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The Connecticut Post has an article today on the deceptive Lieberman ad which shows a fake, mocked-up Lamont bumper sticker -- done in the exact style that Ned has his own bumper stickers. And a fake website. In other words, the entire political advertisement is based on a lie.
From the Connecticut Post:
William Scher, of Northampton, Mass., exposed the phony bumper sticker Sunday on his Web site, liberaloasis.com. The ad ran Sunday on Hartford's WTIC-TV, during "Fox News Sunday." It was also shown duringC-SPAN's airing of the Lieberman-Lamont debate, where Scher saw it.Scher said his wife wanted to purchase the bumper sticker to display her anger at Lieberman, but he found that nomorejoe.com was not an active site; it had been used two years earlier in a county sheriff's race in Arizona.
"Their central argument is that Ned Lamont has nothing to say beyond 'I hate Joe Lieberman.' They couldn't find any tangible evidence of that, so they had to make it up," Scher said.
His discovery was quickly picked up by other liberal bloggers who expressed outrage at Lieberman's use of a false image — even though many of them have embraced images "doctored" to highlight their claim that Lieberman is too close to President Bush.
Yep,. you are absolutely right that people are disgusted by politicians who lie in their campaign commercials. As FactCheck.org shows it:
Again, from FactCheck.org:
Further, the website on the sticker featured in the ad, www.nomorejoe.com, does not exist. The page is currently blank. Nomorejoe.com is registered to Highground Inc. of Phoenix, AZ. A spokesperson for Highground told FactCheck.org that the domain name was purchased in 2004 as an independent expenditure for a local campaign against Sheriff Joe Arpaio and has no affiliation with the Connecticut Senate race.Overall, the Lieberman campaign is well within its rights to argue that Lamont's campaign lacks a positive message and is simply "anti-Lieberman." But creating false campaign material and passing it off as authentic? That seems at odds with the ad's praise of Lieberman's "principles." (emphasis mine)
When you have reached the point in your political campaign where you have to openly lie about your opponant to find some basis of attack, you have gone way over pathetic into desperation and crapola.
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Not a surprise as you’ve noted he is running like a Republican. Lets hope for America that crap tactics and lies don’t work for a few years.
For example polarizing opinion and writting a narative that sucker punches democrats (his old party). For instance the lie that Fox news already picked up about 8 days ago….this is a black and white issue of the WAR. Anyway Fox news is already on it and the Republican stategy seeks to make turn any win here into a loss.
It is more than that of course, his love of Bush and Presidential powers beyond the war for instance.
Desperate and pathetic.
Frankly, I think the “No More Joe” campaign is gonna backfire on loserman. People like the brevity of the statement.
Some thoughts about Joementum…
That thing Lieberman is doing? It’s called extortion.
I wish Ned Lamont would specifically talk about neoconservatism in his campaign and how Lieberman’s support of this philosophical doctrine that has profoundly failed us is the main source of Lieberman’s problems. This is the same policy that took us into Iraq and the same militant nationalism that is causing us problems on all fronts.
… but, but. but: Marion sez Ned tries to confuse voters TOO, with the morphing ad. Yeah, that was misleading.
What percent of voters who thought Ned’s campaign actually produced that bumper sticker ALSO thought that Joe’s voice actually comes out of W’s mouth!??
Tools.
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Had Enough?
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liar, liar, plants on fire.
With tactics like that,just try to tell me that Rove isn’t whispering in his ear.
Primary is four weeks from today. Not much longer to wait. Apparently Joe is in the lead.
I’m not at all surprised to see this. It’s right out of the Rovian playbook . . . just ask the McCain folks in South Carolina, the Cleland folks in Georgia, etc.
Meanwhile, as Bush touts the rosy economic numbers, the Dow is down about 55-60 points or so, and oil prices are up over $74/barrel. I guess the markets are just driven by the rabid lambs of the progressive blogosphere, who can’t stand any good news . . .
You can’t even see pathetic from where Bush and his buddies are standing.
Lamont should buy the site name.
Exactly which images are they referring to? Not the kiss!
rwcole 14 — Apparently Joe is in the lead.
Link to recent polling please?
Hi Teddy…did you get5 my email?
