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The other day, after spending time rambling about the Hamdan decision (and trying to entice an unclaimed kitten in the barn out from behind stacks of horse blankets) I came across a post that, like so may on FDL, was hard to ignore. Vampire Willow doing a PSA for GOTV.
The comments took the already meaty topic (and a few others as well) and ran with it (them). FDL comments multi-task. Sometimes hitting so many aspects is such quick succession it leaves you dizzy. I love it. Who needs a ticket for the roller coaster when you have FDL?
As usual, they made me think, even more so because I know nothing about the topic. So this post is about comments. It’s also a post that is about something completely out of my depth – GOTV. I haven’t been very political in my life, except during the Vietnam War, when I couldn’t vote. After the war, there was a sense of the worst being over. Now I know it’s not over and I can vote. This post is also about something everyone has experienced – being unmarried. Here, I am so “in my depth” that my ankles aren’t even wet. How is this related to Vampire Willow? Only FDL & Jane would find the seemingly obscure thread that links the unmarried to the undead. Neither group votes.
GOTV and the Unmarried
This is my condensed and culled reaction from the posts and info in the Bored and a couple of following posts. Condensed and culled. If you think you hear thunder, it’s probably just the universe laughing.
From the original FDL post I learned the women favor Dems, 2 to 1, for this November. I also learned that there are 20 million unmarried women who don’t vote and they are the single largest demographic for non-voters. Rayne had a tremendous link to AAUW information, and most of the comments focused on unmarried women. However, from tracking through the comments, I also found that about 19 million unmarried men don’t vote. IMO, the unmarrieds are allied together, like the unmarried and the undead.
What is the nature of that alliance? “Unholy?” you ask, with a little trepidation? Not really. “Uninhibited?” ask the Rude Pundit readers, with a voice full of hope and wist? Sadly, not always. “Understandable?” That’s the one. Whether unmarried or undead, we know someone is just waiting out there to drive a stake through our hearts. Lengthy incisors may be the most direct way to handle those foes – piercing the jugular of your opponent and leave a few bloodless, lifeless bodies in your wake. There is, however, a less dramatic, less messy and still leaves room for dessert option. Voting.
So what does it take to get the unmarried to vote? Lots of great comments and anecdotal and geographic responses were in the comments and I want to work a few of them in and hope to get more, but they took on some different meanings for me when I clicked through the “Women Voices, Women Votes” link provided by katymine. (katymine says: July 1st, 2006 at 6:35 pm).
There I found a detailed, 80+ pp study full of stuff I didn’t know. So I read it. First, in my defense, it has lots of white space and graphs and charts. Second, I did mention that I was not going down the salacious path of a Rude Pundit. If for no other reason than that the *($#@ ^ birds ate the breadcrumbs while I slept in. Anyway, there were a lot of things I hadn’t thought of in the study. (slow loading pdf).
Things have changed. In the 1950’s, over ¾ of American households were headed by a married couple, but by 2008 more than ½ will be headed by an unmarried person. Unmarried men have gone from less than 5% of the population before 1960, to about 20% now and comprise 40% of American men. Unmarrieds are becoming a much more significant group, with their demographics worth some examination.
The study says single men and women are both more likely to be “populist” on economic issues than their married counterparts. In context of the study – that means they support government assistance and support for healthcare, education, poverty programs, etc. The very antithesis of the Republican, anti-New Testament approach that has increased the ranks of the poor and put education and healthcare further and further from the reach of even the middle class.
This has to be bothersome for Republicans, who seem well aware that the rabble ranks are growing; particularly the ranks of unmarried women. Unfortunately for the Wurlitzer, these unmarried women are, according the study, less likely than the population at large to a) listen to talk radio; b) watch news programs, c) read the paper, and d) attend church. The study finds that unmarried women are more “socially tolerant” than their married counterparts.
This is not the same as socially liberal, though. For example, on abortion:
“Unmarried women are not much more likely to think abortion should be legal. A majority (55 percent) of unmarried women support legal abortion, compared to 51 percent of married women. These women are, however, more likely to hold negative feelings toward pro-life, anti abortion groups; less than a third (29 percent) of unmarried women hold a favorable view of pro-life groups, compared to nearly half (45 percent) of married women (Democracy Corps).”
From a follow up thread/post, Siun had a similar message. She posted “from what I see with young women (and my dtr is 20 and loves voting btw) is that abortion does not connect with them as an issue” (siun says: July 1st, 2006 at 10:45 pm).
Unmarried women and men both tend, more than the average population, to not own their own homes. They move more, have lower wages and according to the study, are not as connected with their communities (belong to local organizations, churches, etc.). A full 17% of unmarried women DO NOT OWN A CAR. That is almost one in five. There were a bazillion comments about the fact that transportation, and very likely childcare, were integral to a GOTV effort for unmarried women. Amen and get the keys.
Or, as pointed out, in some places, get the “absentee” ballots. That was something that had not occurred to me. Now that it’s been raised, IMO, for the future a push for expanding mail in ballot rights in many states would be a terrific undertaking. For now, a very good reference source with requirements (the requirements vary from state to state for mail in ballots, from very tight, to lax, or even, as Cozumel pointed, to required for Oregon, where all votes mail in) and options would be handy.
Mail-ins don’t just address the issues of no car, overworked, no time and no childcare (as if that were all a “just”). Several commenters posted that first time voters or those who had not voted for a long time are very uncomfortable with, almost scared of, the process. That strikes me as being very believable, although not addressed in the study per se. I think it *could* be much less intimidating for many to sit down at home, able to ask questions, take their time and not have to deal with strangers in a strange place for a strange function. After looking at some of the forms, though, I have to say some were drafted with unfriendly ink.
Are there other ways to demystify the process for unmarried who haven’t been voters? I wonder about a blitz of efforts to make all the aspects of registering and voting much more familiar. If the administration puts out VRNs, why can’t the DNC or other NGOs that work for voter issues do the same? I don’t really know the FCC rules on this, but it seems a perfect issue for a canned piece that really walks through all the steps in the process. Or maybe some pressure for local news to do reports? The photo ID issues alone would seem to justify some news stories on the local level.
