn’t we all like to know that one…but we sure as hell didn’t get it from Hannity and Colmes last night, despite Alan Colmes asking some pretty good questions about the…erm…discrepancies in Novak’s various statements, interviews, and rantings. Here’s a snippet of the interview (via C&L):
COLMES: Help me understand something, because you said in your piece today that you found out Valerie Plame’s name originally by reading a "Who’s Who." And you’re quoted in "Newsday" by Timothy Phelps and Knut Royce a while back as saying, "I didn’t dig it out. It was given to me," meaning her name. "They thought it was significant. They gave me the name, and I used it."
That sounds like contradictory statements.
NOVAK: Well, that was a misstatement. That was an interview I did on the telephone with "Newsday" shortly after it appeared. Some of the things that they said that quoted me that are not in quotes are paraphrases, and they’re incorrect, such as the whole idea that they planted this story with me. I never told that to the "Newsday" reporters.
But, as a matter of fact, let me assure you that neither my primary source gave — mentioned Valerie Plame’s name to me, nor did Karl Rove mention the name to me, nor did the CIA spokesman. They just talked about Joe Wilson’s wife. I got her name from "Who’s Who"…
COLMES: You said that Bill Harlow asked you not to go with this. Are there others who urged, "Don’t go with this story. Don’t print it. Don’t use the name. Don’t talk about Valerie Plame"? Why didn’t you listen to them, if that’s the case?
NOVAK: If I — Alan, if I adhered to — if I bowed to somebody who asked me not to write stories all the time who are in government, about half the columns I write would not be written, or a great number would not be written.
If he had said to me at any time that she was — that she was — her life was in danger, she was involved in undercover activities…
Well, isn’t that interesting.
Two things: (1) I sure hope to hell that Newsday recorded the conversation with Bob Novak. Because he just called them sloppy journalists and basically accused them of fabricating his quotes. If they have a tape, and a transcript of said tape, now would be the time to publish it. (And I mean the entire transcript, start to weaselly finish.) (2) According to Bill Harlow, the conversation with Novak went something like this:
Harlow, the former CIA spokesman, said in an interview yesterday that he testified last year before a grand jury about conversations he had with Novak at least three days before the column was published. He said he warned Novak, in the strongest terms he was permitted to use without revealing classified information, that Wilson’s wife had not authorized the mission and that if he did write about it, her name should not be revealed.
Harlow said that after Novak’s call, he checked Plame’s status and confirmed that she was an undercover operative. He said he called Novak back to repeat that the story Novak had related to him was wrong and that Plame’s name should not be used. But he did not tell Novak directly that she was undercover because that was classified.
So, let’s see, the spokesperson for the CIA checks out your journalistic call and gets back to you saying Valerie’s name is NOT to be used…and you blow it off because he doesn’t give you every detail of her covert status, her driver’s license number and do a tap dance to Mr. Bojangles while playing the tune on a kazoo? What, are you a journalistic moron (yeah, don’t bother to answer that…)? Harlow could not, under his SF-312 requirements, disclose any details because it was…wait for it…about covert status. (btw, see Emptywheel’s fantastic dissection of this WaPo Pincus article. Great read.)
That Novak could not understand the flat out "Hello, Bob. Do not publish her name. There are consequences involved." when speaking to someone at the C…I…freaking…A, well…words fail me. Of course, when you are looking for a loophole that allows you to get the dirt out and never take responsibility for being the WHIG tool, you don’t exactly want to have listening comprehension at the top of your journalist kit bag, do you?
There is a reason that Novak is on a reputation rehabilitation tour — it’s because his reputation is in the crapper, and no one trusts him.
Not his fellow journalists. Not the political operatives who used to leak to him, especially now that everyone knows he spilled his guts early and often to Fitzgerald and the grand jury and the FBI.
And FOX has a contract with this weasel and is pimping his rehab like there is no tomorrow because…wait for it…they can’t use him as a propaganda tool if everyone still thinks of him as a weaselly liar who would sell out anyone, including a covert CIA agent working on nuclear nonproliferation issues during a time when our nation is threatened by this very issue, if he was asked to do so — because Bob Novak has never, ever apologized to the Wilsons for being the tool by which the WHIG exacted its political revenge on Joe Wilson.
And I have news for Bob Novak, that’s going to be the first line of his obituary, no matter how much rehab PR he and his Murdoch masters try to spin out. It’s too late for reputation rehab for Mr. Novak, I’m afraid.
Oh, and Murray Waas is likely off the Novak Christmas card list. But I bet he’s not losing any sleep over it. I know I’m not.
Steve Clemons has more.
UPDATE: Reader smass has a good question in the comments:
You know, I have a question here. From H&C:
NOVAK: If I — Alan, if I adhered to — if I bowed to somebody who asked me not to write stories all the time who are in government, about half the columns I write would not be written, or a great number would not be written.
So, then, Bob admits that he was asked not to run with that part of the story. Does this mean, then, that the right-wing is going to call for Bob to be prosecuted for treason? I mean, one of their arguments against the NYT is that they were asked not to run the story.
Maybe Novak falls under the WSJ exception: if someone from the Administration asks you to print national security information for any reason whatsoever, including CYA for Dick Cheney and his peeps, you are on base and can’t be tagged. (Doesn’t that pretty much sum up the wingnut position in a nutshell?)
UPDATE #2: Justin Rood at the Muck has even more on this, including all the ways in which Novak was inaccurate about Murray Waas. Well worth a read. (Hat tip to lotus for the find.)



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fitz
i got zero!!!!!!! woo HOOOOOOOOOO
Fitz!
Rootz!
Ned!
(almost got it)
Plame!
woo-hoo, thanks CHS.
Hi, Ambassador Wilson!
please do not diss weasels by associating them with Bob Novak !
Novak’s picture appears in the dictionary next to the words “bullshitter”, “fake”, “hack”, “liar”, “propagandist”, “skank”, “skease”, “smarmy”…I’m still working my way through it, I’m sure I’ve missed entire letters and T through Z.
That’s one way to save on dictionary publication expenses, I guess.
I have always been on Joe Wilson’s side on this debate. However, isn’t having a contract with Fox News mean automatically that you have NO journalistic integrity, and are just mainly the propaganda wing of the religious fundamentalists, the NRA, and the neo-cons?
They don’t call Bob No-Facts the “Douchebag of Liberty” for nothing.
Once a political hack, always a political hack. Why doesn’t this tool get the Jayson Blair treatment? Oh, right, because he is carrying water for the power-elite.
-GSD
Looks like the Lebanese army is getting close to being sucked into this new war.
Katyusha rockets have hit the Israeli city of Haifa.
This is getting bad and badder by the minute.
P.S. I never knew that Less Kinsolving was a Worldnut Daily reporter. That explains it all.
The “who’s Who” says Valerie Flame worked for the CIA? I doubt that.
Which Who’s Who was this? Novack found Valerie Plame’s name and no doubt her real occupation and status in a Who’s Who. Wow, Bob, any other whoppers you want to tell us?
