You blog long enough and you do things you never thought you’d do — like reprint GOP opposition research.
But I came across this while I was looking up some Lieberman stuff, and I thought it was amusing in light of the coordinated attack unleashed today by Bobo Brooks and other wingnut concern trolls who now claim that Joe Lieberman is a true man of principle.
(*COUGH* clears throat…)
And so, without further ado, straight from the RNC…
Who Is Joe Lieberman?
Who Is Joe Lieberman?
“The Lieberman persona is so inventive, has been so creative, has been so gymnastic in its many shapes and forms, that only he can even begin to explain it. . . . Many politicians look a bit oily, a bit uncomfortable moving across and around the political spectrum, but our Joe looks as comfortable as if he’s merely changing clothes.” (Laurence D. Cohen, Op-Ed, “The Chameleon Who Came To Dinner,” The Hartford Courant, November 3, 2002)
“The Lieberman persona is so inventive, has been so creative, has been so gymnastic in its many shapes and forms, that only he can even begin to explain it. . . . Many politicians look a bit oily, a bit uncomfortable moving across and around the political spectrum, but our Joe looks as comfortable as if he’s merely changing clothes.” (Laurence D. Cohen, Op-Ed, “The Chameleon Who Came To Dinner,” The Hartford Courant, November 3, 2002)
The Facts About Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
The Facts About Joe Lieberman (D-CT)
On School Vouchers, Lieberman Betrayed His Beliefs To BECOME GORE’S RUNNING MATE
On School Vouchers, Lieberman Betrayed His Beliefs To BECOME GORE’S RUNNING MATE In The 1990’s, Lieberman Passionately Supported School Choice, But In The 2000 Campaign, He Cynically Ran Away From His Record.
On Social Security, Lieberman Sacrificed His Convictions FOR AMBITION
On Social Security, Lieberman Sacrificed His Convictions FOR AMBITION As A Senator, Lieberman Thought Investing A Portion Of Social Security In The Markets “Has Got To Happen,” But As A Campaigner, Lieberman Succumbed To Gore’s Pressure To Abandon This Position. (Robert Novak, “Moderate Talk, But A Distinctly Liberal Walk,” Chicago Sun-Times, August 10, 2000)
On Affirmative Action, Lieberman Flip-Flopped
As Chair Of The DLC, Lieberman Denounced Group Preferences As “Patently Unfair.” But In 2000, He Ran Away From His Record. (“CBO: Clinton Deficit Larger Than Advertised,” USA Today, March 10, 1995)
On Corporate Corruption, Lieberman Obstructed Reform, But “Found Religion” When The Political Tides Turned Against Him
On Corporate Corruption, Lieberman Obstructed Reform, But “Found Religion” When The Political Tides Turned Against Him Former SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt Said Lieberman “Led The Charge” To Halt Regulation That Could Have Curtailed Corporate Corruption. (Editorial, “Congress’ Own Corporate Scandals,” Business Week, September 30, 2002)
On Tax Relief, Lieberman CONTRADICTS HIMSELF
On Tax Relief, Lieberman CONTRADICTS HIMSELF Lieberman Called For A Tax Cut To Pull America Out Of The 1991 Recession, But Criticized The Bush Administration For Cutting Taxes To Pull America Out Of Recession.
On Supreme Court Nominations, Lieberman TRIES TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
On Supreme Court Nominations, Lieberman TRIES TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS Lieberman Vowed Not To Apply A Pro-Abortion Litmus Test To Supreme Court Nominees, But Joined A Campaign That Promised To Do That Very Thing.
Joe Lieberman In Depth
Joe Lieberman In Depth
Situational Ethics: Joe’s Journey From Populist, To Moderate, To Moralist, And Back Again
Situational Ethics: Joe’s Journey From Populist, To Moderate, To Moralist, And Back Again 1980: “Some Lessons Are Learned Only Through Experience, And Here [Is A Lesson] That I Learned From My Loss In 1980: A Candidate Must Keep Polling Right Up Until The End, And Be Prepared To Conduct The Campaign Accordingly.” (Senator Joseph Lieberman, In Praise Of Public Life, 2000, p. 60)
1986: Lieberman Appears Inauthentic To Many. “Some say Attorney General Joseph I. Lieberman is an important force for justice in Connecticut. . . . Others say he’s a publicity-hungry, showboating politician.” (Sterling North, “Connecticut Lawsuit Alleges Big Oil Retained The Windfall,” New England Business, September 1, 1986)
1987: Always Looking For A Political Conquest, Lieberman Targets His Next Opportunity – U.S. Senator Lowell Weicker’s Seat. After conducting a poll, consulting his family, and being recruited by Senator John Kerry, who provided Lieberman with “a thick [opposition research] book on Weicker’s career,” Lieberman concluded that Weicker’s seat was vulnerable. Lieberman wrote, “This was a unique moment in my career. I had never been coy about having political ambitions and regularly thought about the next office I might seek. . . . In 1987, I was drawn into a race that I had not seriously considered, but it was for an office – United State senator – that was my ultimate ambition.” (Senator Joseph Lieberman, In Praise Of Public Life, 2000, pp. 73-77)
1988: To Obtain His “Ultimate Ambition,” Lieberman Successfully Purges His Liberal Democrat Identity And Redefines Himself As A Moderate. “Lieberman is expected to play down his progressive image, with the hopes of drawing support from Republicans displeased with Mr. Weicker’s record in the Senate.” This shift “enables him to hold onto the Democratic base,” while attracting “independents . . . [and] conservatives who would like to vote against Weicker, but not for someone who is running openly as a liberal.” (Nick Ravo, “Lieberman Begins Bid To Win Weicker’s Seat,” The New York Times, February 23, 1988; The Cook Political Report, May 31, 1988)
Early 1990’s: Perfecting The Art Of The Veneer-Candidate, Lieberman Goes To Washington, Professing To Be A “New-Dem,” But Voting Like An Old-School-Liberal. “His voting record was not demonstrably different from that of your average liberal Democrat, but his rhetoric was enough to get him invited to dinner at the right (literally and figuratively) think tanks. He was an eager and early participant in the New Democrat movement, which at least pretended that the Democratic Party didn’t want to steal all your money and spend it on government.” (Laurence D. Cohen, “The Chameleon Who Came To Dinner,” The Hartford Courant, November 3, 2002)
1998: From Moderate To Moralist, Lieberman Lambastes Clinton Over The Lewinsky Affair On The Senate Floor, Takes The National Spotlight, And Elevates His National Stature. “Lieberman is perhaps best known to voters for a September 1998 speech that criticized Clinton’s behavior in the Monica Lewinsky scandal as ‘not just inappropriate. It is immoral.’” Lieberman continued, “‘[I]t is harmful, for it sends a message of what is acceptable behavior to the larger American family-particularly to our children.’” (Congressional Quarterly Website, http://oncongress.cq.com, Accessed December 11, 2002)
2000: From Moralist Back To Populist, Lieberman Banks Left To Pursue Vice Presidential Ambitions. Lieberman called his Vice Presidential candidacy “‘a victory for a set of ideas,’ but different groups [at the Democratic Convention] heard different versions of the set. Lieberman . . . reassure[d] basic Democratic constituencies – including teachers, African Americans and union members – that he is sympathetic to their interests despite [his] centrist New Democrat ideas . . . . Lieberman acknowledged that the Gore campaign message of . . . standing up ‘for the people, not the powerful’ is not classic New Democrat rhetoric.” (Mike Allen, “Reaching Across Liberal-Centrist Divide,” The Washington Post, August 18, 2000)
2002 (And Beyond): To Further His Presidential Ambitions, What Shape Will Lieberman Contort Himself Into Next? Expect More Of The Same. When Gore chose him, “Lieberman ranked as one of the more conservative Democrats in the Senate . . . question[ing] affirmative action, support[ing],” school choice, “and generally irritat[ing] some of the Party’s most stalwart constituency groups. During the campaign, Lieberman hewed closer to the party line . . . . [A]s he weighs entering the Democratic Presidential primaries-with their left-skewing voters-he has reestablished his [liberal] bona fides . . . . He voted against the Bush tax cut, denounced the Republicans’ environmental policies, and, in homeland security, made a stand for unions.” (Jeffrey Toobin, “Candide, Joe Lieberman Looks Hopefully Toward The White House,” The New Yorker, December 16, 2002)
Lieberman On The Issues: When Opportunity Knocks, Principle Gives
Lieberman On The Issues: When Opportunity Knocks, Principle Gives
On School Vouchers, He Betrayed His Beliefs To Win Gore Votes
On School Vouchers, He Betrayed His Beliefs To Win Gore Votes As A Senator, Lieberman Supported School Choice. Defending school choice and charter schools, Lieberman said, “The undeniable reality here is that this system is already in ruins, and to blindly reject new models and refuse to try new ideas is simply foolish. We can and must do better for these children, and to cling stubbornly to the failures of the past will just not get us there.” (Senator Joe Lieberman, The Senate Government Affairs Committee Hearing, April 17, 1997)
But As A Vice Presidential Hopeful, He Ran Away From His Record. In answer to a question about his support for public school vouchers, a position opposed by Gore, “Lieberman signaled his willingness to follow Gore’s lead: ‘If you want to get me off this idea, the best thing to do is elect the Gore-Lieberman ticket.’” (Ken Foskett, “Democrats Downplay Differences,” The Atlanta Journal And Constitution, August 10, 2000)
On Social Security, Lieberman Sacrificed His Convictions In The Face Of Political Pressure
On Social Security, Lieberman Sacrificed His Convictions In The Face Of Political Pressure As A Senator, Lieberman Thought Investing A Portion Of Social Security In The Capital Markets “Has Got To Happen.” “‘A remarkable wave of innovative thinking is advancing . . . some personalization of retirement plans.’ Such a plan, [Lieberman] added, can ‘give people more confidence about what their retirement years will be like. . . . [I]ndividual control of part of the retirement/Social Security funds has got to happen.’” (Robert Novak, “Moderate Talk, But A Distinctly Liberal Walk,” Chicago Sun-Times, August 10, 2000)
But As A Campaigner, Lieberman Succumbed To Gore’s Pressure To Abandon This Position. “In June, [2000] the Gore campaign prudently asked Lieberman to prepare an ‘op-ed column’ on Social Security. ‘My Private Journey Away From Privatization’ attacked ‘an expensive experiment’ and endorsed Gore’s plan. It appeared in no newspapers, but was filed at Gore headquarters for future distribution – which came this week.” (Robert Novak, “Moderate Talk, But A Distinctly Liberal Walk,” Chicago Sun-Times, August 10, 2000)
On Affirmative Action, Lieberman Flip-Flopped
On Affirmative Action, Lieberman Flip-Flopped As Chair Of The DLC, Lieberman Denounced Group Preferences As “Patently Unfair.” “Lieberman said the DLC has no specific position on the review of affirmative action under way by the White House, but he said he feels group preferences are ‘patently unfair.’” (“CBO: Clinton Deficit Larger Than Advertised,” USA Today, March 10, 1995)
But In 2000, He Ran Away From His Record. “[W]e’re two active minds. That’s the nature of our friendship and partnership . . . . Incidentally, some of those topics you mentioned, like affirmative action, we’re together on.” (ABC’s “Good Morning America,” August 9, 2000)
On Corporate Corruption, Lieberman Obstructed Reform, But “Found Religion” When The Political Tides Turned Against Him