More and more states are requiring photo ids and there are some Federal issues now as well. No cars = no licenses, so unmarried women are disproportionately impacted. You can, of course, get photo ids just for voting, if you understand the process and have the energy and discretionary income (even if they are free, getting the certification or copies you need may not be free). Despite assurances to the contrary, it seems to me as if getting that photo ID can be an accomplishment on a par with getting your Picture on the Cover of the Rolling Stones. Do you have primary id? Is it certified? Do you have secondary id? Is it authenticated? One from column A, three from column B, wait in line at DMV for all afternoon, then get sent home because you don’t have one of the things you need. Efforts to get out more info on photo id would seem to be a good idea to me, especially since by 2008 even more states will have this requirement. Unfortunately, as mentioned, local news efforts are not as likely to reach unmarried men and women, but for those they do reach, it might be worth the effort.
What might reach more? The study says unmarried women are more likely to watch soap operas and daytime talk (and reality shows). What about soap story lines on voting? Some daytime talk segments, maybe an Oprah show, that deal with details on registering and voting. If a big segment of their viewers are unmarried women, a topic highlighting this issue for unmarried women and offering the steps they can take to become a part of the process might have some appeal? The “hair salon” concept from the comments seems like it could stand some focus and expansion as a possibility too.
Unmarried men? Heck if I know other than sports programming. I gotta think if you could own the pizza box print, you might be able to covertly program them, but right now I haven’t developed that beyond a plotline for a B movie. Or maybe a DOD grant proposal. If you do reach them, “. . . unmarried men expressed similar concerns to unmarried women, though their economic concerns were more narrowly about jobs and wages than issues like healthcare and retirement security.” They also just don’t lose a lot of sleep over other people’s moral values. “Unlike married people, unmarried men expressed very little concern about moral values, with only 16 percent of unmarried men stressing these concerns, compared to 26 percent of married men.” The concept of Rude Pundit as a demographic is a bit much to digest in one sitting.
What else? “They also expressed their concern and hostility towards the war in Iraq.” Finally, for me the beginning and the end, where I first flirted with activism as an underage protestor, and now am being drawn back as an overage protestor. The war. For unmarried women, the study says it is a huge issue.
“On Election Night,2004, unmarried women were primarily concerned with the situation in Iraq (39 percent) and with the economy and jobs. They were less likely than married women to cite terrorism and national security or moral values as their leading concerns.”
Unmarried women are more insulated from the Wurlitzer (see above), but they are also insulated from a lot of liberal information sources. Their discontent seems to have evolved more separate from spin. And their discontent was big in 2004. Iraq was their number one issue and 69 percent thought the country was on the wrong track. Unmarried men, too, put Iraq near the top (second), also with 39%, but they ranked economy and jobs first as their concern.
IMO, Dems who want to attract a chunk of these almost 40 million no-voters have been thrown a lifeline from “the rabble of the left” on the war. Their failure to truly distinguish themselves on this and range of other issues would seem to be a tremendous “de-motivator” to the unmarried, because the survey shows – they want change. They are much more likely than their married counterparts to say the country is on the wrong course. They don’t want to have a beer with George Bush. They don’t have to click Tweety and Fox off, because they never clicked them on. For unmarried men and women, the stats from the survey and comment from the posts both seem to indicate the motivator would be the same. Change.
How do Dems motivate with a message of “we’ll do the same thing on the war - no change?”
How do Dems GOTV for programs where they do offer change, with a system that is fighting them tooth and nail to make it difficult for the unmarried to vote?
Do they care?
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Mary! Fitz!
Now I have to go read the post.
Secondsies, uns uns!
Good points about reaching out to the unmarried. They could be like the Religious Right is for the Republicans if we can get them to go out and vote.
Great post filled with great ideas! I’m a single woman but I vote. I guess I’m going to have to find at least 10 girls who don’t!
Excellent points (missed the original discussion thread, so appreciate the recap) I did see a post at DailyKos about targeting non-voters, and talking about issues. Thank those who’re registered and who plan to vote, but intentionally engage with those who are unregistered. Emphasis on making it non-threatening, non-partisan, but increasing involvement and participation.
Mary, terrific job on the demograhics of both genders.
Today’s candidates have to segment their advertising and “get out the vote” efforts. This group needs to be further broken down by ethnicity, education, and ofcourse the Digital Divide.
My guess is this group has a disproportionately large percentage of learning disabilities, joblessness, substance abuse issues, and incarceration. Ethnic sensitivity probably matters more in communicating with these groups than with other voter groups.
the seemingly obscure thread that links the unmarried to the undead. Neither group votes.
I really hadn’t thought about that, Mary. But you’re absolutely right.
Thanks so much for doing all the heavy lifting. A really important post and I hope it sparks a lot of activity around here.
Great diary! I have two sisters that are single mothers who have FINALLY gotten more involved each year…starting with 2004. My two little nieces are now very involved as well. Thanks for the diary and information.
I really appreciate the tremendous sensitivity you show to the hurdles unmarried women voters are likely to face, especially from an economic/disenfranchised perspective. I think John Casper above is probably right, there are probably disproportionately large numbers of such people within this group, and those particular issues are probably going to vary by region.
“The concept of Rude Pundit as a demographic is a bit much to digest in one sitting.”
As much as I enjoy Rude Pundit, I have to agree with you. Great writing. Thnaks.
John - the study did include a breakout on hispanic women in particular, as a particularly underperforming voting segment. A lot of interesting information. It surprised me that unmarried men are about the lowest “tv addict” demographic around.
And the numbers for unmarried women accessing the internet were very small. The driving mechanisms - MSM, talk radio, blogs, etc - none of them seem poised to deliver a message to unmarried women and their main issue is not being discussed by anyone much other than Murtha.
The demographics need more breakdown, as well, because obviously unmarried older women who might be widows would likely have different concerns than younger unmarried women and unmarried women who are divorced or happily single may be very different than unmarried women who are in college or in the “soon to be married” category. Still, as an overall demographic with so many facets - the fact that the would break two to one for either party is interesting in a country where races have been 48/52 or tighter margin affairs.
