Rovian Politics 101 is all about the telling of big lies over and over again. Bill Scher made a great catch about Joe’s fabricated bumper stickers, Fact Check debunked it, various Connecticut media outlets have covered it, but Holy Joe is still pushing the lie. In a letter to people he considers rubes "supporters":
As you may have seen, I debated Ned Lamont on WVIT NBC 30. I was happy to have the opportunity to defend my record, which Ned has consistently distorted. It was interesting to see Ned once again waffle on his position on Iraq.
The day after the debate, last Friday, our campaign released a new TV ad called “Bumper Sticker.” The ad parodies one of Ned’s attack ads. We released another ad this weekend that clarifies how Ned has distorted my voting record. You can view both ads on the campaign web site www.Joe2006.com. If you haven’t had the opportunity to explore the web site yet, please visit it. We update it regularly. You can view photos, videos and get all the latest news!
I thank you for your support. I look forward to representing you for the next six years and being your Democratic candidate for the November 06’ election.
Rather than admit what everyone else acknowledges at this point — Hoy Joe is rollilng around in Lee Atwater sewer politics with this particular bumper sticker — Joe is constitutionally incapable of admitting he was wrong (fancy that). As diogenes wrote (via email):
And isn’t it interesting that TheManOfFaith resorts, from the jump, to negative campaigning and lying? My wife picked up on that during the debate – NoMoJoe (that one’s a keeper!) going negative in his opening remarks, forchrissake!
Yes it is interesting. Very interesting. And telling.
(thanks to Susan N. for the email)
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FITZ!
aha, Fitz! Nec! Jane!
that was supposed to be NED, of course.
fitz! and ned
angie – it looks like ned if you squint, the ‘c’ and the ‘!’ make a ‘d’
I don’t remember who it was who pointed out that Joe is all gentility when debating Republicans, but goes for the throat against Democrats. It bears repeating, though.
“You can view photos, videos and get all the latest news!”
Now why would anyone in their right mind want to do that?
get all the latest lies is more like it.
twolf1– you’re a very kind and fast fdl’er!
How often do politicians admit they are wrong as opposed to the number that dance and spin and try to make a lie into a truth or at least an excuse
Lamont oughtta thank Joe for the great bumpersticker idea….and then start making them himself hehe.
No More Joe!
is “Ned” short for a longer name like Nedrick or sumtin’ ?
I’m trying to figure out CT campaign law, with regard to Joe having Dems collect signatures for a different party.
When I was a registered Republican, I wasn’t allowed to collect signatures for Democrat Ned Lamont (I’ve since rectified that youthful indescetion), so why should registered Democrats be allowed to collect signatures for the “Connecticut For Lieberman” party?
If Joe was running as an Independent, I can understand. But by starting a third party and campaigning within that party, doesn’t that mean you have to follow the rules related to political parties? Or do the rules ONLY apply to the Democratic and Republican parties?
What ad is Camp Lieb “parodying”?
By the way, what do people think is going to be the big hit in the last week? An attempt to hit Ned as being ___? They’ve been running so much crap that it’s hard to think of what else they’d come up with, but I’m sure there’s something in the bag, and I don’t want us to get caught blindsided. I mean, will it be something about Lamont’s company? A race or labor thing? Maybe they’ll do a morph of Lamont and Osama. Hey, it’d be a “parody” at least, right? (Sorry, don’t mean to give any ideas…)
*ilson46201 – lol, I was actually wondering the same thing the other day.
angie – i’m blushing
Warble Collins on the floor on cspan2 lauding Lieberman and Coleman.
HoJo up now– it’s a warble fest.
http://www.politicstv.com/blog/?p=350
Ughh Dodd pimping for Joe on Face the Nation.
CTBob at 11-
That is an odd one, if he has a party, do you have to be registered with that party to get him on the ballot? I know there’s a challenge from the Greens on the clean money law and the threshold for access… though maybe federal laws apply across the board for this race?
I also think it’d be rad to run someone else on the “CT for Lieberman” party line… out of the frying pan, into a brand new primary :)
Here’s the bit that really gets me:
“Parodies?” Which Ned ad is it, and how is this one a parody? The recent Lamont ad, now that’s a parody of an attack ad. It makes fun of the idea of attack ads, and calls for something different. Lieberman’s ad, even without considering the false bumper sticker, doesn’t make fun of anything, it just attacks.
As best I can tell, Lieberman and people who speak for him are just congenitally unable to admit what they’re actually doing, which is responding to an attack with a counterattack. If it was a parody it would be funny. This is awfully reminiscent of Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh ducking responsibility for something reprehensible by saying “I was joking!”
Even though no one’s laughing.
he looks pretty good despite Maura’s drubbing of him and his poorly attended pub slither yesterday.
No more lies, joe.
you can run, but you cannot hide.
Lies for Lieberman.
Yellow Dog Democrats are furious at Lieberman for starting up a 3rd Party just to run against them. A whole lot of “Lil Ole Democrat Ladies” who would normally support Holy Joe are aghast. Anybody around Democratic politics knows that the real partisan workhorses are those “lil ole Democrat ladies” … dont piss ‘em off !
“at this point — Hoy Joe is rollilng”
Rhetorical question. Can Ned get an attorney to file against Joe for continuing to publish false information? Filing such a suit gives the TM the traction they need to print the story. It also gives Ned the “pulpit.” HoJo is not coming off this meme. He will drive it down Ned’s throat unless Ned counter punches so hard that HoJo has to stop.
Joe has given Ned a golden opportunity to paint HoJo with Rove and to enunciate Plamegate and the “swifting of Joe and Valerie Wilson.”
If Ned doesn’t “counter-punch,” he’s telegraphing that he’s not “tough enough” to be their Senator.
This is also a perfect opporunity to bring in HoJo’s dissembling of that electricity thing that scarecrow brought to our attention.
Matt at 16: I think you’re on to something. I can’t imagine state law would allow Lieberman to singlehandedly pick his party’s nominee. I mean, if all it takes is signatures, we could do that, right?
I think the bumper sticker is hilarious. I don’t get what Lieberman is hoping to accomplish with it, though, because when I first saw it, I thought “I want one!”—I definitely did not think “Oh, Lamont just hates Joe”…or whatever the Lieberman campaign was trying to spin. But I’ve only lived in CT for four years, so maybe there’s some subtlety there that’s eluding me–the same subtlety that was probably behind the “Bear” commercial that I didn’t get, either.
Hoy Joe is rollilng around in Lee Atwater sewer politics
Excellent choice of words!
Angie, truly swoonworthy.
. . . Collins & I will soon reintroduce legislation to encompass all our buddies.
disaster caused by uncoordinated responses between cronies.
*ilson,
It might be Nedster
New to FDL. Love it. Great coverage of NoMoJO. He definately has to go and WELL I think he might!
Keep up the great blogging work.
Welcome, Jan!
…and for the record, it’s Edward “Ned” Lamont (I think!)
“I’m Joe Lieberman and I approve this message.”