On Corporate Corruption, Lieberman Obstructed Reform, But “Found Religion” When The Political Tides Turned Against Him Former SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt Said Lieberman “Led The Charge” To Halt Regulations That Could Have Curtailed Corruption. Lieberman “led the charge. He introduced legislation to bar the SEC from enforcing the rule,” to require accounting of stock options. Lieberman also wanted to require the “SEC to ratify each of [FASB’s] decisions . . . [and he] sponsored a Senate resolution that declared the FASB proposal a cockamamie idea . . . [with] ‘grave consequences for America’s entrepreneurs.’” (Arthur Levitt, “Take On The Street,” Business Week, September 30, 2002)
But To Save Face, Lieberman Decried The Breakdown In Corporate Accountability As “A Scandal Of Lost Values.” Lieberman told the DLC national convention that Enron and WorldCom were “scandal[s] of lost values as much as lost value. Not content with a booming economy and a bullish market, a lot of powerful people turned into con artists and thieves to satisfy their personal greed. . . . They forgot that in America, as we New Democrats have always said, opportunities come with responsibilities.” (Senator Lieberman, Remarks At The 2002 DLC National Convention, July 29, 2002)
On Tax Relief, Lieberman’s Record Is Contradictory
On Tax Relief, Lieberman’s Record Is Contradictory As A Statesman, Lieberman Called For A Tax Cut To Pull America Out Of The 1991 Recession. “We sure are in a deep recession today. Let us cut taxes so we can put more money into the hands of the middle class . . . . Let us cut taxes on business so they will invest and create the kind of jobs that will make us competitive and protect our future. Read our lips, Mr. President, let us cut taxes because it is good for America.” (Senator Joe Lieberman, Congressional Record, October 25, 1991)
As A Presidential Hopeful, Lieberman Criticized The Bush Administration For Cutting Taxes To Improve The Economy. “[T]he Bush Administration suffers from a profound economic leadership deficit . . . . This Administration has no growth strategy, except their one-note plan that could fit on the back of a shampoo bottle – ‘Cut taxes, increase spending, borrow, repeat.’ That’s not a recipe for a growing economy and more jobs, but for exploding deficits and lost jobs.” (Senator Joe Lieberman, Remarks At The 2002 DLC National Convention, July 29, 2002)
On Supreme Court Appointments, Lieberman Will Betray Principle To Advance His Career
On Supreme Court Appointments, Lieberman Will Betray Principle To Advance His Career Lieberman Vowed Not To Apply A Pro-Abortion Litmus Test To Supreme Court Nominees. Speaking with “the pro-life lobby, Lieberman said he would have voted to confirm Robert Bork to the Supreme Court had he been in the Senate at the time. And future such nominees? ‘I’m not going to vote against a judicial nominee just because he’s pro-life,’ Lieberman promised. ‘I’m not going to apply a litmus test.’” (“Joe Lieberman Borks Himself,” The Weekly Standard, September 25, 2000)
But He Joined Gore’s Campaign, Who Promised To Do That Very Thing. On ABC’s Nightline, Gore said “[I]f you believe in a woman’s right to choose – a right that must never be weakened, never be undermined, never be taken away, join us now. The Supreme Court is at stake and our campaign is your cause.” (ABC’s “Nightline,” October 2, 2000)
All right, we disagree on almost every point except the fact that Lieberman is a slippery little creep who will say anything to advance his political career and stands for absolutely nothing. I think it’s nice we can reach across the aisle every once in a while and agree on something, don’t you?
(graphic by Dark Black)
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Sunday night at the lake! Woooohoooo!! Fitz!
Ned!
Jane!
Rootz!
our cat will not be named Zidane.
Phony Lamont bumper sticker. Bogus Lamont website. Obviously Lie-Berman’s learned a lot from his Uncle Karl.
Heh heh heh…
Sweet, sweet Nedenfreude.
He has to run against a straw campaign. Ned’s real campaign is just too tough.
Jane: Lieberman likes to play “Follow the Leader”. He is really in trouble now. Al Scooter brought up the diary at Dkos and the bumper sticker which is owned by his real party. He is already an orphan.
Lanny Davis, Bill and Hillary’s classmate at Yale and his Special Counsel while in the WH when after Ned today on Washington Journal, using Joe’s talking points. Any thoughts on whether he would have done this without the consent of B&H?
s :)
Bush’s Lap Dog Wants it Both Ways.
He’ll be taking it in both places.
FWIW: Italian-Americans are the largest ethnic group in Connecticut : 18% … Ned needs to be seen kicking a soccerball around jubilantly !
EPU’d but now on topic: Did anybody catch/discuss this debate already?
Lanny Davis, Former White House Special Counsel, Clinton Admin., 1996-1998 & Katrina Vanden Heuvel, The Nation, Editor, discuss the Connecticut Senate race between Sen. Joe Lieberman and challenger Ned Lamont.
7/9/2006: WASHINGTON, DC: 1 hr. 1 min.
Yes and it was wild…
al scooter your 10
at the same time?
cc, thanks. I was just heading to the drugstore for some Rid. :-)
Jane–There’s some Wordpress weirdness on the front page. All text after your current post is bold. When I open any thread, the bold goes away.
Hi,
I am fasting to end the occupation. We have paper plates with a messege. (I haven’t determined my messege yet.) Anyways, we’re putting the paper plates at businesses and wearing them as badges with a messege.
I’m asking each person here to buy a pack of paper plates and post your own message all over your town, USA in support of the more than 3000 people fasting and in support to end the occupation.
For that matter, paper plates are cheap. Buy them and write a message on them and send them to Congress.
Please join us in whatever way you can support us.
LOL
Lieberman TRIES TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
I’m shocked – just shocked! – that anyone could say that about No-Blow-Joe.
So who is Joe Lieberman?
And who can replace Joe Lieberman?
Or perhaps, *what* is Joe Lieberman?
-ck- Just get out of a coma?
better yet: what *was* Joe Lieberman?
Hi-
I can’t stay for long and chat, I have friends from France visiting and-
this caught my attention, a good post regarding the ’single issue’ arguments in teh Lieberman/ Lamont race.
here’s the link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-d…..24678.html
have a great chat..
Tampa, Florida – Congresswoman Katherine Harris will visit Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C. on Monday, July 10th to undergo pre-operative testing to remove an ovarian mass. The preventative surgery is scheduled for July 17th at Walter Reed.
Wonder if she’ll visit the soldiers… how responsible for all this chaos is she?
punaise,
le minou will not be named zizou non plus?
Buffon? Peut-tre.
Mais pourquoi pas, Azzuri!
Wonder if she’ll visit the soldiers… how responsible for all this chaos is she?
As a representative, probably not much. As 2000 FLA Secretary of State, very very.
kalina: goat meat tonight might be apropos for French visitors after Zidane’s butting …
Isn’t the whole *point* for a politician to play piggy-in-the-middle between power and the people?
Paper plates?!
Good idea, Katherine Harris. Better use that cushy congressional health care package while you still have it. After November, you’ll have to get some sort of job.
Holy crap.
So, basically Joe is (and pardon the profanity and the unladylike language) the guy who’s fucked everyone pretty much in every way possible, but still likes to think of himself as a virgin.
kalina77 @ 5:20 pm (#24) – Thanks for the link.
Something I remember about David Brooks is that he’s the first person I remember saying “sixteen words” to refer to the President lying about the Iraqi nuke program in the SOTU. As if that it was only sixteen words out of however many somehow made it less of a bald-faced, despicable lie. Anyway, in the article kalina77 linked to, Frank Dwyer expands on that point:
“…has been reduced to one issue, slavery.”
“…has been reduced to one issue, child molestation.”
“…has been reduced to one issue, the attack on Pearl Harbor.”
“…has been reduced to one issue, defending the Constitution.’
“…has been reduced to one issue, extermination of the Jews.”
That’s why we call him Bobo.
“Isn’t the whole *point* for a politician to play piggy-in-the-middle between power and the people?”
The NYT’s and the WaPo “set the margin” on the left. The rest of the traditional media aligns to the “right.” When the NYT’s and the WaPo caved, it became impossible for any liberal talking point to get to readers. Feingold’s call for Censure states, “ofcourse we wiretap terrorists.” TM never prints that and instead states that Feingold is against the War on Terror.
Cujo359
That is brilliant…”reduced to one issue–slavery.”
moeman
I’ll give credit to gli Azurri – they played a solid game and ultimately earned their victory. Buffon made some critical saves. It could certainly have gone either way, at least until Zidane’s expulsion. What a shame for him to quit the world stage that way; I haven’t checked the news to see what the Italian player said that could have provoked him so.
That said, a cold-cocked head-butting of another player in the sternum is utterly inexcusable. I have a lost a ton of respect for Zidane, an otherwise level-headed, even serene, player.
We watched the game with bunch of French ex-pats, so that was fun for about 80 minutes.
(disclaimer: I’m no expert; just a soccer dad with a foot in France. )
Eli: As 2000 FLA Secretary of State, very very. Of course that’s what I meant. I wonder why she isn’t using a Florida Hospital though…
cleter @ 5:28 pm (#30) – She’s worth about $10 million. She can probably afford health care. In fact, I’d really prefer that she didn’t get a job.
I thought it was amusing in light of the coordinated attack unleashed today by Bobo Brooks…
Let me share with you a snippet of dish on Bobo via an email from a friend of mine:
“As if that it was only sixteen words out of however many somehow made it less of a bald-faced, despicable lie.”
APPLAUSE FOR CUJO.
Cujo you distilled so well in your comment what Rove does better than anyone else, soundbytes. That’s where we have to get better.
Congresscritter Harris is firmly opposed to “socialized medicine” and “the government telling doctors what to do” yet when she needs healthcare she runs and takes the one giant generous medical perk offered to Congresscritters: top-of-the-line treatment at no cost whatsoever at Walter Reed Hospital. She also has the identical employer-insurance as any file clerk or letter carrier but this very independently wealthy woman gets her special freebies in DC. I’m sorry she’s ill but dammit, why does she leech off of the taxpayers?
op99 says
July 9th, 2006 at 5:34 pm
Awesome story, thanks.
This morning on ABC Donna Brazille proudly proclaimed she was a “Lieberman Democrat.” The inside-the-beltway pundits don’t have a clue about why a lot of grassroots people are pissed with Lieberman for doing everything in his power to get us into a disastrous war. Joe still wants permanent American bases in Iraq to protect his Israeli friends…even if it costs thousands of American lives. Most of us don’t want any part of his NeoCon Middle East agenda.
punaise – I thought of you and your kitty when I saw that today. A very sad way to end his career.
His head always looked a little big for his body, didn’t it?
Why did David Brooks get hired by the NY Times?
Wing Nut Welfare, NYT Style . . .
“(disclaimer: I’m no expert; just a soccer dad with a foot in France. )”
Fooled me, great summary, thanks.
