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		<title>By: BarbaraB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/11/cantcatchmybreathmwahahaha/#comment-184438</link>
		<dc:creator>BarbaraB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mary 117 — If you’re still on this thread — yes, it is.  Very sad. Any top government lawyer who did not resign in protest over the Addington/Yoo putsch is hopelessly compromised now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary 117 — If you’re still on this thread — yes, it is.  Very sad. Any top government lawyer who did not resign in protest over the Addington/Yoo putsch is hopelessly compromised now.</p>
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		<title>By: SpaceCowboy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/11/cantcatchmybreathmwahahaha/#comment-184436</link>
		<dc:creator>SpaceCowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;bdu #19: RIP Syd Barrett&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;:(
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&lt;p&gt;This is a sad day indeed. It’s such a shame that he was never able to recover from that initial descent.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>This is a sad day indeed. It’s such a shame that he was never able to recover from that initial descent.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/11/cantcatchmybreathmwahahaha/#comment-184421</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yo, *ilson46201 at 57″&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;about those black clad stage hands ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;why do they wear black when the background around here is white ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;did we contract out to halliburton for those ill-informed stage hands ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;who hired these clowns ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and why do they think they can kick me ou&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yo, *ilson46201 at 57″</p>
<p>about those black clad stage hands ???</p>
<p>why do they wear black when the background around here is white ???</p>
<p>did we contract out to halliburton for those ill-informed stage hands ???</p>
<p>who hired these clowns ???</p>
<p>and why do they think they can kick me ou</p>
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		<title>By: Mommybrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mommybrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;REvDEb and Cujo359 -&lt;br /&gt;
“In essence, we bought into the religious authoritarianism of the right, inferring that moral authority proceeds only from religion. In this, we have sold ourselves short.”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aha, a new (to me)meme:  fundamentalist, authoritarian religions are for people who find themselves unable to be moral beings without the stick thumping along behind them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REvDEb and Cujo359 -<br />
“In essence, we bought into the religious authoritarianism of the right, inferring that moral authority proceeds only from religion. In this, we have sold ourselves short.”  </p>
<p>Aha, a new (to me)meme:  fundamentalist, authoritarian religions are for people who find themselves unable to be moral beings without the stick thumping along behind them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/11/cantcatchmybreathmwahahaha/#comment-184409</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BarbB - the Lederman link you have, &lt;a href=&quot;http://balkin.blogspot.com/2006/07/newsflash-pentagon-agrees-to-abide-by.html&quot;&gt;http://balkin.blogspot.com/200.....de-by.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;also takes people to the letter from Comey, Philbin, Thompson, Goldsmith all rapturously enthusing over Haynes as a 4th Circuit judge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How freaking sad that it’s all the DOJ crew that is so in favor of violating laws, treaties and moral boundaries while the only pushback comes from the military.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BarbB &#8211; the Lederman link you have, <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2006/07/newsflash-pentagon-agrees-to-abide-by.html">http://balkin.blogspot.com/200&#8230;..de-by.html</a></p>
<p>also takes people to the letter from Comey, Philbin, Thompson, Goldsmith all rapturously enthusing over Haynes as a 4th Circuit judge.</p>
<p>How freaking sad that it’s all the DOJ crew that is so in favor of violating laws, treaties and moral boundaries while the only pushback comes from the military.</p>
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		<title>By: RevDeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevDeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Over the last 20 years, I have witnessed attempts by well-meaning liberal clerics to construct various bodies and alliances in the hopes of creating a parallel movement to that of the religious right. Organizations have come together and drifted apart, leaving a trail of frustration in their wake. The fervent hope for the creation of a vigorous, cohesive religious left has amounted to a vigil for Godot — the one who never arrives. And now I am grateful he never did.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve witnessed the same thing. It goes in cycles. “Big” names like Jim Wallis and Michael Lerner put gatherings together. We come, we find inspirational speakers, there is no after planning, we go home. Rinse and repeat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Part of the problem is those leaders. Lerner can’t get out of his own way, it’s all about him. Unfortunate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway I think  it’s about sheep vs. cats. You can guess who the liberals are, it’s damned hard to herd them. Rather than concentrate on mobilizing the cats, we need to get more involved with communities like this and the Roots Project. IMHO.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Over the last 20 years, I have witnessed attempts by well-meaning liberal clerics to construct various bodies and alliances in the hopes of creating a parallel movement to that of the religious right. Organizations have come together and drifted apart, leaving a trail of frustration in their wake. The fervent hope for the creation of a vigorous, cohesive religious left has amounted to a vigil for Godot — the one who never arrives. And now I am grateful he never did.</p>