But it’s bizarro-world Karl who whispers in Joe’s ear — these attacks and tricks are too quickly exposed, so Rover must be whispering in OTHER ears as well…. this effort by Rove, if any, is all aimed at turning this seat GOP this fall.
Ah…TeddySanFran explains it.
The Explainator.
Jane–as of 6/15
http://www.removerepublicans.c....._lieberman
cathy: that URL is still owned by somebody else but you can buy any domain name for enough money — I wonder how much www.aol.com would go for?
I would like Lieberman beat as much as anyone else here. Yet as Ruth Marucs mptes today in WaPo, there are 3 Repug House seats in CT that are also in play. I just hope the CT netroots have not forgotten about nabbing those, too, as they quite properly go after Lieberman.
”’>While Lamont and the bloggers who back him devote their energy to defeating Lieberman, Connecticut has three competitive House races where Democratic challengers have a chance of beating Republican incumbents and helping take back the House. Wouldn’t those be a more productive way for Democrats unhappy about Bush and the war to channel their anger?”’
Lamont should have a tv commercial where hannity and limbaugh and any other rightwinger are talking nice about Lieberman and say what’s wrong with this picture? If the right wants to endorse Lieberman, then he’s no democrat.
OfT: John Harris taking softballs right over the plate:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00991.html
Cathy–why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?
As the link above shows, Lamont has a chance of beating Lieberman in the primary- only trailing by five- his chances in the general, however, are very slim- approaching “none” as a limit.
OT– yeah, Teddy and he can’t respond to the news of the Geneva Conventions applying to all detainees. Has not gotten the talking points yet, I reckon. Guess I won’t see my question today.
Has anyone here speculated on what would likely happen if Joe wins as an indie? Would he vote for dem leadership? Would he caucus with goopers? Anyone know?
people are assuming he’d caucus with the Dems and vote for Dem leadership … he’ll probably come out explicitly and say that soon …
Wilson—Maybe not until after the primary.
Hope you are right.
Rape Gurney Joe will caucus with the Liebermans.
As in, “Lieberman, party of one?”
Senator Joseph I. Lieberman (Lieberman, CT).
(note the I!)
‘Overall, the Lieberman campaign is well within its rights to argue that Lamont’s campaign lacks a positive message and is simply “anti-Lieberman.”‘
What? I think Ned’s campaign is very positive.
How can this not hurt Lieberman’s campaign? Actually, is there anything he’s done or said that could be considered to be helping the campaign - his own campaign, that is? I just think it’s hilarious that his message is completely obscured by the “No More Joe” image - and I think voters take away two things from it: one, that “No More Joe” expresses an actual and growing sentiment, even if the bumper sticker is fake, and two, that Joe is now the guy who is so desperate to win that he had to lie about his opponent’s campaign.
I realize there will be independents who will vote for Lieberman no matter what he does - these are the same people who probably voted for Bush, and who would vote for him if he could run again. I think that by the time we get to August 8, Ned will have a decent lead on Joe among Democrats, and will win the primary. Lieberman keeps saying that he wants all the people of Connecticut to have a chance to vote for him, and he includes Democrats in that group. Does he think that Dems who did not vote in the primary would vote for him in the general, and that Dems who voted Lamont in the primary would switch over to vote Lieberman in the general? I get the possibility of the former, but the latter makes no sense at all - to me, anyway.
I hope the Lamont campaign is looking at the Joe’s voting record - the 90% of the time when he claims he voted with the Democrats - because I think it would be instructive - and revealing - to know how often those votes were on matters where there was no chance his vote would make a difference. In close votes, which side was he on? I think there is ground to be gained on that basis, and I hope it gets a look.
I expect that Lieberman will soon announce that he is changing his first name to “Ned” so all the voters of CT can have a chance to vote for the “right” Ned…
If Lieberman wins- it could be his last term in the senate. He will be seventy at the time of the next election. If elected as an indie- he will owe no one. Hard to say how this might shake out.
Sounds like a baad superhero:
It’s a nerd…it’s vain!
It’s…..Liebermaan!