Since I wouldn’t wish ovarian cancer on anyone (I had a secretary who died of the disease about 10 years ago, and it was horrible), I’ll just hope that Harris’ press release is really just a polite way of saying that she’s being taken out of the gene pool.
ccmask
she’s using Walter Reed cuz it’s free for members of Congress. She probably got the store-bought breasts in Florida, though. And the weird lip-job. That she probably got from whatever doctor the Joker uses.
The Brooks/Right-wing “defense” of Lieberman is an embarrasing mobius strip of lies. They’d confuse themselves if they bothered to try and use any semblance of logic.
If anyone hasn’t seen the debate, I have a clip collection from youtube up on my blog.
John Casper @ 5:35 pm (#39) you distilled so well in your comment what Rove does better than anyone else, soundbytes. That’s where we have to get better.
I guess so. It’s just so incredibly dishonest. The “sixteen words” thing seemed so jaw-droppingly stupid at the time that I thought no one would have taken it seriously. Yet here we are, years later, admiring its ability to persuade the weak-minded.
1,204 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOES ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher:
Can we do away with this false “doomsday dilema” that the Republicrats and the rulin’ fascists have used to keep progressive Democrats and progressive positions out of election debates. If Lamont wins the primary it will be because he has presented a progressive choice to state Democrats and energized the substantial base of a solidly Democratic state…if that happens Joe Lieberman will only hurt the REPUBLICANS more than Democrats in the general election if he runs as an independent. So, go Ned and I say GO LIEBERMAN run as an independent and knock the Republican party of Connectecut back inta the 19th century! And remember that this is off year, so in a Democratic state, a contested primary that energizes the base of the party spells doom for the Republicans.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T HIDE FROM KARL ROVE’S SHADOW!!
Is Walter Reed free for soldier’s too?
freedom of the press is for them that own the presses … the NYTimes can hire whoever the Sulzbergers wish … “It’s good being the King!”
By “Lieberman Democrat” did Donna Brazile mean “loser?”
Walter Reed is indeed a military hospital for “work-related injuries” … no charge for soldiers
“Wing Nut Welfare, NYT Style”
The intellectual bankruptcy of the neocons is becoming painfully apparent.
I think it was Eli who opined they only plan for “best case scenarios.”
The world didn’t just stop, because we invaded/occupied Iraq/Afghanistan. This is a zero-sum game, and we lose every day. They are more worried about “saving face,” than dealing with the here and now. History is filled with failed invasions of the Middle East. Invaders always end dragging their sorry ass out with the whole world laughing at them saying, “we told you so.”
We did it in the “name of Democracy too,” so that just punishes pro-Democracy groups all over the world. Way to go W.
We have to win both houses in November.
ccmask
I think it’s free for active duty military, and retirees with service-connected disabilities.
ccmask @ 5:45 pm (#52) – It is, up to a point.
I’m afraid it’s a Salon article, so you’ll have to watch a commercial if you don’t have a subscription.
Congress also has a fine little clinic of its own: the Capitol Hill Physician …
This morning on ABC Donna Brazille proudly proclaimed she was a “Lieberman Democrat.”
Sounds about right. He’s welcome to her. Maybe he can get her and Shrum to work their magic on his campaign.
Darkblack, one of your best.
That post has a dizzying affect the nauseating kind. Why has anyone wanted to catch hold of this greased pig? Reminds me of that saying…
Never wrestle in the mud with pigs, because you both get filthy and the pig LOVES IT!
Doesn’t the fact that his Senatorial clique calls itself “Gang of. . .” give a clue?
What force for good ever operated as the “gang of …” whatever?
Besides, if he loses in CT, all he has to do is take a short cab ride to another state. On the East coast they’re not that far from each other.
Cujo
You have got to be kidding. They’re going to start charging soldiers for food at Walter Reed? That’s crazy.
What really cracked me up about Donna (haven’t had a winning candidate in a decade) Brazile saying she was a “Lieberman Democrat” is that she sounded proud of it. The Braziles and the Shrums and the Carvilles are still preaching the same old stuff that was barely successful when they were at the top of their game – at this point, the only thing their presence on the talking head shows signifies is that they have no other gainful employment, and no candidates who want to buy what they’re selling. The are on TV because George and Tim and Wolf and Tweety are comfortable with them – they all know what the dance is and no one is out-of-step.
It’s pitiful.
Mary, Gang of Four? Most excellent.
“I love a man in a uniform (shoot shoot)”
cleter @ 5:54 pm (#64) – I haven’t heard of that policy being rescinded. For some folks, it’s not much of a burden, but for those who are there for long-term care (quite a few of them – WR is one of the main rehabilitation centers) it’s $450 a month or so out of a soldier’s pay.
Can Donna describe the differences between a Lieberman Democrat and a Zell Miller Democrat?
I know one gave a speech for PResident Bush’s occupation of Iraq at a the RNConveetin, and one gave a speech for PResident Bush’s occupation of Iraq recently on the Senate floor – but they are hard to tell apart.
I am sure someone has linked to Atrios linking to Ham Hock of Liberty. It is so worth reading….
http://lerani.blogspot.com/200…..ndits.html
I suspect the charging for food is only for those soldiers in a pay classification where they are getting a “food allowance” above and beyond usual pay … we have to be frugal and prudent with taxpayers money in this war !
Wow Cujo! Imagine having to pay for hospital food?
Hi, kiddoes, barely functioning after a very, very busy zennursing day, but wanted to drop in and share the excellent fdl energy.
Here in Gloucester, MA, we have many, many large Italian families since we are still fighting to be a fishing community. Within minutes of the win, we had car horns and sirens wailing and hooting from all over town. The police led a parade of honking cars sailing huge Italian flags from one end of town to the other, again and again. We just celebrated the Blessing of the Fleet, St. Peter’s Fiesta, a four day annual event with a street dance, live Italian music, an outdoor Mass, a carnival, a parade and various competitions including seine boat races and a bunch of drunken guys walking a telephone pole covered with axle grease out in the harbor( The Greasy Pole). That happens every year the weekend before the Fourth. This will make our lengthy annual summer insanity last even longer.
Viva Italia, Viva San Pietro!!!
Mary @ 5:52 pm (#63) – if he loses in CT, all he has to do is take a short cab ride to another state.
Oh, let him try that “I’m anti-choice, support the war, and don’t care about civil liberties, but I’m still a Democrat” schtick in Pennsylvania. No one’s going to buy that there! Oh, wait. Nevermind.
1.203 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOES ON AND ON AND…
ccmask:
All the station hospitals of the various services are free for active duty soldiers and soldiers disabled as a result of active duty and retired vets. Walter Reed Army Medical Center, Brook Army Medical Center (San Antonio), Letterman Army Medical Center (Presidio San Fransisco), Fitzsimmons Army Medical Center (Denver) and there’s one in El Paso. In addition the Navy has Bethesda (Washington ,D.C.) and I don’t know where the Air Force has theirs.
The fascists are dismantling all of these facilities and the tax cuts have threatened to force the military to privatize virtually ALL services….if we don’t stop the dismantlin’ of the federal government via tax cuts, the remainin’ active duty military will be cheap tax-paid security forces for private corporate contract services.
This is it folks…the corporate attack on democracy includes the privitization of ALL services with the costs to be born by payroll taxes.
KEEP THE FAITH AND SHOOT STRAIGHT, THERE ARE PLENTY A TARGETS AND YOU KEN TELL ‘EM FROM QUAIL BY THE WHITE STRIPE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR BLACK FUR!!
Is Walter Reed free for soldiers too?
Only if they don’t eat anything. Or if they follow the third-world pattern of having their families bring them food.
CAN WE PLEASE AT LEAST FEED OUR AMPUTATED VETERANS????????
I have a fondness for Italy, too (a year in Florence will do that to you), so good for them.
Anne @65:
I guess the silver lining to all of this is that if the Democratic party establishment throws all of its resources and campaigning skill into helping Joe win, he’s almost sure to lose…
Zennurse- sounds like fun. I used to love the SanJanero festivals but unfortunately I’m never there while it is going on. Did they have the sausages & peppers? And those zeppoli’s? I’ve got a good recipe for zeppoli’s…
If this isn’t a campaign issue I don’t know what is.
Eli at 6:05
LMAO.
Support your troups, with food.
*ilson46201 @ 5:58 pm (#70) – I suspect the charging for food is only for those soldiers in a pay classification where they are getting a “food allowance” above and beyond usual pay
True, but …
That’s another quote from the Salon article, BTW.
egregious: It sure is. Maybe a thread is due on the issue. Enough noise and the MSM will not be able to ignore it. The man who sent them had three birthday parties and all they got was….
We better e-mail Cher.
Eli@77. Nice. It’s funny b.c. it’s true:
We don’t give them body armor, we don’t have sufficient forces/logistics in the field to protect them in a firefight, we are now refusing to MEDIVAC troops out, and when they are lucky enough to get home, if they are lucky enough to survive long enough to make it home, we are CHARGING THEM MONEY FOR FOOD.
And they wonder why I call myself egregious.
Democrats, looking for a campaign issue???
TAKE ACTION——FIGHT BACK
Eli 80-lol. You ain’t kidding there!
The whole concept of a Lieberman Democrat is insulting. I see this entire effort as a “save my sorry job as a consultant” effort. I mean, what is the definition os a Lieberman Democrat? A DLC Republican wannabe? A WATB? A person who will sell out anyone without much power in order to mai8ntain your own oreening access/ I mean REALLY??!~!! If this is what it means to be a Democrat, I am outta here….
But I know it doesn’t, I know that this is some sad Weberian iron cage of adherence to the rules of power rather than the demands of justice.
“Polar night of icy darkness” indeed!
Murtha MUST be aware of this…
Do the distinquished senators get free food in Washington, besides the weenies on the side?
What’s all the hubbub about a fake bumper sticker…Bub?
;>)
This morning on ABC Donna Brazille proudly proclaimed she was a “Lieberman Democrat.”
Well, duuuuuuh! That’s where the money is!
To contact Murtha..
http://www.house.gov/murtha/contact.shtml
So far, so good. Lamont Blog has the fake vs. real bumper stickers side-by-side. I hope tomorrow brings more forceful media attention, but the rapid response so far is a good sign.
http://lamontblog.blogspot.com…..in-it.html
So for any CT voters, here’s a question:
If this is how R.G. Joe treats you in public, what do you think he’s doing to you behind closed doors in DC?
egregious at 6:09, AFAIK, we also can’t protect our carriers from short range supersonic missles the Iranians bought from the Russians and the Chinese. All the carriers can do is move out of range which requires more fuel for longer flights into. Rumsfeld makes bad decisions at all levels of the DoD. Somehow, the public still believes that they are strong on national defense.
egregious @ 86:
Active-duty troops are like embryos and fetuses for the Republicans. They are powerful totems that they make a big deal out of defending (although in the troops case, they only defend them from some imaginary “demoralization” fostered by reckless anti-war talk). But when they pass to the next stage (birth, discharge, maiming, death), they are instantly forgotten.
It’s all a sham, just like the War On Terror which they pretend to pursue.
DarkBlack — very nice. Y’know, earlier when I saw your David Brooks snark with the D.B. suitcase with skull and crossbones? It struck me that you share the same initials and ought to adopt that D. (jolly roger) B. as your brand.