I hope a whole lot of people keep asking Honest Joe why he defends and supports lying to Connecticut voters.
(Seriously, what’s the point of the requirement for candidates to say that if they’re not held accountable?)
Joenertia now on http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs…..;Code=CS2, blathering to an empty Senate to get air time on something or other.
I hate his faux stentorian tone, lecturing us all as he does.
CT Bob – according the CT election law that was posted here a while back, you can’t run as an independent in Connecticut. You have to have a party name, and it can’t be “Independent” or incorporate the name of another party. I suspect the rules relating to who can collect signatures are related to that. I’d guess that for organized parties that have a nominating process and membership (for which there’s probably a required minimum size), the rules prevent the other party from hijacking the nominating process.
For independent, unorganized parties, you can’t compete for the nomination, because only the candidate who filed can solicit signatures under that party name. So interference isn’t an issue, and the restrictions on signature-gatherers aren’t necessary.
(It wouldn’t be too hard to look it up and find out for sure, since the election law is all online — if I wasn’t at work now, I’d do it.)
Prof (29) He’s talking about rebuilding FEMA with his best buddy Collins. I find it a little scary.
I may have missed this – I’m sure I did…
If RGJoe forms his own party, how can he be eligible to win a primary of a party of which he is no longer a member? Does being on the ballot on x date as a Dem entitle him? Once he forms his own party, isn’t he obligated to abdicate his membership as a Dem? Is there a state law that says he can be a member of more than one party?
You know, what’s interesting is that up until now, Lieberman’s been pretty good about wrapping that huge ego in a fairly unprepossessing wrapper, but lately, it’s been leaking out in the form of some very visibly angry moments (and it smells really, really bad). Stormed off after his presser – when you would think he would want to milk the media for all it was worth. Stormed off after the debate, leaving his media guy all alone to deal with, um, one or two reporters. Got a little testy at the Irish pub yesterday – he may think his face was noncommittal, but he was angry – like “who the hell let this bitch in here?” angry.
Lieberman’s getting apoplectic – Ned’s smiling.
Lieberman’s getting caught in one lie after the other – Ned’s smiling and just running a clean, honest campaign.
Lieberman’s losing the endorsements of his fellow Democrats in the worst kind of way (”uhh, Joe, I missed the train – sorry buddy!”) while picking up the unsolicited endorsements of the radical right-wing – Ned’s smiling, and picking up the support of some really good people.
Lieberman’s making people think “No More Joe” – Ned’s smiling and showing Lieberman what “parody” really means.
Lieberman’s got “loser” written all over him (and if you can’t read it, you can sure smell it) – Ned’s smiling and looking like a winner!
GO NED!
fwiw Joe has given Ned a golden opportunity to paint HoJo with Rove and to enunciate Plamegate and the “swifting of Joe and Valerie Wilson.”
That’s just one of about 100 examples of “swifting” as you are well aware, my suggestion was just to paint HoJo with Rove and “compassionate conservatism” in a way that works in CT.
Good afternoon everyone.)
Mary frequently refers to Mora. Who or what is mora por favor?
I read most of todays thread work and saw no news on the appontment of William Haynes, any news?
Can’t wait to see the hearings on c-span this evening. Thanks for all of the comments so far.
It would be funny if Ned announced that if he fails to win the primary, he will run as a Green or, better yet, on the “Connecticut for Lamont” ticket.
Matt at 16, I like that idea – and newtonusr at 32, very good questions.
Welcome Jan!
Mora here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_J._Mora
Caution: Mankini alert!
‘‘Parody?…Parody, you say?…Coming for you, Joe?’
Thanks Angie, Alberto! another one
Leibermans Party:
Hedge Party hehe
Since the July 4 weekend there has been a marked shift in Lieberman strategy. It feels very Rovian, and very deja-vu-all-over again. I suspect that we will find out after the November election that an operative from the Rove school of BS took over the campaign.
Eureka Springs,
“Guantanamo: Stunning Bush reversal”
The Bush administration said Tuesday that all detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and in all other U.S. military custody around the world are entitled to protections under the Geneva Conventions….
Alberto Mora, the former Navy judge-advocate general who was a leader of the charge against the administration’s Guantanamo policies, told the Financial Times today, that the move was a “marvellous development”…..
John Casper at 20: I disagree; this is an attack on Lamont’s campaigning style, not an attack on his views. Lamont has already responded to that with his anti-attack-ads parody.
Ned should be concentrating most of his effort on making a contrast with Lieberman and showcasing his different views, not just focusing on Joe’s positions or ads.
Also, remember that attack ads depress turnout; you just hope they depress your opponent’s more than yours. This is why, in general, the guy who’s behind does attack ads, and the guy who’s ahead puts out press releases about why they’re false, but doesn’t do ads in response or initiate them. (See how Joe’s telegraphing weakness?) I also think this is another serious mistake by the Lieberman camp, or a sign that they’ve given up on the primary — they need turnout to win, but they’re running ads that depress turnout, not encourage it.
Can anyone tell me the difference between a “Hot day in August” and a cold day in November on voting patterns in CT?
Mora, like Murtha, was honored with the 2006 JFK Profile in Courage award.
Does anyone else wonder about how much the consultant was paid by Joenertia who came up with the “No More Joe” slogan?
After bashing Joe for making up the fake bumper sticker (as we did and should have done), might the bumper sticker now stick?
I wonder what other bright ideas that consultant might have to help Joe. “Joe Has Let Down Connecticut”? “Joe Is the Real Issue”? “Vote Against Joe”?
I don’t know whether that consultant can ever top “No More Joe,” though. That’s a classic. I like the sound of it.
Naral Pro-Choice America just endorsed Lieberman. Boo!!!
I have seen a homemade bumpersticker or two with something like: Anyone but Joe. I think Lieberman’s creatures are trying to characterize Ned’s supporters, not Ned per say.
Where is the updated polling?
I can’t believe there hasnt been a poll since the debate.
Weird!
He’s not actually forming a party; you have to have a party name in CT if you get on the ballot through petitions. However, I suspect that requirement may be designed to produce the bad effects the Lieberman camp is seeing now — if you’re just a guy who collects signatures for an independent run, you look fine, if you do it because you’re a sore loser in the primary, you look like a jerk who’s trying to be a member of two parties.
And on the Ned side, could we not have some more appropriate bumper stickers, like:
“No more Alitos”
“Joe Gave Us A Right-Wing Court”
“Support Joe and Rape-Taxis”
“No more debates (signed, “Joe”)
Prof at 47 – I suspect Lieberman really thought people would be scandalized by the No More Joe slogan. His narcissism leads him to believe that he is beloved.
“I Don’t Approve Joe’s Message”
OT -
I got a similar e-contact from Rep Pryce today — except I moved from her district 5 years ago. Re-registered, sent angry e-mails/letters to my Pug reps from this addy; really no clue why I got this at all, let alone now. Curious (I did know her and her local manager better than the average constituent, tho)
It says if I reply to the survey, I’ll be on her e-distribution list. I’ve never subscribed to one just to scout the opposition, but I’m contemplating that on this one. Suggestions?