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Can we not discount any conventional wisdom about HoJo’s prowess in the general election as an (I)? After what we hope will be a decisive loss in the primary, HoJo will be damaged goods, emanating the stench of a loser. Remaining clingers-on will jump ship. The full spectrum of Democrats (other than refusenik incumbet protectors) will be perfectly justified in railing against HoJo’s anti-party actions, making him a pariah.
This, coupled with the positive vibe of Ned’s groundswell, make for a very fluid dynamic I would think.
Punaise–But we are tough minded realists when it comes to politics and don’t let wishful thinking cloud our objective judgement.
Who will run against Lieberman in the newly crafted Connecticut for Lieberman Party?
It’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to….
“I’m Joe Lieberman and I approve this message.”
Right from the ad with the fake website/sticker. Hang that around Lieberman’s neck, what a lying sack of crap.
punaise: It’s not just us saying that. One of the political handicappers on PRI yesterday said precidely that. It’s the show “To the Point” that Stoller was also on.
Just to repost, HighGround, the Arizona company, was also famous for the Wal-Mart book burning ad, according to my sauces on google.
punaise - the one thing you have to take into account is that independent voters represent the largest voting bloc in CT, so there will be a significant number of voters who will not be able to vote in the primary. That’s why Joe keeps talking about giving “all” the voters a chance to vote for him in the general. Would be interesting to see how the vote broke down in 2000 among the three parties.
Turn out is going to be a huge factor, I think.
rwcole - care to make a bet on your predictions? Lamont will win the primary and the general, both with ease.
I don’t think anything can be taken for granted. Lieberman is a verteran campaigner and, as this ad shows, he’s willing to do pretty much anything to keep his butt in this job. This is going to be a long, hard fight — and we need to be clear-eyed and ready to roll up our sleeves to win it. Period.
That said, I swear Lieberman’s campaign people have lost their minds doing something this asanine. Morons.
rwc: 70 isn’t old in this Senate. DiFi is 73 and running for re-election now. How old is YOUR Senator, everybody?
Oh, you wanna talk OLD? John McCain, now THAT’s old……
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I am making no predictions. I have no idea how this thing will turn out. It’s going to be interesting. The most interesting scenario is Joe going back to the congress as an indie–don’t know what the odds are of that happening- but it’s something dems need to be doing contingency planning for.
Teddy at 48 — I believe I win this topic. Sen. Byrd is one of my Senators. :)
Jomentum is running like the (very recently)old Republicans. Now the Republicans are doing everything they can to try to make us forget the last five years have happened, with the cooperation of the MSM I might add. Cowboy diplomacy, RIP–the deficit is going down (NYT), we will abide by the Geneva conventions, Rove as Mr. Nice Guy. . . As soon as they’d win the elections they’d revert to their old ways in a hurry. They’re pulling Old Man Bush’s kinder, gentler thing. It won’t work with the bloggers, but I’m very cynical about the rest of our citizenry having their eyes open to this kind of crap.
sunlight at 25: Ironically, Ms. Marcus disproves the main media-groupthink talking point about the race, and doesn’t even realize that she has done so:
If this were “only about the war” or about “anger at Bush” then that might be a logical argument. Since people aren’t doing that, a thoughtful journalist would think that maybe the reason actually has to do with Lieberman’s undermining of the Democrats for his own benefit on a number of issues. A lazy journalist would just assume, as Ms. Marcus does, that the bloggers are stupid.
Sadly, we have a lot of lazy journalists these days.
Agreed: nothing is in the bag, far from it. But the trend seems favorable in the short term as HoJo continues to shoot himself in the foot. Obviously the primary is the first hurdle.
What sort of Stage Two planning do you suppose is going on now in the Lamont camp to make the most of that fluid dynamic in the general election (without counting the first chicken before it hatches, of course)? My point is that, in the event of a primary victory, Ned can’t afford to wake up the next day and say “OK, what now?”.
The nightmare scenario for the dems is Joe winning as an indie and negotiating tough with both parties for his vote.
This is only are REAL nightmare if dems win enough seats to take control of the senate and need Joe’s vote to seal the deal. The odds of that happening this time are still slim- but in 08 and 10 it could very well happen.
“Connecticut for Lieberman”? More like “Loserman for Leaverman”.
