
Taylor Marsh has a fantastic piece today on the right wing attempts to smear Jack Murtha. It is a must read — and I mean that in the strongest possible terms. Taylor did a previous piece for us on the Murtha smear, and she has done some fabulous digging on this story and come up with a LOT of information on the right wing smear machine in action. Valuable stuff — and something that needs a lot more exposure, or they are just going to keep using the same old plays.
Taylor has detailed every play in this nasty game by the wingnut wurlitzer, and turned over some nasty, infested rocks in the process.
Once called one of the most hawkish members of Congress, Rep. John Murtha is now being presented as some anti war coward. His remarks about Haditha have unleashed just the latest salvo in the swiftboating strategy invented by conservatives, which they are now being forced to defend and explain.
Prior to 2005, The Cybercast News Service (CNS), purveyor of all things conservative and run by L. Brent Bozell III, had only one article about Rep. John Murtha. The headline was laudatory: Congressional Bill Would Establish Memorial for Victims of 9/11 (March 8, 2002). But on November 18, 2005, Bozell’s team shot into action and hasn’t stopped attacking Rep. Murtha since.
What happened to release the cascade of conservative vitriol now directed at Democratic Congressman and respected war veteran Jack Murtha?
”You can’t fire the president unless you’re in California,” Mr. Murtha said. ”But somebody recommended this policy to him, and he took the recommendation. Somebody has to be held responsible, and he’s got to make the decision who it was.” … Mr. Murtha is regarded by both parties as a respected voice on military matters. Citing poor supplies and support for the troops, he said he favored quick approval of the $87 billion Mr. Bush requested for Iraq but said the leaders needed to be replaced. He did not specify which. …
THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ: CONGRESS; Democratic Hawk Urges Firing of Bush Aides (Times Select, September 17, 2003)
In September 2003, Iraq Toll Hits a Nerve With Murtha obviously resounded across red and blue states, as well as north and south boundaries. However, with John Murtha considered a hawk by anyone’s standards, the conservatives had to change his legendary biography, but how?
Those who have read FDL for a while know that we’ve been trying to follow this story as it has unfolded. Jane did a fantastic series on the smear as it rolled out last year (See "This is How It’s Done" here, here, here and here), that is still instructive as a "how they do it" deconstruction for anyone combatting a right-wing smear campaign.
Murtha was honored earlier this year as a Profile in Courage award recipient by the Kennedy family, and the speech given in his honor is worth revisiting:
John Murtha is a vivid example of the words of President Kennedy in “Profiles in Courage,” “A man does what he must – in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures – and that is the basis of all human morality.”
His family has a long tradition of military service. One of his mother’s ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War. Another served in the Union Army in the Civil War and actually guarded the Capitol Building where John Murtha serves today. The widow of that Union soldier lived to be 96, and John remembers her telling him as a child, “One person can make a difference.”
The attempt to smear Jack Murtha is reprehensible — but no more so than all of the other attempted smears of the past few years under the tutelage of Lee Atwater and his malignant acolyte, Karl Rove, and all their dirty political one trick cronies.
Speaking of political dirty tricks, enter Rep. Duncan Hunter. Taylor did a piece about Hunter for us not to long ago, on his role in this mess. But in her article today, she fleshes out much more detail and background — and it is ugly.
That fight began on November 17, 2005, the day Murtha presented his plan for redeployment from Iraq, which called for a "change in direction." After trying for years to get President Bush, Secretary Rumsfeld and the administration to change course, through letters and public pleas, the 37-year Marine veteran realized it wasn’t going to happen. To say Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, didn’t take Murtha’s challenge lightly is an understatement.
Murtha’s resolution included language the Republicans wanted to avoid, such as "the American people have not been shown clear, measurable progress" toward stability in Iraq. It also said troops should be withdrawn "at the earliest practicable date," although Murtha said in statements and interviews Thursday that the drawdown should begin now.
Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) drafted a simpler resolution calling for an immediate withdrawal of troops, saying it was a fair interpretation of Murtha’s intent. Members were heatedly debating a procedural rule concerning the Hunter resolution when Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-Ohio) was recognized at 5:20 p.m. Schmidt won a special election in August, defeating Iraq war veteran Paul Hackett, and is so new to Congress that some colleagues do not know her name.
(snip)
It was past 10 p.m. when Murtha addressed a relatively subdued House. Hunter’s resolution "is not what I envisioned" because it avoids a broader debate of the war, which "is not going as advertised," Murtha said. "The American people are way ahead of us" in wanting a strategy to bring the troops home, he added. "It’s easy to sit in your air-conditioned offices and send them into battle."
(snip)
Top Democrats attacked the GOP tactic. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said the Republicans "engaged in an act of deception that undermines any shred of dignity that might be left in this Republican Congress." She called Hunter’s resolution "a political stunt" and "a disservice to our country and to our men and women in uniform."
House Rejects Iraq Pullout After GOP Forces a Vote
Democrats Enraged By Personal AttackThis was the day Rep. Jean Schmidt basically called Murtha a coward, and then was made to apologize for her remarks because she didn’t have the evidence to back it up.
One of the oddest headlines of November 18th, however, was when NPR ran Long-time War Hawk, Murtha Is An Angry Dove. After decades of being a military hawk, because Murtha couldn’t get a response from President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld, after years of trying, Rep. John Murtha was now not just angry, but an "Angry Dove."
Murtha’s "dark night of the soul" had reached a moment where he had to speak out. George W. Bush pitted against the 37-year Marine veteran was no contest and the Republicans knew it. Murtha had become a "one man tipping point" for President Bush. The "war room" was back.
It is time to draw a line in the sand and say no more. Read Taylor’s piece, and see if you don’t agree with me.
And bravo to Taylor for putting all of this together in one place — what an amazing accomplishment, a huge piece of work, and a service to the rest of us who spend our days tracking this entire nasty mess of malignancy. Well done. I just can’t say that enough.
(The next time some ignoramus says that bloggers only sit around and give opinions in their jammies, I’m going to force them to sit down and read this fantastic piece of investigative reporting.)
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MURTHA!
What they are doing to Murtha should be a crime. Thanks Taylor for the hard work and writing.
Murtha-Roots!
OT: Cut’n Run Joe is organizing a new party for his anti-Democrat run: “Connecticut for Lieberman” —- I kid you not! He filed the papers…
maybe now Nader will come in and endorse Cut’n Run Joe …
Also OT, but there’s an article on yahoo news titled “Save Patrick Fitzgerald.”
It points out that Gonzales need not reappoint Fitz as US Attorney. The article is mostly concerned with how the state of Illinois (and city of Chicago) politicos really really don’t like Fitzgerald disrupting all their corruption.