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<p>I’ve witnessed the same thing. It goes in cycles. “Big” names like Jim Wallis and Michael Lerner put gatherings together. We come, we find inspirational speakers, there is no after planning, we go home. Rinse and repeat.</p>
<p>Part of the problem is those leaders. Lerner can’t get out of his own way, it’s all about him. Unfortunate.</p>
<p>Anyway I think  it’s about sheep vs. cats. You can guess who the liberals are, it’s damned hard to herd them. Rather than concentrate on mobilizing the cats, we need to get more involved with communities like this and the Roots Project. IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo359</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cujo359</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Leslie in CA @ 12:38 pm (#107) - Wow, do I feel brilliant today! Believe me, that’s sarcasm.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read your description and figured “gays and lesbians”. Sure enough, that’s what it is. They’re willing to break up their church rather than let more people participate in it fully.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Near the bottom, the author expressed her opinion on the “we need to be as holy as the right” argument:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 I must confess to finding a measure of liberation in letting go of the hope for a forceful new religious left. Over the last 20 years, I have witnessed attempts by well-meaning liberal clerics to construct various bodies and alliances in the hopes of creating a parallel movement to that of the religious right. Organizations have come together and drifted apart, leaving a trail of frustration in their wake. The fervent hope for the creation of a vigorous, cohesive religious left has amounted to a vigil for Godot — the one who never arrives. And now I am grateful he never did.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In seeking to create a counterpart to the religious right, we tried to force our values through a narrow hole. In essence, we bought into the religious authoritarianism of the right, inferring that moral authority proceeds only from religion. In this, we have sold ourselves short.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Take that, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/&quot;&gt;Senator Obama&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s also interesting that this ties in with that John Dean interview we were discussing earlier. Liberals and others on the left aren’t given to blindly following. That’s another reason why trying to ape the right’s use of religion isn’t going to work. We aren’t those people, and we shouldn’t be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie in CA @ 12:38 pm (#107) &#8211; Wow, do I feel brilliant today! Believe me, that’s sarcasm.</p>
<p>I read your description and figured “gays and lesbians”. Sure enough, that’s what it is. They’re willing to break up their church rather than let more people participate in it fully.</p>
<p>Near the bottom, the author expressed her opinion on the “we need to be as holy as the right” argument:
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 I must confess to finding a measure of liberation in letting go of the hope for a forceful new religious left. Over the last 20 years, I have witnessed attempts by well-meaning liberal clerics to construct various bodies and alliances in the hopes of creating a parallel movement to that of the religious right. Organizations have come together and drifted apart, leaving a trail of frustration in their wake. The fervent hope for the creation of a vigorous, cohesive religious left has amounted to a vigil for Godot — the one who never arrives. And now I am grateful he never did.</p></blockquote>
<p>In seeking to create a counterpart to the religious right, we tried to force our values through a narrow hole. In essence, we bought into the religious authoritarianism of the right, inferring that moral authority proceeds only from religion. In this, we have sold ourselves short.</p>
<p>Take that, <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/">Senator Obama</a>.</p>
<p>It’s also interesting that this ties in with that John Dean interview we were discussing earlier. Liberals and others on the left aren’t given to blindly following. That’s another reason why trying to ape the right’s use of religion isn’t going to work. We aren’t those people, and we shouldn’t be.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/11/cantcatchmybreathmwahahaha/#comment-184389</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do the poll numbers include the N Korean episode?  I think people don’t want to go negative on leader during a crisis. fwiw. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KagroX had this diary up at Kos (maybe at nexthurrah too?) &lt;a href=&quot;http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/11/141524/163&quot;&gt;http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/11/141524/163&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;linking to this LA Times story &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/fmhv4&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/fmhv4&lt;/a&gt; about the hearing in front of judge Diggs yesterday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Coppolino, quickly reassembling the phalanx post-Hamdan says, “violation of Constitution, statute, oath of office&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; - it’s all good -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the President has these powers see, like Green Lantern, no, wait, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;more like, Silver Surfer - not like, ya know, Wolverine, bc the yellow spandex sagged in places, but like one of those other dudes, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and so, he’s like got that, from this freaky lab accident thing, this chick named Watertiger has the pic, - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and THEN he got these other powers, like when he went switched to DC, where, all these dudes and a few dudettes in yellow ties (at least the dudes) got together and did this invocation thing and called forth the powers of the great War God Mars&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and then we had a little problem where the President wanted to spend sixty gajillion dollars on a NASA project bc he thought he had become a Martian and now had to go back - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but we redirected the money to NSA and convinced him he only needs to phone home and  so then we got this super cool stuff and it has to be a secret&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and if I were Shirley Temple this is where I’d do a very cute curtsey and say “all done”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WHEW!  