That fascinates me - so much diversity and yet a relatively strong commonality. The fact that Rove is just not going to get their attention with Limbaugh, Dobson, O’Reilly, etc. is great - but Dem’s aren’t going to reach them with blogs or newsmags either.
Mary, great post. I think you touched on a big part of the problem, that many unmarrieds are “disconnected” from social organizations. When you are “rootless”, you do not feel as though you have much of a stake in the political process … so why bother? Therein lies the key: unmarried need legitimate answers to the “why bother” question. When you are not part of a strong community, it is easy to feel as though your voice, your opinions, and your vote do not matter … you get used to the idea that nobody listens to you, or is particularly concerned with your well-being.
Mary - a splendid and nicely written post!
Couldn’t we just get Willow to do that ritual with scythe again? It worked with turning potential Slayers into the real deal, why not potential voters?
Besides, she looked really cool doing it!
Perhaps not surprisingly, the only age group more underrepresented in voting turnout than young women is young men. this report (PDF file) shows that this gap has been widening in the last decade or so.
If young people don’t think that voting makes a difference in their lives, we old folks need to remind them of why 18 year-olds are now allowed to vote in the first place. The Twenty-Sixth Amendment, which gave Americans 18-21 the right to vote, was passed after the Vietnam War, which was fought primarily by draftees who were too young to vote. The most memorable slogan of the campaign to lower the voting age was this one:
Old Enough To Fight, Old Enough To Vote
How many of those faces you see on the NewsHour’s “Honor Roll” are under the age of 25? The majority, I think. These are kids who will never get to raise their own families, have careers, and grow into bitter old pensioners. The majority of their lives are gone, because our leaders were too stupid or greedy to avoid an avoidable war, just like Vietnam.
Bruce Springsteen once observed to young fans at a concert that “faith in the system can get you killed”. That was about the time he released Born In The USA, which was a song and an album about the post-Vietnam experience. The system won’t respond to anyone who isn’t willing to participate in it. Or, as the fictional President Bartlett once observed “Decisions are made by those who show up”. If you don’t show up, don’t complain when the decisions don’t go your way.
I’ve never missed a major election since I was old enough to vote. I’ve absorbed the lesson of what can happen when you don’t. If young people think their lives are too busy to become informed about the issues and vote, then I have just one thing to say to them: “Here’s your uniform. The front’s thataway, and have lots of fun.”
OT! OT!
There’s a internets war on NOW! Everywhere! The General, Atrios, Sadly, No! Can Firedogs DO NOTHING to help STOP THE THREAT?
Mary, ref: the photo ID requirement, many states already require photo ID. Their DMVs are set up to hand them out. Partly this is for the purpose of “carding” young people at bars. There may be other reasons as well.
I think the whole voter suppression issue is an interesting one. While I don’t agree that the Ohio 2004 Bush/Kerry outcome was altered by it, some local races might have been, and there are certainly other examples of this behavior in other states. As far as I’m concerned, if you have the right to vote, you should be allowed to vote. The ID requirements should be minimal.
Yea Mary! Thank you.
Thank you AC.
The lack of roots has an impact in lots of ways. One is that unmarried men and women both move much more than married men and women. I need to go back and look at the numbers, but unmarried women moved LOTS. Even if they did make social organization contacts, they lose or have to renew them more frequently.
Unmarried demographics tend to own their own home much less than their married counterparts too. That not only means less stability, but when, like recently, we have strength in home prices as the main economic highlight, it means they are cut out of that. IMO, the mortgage interest deduction is one of the greatest tax policies for supporting the middle class that we have - yet unmarried individuals don’t share in that that benefit, or in the tax-free value increase of their homes, at least, not to the extent of their married counterparts.
The lack of transportation probably impacts on social organization contacts as well. When you add on the fact that there is no solid clear message being sent on the main issues that interest them - and if it is being sent it is not reaching them - and it’s not hard to see that they are undermotivated to vote.
In addition, I think that if you haven’t voted - ever or for awhile - it can be harder to “gear up and go.” I taught at the community college for a few classes and gave an assignment that involved going by the local law libary and getting some info. Horrid response. I had done something similar with students in a class at a private university - great response.
I didn’t believe there was that much intrinsic difference in abilities - so I decided this was my failure and redid the whole thing. I called the law librarian to block time, I sat down with the students in groups of 2-4 to make sure everyone had a way to get their, and we met together, I escorted them, introduced them to the law librarian - spent time with each one of them actually physically walking them through parts of their assignments etc.
What was easy to see was an initial sense of unease. THey weren’t comfortable with the building (courts building) and didn’t feel like they had the same right to be there as anyone else. By contrast the private Uni kids had no such qualms. Once they had the walk through, though, I was able to give another “on your own” assignment and they did great. Getting a familiarity and having a group to work with initially sure seemed to help.
If only there were some way to get, say, a group of liberal guys, to go places where single women hang out…
Seriously, I find it hard to believe that there aren’t major marketing firms out there who haven’t cracked the case of how to reach single women. There have to be some liberal activists in those firms who would be willing to share those secrets for the right reasons.
Yeah Mary! It’s your first post, isn’t it?
I’ve thought for a long time that you should be doing posts. You’re my favorite commenter!
This is not a problem we are going to “solve” by August or November, but this post really helps us ask better questions. The question for 06 candidates is, “Where will the dollars allocated for “get out the vote,” be best invested in my district for this election?”
These posts help candidates ask those questions better.
It would also help if the National Democratic organizations could monitor what works and what does not work by district in preparation for 2008.
If anyone knows of any, “get out the vote” efforts that were successful, that would help too. What would also be nice is if the national Democratic committees were prototyping some “get out the vote” strategy for each of the individual demographics mentioned in this post in at least one district. I doubt they are. To really do it right is very expensive, because good measurement, costs a lot of money and that is not the only expense. My guess is Rove has a lot of inverse data on this wrt “suppress the vote” reasearch. Wingnut 501(c)3’s flush with laundered cash from all the proceeds of K Street, probably gave it to him, broken out by district at no charge.