If Bob Novak is a journalist than I’m a fucking movie star. He’s nothing more than a political operative with a keyboard and some very, shall we say “cooperative” editors.
Novak is a disgrace to this country, to the media outlets that peddle his junk and every GOP hitman that has him on speed dial.
Someone needs to put this man out on the curb next Monday morning.
Now let me tell you howe I really feel.
Why do I get the feeling that the good Ambassador would privately like to poke that douchemonger* Novak in the nose?
* hat tip to GSD for my favorite new word.
I had to laugh about the mention of a Novak obituary. Was he ever alive, in a human sense?
EPU’d on an off-topic ramble on Specter/FISA/NSA/Graham/Haynes and the weird rumblings taking place between the Senate and the WH. Bob Novak ain’t the only one trying to cover his ass in this round world.
peace,
jim
I’m getting that dizzy feeling again… Bush is running his mouth in Germany and somehow Iran not coming to the table to negotiate nuculur weapons is the cause of the conflict b/n Israel and Lebanon…
I just never understand this foreign policy stuff
Thanks Christy for presenting the other
side of the story.
Did you hear that idiot Rollins on Matthews last night? We owe Karl Roverpuss an apology!
We owe Ambassador Wilson an apology and bags of money for their smearing character assasination (sp?)
Jack
There’s a reason Novak only appears in fora where he knows the most ferocious interrogator he’ll face is Alan “Wet Dishrag” Colmes. He backed out of a debate with Eric Alterman, and even that sad little choreographed Punch’n’Judy show with the increasingly useless Mr Mary Matalin was more than he could take.
Christy, thanks for the post!
Les’ question was posed to Snowballs the other day and I smacked my sore head then, too, GSD. SOOOOOO pre 911.
this is gonna be hell on earth and Merkel and the Simian are having a mutual admiration society meeting. Yep, Haifa was hit and Lebanon is being destroyed again.
Here’s what Michael Young from the Daily Star had to say today at the end of his chat:
>>>>>>>>>>
Michael Young: I’ll close by saying that I’m very worried about the situation. In a way, I feel that a great deal of the Israeli reaction is simply revenge. I can’t imagine that all this destruction has a political objective. I can see some Israeli objectives. But if Lebanon is, ultimately, destroyed, then that will only benefit Hezbollah and Syria. And I think it will severely weaken those forces in Lebanon who, a year ago, called on Syria to withdraw, who would like to see Hezbollah disarmed and who, frankly, have a vision of Lebanon as a more open, peaceful society.
Has anybody checked the Who’s Who that Novack claims he got the name from?
*ilson, thanx for standing up for weasels.
Novak appears to be carved out of unadulterated slime. For some reason every time I imagine his face (which I have only been exposed to on TV), I start simultaneously thinking about how to spell “oleogineous.” I wonder if I spelled it correctly this time. I’d look it up in a dictionary, but am afraid the definition would be accompanied by a small photo of his visage.
Marquis Who’s Who has a lot of titles. Novack needs to supply the exact title and year of the edition.
http://www.marquiswhoswho.com/…..tories.asp
BTW, I can’t get FOX TV where I live. Okay, I’ll quit bragging now!
Down with the Urinary Expletive!
I love the moronic wingnut logic. “If the CIA didn’t want Valerie Wilson to be exposed then thye should have told No-Facts that she was covert.
That is some seriously studpid circular logic.
-GSD
I’ll tell you what the really funny thing is
most wing nuts are believing that the cia is a run amok arm of the government set to overthrow the whtiehosue
true, that’s what they believe
GSD
It’s the same logic they use when they say if you have nothing to hide, then why should you care about wiretaps.
GSD#8
I don’t want to hijack this thread, but do you have a site that is discussing this latest lebanon craziness. Trying to learn about this. thanks.
You know, I have a question here. From H&C:
So, then, Bob admits that he was asked not to run with that part of the story. Does this mean, then, that the right-wing is going to call for Bob to be prosecuted for treason? I mean, one of their arguments against the NYT is that they were asked not to run the story.
Ah yes. The Good Christian Ralph Reed and the devout Jew Jack Abramoff.
Looking to “mortgage” the lives of poor Indians and African Americans to make money.
God in action.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001121.php
-GSD
Recent polls have the contemptable Ralph Reed tanking. Must be a sign from God.
Christy,
I don’t think you’ll need to wait for Novak’s obituary to see him identified as a WHIG tool. I’m reasonably sure that it’s the first line in his entry in Who’s Who.
Or did I get that from Newsday?
Here’s a pdf of the entire Who’s Who page with the Joe Wilson entry:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..hoswho.pdf
I know, completely OT – but Israel and Shrub are ratcheting up the language that Iran is involved with the conflict with Lebanon…
it worries me that this is how we will get into a war with Iran via this route…
No mention of VPW being CIA, in case there was any doubt.
If Jesus Christ came back today and saw all the shit that’s being done in His name, he would never stop throwing up.
– Max von Sydow as Frederick in Hannah and Her Sisters, by Woody Allen
Aaargh, I hate that bastard. I see nothing heroic or revelatory (at least not intentionally) in anything he’s said since he so grandiosely announced that he was now free to speak on his involvement in the Plame case.
And I cannot believe he is *still* flogging that nonsense that they didn’t really out Valerie Plame because… he had to LOOK UP the name of Wilson’s wife?
Jaysus. Anyone who falls for that is too dumb to be a journalist.
How can they even trot out this “accident” bullshit when McClellan and I believe Rove have said that the leaks were a way of “countering” Wilson’s “lies”? they’ve already admitted this.
Didn’t his first lie say that her company made a campaign contrubution and that’s where he got it. Disclaimer: I’m wrong alot.
*ilson –
open bold near the end of the prior thread . . .
Thanks op99, I thought someone who was interested in the truth would’ve done it already.
That Novak could not understand the flat out “Hello, Bob. Do not publish her name. There are consequences involved.” when speaking to someone at the C…I…freaking…A, well…words fail me.
This has always been the UNBELIEVABLE part to me. It’s not like Novak is a dewey eyed young thing in chiffon either.
Chimpy Scorecard for today:
Oil-$76.00 a barrel
Dow Jones-down 126 and counting.
Deficit-300 billion dollars-yippee!
North Korea-telling the US and the world-F.U.
Iran-telling the US and the world-F.U.
Afghanistan-6 years after the Taliban has been “deafeated” they are resurgent.
Iraq-In the first throes of a civil war.
Israel/Palestine-Open war and the region is going up in flames.
US-New Orleans is stuck in mud. The Big Dig is falling apart.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
-ck- @ 35
Got it.
GSD,
The Israelis are greatly misunderstood. All they want is peace and if peace requires them to shoot up their neighbors, they will because peace is that important to them.
Lies, lies, lies — that’s all the goopers have in stock, so that’s all they deal in.