Via the web, I heard the first part of Jane’s WTIC interview. As impressive as she was, I was astonished that local talk radio could intelligent. It was a delightful discovery. I think I’ve lived too long in the shadow of the Capitol…where G. Gordon Liddy, Hannity, and other no-nothings spew forth daily.
rwcole,
I guess I don’t understand the meaning of the word “prediction”. I would have thought that the quote is a prediction. If you say someone’s chances are slim and approaching none, it seems that you are making a prediction. You can disagree on the semantics, but I think it is arguable that you are in the prediction business today. And fortunately, punaise and pach are able to point out countervailing considerations that indicate, to me at least, that your predictions are flawed.
Here’s your quote:
“As the link above shows, Lamont has a chance of beating Lieberman in the primary- only trailing by five- his chances in the general, however, are very slim- approaching “none” as a limit.”
we are tough minded realists when it comes to politics and don’t let wishful thinking cloud our objective judgment.
Which is why Ned Lamont has an excellent shot to win the primary, and a good chance of winning the general election.
As a tough minded realist, the odds of Ned Lamont winning it all have increased dramatically since Joe Lieberman’s campaign began imploding.
Seriously — what HoJo has done in the past 10 days are textbook examples of what goes wrong with campaigns when the incumbent believes they are entitled to their seat, and completely out of touch with their constituency.
Whatever residual pool of support HoJo enjoys, it is shrinking by the day. There is no reason to believe this trend will continue after the primary, when he is abandoned by Democrats, Independents, and Republicans.
Polling trend lines are more significant than a snapshot in time, and HoJo is tanking with ALL Connecticut Voters:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/7/10/12411/4195
If these trends continue, Ned Lamont will win.
Punaise- Ned would have to fight Joe for the indie vote I suppose. That’s what would decide a three way election. Don’t know how he would go after it.
John Warner is 79 but looks like 109; George Allen is 53. I saw the 2 of them together on Saturday and it looked like George was sucking the life out of John. GA was bustling around all sudsy and redfaced, surrounded by courtiers while JW shuffled along; gray and alone.
Christy, here’s another for the Santorum archive:
North Korean leader Kim Jong Il “doesn’t want to die,” according to U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum. “He wants to watch NBA basketball.”
http://www.pennlive.com/printe.....amp;coll=1
Where can I get me one o them bumperstickers!
I see Ned’s campaign doing well.
Current polling…well, what did the polls say about Joe say, a year ago? Last November? April?
Ned needs to keep forging ahead.
As for the 3 House seats, what says Joe helps win any of those? He’s talking about sucking up all the campaign finance $ if current trends continue. But if he goes Indy, what of the $ then?
etc.
bumpersnicker
RWCole
Joe is supposed to have called Harry Reid before he announced his petition campaign and promised him he’d caucus with the Dems.
I’m pretty sure he’s said he’d caucus with Dems in interviews, too, although I can’t remember where I heard him.
I can hear him saying it in his whining voice.
Of course, I don’t know how much stock you can put in anything he says, now.
in the local newspaper in new london,ct, there have been 8 LTE all bashing holy joe and none have come out against ned. there have been two editorials that have been somewhat critical of joe and more complimentary to ned in the past week alone. it is early for the newspaper to makes it’s recomendation. i look forward to the latest quinnepiac poll, which should be out soon. it’s still a month away for the primary, but the momentum is clearly moving in neds direction here locally. the DC pundits can pontificate all they want. the voters in connecticut will make their desires known, regardless of what the DC pundits say.
typo correction — this should read:
Whatever residual pool of support HoJo enjoys, it is shrinking by the day. There is no reason to believe this trend will not continue after the primary, when he is abandoned by Democrats, Independents, and Republicans.
I think if Joe runs as an indie, he has proven over and over again, he is capable of stepping in it at every turn…
and just because CT voters are indies doesn’t mean they want to vote for a slippery liar…
Did anyone watch Tweety last night? He was talking about YouTube and the political ads created by amateurs, and he used as a sample Ned’s ad on Joe/W morphing.
I couldn’t beleive it.
rwcole
I see two scenarios if Lieberman runs as an indie, the Republican party effectively stops campaigning so that JoMo can slip into the the Senate, which begs the question of how the religious right will react to a (moderately) pro-choice (former) Democrat as the de facto Republican candidate
or
the Repubs see a chance to actually pick up a seat against two Democrats, which means you have Lamont against two pro-Bush pro-War candidates.