I know in MS, the Republicans use the old Klan network.
Riesz Fischer @ 2:23 pm (#20) - I’ll second that. Good article.
One of the entries in Fifty Simple Things, I believe, is about supporting the YMCA/YWCA, because one of the reasons for the growth of the megachurches is that there are no other social organizations in may places that people can participate in. (I found that stunning.)
I’m thinking that on a smaller scale, block parties and neighborhood social events could be a good way to provide roots to the rootless. While there’s a significant time commitment for the organizers, there doesn’t have to be for participants. They don’t require transportation, can be kid-friendly, etc. They don’t have to be overtly political, but they provide a venue for helping people become informed enough to feel comfortable voting, talking about registering, and so forth. As for encouraging people to register, I’m not so much thinking of having forms out and pushing it, but rather being excited about participating, and providing a role model.
Guess I should get to work organizing that block party I’ve had in the back of my mind every summer for the past five years…
As Cujo359 says, “Perhaps not surprisingly, the only age group more underrepresented in voting turnout than young women is young men.” This reminded me how surprised I was to learn, I believe, that women under age 25 make up the largest segment of the audience for Desperate Housewives followed by young men of the same age group. When the storylines of shows like Desperate Housewives and daily soaps take on issues, the young group tends to get it. Young unemployed or working, single mothers may not have a computer, internet access or belong to social groups, but many get ALL their information from these types of shows — if the message was scripted there, they’d understand it and be able to relate it to their situation — and have reason to vote. IMO.
Mary, so glad to see you make your front-page debut, and with such an excellent post (no surprise). I hope this thread will give us some good ideas about how to reach this large group of non-voters. We talked about this at our Sacramento Roots gathering the other night, but had no solutions.
Thanks so much Riesz. This had me very nervous bc it’s not a lot snarking or having fun or even something I knew anything about - more “serious” stuff where I am more comfortable listening to someone like Rayne and saying — hey, yeah, what she said!
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Cujo - Indiana has a photo id requirement. First, factor in that unmarried men and women use the internet less than many groups (although it seems probably the younger, the more likely?).
So to even get the info, they need to call (have you called a local DMV - it’s not easy to even get someone to speak with you here at least - very long holds, then they really don’t want to answer questions - just tell you to come down).
Then go down to the DMV (remember they are less likely to have vehicles and child care). Once there, they will find out what they would have found from clicking through this at the Secretary of State:
http://www.in.gov/sos/photoid/checklist.html
That’s the necessary documentation checklist. Scroll all through it and imagine for a first time voter how daunting that might be.
I don’t know about photo ids in general. Whether they serve a really valid place in our terrorism, keep the vote clean, immigration, carding, etc. arenas or not - I don’t know. But I do think that a lot of the unregistered, unmarried demographics are going to be intimidated by those kinds of requirements and it seems the party should be gearing up NOW to help people through this. It is going to be much more prevelant by 2008 unless someone gets a very fast strikedown in the courts.
John Casper at 21: The Young Democrats had a booklet they gave out at YearlyKos, which is available as a PDF that has a lot of the kind of information you’re talking about. It was especially refreshing because it talks about GOTV strategies (like text-messaging reminders) that were tried but didn’t work, so it’s not just a cheerleading pamphlet.
Thanks, Mary. You may be right about the undead not voting, but the dead dead have had a very high turnout in some past elections. In Chicago, I believe the motto was “vote early, vote often, vote from the grave.” But I digress.
I agree that some additional demographic breakdown would be helpful, and I hope someone out there is doing it. Any halfway decent advertising agency can then tell us where the ads should go. But there are two problems here. One is communicating the “how” of participation to those who would like to, but can’t manage the logistics or are afraid of the process. The other is communicating the “why.” With unamarried Hispanic women, the immigration issue may provide the “why” and Spanish language TV or radio may also help out with the “how.” For unmarried men and women over 40, might I suggest that a huge “why” might be decent and affordable nursing home care? Or long term care insurance for themselves? Who is going to take care of thier aging parents when the time comes? Who is going to take care of them? Just a thought.
P.S. Did the barn kitty come out?
Piggybanking on RedShift about YMWCA, in African American communities, the local Churches are the backbone of the get out the vote. IIRC, that’s where Ed Rollins paid cash to suppress the vote that led to Christine Todd Whitmann’s victory in NJ. If Ed had kept his mouth shut about it, we wouldn’t know so much and he would still be in demand as consultant to GOP campaigns.
A lot of times, you are dealing with “shame” issues. These people are not ashamed to vote. They don’t want to put themselves out in public , at a bus stop for example. Will they have presentable clothes? If there’s lightning in the forecast, forget it.
Hi Mary. It’s nice to see you posting. I have been involved with voter registration and GOTV efforts for 30 years, although not so much recently. I am planning to get back into it this fall.
I don’t know any secrets for getting unmarried women or unmarried men or any other group registered and to the polls and voting for your candidates. I think what works best is to be a part of an organized effort where you target certain precincts for VR because the numbers tell you they’re more likely to vote Democratic.
You do the same thing with GOTV, only this time you don’t knock on every door, you knock or call those who are registered Democratic or who have been determined by canvassing to be likely to vote Democratic.
It helps to have a specific, attractive candidate you can talk about so if they get interested in voting for that candidate, they will have more of an incentive to register and go to the polls. It helps to talk about local issues.
Beyond that, it just takes a lot of work. But it can be very rewarding, especially if we succeed in liberating the Congress this year. Maybe the netroots can bring new energy to the process in ways that have yet to be explored.
Thanks for posting.
Mary @ 2:33 pm (#26) - I agree it’s a pain. I went through it twice, once where I grew up in PA and then when I moved out here. Thankfully, it’s a pain you only have to go through once per state, and maybe the new state will accept the old ID as a “primary” document.
That’s one of the reasons I wrote what I did earlier. It’s not easy to get involved. People need motivation, and fear of being killed in some mindless neocon social experiment might be a good one to consider using.