I just finished watching a video in which Bush completely fell apart in the face of a serious question by a CNN reporter (Crooks and Liars). Then I come over here and read this.
It strikes me that we are witnessing a very public meltdown of some very fragile and brittle egos here. The context is the same. Such “cheerful and all around nice guys” just loose it the minute someone/anyone holds them them accountable for statements and actions — in a public setting. Ask for “real answers” and they just. Can’t. Cope. They resort to insane streams of concienceness that come out sounding completely assinine so they try to cover their tracks with bully boy tactics and when that fails to intimidate, they pout.
Then I go and watch John Dean being interviewed by Olberman — and its like finally,a “real adult.” Who can actually string not only a comprehensible sentance together but can actually construct a completely logical paragraph.
I submit that both Bush and Lieberman are in the process of a very public Katherine Harris kind of pyschological break down. I am serious — if people keep the heat on (by which I mean real facts) they will make less and less sense.
Its actually really embarressing — kind of like hearing your neighbors have one of those “open window” nasty knock down drag out fights.
A little bird tells me that talking to a NARAL supporter may be like talking to a brick wall. Does anybody have any insights as to *what* is going on? Lieberman is very shaky in the Pro-choice dept.
Sam says
July 11th, 2006 at 1:09 pm
Naral Pro-Choice America just endorsed Lieberman. Boo!!!
Why?!?! I just don’t get them. They keep making this bad decision. No accountability w/ these people. I guess they need him more than vice-versa.
While I’m on this topic, I got caught up with the weekend threads, including Mary’s.
Can someone (Mary) confirm the pro-choice polling numbers? It said unmarried women 55% pro/married 51%. I’d love a link to that, I didnt see one.
Prof @ 1:07 pm (#47) – Was he paid as much as the consultant who came up with the idea of recycling the bears ad? I don’t know what that bumper sticker ad was, whether it was an attack or just a parody of what Joe’s folks want people to think the Lamont campaign is about, which is in itself a parody (or, perhaps, a farce), but it’s working as badly as the bears ad.
IOW, if those consultants are being paid at all, it’s too much.
Leslie at 53
Yeah, I agree. My post was snark.
CNN debunking chimpy’s rose colored glasses economy speech
Cujo359 at 59
IOW, if those consultants are being paid at all, it’s too much.
No, no. It’s not enough. Pay them more. Encourage them.
Organic George – primary voting, even in a primary that attracts lots of attention, is much lower turnout than a general election. Lieberman knows that, and will use it to dishonestly justify his indie run.
I’d encourage the Lamont campaign to have a press release prepared with turnout figures for past statewide primaries (Senate, Governor, etc.) After the Webb-Miller primary here in VA, some wingnuts tried to crow that the Democrats weren’t interested in the race because of the usual low turnout, and someone quickly posted that turnout in recent Republican primaries was no better, which seemed to shut up most of them.
ESAr and John Casper (and anyone else interested) — I’ve been having some connection problems, so this got posted deep in EPU-dom on the last thread:
The Haynes hearings are directly connected to the Hamdan hearings and to the DoD memo just released this morning. Haynes signed off on coercive interrogation techniques at the DoD. Don’t be too quick to buy the MSM spin about the new memo being a change of policy, and don’t assume that anything is solved — as the DOJ witness said, it’s all in the interpretation of Common Article 3. For an excellent analysis of all this, see Marty Lederman (formerly of OLC):
http://balkin.blogspot.com/200…..de-by.html
ridiculous analogy on cnn, comparing a budget deficit to a home mortgage.
How about comparing it to taking on credit debt because you need champagne and are broke.
Nedford
Neddington
Nedingsley
Nedd
Neddles
KenNEDdy
Redshift says
July 11th, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Thanks for a really terrific response, as per usual.
If your comment is 100% accurate, HoJo’s self-destructing and Ned will win the primary. The problem of course is according the the polls HoJo is still ahead.
My sense is, that HoJo is trying to “target” certain constiuencies. What works with one demographic doesn’t necessarily work with another. This is extremely expensive, but money isn’t HoJo’s problem. Rove has always done massive amounts of negative ads and “swifting.” He just always finds someone else, TM, or direct mail to do it. He doesn’t want his candidate down in the mud. If Ned cannot find someone to fire back at HoJo imo that’s a problem with whatever voters Rove has targeted for HoJo with these attacks.
I put scarecrow’s electricity “find” in a different bucket from negative advertising. Those are facts the people of CT need to hear about. The key is translating something that complicated into soundbytes that are understandable to the TM and the voters.
With that said, your comment brought a wealth of experience and detail that I don’t have. I am all about winning. If Ned “keeping” a stiff upper wins, I am all for it. IMHO the “winning” strategy is probalby a “blend.” I agree Ned has to stay positive and on message, but when he or a surrogate criticizes HoJo, it has to be tight, economical, hit hard, and above all accurately.
I am not “on the ground” in CT and that’s where these decisions need to be made.
Prof at 60 – yeah, I knew that. But Lieberman and his campaign probably wouldn’t, which was my point.
Can anyone tell me the difference between a “Hot day in August” and a cold day …
…in hell?
I’m not sure if this Boston Globe/AP article has been posted but I first saw this Capitol News headline, “Sen. Lieberman Criticized Over Role of Religion in Policymaking”, when I went to C-Span for the Hamdan hearings this morning. I just went back to find and read it. It covers some of the other issues that concern Ned, besides the occupation of Iraq.
http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..itiatives/
Lieberman, Lamont differ on faith-based initiatives
By Susan Haigh, AP Political Writer | July 10, 2006
“Lamont, who is challenging Lieberman in an Aug. 8 Democratic primary, has received a lot of attention for criticizing the three-term senator’s support of the war in Iraq. But he has also denounced Lieberman’s stance on certain issues associated with social conservatives, including his support of a bill that gave a federal court jurisdiction to consider replacing a feeding tube used to sustain Terri Schiavo, the 39-year-old Florida woman who had been in a vegetative state”
{snip}
“Lamont said he is concerned about what he calls “too much acquiescence to a federal government intruding in our lives.” And he said Lieberman has supported such initiatives”
{snip}
” Lamont said. “For me, I’d stand up and say I think we need a bright and shining line there separating church and state. I think that’s been one of the hallmarks of our country for 200 years.”
{snip}
“Lieberman has also supported the concept of private school vouchers for poor students, with certain conditions. Lamont, whose children received some private schooling, said he disagrees with the concept, claiming it robs resources from the public schools.”
{snip}
I just bought some more Connecticut-related web-addresses. This asymmetrical cyberspace political warfare is fun …
when the forwarding “takes” in an hour or so, I’ll share my trophies … tres amusant !
Urban – I can dig up the cite. All my info was from the 80 page study that is a pdf on the link from Katymine that I give at the top. They had cites for their info intext, and I think those stats came from there. GIve me a bit and I’ll get it for you.