The Palm Beach Post just caught Alligator Bag in another one, too:
Harris pads role, impact on housing, reports say
By Larry Lipman
Palm Beach Post Washington Bureau
Thursday, July 13, 2006
WASHINGTON — On the campaign trail and in her literature, U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris boasts that, as a freshman member of Congress, she passed the American Dream Downpayment Act, “enabling 4.5 million low-income workers to own their first home while growing the U.S. economy by $256 billion.”
Federal reports indicate Harris’ claims are grossly exaggerated.
A Government Accountability Office report issued June 30 found that, through 2005, only $98.5 million of the $211 million Congress appropriated had been used by local governments to help more than 13,000 low-income families buy new homes — far below her claim of 4.5 million.
Harris also has taken projections of the Bush administration’s goals for expanding minority homeownership and used them as the basis of her claims for the economic impact of the American Dream Downpayment Act.
Harris’ congressional spokesman, Gerry Fritz, conceded Wednesday that the claims in her campaign literature were inaccurate.
“Someone in the campaign made an error,” he said, acknowledging that Harris’ figures came from a 2002 Department of Housing and Urban Development report that predicted President Bush’s goal of expanding minority homeownership by 5.5 million families “will stimulate an additional $256 billion in benefits to the housing sector of the U.S. economy.”
[etc., etc.]
The wingnuts are out in force on the airwaves over Novak’s serenade. “Joe Wilson outed his wife himself” I heard someone say. “Novak says this, and it must be so.” “It’s straight outta the horse’s (pretend I wrote ass and then struck it out. The HTLM codes on my mac are so small I can’t read them) mouth, ya gotta believe it.”
I don’t gotta believe a word out of Novak’s () mouth. When he became Roman Catholic recently and then joined Opus Dei, the ultimate in “authoritarian” religions and clubs, respectively, he proved his mettle. He’s always been a Repug water carrier and his behind-the-scene bad actions and public bad-boy persona wore thin years ago. I hope he rips his pants before stalking off someone’s ;…./stage next time.
I think it is a ploy to involve Iran in war. What has Bush said regarding Israel’s nukes and his American soldier’s in harm’s way in this battle, anything?
Mary, if you haven’t heard the latest re Barbaro, brace yourself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07…..nted=print
#41.
I am always reminded of my 9th grade history teacher Mrs. Pierce:
“History is full of examples of the oppressed becoming the oppressor.”
-GSD
I’m hoping that Novak will also be named in the civil litigation that will be brought by Wilson against Rove, Cheney, Libbry, and hopefully Shrubya.
When Novak stormed off the CNN set, wasn’t there a great big Who’s Who volume sitting right on the desk?
Barbaro-fans, I shoulda used this link instead (more multimedia):
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07…..r=homepage
ccmask @43… that’s what I think is happening…. Bush pulled one of those 9/11 – Saddam moves this morning… where the sentence starts wtih Lebanon/Hezbollah and ends with Iran’s nukes….
I have a question for Karl Rove: when Novak mentioned that Valerie Plame was rumored to be working for the CIA, why didn’t you, Rover, as a responsible member of the administration say, instead of “Yeah, I heard that, too,” something like, “So maybe you ought to think twice about printing that, Bob, just in case she’s covert” — you know, a friendlier version of what you were screaming to the NY Times about your illegal surveillance program?
GSD at 41 — Mrs Pearce was a wise woman. That, in a nutshell, is the story of much of the world’s leaders. It is certainly the history of the Sunnis in Iraq, and the Serbs in Yugoslavia and the Tutsis and Hutus and and and
Novak, Rove, Scalia, Cheney, etc., could all have worked for the government of Generalissimo Franco without changing their views one iota. Novak is just one more rabid ideologue in a gang that is filled with nothing but ideologues.
Assimilated Press
Read “Bush Orders Execution Of First Dog Barney” at:
http://assimilatedpress.blogspot.com/
That punctuation in the last sentence was Kittaine walking across the keyboard just as I hit post. he says hi.
Just stating the obvious — but when the next Democratic President takes office in January of 2009, there will be never ending demogogic wailing about how the Administration undermines the military and the CIA. The slightest comment will be called treasonous. The smallest intrusion into people’s lives will be called fascism. Any suggestion that people claiming the false mantel of religion are hypocrits will be called blasphemy.
So says Imm.
Not that I believe a word of it, but I think the story Novack is trying to peddle is this:
1)Original source says “Wilson’s wife works at CIA and sent him to Niger”
2)Novack looks up Wilson in Who’s Who, sees that wife is Valerie Elise Plame.
3)Calls CIA to confirm that she works there.
4)Calls Rove to confirm that she had a role in sending Joe Wilson to Africa.
You may need to switch the order of 3 and 4.
However, Why would he call Rove of all people to get that particular confirmation? Why should Rove know the answer to that? wouldn’t you confirm that with CIA?
The fact that Rove was a target of a call to get confirmation of this factoid, means that Novak thought it was a smear, or already knew that there was some kind of hit out on Wilson.
This is particularly interesting since it it is the Cheney faction that was soooo upset about the article, not the Bush/Rove faction.
Hmmm………..
Without clicking the link, I’m going to assume Barney was caught collaborating with Sox,Clinton’s cat?
I say we torture the m*th8rf888e8 [Novak] and get the name of the White House offical what give him the name. Why waste time on more smoke when we could be proving that the 2004 election was stolen by traitors and most journalists were too afraid to expose it?
Hello to Kittaine. My fumblefoots have been known to reallocate my portfolio in visits to me while I’m on my brokerage’s site, Mommybrain. Their picks beat mine, is the real hell of it.
Brief OT news:
Per the AP:
Will believe it when I see it.
Back on-topic: Why does Novak even bother? It can’t make a hill of beans worth of difference to Fox, or the people who watch it, since truth isn’t even in the room in that organization, much less on a list anywhere.
Novak’s comments about not respecting being asked not to run stories pretty much kills the administration’s fake hissy fit over the NYT, wouldn’t you say?
(Playing “Taps” for Novak’s career)
Imm,
Yep. That is one history class and lesson I’ll never forget.
OT.
Hypothetical.
If Bush, Cheney and Rove were given creative license to produce a halftime show at a sporting event what would it look like? With their rumored greatness in theory and on paper, but with their seeming ability to screw up a tray of ice-cubes when their skills are applied in the real world. This is what those brilliant minds and powers that be, at the top of the world, with all of the resources, money and creativity would produce:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIKkUTn1Wuc
-GSD
Isn’t Novak in his mid-70s or so? Shouldn’t he just retire before he digs his hole any deeper with the Wilsons?
OMG! – GSD! that is just painful to watch!
I’ve probably missed something here, but what is it that’s keeping Novak from naming his “primary source”? If there’s no more danger of anyone getting prosecuted, how will Mr. X be harmed by being named? I think we can be pretty sure at this point that Bush will renege on his promise to fire the people responsible for leaking Plame’s identity.