OT – a bit –
The mainstream may be waking up: not only did 60 Minutes” do a piece on contractors (focus on Custer Battles and a lawsuit against them)and their outrageous charges and lousy work, this appeared in our San Antonio paper today:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/op…..b434f.html
William Sessions, best-known as former FBI director, but known better to SA (and me, then a clerk to a Magistrate) as Chief Judge of the Western District Federal Court in the ’80’s, writing about Bush’s signing statements and the threat they pose to the Constitution.
Money quote:
The separation of powers is not a mere “technicality.” It is the centerpiece of our Constitution, and our freedoms depend upon it.
He does not neglect the share of blame Congress deserves for their supine behavior.
Really cheered me up to read this. Sessions, btw, is (was?) a Republican.
darkblack #91:
Bullseye!
Need to get darkblack’s bumper sticker on some hospital gurneys for effect.
ccmask @ 6:08 pm (#81) – In looking for that article, I was reminded that Salon also did one on the treatment of mentally ill soldiers. Especially relevant in light of the fact that the soldier accused of raping and killing that Iraqi girl was discharged due to a “personality disorder”.
http://www.salon.com/news/feat…..ex_np.html
Hey, Jane, good to see you. Hope the poodles continue well. I think perhaps you meant Lieberman is a “slippery” weasel, although “slipprey” does have a certain air to it. Given how often Boltin’ Joe changes his tune to fit the polls (or his ambitions) it is very odd that he hasn’t yet tacked on the war. It would have been easy enough to do back when Lamont was only a small spot on the horizon. No need to have done a full John Edwards; he could have supported a watered down version of “measuring progress” or something like most of the Senate Democrats got behind. Instead, with Lamont breathing down his neck, he leads off for the Republicans. It just doesn’t make sense unless, in addition to being an opportunist (which he is) he’s a stupid opportunist (which is possible) or he has some other opportunity in mind. Puzzling.
I haven’t had a chance yet to go back and read all of the earlier threads, so my apologies if someone has said this, but whazzup with BoBo thinking that Joe will gain points in Connecticut, and Ned will somehow be diminished, if BoBo compares Joe to Hubert Humphrey and Ned to Gene McCarthy? Can he really think that comparison is helpful to BoJo, since it links Iraq to Vietnam and makes a lot of the greying party faithful remember why they liked Clean Gene? The guy’s not just an embarrassment to the NYT, he’s an embarrassment to the Lieberman campaign.
using GOP talking points to bash Lieberman reminds me of Frodo being tempted to use the ring. anyone else? Where do we draw the line at their credibility? It is invariably the shrillest, most hysterical fainting-couch exaggerations based on air. I am leery of using it (not that I matter, right? Just thinking out loud.)
I think it’s nice we can reach across the aisle every once in a while and agree on something, don’t you?
Yes, that’s very bipartisan of you, Jane. It’s so nice of you to reach across to our Republican friends.
I thought it was “No Mo, Joe.”
Or “No MoJo.”
OT but this tickled my fancy. The piece of shit Time magazine’s next cover story is “Cowboy Diplomacy RIP”. Among the hundreds of comments on Huffpo was one by a third generation Texan who is sick and tired of the Bush carpetbaggers. He said that when Old Man Bush first came to Texas, he tried to eat the cornhusk on a tamale.
Also, re: Donna Brazile: I remember back in 99, when I read in the NYTs that she’d been hired to work for Gore, and my instant reaction was “Oh shit.” Same gut reaction I had when I read that Kerry had hired Shrum–”we’re fucked.”
ccmask, yep, sausage and onions and peppers, fried dough, lemonade and cotton candy. Not sure what a zeppoli is, but it might be like a cannoli, a rolled cookie filled with sweet ricotta cheese. Fabulous.
Sorry so OT, but that little parade made my day. In light of a review of the headlines and a day full of explaining the end of life process over and over again, I’ll take it where I can get it. ;-}
(NOT complaining about work, you know that, just real tired from the emotional energy involved and expended, that’s all)
chisholm #108– Yeah, what gives? Why do Democrats like to hire losers to run their campaigns? Drives me nuts!
I also hate seeing these losers on the corporate media shows representing the “liberal” pov.
Get them the fuck out of here!
Hey, I’m missing something here. Can somebody explain the bumper sticker reference or give me a link?
Thanks much.
It’s enough to make a person weep and rage at the same time. We’re sending our young men and women (and some not-so-young) to fight a war that was built on a rotten foundation. It wasn’t bad enough that we sent them with not enough equipment. It wasn’t enough that we sent them without the proper equipment. It wasn’t enough that we put what used to be military jobs into the hands of contractors who have milked the treasury like a cow at the state fair, and STILL our kids don;t have what they need. It wasn’t enough that we have had to send these kids over and over again. It wasn’t enough that the military put their benefits at risk if they were injured or killed wearing body armor sent from home.
They have to pay for their own food. Well, maybe if they weren’t paying hundreds of millions of dollars to the good folks at KBR and Halliburton – you know the people who served our troops water contaminiated with fecal matter? – we could not only let these kids eat “for free,” we might even be able to properly equip them. Oh, gosh – that might eat into the profits for all those bloated corporate types. What was I thinking???
This is nothing short of shameful. I just wonder if there is anything at all that shames these people, ’cause there’s a long, long list in my book, and so far, I haven’t seen even a shred of embarrassment or contrition or shame. Not. A. Shred.
If someone linked the Hamhocks piece, I had not seen it before. Really great job – he forgot the “venomous” between rabid and lambs, but he didn’t really need it.
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CAN WE PLEASE AT LEAST FEED OUR AMPUTATED VETERANS????????
There was a recent story about how many veterans are homeless – I’m thinking the number was in the 200,000 category. With about 40% from Vietnam.
We still haven’t learned the lessons from that war and these idiots are signing up for accelerated courses in other disasters.
To quote from that very wise man, Joe Lieberman, ‘not just inappropriate. It is immoral.’
>>>>>>>>>>
Exactly Cujo – if the rabid bloggers deflower Joe, he doesn’t have far to go to reflower.
Cujo-I read the salon article here:
http://www.physicsforums.com/a…..63455.html
Good time for a Bush quote 2 months before they started charging for food:
“So long as I’m the president, we’re never going to back down, we’re never going to give in, we’ll never accept anything less than total victory,” Bush said. The president told them twice that the American people were behind them. “You’ve got tremendous support here at home,” Bush said.
_________
Remember this blast from the past? The fake photo shop ad with Bush and the troops?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/27/22442/878
Zennurse, Joe’s campaign ran a commercial with a fake Lamont bumper sticker that said “No More Joe”, like that was Ned’s entire platform.
Riesz,
What the youngsters among us here at FDL might do is start managing campaigns — locally, then regionally; state then go national. If we created a cadre of kick-ass campaign manager/consultants we could rule the world (at least we could get some solid Dem.s elecetd).
zen: Zeppolis are the fried dough with the powdered sugar they give you in a bag. In Florida they are called funnel cakes. I make them in my wok.
Re: Lieberman’s fake bumpersticker ad. Isn’t he just doing Ned’s work for him? Which do you think sticks with the off-to-the-bathroom, get-me-a-beer crowd during a commercial the most: The image? Or the blahblah-blah that accompanies it? NO MORE JOE is a good message of Ned.
I think (and have since the Weiker bear ad) that Joe’s media folks are secret Lamont lovers.
I’ve had my TV onto CNN International which has been playing up this alleged-football — its way cool seeing all the hunky Italians guys running around in jubilation shirtless — it’s a hot time in Rometown tonight !
Down, *ilson, down.
imm @118:
They *do* seem to be making an awfully big assumption that a lot of CT Dems wouldn’t vote for someone solely on the basis of them not being Joe. I think a lot of them are saying, “You had me at ‘I’m not Joe.’”
Riesz Fischer @ 6:24 pm (#109) – Yeah, what gives? Why do Democrats like to hire losers to run their campaigns?
Reminds me of what that Republican politician was quoted as saying in Crashing The Gate:
I suspect that somewhere between those two extremes is a mean we could all be happy with.
A good bumper sticker for Joe would be “I could have been a contender”
How about…
Joe: I would have kept the tube in.
I suspect that somewhere between those two extremes is a mean we could all be happy with.
Yes, something like, “Never hire them ever again.”
I’m glad Europeans have settled down comfortably in their European Union thingie … the rampart nationalism I’ve seen in the last couple of weeks around soccer used to start major ground wars !
Thanks, Eli. I missed the link above, will follow the yellow brick road. Man, what a tool Joe is, what a trailer trash approach.
ccmask, I would love to have that recipe, I’m sure it is the same as our Fried Dough. My son would go nuts! If you don’t want to put it here, you can email me at capetannyann at yahoo dot com. I would sure be grateful, and I bet others would try it, too!
I’m glad soccer isnt a really big deal in this country or else Ghana would have been invaded last week …
Is saying one is a Lieberman Democrat the functional equivilant of saying that “The Democratic Party as we have known it for the past 75 or so years is obselete, and we are starting a new third party to oppose it, the “Lieberman Democrat Party,” although since election laws don’t allow us to usurp its name, we hare going to have to run either as Democrats or, like Joe, as independents, and when elected, like Lieberman, to give aid and comfort to the Republicans”?
As of August 8, 2006, “Lieberman Democrat” will officially be an oxymoron.
Eli, If I were Ned, I might put out a funny ad right now, with Joe saying “there you go again” over and over from the debate, then talk about the fake ad, show the “NO MORE JOE” a lot, then put up Reagan saying, “There you go again.” With the ending, “At least Ned Lamont is his own man.”
I approve this message….
*ilson actually, the bombing starts in one hour…
Zenn — Here’s link to McJoan’s story on the bumper stickers. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/9/182818/6203
Another dumb BoJo move, BTW. He gets shown to be a liar while actually doing a pretty good ad for Ned! People do think No More Joe. It’s just the Ned didn’t actually use it.
iron cage of adherence to the rules of power rather than the demands of justice. I liked this on many levels, only one of which was the thought of Bush’s lapdog getting stuffed into a traveling crate.
Anne – what you said.
Well, neuro, I’d probably say a “Lieberman Democrat” is what most people would call a Republican, but maybe I’m a little too rabid.
I’m jest a-trollin’ from Herndon, Virginiay and I’m bored out of my mind -Billy
How Brooks got hired?
Is his boss male or female?
Eureka Springs AR
That Murtha link you provided goes to a page that apparently only accepts comments if you are from his Zip Code. Am I missing something?
Billy Woods, I recommend you start with Max Weber.
immanentize at 640pm, great idea. it would make people laugh while driving home the point.
I want to get a bumper sticker made that says, “Joe: No Mojo.”
How Brooks got hired?
Is his boss male or female?
these days, it doesnt seem to matter (as if it ever did) — a letch gets it anyways it can …
Norske at 74 -
The Air Force hospital Wilford Hall is also in San Antonio. Although a lot of the staff are in Iraq. Our local anchorman just came back from there with a series of features on the Wilford Hall doctors and nurses and their duty there. We do, in fact, have lots of front-page and inside-pages stories on the wounded soldiers and their rehab. Anyone whose injury is burn-related goes to BAMC (Brook). That’s one thing about being a town whose economy has long been based on the military and retired military. This is a place that does not forget that there’s a war going on.