Bill Press on CNN– threat to veto stem cell legislation is “dumb as hell.” This is about saving lives, and he is siding with Jerry Falwell, not Nancy Reagan.
I’m with Bill.
From MyLeftNutmeg:
Key Lieberman Backer Gave $15 G To RNC
by: BranfordBoy
Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 16:08:10 PM EDT
Cleveland A. Christophe, one of the 25 founders of the new right wing party, Connecticut For Lieberman, is pretty broadminded in his political contributions.
In addtion to Dem candidates, he’s given to Chris Shays, Rick Lazio (of NY), William Weld’s Senatorial campaign and a whopping $15,000 to the Republican National Committee.
Any firepups have news of my Senator Boxer’s promised arrival in CT to campaign for Joe No Momentum? Dare I hope she took a cue from her Senate collegue – you know ole bright toothed plagarist what’s his name – and/or on a happier note – our State’s stellar Democratic Congresswoman Maxine arrival to stomp for Ted Lamont?
John Casper @ 43 – Oh my, this is wonderful news although difficult to believe. My idyllic mind hopes for accountability of the Add Yoo’s and lackeys.
Thanks for the (link) fantastic news.
How about this for a bumpersticker
“Lieberman Lies”
‘Joe is constitutionally incapable of admitting he was wrong’
another victim of the optimistic rug?
I’ve got an idea: now that we know Lieberman’s campaign created the “No More Joe” bumper sticker, why don’t we all call up his campaign office and try to order some of them?
I’d say that’s only fair – where else can you get one of them?
Joe 2006: (860)244-2006.
RT – Great idea!
Sam says:
July 11th, 2006 at 1:09 pm
Naral Pro-Choice America just endorsed Lieberman. Boo!!!
———————————————————-
Yawn. NARAL has been irrelevant for a while now. Certainly since Alito. When they call, just tell them, “NOPE–Not One Penny Ever.” Write a check to Planned Parenthood instead.
angie @ 1:33 pm (#73) – Me too. There’s a ready supply of stem cells available from sources that even most wingnuts approve of heartily – the fertility clinics. There’s no need to have abortions to support having a continued fresh supply.
Stay the course! Stick with Joe!
We should stick to a failed policy because any alternative will have unknown and, therefore, scary results.
Eureka – the ulitmate info IMO on Mora is from this Mayer article in the New Yorker (she did the recent Addington piece as well).
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/…..227fa_fact
Mora fought over and over on abusive tactics and he was tipped to the situation by some pretty admirable Naval investigation guys. He left DOD recently, but the end of the article wraps up why I put him in a whole different category from almost everyone else who touched this mess:
. . . Mora attended a meeting in Rumsfeld’s private conference room at the Pentagon, called by Gordon England, the Deputy Defense Secretary, to discuss a proposed new directive defining the military’s detention policy. The civilian Secretaries of the Army, the Air Force, and the Navy were present, along with the highest-ranking officers of each service, and some half-dozen military lawyers. Matthew Waxman, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for detainee affairs, had proposed making it official Pentagon policy to treat detainees in accordance with Common Article Three of the Geneva conventions, which bars cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment, as well as outrages against human dignity. Going around the huge wooden conference table, where the officials sat in double rows, England asked for a consensus on whether the Pentagon should support Waxman’s proposal.
This standard had been in effect for fifty years, and all members of the U.S. armed services were trained to follow it. One by one, the military officers argued for returning the U.S. to what they called the high ground. But two people opposed it. One was Stephen Cambone, the under-secretary of defense for intelligence; the other was Haynes. They argued that the articulated standard would limit America’s “flexibility.” It also might expose Administration officials to charges of war crimes: if Common Article Three became the standard for treatment, then it might become a crime to violate it. Their opposition was enough to scuttle the proposal.
In exasperation, according to another participant, Mora said that whether the Pentagon enshrined it as official policy or not, the Geneva conventions were already written into both U.S. and international law. Any grave breach of them, at home or abroad, was classified as a war crime. To emphasize his position, he took out a copy of the text of U.S. Code 18.2441, the War Crimes Act, which forbids the violation of Common Article Three, and read from it. The point, Mora told me, was that “it’s a statute. It exists – we’re not free to disregard it. We’re bound by it. It’s been adopted by the Congress. And we’re not the only interpreters of it. Other nations could have U.S. officials arrested.”
Not long afterward, Waxman was summoned to a meeting at the White House with David Addington. Waxman declined to comment on the exchange, but, according to the Times, Addington berated him for arguing that the Geneva conventions should set the standard for detainee treatment. The U.S. needed maximum flexibility, Addington said. Since then, efforts to clarify U.S. detention policy have languished. In December, Waxman left the Pentagon for the State Department.(emphasis added)
BTW Olsen is quoted in one of the newsmags post Hamdan as saying, something like, OH MY, now that Hamdan is out, it makes it scarey for US folk who may have committed war crimes to travel.
These idiots have recklessly endangered so much for so little. I EPU’d a response to BarbB re: the Lederman article she linked. He includes a fax from ex-DOJ Comey, Philbin, Thompson & Goldsmith— all praising Haynes as if he hadn’t set up DOD for a horrorshow. Respect for lhp notwithstanding, I think they are all unconscionable, immoral, valueless shills.
Back to Mayer’s article
Mora recently started a new job, as the general counsel for Wal-Mart’s international operations. A few days after his going-away party, he reflected on his tenure at the Pentagon. He felt that he had witnessed both a moral and a legal tragedy.
In Mora’s view, the Administration’s legal response to September 11th was flawed from the start, triggering a series of subsequent errors that were all but impossible to correct. “The determination that Geneva didn’t apply was a legal and policy mistake,” he told me. “But very few lawyers could argue to the contrary once the decision had been made.”
Mora went on, “It seemed odd to me that the actors weren’t more troubled by what they were doing>” Many Administration lawyers, he said, appeared to be unaware of history. “I wondered if they were even familiar with the Nuremberg trials-or with the laws of war, or with the Geneva conventions. . .
“These were enormously hardworking, patriotic individuals,” he said. “When you put together the pieces, it’s all so sad. To preserve flexibility, they were-willing to throw away our values.” (emphasis added)
And isn’t that, after all, what you want as a Circuit Court judge? Someone who throws every American and Constitutional value out the window, even over the objection of the whole of the assmebled military, in the name of benefitting Presidential expediency and cover up?
Of course, Mora’s own story reveals that is isn’t that the lawyers couldn’t argue to the contrary – it is that they wouldn’t. The fact that Comey, Philbin et al still choose to flock to someone who couldn’t stand up for what was right – even when the whole of the legal support structure in the military was begging him to, reveals as much about their own character as about Haynes. It sure helps you sleep at night thinking what you did wasn’t so bad after all when you can convince people that someone worse than you is such a great guy he should be put on the 4th Circuit.