Oh, and lotus – the Barbaro news is about as bad as it gets, sad to say. I’ve seen it happen and it’s always heart-wrenching. The bond that develops between horse and rider is one I’ve only experienced through my daughter and the thousands of hours I’ve spent in the barn, but it’s pretty special. My daughter’s friend has a horse who is going to have to be put down fairly soon – he has a hoof problem that has resulted in his coffin bone beginning to try to protrude through his foot. He’s got a special shoe to help with the pressure, and so far, he’a managing okay, but it isn’t going to get better. I think as soon as they can accept that it has to happen, they will put him down.
Novak, Date of Birth: 26 February 1931.
Sheesh, my Mom looks a lot better than he does at 75. Must be the hate-filled lifestyle….
GSD
Well done. Depressing as hell, but well done.
lhp
However, Why would he call Rove of all people to get that particular confirmation? Why should Rove know the answer to that? wouldn’t you confirm that with CIA?
The fact that Rove was a target of a call to get confirmation of this factoid, means that Novak thought it was a smear, or already knew that there was some kind of hit out on Wilson.
Well, that’s a damn good question.
Speechless.
GQ: Reed, Abramoff Discussed “Mortgaging Old Black People”
lhp — slightly OT, but did you sleep last night, or too much puppy birthing? Any conclusions about auto fe Deo?
OT and catching up on threads:
egregious — that’s great news about your sister.
lhp @ 56
Why would Novak call Rove? It sounds to me like he was going over Harlow’s head, but going from the CIA to the White House.
Don’t get the answer you like? Kick the question upstairs and get it overturned. SOP for this White House, and the NeoCon/TheoCon/PaleoCon horses they rode in on . . .
So Rove says “Oh, don’t worry about the CIA – they work for us. You go right ahead and publish it . . .”
Grrrrr . . .
egregious, yes, truly good news — have any phone calls from the daughter about the move?
OT – I apologize if someone has posted on this already.
HERO
MANSFIELD, Ohio (AP) – A woman drowned after jumping into fast-moving floodwaters to try to rescue her 9-year-old daughter, who slipped on a stone walkway into the water and was swept through 460 feet of drainage pipe into another creek.
The girl emerged from the pipe without serious injuries and was able to get out of the water and seek help, police Lt. Dave Nirode said. Firefighters found the body of her mother, Dianna Snyder, 40, about 100 feet downstream from where the girl came out of the pipe.
http://apnews.myway.com/articl…..7BS89.html
Peterr at 71 — yes that’s what it has always sounded like to me. “CIA says I can’t run with this story, can I Karl?”
AND great post last thread — please keep them coming!
I don’t know if anyone’s pointed this out on this site before. Novak went to Bill Harlow knowing Joseph Wilson’s wife, named Valerie Plame, worked at the CIA. He asked Bill Harlow at the CIA for confirmation. Harlow eventually finds out she’s undercover, and strongly advises Novak not to publish her name. Call me stupid, but shouldn’t Harlow have been smart enough to recognize that, whether or not Novak published her given name, “Joseph Wilson’s wife” is equally damaging to her position. Harlow’s either an idiot, or he thinks we are. And, if the latter, he’s full of shit, ’cause by confirming Novak’s information, he was, by definition, knowingly divulging the IDENTITY of an undercover agent. The ‘name’ is irrelevant–he divulged her identity. The story he tells about only being able to go as far as telling Novak not to publish the name because of the sensitive nature of the information is, flat out, bullshit.
The Douche caught in a rovian web of lies;
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001124.php
OT– CNN reporting that evacuation of US citizens may be imminent in Lebanon. How they gonna do that with the airport bombed?
Reporter Starr says they may use ships…
Anne says, Per the AP:
“Will believe it when I see it.”
But of course he’ll sign it, Anne…with the usual discretionary signing statement totally neutering everything [including Specter] signed under the table.
emptywheel says: “Well, that’s a damn good question.”
July 13th, 2006 at 11:00 am
Add what op99 stated upthread (post 31 at 10:28), and we plainly see that Who’s Who in America said nothing about where Valerie Plame Wilson worked, as we look at Christy’s comments:
The Bob Novak CYA Reputation Renewal Tour continues.
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Well, sort of. He’s limited himself to Fox News, a la Cheney. And look how far it got Cheney. I think he’s just trying to get back in with the right-wingers, and frankly, he’s not even doing a good job of that.
Look the pact that Judy ‘ little tubes of terror’ Miller also wrote down Plame as ‘ Flame’ is frobably just a co-incidence…there is nothing to see here! Move on!
Justin Rood won’t be on Novak’s Christmas list either:
Oh, come on…Novak is told (1) that what he was trying to confirm was not true and (2) not to use her name if he wrote about it. I think it was pretty obvious that “Wilson’s wife” would be just as much a use of her name as if “Valerie Plame” or “Valerie Wilson” were used. And he got a follow-up call to further stress not using her name. The thing is, Novak didn’t go with the more obscure “Wilson’s wife,” he used both “Valerie Plame” and “Wilson’s wife.”
Now, the simple truth is that Novak could have written about Wilson’s trip without ever bringing Plame into it at all, if the real purpose of the column was to dispute the information Wilson brought back from Niger.
I just do not understand what it is about this that people don’t get.
Emptywheel
Got a question for you. I noticed in the Article Woodward wrote that the tone/mood of his language when discussing his source (who is supposed to be the same as Novak’s source) is strikingly similar to the tone/mood he used when describing shrub in the woodward book about the run up to the war. All soft focus and souring violins.
Also, Novak has many times (in unrealted context) said that Bush is not a partisan guy (uniter not divider, blah blah blah)
Plus, there was that one outburst where Novak said somehing like “You want to know who woodward’s source is , ask bush”
Why can’t it have been Bush?
If it was Bush, and he has ultimate declassifiaction authority, it would explain a whole lot about why the wurlitzer started so early with the no underlying crime idea, and why Fitz went back so early to clarify that he was not limited to the “outing” crimes.
great emptywheel, you with the mind like an steel trap, who never forgets a factoid, tell me why I should wipe shrub off my list of suspects?
Unbelievable. I wouldn’t be surprised if Novakc or someone else looked up Joe Wilson in Who’s Who *after* all this went down, and like an idiot decided that that tiny little entry that mentions his marital status provided them with some vindication.
GSD pointed this out a little earlier.
Nymex Crude Future $76.25, up $1.30
Dated Brent Spot $74.92, up $1.44
WTI Cushing Spot $76.30, up $1.35
Israel’s efforts to restore calm to the Middle East are having their expected effects on the oil market. With allies like these, . . .
dalloway 51 and lhp 56: Those are the right questions.
dalloway reminds us that Rove had an affirmative obligation to warn Novak against revealing an agent; he didn’t, but instead confirmed it.
lhp reminds us of the sequence of disclosures/confirmation and how Novak would have perceived it. He knew the “smear” was on, but instead of reporting the truth — the WH is trying to smear the Wilsons — he imnplemented the smear after being warned it could hurt national security. One might add, once Novak is told by CIA “do not publish this woman’s name/status” he apparently doesn’t ask Rove, “did you hear that too.”