Mary…thanks for this post. It’s about time your excellent comments get front paged.
On the subject of absentee voting, due to a frequently wacky schedule, I’ve voted absentee for over ten years. The experience feels like the difference between a pop quiz and a take home test. My wife and I spend election eve scouring the voter’s guide, candidate web pages, and whatever mailings we’ve received. It’s particularly helpful for locals races and primaries when the differences between candidates may not be as obvious as national races.
Anything we can do to make the voting process less intimidating and time consuming has to help recruit young unmarrieds. Does anyone know if voter registration drives can offer absentee options when you register or if you have to be registered before you can request an absentee ballot? If it’s the latter, it seems like a logical follow-up to a registration drive would be to mail absentee voter applications.
neuro - how do you do GOTV? I guess on the one had there is simple registration, but now it seems that may more and more also involve needing to educate people on the photoID requirments? Does anyone put out good info on that?
Do you organize through local branches of the party? Are there some liability issues that are raised by, for example, providing transportation, that are accomodated by working through the party (e.g., insurance)?
I had a similar take to Curious - would story lines help? VRNs?
I don’t guess you can offer a raffle drawing or lotto tickets can you? *G* It’s late for it now - but what about county fairs for registration? Pony rides for the kids while you register? ;) Wrong demos?
Malls? Parks? Grocery Stores? Parking lots? v. neighborhood canvassing?
“There’s another one in Cleveland. . . “
The flip side of this is that we’re talking about a part of America that we saw in Katrina and the Republicans want to ignore. The problem is these demographics only get more “expensive” as they grow older. FDR understood the danger of a huge, unemployed underclass. Every day someone does not work, they become that much more unemployable. That increases the chances of substance abuse, incarceration, and bankruptcy. Putting people in jail is extremely expensive, (even if you’re not torturing them).
We’re asking questions about these demographics in terms of GOTV. Johnson’s Great Society/War on Poverty, programs were aimed at the identical demographics. They did not really survive, but at least he tried something. You are not going to “save” everyone, but the State/taxpayers have a very legitimate interest in making available job skills to everyone via ongoing education and starter jobs with which to give them experience.
RANT WARNING
The problem is that a lot of those job training programs do not screen for learning disabilities and IQ. You have to “qualify” someone before you invest money in job training skills and you have to “place” them in an environment that is appropriate to their skills.
END OF RANT.
RBG, it varies from state to state. Here in Cali, a first-time registrant (or re-registrant) can simultaneously sign up to be a permanent absentee voter by checking an additional box on the form (this is a recent change). There are also separate forms to allow already-registered voters to become absentee voters.
BarbB - “For unmarried men and women over 40, might I suggest that a huge “why” might be decent and affordable nursing home care? “
That’s a definite thought. The existing report indicates that unmarried women worry about health care issues more than men, but if you broke it down even further by age — that has to be something in the back of minds. Of course, I expect my nieces and nephews to fight over me. LOL
(Abandoned kitty wasn’t grabbed when I typed that, but has been now. I suppose it’s pointless to ask if anyone wants a kitten?)
Afternoon. let’s see….actually, I was the one on the prior thread who came up with the idea of hitting the women’s hair salons. Those of you somewhat familiar with me already know that I personally “don’t do” hair salons. (chuckle). So I’ll leave the mechanics of all that up to others. And, a bunch of unmarried guys don’t vote? Well, well. Of course, any GOTV must start with….REGISTRATION. So, here’s some ideas:
1. Bars! I’m totally serious. Guys go to bars! hell, I’ll be down at my own watering hole later tonight. Now, passing out registration forms may/may not work. How about…leaving several stacks of those things on the bar! You know, like in some bars they’ll have the ash trays or the bowls of nuts sitting around? Make friends with the bartender, and get his permission to leave stacks of registration cards. You got folks coming in/out of bars all day and all night long. Next….bar parking lots!
2. Parking lots: how many times have you left a nightclub, walked out to your car, and there’s some damn leaflet on your windshield? Well? I always throw it away…but I always read it! How about if you left registration paper on the windshields? Is it valet parking? Hell…I know several valet guys. Slip ‘em a twenty, tell them what you’re doing…and the parking lot is yours.
3. Stadium parking lots: same as bar parking lots. You might have to duck stadium security…but worth a shot.
GOTV: I still think, pretty much, that absentee ballots are the way to go. In Texas, you still have to travel to the absentee place to vote. Well…perhaps, as election nears, you can do all of the above, except substitute maps/hours of absentee locations instead of registration forms.
Ok, I gotta scoot. A few errands to run, and now I’ve remembered to cruise to the liquor store…they’re not open on Sundays down here!
Ghostman
Mary @ 2:50 pm (#32) - Grocery stores might be a good idea. Everybody has to go to them, except maybe Lorelai Gilmore. Guess it would depend on whether the stores could spare the space. Lots of urban grocery stores aren’t flush with it.
in Indiana, both parties traditionally work the county fairs. I don’t believe ‘prizes’ or inducements can be given for registering… there’s a supermarket around the corner from my house that I always work for voters registration. Folk come there from 5 or 6 precincts …
Great post, Mary - so glad to see you in that role - you truly deserve it!
Read today that Voter ID cards were struck down in Georgia, thoughthe state expects to appeal that decision. I find it antithetical to the elctoral process to be putting more barriers in place to increasing voter turnout. Once again, I just don’t get it.
I wonder about voter education programs that could start in the elementary schools, encourage parental participation, which then might increase registration of the parents. By the time these programs work their way up to the high schools, it would be a snap to register kids who will be 18 by the time of the general election.
I wonder sometimes, about whether there could be a system that allowed registration portability, to overcome the problems with registration for those who move around a lot. Presentation of a valid voter registration card, and proof of current residence should be all people need to vote.
More same-day registration should be instituted, so that if you can get someone to the polls, it’s easy to register and then vote.
Day care should be provided at every polling place.
Early voting should be a given.
Voting by mail should be an option.
Would like to see some uniformity in voting regulations, as I think the more differences there are, the harder it is to accommodate a transient population.