I guess this post is an excuse to post this again:
fact checking Brooks:
http://www.phillymag.com/artic….._paradise/
via
http://atrios.blogspot.com/200…..5245568441 851482
tejanarusa, welcome! I am a recent King William resident. I miss San Antonio and El Mirador a lot….
The “No More Joe” thing sounds to me like campaign that is awash in cash, with a candidate who is demanding “action” from his paid staff.
I understand HoJo’s concept, but to actually go to the work of creating and producing a sign against your own campaign, I find wierd. The only time I have heard of a campaign doing that, would be to create something unprofessional or an ethnic slur, that would then reflect back on the opponent.
With gas prices at record levels, causing inflation, I’m not sure I would use my contributor’s money to create a bumper sticker that said, “No More Joe.” It’s a little “too cute,” too subtle for me.
I just read John Yoo’s LA Times piece.
How many Yoos in ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
immanentize– you mean, you don’t live here any more? Just drove around KW the other day, wishing I could afford to live there.
Mary: now you see why I abolished the double-Yoo in my name !
Connecticuttians must be outraged to learn that Ned Lamont is going to outlaw coffee.
“I’m glad soccer isnt a really big deal in this country or else Ghana would have been invaded last week”
LMAO.
neurophious – Sorry was away. Found this alternative contact for Murtha. http://www.murtha.org/node/17
I live in Boston now — but when I bought my little place in KW in 1992, it was CHEAP! Right around the corner from Sandra Cisneros — along the river. No one wanted to live down there then.
Good beer at Blue Star, too.
Mary:
That Yoo essay/piece (junk) is what I call the long form of this:
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/nixon77b.mov
Brooks will stand as eternal evidence that editors should require that hirees pass an “Identify the Venomous Farm Animals” quiz before the first paycheck.
Maybe you could have an ad that starts with Ned sort of leaning up against a desk in his campaign headquarters, with a few stacks of bumper stickers and buttons, etc. on the desk.
Ned says, “We’ve been getting a lot of calls into the campaign asking for a bumper sticker that was seen on TV. We asked, “Was it this one?” (holds up a real Lamont bumper sticker). “No, that wasn’t the one.” “Was it this one?” (holds up another Lamont bumper sticker). “No, not that one either.”
“Turns out, the one these people were asking for looked like this (hold up a screen shot taken from the Lieberman ad).”
“The funny thing is that the bumper sticker in this screen shot is from my opponent’s ad; it’s a fake. We don’t have any campaign material that looks like this.”
(Looks at the screen shot and shakes his head and smiles a little.)
“If you want a Senator who knows the difference between what is real and what is phony, give us a call – we’ll send you a real bumper sticker, and with your vote, you can send a real Democratic Senator to Washington to fight for you.”
tejanarusa #146:
ABout 20 years ago I got a last-minite assignment to work a convention in SA. The major hotels were sold out, so I ended up spending nine days at the Hotel Menger. What a “trip” that was!
Mary, stay away from that stuff, it is like putting cayenne in your eyes. No value whatsoever. I was interested to see that Yoo is a guy who needs a weatherman! He is going to ride that horse right over his personal cliff.
Nice rant Anne at 6:25, thanks.
Anne. Cha-ching!
al-Scooter: an assignment: what was Mother Lieberman’s maiden name?
My God, Mary– that was awful. Now I see why you didn’t provide a link.
As we ‘dogs like to say, “Fuck Yoo”.
Any news about the Liberman/Lamont race? Who’s winning?
Did Joe approve on screen the bumper sicker commercial?
Lieberman is a duly elected lobbyist.
*ilson #159:
Marcia Manger. Why do you ask?
Al scooter- Remember when Wal-Mart apologized for using a Nazi themed ad wrt book burning and got in a lot of trouble for it?
Well,
HighGround Inc., (the Phoenix company involved with the Joe/Ned bumper sticker deal, is also the company that prepared that ad…
….the political action committee are also apologizing for the use of the photo, said HighGround President Charles Coughlin.
http://www.speroforum.com/site…..ticle=1431
Eureka:
Thanks for the link. I used it to let Congressman Murtha know that I admire his stand on the occupation of Iraq, and that I would like to see him go to Connecticut and campaign for Ned Lamont.
Eureka — great question!
Speaking of ads for Ned, this from scarecrow last night illustrates the power of the blogs. A comment like this can change an election and I hope this one does. It allows Ned to paint HoJo with Lay, Skilling, Enron and the pillaging of the CA energy markets.
scarecrow says:
July 8th, 2006 at 8:46 pm
Jane — thanks for linking to the transcript of the debate. Remember the $800 million claim? Well, it’s false. This is what Lieberman said:
But I’ll tell you why I voted for the bill. There were other parts of it, including one that I worked very hard on and lead the way, that resulted in a change in something called Lycap (ph) that the Consumer Council of Connecticut, Mary Healey says, was historic and will save Connecticut electricity customers $800 million. Would you have voted against that?
LICAP stands for Locational installed capacity, but is shorthand for a method to pay electric power plant investors payments in addition to the money they receive from selling electricity in New England. The extra payments are needed because energy prices are artificially capped below the levels that would sustain investments in new plants and investments to keep existing plants operational. Without investments, new plants don’t get built, and older plants break down and must be retired. That creates shortages and possible blackouts, if not corrected. This was particularly a problem in SW Connecticut, where there hadn’t been enough investment in either new plants or transmission lines that could bring power from surplus areas, like Maine.
Connecticut is part of the New England electricity market. An original LICAP proposal from the regional grid operator (ISO-NE) was controversion and had to be approved by federal regulators (FERC). Almost all of New England’s officials opposed the original proposal because it could have raised rates to pay for the new investment. They wrote letters to FERC, and the New England Congressional delegation inserted language in the Energy Bill asking FERC to “carefully consider” the concerns of New England officials wrt to the LICAP payments proposal. As part of its normal procedures, FERC called for negotiations to reach a settlement. The energy bill had almost no effect because it’s language was advisory and only asked FERC to do what it is required to do anyway.
The Settlement, reached a few months ago and now approved by FERC claims that it is less expensive (hence, the claim that it saved $800 million) than the original propoal, but noone honestly believes that is true, when all the costs are taken into account. The costs are simply reallocated to other parts and consumers will still pay. It was a face-saving compromise. Consumers will still pay in the end, and the total cost they will have to pay over time is probably not different from what they would have had to pay over time under the original proposal.
But Lieberman implies that the LICAP settlement/compromise that supposedly saved the illusory $800 million was in the energy bill, or caused by the energy bill that he voted for. It wasn’t. The settlement was worked out between the parties in negotiations under a FERC administrative judge. The Settlement would have occurred under FERC procedures with or without the energy bill. It was reached during the winter of 2005-06. The energy bill was passed well before that.
One more thing: Some Connecticut officials simply wanted to use the energy bill to kill LICAP altogether, not substitute a presumably lower cost alternative. Early energy bill language would have directed FERC to vote againt LICAP, period. If they had gotten their way, there might have been no solution to the investment problem and New England, and Connecticut in particular would have been well on their way to serious shortages — just like California in 2000-01.
So if I knew nothing else about Lieberman, I would vote against him for being irresponsible in handling electricity policy, never mind his bragging about a vote that did little or nothing except fool Connecticut consumers.
zennurse: Zeppoli ad to follow here soon.
shoot, I mean recipe.
Thanks for the link. I used it to let Congressman Murtha know that I admire his stand on the occupation of Iraq, and that I would like to see him go to Connecticut and campaign for Ned Lamont.
That would be incredibly damaging to Lieberman, as Murtha is an actual principled conservative Dem, and thus ideally positioned to expose Joe as the opposite.
Imman – that isn’t fair to the horse. He needs to selfpropel like Wiley Coyote. I probably shouldn’t have read it, I actually vocalized at text. Probably pointless, although the dogs were entertained and the cats frightened. Be careful, if you scream Yoooo in just the right tone, dogs will start howling.
With all your pups, *ilson, it is a VERY good thing you dropped the double Yoo.
Blank K – that link should take me to a specific piece, but it only takes me to the C & L home page – is it the Greenwald piece there that you linked?
Wonder if the AG is going to be all smirky face when he signs off on the NSA 45 day program renewal?
ccmask — can I hear that again? Lieberman’s political marketing team is most famous for using nazi images in its advertisements?
the name of the awful hotel you stayed in — but its Menger not Manger, close but not the same … oh well
not to be confused with a famous Alaskan composer either!
(Well, opposite on the principled part, anyway. And possibly the Democrat part…)
cc #165:
Thanks for the good news update! And apologize they should. Of course, if they’re the kind of agency that gets in trouble frequently, you’d have to wonder if their hiring here was a “mistake”.
Then again, maybe they’ve just strayed over the line twice in a short period.
Murtha and Maxine would sink Joe now. hehe I would pay real money for some bad chicken to see that.
Mary, sorry, forgot your sensitivities about those sweet, innocent horses. For penance, I will don the yellow tie tomorrow.
Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States.
Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-CT, September 4, 2002
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ar…..idwhat.htm
LARRY KING: Concerning Iraq, do you ever have doubts about it? Do you ever say, you know, “The country obviously turns one way. Things don’t look great sometimes. People are kind of down?” Does it ever get to you to say — and this is for both of you. Does it ever get to you to say, “Maybe, maybe it was wrong?”
G. BUSH: The decision to remove Saddam Hussein was the right decision and I’m absolutely convinced it was.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..kl.01.html
LIEBERMAN: The question that is being asked of the Democrats here in Connecticut is, will we impose a litmus test, the same kind of litmus test that we criticized the Republicans for imposing, particularly on one issue on which I have taken a principle stand, clearly not one that is to my political advantage, which is the war against terrorism
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..om.01.html
Just because horses are stupid doesn’t mean they are innocent. People make the same mistake about GW Clusterfuck.
Anne @ 6:56 pm (#154) – It probably would work as a 30-second commercial. Anyway, I like it.
What do
1. Lieberman?
2. Forcing wounded vets to pay for VA hospital grub?
3. Donna Brazille?
4. and 8-time Limo Loser Bob Schrum have in common?
ANS: Bad Political Recipes and Fucked Up Cajun Stew.
Yes, Donna Brazille “recovered” from her stint mealy-mouthing Gore’s 2000 strategy to death by … (wait for it) … writing a farking Cajun Speesee Spicy Cookbook!! And a baaad cookbook at that.
Donna baby also whined about the only person who picked her up from the curb and lifted her spirits — after the Black Crow Supremes illegally took the presidency from her client, Al Gore, and gave it to a box of rocks called George — Donna baby said the only person who was sympathetic to her was: Karl Rove!!!
Makes you wonder what Donna Brazille thinks non-persons are like, don’t it?
Then there’s Democratic Faux Consultant Bobby Schrum — 8-time Senate and National Office loser-jerk. Schrum-ster works on media / advertising commission. So he don’t give a rat’s ass if his Al Gore or Johnny Kerry wins, loses or draws breath ever again. He still gets his percentage.
And now we have Commander Codpiece cutting Veterans funding like Enron day traders beating up on your Granny … in the dark. Yes, they ARE charging returning, injured vets for their VA hospital vittles.