In addition, once the CIA knows that Novak is about to print something wrt to Plame, there should/would have been further warnings to the WH to say, “we have a problem re the possible disclosure of an agent,” and the WH should have been tipped off to warn Novak to back off. But that didn’t happen. Why not?
Finally, let’s not forget the two people most responsible for our National Security at the time, our current Sec of State, Ms Rice, and our current NS Advisor, Mr. Hadley. Both knew about the Wilson’s wife link by the time Bush took the Africa trip during “leak week” back in July 2003, yet Ms. Rice went out of her way to urge reporters to go looking in the CIA for whoever sent Wilson to Niger. That alone should have been grounds for firing.
A cabal in the WH wanted reporters to find Plame at the CIA and link her to the Wilson trip, and they did. At the very least, Rove moved this plan [conspiracy] along by even the most innocent version of “oh, I heard that too.”
And in Baghdad, the (London)Timesman reports:
Baghdad starts to collapse as its people flee a life of death
Israeli gunboats now attacking Beirut Airport again, targetting gas tanks this time — CNN
OT–oh sh*t– an Israeli gunboat just fired on the airport and gas tanks have been targeted.
Sorry– this is creeping me out, Dana just took my question at wapo
>>>>>>>>>>>
New Hampshire: Hi Dana.
CNN is reporting that the evacuation of U.S. citizens from Lebanon may be imminent. Seems kind of dicey to me with both civilian and military airports bombed and the harbors not at all secure. How do you think this may be accomplished and do you think the U.S. could get “drawn in” militarily?
Dana Priest: I was just discussing this with my colleagues. My opinion is yes. If Hezbollah, which is so controlled/supported/supplied by Iran, keeps it up and Israel cannot effectively repel this and protect its population, I could see the US conducting air strikes against Iran or Syria. I think the US will avoid this for as long as possible because the cost of actually joining in will be enormous. It would open up yet another anti-American element in Iraq (the Iranians who now play all sides of the fence). So I think there will be huge caution at the Pentagon to do this, huge. I would like you would first see logistics support and lots of firm words from the White House.
Would it be possible to get Fitz to confirm that he has requested Doucebag to remain silent all this time? It just seems strange he was the first to spill his guts and the last to speak about it. He truly is a piss poor excuse for a human being.
angie … I can’t smile about it, but … you know.
I wish someone would do some in depth research on the public material availble on brewster jennings and associates
yes, what happened to valery was a travesty, but I think we can make an incredible case what was lost if we do some research into this brass plate company and had that material to use in conversations
O/T, but ugly:
“Rep. Steve King (R-IA) went on the House floor on Tuesday to discuss a fence that he “designed” for the southern boarder. (King constructed a model of the fence as he was speaking.) King’s design features a wire electrified “with the kind of current that would not kill somebody.” King noted that “we do this with livestock all the time.””
This may not matter but, now that Novak is out there once again spinning his story calling other reporters such as Waas a liars… etc I have a question? If Novak publically contradicting his story now as opposed to what he told Fitzgerald, could Fitzgerald hall him back in for further investigation? Or is the matter closed as Novak states?
OT but interesting. I was sent and participated in a Zogby poll this morning. The usual questions about biggest problems, favorability of Shrub, congress, state politicians. Toward the end a new topic. Do you have plans to move out of the country within the next two years? How odd.
Sorry kids…The Cap’n Bobby Waterhead Seaweed Party park and Kelp Kandy Karnival is shut down until further notice for the summer…Too many leaks in the ol’ seabag
;>)
This Novak issue is just one of the reasons I am screaming for bottom-up pressure on Fitz’s moral and ethical duty to talk about the facts of this case before the end of the summer. If the nation goes into another election with only the BushCo regime capable of swaying voter opinion with Terrorist-Fear-Poll-Raising stories, then the left/Democrats/non-robotic entities in this country will be faced with the probability of HillbillyAmerika pushing the right-wing buttons on the touch screens in November.
Get the word out to the sources who may be able to get the Special Counsel’s crew to sit down for 10mins and discuss the implications to the voters of NOT knowing the facts before they vote!
Dan
I’m going to give you the first paragraphs of that London Times story I linked 10 minutes ago:
I hung up the phone, I wondered if I would ever see my friend Ali alive again. Ali, The Times translator for the past three years, lives in west Baghdad, an area that is now in meltdown as a bitter civil war rages between Sunni insurgents and Shia militias. It is, quite simply, out of control.
I returned to Baghdad on Monday after a break of several months, during which I too was guilty of glazing over every time I read another story of Iraqi violence. But two nights on the telephone, listening to my lost and frightened Iraqi staff facing death at any moment, persuaded me that Baghdad is now verging on total collapse.
Ali phoned me on Tuesday night, about 10.30pm. There were cars full of gunmen prowling his mixed neighbourhood, he said. He and his neighbours were frantically exchanging information, trying to identify the gunmen.
Were they the Mahdi Army, the Shia militia blamed for drilling holes in their victims’ eyes and limbs before executing them by the dozen? Or were they Sunni insurgents hunting down Shias to avenge last Sunday’s massacre, when Shia gunmen rampaged through an area called Jihad, pulling people from their cars and homes and shooting them in the streets?
Ali has a surname that could easily pass for Shia. His brother-in-law has an unmistakably Sunni name. They agreed that if they could determine that the gunmen were Shia, Ali would answer the door. If they were Sunnis, his brother-in-law would go.
Whoever didn’t answer the door would hide in the dog kennel on the roof.
Their Plan B was simpler: to dash 50 yards to their neighbours’ house – home to a dozen brothers. All Iraqi homes are awash with guns for self-defence in these merciless times. Together they would shoot it out with the gunmen – one of a dozen unsung Alamos now being fought nightly on Iraq’s blacked-out streets.
. . .
curve666 at 99 — it is not Fitzgerald or his team’s mandate to work on a political timetable. To ask them to do otherwise is to politicize the investigation, which will not be something any of them will do. The investigation will finish out when it does — although, I would note, that the current seated grand jury ends its term in October, barring an extension. Just FYI.
Just read this dkos diary saying Wilsons to sue Cheney, Libby, and Rove in civil suit.
Wait for it, waiiiiit. Price of crude goes up as Israel fires on gas tank At airport. OPEC last seen clapping hands in glee.
Followup to 102:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060713……html?.v=1
Press Release Source: Proskauer Rose LLP
Valerie Plame Wilson, Ambassador Joseph Wilson and Their Counsel to Hold News Conference Announcing Lawsuit against I. Lewis ”Scooter” Libby, Vice-President Cheney and Karl Rove
Via Kos- Wilson to file lawsuit
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/13/142451/332
Colmes really does ask good questions on a consistent basis.
The problem is he gets steamrolled by Hannity and guests. Its hard to get your point across when you’re sitting next to Mr Obnoxious.