How convenient it would be if Fitz lost his position…
The radio show with Jane just reported that Lieberman has decided on a (self-centered) name for his new party:
The name that he has filed for with the state is “Connecticut For Lieberman”
Once again, it is all about Joe all the time.
Lieberman has shown his blatant narcissism by deciding to name his new party after himself.
Gross.
No one is going to want to pull the lever for a Joe Lieberman of the Party Of Lieberman. It is just too much damn Lieberman.
It reminds me of the scene in “Being John Malkovitch”, when Malkovich goes down the wormhole into his own mind, and all he sees and hears is “Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich…”
“Lieberman, Lieberman, Lieberman.”
Like I said, gross.
http://pagan.canalblog.com/images/Malkovich.jpg
I guess “Lieberman for Connecticut” would run afoul of the Truth in Advertising Act.
Thanks, Christy, I so appreciate this post and your kind words. I hope everyone will take the time to check it out.
Also, it just appeared over at Huffington Post, and already a wingnut has commented that there is no swiftboating of Murtha. Yeah, right.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..24751.html
“Lieberman for Lieberman”
Taylor at 9 — Your article is fantastic and I hope you get calls from corporate media folks on it. This smear crap needs to be exposed far and wide — because you know they have been running this play on third and down for YEARS. (Hello, John McCain? How is South Carolina for you?)
Christy – Wouldn’t that be great? It’s so important to expose it, you’re right. You hit where it started: John McCain. When he gave Bush a pass he signaled that it was okay. McCain looked the other way to keep his own political hopes alive. It’s wrong.
Great piece.
Does ANYONE other than Murtha have a plan of any kind?
Other than re-election plans for incumbents DRENCHED in lobbying monies (that have hit a new all time high per WSJ).
Taylor at 12 — really, I think it started with the first Bush campaign against Dukakis and those revolving door felon ads — remember that one? Nasty shit that Lee Attwater’s surrogates put out, and it’s been downhill ever since.
Please Mr. Murtha, please come to Connecticut and campaign to help Ned win. We promise you’ll be treated with respect and courtesy. Please, please, please do it, sir!
Christy – Oh, you’re right, the beginning of the smearing started with Attwater, but Rove took it to a whole new level when he decided to target military vets.
Loosehead:
Is it puppies yet?
Christy, I appreciate your directing us to Taylor’s wonderful piece and agree about drawing a line in the sand — I’m just short on the how to. What are your ideas.
BTW — from one old lady — this probably isn’t where it started either, but the first I remember was Helen Gahagan Douglas being smeared by Richard Nixon in CA — when he was running for the Senate.
As per my comment in the last thread, a link;
“Rove: Bush to veto DeGette bill”
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_4033656
I wonder if Rove will ever go for the deathbed confession/redemption?
The controversy escalated when Vice Presidential candidate Lloyd Bentsen and former Democratic candidate and civil rights leader Jesse Jackson called the ad racist. In 1991, terminally ill with cancer, Atwater apologized to Dukakis for saying that he would “make Willie Horton his running mate…because it makes me sound racist, which I am not.”
Well, if you want to be technical, the actually smearing started back during our Founders’ days. Cases of illegitimate children and everything else popped up. Attwater and Rove, Nixon, it’s all the same bunch. I’m not an expert on Republican smears, but the political smear goes back to the beginning of time.
But again, the difference since Bush came to power is that Rove took it to new heights going after military veterans. The closest they came before, I believe, was when Republicans went after Ike, but they still didn’t go to the lengths that conservatives under Bush have done today.
Mary says: “Other than re-election plans for incumbents DRENCHED in lobbying monies (that have hit a new all time high per WSJ).”
July 10th, 2006 at 2:50 pm
For more details, here is the link mentioned in the Wall Street Journal story to which you alluded:
http://www.politicalmoneyline……mp;Year=05
Dukakis, Ann Richards, John Kerry, Max Cleland, John McCain all slimed. Why in the world didn’t they see it coming?
taylor – great job piecing all that crap together. sure shoots holes in the liberal media bias also….
Trashing opponents began in Athens about 15 minutes after the invention of democracy..
A candidate can choose to run on the issues- trash his/her opponent- or both.
Most trash- here’s why:
If stake out positions on “the issues”, you create enemies.
For example- if you take a popular position on five issues, each of which is favored by 60% of the population- you are pissing off 40% of the population with each position- AND IT’S NOT THE SAME 40%! So by taking a position on five issues- you will likely piss off at least 80-90% of the voters.
Trashing your opponent, on the other hand, costs you NOTHING! So which road should our aspiring politician take? Easy- trash away.
Students of the 2000 campaign will notice that GW Clusterfuck took very few positions and those he did were ambiguous to the point that he stood for not much of anything except tax cuts. His trashing mechanism was in full gear however. It isn’t clear if he won, but his stratergy was classic and textbook.
Taylor, one of the other things that interests me about the history of the smear, if you will, is who did and who didn’t fight back, what are effective and successful “fight back” strategies, if any, that have been tried. And — again, how to effectively stop this kind of thing from working. There are those who will believe anything because they want to believe it. I’m not suggesting we try to find ways of being effective in changing those minds. Effective to me would mean that it did not derail a worthy candidate’s campaign, for example, or fog up the windowshield so that we couldn’t anymore see a true and worthy issue (George Junior’s service record,e.g.). So I would love to see a discussion of how to stop one of these swiftboatings or smears dead in its tracks.
Back to HoJo for a moment — sorry if this was in a previous thread — He took out his petitions today — his party name? Connecticut for Lieberman party.
Ye Gods! Does it ever end with this guy? When Lowell Weicker decided to run as an independent for governor (and won) he at least had the sense to call it “A Connecticut Party”
Kudos Taylor, and to Christy as well for shining the light on this Repug “truthiness”!
If only the Dems had shown some courage and let Murtha give the SOTU response instead of that new Governor of VA…Tim Whatshisname? His speech really left a lasting impression on the American public, didn’t it?
Taylor…you rock!
sing it, Taylor. you’re on the front lines of the push-back; thank you.
kirby – see my post on this topic upthread!
rudy @ 26 – Stopping them dead takes not letting the light of day pass on a response. Something you might find interesting is that Murtha doesn’t want this to become about him; he wants the focus on redeploying from Iraq. Vets are so selfless they don’t feel the need to defend themselves. But in order to stop them they must fight back. Murtha’s done that with the “back-side” line on MTP, which was classic.
RBG @ 29 – I’m with you on the SOTU response. I’m sure Gov. Kaine is a nice man, but what a wasted opportunity.
“Dukakis, Ann Richards, John Kerry, Max Cleland, John McCain all slimed. Why in the world didn’t they see it coming?”
I can’t blame them for not seeing the GOP slime before it hit. Most of us operate under the presumption that all decent Americans have certain shared values. Who could have predicted that the Right would stoop to trashing a quadruple amputee Vietnam Vet? (max Cleland)
Now we know better, however.