Mary — My connection problems prevented me from seeing your response on the last thread. (Comcast promises it’s fixed now; we’ll see.) For those who missed it, Mary pointed out that current and recently departed top DOJ officials are still justifying their previous errors. It’s ironic that it’s the military lawyers standing firm for human rights. (A rough paraphrase, for which I trust she’ll forgive me.) Mary is, as usual, absolutely right.
I would love to be able to find – I’ve looked but no time to do it extensively – a breakdown of the voting patterns of the CT independents. Based on the breakdown of the vote in the 2000 election, it isn’t Republican voters that will matter to Lieberman, it’s the independents. If Lamont can start siphoning them off to his side, he stands a much better chance of victory in the general election.
thanks, cujo359 @ 82– this issue justs makes my blood boil. so many could benefit…
it also breaks my heart.
John Casper — thanks for the compliment, but don’t assume I know too much more than you do. *g* I’m going on what I’ve read and seen, but there may be other ideas on negative ads.
You may be right that Joe’s aiming at certain demographics, and if so, I hope Ned’s campaign has people smart enough to figure out what they are (’cause I sure don’t know.) But it’s also possible, considering how some of the Lieberman campaign’s moves have backfired on them, that they’re just in a big-name senator yes-man bubble, and are doing really stupid things because they’ve insulated themselves from the voters. But it certainly wouldn’t be good strategy to assume that. Only time will tell.
Didn’t have time to read all the comments, but clearly Lieberman is becoming more like the Republicans he so wants to be associated with.
BarbB – you may want to rethink that “right” cuz I may have gone further than you really want to be associated with. But I’m comfy there, even all by myself. ;-)
Urban:
Here’s the info. katymine gave me a site – Women’s Voices. Women Vote. http://www.wvwv.org/
That site has a pdf http://www.wvwv.org/docs/wvwv0…..search.pdf of a study called, “The State of Unmarried American – A Demographic, Lifestyle and Attudinal Overview of America’s Emerging Majority” Feb. 2006.
The abortion stats are from p. 35 of the pdf and they cite a Democracy Corps/CAF/WVWV Post Election Survey November 2004
Hope that helps.
How does this sound for an ad….
Question:”What do all these people have in common?” Then show photos of Rush,Sean, and Ann. (and any other rightwinger who loves Joe)
Answer:They support Joe Lieberman.
Is that the kind of Democrat we need in Connecticut?
Urban 65 – exactly. They are not using that debt to create value of any kind – just give money to cronies.
you are never alone here, Mary. you get it right an awful lot. ;)
angie – just not HUGE RIGHT like Imman. ;)
I need to get me one of them yellow ties.
Question.
How does one mention here on FDL something that one fears the opposition will use in a negative campaign without telegraphing the information to them?
This would be about someone who’s planning to come in and campaign for him, not about Ned.
my newly-bought domains are properly forwarding!
http://www.CT4Lamont.com
http://www.CTFORLamont.com
http://www.ConnecticutForLamont.com
not that Ned would ever form his own Party to go up against the CT Democrats ! (unlike certain whiny incumbents we could mention!)
wow, that would REALLY smart
I LOVE that add for a number of reasons
it would be the earmark everyone would point to as the turning point from corporate pundits to the progressive movement for the people
this is SUPPPOSED to be a government for the people and by people
not for corporations and run by ccrorations
MAN I hope lamone uses that add
Rovesputin pulls the strings and Republican (aka Connecticut for Lieberman) talking points come spewing out of PuppetJoe’s mouth.
I’ve given money to the Lamont campaign. But Jane? Your rhetoric is getting ridiculous. The fake “No More Joe” bumper sticker was a stupid ad, and it’s inexplicable why they made it up, but it’s hardly Lee Atwater sewer politics. Let’s face it; I gave money to Lamont because I want “No More Joe”. It’s entirely legitimate to want to get his ugly mug off of Fox News.
Let’s save terms like “sewer politics” for the real thing, like jamming the phones in New Hampshire, or push polls spreading the idea that John McCain fathered an illegitimate black child, or that John Kerry didn’t deserve his medals. You know, the real thing? Overreacting to small stuff just makes us look wimpy, like we’re all a-flutter because of these lame attempts at attacks.
Calling Joe’s incompetent campaign “sewer politics” gives it more credit than it deserves. Just laugh at it. Lee Atwater’s attacks were effective. This stuff isn’t.
I hope this hasn’t been posted 1000 times already —
Lieberman pollster donates max to Lamont. ?
from rawstory.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0711.html
BarbaraB @ 1:18 Even in my excitement I thought I smelled a rat. Devil in sorted details indeed. The Balkin link (sigh) confirms the odor. I guess we will have to wait and see where this is heading, aside from new legislation, the tortured can wait.
and your little dog – email it direct to Christy or Jane.
NSA will forward to Lieberman via Rush, but at least you’ll feel like you made an effort.
Re: Nate Clarke/me to me, rightwinger albatross (tie ‘em round his neck, figuratively) ad:
If Ned needs to go negative, this would be great. I don’t think it’s appropriate at this point. I’d say hold that thought for the general election, although you’d have to change the last line…
Here’s a bumper sticker:
http://www.wolfblog.net/images/RGJoe.jpg
Anne — Joe has gone out of his way to make this “all about the war,” and I would be very surprised if independent voters in CT are pro-war. He may be making the common “centrist” mistake of believing that independents have views halfway between liberals and conservatives, even as the Right has moved the conservative end steadily further to the extreme.
Now, he may draw from independents because of greater name recognition and confusion about who is the Democrat, but I’d be very surprised if CT indies are natural Lieberman supporters on the issues.
my favorite did whenever I get the chance to denocunce these puppets
yet corporate media are puppeteers, they make believe this story is some kind of issue and people repeat the obsurd claim like marionettes, their wooden jaws going up and down in unison as if on the same string…they even use the same words when they repeat the rediculous claim
how embarrassing
Robert Reich just blew away all the glitter from the economic news on Hardballs.
He gave such a good plan for a way out of this mess that the rethugligoon had to agree with him.
ROTFL!
Mary at 84.
Right on.
I am particularly interested in U.S. Code 18.2441, the War Crimes Act, which forbids the violation of Common Article Three.
Would you be willing to develop a post on that?
Maybe a brief for when Fitzgerald is confirmed at Attonrey General?
tweester just asked the club for growth guy why w starts talkin’ texan and droppin’ his “g’s” when he talks about the economy.
cfg guy Toomey says: because he spends a lot of time in texas?
again, ROTFL!
Lieberman will go down in flames if he loses the primary.
In 1980, generally respected and liked Senator Jacob Javits lost the republican primary to Al D’Amato in something of an upset. Javits ran in the general as an independant and was roadkill, finishing a distant third.
Once Holy Joe loses that primary, he’s damaged goods, and everyone will distance themselves from him.
Geeno
And they all know that about the primary so if you think “NoMoJoe” is the bottom just wait a second…
housekeeping…
Hey, *ilson, where do you recommend buying website names?