ADDITIONAL CONTACT FOR INTERVIEW FOLLOWING PRESS CONFERENCE:
Constitutional law scholar Erwin Chemerinsky, who is Of Counsel in the Wilson lawsuit, will be available for interviews following the news conference at (323) 931-8612 or by leaving a message at (919) 613-7173.
For any technical or logistical questions about the news conference, contact George Arfken at the National Press Club, (202) 662-7597.
my too sense – That’s the best damn news I’ve heard all day.
Well except for maybe egregious’s.
Can we set up a legal OFFENSE fund?
My Too Sense #102,
THanks for the heads-up on the presser and the potential lawsuit. This just ramps up the whole story another notch.
Good on the Wilson family. They continue to be slimed by Novak,Cheney, and all the other wingnuts.
Bush the Bystander
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Thursday, July 13, 2006; 1:32 PM
The Middle East is exploding and what is President Bush doing about it? Not much.
Here’s the transcript of this morning’s joint press conference with German Chancellor Andrea Merkel, in which Bush sounded more like a bystander on the world stage than the leader of its only superpower.
[. . .]
mui 84
Even if Novak knew all of Valerie Plames names, any reporter would go look up what else he could find about her.
One of those places could/would have been Who’s Who.
There. That’s the first and last time I’ll ever back up anything TDoL says.
OT don’t know if anyone else noted this yesterday. Riverbend’s back up, following a month-long silence (thank God/Allah/Whomever she’s OK). Judging from her comments regarding the latest in Baghdad, it doesn’t appear that we’re winning the “hearts and minds” there quite yet….
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It fills me with rage to hear about it and read about it. The pity I once had for foreign troops in Iraq is gone. It’s been eradicated by the atrocities in Abu Ghraib, the deaths in Haditha and the latest news of rapes and killings. I look at them in their armored vehicles and to be honest- I can’t bring myself to care whether they are 19 or 39. I can’t bring myself to care if they make it back home alive. I can’t bring myself to care anymore about the wife or parents or children they left behind. I can’t bring myself to care because it’s difficult to see beyond the horrors. I look at them and wonder just how many innocents they killed and how many more they’ll kill before they go home. How many more young Iraqi girls will they rape?
Why don’t the Americans just go home? They’ve done enough damage and we hear talk of how things will fall apart in Iraq if they ‘cut and run’, but the fact is that they aren’t doing anything right now. How much worse can it get? People are being killed in the streets and in their own homes- what’s being done about it? Nothing. It’s convenient for them- Iraqis can kill each other and they can sit by and watch the bloodshed- unless they want to join in with murder and rape.
Buses, planes and taxis leaving the country for Syria and Jordan are booked solid until the end of the summer. People are picking up and leaving en masse and most of them are planning to remain outside of the country. Life here has become unbearable because it’s no longer a ‘life’ like people live abroad. It’s simply a matter of survival, making it from one day to the next in one piece and coping with the loss of loved ones and friends.
You can read the whole article here:
http://riverbendblog.blogspot……2348608248
hufNpuf @ 92
I’m not trying to pick on you or anything but your name reminds me of Saturday mornings a long, long time ago
And Sasha @ 104
Do you mean your entire post got deleted? Because I’m not seeing what you mean.
llp 84 -
I’ve always thought the outing had Bush’s fingerprints all over it. I mentioned my feelings here about a week ago. The outing of Plame has an immature, frat-boy, vindictive quality — right up Bush’s alley – It just smells like him.
Imm –
Well, what you said.
McGee, check out my comments at 11:25 and :40 to see why I’m freakin’ like crazy that Riverbend, Salam Pax, Raed, and a whole lot more of our friends are apparently STILL THERE.
CNN finally got the memo: it’s OK to cover the Israeli attacks … damn few blond women in that neck of the woods though …
Whoa, sasha — the server has been funky all morning. I’ve “lost” a couple myself today. If that happened to you, I’m sure it wasn’t anyone’s intent.
Sasha,
I do not believe your comment has been deleted on purpose. it is probably tied up in the spam filter or in moderation. The host’s here are gracious enough that if they find something offensive or rude, they will let you know by posting a moderates comment. I would wait and see,or try to repost it.
moderated.
If there are “unwritten rules around here,” no one’s ever heard of them.
yup, your post was there and now gone, sasha.
sasha –
the comment #’s change, the time stamps don’t — your 11:50 am post is still there, now # 103.
Dow down 175.
Lotus @115,
Yes, I read your posts just after I’d already sent mine – otherwise I would’ve referred to them. We have created a hell on earth there and will pay for it one way or another. Despite the sadness and despair I felt while reading Riverbend’s latest, I was so relieved to learn that she was still with us.
Worked that time Sasha.
I know, McGee — this is breaking my heart and my mind both.
Dow down 175. The big word on CNBC is “hysteria” . . .
And also if you have more than two(?) links your comment will go into moderation
Maybe that’s it??
sasha –
Interesting link — conspiracy theories (aka tinfoil) often have basis in fact, but the underlying truth is usually difficult to sort out from the speculation and disinformation.
Which makes them problematic — until it can be taken from conspiracy theory to provable fact, it’s hard to have a substantive conversation on the subject.
We’ve had a couple of hiccups, gang — it ate half my post above as well and I had to re-post. Sorry for any inconvenience…
Lotus 110
I glanced up at the muted teevee during that presser in Germany and saw Dumya grinnin’ and ducking his head all cute and everything, and just thought for the thousandth time, “What is that guy grinning about?”
It’s like he’s not aware of people dying in a new Israeli-Lebanon war, or the mahem we’ve wrought in Baghdad.
Couldn’t be because he doesn’t care, could it?
Christ, I loathe that man.
“Couldn’t be because he doesn’t care, could it?”
Bingo, little dog.
God help us all.
lotus – thanks for the Barbaro update. I heard a blip this morning, but your links had more info. Bramlage is probably the best “leg man” in the country and while Barbaro isn’t in KY, founder (laminitis) is what has always been one of the biggest dangers – or a related or independent colic bout. The really severe form is something called sinking founder, where the coffin bone starts to come out of the bottom of the hoof if not arrested – poor baby. Michael Matz, his trainer, is one of the truly good guys. Sad stuff :(
lhp – hope you have puppies.
Re: Bush – I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s doing nothing. The DVD doesn’t have a soundtrack yet. The ME is scarey right now. Dana’s answer to your question wasn’t reassuring angie – but I’m glad you asked it.
And even if he DID care, by now it’s too late, little dog.
When Jerusalem exploded in violence in 1996 after the opening of the archaeological tunnel, Bill Clinton did everything in his power to stop the killing.
Bush, on the other hand, sees this multi-front warfare and an opportunity to launch an attack against Iran.
In my mind, there is no question — Bush is the Anti-Christ, and he is determined to destroy the world for his own personal amusement.
Lotus 133
I swear, I don’t know why somebody hasn’t knocked his block off.
Especially someone close to him. They know better than anybody what an a**hole he is and eventually, you’d think someone would snap.
And then we’d have Cheney?