Joe McCarthy didn’t just go after vets, he went after the entire Army. Of course, that didn’t work out so well for him. But if you want to see the politics of personal destruction in action while Karl Rove was still in diapers, take a look sometime at what J. Edgar Hoover tried to do to Martin Luther King, Jr. One difference between then and now is that the reporters J. Edgar gave information to didn’t publish it — although they didn’t snitch on his attempt, either. Now, all J. Edgar would have to do is leak it to Faux, and if that didn’t work, one or two of the Wingnut Welfare Queens.
Thanks Christy and Taylor: an exhaustive and ennervating polemic.
The difference between Murtha and Kerry, of course, is that Murtha remains very popular with the the military at all ranks. I think this fact leads to a recommended tactic to counter the swiftboaters: ask active millitary officers and enlisted men and women–the ones who’s position of required loyalty to the Commander in Chief Murtha routinely and vigorously defends–to publicly thank Colonel Murtha (USMC ret.)for his longtime efforts on behalf of soldiers and veterans and his principled stand on our intervention in Iraq.
They don’t have to agree with Murtha; just praise him. I’d like to collect a few thousand testimonials from veteran’s he’s visited, retired and even active brass and plain GIs just saying he’s a patriot and not a “fragger” (do I need to change my handle to “fraggermarch” for this?)and that they appreciate his efforts on their behalf.
Just a thought.
Pass the ammunition and all that good stuff Norske says!
Little dog at 17
Nope. Just a lot of digging holes and building nests. Today is the 60th day though, so it ought to start anytime.
We are old hands at this. My husband breeds labs for show. So, delivering puppies is old hat at my house.
It took a while, but after reading through all the links (well documented is an understatement), Taylor has done an excellent job.
Thankfully, I had already read many of the links so I was able to Cliff Note them to jog my memory. But one thing is clear, the current republican leadership is a hollow, pathetic thing. That some Americans buy their tripe that they represent the american people is a very sad excuse for those very same american.
Thanks for the hard work. Go get a drink. You’ve earned some fun.
Heard an interesting interview while driving to Home Depot (as usual) this weekend.
The person being interviewed was from the Carter administration (state or defense- can’t remember which). He has a four point plan for peace in Iraq. He calls for negotiating a date for withdrawal with the Iraq govt, passing the hat among EU countries for aid, getting Iraq to work with it’s neighbors for defense assistance- and I can’t remember the last point.
He said he had discussed the plan with a member of the Clusterfuck administration and was told-”that’
s pretty much the plan we will follow- but we will call it “victory”.
If true, this means that GW Clusterfuck intends to negotiate the terms of US withdrawal from Iraq before he leaves office. Since he’s a borderline lame duck already- the negotiations will have to occur NOW.
Be prepared for an announcement- perhaps before the elections.
Maura of CT asks Lieberman THE QUESTION.
“My dad was a very loyal Democrat until he died. You mentioned how Irish American Democrats are great supporters because they’re not fair-weather friends, and I totally agree. So why are you being a fair-weather Democrat, saying you’ll only respect the results of the Democratic primary if you win?”
All of a sudden I found myself with a bunch of microphones in my face. Joe looked slightly stunned, and then started in on his usual talking points about how he wants even more Democrats to have a chance to vote for him in November and that not all Democrats know that they have to come out for a “hot day in August”.
I said, “Don’t you think Connecticut Democrats are smart enough to know on what day to vote?”
He said, “I hope so” and then started to wave me off.
I forget exactly what words I said after that (there is video and audio out there somewhere) but I said something like, “Look, if you win the Democratic primary, I’ll be supporting you and I wish you would agree to support the winner, too” and he said, “Well, let’s make sure I win in August, then!” and waved me away, after which I was mobbed by reporters asking how to spell my name.
OT
how we stop Lou Dobbs and his endless diatribe? And yes, I do know how to mute him. ;)
What a waste of primetime teevee time.
does anyone else find his “what in the world” irritating?
Kyl and McCain, both are an embarrassment.
There’s a better choice in Arizona. Jim Pederson is running against Kyl in November.
http://www.pederson2006.com
It’s all about Lieberman–YES
The more I think about it, the more it’s obvious. It’s all about Joe.
I think it started when he got the VP nomination. Even then you could see his head swelling perceptibly.
Then all of this stuff about being a Bush-lover, and “independent”, a member of the Gang of 14.
It’s all just a ploy to get LOTS of attention. Everyone kowtowing to you. Everyone trying to bargain with you and pleading with you. You are the center of attention. Being in Bushie’s back pocket makes you interesting and different!
And this race is bringing it even more to the forefront. He is so mad that he even has to run in this primary. He can’t believe there are people out there that doubt his “Democratic” credentials.
Well all the lights are on you now, Joe. The national media is watching you fight for your political a$$. How does it feel?
Loosehead 37
I figure 60 days for surgical implant and 63 for natural tie.
I do love the WhelpWise system, though. You know when labor is serious and you can tell when or if the puppies get in trouble in time for a C-section.
As I type, there are three 10-day-old piglets, er . . . Golden Retriever puppies, not 3 feet from my desk at work. :)
Actually the genesis of political smearing for me began in the Nixon administration during Vietnam with the likes of Spiro Agnew, then Attorney General John Mitchell, H.R. Haldeman, and Nixon-Agnew speech writing hacks William Safire and Pat Buchanan. Now that I think about it, Nixon was smearing way back in the day of Joseph McCarthy. Recall how Nixon went to town on Helen Gahagan Douglas in 1950, and defeated the three term liberal representative from California, in what her supporters called a “prototypical smear campaign”?
Can someone please explain to me why the Dems cannot unite behind Murtha as a platform on Iraq. Hell, does anyone else have a better idea?? What’s wrong with unity for a change? What’s wrong with righteous outrage and genuine concern for the troops?
Angie- I don’t watch Dobbs much- but he doesn’t annoy me. He reminds me of a good friend from grade school and high school (and still a good friend). My friend is overly practical, totally loyal and dependable, and conservative in the sense of being suspicious of new big ideas or of anything he can’t feel, touch, or smell. He doesn’t change his opinions often- nor his priorities.
Dobbs isn’t terribly bright, but he says what he believes (over and over and over). I don’t think he has a dishonest bone in his body- and he’s fair. I like him- although I seldom agree with him- and he IS boring.
If you want to see how Jim Webb’s campaign handled a Swift boat attempt by Allen’s campaign, take a look at this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/27/184033/792
They not only managed to point out that Allen and his campaign manager are chickenhawks, they even made fun of Allen’s cowboy boots. Now that’s the way to do it. TRex would approve.