Anyway - those are my 2 cents worth.
Again - great post, Mary!
about registering in and around bars: GLBT organizations do voter registration/education there every election cycle …
Mary at 2:55
Jesus’ General is a bad option today as far as kittens are concerned:
“Liveblogging kittybirth
It’s 2:47 AM, and we have two new kittens and probably more on the way. Mrs. (I refuse to even entertain the idea that she might be unmarried) Cat, or more appropriately, Oftom, is hiding under the bed. Ofjoshua and JC II are freaking out. The former has her incredibly beautiful head wedged under the bed, talking to Oftom, and the latter is running around with a cardboard box (because kittens must be placed in a carboard box–it’s the law or something). I’ve been tasked with finding kittybirthing info on the web, because we don’t know nuthin ’bout birthin’ no kitties.
Update: We have a third kitten. Check that. Now there are four. My suggestions for names are:
Short-Term Visitor,
Gone When Weaned,
Don’t Get Attached,
and
God Dammit, I Hope This Is the Last One
Ofjoshua isn’t too thrilled with my suggestions. Neither is JC II. His picks are Itsy, Bitsy, Eenie, and Meanie”
I thought the comments were worth a look.
I was under the impression that registration is the easy part of the equation. Actually getting singles to the polls (especially single moms, with all their responsibilities) is the hard part. Am I wrong?
RBG - I think the absentee issue could be very interestings. Some States have some requirements including certifying that you are going to be out of state at the time of the vote, and some are really loose.
Getting more accomodating mail-in voting laws in states where it is harder to vote absentee could really be a help. We’ve seen the “blue” state legislature, etc. that still votes red for Pres/Senate etc. One thing those legislatures could do that doesn’t involve gerrymandering is make it easier to get registered and vote. At least, it strikes
me that way.
Local DFA groups have done voter registration and petition drives at tables in front of grocery stores (just like girl scouts selling cookies.) Just ask the manager, and respect their decision if they say no. (Which, unfortunately, the manager of the store I go to said when I asked.)
Of course, you can’t just sit there, you have to try to engage people — thinking about that, I suddenly got this idea of standing out with a bell like the Salvation Army, ringing it like a town crier and saying “Register to Vote!” :-)
Here in Texas, high schools distribute Voter Registration cards to students on their birthdays — the problem here is getting the young to care about an issue so they vote. Registration cards are also readily available at grocery stores, libraries, etc.
Dover, great point.
IMO registration is the first part of the equation. Once they are registered, after the election, the party can determine if they voted.
Cross referencing 2004 registration lists with 2004 voting records might be a very good way to identify “low hanging fruit” in 2006, especially if they are still at the same address. I am assuming that this information is available at the precinct level?
At long last, Mary has been chosen from the FDL ranks and now formally joins The League of Extraordinary Commenters! It’s great to be here for your front-page coming-out party!!
I want to follow up on your post #18, because I think you’ve come a long way already.
Just as you did for your community college students, let’s think through the process that an individual in one of these groups would have to go through to move from non-voter to participant.
The rootlessness mentioned might apply to motivation (i.e. “will do” factors), but there are plenty of barriers such as transportation or child care (”can do” factors) that can be worked on, too. No doubt for a lot of people, the problems with can-do’s and will-do’s feed on each other to a default of uninvolvement.
Please allow me to confess a bias: the usual tendency is to think and plan for the worst case, and that can get very discouraging very quickly. But there have to be people on the edge who’d vote if only one or two barriers were removed, or with just a little motivation. Experience in the commercial world teaches that the place to start is with the easiest potentials first.
Everybody connects somewhere, and if the party can’t add much in the way of resources, how about some viral marketing? Engage some singles you know in conversation over the topic, see how their needs could be addressed, and then ask them to draw in their single friends. Then you can try to work a more organized response through the local party apparatus.
Once you have some experience with easier to reach people, you could begin to work toward more difficult ones. Hey, getting only 10% of single women non-voters could completely change the face of a national election, so you don’t need to approach perfection, right?
to heck with respecting the opinion of the manager of a grocery store! go above his head to corporate headquarters! also make sure you are indeed talking to the manager of the grocery store, not some mere flunky covering the desk that moment.
i had a new manager at my local Krogers who wasnt going to let me do registration — I happened to recall the name of the Kroger lobbyist at the Statehouse so I dropped that name on the new manager — he did an about-face and let me register my folk … grocery stores dont want to inconvenience their customers but if you are ‘respectable’ Democrats, they have to play ‘corporate good citizens’
Mary @ 3:03 pm (#44) - King County is considering going to all mail-in voting. I wonder how well that will work, considering the size of the district. It does make you wonder about those ID requirements, though, doesn’t it? Do I have to mail a copy of my driver’s license with my ballot?
Virginia has actually done pretty well with IDs for voting — you can use your voter registration card, social security card, any government-issued ID, and several other options. If you don’t have ID with you, you can still sign a statement affirming that your identity and vote.
Comparing this to the invalidated Georgia plan provides a pretty clear example of the difference between verifying identity and attempting to suppress the vote.
Thanks, LeslieCA, Ghostman, and Mary. In WA state, there’s no need to claim you’re out of state on election day and you can either mail your absentee ballot or deliver it to the regular polling place on election day.
Also, 30 states require some form of employment leave in order to vote.
http://www.timetovote.net/voter_leave_laws.html
I can’t imagine many people actually tell the boss they’re taking time off to vote, but at least the laws support their efforts.
Just my $.02, but I hate being hit up to sign a petition or listen to any kind of activists at the grocery store. When I go there, it’s not to socialize. I just try to remember what I’m supposed to bring home and get out of there. People supporting causes have a much better chance of getting my attention elsewhere.
*ilson - what’s a GLBT organization? Remember - I thougth GOTV was a an espan spinoff with horseracing.
I think bars might be a pretty good idea.
Also, maybe softball leagues tournaments?
I haven’t seen the parties pushing voter registration at the Vand Co fair - are they out more during the day than at night?