Best life insurance policy I can think of, little dog.
lotus 135 -
So true. He’s set the wheels in motion for a hailstorm of horror, and whether it’s his lack of concern, his short-sightedness, his stupidity, his greed, his complete and total loathsome emotional makeup (well, frankly I think it’s all of the above) – he and his cabal are responsible for this. sigh.
-ck- I’d like to think something else, but you have the weight of the evidence with you.
In what will probably be a lame effort to lighten this – Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me had a “best of” last weekend. The revisited a series of 3 episodes. The first, they mentioned that there was new support for 616 being the mark of the beast instead of 666. And they mentioned, so you can call Satan in ______ and named a city that they thought was in that area code.
Second Episode, they were correcting themselves and saying, actually city X isn’t in that city, so to call Satan, you’ll have to catch him in city y.
Third episode, they were responding to listener mail, furious over their reference to call Satan in city y. Bc it just so happened on the day they made the announcement, Bush was in city y stumping.
I call that Appendix A to the Book of Revelations.
and your little dog too, #132
It is a good thing your tv was muted, I listened as they were announcing that Bush was about to speak about the crisis.
I fully expected a somber face in light of what was happening, but no, it was the frat boy, party time, make nice with the reporters in the front row smile that says “I don’t really give a shit, but I am expected to be up here commenting, so I will make the best of it and play to the crowd.” Never mind that people are dying, another crisis is getting out of hand and all we get from this embarrassment of a President is a total disconnect from reality. I totally agree with your assessment.
new thread!
Was Bob already fishing with a fully loaded line? If so, who handed him the bait?
shorter Novak: crook, lyin’ and sink her
sasha -
I don’t care if comments are deleted. I haven’t been here very long but it didn’t take me more than 5 minutes to trust Jane (and everyone else’s) judgment.
sasha 142 – the only coments that get deleted, as far as I know, are those of deliberately malicious trolls. the posting of some some comments get delayed in “moderation”; this can be triggered by the filters that won’t let more than three links go through for instance. If you think your comments have not been posted – try refreshing your browser (not the “refresh comments”) – said comment may appear, with a notation that it is awaiting moderation. Once a real live human being has looked into it, the comment will appear for all to see….assuming it’s reasonably civil, not spam, etc. The moderators work very hard and put up with a lot of crap.
and your little dog, too . . . (111) Who’s Who wouldn’t be a place for Novack to dig for information. Maybe fact check. But Joe Wilson would have written his own entry, and if Valerie Plame had her own she would have written hers too. I am pretty sure that’s how the Who’s Who entries are compiled.
Sasha, dear, you seem to be obsessing about this, so I peeked behind the curtain and saw no deleted or even moderated comments from you. Perhaps you got caught in the hiccup that ate Christy’s post a while ago.
I have been deleting Sasha’s repeated posts. It first arrives and tells us it doesnt know how we feel about conspiracy theories and then drops in a link. It was totally off-topic. I delete it. It then gets huffy and starts hollering censoringship. Not friendly-like.
And it keeps it up … there is no guaranteed right to pop in from nowhere, post whatever and demand it be seen. Sasha can get a refund at the front desk for what it paid to post here …
Blame me …
sasha –
sometimes comments just disappear — no explanation, no deletion, just *poof!* they are gone.
*ilson – the hand of dog.
sasha / sashland …. hmmmmm
It?
I am a person. A hardworking, tax-paying, law-abiding single mom, who, when I posted the link, admitted it was off topic, as I have seen countless others here do the same.
I was a little huffy because I have read Ms. Hamsher deny that this is done. So sue me for the amount of money it would have cost you to include my comments.
[ Could somebody here please recommend a good lawyer? Somebody not tied up suing Cheney et al?
Sasha: as I say around my house — let sleeping dogs lie ]
A misstatement, eh? He sure seems to make lots of those. First the “operative” is a misstatement. Then “They gave me the name” is a misstatement.
It’s interesting how nearly every journalist in the Plame nexis conveniently becomes an idiot whenever pressed for details.
Joe in Sacramento @113.
Glad it brought back fond memories. My fond memories of Saturday mornings were spent LISTENING to Buster Brown, The Green Hornet, The Shadow, etc. in Venice, CA. Now in Santa FE NM
Boy this is a story for me that just has
‘fantastic legs’. I never get tired of it and I’m always re-energized by new mentions of it.
Is there ANY better example of the utter disdain bushco has for not only law but decency? His bullshit “protecting the American people” stance has NO legs at all.
I despise with every fiber in my body chimpy and all the little horses he rode in on.
fuming away to the next thread…
let’s play 20 questions:
is novack’s source robert g. joseph?
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/47252.htm
C’mon you guys, you’re killin’ me with your lefty bias. I mean, I’m a lefty, but I try to be “fair and balanced” if I may use that discredited term.
Bob Novak’s justification for publishing is not all that different from the one Bill Keller has been using in regard to the SWIFT story and others, i.e., government officials warning you off publishing classified information but whose arguments you don’t find convincing.
You don’t have to agree or approve of Novak’s politics, integrity or judgment, but if you defend the principle, then you should defend it in all cases.
I think Harlow’s side of it is pretty lame-ass. If it was so important not to blow Plame’s cover — and it was important — then Harlow should have sought permission to inform Novak of her covert status and the seriousness of publishing her identity, i.e., a possible violation of the Espionage Act as well as endangering the operation, her life and the lives of many others. In other words, you blow her cover to save her cover. If that had been the case, perhaps Novak would not have gone with the story. And if he had, it would be very difficult to defend his decision (except under the right of a free press).
Richard Schmitt of the LATimes wrote today that: “Fitzgerald has concluded that the disclosure did not violate a federal law protecting the identity of covert operatives.”
( http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..?track=rss )
I’ve been out of it for a while, but isn’t this wrong? Fitz didn’t say anything like this, did he? AFAIK, Fitz has only said that the lying made it impossible to gather enough evidence to *prove* a violation. Can we hold the LATimes t?o some accountability
roberto — jeepers, you need to rethink your position. Really.
There was NOTHING secret about SWIFT. EVER.
I knew about SWIFT when I worked in export-import sales throughout the 80’s/early 90’s; every financial transaction between international banks went through SWIFT because it was part of the banking system. Keller did NOT release anything that wasn’t widely known in financial industry related to international banking for decades, that transactions could be traced and documented (jeepers, that’s been standard accounting practice and more so after Sarbanes-Oxley!). Keller only voiced what nearly every American who worked in international business and finance would have expected, that the feds were monitoring and auditing financial movements, although now they were doing it between domestic entities and not only foreign entities. Cripes, even the Mafia wouldn’t ever move dirty money exposed to SWIFT. Hardly secret.
Novak, on the other hand, was an actual accessory to a crime and he had been warned TWICE in terms that anyone with his background should have understood would put him in legal jeopardy. He had NO privileges here since precedent clearly says journalists are obligated to report crime they witness to authorities and not merely report the story as normal work product; Novak was not communicating publicly known information, either, as Harlow has indicated.