Thanks, Taylor, for an outstanding piece of research and reporting. I’m also very glad to see the statement on your website that Congressman Murtha is going to see your report.
And OT, the search of Jefferson’s office has been found constitutional. TPMMuckraker excerpts from the judge’s decision (Paul Kiel’s emphasis):
Lieberman is a US senator- and he wants to continue to be one. He made some political mistakes- he will do whatever is in his power to remain in office. I blame him for the mistakes- but not for giving re-election his best shot. It’s how the game is played. I would do the same.
I just got a very nice Thankyew note from Larry Kissell for my donationg via Howie Klein’s site.
That’s nice – - and unexpected.
Dems also need to realize that things really haven’t changed since ‘04 except to get more extreme. The national security issue is the ONLY one the repukes have, and they’ll fight tooth and nail not to let it be taken away from them. That includes swiftboating Kerry, Clark, Murtha, and any other Dem that has the gall to claim some sort of knowhow on nat security matters.
Rove is smart, and he knows that the last election, this election, and many more to come will stand or fall on this issue alone. And do they love power? And how!! Believe me, lying is the nicest trick they have up their sleeve.
rwcole- my s.o. feels the same as you do; my over and over and over again thingy is busted, I guess.
my bud always says, at least he’s honest.
i guess i’ll just have to wait until we get progressives elected everywhere solving our huge problems before the CM can start reporting on solutions.
sigh.
What is doubly disgusting is that the trashing comes from GWBush, who is the antithesis of a heroic veteran.
Oscarsmom … 45
Gore-Murtha sounds about right to me. Or for that matter, the other way around. I would speculate that this country just might be ready for a pro-enviro/anti-war/anti-outsourcing platform. And the Democrats could own these issues very easily. I think.
LindaR, you nailed it.
It’s numbs the mind to think that Dems won’t unite behind Murtha while BushCo could end up doing what Murtha supports – only trashing him so no credit can be received.
Instead of wilting under the repitition of ‘cut and run’, I want to see Democrats attack R’s in Congress if they attempt to stall in addressing the result of the Hamdan decision. It’s a good opportunity to knock them off their cruise into midterms on God, guns, gays, and flag burning. Instead, it would not be nearly as rah rah for the base if republicans in Congress get cornered into blaming the Supreme Court and engaging in duck and run.
he only kills by proxy, LindaR… a monumental coward.
WXYZ — sorry for the hit and run — I just got home from actual income earning activity and heard it on the news. You got it 100% right.
And, at the risk of repeating again, but need to go eat –
Here’s the link to Jane’s interview with Colin
http://wtic.com/pages/13976.php?
I agree that swiftboating is a distinct form of smearing, and that the tradition of smearing is as old as politics itself but for my money Nixon’s Dirty Tricks Squad was the ‘27 Yankees of Smear. Who can forget the Canuck letter that helped push Ed Muskie out of the ‘72 race?
Lee Attwater and Karl Rove learned their swings from those guys.
little dog
Are you a vet?
the cowardly villain
can’t summon the moxie
willin’ to do the killin’
but then only by proxy
OT:
I hope nobody will mind that I have taken the liberty of creating a campaign button for Joe’s new ‘venture into the unknown’.
;>)
I’m still getting caught up, I’m a very slow reader when there are hyperlinks. This is a terrific narrative, Taylor. Like some of the other folks, I hope the corporate news agencies pick up on this and run with it. Is the Patriot Project trying to make connections to the press?
LindaR –
Bill Hillsman is doing Lamont’s ads — links downstairs.
Feingold’s adman (Eichenbaum?) is another good one . . .
LindaR, et al, you all might appreciate the picture at the top of where my piece is cross-posted:
http://www.taylormarsh.com/arc…..p?id=24234
ALSO, let me say, a BIG thanks to Patriot Project for letting me cross-post the piece at my blog.
Darkblack
Is that a chicken suit? and what is he holding??
reminds me of
“remember the chickens” ;-)
From last thread: drhackenbush asks,
“I have an idea of what liebs might be up to. Maybe he is playing possum in the primary, i.e he is saving his powder for the general, and hoping lamont will use up much of his resources in the primary.”
I double-dog-dare him! If we win this primary, it’s no-holds-barred . . . that’s when the big guns will come out, and the gloves will come off. So help me God! :P
darkblack @ 3:45 pm (#62) – Good button, although you’ll have to issue large ones to see the needle.
I think they should just name his new party the Joe Party. Simple, honest, and easy to remember.
Loosehead 60
Am I a vet?
Only in the sense that I probably paid for a wing of their new clinic. :)
I’m a longtime breeder, too. 27 years.
LOL darkblack 62!
Sorry, though I respect Murtha’s stand on Iraq and his magnificent integrity with all my heart and mind, I do NOT want him on the ‘08 ticket. He’s far to our right on practically everything else. We’ve yawed entirely too far in that direction since the Reagan years.
I. Have. Had. Enough.
My parents hated FDR for his smear campaign against Herbert Hoover.
Of course, Hoover deserved it — but the point being, Democrats used to know how to play that game too.
LBJ and Goldwater? Merciless.
Clinton on Dole? Flatter than roadkill.
The rest of ‘em? Remedial campaigning 101 . . .
Follow-up from last thread:
Did I say the person answering Ned Lamont’s telephone was professional? She’s already sent me the link to the company that made the messy desk ad.
You’re right, it’s Hillsman’s company.
so why do the rabid, slavering nuts on the right believe these cowards?
do we need a new language?
HoJo made a new party today.
I think Maura is my good friend from Stamford, but whoever she may be– excellent question!!!
agree with your 72, lotus!
Yii. CBS: Barbaro’s hind legs are both in trouble — laminitis in his left hind foot, trouble in his right pastern, running a fever for several days now.
And June Allyson just died at 88.
#54 Oklahoma kiddo
I don’t know. . .”Murtha-Gore” sounds like a scary monster! :)
How about, pro-enviro, SMART-war, etc. (Anti-war just won’t win this soon after 9-11)
Or, SMART enviro, SMART economy, SMART national security, etc.
I’m through with these brainless dolts running our country.
Lotus 72
What you said.
Just shows to go you how gutless so many of our elected Dems are that Murtha is out there at the end of the limb, almost by himself.
I so admire Murtha for the stance he’s taken on the war, er, occupation, but the facts are so obvious that it’s kind of like admiring somebody because they stop at red lights.
lotus @ 3:50 pm (#72) – My feelings, too. I’m grateful for Murtha’s honesty on this issue, but he doesn’t represent my views on most issues.
looseheadprop @ 66:
1) Yes. 2) A horse needle and a Delaware hen, but not between his knees…Yet.
;>)
I’m sad about Barbaro! :(
Angie 75–If Maura is your friend, major kudos!! Tell her she ROCKS from us!