Me thinks that slab o lardass Cheney, disease-riddled Chimpie, Pathogenic Rummy and all the Faux Sell-Out Loser “Democratic” national consultants — like white bread Schrum and spicy little Brazille babe — would make an excellent gumbo, Mon Cher!!!
Think of the hungry vets we could feed with that Sicko Stew Pot. After we irradiate it, ‘course, for Ebolla, Hanta virus and AIDs.
Karl Rove is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I have ever met in my life ! -Billy
“I actually vocalized at text.”
ROTFLMAO.
Yoo is such a mendacious piece of crap.
There is so much wrong with that op-ed that an entire post on FDL should be devoted to destroying it. Glenn Greenwald hasn’t addressed it at all, yet.
Alright, who left the pet door up this time?
They shoot yellow ties, don’t they?
Riesz – I can’t remember who it was, but someone here broke me from linking to stuff like that.
Anne – I like it.
Thanks, imm and Cujo.
rwcole – horses are NOT stupid. Goofy, sometimes, minds of their own, yes, but not stupid.
BAGHDAD, Iraq – Masked Shiite gunmen roamed through west Baghdad’s Jihad neighborhood Sunday, dragging Sunnis from their cars, picking them out on the street and killing them in a rampage that police said killed 41 people in a dramatic escalation of sectarian violence
(AP)
We’ve turned the corner in Iraq.
Presidential training session for GW Clusterfuck:
THIS is your ass =>
And THIS is a hole in the ground=>
Thanks, Mary.
TRex we have a YooHoo clean up on isle 5. *g*
Mary;
Sorry about the link; it’s Nixon on w/David Frost post resignation. “When the President does it, that means it’s not illegal.”
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I remember it appearing on C/L a while back, and used a very open ended search term to find it. There’s a TON of stuff compiled over time that is scary how similar things are, and of course, how the current boy is so much worse.
—-
btw – the other day you made a quick comment about reading two comments that happened to fall back to back as ONE unified commment.
I had made same observation about 15 comments after the two were posted.
Politicians who “…take a principled stand…” that’s so clearly wrong and results in the ending or ruining of thousands upon thousands of lives don’t deserve to be re-elected.
Cujo, no no, I kinda like the Billy troll. I mean, who would pick such a pathetic mock-persona except for a really limited, damaged fellow? There is nothing funny about it, not even remotely clever in its cliche-soaked sadness — and everything about Billy deserves our prayers and pity.
Billy, I had no idea Russ had such enthusiastic support from the “Stars and Bars.”
I just got back from my Robert E. Lee, Best General of the 19th Century Club, where we discussed the second day at Gettysburg. Not a lot of die hard Russ support there, but I remain hopeful.
immanentize @ 7:18 pm (#194) – I was just asking how this happened. And don’t tell me it’s because a boy cousin met a girl cousin and … I mean, after that.
do a complete page reload (refresh) (F5) and you will notice Billy finally got his script right!
DoverB at 186, I’ll look forward to Glenn’s post on Yoo and I haven’t even read the OpEd yet. Glenn could make the phone book compelling.
Robert E. Lee, Best General of the 19th Century Club
Snort!
I gotta get back to reading about how Stonewall Jackson was shot by his own men. Goodnight all!
From rwcole above:
“BAGHDAD, Iraq – Masked Shiite gunmen roamed through west Baghdad’s Jihad neighborhood Sunday, dragging Sunnis from their cars, picking them out on the street and killing them in a rampage that police said killed 41 people in a dramatic escalation of sectarian violence.”
From HoJo on Thursday in his debate with Ned:
“Lieberman, …. defended his support for the war. Withdrawing now, he said, would create chaos.”
Anne—Well I have some limited experience (taking care of my neighbor’s horse growing up)- but one of my profs in grad school moved to this country because he missed his favorite horse- and he claimed they were the dumbest creatures that have ever walked the earth- he loved them dearly- but couldn’t get over the fact that they could be terrified of a tin can.
Sorry for the OT: ZENNURSE
An Italian customer of mine from Brooklyn gave me this recipe when I had my restaurant. Every Friday, I made Italian Sausage Peppers and Onion Hero’s and Zeppoli’s for dessert.
One package of dry yeast
¾ cup warm water
2 eggs
2 tbsp of granulated sugar
2 ½ cups all purpose flour, sifted
½ tsp salt
A box of confectioner’s xxx sugar
And a lot of oil
Sprinkle yeast onto water , stir to dissolve and let it stand a couple of minutes. Break eggs into yeast, add granulated sugar , then the flour and then the salt. Stir it up until it is smooth. Cover the bowl and let it stand in a warm place until it is doubled or bubbly. Then you mix it around once again and cover it up. Repeat. The entire rising operation takes about 3 hours.
I use a wok but you can use a heavy dutch oven if you have one. I like to use my wok because it has a side rack for draining off the oil. You need at least 3 or 4 inches of oil. Heat the oil to 400 degrees. Drop the dough in hot oil in balls about the size of a teaspoon—be prepared that zeppoli’s are like snowflakes—no 2 are alike when cooked! When browned on one side, flip em over and brown the other side to a golden color. Drain. Put them in a paper bag filled with the xxx confectioner’s sugar. Enjoy!
I always wonder if adding a couple of Rolaids will help with the stomache later after eating all that hot dough and sugar?
rwcole, Tin cans aren’t scary to you?
John– I think that Liberman is on the wrong side of the Iraq debate. Slow learner apparently.
John Casper, are you serious? Is there truly such a club? I’m fascinated.
Did anyone hear Madeline Albright’s slam of Bush and the Iraq “war” on the BBC today? I’ll see if I can find it, it’s a beauty.
Thanks Blank K.
Re: the threads – that does seem to be happening, doesn’t it? Synchronicity or maybe like watching virtual learning, where thoughts build on each other almost independently.
John C Not a lot of die hard Russ support there, but I remain hopeful.
Snort. Traveler would have been for Russ. Anne’s right – they are pretty smart.
Oh, cc, I didn’t mean you had to do it NOW, but I’m so glad you did. What a sweetie, thank you. I’ll let you know the response…
the cleverest thing Madeleine Albright said recently was when a reporter observed she’d lost weight — she smiled and said that what with all the official dinners she used to have to attend, she was eating for an entire country !
1,203 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOES ON AND ON AND…
tejanarusa:
Brook was a wold-class burn facility, Waletr Reed was orthopeadics (I trained there in clinical EENT and opthamology before I ended up in an Evac hospital in the ER/pre-op and on the ortho surgical team as cast and traction folk) I can’t remember the specialties for Fitsimmons and Letterman but each station hospital had a specialty and the army worked very hard to provide world class , state of the art medical delivery. Durin’ the height of the LBJ mobilization, the Army drafted all the top folks right outta residency and in some specialties like neuro-surgery they drafted ‘em outta some pretty hight powered 7 figure practices.
I have never been a gung-ho military person, far from it ‘cuz I come from a socialist/populist political history with my father and grandfather both wounded and decorated world war vets…but I am absolutely committed to a citizen military and a draft for congressional declared emergencies. I knew this was gunna happen when they started the all volunteeer military under Carter but really solidified under our second fascist president, Ronald Reagan.
Boy are we in a tub a shit…
KEEP THE FAITH BUT BELIEVE NONE A WHATCHA HEAR AND ONLY HALF A WHATCHA SEE!!!
Hi zennurse, how are you?
I’m listening right now to Glenn and David Horowitz (MP3) on Alan Colmes’ show. Pretty entertaining.
rwcole – my daughter rode for years and showed a large pony (another inch and he’d have been considered a horse) on the local and regional horse show circuit. Never been a rider myself, but have spent countless hours in the barn, and at horse shows. Some were definitley smarter than others, but I can’t say I ever “met” a horse or a pony that was truly stupid. They can be pretty jumpy, for sure, and I’ve definitely known some horses that were smarter than their riders…*g*
Got this e-mail today. Another in a long line aimed at the immigration issue. I wrote to the person who forwarded it that I hadn’t heard anything about such a senate vote. She wrote back saying that she would look into it. The e-mail has probably been forwarded to millions of people by now.
This appears to be a new political tool- forwarding anonymously written e-mails that repeat shit that may not be even close to true. It’s the perfect whispering campaign.
Anyone know anything about this issue?
tin cans?
Does the phrase “dog food” mean nothing to you men?
sheez
As stated below, the Senate voted this week to allow illegal aliens to access to Social Security benefits.
Attached is an opportunity to sign a petition that requires citizenship for eligibility to that social service.
You can Agree or Delete. Instructions are below.
PETITION FOR: President Bush , Gov. Schwarzenegger and Congressman Dana Rohrbacher
Gentlemen and Mr. President: The petition below is a protest against what the senate voted on recently which was to allow illegals to access our social security! We demand that you and all congressional representative require citizenship for anyone to be eligible for social services in the United States. We further demand that there not be any amnesty given to illegals, and NO free services or funding, or payments to and for illegal
immigrants.
We are fed up with the lack of action about this matter and are tired of “paying” for services to illegals! Tell Senor Fox to pay for his own people!
HA! Good one, Mary!
For Billy,
http://www.gatreasures.com/ima…..lyBeer.jpg
Drink about ten of them, OK? LOL
Anne @ 6:56 pm (#154) -
Brilliant!
I love it and think it would be a great ad. Especially the last line.
Nary- Yeah- and cats are afrain of chinese restuarants.
rwcole: it’s another bogus Email promulgated by the wingnuts … ya gotta be ‘legal’ to get SocSec bennies …
punaise could name his new kitty General Tsao ?
John Casper 200,
Lieberman refuses to set a deadline, and yet he offers no — zero — benchmarks or metrics to use as an alternative. Of course, he believes in permanent U.S. bases in Iraq…
The part I don’t get is how he can say that if we tell them when we’re going to leave, the enemy will wait. What’s wrong with that? Doesn’t it seem like we’d have an easier time preparing them to defend themselves if the “enemy” waited?
His optimistic outlook suggested that it would take about the same time before we could pull out troops, anyway.
immanentize @173: That’s what the linky said. Looks like it, right?
Aaaaargh – I just skimmed the Yoo piece — (had to register, etc., now I’m way down-thread -). Couldn’t read carefully – just the usual crap. But that he once again refers to the Supreme Court as “interfering”… Again, he asserts that the AUMF gives Bush all this power….grrrrrrr.
Can’t stand it. Hope Judge Sessions keeps speaking up, and that more true conservatives begin to speak up to defend the Constitution from the likes of Yoo and Bush.
And, Immananetize – you’re in Boston, now? You’re retracing my steps – haven’t lived there for over 20 years, and I still miss it. Afraid I wouldn’t recognize downtown anymore. Sigh. Doubt that I could afford to live there, either. LOL.
Thanks, Morris –
Gotta get some stuff ironed (love those natural fabrics – hate ironing), and lunch made for tomorrow. With such a short work week last week, this week looks to be the looongest week ever.
Nighty-night, all!
Wilson- I’m sure you are right- I’m curious about who does this crap. It’s genius in a way- once you start the thing circulating- it’s gets a life of it’s own- and everyone receives it from someone they know- so it has credibility.