I think the second one, obviously, is better for Lamont, but neither one very good for JoMo.
Have there been no polls conducted since the defection and the debate?
Blank Kludge at 62 — he obviously won’t have access to state party dollars if he loses the primary (though how much he can suck out of it before then is unknown.) The tradeoff is that his running as an indie is likely to bring out more Republican voters hoping to play spoiler than the no-chance Republican nominee would produce, and that extra turnout would work against the congressional candidates. However, a more exciting race would produce better Democratic turnout, too. It remains to be seen which will be stronger.
If Joe loses the primary, you know he’s going to be even more pouty and whiny… unattractive in anyone’s book.
Slogan (hope it fits on a 10×10 sign on my lawn):
The Presidents last apology was for bullying a blind reporter…
The VP’s last apology was for shooting a man in the face…
Had Enough?
How about updating a Mark Twain story about a blacksmith in medieval England? Also a movie with Bing Crosby.
A Connecticut Wankee in King George’s Court.
“Have there been no polls conducted since the defection and the debate?”
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Damned good question. TwilightZonish info blackout. Why?
Isn’t Gallup doing somehting? Or PEW? Or anyone besides the ones we don’t get access to anyway? Given the Nat’l attention this race is acquiring, you’d think there’d be tracking.
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The morphing ad is professional work. IMHO, extremely effective, too.
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I’ve said it before, but I really like when Ned closes ads w/”I approve.” the “…AND WE DO TOO!” is great.
OT - CNNs Starr on new guidelines for Gitmo:
not much will change but it will close any loophole human rights activists may use
Lieberman Unwelcome At Home?
By Froma Harrop
Published on 7/7/2006 in Editorial » Editorial Columns
Joe Lieberman may need more than another political party. He may need another state, as well.
The senator has clearly worn out his welcome among many back home in Connecticut — so much so that businessman Ned Lamont could very well beat him in the state Democratic primary. Lieberman now says that if he loses the Aug. 8 vote, he will run in November as an independent. The received wisdom is that Lieberman would win the general election by picking up Republican and independent voters. They seem to like him more than Democrats do. Everyone is dismissing Republican candidate Alan Schlesinger.
The received wisdom is often wrong. Polls showing Lieberman with a commanding lead in the general election were taken at a time when his opponent was called “Ned Lamont who?” The gap continually narrows as voters learn that Lamont is a serious alternative.
The contest has been framed as a vote on the Bush administration’s conduct of the Iraq war, which Lieberman has slavishly defended — more than some of his Republican colleagues, notably Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel. And while the war is highly unpopular in Connecticut, that’s not Lieberman’s only rift with his electorate. On social issues, Lieberman plays to a Bible Belt audience, which his voters are not. That would include many of the state’s generally moderate Republicans.
(snip)
Likewise, many Connecticut Republicans are old-fashioned internationalists, who fret over America’s damaged standing in the world. Lamont fondly talks of the lost world of Sen. Arthur Vandenberg, the Michigan Republican who helped create the United Nations.
No, Lieberman doesn’t have a lock on the Republican and independent voters of Connecticut. An election, after all, boils down to making a choice. The more people see that they have a reasonable alternative in Lamont — that there’s someone they can vote for, not just against — the worse it will be for Lieberman.
[CHS notes: for copyright reasons, we don’t reproduce entire columns in the comments section. Do you have a link for this, if so, I’d love to link it up. Thanks!] [UPDATE: Article link here. Registration required.]
I think what a hypothetical elected as an Independent Senator JoMo does depends on what happens in the Senate overall. If the Repubs retain the majority, I’m sure he will give a tearfull speech about the Democrat [sic] party having moved away from him, and vote with them. He won’t actually switch parties, I’d bet, to keep himself attractive to St McCain as a national unity veep.
In that same scenario of the Repubs maintaining a majority, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if my own dear Senator Salazar jumped the fence.
Blank Kludge-I thought it was funny Tweety didn’t know it was professional. Doesn’t he get a staff to research such things?