“so why do the rabid, slavering nuts on the right believe these cowards?” I ask myself that question every day.
I have a new theory. There are just some people that believe that violence solves everything. They believe this so unquestioningly that they support the use of violence unthinkingly in EVERY case, no matter whether it’s well thought out or not, whether it’s relevant or not, or how much it costs us in other ways. And there’s just no arguing with them.
I think perhaps however that pointing this out to others who are not as unthinking may be profitable.
OT – Sorry to seem like a comment pimp, but if anyone missed Mary’s “Wheel of Fortune” post last thread, yer missin’ out.
Also, not sure if it’s been pointed out that Jeralyn (?) left a response to Ricardo Montalban’s post here.
:end slow readers PSA.
lotus @ 72 — yes, me too.
little dog @ 78 — re the red lighs. So true. sigh.
Still, I do admire Murtha for standing up for our troops and veterans. I am a long time anti-war liberal who is disgusted by what weenies the so-called pro-military pols are when it comes to taking care of our soldiers. But then, they think “pro military” means pro defense contractor.
tweety just said morass as more-ass. jiminy.
Hey LindaR,
I was just looking around your blog and saw this one.
I know the woman in the front in the first pic.
She is a fantastic person, they’re there every Weds.
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“Hillsman” the new Ned commercial looks very similar to my former Senator Paul Wellstone’s first commercial … wonder if it’s the same guy/co.?
Lordamussy, JWR, THANK YOU. I wouldna wanted to miss Mary’s Wheel of Fortune for anything!
Dizzy with pleasure here, scuse me, I gotta go lie down.
MARY!
LindaR 83
“But then, they think “pro military” means pro defense contractor.”
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!
john in sacramento @ 84. Yes, they are the same people with Wellstone. So you’re from Minnesota? No wonder you have such a great smile, ha!
Those people on the corner in Rocklin are wonderful. Politics in the best sense.
Ditto to all the comments about Taylor’s great job of research and reporting.
The one thing I might add that has the swifties frothing at the mouth is Murtha’s comments about the alleged massacre of 24 Iraqi civilians at Haditha by US troops.
My friend Carl, a decorated ex-Marine, and I are worlds apart on Murtha and he constantly sends me links that purportedly show Murtha as a liar and traitor — like this June 26, 2006 article from NewsMax:
http://newsmax.com/archives/ar…..3358.shtml
The article is crap, yet it provides more cannon fodder for the smearmongers, and it kills me that I’ve got friends who actually buy it.
lotus – Fan your little self. Have a sippa tea :-)
More OT via Kos – Patrick Leahy’s none too happy with Joe.
tony snow only knows “o’s” doncha know, Mary?
Tony buy a vowel now, showballs.
Lotus 75 — I had heard that Barbaro had gone back into surgery because of an infection, and thought “Uh-oh.” But if it’s laminitis, then very uh-oh. I may not be up there with Littledog — loved the line about having built a new wing at the local veterinary hospital — but I think I’ve put a whole bunch of equine vets’ children through college. Damn. If that colt doesn’t make it, Mary and I are both going into mourning.
BTW don’t call it a war
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Linda @ 87
Yea youbetcha ;)
alittlemusicalityplease at 88 — you mean, the incident at Haditha that is currently under investigation by the Marine corps? Gee, it’s awful that legal charghes might be filed against all those Marines by their own superior officers for committing crimes, isn’t it? Good lord…the kool-aid deluded will believe anything.
This latest from Maura in Stamford:
“WTNH in New Haven just aired a story on the event which was framed as, “Lieberman gets harrassed by people who claim they are not from the Lamont campaign.”
Mark Davis says that I claimed to be a Lieberman supporter, which is absolutely not true. I made it very clear that I was supporting Lamont in the primary but would support Lieberman if he won the primary.
A polite question to a sitting Senator from one constituent is now harrassment? I didn’t yell, I didn’t heckle, I didn’t carry a sign, and if his own crowd of supporters wasn’t so pathetically small, no one in the press would even have noticed what I said one-on-one with Lieberman. Sheesh.”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/10/182949/044
JWR at 81, thanks for the updates.
lotus, agreed on Murtha. I respect him tremendously, but that doesn’t mean he should be on the ticket.
LindaR, I hadn’t seen Ned’s new ad yet – love it, especially the coffee line at the end when you expect the “and so do we!”
OT: live blog fundraiser for Brian Keeler over at DKos
Christy Hardin Smith @ 4:12 pm (#94) – Before the charges were filed, they kvetched about how Murtha said there was a massacre before charges were filed. Now I expect they’re wringing their hands about the trial having not ended yet.
In either case, these people’s case is nonsense – saying a massacre occured doesn’t say a particular person caused it or was involved in it. There was a report that had been issued and Murtha was quoting it.
Can anyone here spell Zbyigniev Brezshenski? (I can’t)
He was on Weekeend Edition Saturday with the 4-point plan for getting out of the More-ass.
He was Carter’s NSA.
Loved Mary’s W o F post. Very witty. And accurate, too!
See, that’s what I come here for.
Oscarsmom 95
So Maura is a Lamont plant, eh?
Um, whatever happened to having access to your US Senator?
How radical.
Snarl.
Why do Republicans fight American soldiers?
zbig is big in my book as far as Iraq is concerned.
Zbigniew Brzezinski
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski
ccmask @ 4:18 pm (#102) – Why do Republicans fight American soldiers?
Is shooting someone in the back fighting him?
Better now, JWR. Had me a li’l sip o’ Scotch.
john in sac @ 92 — thanks. I just added that link to my blog.
Leslie in CA — my favorite is the wang-chung, ha.
Kyl and Pederson/immigration on News Hour (next, Copa Mundial, and finally a Rosenblatt essay).
Someone needs to tell Joe:
“Speaking as a Democrat, you have my vote if you win the primary. Why don’t you stand up and tell Ned Lamont that he has your vote if he wins the primary?”
ayldt #101 . . . and as she says, the event was held by the “Irish-American citizens of Stamford” (or some such) and she is an Irish-American living in Stamford. Go figure.
That’s ok. I think that sort of thing will come back to bite them in the a$$ :)
Great job, Taylor. Thorough. No wonder the first responder at your HuffPo post was the “intelligent troll” type, they dare not pull out the “ad hominem attack troll” for the job.
You will now be a target as well, though, Taylor — although I am sure you are up to it, it’s best to plan for it. FirePups, man the battlestations and get ready to return fire with your finest Daisy Cutters.
It’s also time to take a crowbar to that rift in the right-wing. If Bozell is bad-mouthing Murtha but Scaife is leaning towards Murtha, it’s time to go after Bozell. Second or third generation smear-er, too, if memory serves (will have to double-check Rick Perlstein’s Before the Storm, think Pappy Bozell is named in it as a GOP “operative”).