I get them regularly and usually write back to the person who sent it to me asking whether they have any evidence that what the e-mail says is true. They always act surprised that anyone would ask such a thing.
Dover, I think I rode the elevator with you as we left the FDL breakfast in Vegas (after Dean had already started) Were you hanging with skippy a little that morning? Was that pretty blond yourself?
ccmask, this sounds like Fried Dough, but ours is fried in great flat slabs the size of dinner plates and dripping with butter, then you shake on sugar, cinammon or both. 8 bazillion calories, at least.
Say it ain’t so Joe!
Are we getting the Sunday talking head thread tonite or is Trex coming up?
rwcole @ 7:40 pm (#224) – This is the way rumors work, but apparently now they’re done in writing.
Alas, zennurse, I was not at YKos at all, except in spirit. The closest I came was sitting a few seats away from Arianna Huffington at “An Inconvenient Truth” 300 miles from Vegas the night the convention started. (No, I don’t know her.)
Oh, this is pure brainwashing. via Wolcott
“World Cup Observation [John Podhoretz]
Instead of playing the match and losing, why didn’t France simply surrender the way it always does?
Posted at 5:12 PM”
rw, apologies if needed. I was just using your quote, because I wanted to make the point that Iraq has been in chaos for quite sometime now.
I hope Ned hits him hard with that.
Thanks zen, no I was fibbing, no such club. I like Lee and I think he was a great general, although the real pro’s would probably say he was second to Napoleon in the 19th Century.
After Lincoln beat McClellan in 1864, everyone knew the war was over. Jeff Davis and others urged Lee to not surrender but to send his army out to continue as small bands of guirella fighters. Lee knew that would lead to the chaos that Iraq is in now. When Lee surrendered at Appomatox, he was taking a huge personal risk to insure a relatively peaceful reconstruction. Were it not for U.S. Grant, Lee might well have been tried and hung as a war criminal. After Lincoln’s death, Grant was the only one with the stature to stop it. There were an awful lot of Yankee parents who had lost son’s to Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia.
After the war there is a story of an African American going to the rail of Lee’s Episcopalian? Church to receive communion. No one in the congregation would go to the rail while he was there and the Pastor stopped. Then Robert E. Lee knelt next to the African American and the Pastor continued.
Unfortunately reconstruction was not as peacefull for African Americans after that.
An example of ex-confederate soldiers that failed to take Lee’s example were Jesse and Frank James and the Younger brothers.
Cujo
Yeah- but these are coming from a rumor factory- where someone is deliberately pedaling bullshit to stir up goopers about immigration. The immigration issue came virtually out of nowhere- just when many congressional goopers badly needed an issue.
It’s VERY effective- goopers pass the shit on and assume that it’s true- never bothering to verify anything. The rumor factory never signs the shit- so it’s got no liability. It’s genius.
Oh, well, for some reason I thought it was you, Dover. Maybe next year, yes?
I’ll see your movie with Arianna and raise you a Cirque de Soleil 4 seats away from Liam Neeson. I thought my best friend was going to faint. Very tall human being, likes chocolate.
op99 @38
I would hazard a wild guess that cable news producers concur that Brooks & his clones are embarrassments but oh so useful.
Karl Rove is still the nicest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I have ever met !
- Billy (Bob)…..LOL
John- Frank n Jesse- two of my ancestors! Wasn’t really clear that they were still fighting the war though- they had- well- broadened their scope a bit.
I’ll see your movie with Arianna and raise you a Cirque de Soleil 4 seats away from Liam Neeson. I thought my best friend was going to faint. Very tall human being, likes chocolate.
Went to grade school with Christian Slater, Martha Plimpton, and Messy Marvin (who I once hit in the head with a dress shoe). Had a high school classmate whose dad was dating Maud Adams – didn’t believe it until I saw her at graduation.
Zen: That kind I don’t know with the butter. I do have a good recipe for funnel cakes….if you want that I’ll dig it out and put it up next Saturday.
Aw man, Firedoglake must be developing a reputation on the dark side – this site has been remarkably free from trolls. At least Billy admits he is one.
John Casper, that is a wonderful story, thank you for writing it for me. I am constantly amazed at the breadth of your knowledge, perception and wit.
refresh ( F5 ) to see Billys revised remarks !
John Casper @ 7:47 pm (#231) – although the real pro’s would probably say he was second to Napoleon in the 19th Century.
John Keegan seems to think that Admiral Nelson was the best. He might be a little biased, though.
ccmask 228 — TRex is headed to the beach and I don’t know what time Roger will be up. For Late Nite, you get me.
I’m thinking of making it all about manpris. I was inspired by the FUBAR thread today.
Zan – brave words from the man whose team lost to – as Jon Stewart observed – one of the least malnurished countries in Africa. While he’s waxing philosophical, maybe he can figure out why the US team didn’t ust stay the course ?
If they had just stuck around for another 3-4 years, they might have won.
rwcole – maybe contact them and tell them that you heard from someone that it’s just Mexican bankers that Bush wants to give our Soc Sec to when he privatizes it. But it is still pretty bad and maybe they could revise the petition and re-send it to you?
For Late Nite, you get me.
I don’t mind.
*ilson nice move
Billy=Jeff Gannon
*ilson46201 @ 7:53 pm (#242) – Thanks, *ilson. Does this guy keep using different IP addresses?
“The part I don’t get is how he can say that if we tell them when we’re going to leave, the enemy will wait. What’s wrong with that? Doesn’t it seem like we’d have an easier time preparing them to defend themselves if the “enemy” waited?”
You’re exactly right Dover. Kerry has a great soundbyte reply to that. He says we’re “enabling” the Iraqi’s not to fight the battles they have to fight.
People don’t understand that the “floor” is not civil war in Iraq, it is civil war in the region. Iraq and the ME were better off with Saddam. That’s just a fact, imo.
Most of the groups, Kurds, Sunni’s and Shiia and their subgroups have certain very narrow scenarios in which they may want us to stay to help them advance their narrow interests. For the most part, though, we are just the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong.
We weaken our own military and our economy every day we stay. There are no “military” objectives. This is “nation building,” pure and simple, exactly what Reagan detested and what our Armed Forces is NOT trained for.
Billy=Jeff Gannon
I thought JimmyJeff was more of a Bulldog?
sure, cc, I’d love that. I always miss those threads but read them on Monday or Tuesday when I “wake up” like sitting down with a good cookbook or magazine.
Eli, who is Messy Marvin?
he uses a fixed IP address but as a mere stagehand, I dont have access to the filtration rooms yet …
I don’t know whether this has been posted here yet–Arianna Huffington “What the Hell is Barbara Boxer Thinking?”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..24516.html
Eli, who is Messy Marvin?
Peter Billingsley, also the star of A Christmas Story. He did a series of commercials for some milk-chocolatener, where he would make a mess out of everything he did, *except* using Hershey’s (or whoever’s) syrup to make chocolate milk.
Eli
Is Peter any relation to Barbara?
I’ve been going back and reading the FUBAR thread and it is inspiring. SO far not to the point that I’ve been tempted to hit the streets in search of manpris, but inspiring.
Isn’t the Senate going to be doing a seersucker manpris day soon?
Not so far as I can tell, neuro.
Youse guys hard on Billy Troll…
Here Billy’s advice (which I’m sure you will recommend sticking up Billy’s arse!!)
Thanks rw.
Who was the real bad ass, Frank or Jesse?
History channel said it was Frank who killed the clerk in Northfield, because he wouldn’t hand over the money.
Yes, you are quite right about them not fighting the war after Appomatox. I think they liked to hide behind the Robin Hood thing a little though. I guess the story about not stealing from the guy with callouses on his hand is accurate. It may have also been fed, because they founght with Quantrill’s raiders, not a “regular” unit in the Civil War.
What I have heard though, is that their last job, Northfield MN, was specifically up North, because they were sick of robbing banks with the money of Confederate Veterans.
BTW, is your wife’s health ok? You mentioned a scare awhile back. No news is good news.
or Sherman Billingsley?
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or Sherman Billingsley?
Great-grandnephew.
I read most of the Fubar thread, but I must have missed the part about manpris–what is it?
Arrrrrrrrrr……..
NewsMax.com, one of America’s leading online news services, is conducting an urgent national online poll.
“Urgent”?
ba careful around here, Billy! there are some practicing homosexuals that could always get in some more training !
Mary @ 7:55 pm (#245) – Yeah, let’s start our own bizarre rumors to counter their bizarre rumors. Oh, just be sure to put the “quote marks” on each line you write so people think your quoting someone else. Maybe even do two different quote marks.
> Someone I used to know back in my agency days told me that
> there’s no truth to the rumor that George W. Bush wants to
> sell our ports to Tunisian spice pirates. It’s Albanian
> ice pirates. Hey, have you looked in your freezer lately? Is
> the same amount in there now as the last time you looked?
> Might want to send our President a letter and explain to
> him that tolerance for ice piracy undermines our
> American way of life. Of course, you didn’t hear this from me,
> because I wasn’t really here.
Might need to add a few misspellings and grammatical errors to get the right effect.
John Casper
I used to live in Lawrence, KS. William Quantrill is still hated there.
ba careful around here, Billy! there are some practicing homosexuals that could always get in some more training !
What about petitioning homosexuals?
John–Don’t have any inside information. Their mother was a Cole- and directly related to my father’s family. Don’t remember posting anything about a health scare- maybe it was tin canittis.
Manpris are Capri pants- everyone’s wearing them.
Oh, I’m sorry rw, I missed that (re your wife, Gisela, isn’t it?). Please let us know ,if you feel comfortable.
Manpris are Capri pants- everyone’s wearing them.
Further proof that I’m nobody, then.
Via Atrios:
The Rabid Lambs of the Blogosphere
Nim:
As you are so fond of explaining to the rabid pre-teens on the internets what is really good for them, let me explain what’s good for all of you: NOT calling the exercise of democracy “fascism” or “purging.” Some people with websites do not hold the reins of governmental power. They do not direct party funds. They don’t run the military. They have, in other words, no actual power. What they have are opinions and some facts. Sort of like yourselves. When they advocate the election of Ned Lamont, the only ability they have to effect this is to convince people that he is a worthy candidate. Worthy of votes, donations, and word of mouth to Connecticut voters. The voters of Connecticut will decide whether they agree. This is the point you seem to be missing. If enough voters in Connecticut decide that their views will be better represented by Ned Lamont than by Joe Lieberman, he should be elected. Right? This is how democracy works. If you disagree, you are just as free as Markos, or Jane Hamsher, or Atrios, to make your argument why Joe Lieberman is the better choice.
Let me suggest, however, that “Joe follows his conscience” and “Joe is bipartisan” may not be compelling reasons for a voter who does not agree with Mr. Lieberman on the substance of his beliefs. And when you attack the rabid lambs of the blogofascisphere, you’re insulting and denigrating not the purported kingmakers of the internet, but the people who read and contribute to these sites. This is the second mistake you’ve been making. Markos, Atrios and the rest do not have monopolies on truth any more than you do, and their audiences are quite aware of this. What the popular bloggers provide is not the shining light of truth, but fora. They’re basically glorified party hosts, and if the party ends, or the host starts acting like an ass, the party will go elsewhere. But it won’t go away. It could even end up back on your doorsteps, if you had opinions and information that were of interest.