What’s that?  Hamdan?  I’m not familiar with him, your Honor. What’s his superpower? No wait, don’t tell me if its secret.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A legal precedent?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Doesn’t it help the enemy when we talk about things like law, your Honor?  Secret Powers is way cooler and no one knows when you’re just making stuff up.  Like, he can too outrun a speeding train, he just doesn’t want to right now. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where was I? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My head aches.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But KagroX has nailed it all here:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;And while I have little doubt that Judge Taylor will take Hamdan’s legal reasoning in the correct perspective, the issue here was never whether the courts would see the “inherent authority” and AUMF arguments differently, &lt;b&gt;but whether the Bush  “administration” would&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’ve got that answer.  Military is fighting to reclaim honor on this one; DOJ is fighting to see who can get the next job at Boeing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the poll numbers include the N Korean episode?  I think people don’t want to go negative on leader during a crisis. fwiw. </p>
<p>KagroX had this diary up at Kos (maybe at nexthurrah too?) <a href="http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/11/141524/163">http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/11/141524/163</a></p>
<p>linking to this LA Times story <a href="http://tinyurl.com/fmhv4">http://tinyurl.com/fmhv4</a> about the hearing in front of judge Diggs yesterday.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
Coppolino, quickly reassembling the phalanx post-Hamdan says, “violation of Constitution, statute, oath of office</p>
<p> &#8211; it’s all good -</p>
<p>the President has these powers see, like Green Lantern, no, wait, </p>
<p>more like, Silver Surfer &#8211; not like, ya know, Wolverine, bc the yellow spandex sagged in places, but like one of those other dudes, </p>
<p>and so, he’s like got that, from this freaky lab accident thing, this chick named Watertiger has the pic, &#8211; </p>
<p>and THEN he got these other powers, like when he went switched to DC, where, all these dudes and a few dudettes in yellow ties (at least the dudes) got together and did this invocation thing and called forth the powers of the great War God Mars</p>
<p>and then we had a little problem where the President wanted to spend sixty gajillion dollars on a NASA project bc he thought he had become a Martian and now had to go back &#8211; </p>
<p>but we redirected the money to NSA and convinced him he only needs to phone home and  so then we got this super cool stuff and it has to be a secret</p>
<p>and if I were Shirley Temple this is where I’d do a very cute curtsey and say “all done”  </p>
<p>WHEW!  What’s that?  Hamdan?  I’m not familiar with him, your Honor. What’s his superpower? No wait, don’t tell me if its secret.</p>
<p>A legal precedent?</p>
<p>Doesn’t it help the enemy when we talk about things like law, your Honor?  Secret Powers is way cooler and no one knows when you’re just making stuff up.  Like, he can too outrun a speeding train, he just doesn’t want to right now. </p>
<p>Where was I? </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>My head aches.</p>
<p>But KagroX has nailed it all here:</p>
<p><i>And while I have little doubt that Judge Taylor will take Hamdan’s legal reasoning in the correct perspective, the issue here was never whether the courts would see the “inherent authority” and AUMF arguments differently, <b>but whether the Bush  “administration” would</b>.</i></p>
<p>We’ve got that answer.  Military is fighting to reclaim honor on this one; DOJ is fighting to see who can get the next job at Boeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dover Bitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dover Bitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;punaise, since it’s &lt;b&gt;MS&lt;/b&gt;NBC, I don’t think they’re too big on java script.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, in the theme of “Bush of Ghosts” and remixing, check &lt;a href=&quot;http://bush-of-ghosts.com/remix/bush_of_ghosts.htm&quot;&gt;this out&lt;/a&gt;, punaise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Listen to “Bush of George” (the top ranked file). I also liked “A Life Less Secret” but to play that, you have to go through a lot now. You have to click Listen up top, search for it and then click the little red dot that appears on the map to play it (crazy).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>punaise, since it’s <b>MS</b>NBC, I don’t think they’re too big on java script.</p>
<p>Also, in the theme of “Bush of Ghosts” and remixing, check <a href="http://bush-of-ghosts.com/remix/bush_of_ghosts.htm">this out</a>, punaise.</p>
<p>Listen to “Bush of George” (the top ranked file). I also liked “A Life Less Secret” but to play that, you have to go through a lot now. You have to click Listen up top, search for it and then click the little red dot that appears on the map to play it (crazy).</p>
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		<title>By: darkblack</title>
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		<dc:creator>darkblack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All I have to offer on this topic is my ‘collaboration’ with &lt;i&gt;Trading Spouses&lt;/i&gt; own   Marguerite Perrin:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/ht4sb&quot;&gt;‘Darksidered’ Tri-oval megamix&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have to offer on this topic is my ‘collaboration’ with <i>Trading Spouses</i> own   Marguerite Perrin:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ht4sb">‘Darksidered’ Tri-oval megamix</a></p>
<p>;&gt;)</p>
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