The other rift in the party is between the Heritage/Media Research/CNS gang and the Heritage-small government types (the ones who are members of the Liberty Coalition). Start cranking on a crowbar there, too.
You know in your gut, as much corruption as we’ve seen to date, there’s dirt here somewhere. Like Little Ralphie Reed…surely must have some ties to Bozell, oui?
Is it too late for Lieberman to withdraw his name from the primary and aim solely for the general election? I wouldn’t be surprised if he took this approach, given the way things are looking for him in the primary. He would be better served getting out now rather than get beat up and look like a loser coming out of the primary.
wxyz, isn’t that essentially what he did today? I can’t slide a playing card in there.
wxyz . . . HoJo will look like a Loserman no matter whether he bolts or outright loses!
Hee hee! :)
wxyz 109 said
Someone needs to tell Joe:
“Speaking as a Democrat, you have my vote if you win the primary. Why don’t you stand up and tell Ned Lamont that he has your vote if he wins the primary?”
Elegant!
J.D. Hayworth on NH now. He musta bought out the Butch Wax company for his own personal stash.
egregious says,#39
I’ve been working and just popped in and saw your post. My hat is off to you!POW! Right between the eyes!Awesome.Bloodied his nose and the press was all over it. Good for you.
…look like a loser coming out of the primary.
all of Joe’s actions over the past few weeks betray a loser in the making – a desperate one, at that. beware the cornered, wounded congresscritter.
:(
I had not heard anything about Barbaro until I saw the references here. None of the articles I have seen so far mention founder though – was the laminitis from the TVMSM?
………….
On a happier note, when I went for the Barbaro info I found this.
I’m pretty sure it’s left wing bloggers watching the Lamont-Lieberman race.
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2…..74040.jpg?
This trashing of Murtha fries my bacon! It’s awful that it happened at all, to Murtha, to Kerry, and yes to McCain (even if I don’t like him). It’s going to happen to all the vets running for office if they happen to be Democrats. I’m positive John Doolittle will have no qualms about going after Charlie Brown.
My question: When will swiftboating as a technique jump the shark?
re: my 4:16 pm (#97) There was a report that had been issued
Oops. Slight correction – reports hadn’t been issued by then. Murtha was basing his statements on briefings he’d received about the investigations.
Let me try it again
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2…..474040.jpg
Rudy,
Helen Gahagan Douglas came to my mind as well for one of the biggest “modern” day smears (by Nixon in 1950). She lost of course, but she got somewhat of a revenge in that she was the one who coined the nickname Tricky Dick, which will forever be connected to Nixon.
Yes, Joe is definitely already looking like a loser. But if he loses the primary, you are looking at a whole ‘nother level of loserdom heading into the general election.
Mary: yes, I saw it on the CBS Evening News — check their website.
Your WoF comment knocked me outta mah chair and made me run up and down the block. After which, I needed a rest. Neighbors gathering in concern . . .
the home stretch for Ned’s campaign:
The Wallop-a-Loser Tour
Two talking heads on Hardball just said they’re betting on Lieberman to win the primary. I didn’t catch their names.
omg– roger simon and mike allen think Loserbaby’s gonna win.
LindaR @ 4:34 pm (#119) My question: When will swiftboating as a technique jump the shark?
My guess is it’s going to be effective until enough people who would be inclined to believe these weenies wake up and realize that every veteran who opposes certain people is a traitor and has medals he doesn’t deserve. That might take a few more of these, sadly. Eventually, it will happen, though, just like back in the ’50s when they suddenly realized that there were an awful lot of communists running around all of a sudden.
Oh, and Tweety likes Katherine Harris.
Apologies for the OT, but someone at Eschaton just noted that the connecticutforlieberman .com, .org, and .net domains are all available if someone wants to give Joe some help getting his message out…
Hi, Donna Marie (waves)
Hi, john in sacramento – howzit goin’?
lotus at 124, lol! I can just picture you . . .
he likes her a lot, neurophius.
I be one tuckered li’l lefty, I tellya, Leslie, but grinnin’ ear-to-ear.
Christy@93 & Cujo359@97– I pointed out to my ex-marine pal that Murtha spoke out about Haditha based on a briefing by military investigators who have seen the evidence. But Carl is semper fi to the end and thinks Murtha should’ve kept his damned mouth shut till the investigation is complete, otherwise he’s just helping the terrorists and hurting the troops.
Umm… nevermind my last comment about the domains. Gone now.
alittlemusicalityplease . . . denial, we call that.
neurphious-When he says that he means “she’ll come on the show and let me eviscerate her anytime.” See: Tom Delay
I tried to snatch that connecticutforlieberman.com domains but somebody already got it — darn it
Tweety just ran the Lamont-as-Bush ad.
I just snagged connecticutforlieberman.OMG!
LAMONT as Bush ad?
“Foisted on an unsuspecting public…”
So it’s like porn-Tweety
“alittlemusicalityplease” — is that from Strictly Ballroom?
Jesus — is Rosenblatt about to sign off?
punaise – did you get the .com ending? That would be a huge coup!
The “Head-Butt” heard round the world…
http://www.voxfux.com/features….._house.jpe
Tweety is mining YouTube.
You Tube Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!
i had not heard pajamahadeen til tonite when tweety said it.
now youtube is compared to porn by the tweetster.
ptooey.
punaise, are you serious? OMG.
punaise — how many of the different lieberaddys did you get? com? org? net? etc?
OMGROTFLMFAO!
wxyz – LOL, it was a joke..(OMG = “oh my God!”, typical 13 year old girl exclamation, judging by punaisette and her friends)
Yo Leslie in Ca, John in Sacramento, LindaR! I’ll be at Charlie Brown’s Grand Opening tonight.
sorry for all ruckus folks – I don’t think .omg even exists as a domain suffix….
Donna Marie — see ya there!
well, i guess your kitty has a new moniker, punaise! congrats.
those LieberAddys were only gotten today … surely the LieberFolk wouldnt have waited so late to snatch them up? or maybe JoesFolk are really that incompetent!
angie – the only thing settled about the kitty naming is that Zidane is no longer a candidate.
Damn! It was Rosenblatt’s last. As stunning as all of them for the last 22 years, of course.
alittlemusicalityplease @ 4:45 pm (#134) – Yeah, why don’t we just wait to see how the war turns out before we start getting all critical?
These arguments just remind me of arguments I have with creationists. You demolish one and there’s another stupid one right behind it, exactly the same except for the nouns. The classic is the “transpecies evolution” thing. You provide them an example of one that’s actually happened based on fossil evidence (after explaining what it is they’re really talking about, of course). Then they say “Well, there wasn’t one that people have actually observed”, so you mention mayflies or bacteria. “Well, those are simple life forms”, so you mention salamanders. “Well, those aren’t mammals”. So, it just keeps going. Meanwhile, of course, these people haven’t actually looked into the issue themselves, no matter how often what they’re told is shown to be wrong.