In the meantime, however, I have not seen any of you offer a compelling reason why a Connecticut voter should cast his or her ballot for a candidate that does not represent that voter’s views as well as another candidate. Maybe competence or ethics would be a good reason, but nobody has offered any evidence that Lamont would be unethical or inept, apart from the fact that he would be new at the job. Which, of course, every officeholder is at some point.
thanks, ccmask. I’m not…
Thanks Cujo, is Keegan the real deal?
I was reading EPU, about him, and I thought Keegan’s appraisal of Clauswitz sounded a little harsh.
Wasn’t Nelson just Navy? Why wouldn’t Keegan have a separate category for Navy?
Cujo 268 – ROFL.
Pirates bad.
It could be a fun way to spend an afternoon.
Esp with two different kinds of quotes. “Pirates” ‘bad’
Zenn–Gisela’s fine- can’t remember posting anything about her health. (I lost a previous wife to breast cancer- perhaps I wrote something about that once- but I don’t recall it.) At any rate- thanks for asking.
I never looked good in capris. I’m too tall.
urban pirate @ 8:07 pm (#275) – That’s a good description of what’s going on out here. I doubt Brooks or any of the rest will figure that out, though.
I probably wouldn’t look any worse in capris than anything else…
Actually, for most of my young adulthood I deliberately wore much, much worse.
Um, did you notice the list of pundits on that NewsMax site? No wonder they adore Coulter.
Ruddy
Limbaugh: Hillary’s Democrat Problem
Ponte: Calderon Victory and Bush Agenda
Metcalf: Are You a Medical Guinea Pig?
Falwell: Ruling for Traditional Marriage
Reagan: Stem Cells: Science or Politics?
Estrich: School vs. Church Buses
Putnam: Our Bloated Immigration Monster
Navrozov: China: New Act in World History
de Borchgrave: Taliban Resurgence
Koch: The Latest Palestinian Attack
Williams: Thoughts on Egypt
Dr. Laura Schlessinger: In the Magazine!
Bill O’Reilly: In the Magazine!
Thomas Sowell: In the Magazine!
Eureka Springs, AR – you still here? Are you still looking for a gmail invite?
neurophius says
July 9th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
Well said neuro.
Nat Turner(abolition), John Brown (abolition), Quantrill (slavery), this nation has a long history of “terrorist” like actions, which we “ignore at our peril.” It’s not like it just happens in the ME.
As times change, yesterday’s terrorists, become today’s heroes and vice versa.
Nelson wasn’t the best general of the 20th century cuz he wasn’t, you know, a general. Napoleon wasn’t the best admiral of the 19th century, either. Though Naploeon did wear things that looked suspiciously like manpris.
Nelson, 19th, not 20th. Dammit.
ccmask 262 – at least Newsmax is following good journalistic practices and telling you the “Important” stuff — last.
Manpris? If a tin can of dogfoot next to the bowl of kitty chow at the seedy restaraunt doesn’t scare you, rwc, maybe nothing will.
But this should.
http://blogs.bakersfield.com/d…..npris.html
Would wearing a manpurse with your manpris just be entirely too much?
Eli
Yes, yes it would be too much.
zennurse says
July 9th, 2006 at 7:53 p
You are so kind, I am blushing.
Mary–
Manpris eh? Never heard of em– but a whole can of dog foot? Not that WOULD be scary. Gourmet item I expect?
Merriam-Webster Online and Wikipedia haven’t heard of manrpis, but Google Images has…
http://www.mickropolis.com/pics/manpris.jpg
Leslie – Yes I sure am. acoolway at earthlink por favor.
of course they haven’t heard of manrpis, but they haven’t heard of manpris, either.
Merriam-Webster Online and Wikipedia haven’t heard of manrpis, but Google Images has…
The mankini as well.
No, I will not link.
Oh, manpris, you came and you gave without taking…
First they came for the Nehru jackets, but I didn’t speak out because I was too poor to buy one.
Then they came for the leisure suits, but I didn’t speak out because I was too busy to buy one.
When they came for the manpris, there was no one to tell me they made me look fat.
Now that I know what manpris are, I hate them.
I hated them before, I just didn’t know what they were called.
Eureka, on its way now.
John Casper @ 8:08 pm (#277) – I don’t know, but I think Keegan was just looking at the things that make a commander a good one. The Keegan book I read was Intelligence In War, an excellent book, BTW, if you’re interested in what information commanders need and how they make use of it. In one chapter, he describes Nelson’s pursuit of the French fleet through the Mediterranean to Egypt, which was quite a saga. Keegan said that he thought Nelson was the ideal combination of leader, analyst, and communicator. Incidently, he gives Grant very high marks, as well. I suspect Grant was underrated, partly because what he contributed to the Union cause was what Keegan refers to as “bloody mindedness”. McLellan was a smart general, but he wasn’t willing to see the army he created destroyed.
Looks like I’m rambling, but that’s the gist. For me, Intelligence In War was instructive, because what I used to do with DoD was work on command and control systems. Always good to understand the underlying requirements.
Why would ANYONE wear ANYTHING besides shorts, golf shirt, and sandals?
Some things are too hard to figure out.
Oww, my EYES! Damn you, google image! Damn you, manoris!
I never went to Newsmax. I was at the Guardian and it was a pop up poll/coulter ad.
rwcole, look up Temple Grandin. I’ve read a few pieces of her work and it’s fascinating.
OK here’s the link I meant:
http://www.grandin.com/inc/visual.thinking.html
Eli – No, I will not link.
A grateful nation thanks you.
A grateful nation thanks you.
You. Have. No. Idea.
In our house we call manpris by another name: pygmy pants. I’m not a fan.
I always want to say to people wearing manpris “Why don’t you have a party and invite your pants down to your ankles”.
I have no idea what manpris are, but I’m sure I wouldn’t be caught dead in them unless they’re what I’m wearing right now.
In our house we call manpris by another name: pygmy pants. I’m not a fan.
Girlfriend calls them clamdiggers. Or high-waters. Muttered something about Urkel.
Manpri looks so Old Navy or straight to Ross.
Thank you so much Leslie.
Clamdiggers is so pre 911 though
Thanks for not linking the mankini, Eli. You had our best interests at heart.
Unfortunately, I had to go and look anyway. Oh my god!
Just up on the NYT homepage an article on the Santorum-Casey campaign in PA…speaking of dogs…
If we pups have time for a little multi-state tasking, Santorum’s new brochure, titled “Fifty Things You May Not Know About Rick Santorum.” simply begs for a little FDL-style listing of the 50 things we think Pennsylvanians should know about Santorum. Maybe a Late Night?
Unfortunately, I had to go and look anyway. Oh my god!
There are some things mankind is not meant to know.
OK Guyzzzzz….
- The world wasn’t been invented in our lifetime believe it or not! There’s a bit of history out there.
- Speaking of which, please take a history course (an objective one preferrably). Spend some time on WWII and Winston Churchill.
- Travel….travel “makes you smarter” and helps reinforce what a great country we live in.
- If you really “support our troops,” stop revelling in any hyberbole that indicts our troops before any facts are known…..this is really beyond the pale.
….I really, truly LOVE our great country, warts and all.
No more input from this troll….
Bye-bye…forever….so-sorry…..Billy
So…now we’re talking about ugly pant-like manifestations, rather than bitching about Lieberman. You’d think Joe would be a bottomless well of snark, but I guess not.
I wonder if Joe owns any manpris?
I’m with Eureka. I see those things, and I think “Old Navy clearance rack.”
If we pups have time for a little multi-state tasking, Santorum’s new brochure, titled “Fifty Things You May Not Know About Rick Santorum.” simply begs for a little FDL-style listing of the 50 things we think Pennsylvanians should know about Santorum. Maybe a Late Night?
I would like to request that the fetus-in-a-jar (or possibly *not* in a jar) story be #1.
I wonder how much the guy had to pay the two girls to be photographed with him.
Word’s uptown, by Roger!
I wonder if Joe owns any manpris?
I bet darkblack’s on it.
Manpri looks so Old Navy or straight to Ross.
Just the thing for an evening of ice piracy.
Margot- thanks- very interesting- did you offer me this because of the tin can comments?
Thanks Cujo.
NorskeFlamethrower 51
How do you reason that an Independent Lieberman is good for the Democratic party? Seems to me if Ned wins the primary,& Lieb goes Indy, we’ll have a three-way for November – a Democrat, a former democrat (small d) and a Republican guy. The Democratic vote will be split giving a better than likely chance for the Republican guy to win. If the R wins the Dems lose a valuable seat. Even Lieberman ( god help me) would be better than that . . .
Damnable ice pirates! I was just in the freezer, and there is a tray with NO cubes in it. I thought Bush was going to keep us safe from those damnable ice pirates. Dammit.
Please, don’t anybody tell the manpris (or the ice pirates) that there’s a new thread.
Nice catch on the “Rubber Stamp” Prarie Sunshine.
Billy [don’t be a] Woods: Here’s some advice for you – when you come to a new blog and start commenting, actually read what people write there first. It might help you narrow down the list of what you need to advise them on to the things that actually make sense.
And don’t let the pet door hit your ass on the way out.
Eli 306, this is one case where ignorance is truly bliss.
Manpris are for young skinny boys who don’t skateboard. Bikinipris are for those who would rather be at a swingers beach imo.
rwcole, yes, because of the tin can comment.
Eureka, you’re most welcome.
And btw, if any of you should ever need one, I am a veritable cornucopia of Gmail invitations. Ask and ye shall receive.
cleter @ 8:32 pm (#326) – One tactic that seems to repel the depradations of ice pirates is starting the icemaker. They’re much less in evidence when I do that.
Another possible tactic is to train the other members of your household how to re-fill the ice trays when they’re empty. This is usually much less effective than the icemaker one.
One tactic that seems to repel the depradations of ice pirates is starting the icemaker. They’re much less in evidence when I do that.
Why would I not want Mary Crosby in my apartment?
rwc – pawsitively a gourmet item.
manpris – you only looked bad until someone mentioned mankinis.
Eli @ 8:37 pm (#335) – You have a point, as long as she doesn’t bring Robert Urich.
manpris – you only looked bad until someone mentioned mankinis.
*whistles tunelessly and sidles toward the exit*
You have a point, as long as she doesn’t bring Robert Urich.
What about Ponytail Anjelica Huston?
Cujo – you mean he wasn’t concerned about the hyperbolic revelling in the rumor that the troops will be redeployed to fight Algerian ice pirates in manpris.
That would the be pirates in the manpris.
Do baseball players wear manpris? Did Ben Franklin wear manpris? Does the president manpris-on sunday- alone on the pig ranch- just a little?
pirates in manpris – pirapris?
Mary @ 8:41 pm (#340) – you mean he wasn’t concerned about the hyperbolic revelling in the rumor that the troops will be redeployed to fight Algerian ice pirates in manpris.
Before that happens, the Algerians will be trying to figure out how to sell their booty to the shivering staff of Satan’s ice palace.
That would the be pirates in the manpris
Good thing, too. I’ve never seen them in the uniform shops. That would be the military’s uniform shops, not the pirates’.
Looks like there’s a new thread, so Head On up there.