And GrandmaJ if you’re here, a while back you posted a comment about the path one is on…could you repost? Or somebody clue me in on how to backtrack and find it?
And HopeSpringsATurtle…are you checkin’ in with us? We’re keeping you and your doc-husband in our caring thoughts.
Mary 90 — I probably wouldn’t call them shills; I’d call them hopelessly morally compromised because they didn’t stop this years ago. Their praise for Haynes sounds like self-justification to me. “Without him (and by extension us) it would have been worse. He tried.” I’ve heard that before, from an FBI agent trying to explain why he went along with COINTELPRO. He said that he had thought if he stayed in the Bureau, rather than resigning, he could limit the worst excesses. Looking back, he thought that decision was morally wrong and deeply regretted it.
I had a lot of respect for that FBI agent. I have none at all for the crowd supporting Haynes. “Shills” is too nice a word for them.
Joe Buck — so you find that inventing things that your opponent didn’t do and attributing them to him is “funny?”
Why am I not laughing.
It is going to get really ugly and a lot of the dirt will be spread by phone and handouts…
Meanmrmustard
I was squinting…was that lieberman dating or debating republicans?
Will wonders never cease.
Mitchell Wade’s MZM “worked on assessing Saddam Hussein’s nuclear capabilities during the runup to the U.S. invasion of Iraq.” per TPM Muckracker via the Business Week article by Eamon Javers and Dawn Kopecki. On the “Shake & Bake – cooking intelligence nice and crispy front – they helped with the “analsysis” of Hussein’s nuclear capabilities.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001103.php
Laura Rozen at War and Piece talks about the ties between MZM and the Army’s National Ground Intelligence Center (NGIC). NGIC was the source of the “secret report” that Santorum and Hoekstra were hawking earlier – complete with on camera classified document waves. http://www.warandpiece.com/
Way ot. Larry Johnson gives a vicious verbal beating to one Micheal Scheuer. Did I mention, I really like this guy? Courtesy Booman.
http://www.boomantribune.com/s…..14467/8891
Mary @ 1:48 pm (#84) – It is sad that the DoJ aren’t the ones who are insisting the law be obeyed. I understand the Pentagon’s reluctance to do this, and appluad it at the same time, but it’s the DoJ that ought to be sticking up for this point of view.
I was a little unclear whom you were referring to in your comment in the last thread vs. Mora, but now it’s clear. If Comey (as well as Olsen, et. al.) went along with this, then he’s stained by it as well.
Phil
Yeah, but what is that “dirt?” That Lamont is a commie pinko fag? That as a successful businessman, he is actually a Karl Rove in disguise? That Lamont is actually Bin Laden in hiding? There is no place for Lieberman’s bullshit to go.
Barb B Mary & John C – Thank you all for helping a lil’ pup sort this out. Taking a walk now I feel a bit ill.
Sam, anyone else — link to NARAL endorsement of Lieberman?
Joe Buck
The key to Rove’s/HoJo’s success is that the people doing the swifting often cannot be linked to the campaign. It doesn’t take a Rocket Scientist to figure out whose advising HoJo. This is just the first wave, the attacks that are still “on the drawing board,” will be a lot worse.
This contest is occurring in a context. Your comment ignores the context.
OT Thanks Red Shift above.
BarbB – we’ve reached an agreement on language.
“Hopelessly morally compromised self justifiers” it is.
Imman – you know he doesn’t need the brief. It’s not a matter of not knowing. If it was, my opinions would be more flexible.
didn’t ct naral endorse lamont in May?
Bustednuckles @ 2:26 pm (#118) – Johnson to Scheuer:
Let’s face it, you’re the Salieri of intelligence analysts.
Yes, I like him, too.
I can’t find anything about a Lieberman endorsement on the NARAL CT web site.
Google search on NARAL Lieberman doesn’t show it either.
Today’s mail brought an ad from the Lamont campaign.. it’s in color. . .the cover is an industrial smokestack belching fire and smoke and in big white letters it says “Up in smoke?”
in fainter grey letters in the background are the words “affordable gas prices”. . .”safe and clean environment”. . .and “independence from foreign oil”. When you open it up there are 3 sides. .the middle and left has a photo of a woman’s arm putting gas in her car – her children in the background. . .
The print (in white) in the middle section says “Joe Lieberman traded our clean air and water for billions in tax breaks to oil companies making record-breaking profits”. . .
then “While Amrica’s dependence on foreign oil increases by 130,000 barrels a day”. . . .and under that “And consumers get soaked at the gas pump”. On the right hand side is a black and white photo of Bush and Joe together and the print states “Joe Lieberman. . . unwilling to stand up to George Bush. . .unable to stand up for Connecticut”.
Then you turn it over and on the back is photo of the signing ceremony for the energy bill
with Joe shaking Bush’s hand and Cheney, Frist
and others smiling and applauding.
The print says “Senator Joe Lieberman was the only New England Democrat who voted for the Bush-Cheney Energy Bill.”
I gotta tell you this is a dynamite ad. . .very professionally done. . .but it IS negative.. . to me the only problem is it doesn’t even mention the name Lamont or show his picture. . on the front it just says “Vote Tuesday August 8″ and the return address is Ned Lamont for Senate. I’m sure they’vve got some real marketing pros doing this work, but I would think they should have said “Vote for Ned Lamont” at least once!
OK, Mary, I think you are being concrete just to get out of some work :~)
Would you please write a nice comment/post about the US Code war crime provisions?
Thanks,
Jerry
Someone upthread referred to a Bush blow-up at a CNN reporter. Was that today?
Could anyone link to it. I’d love to read it.
TIA
John Casper 127 — me either, or Joe’s. You think he’d have it up there in a hot flash.
18 USC 2441 provides that anyone, inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime shall be subject to a fine, imprisonment, or death.
The person who commits the war crime or the victim of the war crime is either a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or a national of the United States (defined by the Immigration and Nationality Act).
A war crime is any conduct defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed in Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party, violation of various provisions of the Hague Convention, or violation of article 3 of the Geneva Convention . . .
George Bush has made the United States military a war criminal.
http://www.prochoiceamerica.or…..12006.html
phoebes:
this might be it, but it was yesterday.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..#more-8823
:-)
Imman – Who Yoo talking to?
I’ll try to put something readable together tonight.
It is one of the things that makes me so spitting furious – soldier & intelligence officers and FBI/CIA lined up like pawns on the one hand, NSA on the other – and the DOJ lawyers sitting safe, lining all of THEM up to be on the front lines for becoming war criminals and felons.
Thank God I’ve never had to come across such an abusive and assinine and arrogant a disregard for the people who put their necks on the line by people who should have been their advocates and looking out for them.
dk 131
that is one excellant referance, will save
Mary,
Not ALL DOJ lawyers. Office of Legal Counsel. I would like to see some accountability happen to Mr.Yoo.
A developing story from Raw Story:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0711.html
OT – again (sorry!)