I’m gathering that I can’t give the kitten as a registration prize, eh? *s*
Getting out the vote seems to have some discreeet elements 1) simple registration, 2) obtaining photo ids if needed and/or making people comfortable that they know they have what they need to vote if they show up, 3)getting registered voters to actually vote - either getting them to the polls (transportation) working with mail-in voting if possible, providing child care assistance, providing moral support of going in groups to vote,etc.
That last part is where churches do have a built in advantage.
I agree with Anne - if you could have child care at polling places, early voting and mail in standard, and more uniformity - it would be fantastic.
I’d add use of public transport on a shuttle basis as something to think about.
States rights means all that is up for grabs.
Then there’s 4 - getting them to feel that it is worth going to vote. When Dems get sucked in to responding on moral values and terrorism — they seem set to lose the motivation for unmarried men and women who think things are going wrong in this country - but who are not nearly as concerned about terrorism and morals as they are about the war and jobs/economy.
Cujo359 at 50 — In VA, you have to mail in a copy of your ID if you register by mail, or have it the first time you vote. I would think ID at registration would be sufficient for mail-in voting. Consider: showing an ID at the polling place grants you a ballot, so it’s the same thing as being mailed a ballot if you’re registered, arguably.
Indiana is firmly in the voter suppression camp! They were turning away military folk whose ID had no expiration date (not veteran-friendly, eh?)
Of course, theres the classical case this spring of our Congresswoman who has been voting at the same place for 35 years. Live TV cameras covered Julia’s “first vote of the day” as she presented her official Congressional ID card. There on TV the clerk refused to accept it since it didnt have an expiration date! The supervisor rushed over and observed it was for the 109th Congress so he allowed it. If a well-known Congresscritter can barely vote, it dont look good for others …
If the hair salon concept refers to working with stylists to reach woman, that’s a great idea. Stlylists, barbers and bartenders are key communicators in communities. If you want to know what’s the local word on the street is, chances are all three will know.
GLBT= gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered —- some folk add a Q for queer too ….
I work in a large law firm that regularly invites candidates in to speak to the lawyers - presumably because they see the lawyers as the most likely source for contributions - and because - like lobbying firms - law firms like to spread their contributions around to make sure that no matter who wins, they have the bases covered. We just had a candidate for attorney general of MD come and speak on Wednesday.
What I plan to do is suggest to the executive committee that these meet and greet sessions be opened up to all the firm’s employees, on the basis that making a connection to a candidate is an important part of increasing voter turnout. I will also suggest that voter registration material be provided at all of these visits. And finally, I will find out which other candidates are planning to visit, and suggest to the campaign people that they request a firm-wide event, not lawyers only.
It can be tough breaking through the class structure that is part and parcel of law firm culture, but it’s well worth the effort, in my opinion. What especially irks me is the assumption that a non-lawyer does not have money to contribute to a campaign.
A bit more on viral approaches: clearly the Iraq war (and maybe the Iran war, too, shortly) and economic issues (jobs, anyone) are the leaders. Fortunately, these are topics that can arise spontaneously or without much prodding.
From there, it should be easy to probe if the single will be voting on those issues at the next election, and if not, why not. If any desire for change is there at all, it should be a case of tying voting to change, and then sorting logistics of registration/voting. It takes time, but not a lot of money.
As opposed to registration, Virginia is relatively restrictive with absentee ballots. There are a number of specific reasons for which an absentee ballot is allowed, and efforts to open that up have not succeeded yet. (On the other hand, nobody actually checks if you’re actually stuck at work during poll hours, for example.) We’ve recently starting having “absentee in person” voting (at least in our area) for several weeks before the primary or election, using regular voting machines but at fewer locations. You can avoid the lines and vote on a non-workday (such as Saturday), but since it’s technically still absentee voting, you still have to sign saying one of the absentee reasons applies. It’s kind of bizarre.
RBG @ 3:16 pm (#52) - I can’t imagine many people actually tell the boss they’re taking time off to vote, but at least the laws support their efforts.
One good thing about the defense industry is that few bosses ever thought that was a feeble excuse. I ducked out early or arrived late, as had many of my coworkers, on election day to get to vote. Lots of folks wore their “I Voted” stickers to work. Many of the people I worked with had served in the military, and they were keenly aware of what the right to vote costs.
Since Peterr’s not here (apparently), what about pastors of left-leaning congregations? They’ll probably know about disadvantaged parishoners and might be sponsoring church affiliated singles groups.
Um, correcting my earlier comment (#4) re: targeting unregistered voters. Color me embarrassed. The post I read was from this very site! …written by Oilfieldguy. To further compound my embarrassment, the title of the post was “In search of single women.” And it wasn’t an excerpt from DailyKos, it was from truthout
I worked a registration table at my local farmers market in ‘04 and I felt it was a prime spot. People were relaxed on a Sunday afternoon and I was so pleased that so many gathered around to talk, even the ones who were already registered to vote.
Of course, I’m in the bluest area of a blue state, and the anti-Bush sentiment was running high. The whole experience was energizing.
But I do agree with DB above, if you’re running into the post office, or doing errands mid-week, it’s not the best way to engage.
Indiana has very lax absentee voting laws in terms of ‘excuses’. 30 days before the election you can go downtown and vote in person. if you are ‘bedridden’ they’ll send a team out to vote you. you can request to vote by mail but you have to apply using a special form.
if you are locked up in jail and havent been convicted, you can register and vote absentee. I’ve done voter registration in the county jail, its weird !
P.S. I wasn’t, of course, working an “anti-Bush” registration booth, it just headed in that direction, er, organically. heh.
Piggybacking on al-Scooter:
This is probably really crude, but I’ll bring it up, because the stakes are so high and the time so short.