Arguing with the “Murtha/Kerry/Cleland is a traitor” crowd is just like that. You’ll never win, because they just don’t want to admit that those things they were so angry about were nonsense.
Errrm, actually I’m Citrus Heights but who knows where that is? lol
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Speaking of Northwoods Advertising …
Looking for Rudy
http://today.reuters.com/news/…..Q-RAPE.xml
lotus@136
No kidding. Carl still thinks that Valerie Plame wasn’t undercover when she was outed. Boy, did we ever have a shouting match at the dinner table over that one.
Switching to NoJoe, did anybody see the NYT piece on Joe a few weeks ago that reported only 8% of Connecticut Dems approve of Bush’s handling of Iraq — which means that 92% of the state’s Dems disapprove. Yet, a post-debate Boston Globe online article quotes Lieberman as saying he hopes voters will “respect his views.”
Huh???
Whatever happened to respecting — and reflecting — the views of the people who put you in office?
lotus
No, I don’t know what I was thinking. Loserman as Bush ad.
Donna Marie…122
“Tricky Dick”… did she say that before or after the trickster said that Douglas was “a pink lady, right down to her underwear”? Richard Nixon: what a Dick.
Just a few weeks left until the Connecticut Primary. Who’s winning? Anyone know?
..and your little dog too @77
Reading your comment made me thing about a lot of the self-serving democratic senators there are.
On one hand, you have Lieberman, who wants America to stay in Iraq for a long time. On the other hand, you have Murtha, who wants America to stay in Iraq as least as possible.
Quietly in the middle are the majority of democratic senators.
hey *ilson, is that you that fixed “moxie” upthread?
I would support Murtha for secretary of defense.
zut alors and sacre bleu, punaise!
how about RRRRRRRRRRRRingo?
Wouldn’t that make some heads explode?
Dean on KO now.
yupperz — I guess that makes me another typo fairy
alors, merci *ilson
Last one
Fast Paced Paul
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Wish I wasn’t busy tonight Donna, next time.
… Donna from Grass Valley?
*ilson, can we call you F7 for short?
punaise,re; The Cat,
Still just a kitten, always tearing around hell bent for leather. You could call it ‘Scrambler’. Then, when it’s older and youve had it fixed, It’ll sit on top of the tee vee staring at you funny. Then you can just call it SCRAM!
Oh, that wellstone ad makes me so sad.
Indpls has F1 racing — is F7 faster? what is F7 ?
LindaR @ 143–
That’s it. It’s the kid sister’s response when her brother auditions new dancing partners. And it’s a line that reverberates through my brain in response to the dissonance of the harpie wingnuts.
F7 is spell-check on PC keyboard.
Rasmussen shows Lamont within five points in the primary- but Lieberman smoking him in the general. Any later information?
almp @ 181 — fabulous.
Bustednuckles 178 – the way he dashes around, Scramblur would work!
oh goodness gracious, dean is talking about a study that says that rethugs are authoritarian followers and one percent of liberals are.
ok, we do need a new language.
I gotta try teh f7.
Punaise, we are kittysitting a new Siamese kitten we are calling Kittaine, after the “news”caster Tawny Kittaine (doesn’t that sound like it should be a porn queen’s name?. Can I borrow some of your rejected kitty names? What might they be?
I’m also accepting real good excuses why we can’t give him back when his “parents” get back from France in August. They found him on the street hours before jetting off and were just going to leave him home, alone, with a neighbor looking in every few days. I think I’m on sold ground here, right? Right?
F7 was not the precursor to the band L7
Oui, John from Sacramento. It’s Donna from Grass Valley.
Mommybrain, of course: they just found the cat for you.
names – boy or girl?
punaise, do you recall the other night when I asked you whether “M. Zidane” is a head-butter kitty? Rang in my memory last night.
Mommybrain: go to the local Humane Shelter and get a cat that looks an awful lot alike to your new babycat. Pawn off the ‘fake cat’ on your friends … they’ll never know the difference!
Or be honest and cry and whine to let you keep the kitty and offer to go to the Humane Shelter to help them adopt a replacement …
possession and love is 9/10th of the law and now you are clearly in love, Mommybrain. You are on very solid animal lovers ground; of course, the original rescuers could have liberal visitation rights.
Boy. Very quiet for a siamese. Also dashes madly. Brave – Launched himself at my BigDog’s nose first time he saw him, no provocation, no warning.
KO & Dean:
Authoritarianism? A polite word for fascism. Better yet: dictatorship.
Mommybrain, absolutely. My first two kitties were Siamese – enjoy!
Mommybrain, While I’m at it, why dont you cal it CC?Siamese=Curtain Climber.
lotus – yes, awfully prescient of you. and I do mean “awful” with regard to the real Zidane’s actions (ours is more of a nipper).
mommybrain: my first choice – Fitz the Cat – fell on deaf ears around our house. it’s all yours, as well as any others I can recall (gimme a minute).
*ilson – how devious of you. :~)
another solution: place the cat in the middle of the room. let him choose. obviously, he’ll choose you.
LindaR – 119
The only response, with all we know now, should be “why would you believe a word they say?”
or
“When your rep is that of serial liar, why do you think anyone is going to buy your new propaganda?”
angie #186:
I’d certainly recommend to anyone who missed KO’s interview of John Dean to catch the replay at 12:00 EDT/9:00 PDT. Yikes!!
*ilson,
have been waiting throughout the thread for you to mention this guy -
Dick Tuck
john in Sacramento – lived on Donegal Place in Citrus Heights so long ago dinosaur roamed the intersection of Greenback and Auburn Blvd
Mommybrain, a couple of days ago, you’d asked about the possible political division of North America, and I thought of this book for you, I read it when it first came out. The Nine Nations of North America
I’m not sure it’s exactly what you were looking for, but it might lead you in the right direction.
For those trying to snag domain names, anybody tried:
connecticut-for-lieberman.com, .net, etc.?
I believe that just adding the hyphens makes it a whole new domain…
I thought the same, OK Kiddo, even though Dean disputed that mildly.
we’re not there yet.
oh, yes we are.
Or a personal favorite, DC. We had a kitten once that got into the heating ducts. You could hear the poor thing mewling all over the house, but could not pinpoint it. My mom got so frustrated she started yelling FIND THAT GODDAMN CAT! DC it was.(Damn Cat).
I felt awful about that last night, pun. Felt awful for toute la France (or however that’s supposed to go — been longtemps since my French been called upon, and it’s rusted badly).
some of the boy name candidates, as I recall: Rosco, Beppe, Thibault or T-Bo (same pronunciation), Theo, Elliot, Polo, Paolo, Henri…
too bad the once-cute name Scooter is forever tainted.
how about Pel?
lotus – toute la France is correct. c’est moche.
alors, zut!