“fair usage” - snippets and links are generally preferable to full copy/paste.
Sheesh, I have to tell ya, I need to give Lamont some major credit here. If I were running against Angry Joe-mentum, and this was the BS I had to deal with, I’d push back hard so everyone knew just how much of a liar he is.
But, like I said, Ned needs to get lots of credit - he’s sticking to the nice-guy image even when Joe blatantly lies and tries to distort it. It’s actually worse than when the DNC went after Dean for being a “whacko liberal” even though he was moderate.
RWCole 58
On a previous thread, I posted an ad that I think would appeal to the great middle and independents in Connecticut.
Ned’s staff would come up with better examples than mine, of course, but I think the idea that Connecticut doesn’t have to settle for a Senator who’s with them only half the time.
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For those of you who think Joe Lieberman has been pretty good on many issues that matter to Connecticut, I want to tell you that you don’t have to settle for a Senator who only supports part of what Connecticut folks care about.
You can have a Senator who’s strong on the environment, strong on building jobs in CT, strong on Congressional oversight, strong on education AND who’s Right on the War and on access to health care for all our people.
Connecticut, you don’t have to settle for half-measures.
With Ned Lamont, you can have a Senator who supports ALL the issues that people in Connecticut care about.
Ned Lamont: He’s on YOUR side - - all the time.
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Sid Barret died.
Sorry to be OT, but I’m sad, I love Pink Floyd.
Thanks, see you later.
Froma Harrop seems to have a much more intelligent sense of Connecticut than Tweety and his ridiculous opinion of Ned Lamont’s commercial.
I hope these conservative pundits will eat a huge dose of crow in November, then get fired.
Ryan –
Ned Lamont’s nice guy image in the face of Joe Lieberman’s vicious attacks shows just how savvy a politician Ned is.
The Joe morphing into Dubya is a tough as nails spot, but has the benefit of being true. Toughness is a good thing, as long as it’s honest.
Ned Lamont is the real deal — honest, caring, and tough. We couldn’t ask for a better standard bearer, and the People of Connecticut couldn’t ask for a better Senator.
OT again - AP - NYC increasing rail system security due to train bombings in India
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zen…me too.
Cheer up, go listen to Shine On You Crazy Diamond. It’ll make you feel better.
Joe Lieberman is a poster-boy for what is wrong with the Democratic party.
R.I.P. Sid.
Ditto ,Pink Floyd RULES.
Re 85: It’s election season - time to ramp up the terror alerts.
Rather than being a sign of Lieberman’s dishonesty, this ad may just be a sign of his tin ear. I haven’t seen the ad, but it looks like he’s just trying to parody the Lamont campaign. That would work if they had good writers for their advertising. Remember, though, that these are the guys who think that the bear ads were cool. To say they’re a bit out of touch is an understatement.
Has Joe and/or campaign fielded a question on this blatant falsehood? If so, what was the reaction?
Just askin’…
punaise - sorry i got carried away
Pete — if you have a link to the article, I’ll link it up above. :)
“I don’t think anything can be taken for granted. . . .we have to be clear eyed and roll up our sleeves.”. . .
I am trying to be as hard headed and realitic about this as possible. . tryig to remember that the unions have alot of power in CT. state politics and they are backing Joe. . .plus alot of retired and elderly (mostly Jewish) voters are single issue about Israel. Don’t want to be too negative cuz I’m volunteering for Ned and fervently hope he wins. . .
I just never want to feel again what I felt the morning after Kerry lost.
rat bastahd 89 …and invent foiled terra plots
christy - here is the link. it requires a registration which is only e-mail address.
http://www.theday.com/re.aspx?.....6bd97cc360
pete 91 - no proble; I was going to thank you for that editorial. AFAIK, it’s good protocol to snip ‘n link.
CHS: asinine is the correct spelling of this word. (Okay, I’m a nerd.)
Blank..where are you in Maine? MaryJane, Susan and I are talking about a “lakeside” breakfast in either the Ellsworth or Belfast area. Interested?
Other pups in Maine or elsewhere are welcome..
Joe just keeps making things worse for himself. And I don’t think he’s capable of stopping his tailspin, because it would require a depth of character he doesn’t possess. We’ll just keep seeing more of the same as Joe digs his own grave, and whines himself into it.