(at rawstory) Novak free to discuss leak case – developing…
(It seems to me this means that Novak is now free to lie about the leak case and his involvement in any way he wants to – in addition to spinning it any way Dick Cheney wants him to…)
I’m glad my name isn’t Nancy Keenan right now.
NARAL Pro-Choice America has endorsed pro-choice incumbent Sens. Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Lincoln Chafee (R-RI), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Joseph Lieberman (D-CT), Robert Menendez (D-NJ), and Debbie Stabenow (D-MI).
Nate Clarke says: How does this sound for an ad….
Question:”What do all these people have in common?” Then show photos of Rush,Sean, and Ann. (and any other rightwinger who loves Joe)
Answer:They support Joe Lieberman.
Is that the kind of Democrat we need in Connecticut?
How does this grab you?
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..meone.html
Oops, sorry Stephen Parrish – got a phone call and ended up very late on the draw…
tweety reporting on Novak now.
Bill Harlowe?
Prairie Sunshine — I am here but useless when it comes to finding old posts. It is often that I wonder if people are keeping track of conversations in different windows because they seem to answer people quickly. I do not find a question or comment directed to me until I reread the whole thread.
And in truth, I am not sure if I even remember which post you are remembering.
So sorry. But if it was a good one, I will own it for sure. :-) If not — someone must be posing as me. haha as if anyone would want to… [grammar note - I put 3 periods there because it is improper to finish a sentence with ‘to’ and I am pretending that I had something else to say]
Pincus and VandeHei, July 27, 2005: Prosecutor In CIA Leak Case Casting A Wide Net
Former spokesman for the CIA confirmed to a reporter the id of a NOC.
me head is reeling.
FDL Friends
Just heard om Hardball that Bob Novak will name his other source as Bill Harwood in the Plame scandal.
Late once again!!!
So does slam dunk Tenet have to give back his medal now???
me to me 136-
You sure love your a’s ;)
Dover Bitch, That was FAST! ALL over that one.
OK
angie – Novak is CLAIMING Harlowe confirmed the identity of a NOC. Harlowe says otherwise.
As between the two, I’m thinking I believe Harlowe. A bit more credibility, I think.
Who is Novacks “primary source” if Rove nd Harlow are not the “primary source”, who is?
Raw story says Novack will answer “Rove” “Harow” AND his “primary source”
It’s that last one
Grandma J at 145, as long as we’re doing grammar notes, it’s no longer considered in appropriate to end a sentence with a preposition. That was an artificial grammatical construct imported into English from Latin, by elitist prescriptive grammarians who felt the latter language was innately superior.
Whew! All that for one little word. But, ’tis true.
(P.S. I’ve always liked Churchill’s alleged response to the same criticism: “That is the kind of nonsense up with which I will not put!” *g*)
Shuster speculated some about Armitage, lhp. guess we gotta wait til the sun goes down tomorrow for Novakula to tell us.
Be gone, cursed italics.
1,204 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOES ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher:
Can we use this moment of the Connecticut primary to expose the entire corporatization and corruption of the Democratic Party establishment? Lieberman’s campaign is like all of the fascist propaganda efforts of the last 25 years (at least in this country)… even if they lose they win because the good guys are so stained and weakened by the attacks and the whole system of democratic politics is so soiled to the average voter who is tryin’ ta make sense of all of it, that the body of folks who will continue to participate is reduced by large factors. It’s not just the democratic opposition or “the good guys” who are wounded by these tactics…the whole system is infected because people begin to feel that “they’re all crooks, the whole system is corrupt”. When this has gone on long enough, when the political battlefield is reduced to a square block street fight, the greater mass of citizens vote with their feet…that is to say they don’t vote and the whole structure of democracy is shrunk to the size that it can be drowned in the baptismal bowl at the alter of authoritarian government.
The only way our system can be saved is to energize those folks who would otherwise be “turned off” to participation…make this a war not just a primary election. Make this a war against those forces that have frustrated the hopes and dreams of common folks, but keep the war within the political battlefield outlined in the Constitution. In Connecticut, all this requires is to expose Lieberman as a corporate stooge who owes his original election to the Senate to the fascists and the National Review. Delegitimize him and everyone who supports him…don’t be afraid to alienate those few well intentioned suckers who honestly like the guy. Paint Joe as the anti-democrat that he is and move on. Lamont then focuses on the issues contrasting his positions to Bush’s, ignorin’ Joe entirely except to respond once and awhile with ” Oh God Joe…are you still there?!!”
The battle for the soul of the resistance movement we call the Democratic Party has been engaged…even Carville is beginnin’ to change his tune to appear that he has discovered a new thing called “populism” (see a Digby post of 7/10/06). Don’t let the fascists get away with the lie that “if Joe loses then the Republicans will win in the general election”…tear the heart outta the Lieberman campaign and tattoo everyone who ever supported the guy with a big “A” (for adulterer)on their forhead… why do ya think Biden skipped out?
All of this is within reach but we hafta be willin’ to see politics as war and…
KEEP THE FAITH…ALL THEY’VE GOT IS THE MONEY!!
ARRRRGGGGhhhh
She kicks desk in frustration and stubs toe
Ow ow ow
Angie,
what happens tomorrow night? Is Novack doing anothe TV show tomorrow?
Isn’t it interesting that when the Plame saga seemed to die down briefly after Luskin announced the receipt of that letter from Fitzgerald, the community at FDL did not slow down one bit.
If anything, the conversation at FDL and on the progessive blogs has picked up and broadened in scope, and the roots community has continued to grow.
It is wonderful that we were brought together in part by our mutual interest in the Plame story, to which we were largely bystanders, but now that we are together at FDL, we can really take action and have an impact on the issues that matter to us. I’m thinking in particular of Lamont in particular, but there is so much more. I am so impressed by the resiliance and spirit found here.
For every supposed “setback” such as the lull in the Plame saga, we simply readjust and continue forward, growing in strength and purpose.
from raw:
According to the Drudge Report, Novak will be making two appearances on the FOX News Channel tomorrow evening to talk about his role in the probe, on “Special Report with Brit Hume” and “Hannity & Colmes.”
from *shudder* drudge
FLASH: Bob Novak will break his silence tomorrow night in two separate interviews with FOXNEWS CHANNEL, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. Novak will appear on Brit Hume (6pm/et) and Hannity & Colmes (9pm/et)…
Well, if he’s doing the spill on Faux, will anything besides his name be accurate?
angie and moi – That Novak wants to do this on Fox does nothing for my sense of well-being.
See Dover’s post – the Harlow info was already out and it is what is so damning against Novak IMO.
He knew good and well that if CIA was telling him Plame’s name should not be used, she was covert.
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Larry J – I actually like reading Mike Scheuer too, and Richard Clarke, and others. It makes for some interesting balancing. *g*
But if Scheuer is calling Clarke an architect of 9/11 after all he went through – and O’Neill who is dead as well – that’s a bit much. Larry seems to have it covered. ;)
He also has this interesting insight into Hoekstra and his concern troll status.