How’s Pel?
as in Pell-Mell?
you know what I mean, punaise.
darned accents don’t come thru.
oh, that Pele
the Academie Francaise wont like this: according to Babelfish, Scooter in French is Scooter
that Pele? you were expecting a Hawaiian volcano or sumtin?
I except Chirac and his ilk, mind you. A Segolene partisan here.
let’s swiftcat the swiftboaters.
new thread — fresh Ned
Yepper, punaise! Claw they faces to ribbons!
*ilson: I’ve already approached the vet and pet store, asking for first dibs on any 2 month old Siameses. I’m also coaching my son for tears on cue ;-) He’s getting very attached.
Punaise – I’ll wait until the brain rack is done. My first Fitzzzz kitty (years before our Fitz) was eaten by a coyote. I don’t want to jinx this one. (hey, Jinx! That’s a possibility)
cbl – Dick Tuck was a favorite around my house in the 60’s. My dad used to tell that train pulling away story to whoever would listen.
Mommybrain, an OT thanks for your response about Russ Warner a few threads back. I sent your summary to my cousin, who wondered: why do you say CM is nuts? She and her partner don’t know that much about her, but hadn’t gotten that impression.
Segolene Royal – quite a name for a Socialist! She’s bound to be more promising than Hillary, at first glance.
Pele was kinda kool, you know. Fast and smart and tres internationale.
Jack Murtha has the onions to sustain anything
that the bottom feeder Brent Bozell can serve up but what worries me is this forum with it’s
tea party approach to real problems facing
our country!
Mommybrain — My current male Siamese’s name is Oberon, Obie for short. You’re welcome to borrow it if you like. Or, if you like Shakespeare and want the name of a scamp who cleaned up his act, try Henry. Or go for something Thai: Chakri, the royal dynasty of Thailand, or Bhumibol, which seems like a mouthful (although Bhumi might work.)
Punaise — As I recall, Elliott was one of your top three. I’d suggest “Futbol” but it might make people think you kick your cat. Or maybe “Soccer”?
Leslie in CA 222 – (gossip warning) Several of my friends worked on her 04 campaign. Well before election night, not a single one was willing to be seen as still supporting her. She tacked waaaay right at the end and supported positions on immigration and the war that would bring her votes and $$$ but not Dem respect.
At the CDP convention in April: during the district caucus, when candidates give 2 min speeches and delegates vote to endorse one candidate, her “speech” was a somewhat manic attack on her opponent; she said absolutely nothing about herself and her beliefs/policies. After the vote (in which several of her “supporters” voted “no endorsement”), which she lost, she burst into tears. Think she can handle the big time?
Later, she called the convention center police over and told her one of my buddies had pushed her (absolutely untrue) and asked that they arrest her. When my friend confronted her in front of the cops, she backed down. Her supporters have tried to get my club’s charter revoked at the state level because we voted not to endorse her.
She’s big trouble. Based on my personal observations of her behavior, I don’t think she’s qualified.
(end gossip)
BarbaraB – I love Chakri. It goes on the list. Thanks.
fran…225
“tea party approach”?
This garbage is all so obvious. How is it that so many people just continue shopping the WalMart way and ignoring the truth about the right wing weasels that fill the universe with lies and hate? Are people really this stupid?
OMG, there I was just cruisin through the comments when for a second I thought lotus was talking about Barbara Bush…hind legs both in trouble…laminitis…right pastern. I’m still laughing at my brain fart.
Once we realize all of this chatter has nothing to do with politics but more about the language of the powerless….. then we can grow into what we need to become.
Back to Murtha. We have to ask the deeper questin why Swiftboating works. This goes to this morning’s discussion over at Kos on the Olberman/Dean interview — whether and to what extent America is trending fascist. I think reason why a man as respected as Murtha can be plausibly Swiftboated is because the vast majority of the public don’t know who he is. the 23 percent of fascists don’t care, and will go with their leaders. The rest will say, there’s two sides to every question, where there’s smoke, there’s fire, etc. In short, ignorance plus laziness, plus a committed minority are enough to sink just about anyone.
The technique was perfected by long practice on the Clintons. I don’t see any real cure for it. Americans don’t really want to govern themselves.
This is the fundamental problem. Frankly, I did a paper in 1985 for a college class where I analyzed Reagan’s speechs for uses of power and control. The power and control wheel was created by the Duluth model for the treatment of men who are violent. (domestic violence). The power wheel basically lays out some behaviors that will be the foundation to eventual violence. On the the wheel, the use of intimidation, name calling and mind games, isolation, minimize, deny and blame (the violence), treating people as objects (womens as sex objects, prejudice, using children to get back at a spouse), the concept “I am king of the castlel…I can do what I want”, using money to financially control someone, and using coercion and threats. If you think about basic training in the military this is precisely the paradigm used. The military uses power and control…any link to violence there??
Reagan was the beginning of this trend. I believe it was a back lash to watergate. Reagan used attack ads and lots a patronizing. His tough talk is credited with bringing down the Soviet Union but in my opinion that is a bunch of bunk. The soviet union was destroying itself for many years and we had many spies that had infiltrated their government with democratic ideas. We had Armand Hammer over there doing his thing with capitalism. But America loves a tough guy.
As long as we continue to beat our children into submission and describe that as “good parenting”, as long as “fighting back” is seen as admirable, as long as we avoid the words of Jesus, Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Martin Buber, etc. The problem is that the country responds to power and control. We submit to it. We honor it. We are a military nation.
It’s tough to swallow but unfortunately, it requires a full paradigm shift and anyone making that shift…from power and control of others to personal responsibility and accountability will be attacked. That’s the way it works with new ideas. They killed Jesus…they killed Martin Luther King…there is nothing more threatening than this concept because it means that they would lose control of us. They would lose their ability to move the masses with fear and threats. We aren’t quite sure how to function without waving some kind of a big stick. The big stick keeps the wealth where they want it.
Katie… One problem with your paradigm shift. Our enemy doesn’t give a damn about paradigms. Islamo-Facsists don’t care about new-age psycho-babble. They want to kill or convert you and me. They want to subjugate women and brutalize homosexuals. They would do all of this to “Jesus, Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Martin Buber..”.
I’m sorry to be so simplistic or black and white but until people on the left, and some on the right recognize that we all have a real enemy out there that must be defeated or the sake of humanity, then there is no hope. Once they are defeated, then we can carry on with this liberal/conservative back and forth. The great thing about America is that we can have these types of arguments but at some point, we have to come together because the ideology of Islamo-Fascists should be diametrically opposed to everything a liberal stands for. At least I hope so.