One other thing I thought interesting about Novak’s comments on Waas’ article: Waas was reporting what Rove said to the grand jury, not what Novak actually said to Rove. Did Novak have access to Rove’s secret grand jury testimony? Did Rove discuss it with him? If so, that looks a lot like collusion, too. Or was Novak really saying Rove lied and attacking Waas as a feint?
http://www.newshounds.us/2006/….._plame.php
Novak, on the other hand, was an actual accessory to a crime and he had been warned TWICE in terms that anyone with his background should have understood would put him in legal jeopardy.
Really? Novak made much (both in 2003 and yesterday) of the fact that Harlow did *not* arrange for a high level intervention (e.g., Tenet) with either Novak himself or Novak’s editor.
So let’s frame it as questions:
(1) Is there any evidence at all that Harlow had Tenet or some other high-level CIA official intervene with Novak or his editor to attempt to halt publication? (Hint – No).
(2) Moght Novak, with his vast years in the business, have some past experience where exactly that sort of intervention occurs?
(3) Is such an expectation by Novak (that a high level intervention can be arranged if the CIA is serious) so unreasonable that it should be dismissed out of hand?
Novak said this last night:
NOVAK: At that time I had no idea that she was in any way a covered employee. He’d never said — if he had ever said to me somebody’s life was in danger if you do this, if you got George Tenet come on the phone with me, I would not have written that.
SIDEBAR: Re the idea that Novak is accusing the Newsday guys of shoddy journalism by misquoting him – he made that accusation roughly three years ago (fall 2003, IIRC). *MAYBE* the prosecutor has freed them to speak, but if they have a tape recording, I wouldn’t be holding my breath at this point waiting for it. ((IIRC, they did stand by their story, FWIW).
CHS #101
Yes, and I’m SURE that neither you or any of your readers would want the investigation politicized!
tee hee hee
Tom Maquire
Let’s turn this around. Prior to the NYTimes exposing the classified NSA eavesdropping program and the classified SWIFT bank examinations program, is there ANY evidence at all that Bush or Cheney or other high-level government officials intervened with Keller and the NYTimes in an attempt to halt publication?
Which is why Firedoglake was so vocal in its condemnation of the NYTimes for publishing classfied, highly secret information that damaged national security.
Ahhhh, they did condemn the NYTimes didn’t they? I mean no hypocrites here, right?
oppppps, NEVER MIND.
tee heee heee
Tom MaGuire (Just One Minute) apparently believes all the spin from Robert Novak as to Novak’s claim that Harlow did not discourage Novak for outing the ID of Ms. Plame. Tom goes after you and this very post as inadequate on this score. Something tells me that Tom is being his usual half-truth self – but maybe you should fire off a rebuttal to his little attack here.
Hmm – I was just referring to Tom’s blog. Now I see he makes the same claim at #158. Wow – Christy isn’t blocking Tom’s comments here no more than Angrybear is blocking Tom’s comment over at our blog. I like the snark of #160 but I’m hoping Christy can take down Tom’s attempt at rebuttal more directly (like going over the facts which Tom seems to conveniently forget). BTW – if Novak makes a claim sitting in the studios of Fox News, that does not constitute a fact given that: (a) Novak is a serial liar; and (b) Fox News is the place to go for rightwing liars who don’t want to be challenged.
Let me get Tom’s question straight with an analogy. Suppose someone from the FDA called Pfizer to tell them that one of their drugs was a serious health risk to anyone taking that drug. Shouldn’t Pfizer decide to either pull the drug ASAP or at least check with their own scientists as to the FDA concern? I guess if the FDA commisssioner did not personally meet with the CEO of Pfizer, continuing to market and sell this drug would be AOK with Tom. Lord – the more I think about Tom’s argument, I can see why the doofus’s at the National Review have not even run such a pathetic canard.
BREAKING: DNC’S VOTING RIGHTS INSTITUTE ISSUES STATEMENT CALLING FOR ‘MANUAL COUNT’ OF ALL BALLOTS IN BUSBY/BILBRAY ELECTION!
http://www.bradblog.com
We’ve dropped off the main board so I expect this comment section will die, but let me just ask anyone stopping by to chime in on whether pgl’s analogy has any applicability at all.
Just to start – “Suppose someone from the FDA called Pfizer to tell them that one of their drugs was a serious health risk to anyone taking that drug. Shouldn’t Pfizer decide to either pull the drug ASAP or at least check with their own scientists as to the FDA concern?”
Well, you tell me – does anyone really think that Pfizer will pull a drug on the basis of one phone call? Won’t they expect a follow-up report, meetings, and the like? Boy, tough call.
pgl did offer a second choice – shouldn’t Pfizer check with its own people? Well, Novak had already heard (presumably from Armitage) that Ms. Plame was chairing meetings and the like, and Harlow did not say she was classified. So what’s to check?
And from Harlow’s own account, he argued with Novak about the accuracy of Novak’s stroy, rather than simply saying “No comment, don’t publish that”. Then, Harlow claims he checked Plame’s status and called Novak back, which strongly suggests he was flapping his gums about Plame before he even knew she was classified.
So, HArlow’s job was to be crystal clear that Novak did not publish. Was it his job to hope that Novak would not publish, or guess he wouldn’t, or keep his fingers crossed? No – if Harlow had any doubt about Novak’s intentions, he should have called back.
To partly revive pgl’s useless analogy, if an FDA scientist alerted Pfizer to a safety problem and the Pfizer guy was not responsive, should the FDA guy (a) hang up and await developments, or (b) get his boss involved?
Oh, re this from pgl:
Something tells me that Tom is being his usual half-truth self – but maybe you should fire off a rebuttal to his little attack here.
Sorry to drag others into pgl’s feud with me, but this is the third time now that pgl has accused me of dishonesty – he was 0 for two coming into this, and this does not represent third time lucky.
More from pgl:
but I’m hoping Christy can take down Tom’s attempt at rebuttal more directly (like going over the facts which Tom seems to conveniently forget)
Hey, you’re here pgl, why wait for Christy – remind us of the facts I forgot, unless you don’t know them (but are sure they are out there!).
Let me help – here is Harlow’s version as reported by Walter Pincus:
Harlow, the former CIA spokesman, said in an interview yesterday that he testified last year before a grand jury about conversations he had with Novak at least three days before the column was published. He said he warned Novak, in the strongest terms he was permitted to use without revealing classified information, that Wilson’s wife had not authorized the mission and that if he did write about it, her name should not be revealed.
Harlow said that after Novak’s call, he checked Plame’s status and confirmed that she was an undercover operative. He said he called Novak back to repeat that the story Novak had related to him was wrong and that Plame’s name should not be used. But he did not tell Novak directly that she was undercover because that was classified.
Oh, well, that doesn’t help pgl much, does it. No worries – maybe Harlow was lying too.
SO tell me – did Harlow do what he had to do to halt Novak? His version and Novak’s are probably both CYA and self-serving – as an objective fact, did Harlow have Tenet call Novak, amd might that have helped if he had?