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m……html#more
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Great, FOX news channel. Karl will be behind the curtains pulling the strings to Novak’s mouth.
The spinning will make the Tasmanian Devil blush.
agreed, cujo– the go-to channel of the admin.
hmph.
We don’t get Faux over here.
Hopefully one of you brave souls is gonna liveblog.
Ned should take maximum advantage of Leaverman’s fraudulant “No More Joe” campaign.
One way to do that would be to call attention to the lies regarding the phony bumpersticker and Web site, and use that as an opening to shine the light on other lies or misleading tactics by Leaverman. Such as the one about saving CT utility rate payers $800 million, and voting a meaningless “no” on Alito after helping to kill the filibuster. Oh, and there’s the time he claimed he would run in the general election as a “petitioning Democrat” when in fact state law does not allow that, and what he is really doing is starting a third party to compete with the Democratic nominee. So the bumpersticker is a perfect symbol for a pervasive pattern of lying and misleading statements and actions.
Novak knew he was outing a CIA agent and is walking, and now gets his little evil kingpin exclusive.
I’m not interested enough to click on Fox news.
Maybe if they were televising the Second Coming live and exclusive, but maybe not then.
Well, if its on Fox, the BushCo network, we can assume that he will be spilling no real beans. If he had come out on the Daily Show, well….
I bet Novak can’t wait. Maybe he’ll get to sit in the same chair as ‘The guy who shot an old man in the face’.
Imm and Mary — As to Hamdan and the War Crimes Act, you might like to see this: http://gulcfac.typepad.com/geo….._act_.html
Rosa Brooks, of the Georgetown faculty, does a nice job. Not better than Mary could, of course, but perhaps good enough to save Mary some time.
Cujo
Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I can think of one psossibelreason why it might be good that Novack is doing the striptease on Fox.
If it was someone we wish it wasn’t, that would be HUGE NEWS and would rehab Noavck with the MSM bigwigs.
But if it is someone like the Sith Lord himself, doing it with Hannity and Hume allows for all sorts of (ahem) speculation and theorizing (and outright fantasy spinning) about why it was not so bad to do it.
I think Rosa did an awesome job. I’m with her even including the caveat on Lederman’s OLC “due process” out and the fact that Rumsfeld won’t be in the dock.
Until he gets to hell.
Is Novak a paid guest I wonder?
Novak left CNN to be a pundit for Faux after he blew up at Carville, iirc.
looseheadprop @ 3:23 pm (#177) – Hadn’t thought about it that way, but that’s probably because I couldn’t imagine how to excuse Darth Cheney or anyone else in government for deliberately doing this. This lack of imagination, of course, is why I’m not a political consultant.
Leslile in CA at 157 = Whew!!! Thanks. This info will save me tons of time trying, often vainly, how to reword a sentence. ;)
Seems like I heard something about a Web site where you can go and pay to receive a list of every cell phone call a person has made. Someone should get a copy of the cell phone calls of Rove and of Joe’s campaign manager, and see if any of them match up.
Jane has a new thread. Feel the snark…..
Mary @ 168,
Thanks for the Hoekstra links and clarification. It’s been bugging me ever since I first saw him supposedly demanding the administration do what they’re supposed to do—couldn’t figure out what the real story was. I should have known to check emptywheel…
I recently wrote Senator Salazar to complain about his statement of support for Lieberman (until the primary and beyond) and to urge him to make more of an effort to more vigorously oppose what I characterized as this “despicable Republican administration”. Here is his somewhat lame (and evasive) reply:
Dear George:
Thank you for contacting me regarding my support for Senator Lieberman. Senator Lieberman is a good man, a good friend, and a good Senator. However, this is a political issue; and due to Senate ethics rules, is not an issue I can discuss further using public Senate resources.
Thank you for again for contacting me.
Sincerely,
Ken Salazar
United States Senator
Otto – YOUR Senator cannot use Senate resources to discuss your political concerns with you?
Lame is one word.
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Re: Novak. Wonder why Rove isn’t as free and easy to talk about what he has testified about? He sure seemed evasive in the Aspen interview write up.
Jane (re #114):
I’m saying that you should be pointing out Joe’s deceptions, and laughing at them, but that you should be keeping the commentary proportionate. It is the lameness and ineffectiveness of the Lieberman campaign that I find to be funny.
Lieberman’s people are making up straw men to argue with. They are expanding on a small grain of truth — the fact that a lot of people were sick, sick, sick of Joe Lieberman long before Lamont came along, and would have jumped on Ned’s bandwagon as soon as there was any hope, and expanded it into a falsehood, that this is the only thing that the Lamont campaign is about. They think it’s an effective tactic because they think that Connecticut voters love Joe the way the Washington press corps does.
The reason I suggested laughing is because it reveals a campaign that, far from Atwater/Rove levels of diabolical sleaze, is simply incompentent. These guys don’t deserve the honor (or dishonor) of being put into the same category. All they are revealing is that they are going down.
Also, I don’t want to waste mentions of Atwater/Rove tactics on small stuff. There are too many real examples of dirty Republican tactics. Atwater/Rove would be telling Lamont supporters to vote on the wrong day, or making sure that pro-Lamont parts of town don’t have enough voting machines.
Here’s the latest crap in my e-mail box. I think he is blasting all Ds in the state because I didn’t sign up for these.
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With less than a month until Primary Day, our offices around the state are buzzing with energy. Friends like you have turned out to volunteer on weekends, after work—even during your lunch break! Thanks so much for all you do.
Senator Lieberman is a national figure, and our fight for Connecticut’s future has taken on national importance. Volunteers are signing up from around the country to help re-elect Joe, and most of these folks will be driving up and flying in the weekend before August 8th. Can you help these hard workers by giving them a place to stay?
Let us know if you can contribute supporter housing for a volunteer!
These volunteers are giving up vacations and weekends to fight for the future of Connecticut. Please welcome them while they’re here.
Let us know if you can contribute supporter housing for a volunteer!
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new thread
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..arenthood/
Update on Haynes nomination. Possible filibuster. If Lindsy, well, possible filibuster.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..p;refer=us
Re: #141
Thanks for that link. I thought I had come up with a good idea but I guess NED and his team have everthing covered. By the way, that is a good ad. Just in case you missed it:
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..meone.html
Did some one post that there is a heart wrenching new Riverbend?
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
Sometimes it just seems unbearable.
Folks, does anyone know how close to the primary voters can register or change party? I’m worried about a bunch of Repubs changing their registration to Dem so they can support Holy Joe.
Any reason for me to be paranoid about this?
Mauimom @ 194 – here’s the info (might as well use up some of Sore Loserman’s bandwidth): new registrations and changes of party affiliation have to be postmarked by Thursday 8/3 at 8am, and be received at the Town Hall by noon on Monday 8/7, the day before the primary.
I’ve visited your island twice, btw – beautiful place, but you already know that.
http://www.observer.com/200607…..onason.asp