Since the WaPo’s Debbie
nobody can say fuck except meHowell said that the Armed Forces drew from a wide demographic, I am willing to bet everything I own that she was wrong. I would urge all Dem candidates to cull the names of the dead, wounded, and serving in Iraq/Afghanistan from their district. I suspect a relatively high percentage of these people and their families will know a lot of men and women in this GOTV demograhic. Perhaps the candidate can invite them in for a chat. Are they supporting him/her? If yes, would they be interested in getting involved in the candidate’s GOTV activities (or anything else?). OT,if they support the candidate, would they be willing to talk to the local media about their support and their GOTV activities.I really like the idea of getting voter registration info onto daytime TV. That sounds like an issue Oprah might well want to get behind. And if not actually written into the plots of the soaps, then at least PSA-type spots during the commercial breaks.
Mary,
Wonderful post. Thank you. You’ve lured me out of lurkerhood to offer my personal POV on GOTV of unmarried/undead:
(and sort of response to Dover @ 3:01)
I’m unmarried. Not only “un” but “never”. But I’ve voted consistently since 1976. Why? What in my history compels me to vote when evidently millions of unmarrieds don’t?
I was taught that voting is a civic responsbility, meaning my personal responsibility to my fellow citizens. Not to the government, not to those in power, but to my fellow Americans. I would no more NOT vote than I would knock over the corner 7-11. Should I assume that those who don’t vote did not receive the same lessons that I did? Or perhaps they did but labeled with a lower priority.
Registration IS the easy part. Not that it’s easy, but relative to getting voters to the correct polling station on the correct day and within the allotted time, registration is easy. Voting is inconvenient - at least it is in my state, unless one knows about and proactively requests an absentee ballot.
We can brainstorm GOTV tactics till the cows come home. Ways to lessen the inconvenience of voting, ease the pain of casting a ballot. Things like free transporation to polling places (show your Voter Reg to the bus driver), door-to-door canvassing (OFG has described his efforts at one-to-one communication/education), working the bars, salons, etc.
But it’s all about motivation, IMHO. As Rover has proven, fear is the greatest motivator of all - legions of the faithful will swarm to the polls to cast out the illegal, gay, flag-burning immigrants. If I were a rat-fucking Rovian working for a Dem, I would swift-boat the opponent with a whisper campaign full of falsehoods about his/her opposition to birth control, to employer-paid health care, to immoral TV programs like Desperate Housewives and Elimidate. Shit, I’d probably throw in prohibition too.
Alas, I’m not a rat-fucker. But I am warming up to reward/punishment for voting: Either a fine for not voting or a tax rebate for voting. Or something like that. And then I’d add in free childcare at the polling stations. And maybe free lemonade and cookies.
Thanks Mary. All of the various FDL voices wishing to see your work have had that wish fulfilled. Including mine.
Great research and commentary; I’d say this opened up a lot of eyes around here. I know it has mine.
Appreciate the time and effort. Hope to see more (at your convenience, of course.)
Again, thanks for putting this together for the FDL folks.
al-scooter 49 WHOA. Do you do marketing stuff? The can do/will do breakdown is really a great, simplified KISS way to look at it, and the “edge” concept of those who only need one set of barriers down.
Thanks *lson.
Millineryman - that was the concept. Ghostman brought it up and a couple of people ran with it and it seems really a possiblity. They talked about registration and the “community” sense and encouragment and also providing voting info - about candidates and positions etc. too.
“Shit, I’d probably throw in prohibition too.”
LMAO.
Mary, thank you so much. And your comment at 18 is exactly what I think some of my neighbors felt when they were anxious about voting unless I went with them.
The lack of transportation is a huge problem. To get a photo ID in Ohio you have to go to the License Bureau, and take a number. How long is the wait? Who knows? If you have a job, or kids, this is a burden.
Your Oprah idea is GOLD. In fact, what if she gave out pins for everyone who voted, and had a few first-time voters on her show? Oprah, you reading?
The soap opera idea–wonderful.
Ads should be placed in laundromats and WIC and county health clinics and welfare offices.
One framework for talking about economic, healthcare and workplace issues is “you’re on your own” vs. the common good. The modern right-wing agenda is all about creating a “you’re on your own” society, cutting off any government action that supports people and evens out the uncertainties of making a living, claiming that everyone then gets what they deserve from their own efforts (as if their fatcats actually “deserve” what they’ve got!)
Universal healthcare, the minimum wage, work stability, these all serve the common good, the idea that we all deserve to be able to make a decent living, have time to spend with our families, and not worry every minute about whether we’ll have a job or if we can afford to get that toothache treated.
So if people need motivation, talk to them about the reasons they don’t have time learn how to register and vote, because it didn’t just happen. It’s this way because there are people who care about “the economy” and the CEOs and big businesses, not the people and the small businesses. And they’re running the show until people who think that’s wrong throw them out.
And, I’d say, if they think there’s no difference between the two parties, point out that one party tries to pass a minimum wage increase every year, one party tried to pass universal healthcare. And yes, there are some Democrats who aren’t great on these things, but if people who disagree vote, they’ll either have to change their tune or be replaced.
Mary #73:
Guilty as charged. Now in my 34th year of same. I’m so glad I was able to contribute! Please advise if you have more questions. Mods have my e-mail.
And congratulations on hitting your first pitch for a home run!!
Margot - I remember your comment about that - it really stuck in my mind. Giving someone confidence to do by being there for them. Taking the anxiety out of the process - it was a great comment.
I guess Jane’s going to have to make a stop on the Oprah show.
Great post, Mary.
Making registration to vote difficult is a Republican tactic to depress voter turnout and magnify the power of their base. They say they want to reduce voter fraud. Fraud, Republican, see the problem with that argument?
Another aspect of this is holding elections on a working Tuesday. In many, many countries, voting takes place on the weekend. We could do this or just make voting day a national holiday. I mean if we’re serious about our democracy, would it be asking that much to have one day once a year or possibly once every two years to support it? I thought not but I don’t expect it to happen either.
Cujo—excellent point. My comment was intended more for those with less enlightened employers…which is where I’d guess the “young unmarried” are more likely to be working.
Thinking about it a little further…another approach would be to push employers to encourage their employees to register. As long as the effort is non-partisan, and they offer no inducement, every employer should be grateful to have such good citizens as employees. In fact, they should be shamed if they’re reaping the benefits of our capitalist system without allowing their employees a voice in that system.
Okay - so there’s tons of