Slightly OT, but saw on the last thread that Tester is ahead of Burns, and that is another huge race for us! Have been at my cabin in the woods (in OR) and the owners next door are from Missoula.
When I told them about their state being an important incubator of how to turn a red state blue they seemed a bit surprised. “Missoula is blue, but there are a lot of nuts all over our state.” I told them about Crashing the Gates and how Schweitzer ran his campaign and about taking both houses back. That we have plenty of “nuts” in OR too, but it’s about winning the majority period, and then holding it.
They believe Tester is going to beat Burns though they worry about Burns’ deep pockets.
Leslie in CA 98 - spot on
OT: Saw an AP story about Hillary Clinton speaking in Ohio today. Among other things, she supported the minimum wage being raised, and told her audience that she didn’t think it was right that the current Secretary of State (for Ohio) Kenneth Blackwell would hold that office while running for governor:
Speaking of tin ears (someone was a moment ago)! Quick show of hands here, in how many states is the Secretary of State’s office a sure path to the governor’s mansion? Thought so. In our state, that’s almost as yawn-inducing a statewide office as auditor general.
rwcole @ 54,
I am not clear on how this nightmare scenario would necessarily be worse than what happens if Joe is unopposed in the primary and is re-elected easily? The message this would send to all the other middling Democrats, and the pundits and media, is that a win for Joe is a validation of his votes and his methods, even though he is doing a poor job of representing the values of his constituents. This is truly nightmarish.
As it is the Democratic leadership in the Senate has often needed Joe’s vote, and it hasn’t been there, so if Joe wins more of the same. At the very least, if Joe wins as an independent his ability to sabotage the Democratic party by being the token (D) on the talk shows.
also re Highground: They renewed that domain in 2005. Wonder if someone actually retained them.
Here’s a link to that AP story about Sen. Clinton in Ohio. This is the first one I could find that didn’t require registration:
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2.....on,00.html
JoMo is Tweety’s ideal politician, ie he’s just like Tweety: Calls himself a Democrat, hates Democrats, doesn’t like Clinton, doesn’t like Gore, loves Bill Bennett (prolly Peggy Noonan, too) and George Bush. Tweety ain’t gonna let a little thing like the Iraq War interrupt his fascinated mirror-gazing.
Clinton / Ohioarticle Cincinnati Enquirer via Raw Story:
Sid Barret died? Awwww, what a drag.
His discovery was quickly picked up by other liberal bloggers who expressed outrage at Lieberman’s use of a false image — even though many of them have embraced images “doctored” to highlight their claim that Lieberman is too close to President Bush.
Yeah, I was really supporting Lamont until I discovered that Lieberman doesn’t have big floppy ears, a wet triangle nose and a tail he wags while sitting in Bush’s lap… like I saw on FireDogLike. It was all a lie!!!
This writer has to see the difference between an independent blog having fun and an official campaign ad. This is just another example of the traditional media looking for a way to balance things where no balance actually exists. That’s the worst flaw in the traditional media in my opinion.
rwcole at 49 said
The most interesting scenario is Joe going back to the congress as an indie–don’t know what the odds are of that happening- but it’s something dems need to be doing contingency planning for.
IMO that explains the dance that senate dems, including Schumer, Boxer, and Biden, have been doing. It explains the seemingly inexplicable.
New thread gang…
lots of new polling data over at DKos:
Maybe Biden saw the “bumper sticker” ad and thought HE was unwelcome in Connecticut. Remember, it’s all about ME in joebidenworld!
That would make him miss his train, wouldn’t it?
Teddy 112, what if Holy Joe promised Plagio-Joe an endorsement for his 2008 presidential run in exchange for a 2006 CT Senate race endorsement, and suddenly Biden realized all he was getting out of the deal was some poison? Teehee.
Can you say Lee Atwater and Willie Horton? Arthur Finklestein and Too Liberal? Karl Rove and Terrorist Moms?? Get ready — here comes the worst of the worst. And the only way to fight it — is with full frontal assault, re-assault and repeat until the last minute of voting. These guys are the absolute bottom feeders of the democratic process. Get Ned a
good cornerman NOW!!!